A Fortunate Point

Online Ed: Arsenal get more than they deserve at St Mary’s



A Fortunate Point


On the balance of play and chances created, Arsenal were fortunate to get a point against Southampton. By the end of the evening, it felt more like a point gained than two lost. However, before kick off, this was viewed as a game the Gunners had to win if their title credentials were serious.

In fairness, Manchester City only took a point here, although both Chelsea and Spurs managed to win. Perhaps the fact that Southampton have only won two of their last eleven league games was the one that created pre-match belief that Arsenal should win here.

In the first half, they might as well have stayed in the dressing room. Towards the end of the 45 minutes, a chance was cleared off the line, but before that, the home team could have wrapped the game up, so many good chances did they carve out. Arsenal’s full backs were having a nightmare and at times, Mario Pochettino’s were cutting their opponents apart with ease. There seemed a real lack of quality in the passing play of Wenger’s team. Additionally, the midfield axis of Flamini and Arteta neither seemed to help much defensively nor offer any support to the attack.

Still, at least they bucked their ideas up in the second half, with two quick goals, courtesy of Giroud and Cazorla, before committing the cardinal sin of switching off and allowing Southampton an equalizer almost immediately after going 2-1 up. Where did the organized, thou shalt not pass defensive discipline go? Szczesny made a series of excellent saves and was probably Arsenal’s best player.

In some senses, it reminded one of the Everton game in London. A team faced Arsenal and played them at their own game, and looked better at it. At St Mary’s the weather was foul and the pitch slippy, but it did not stop the home team playing some pretty decent football.

There were some Arsenal fans in one of the corporate boxes directly above the home support on one side. There were plenty of exchanges between them and the supporters in the ordinary seats below as the Arsenal goals went in, swiftly followed by the equalizer. At that point, it was literally a case of get back in your box as the police ordered them inside. I am guessing they were moved elsewhere as they did not re-appear by the window to watch the game and the light in the box was turned out.

When Mathieu Flamini committed a two-footed tackle and was red carded (no questioning his commitment, although questions could be asked about his judgment), with ten minutes left, Arsene Wenger went for the draw by swapping Cazorla for Kieran Gibbs. Up until that point, the second half had been fairly equal. Arsenal had looked set to dominate at the point they went ahead, but failed to consolidate.

The team have had blips before and recovered – Villa at home, Manchester United away, Man City away. Was this just another bad day at the office? Can they go on another winning run? What can explain the poverty of performance in the opening 45 minutes?

Questions, questions. But for now, the most pertinent one is whether or not the club are going to invest in any new arrivals to strengthen the squad by the end of the week…

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  1. BADARSE

    Feb 01, 2014, 10:40 #44962

    Radfordkennedy I don't know who Claudia Winkleman is, but I do remember Olive from On the Buses. I take it you are disappointed pal. We achieved my expectations, low it's true, but realistic. You've not seen nothing like the mighty Kim! Deep intake of breath, sleeves rolled up, let's give it a go.

  2. radfordkennedy

    Feb 01, 2014, 10:08 #44950

    I feel like I was promised a date with claudia winkleman only when my date turned up it was olive from 'on the buses'

  3. Ron

    Feb 01, 2014, 9:45 #44948

    DW - Yes i know what you mean mate. I think Arsenal as Club are caught between 2 stools ie to retain old ideals and traditions as you say or to play to the same rules as Chelsea and City etc albeit at a lesser stake. They've opted for the comfortable option ie to stick with what they know and what they are. This is actually fine by me, but its the dishonesty of the Club now that irks. They want to appear to want to grow and compete properly for the top prizes but actually know they dont want too. They like to look the part of a potentially top euro Club ie the stadium and the odd Ozil type buy every few years, but ensure the bar isn't raised too high. Footie fans live and thrive on hope and loyalty and the Club as a result creates an illusion that they have the same desire as the fans. The truth is that top 4 is it. That club as it is, has no interest in anything else. It knows its level and likes it as it makes a pot of money after all. Their real let down for me is they lack the guts to tell the fans what they are and how it is, like other clubs lower down the food chain do. While the fans keep coughing up like lemons, nothing will alter there. The Clubs laughing at them that do. BARD - Seconded! Youre right mate.

  4. Bard

    Feb 01, 2014, 8:48 #44947

    Ron; you're too cynical mate. Smoke and mirrors suggests guile and forethought. My take is rank incompetence. They couldn't even get a loan deal done for Klose. What our lack of activity does make absolutely clear is that Wenger has no intention of giving the title a real go. We're back to securing 4th as the limit of our ambition. On the top of a price increase and another contract for Wenger it's a disgrace. I wonder whether the fan unrest will resurface again.

  5. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    Feb 01, 2014, 8:09 #44946

    Ronaldo. They were looking. They are just not up to it. Whether you are right or I am, they are a disaster.G

  6. DW Thomas

    Feb 01, 2014, 0:06 #44945

    Ron, I agree, winning takes some luck, but a wise old man once told me luck,is when preparation meets opportunity! My point on Chelsea was that they beat two far superior teams, Barca and Bayern in two very lucky games. If Robben makes that penalty, there's no chance they come back. Get your argument though, yet I am not much for luck. Agree wholeheartedly with your view on the 06 Final. Wenger was found out in that game, bad or little preparation for that game and the opportunity was lost. Can't say I'd ever refer to John Terry et al as a tiger either, but I get that point too. I look at it as more of a money wins you things these days. Combine that with luck and there you go. I viewcArsenal as an honorable team and club, with rich traditions. Maybe that type of team rarely wins much anymore, least in England. It's buy buy buy to win. Would like a top striker though, but doesn't look like it.

  7. Ron

    Feb 01, 2014, 0:02 #44944

    Alsace - The only thing that surprises me mate is that you thought the Club were actually looking? its all smoke and mirrors. This Draxler stuff is more than likely more spin and charade just like the Higuain and Suarez sage s were. So many still fall for it though.

  8. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 31, 2014, 23:26 #44943

    BADSRSE, yes, i guess OGL agrees with you when you say coming first isn't everything.

  9. Alsace Lorraine de totteridge

    Jan 31, 2014, 21:42 #44940

    Failure to secure a journeyman striker to put a few crucial goals away is exactly the sort of season losing basic inadequacy we have come to associate with OGL and a poor support team. P45. For the lot of them and not just for this screw up now. Lack of depth is a long process and OGL has presided over all of it. Watch as the team break themselves to make up for the negligence of others ...again.

  10. BADARSE

    Jan 31, 2014, 21:32 #44939

    Well, there is your loan deal gentlemen. Kim Kallstrom, midfield cover.

  11. BADARSE

    Jan 31, 2014, 18:51 #44938

    Hi maguiresbridge. Well I am one of the others I guess. This is the sticking point that some cannot grasp, which is OK with me. I understand that some don't understand. You see I love to win, but, and this is where the tricky bit to understand comes in, I can live with defeat. I have done all my journey through life. Haven't we all? We shall all die some day, and that is one hell of a defeat. Just a snippet, in the'69 Final we peppered their goal and the clock ticked on. On one occasion Stroller just failed to get his toe to a cross inside the 6 yard box, with the keeper nowhere. I stamped down so hard in frustration that the shock waves reverberated up my spine and nearly took my head off. It was a cartoon sequence. I still suffer with back problems to this day. That was how badly I wanted the win. I won't claim maturity as the problem solver, I just became more philosophical over the years. I try to adopt a 'Arsenal winning is more important than life' approach. If/when we fail I try to trick my brain that it was just a game. It works in a way-perhaps because I am more gullible than others? Whatever the reason I mentally wipe my mouth, walk away and insist I shall try again. So you see I want to be first, but expect that others want that position too. Realistically we may be second, or third or fourth. Whatever happens I am prepared. The latter three positions will not mean my season was wasted. Coming first in football is not everything, as it isn't in anything else. It's pretty special I grant you that, the best for sure, but not quite everything. This is said with the deepest respect as I know others would have an opposite view.

  12. jeff wright

    Jan 31, 2014, 14:39 #44935

    Yes Ron I do believe ,judged on Wenger's own comments and squad building, that the CL is his main trophy aim - after paradoxically qualifying to play in it. Making sure of this is Wenger's foremost task every season - and he did once say that he would be very happy to finish second in the Prem for the next twenty years ! In reality he usually finishes 3rd or 4th. The reason he never finishes higher is because his teams always lack the strength in depth to see out a campaign over the whole course of one. If they start like a house on fire they tire by the end of March and if it's a slower start then they have too much ground to make up. We are always 3 top players short of a title. No different this season - and that was before the injuries kicked-in.

  13. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 31, 2014, 14:10 #44934

    DW Thomas, good shout yes winning is everything especially in football (although others would tell you different) coming 1st, not 2nd 3rd 4th, as I've said above you get nothing for coming 2nd there's no difference except maybe a better stat and i don't see them filling in the huge void where the honors are displayed, can you drink Champagne out of a stat? Although i'm surprised there's not a campaign to have medals struck. Yes all stops should be pulled to get us the only stat that matters 1st, winners, and we've found ourselves in a great position to do just that, the best position for a long time and if the manager doesn't take it it's negligence no matter how good the stats look.

  14. Ron

    Jan 31, 2014, 14:01 #44933

    Jeff - if youre saying that Wegers eyes are for the CL only and anything else is small beer, i agree.To give himself a chance, he needs to change and so do the Club. The set up and culture there wont win the CL. As a coach hes about philosophies and budgets and the Clubs mover and shakers are stuck in his thrall. Some thing as crude as 'winning' wont get a grip on his priorty of thought. His head's in the clouds (and often up his own rear end) too much to focus on getting Big Ears in his grasp.That team of today would need at least 6 possibly 7 top additions to win the CL.I dont think Wenger will ever win the CL and certainly not at Arsenal. You cd change the coach there and if the Board remained Wenger idealized, a new coach wdt win it either. To a lesser degree the same applies to winning the title. The best Wenger will get with his present ideas and player choices is a domestic Cup, the trouble there is that he thinks its beneath him, the players and the Club to go for one and so it runs, round and round and round like a carousel.

  15. jeff wright

    Jan 31, 2014, 13:54 #44932

    As the golf coaches say Ron ,the more you practice the luckier you become.

  16. Ron

    Jan 31, 2014, 13:44 #44931

    DW Thomas - Some good points but on the Chelsea point, can i just say that no team anywhere yet has ever won any Cup without some luck matey. Chelsea deserved the CL. They fought like tigers and coupled with the odd break here and there won it well. Like you perhaps, im of the view Arsenal should have been the first London Club to win the CL ideally, but with a far better team than Chelsea won it with, we werent good enough, neither was the Coach tactically aware enough. We also rode our luck to get to the Final in 06. Im no Chelsea admirer but to explain their CL win by luck alone is churlish, in fact just plain wrong really.

  17. jeff wright

    Jan 31, 2014, 11:53 #44929

    Badarse,I think you have summed up the situation at AFC rather well in your post . It's certainly been a game of two halves with Wenger the trophy hunter one at Highbury and the corporate book balancing financially motivated 4th place is now a trophy one at the Emirates. Wenger must a struck a deal with Diamond Danny on how things would be run and that's why Wenger and the odious CEO Gazdiz always sing from the same song-sheet and if on the odd occasion Wenger has gone off key then he has soon been reminded of that and quickly got back into tune. The deal done with Dan was passed onto to Dan's successor , the Glazer United admirer, Silent Stan . We have seen the same old leaked stories about supposed signings of a big name player popping up again in this window but this all looks unlikely with at least 4th place in the league secured and Wenger's already got this seasons CL money secured . Will he go for broke in the FAC tie V Liverpool is the question,because realistically this is our best chance of winning some silverware . Wenger's not hanging about though to re-win the last trophy that he won again - and we all know what it is that he really wants to win. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge if you have a spare pair of those LRT glasses that you wear can you send them to me !

  18. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    Jan 31, 2014, 10:59 #44928

    Dear Jeff Wright. Do you know, I fully realise that my new found faith in the team may be wholly and shamefully misplaced, but I do feel that something is a bit different this year. I do draw a distinction between OGL, who I would simply have sacked with extreme prejudice some time ago, and the team which has for the most part fought well and hard this season. I have enjoyed the games and looked forward to them and that hasn't happened for a very long time. I won't be giving you any b*ll*cks about cheering up or being optimistic or keeping the faith. Your expectation of doom is fully justified on past experience, but I don't quite feel that way this season.

  19. Man United Killer

    Jan 31, 2014, 10:40 #44927

    Let's not be disheartened about the transfer window and jump to conclusions yet. We need to seriously strengthen if we are to keep challenging but there's some ways to go in the market so let's give OGL the benefit of the doubt.

  20. Bard

    Jan 31, 2014, 8:24 #44926

    Chris; Im gutted Chris that you wouldnt want me next to you in a conflict. Maybe you'd prefer all those who look for excuses. You'll hear them by the bucketload in the next week or two from dodgy decisions, bent refs to obvious pens not awarded. Im neither optimistic nor pessimistic but to use a horse analogy so beloved on this site, I am not going to back a horse with a broken leg. Of course I hope we win the title but for the reasons I've outlined I don't think it will happen without reinforcements. Westie its a bit below the belt to start using arguments collated from books especially horse racing. Mine nearly always come from the Idiots guide to supporting a winning football club. Rule 1, a team is only as good as it's centre forward.

  21. BADARSE

    Jan 31, 2014, 7:50 #44924

    DW Thomas. Sadly, my friend we are all mugs now. Brand loyalty has been known of and proven over the years. The mum who swears by her washing powder, imprints an illogical view on her daughter and she buys. It is a time honoured piece of conditioning. Football clubs know this. They, including AFC, are run on these lines. We shall never forsake Arsenal, they know and play on this dilemma, so they have a captive audience. Winning is no longer the simplistic criterion for a manager. Viability, stability, high profile for sponsorship negotiations, advertising, rights to stadium naming and kit makers, all manner of merchandising, TV rights, turnover, and the holy grail in terms of continuity-CL qualification. Further down the list is winning a trophy to placate and pacify the natives. We are they. In these stakes, along with a consistently remarkable level of artistry on the pitch, aligned with a recognised brand of integrity makes Arsene Wenger the top manager around. Yet I wish it was as it used to be, but that regression is beyond my powers, so enjoy what you can as this and each successive season unfolds. Good old Arsenal.

  22. DW Thomas

    Jan 31, 2014, 1:08 #44923

    If profits is what Arsene's salary is calculated by, then yes maybe he is deserving. I however am of the reasoned conclusion that winning is the measure of a manager. Not sustainability. Sure, run the club right , with pride and honor, but lets be honest. In sports, winning is everything. The best teams do it with class. Some, like Chelsea in the CL, get incredibly lucky! If no good players are bought to push for the title this transfer market and we fail, it is the same s..t, different year! Stats mean little to me. Denilson had great stats and we won nothing with him! We are the best 4th place team of all time! So what? How depressing it is to me to be consistently so close and failing now going on 10 years. When we last won,lest we forget, we were invincible! All stops should be pulled to clear the hurdle of failure. Yet if profits are preferred to trophies, it aint gonna happen. And no amount of theorizing by anyone will win us the league. I do enjoy the banter on here though. I learn a lot by reading everyone's responses. We all want a league or CL trophy. Even the FA cup would be a start. Hope is a good thing. I just don't want to be taken for a mug anymore by our club. So I will hope with reservations.

  23. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 30, 2014, 22:26 #44922

    The only thing that should matter to any club and manager with ambition is if you finish 1st, not 2nd you get nothing for that (apart for more dough in the coffers for extra bonuses) only another invisible trophy and god knows we have enough of them to last a life time with our 3rd, and 4th, places over the last nine years, 2nd an improvement big deal does that mean we're going to finish 1st next season? does it hell. The only thing that counts/matters now is 1st place, Champions, players on the pitch with silverware above their head, no one remembers who's 2nd let alone 3rd, or 4th they're called losers. The only thing finishing 2nd will mean (no matter how much spin is put on it by Wenger and Ivan and all the rest )is another year of not winning the league and how many would that be? and if we fail in the two cup comps we're still left in that will be another season potless to go with all the rest. Nobody remembers losers.

  24. jeff wright

    Jan 30, 2014, 20:35 #44920

    Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge,surely 8 years without a trophy is all the motivation that our players should need and not the comments of a radio buffoon wind-up merchant ? Tbh I didn't see a lot of motivation the other night from them against Southampton - in fact it all looked rather dreary familiar deja vu past recent seasons . Avoiding injury and tiredness with the world cup awaiting the likes of Ozil will become a factor soon, once it becomes clear that the title challenge really is just another Wenger illusion ,with his annual tilt at the European Cup having been his main ambition all the time. Wenger has actually looked rather perplexed at times on finding himself in a position to challenge for the league - and his reticence to try and make a proper fist of it by signing a couple of top players in this window ,albeit if had really been serious even last summer, speaks volumes about it . A couple of squad players on loan could be signed before the window closes tomorrow night, but this will be too little too late .

  25. BADARSE

    Jan 30, 2014, 19:39 #44917

    Hello Joe Fitzpatrick. I haven't connected directly so a first. Thanks for your reasonable suggestion as an insight regarding value via wages earned. It would be a nice enough reason were it true. Sadly I doubt it as it's something I've often encountered. It's this 'heard it before, people have bought into the acceptance, so I can say it again'. It's a bit like the cowboy pushing the ladder away from the side of the fort with three crazed Indians on it. Impossible, but so well accepted any film maker can screen it with impunity. To evaluate a manager is so difficult to almost be impossible. If it is based on the person not spending money to improve the side, it is a valid debate, adding that he earns 'x' just doesn't improve the argument.

  26. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    Jan 30, 2014, 19:16 #44916

    Driving back this evening I was listening to TalkManc during which programme that august organ of the airwaves (Prop Adrian Durham) played an extract from the laughing policeman when it was suggested that we could win the league. I was going to say the season is over because Adrian Durham has declared an Arsenal Championship to be impossible, but that isn't strictly accurate as you can see. How I wish that he HAD declared it to be impossible. It would give the team even more motivation to show what they are made of. We live in interesting times .... at last.

  27. Westlower

    Jan 30, 2014, 18:26 #44915

    @Joe Fitz, Info sourced from 'Arsenal, The Official Illustrated History 1886-1996 & 1886-2003'. On the computer, wikipedia or general search, just type in whoever who're interested in and see what pops up. Plus whatever is retained in my decaying brain from attending games since 1960/61. I also have a massive collection of AFC programmes/mags etc. It was probably the money I spent over 50 years that paid for Ozil (me and a few thousand others).

  28. jw

    Jan 30, 2014, 17:25 #44913

    To all you people saying we cannot win with Arteta and Flamini in the starting line up, I present you with the Arsenal 2 - Napoli 0 match. A game many people feel was our best performance of the season, and who played together in that game? That's right Arteta and Flamini!

  29. jeff wright

    Jan 30, 2014, 16:52 #44912

    Stroud Green Road Boy, yes it's where we finish that counts and for us to claim a big improvement will require that to be first or second . We will have to do a lot better than we did against Southampton though because too many draws can be as costly as losing games in a run of them .

  30. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Jan 30, 2014, 16:39 #44911

    2013 calendar champions ... win ratios ... comparing last season's results to this season ... I understand the delve into stat minutiae is motivated by the headline stat being unfavourable for so long, but hasn't it all got a bit too complicated? If AFC finish 1st or 2nd, then that is real progress. A trophy free 3rd or 4th is more of the same, whether it's with X points more or less than last season.

  31. jeff wright

    Jan 30, 2014, 16:30 #44910

    Well Chris I said around 81 points , it could be slightly less or more, unlike yourself I don't possess a crystal ball to gaze in. My point was and is that we are not doing much better than last season so far in the league - but that United have done worse and this has helped us move up the pecking order into a current 2nd place behind title favs City - even though we have only one point more than at this time last season . I'm taking account , with our usual departure from the CL at the KO stage ,likely to occur again when we play BM that this will help us in our Prem games with more rest time between matches . I don't expect us to win the league though that looks more likely to be City's trophy they finished 2nd last season and won it the season before, and have the experience now to win the title again. We have been nowhere near winning the Prem for donkeys years and this current side of ours looks nothing like a title winning one .

  32. BADARSE

    Jan 30, 2014, 16:25 #44909

    These siestas get longer and longer for me. Well radfordkennedy, I cannot help regarding Joe Baker's punishment. It clearly was a different footballing world back then. His punishment didn't even register with me. I suppose being sent off was rare enough to register any discussion, the ban was probably ignored, certainly I don't recollect. Yet as I said the considerations then, unlike today where people are obsessed with accounts, sponsorship deals, price of admission, slo-mo replays, gossip, hype and rumours, plus the everyman views whereby every person has a remedy for failings and a quick-fix solution at hand. So, so innocent. Went to the game and watched. Monday morning a chat about the match if possible, then a desert until the following Saturday. Virtually no information at all from the media, or the club. Different days. Joe was a firecracker. I was intrigued with your account regarding Podolski. I have some German friends and in casual conversation they collectively raised their eyebrows at the mention of his name. They may be influenced by drivel from their media, they have their version of the Sun in the shape of Der Bild, but intimated that he was pretty stupid in every way imaginable. Liked your quote westlower, nice support, I know another, 'Goosey, goosey ...'

  33. Joe Fitzpatrick

    Jan 30, 2014, 16:18 #44908

    BadArse- I think people might be pointing out Wenger's salary just because it indicates that we could afford the services of almost any coach in the world if the board decided to sack him. I think that Wenger's decision not to bring in a central defender and a top striker this January will be his downfall. Man city, Liverpool, Man Utd and Chelsea will all be stronger next year without doubt and he could be blowing the best chance of a title we've had since 2008. @Westie- thanks for all of the interesting stats. What are your sources for them? I really think those websites would make interesting reading because sometimes things like our current win ratio % are too often overlooked by people. I'm really enjoying our football this season because at least we have improved the defence and the overall organisation of the team is so much better than the previous few seasons of complete and utter shambles.

  34. Chris

    Jan 30, 2014, 16:06 #44907

    Jeff - Lol - 'working it out' is exactly the way it is when trying to follow your points! In typical style, you appear to be arguing a slightly confused mishmash of ideas. As we have both agreed on, it is very likely that our points total this season will be a considerable improvement on last season's - you suggest it will increase by 8, I'd suggest maybe 10 - mostly because of the poor start to last season. I would call this (should it happen) an improvement, because the league hasn't radically changed in one year. Where we need to improve is clearly in the games that we did badly in last season - many of which, as you point out, we haven't played yet this year. The fact we have made a modest improvement even in the games we did well in last year, speaks volumes. Where we finish in the league clearly depends on how the other teams do - it's not impossible - although unlikely - that the points total we each project could win us the league. As you yourself have pointed out, in some years a points total not much bigger than ours last season has been enough to win the league. Now - what exactly are you trying to say?

  35. jeff wright

    Jan 30, 2014, 15:49 #44906

    That is exactly my point Chris, well done for working it out! United have obviously got worse because they were miles ahead of us last season points wise at this point , while we on the other hand have only one point more same games played than last season, so no argument there. For us to win the league this season we will need to see a massive improvement from last time . No sign of this though so far... City only need to show a slightly better improvement on last season's form with United out of the race .

  36. Chris

    Jan 30, 2014, 15:31 #44905

    Jeff - Yes but if we're 4th best last year and 2nd best this year, have we necessarily improved? No - because 2 teams might have got worse...

  37. jeff wright

    Jan 30, 2014, 15:11 #44904

    If we finish first Chris it means that we are the best side in the league 2nd the second best,3rd the third best 4th the 4th best and anything less , useless.

  38. Chris

    Jan 30, 2014, 14:59 #44903

    jeff - where we finish in the league tells you how well we have done relative to other teams, not whether we have improved or not. Both are valid to look at but they don't tell you the same thing.

  39. jeff wright

    Jan 30, 2014, 14:54 #44902

    MG, there is more spin going on regarding our results than New Labour employed when burying bad news.

  40. Ron

    Jan 30, 2014, 14:51 #44901

    R/K - Rings true that does. Has to be something odd going on. Mind you hes still as good fat and sozzled than our Nic!

  41. radfordkennedy

    Jan 30, 2014, 14:39 #44900

    I'm not one given to idle gossip as its often cobblers,but I thought you might like to know(and I'm only posting this because I can vouch for the source)My Sons pal is at a particular seat of learning where he is taking a sports science degree,and his tutor is the son of an ex-Arsenal player/coach of some repute.my son was told by that his pal that the tutor informed him that Arsenal are trying to off load Podolski as part of the Draxler deal and if that doesn't happen he will be shown the door in the summer,it would seem that Podolski has an over fondness of the grape n grain and is a poor trainer and has failed to heed the warnings given to him from AW...let's see what happens

  42. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 30, 2014, 14:29 #44899

    jeff wright, 47790, it's called spin mate, or an excuse take your pick.

  43. jeff wright

    Jan 30, 2014, 14:25 #44898

    Chris,as I already said I will judge whether or not we have improved on where we finish in the league . Us being one point better off than at this time last season hardly suggests that we have seen any great improvement in our results . Obviously United have gone backwards and City have only recently sorted out their away form. Liverpool are also doing better this season and our two games against them could be season defining ones for us.

  44. Chris

    Jan 30, 2014, 14:05 #44897

    jeff - yes but you're forgetting we are the '2013 champions' and you are comparing against many results that occurred during our very successful latter half of the season. Like me, you are expecting us to finish with a markedly higher points total than last year - because we have improved markedly from last season (the first half certainly).

  45. Westlower

    Jan 30, 2014, 13:57 #44896

    @Jeff, Not the same Ghandhi, I'm quoting Mr Gandhi Sherwood (Tim, to his mates) who owns a restaurant in Blackstock Road. By the tone of your posts I hope you're not planning to round up a lynch mob to assassinate any Arsenal personnel that take your continued displeasure. Please leave enough players & management so that the club can continue to exist into 2015.

  46. jeff wright

    Jan 30, 2014, 13:57 #44895

    Chris, we are one point better off than at the same stage last season so there clearly has not been a markedly great difference in results . You can argue about many things but facts are not one of them. United had a lot more points on the board than us and City do at this point last season. Looking at our remaining fixtures - and taking an optimistic view of our chances - I go for us getting around 81 points ,I'm presuming here,always a risky business this , that we will beat Palace and Hull again to make a clean sweep of taking the 18 points off them. As you say though comparing points totals from one season to the next is not a good yardstick to judge sides by , we finished 4th last season with more points won than in the previous one when we finished 3rd. I will judge our performance this season on where we end up in the league; and not by points scored. Ron our position at the top ,we are only second now but go back there if we beat Palace , has been helped by our rivals such as United falling away and slow starts by the rest in what has so far been a low points scored season by the top sides - although City have picked up steam since the start of the Xmas run of fixtures and have won more points than us since the Everton game when we had a 7 point lead over City and that game saw the end of our early season form.

  47. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 30, 2014, 13:47 #44894

    I didn't know Arsene and Maureen where such good mates, they must be after he returned the favor last night and dropped two points himself, or maybe we should be thanking the walrus with his 19th century football we know how OGL likes that, i think we'll stick to thanking the hammers keeper for keeping the door shut on the chavs. But there was no such favors from the blue mancs they accepted our gift of two dropped points and said ta very much by spanking the spuds all over the place to put them top of the league, can they remain there now? have we got what it takes to go back there? or will we go the other way, the blue mancs now find themselves in the same position as we were that you can be top of the pile for as long as you like but it means F all unless your still top at the final whistle on the last day of the season.

  48. Chris

    Jan 30, 2014, 13:31 #44893

    Jeff - I don't think I did misunderstand you, you have again re-iterated your view that "there has not been any great improvement in results". This seems to run counter to your prediction that we'll finish on 81 points (8 more than last year - a clear improvement) and Citeh on 87 (only 6 ahead - again, a clear improvement in competitiveness). I haven't actually looked at this year's versus last's 'same results' but even if you're right, the points you're making seem incompatible. I'm sure, as you seem to be, that results this season will end up being markedly better than last season's.

  49. Red Member

    Jan 30, 2014, 13:25 #44892

    Jeff Wright - you are correct that the results are VERY similar to last season. it is just that the fixtures have come at different times creating the illusion that we are doing better than we actually are. Wenger and Arsenal have benefitted from this all season. comparing to the same fixtures played last season Arsenal are a mere ONE point better off at this stage.

  50. Ron

    Jan 30, 2014, 13:23 #44891

    Jeff - Yes, lots of variables to measure 'improvment' by though, not just bland results so i take a straight line est of it by simply viewing the time spent on the top spot, whatever happens now and however we explain that lengthy top spot status. Its academic now for me as i dont believe we re going back there, short of a Man City implosion of a type and size even theyve never attained before and the Club historically knows how to blow up big time.Ironically, i feel we can beat City at home, more so now as it wont be a game where we re trying to hold top spot probably, hence far less pressure. Wenger and his teams always do better when we re released from pressure to achieve.Mind you, i said we d beat Chelsea and where did that get me!

  51. jeff wright

    Jan 30, 2014, 13:14 #44890

    Westie,is this the same Gandhi who was assassinated ?

  52. Westlower

    Jan 30, 2014, 13:02 #44889

    @Badarse, Don't let Les Miserables pessimists grind you down. Thought for the day for optimists & pessimists alike: 'Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever' - Gandhi.

  53. jeff wright

    Jan 30, 2014, 12:55 #44888

    Ron, leaving aside the eye-candy effects mainly due to Ramsey's early season heroics regarding playing style , there has not been any great improvement in results . We still lost at United and produced a worst result at City than last season and Wenger, despite all the pre-match hype still failed to register his first win over Mourinho . The win over Liverpool was the high-light so far of our league campaign. Southampton's recent home form has been poor and we really should have done a lot better than what we did do .My comments that Chris appears to have misunderstood were directed at that performance - it was worse than our one against them last season ,albeit the result was the same.

  54. Ron

    Jan 30, 2014, 12:55 #44887

    Westie - Joe would have almost certainly got a 28 day ban for the sending off. I recall the big fuss over Denis Law getting sent off demolishing a Villa player in the same season, or season after and he got the 28 day treatment.

  55. Westlower

    Jan 30, 2014, 12:21 #44886

    @R/K, It was quite a rare event to be sent off in the 60's and I can't remember Joe Baker's punishment. There were no yellow and red cards back then and the ref just used to point towards the dressing room. I read that it was Joe's first sending off in his career and he told the press he had to deliver an uppercut because he was so much smaller (5'7") than the Liverpool man. There were also reports that he threw an Italian journalist into a canal while playing for Torino. Hibs sold him to Italy for £75k because Joe had asked for a massive pay rise from £12 to £17. He was later bought by Billy Wright for a club record fee of £70k. Billy Wright's first AFC team: McKechnie, Magill, McCullough, Brown, Neill, Snedden, Armstrong, Strong, Baker, Barnwell, Skirton.

  56. Mike

    Jan 30, 2014, 12:13 #44885

    oh wow - we draw and the whole world is falling apart - Spent 10 minutes listening to Murinho waffle on about how West Ham came to the Bridge without any ambition of winning the game and trying to eek out a point. Wenger gets slated every time he says that of any team visiting the Emirates.When Murinho did it in December to us he was a tactical genious.They play city on Monday and can't afford to be 6 points adrift, so interesting to see what tactic he employs then

  57. Chris

    Jan 30, 2014, 12:08 #44884

    WeAreBuilding - I'm not a fan of comparing points totals between eras, because the leagues differ so much in top to bottom competitiveness etc - which I think is part of your point. But i think year on year it gives some indication. I agree a team can only beat the others around them but if we finish even vaguely in touch with the champions this year, progress will have been made in that respect. Ron - Yes we could do with a Tony Adams or even a Terry Butcher in their prime to stir the troops right now, no doubt about it. I'm sure this is the time - injuries mounting, difficult fixtures piling up, everyone writing us off - that should get the juices flowing for any warrior / leader worth his salt. This is when they should come alive, eyes gleaming, ready for the winner-takes-all fight to come. Sadly, much as I admire him, Mesut's puppy dog eyes don't give the impression that's about to happen... All down to the BFG then.

  58. Ron

    Jan 30, 2014, 11:49 #44883

    Jeff - I think its a bit churlish to say the team hasnt progressed this time vis the last. It clearly has. The issue is more one of asking whether the improvment has a sound foundation and able to be built upon. Im not sure it has. Theres little difference other than what the infusion of belief brought that the Ozil buy gave the Club, which still burns, though flickering in my view as the realisation dawns that hes not the commanding figurehead, to lead and prompt that the team has lacked since Adams in my view. I think under dfferent leadership such improvements as there are, would be more clearly pronounced than they are right now. How we lack a 'general' off the pitch and a general's luitenant on it right now. Per does his best though granted.

  59. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Jan 30, 2014, 11:48 #44882

    Chris/Jeff; it surely isn't enough to simply say that because a club got more points than in the season before that they are improving. Key points; how many points needed to win the league in any given season. In 1998 78 points won the title. In 2005 we got 83 and finished a distant 2nd to Chelsea. So were the 2005 side better than the 1998 side? Go back even further to the 1970's. Liverpool won titles in 1973, 1976 and 1979 with, respectively, 60, 60 and 65 points. The 1979 side were probably the greatest team of that particular period of football, but were the '73 side better than '76? Surely it didn't matter, because both were championship winning sides.

  60. jeff wright

    Jan 30, 2014, 11:42 #44881

    I was pointing out Chris that results against the same sides played last season have not markedly improved . We gained 2 points off Liverpool at home and 1 off Chelsea but have to play them away ,we dropped points at home v Villa and away to West Brom and City in games that we won points in last season . We have done well though against the newly promoted sides taking all the points from games against Palace,Hull and Cardiff twice and this has helped boost our points tally along with the poor start that City made to the season prior to Xmas away - and United's demise helping to make our position look better. The result against Southampton was a bad one for us and all of your trying to make it look as though it was a good one and dreaming up points totals will not change this fact. I believe that we will end up with around 81 points at the end of play with City on around the 87 mark - the differentials between a win or a draw are like the difference between a rut and a grave during a league run-in with games and time running out .

  61. BADARSE

    Jan 30, 2014, 11:27 #44880

    Uncle Albert, my fence-sitting is a very low blow, and without foundation. As I don't comply with your view I am a fence-sitter? For what it's worth I've probably campaigned, demonstrated and fought for what I consider justice and equality all my life. People who do this invariably earn my respect. Yes I am well read. Self awareness? I think I am learning more by the year and make quite a good fist of that too. My failing in this instance, of which I have long been aware of, is to accredit others with a rationale which will allow them to recognise common sense when they see it, rather than spitefully throwing stones. Now even you can work that one out, or is that another stone in your hand?

  62. Chris

    Jan 30, 2014, 11:26 #44879

    OK Jeff let's see if we manage to beat 73 points this season - you seem to be suggesting that no progress has been made but if we can get 22 out of the 45 points available this season, it will have been. We can lose to Citeh, Utd, Chelski, Liverpool, Everton and the Spuds (heaven forbid) and still be 5 points better off at the end of this season than last. You have a peculiar way of looking at things, so much so that i can only imagine you take only a masochistic pleasure out of following Arsenal.

  63. jeff wright

    Jan 30, 2014, 11:10 #44877

    I can't see why just scraping a draw at Southampton was a good result they ae no world beaters as their recent home results in the Prem show. According to some these are the sort of games that we should win so as to be able to lose against the better sides. 28.01.2014 Arsenal d. 2-2 11.01.2014 West Bromwich Albion W.1-0 01.01.2014 Chelsea L 0-3 22.12.2013 Tottenham Hotspur L.1-3 These recent home results by Southampton suggests that us top of the table on the night should have done better - if we want to be there at the end of the season, or even for a few days. As it happens, along with near all of the other results same games /venues played as last season so far the result was the same as last terms , with if anything a worse performance from us.

  64. Albert Einstein

    Jan 30, 2014, 11:03 #44876

    BADARSE- I'm sure you believe that no-one else ever really understands, other than those sitting on the fence next to you. You're obviously well-read, but self-awareness isn't one of your strong points.

  65. radfordkennedy

    Jan 30, 2014, 11:02 #44875

    Badarse..indeed mate Capn Frank was the Guvnor and it wouldn't be the worst idea to let him in the dressing room for a team talk would it?..incidently can you or ron or westie please tell me what the consequences were for Joe Baker after he chinned Ron Yeates as I can't find reference to it and I'd loved to know.what happened with regards to any punnishment as I suspect dear old Dennis Hill-Wood would have took a very dim view

  66. Ron

    Jan 30, 2014, 10:45 #44874

    R/K - Very true mate but youre peeing in the wind if you think that type of managment and coaching wil happen today. Wengers way is to 'play the victim', sulk, moan and hit out at the elements and the forces that be, rather than relish the propsect of overwhelming the stronger forces he faces. It would be utterly surprising if the players didnt think the same way. Wenger would hsve made a typical French officer had the military been his calling. Its ever likely he has spawned teams for so long who lack the very 'mental strength' he always bleats on about them having. The man at the top at Arsenasl sucks away what mental strength any of his players might have. It needs GG in that dressing room right now to bolster the feinthearts now that the rampant hordes in light blue are lining up at the top of the higher ground brandishing their rifles. We ve heard there hoof beats for weeks, our scouts have spotted them in dispatches in the distance for some and reported to OGL. Now theyre here, the cavalry, the infantry, the horse, the artillery and all. Whats Wenger doing? Very little, bar upping the ante with his shouting of 'fix' 'fix''its unfair' 'help us '. Typical and all so often seen before in the last 10 years. His troops are about to be overwhelmed sadly and the General knows it.He knows how to cut and run though. Hes done it before.He ll even throw a few barbs of blame towards his troops too. Hes done that before as well.

  67. jeff wright

    Jan 30, 2014, 10:44 #44873

    Washbelly, Southampton's best performance of the season just happened to coincide with our worst performance of the season. Work it out. We also managed to make Everton look like world beaters and look what happened to them the other night. We will need to play better against Palace otherwise we will have you back on saying what a fantastic side they are! In the meantime Platini and Wenger's beloved 'fair play rules' is again in the spotlight with City the former yo-yo club - who paid out £639,000 a day in wages last season - disclosing that they are on track to comply with the rules, what a big surprise , their chief exec Ferran Soriano says that they are looking forward to an even brighter future . Having owners who can cobble together big sponsorship deals obviously helps - as does having a supporter base that is happy to pay the ever increasing top prices in football for tickets to help comply with the 'fair play' rules .

  68. BADARSE

    Jan 30, 2014, 10:41 #44872

    I know it's not really you Albert Einstein, you old German, you! Despite being godlike even you failed to master being mortal. Even if you had I know you wouldn't have chastised me for my post, as it is one out of your pronouncements. Not surprising, but sad all the same that the imposter couldn't grasp my words adequately. So I offer this, read and absorb chris' post, it speaks far more succinctly than mine. Go on, you can grasp it now, can't you? I have faith in you. radfordkennedy that was a great rallying cry. Frank McLintock was clearly one of your inspirations buddy. I would stand with!

  69. Reggie

    Jan 30, 2014, 10:04 #44870

    Apparently Spurs are having an open top bus parade after only losing 5-1 at home to Man City. Spurs are in a false position which shows by their minus goal difference. Back to mid-table mediocrity for Finsbury Joe and his Glory Glory pals. Keep singing that boring slowed down Saints Chorus losers.

  70. radfordkennedy

    Jan 30, 2014, 10:00 #44869

    Moscow....I can see your point where you state the similarities between where we find ourselves today and the title run in of 71..I dont know if such a room exists as it did in the tunnel at Highbury,but if there is an 'Halfway House'at the Emirates where the players can clear the air out of the managements earshot,then i cant help feeling now is the time for a sort out amongst themselves,almost to the point of ignoring orders and deciding amongst themselves what needs addressing,as indeed in 71 we must make sure we defend with our lives,every other team knows we have no protection on the flanks and will come after us in that way,our full backs must be just that first and foremost,Arteta must not seek to come out of our defensive third he hasnt the legs to tidy up if he loses possession,Santi and Ozil have got to be told to be big men if not in stature than at least in character.Someone really needs to get it across to these fellas that they will only be tired when the captain says your'e tired and untill then you keep going and maybe we can nick a goal or two as we did all those years ago,but everyman must understand clearly what everyone else along side him expects.If we can get that mental toughness we just might pull it off,if there was ever the need for a Bertie Mee speech to our boys its now,hold your nerve dig deep and keep fighting,the only difference as i see it between now and 71 is that i fear its going to take more than an off side goal from Jeff Astle to knock city out their stride

  71. Westlower

    Jan 30, 2014, 9:59 #44868

    @Gunner Rob, You may well be right but hold that thought until Monday night's game has finished. There are worse investments than 80% tax free interest over a period of 4 months. How would you feel if AFC denied you picking up your lump sum in May?

  72. BADARSE

    Jan 30, 2014, 9:55 #44867

    Well Alsace, I am glad you qualified your post by describing the view expressed as 'Bard's logic'. It was an opinion not logic. It was well reasoned and perhaps pertinent, as was westlower's which was in direct opposition to it. I personally sit in between their views, perhaps a little more towards westlower's upbeat and positive outlook. Possibly that is the reason. I try very hard to dismiss scaremongering and remain open to outcomes. Of course we need to survive which introduces the ability to fear. If unfounded or unproven I put it on the back burner, and whilst being aware of the possible development avoid it's interference as a certainty. Basically it can go one way or the other, that is the most logical conclusion.

  73. Chris

    Jan 30, 2014, 9:48 #44866

    Re Vucinic - I see it's changed back now! Obviously someone having a laugh / jumping the gun (a bit like Bard!)

  74. Chris

    Jan 30, 2014, 9:37 #44865

    Bard - I certainly wouldn't want to have you fighting alongside me in any sort of conflict! We drew one game (one that I had marked down as a draw FWIW)- and yes we have some injuries but the evidence suggests we'll cope better than we have in yesteryear. It might be the beginning of a melt down for / in you but I'm confident it won't be for Arsenal. By the end of the weekend, we'll either be 5 points clear of Chelski in a break-away 2 with Citeh or we'll be back on top of a leading trio. What's not to like? BTW - for what it's worth, Vucinic's wiki page states this morning that he plays for Arsenal.... Did I miss something?

  75. Gunner Rob

    Jan 30, 2014, 9:36 #44864

    I have just had a bet on Manchester City at 4/5 this is the equivalent of buying money

  76. Albert Einstein

    Jan 30, 2014, 9:34 #44863

    BADARSE- If only we were all as clever as you..

  77. BADARSE

    Jan 30, 2014, 9:15 #44862

    What makes me smile sardonically, and always has done in all things, is the inability of a large number of people to connect similar circumstances and compare with other situations. We live in a right wing world, globalisation has seen to that. I don't oppose it, though I dislike the damage it is doing, as it is a natural development of evolution. We here in the UK are amongst the most extreme of civilised right wing countries. Virtually everyone thinks in a right wing way, it is a mantra we invoke constantly and believe that if we follow the cul de sac of this approach it will always come to our rescue no matter what the 'world' may throw at us. With this in mind why are so many obsessed with Arsene Wenger's salary? If a manager cannot do his job effectively then a case is prepared and is valid. It does not involve the size of his wage packet. It may serve as an irritant but has no bearing on the level of his ability. The same with Bendtner, and if any of you are failing in your lives your salary also has no relevance in fundamental terms. Please gentlemen recognise this salient point, digest it and realise it weakens the other points you may want to air.

  78. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    Jan 30, 2014, 9:12 #44861

    You can't fault the Bard's logic, not if we go by History. OGL is trying to purchase an injured midfielder rather than buying to bolster the defence and the strike force. The jury however is still out. Let's see how the team react to this. They may react to it well.

  79. Westlower

    Jan 30, 2014, 9:06 #44860

    @Bard, I read an article in my racing paper yesterday concerning why punters get angry & frustrated (post 47755) when the horse they backed gets beat. When a horse runs less well than some expect, they blame the horse rather than their poor judgement or lack of knowledge. They'll say the horse was disappointing rather than look for a genuine explanation. Punters invest emotionally as well as financially so when a top horse flops many seem to take it as a personal affront and spurn the horse in the future. These are thoughts of the author Nick Mordin, adapted from James Surowiecki's book 'The Wisdom Of Crowds'. Does the same logic apply to football fans when their team 'disappoints'?

  80. Bard

    Jan 30, 2014, 8:38 #44859

    Westie; A difference of opinion here. You see it as just the loss of 2 points, a minor blip. I see it as the beginning of the meltdown. As we near the business end of the season the teams in contention should be upping their game. We looked a spent force against Southampton. Flamini tackle was stupid and we lose him for 4/5 games, Ramsey's out, Walcott's out, Ox isnt match fit, Rosicky has broken nose. no buys in the window.I dont see that as evidence of a team gearing up for a tilt at the title. I dont think you do either Westie. Moaning about the fixture problem is pure Wengerspeak. You could write his end of Feb interview now. Thats why I wrote we're going down the pan.

  81. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Jan 30, 2014, 8:25 #44858

    You just gotta laugh at that one-hit wonder Danny Rose getting sent off last night. Another in a long line of 'em who made a career out of scoring vs us. And those loveable Hammers park the bus and get a point at the Bridge. Now that's the way to do it. Can't see OGL taking any notice of it though.

  82. WashBelly

    Jan 30, 2014, 8:23 #44857

    Southampton's best performance this year, and we still manage a draw with 10 men. Well done the lads, bring on Palace..

  83. perfect timing

    Jan 30, 2014, 8:21 #44856

    Man city will probably start increasing the gap at the top, not as fast as as the rise in Wenger's bank balance now that he has signed the contract extension. It was beautifully played by him and Gazidis, not a murmor of unrest amongst the supporters, even though the player cheque book is firmly locked away until the summer. The projections obviously show that a bigger profit will be made by buying no one and finishing top 4 against splashing the cash and finishing 1st. Supporters mugged again and they don't even know it.

  84. DW Thomas

    Jan 30, 2014, 0:41 #44854

    One more repeat of a point I often like to make. The best teams, Bayern and Barca recently, maybe Dortmund too, hound other teams to get the ball back, then do something productive with it. Any decent team can maintain possession by passing sideways and backwards. Great teams do it in the offensive third and are efficient when it comes to goal scoring opportunities. We do this sometimes but have been too inconsistent to win a title. Man City is very good offensively and when they get it right on defense look unstoppable. We are grinding out results, but on $8 million a year, our coach should be getting better from this squad at the very least! No contract should be signed/given until the end of the season IMO. Watch Best of Enemies and listen to what Viera and Keane talk about. Those too, faults aside, were warriors and winners. They had very high expectations for themselves and their teammates. I see it in Per and Sagan, maybe Jack. But who else? Those two were no nonsense footballers who gave everything to win and hated losing. Do our pampered boys hate it enough yet? I don't buy the overplayed thing or difficult schedule BS. In the end, teams that win deal with adversity and overcome. Would the modern Arsenal be capable of doing what either Liverpool did in 2005 CL or Man U in 1999? I can't see it yet. Our boys still have a lot to learn and growing up to do.

  85. Ron

    Jan 29, 2014, 23:48 #44853

    Guys. i've just looked as Finsbury s post earlier to see what the excitement is. To be honest, i do think some of you take him a touch too seriously. His comments are just wind up s. Quite funny really surely? I d go so far as to say that his presence is good on here. Im sure deep down he even respects the Arsenal, hence his need to rant on as he does.Lets face it, like most who wing up and provoke, they often feed off what some of us say and just crank up the ante and it then comes out absurdly outrageously like his posts. Carry on FJ! We can take it fella! Now i've defended you, what were you saying about these 'rejuvenated spurs'? Seem more like Man City s rent boys to me buddy? Always in our shadow matey and you do know it deep down don't you.

  86. DW Thomas

    Jan 29, 2014, 23:41 #44852

    Will we prove the doubters wrong? I hope, but how can we play that badly and win the title? Will it be 2 points that matter? I think all depends on the Jan. window. I hope Wenger has been bluffing and is really bringing a quality striker in soon. If not, and we falter, and he signs a new contract, what does that say? I will be patient, but February is the month to show up and prove our mettle. Once again injuries kill our depth and mistakes are made by replacements. Winners figure out a way to win, despite setbacks. No more excuses Arsene!

  87. Treble Double

    Jan 29, 2014, 22:28 #44851

    @Finsbury Joe - welcome back spud. Took you long enough to show your face after being sent packing in the Cup. Like so many sad sperz fans you can only really take delight in a poor show from London's most successful team. May I remind you that we are still miles ahead of you in the league and despite having an off night are still a point further ahead of you after this round of fixtures. You should concentrate on supporting that shower of sh1te from up the road rather than trolling Gooner sites. Isn't funny that every time you open your swampy gob your team embarrass themselves and you? I guess you will never learn but I guess that's because you only have the one brain cell. Still at least tonight was an improvement on the result at City so you must be pleased with a 5-1 reverse on your home patch.

  88. Gunner SA

    Jan 29, 2014, 21:42 #44850

    Got to beat Citeh at home now!! Same result as in April 2012 would be nice!!

  89. Chris

    Jan 29, 2014, 20:49 #44849

    I'm with Westlower on the scheduling. Despite what retrograde buffoons like Adrian Durham say, we have definitely had the rough end of the fixture stick this season. All our hardest games are coming clustered together, the two Mancs away after CL away games for instance. The 'easy start' hypotheses is pure idiocy - we didn't need the confidence boost after the CL qualifiers and whilst we'd have won those games wherever they fell, those we wouldn't have mostly come at the worst moments. We certainly haven't been helped by the fixtures, that's for sure (although surely no one would still be going on about an easy start after 23 games unless they were challenged in the sense department a la Durham).

  90. stupid tackle ! were imploding again

    Jan 29, 2014, 20:47 #44848

    Flamini did not have to do that. 4 game ban. Wengers teams never have enough discipline to win things

  91. Going gets tough so the tough are meant to.....

    Jan 29, 2014, 20:32 #44847

    we were utter crap last night. lets now see if this lot have what it takes to really fight and dig in as well as have the craft to not lose 4 matches between now and end of season. last night concerned me

  92. Highbury Boy

    Jan 29, 2014, 19:22 #44846

    Hardly "shafted" playing Liverpool in the Cup on the Sunday. Even AW said last night that the TV companies naturally wanted that tie and the City v Chelsea game and as City play Barca on the Tuesday it was understandable that the City game would be on Saturday with ours on the Sunday. In any event I expect AW to make a great number of changes fot the Cup game.

  93. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Jan 29, 2014, 19:17 #44845

    "Shafted again" A slight overreaction, methinks - 'wallowing in self pity' would be another way to put it. Careful Westlower, this kind of negativity might be transmitted from these pages to the players on the pitch and affect their performances. In fact this is what I'll be blaming at the end of the season if we fall short.

  94. Seven Kings Gooner

    Jan 29, 2014, 18:25 #44844

    I am with Ron on this one - as my dad would say "a good big un will always beat a good little un" PV4, YaYa, Drogba to name a few. Although I believe more important is that a player has courage and huge a stamina.

  95. Westlower

    Jan 29, 2014, 18:05 #44843

    @Bard, Drawing at Southampton is not 'sliding down the pan'. Never has a team at the top of the PL, with the most wins, least defeats & best away record been compared to the Titanic. Slight over reaction on your part, methinks! Our fixture congestion has just been compounded by TV moving the FA Cup 5th round tie to Sunday. We now play Liverpool (Sunday), Bayern Munich (Wed) & Sunderland (Saturday). This follows on from Everton (Sun), Napoli (Wed), Man C (Sat). Shafted again!

  96. Bard

    Jan 29, 2014, 17:27 #44842

    Westie; I presume the self - pity comment was a typo . I thought there was more anger and frustration on the posts. My view is they represent a feeling that we're watching a terrific opportunity to win something sliding down the pan. To me you're stats are the equivalent of moving deck chairs around the Titanic.. Let's reconvene for a postmortem at the end of Feb with one proviso that the 'we woz robbed' argument is left for another day.

  97. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 29, 2014, 17:10 #44841

    the denver kid, want to bet? the last time he was seen he was being beamed up to the star ship enterprise so he's light years away by now, but who cares the money is still going on.

  98. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 29, 2014, 16:52 #44840

    Chuckle of the day goes to Ron 47723, groaning like an overworked sludge pump. And there's a lot more than him specialise in excuses.

  99. chris dee

    Jan 29, 2014, 16:15 #44839

    Whoa,take it easy ,let's not go overboard about last nights draw,.Lets just wait until next Tuesday when this weeks fixtures and the weekend fixtures are completed.A point at Southampton might be seen as priceless.

  100. Ron

    Jan 29, 2014, 16:14 #44838

    Westie - Hi mate. Yes mastered it. Need to try it on elec though, not just acoustic.Not saying ALL players need to big and hard at all. Im saying that a team needs size and teak toughness in it to accompany the less physically imposing elements. Find a team anywhere that wins titles with out such facets? We have a worrying over balance of fetherlight players in the sqaud. It doesnt make some bad footballers, but theyre being compromised by being asked to adopt roles that derogate from what their best at. This is how Wenger 'overplays' players. He nigh on ruined Fabregas asking him to ball win and so on and hes doing the same to Wilshere. A midfield needs its ball players and its 'insurance' men. Utd s great younger and slighter lads of the 90s wouldnt have achieved half as much, and perhaps nothing at all without Roy Keane as the glue to hold it all together. Ferguson never forgot the basics. Wenger has managed since 04 on the basis of his theories and his 'philosophies',tyring to change a culture of a game thats played in largely lousy conditions, still quite heavy pitches and still being more robust than all other european countries and has spurned buying players offering the ingredient that im on about despite the prices not having been very high. He ll carry on doing it too.

  101. big_d87

    Jan 29, 2014, 16:11 #44837

    The thing alot of arsenal fans are forgetting is that u were awful and injuries are no excuse out of lol old southamptons preferred starting eleven they were missing lambert and osvaldo who were replaced by an 18yr old making his first start in the prem also missing lovren,Ramirez,clyne,wanyama also there 4 players 19 or under in the starting eleven

  102. Westlower

    Jan 29, 2014, 15:54 #44835

    For those of you wallowing in self pity because we didn't win last night, consider this: Our win/games ratio in our Championship winning years:- 70/71 69%, 88-89 57.7%, 90/91 63.1%, 97/98 60.5%, 01/02 68.5%, 03/04 (Inv) 68.4%, 13/14 69.5%. In any normal year we are bang on target to being Champions, unfortunately we are fighting against two very formidable opponents but we cannot realistically be doing much better than we already are. A win last night would have improved our win/game ratio to 73.9. The Invincibles record run of 49 unbeaten games = 73.4%. We are that close to being on a par with the win ratio of arguably our greatest ever team. I would also add that Southampton impressed me more than any other team seen at the Emirates this season. Lallana & Rodriguez were outstanding. It would have suited us better last night if the lumbering Rickie Lambert had played instead of the nippy Gallagher. I don't buy into Ron's theory that you have to be big & hard to be an effective footballer. "Don't punish me with brutality" sang Marvin Gaye. Aren't the refs supposed to protect players from brutality? Have you mastered 'Bad Moon Rising' yet Ron?

  103. Ron

    Jan 29, 2014, 15:28 #44834

    BADARSE - Hi mate. Good comments. I persoanlly dont rate Cazorla as a player for big games or ones where the goings tough. If he was as good the hype, hed still be in Spain basically. Hes a bottler. OK for seeing off rubbish teams on a fair day. Lat night just underlined him for me. Youre right re whats called for from a coach of a truly big Club. We re not a giant yet, bey we need to prepare to be one. There arent many giants of the game and there arent many titan coaches, but we need one. Wenger reached his bar a few years back. Great job hes done by and large but the Club needs better now if theyre genuinely seeking to join the elite, which to be honest under this Board, im not convinced is the case. Top men cost a packet same as in business, but Wengers costing too much for his return in my view. We need to reach out and attract one of the games top men. They all move about frequently enough. Its more vital to do so for Arsenal than signing new players right now as i see it. Last night has no influence on my opinion here as you know mate. PS Im dont believe Arsene really thinks we can win the title either. Its a mere desire for him, not an essential. The Board agree with him hence as a Club we re stuck in the stalls and not the grand tier. Good point re pitch by the way.

  104. Moscow Gooner

    Jan 29, 2014, 15:02 #44833

    The coach arriving 45 minutes before kick off hardly seems a reasonably explanation for the first half lethargy: what time does it normally arrive? 4.5 hours before?? Performance aside don't see this as a bad result: the real tests are yet to come - and very fast. Bit of a feeling like 1971 about the start to 2014: media fixation with Man City as the favourites - Leeds back then; Arsenal written off as no hopes but we plug away - a lot of narrow scrappy wins, no 6-0s, but keeping in touch; the double on - (and just maybe going out to a German club in Europe due to dodgy refereeing decisions....)

  105. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    Jan 29, 2014, 14:59 #44832

    Those of you who were at the game at Highbury against Soton will recall that they came at us like rabid dogs in that one as well, and we did very well to beat them. Well they were clearly up for revenge, so a balanced view of this result would be that once in a while a team from lower down shows its class and punishes you. It's clear that in the case of both goals , our defence was outwitted, which is the worrying thing. I remain convinced however that this season is different and that we will deliver our very best to try and get there. Liverpool and Manciti are on fire at the moment and Chelsea are quietly winning games. Let's see what reserves of chutzpa, for want of a better word, the team have, and what OGL can bring in in the next 48 hours by way of reinforcements. We have done really well thus far. I'm disappointed that Wenger has been given a new contract rather than his P45, but he's rather beside the point since he was never going to pick the side up when it was down anyway. The squad's enthusiasm this year is self generated. Disappointed with Flamini's decision making, but he's not nicknamed Flanimal for nothing. A bad night, but we are still very much in the fight, and that hasn't happened in a very long time.

  106. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 29, 2014, 14:44 #44831

    How many times have we heard that, failed to consolidate, maybe it's a case of weren't allowed to as Southampton thoroughly deserved their point if not more. At the end of the day it's two points dropped two precious points and has opened the door for the blue mancs and the chavs, well certainly left it ajar anyway, who's fault is it this time? the ref again or the team arriving late and not being mentally prepared, or just complacency. Maybe we all need to get back in our box and stop getting carried away for the time being anyway. Lets hope the mancs and chavs return the compliment tonight i wouldn't bet on it but i wouldn't be all that surprised especially after we've done it and then we'd see just how precious those dropped points were. But if no favors are returned and we do find ourselves second or third it just might force OGL into strengthening as someone has already pointed out there's nothing like the threat of his precious CL place to force his hand as this is his favorite time in the transfer market.

  107. BADARSE

    Jan 29, 2014, 14:36 #44830

    Afternoon Ron. I take your point regarding the physiques of a number of players, I don't place quite the emphasis on it that you do, but I do believe it's probably a contributory factor. I think our much regaled pitch has a lot to answer for. It is a weave of real grass and a synthetic fibre with a firm foundation. It is why our pitch is akin to a billiard table all season, but it almost certainly impacts on the players' bodies throughout the season. Yes many teams had minders, I remember Freddie talking of Lauren threatening anyone who upended him, he was his protector. There are so many considerations in all this. It is why I baulk at sweeping generalisations as remedies both in football, and in life. You buy a player Cazorla. He is integrated into the team's structure and playing style. He returns dividends. Yet in his tracking back, tackling, work rate you could reasonably expect more. You persevere hoping these areas will improve. It becomes a switchback due to injuries and loss of overall form. Will he ever get it? Do we live with those drawbacks? It is a constant juggling act, decision making is sidestepped as the fixtures and injuries come thick and fast. Managing is a difficult job. I seriously question most fans appraisal of the credentials requisite to being a manager of one of the biggest clubs in the world.

  108. Ron

    Jan 29, 2014, 14:16 #44829

    BADARSE - If some body had enough time to waste comparing Clubs injuries across a season, id venture ours are no worse than any others in number and type, but maybe the duration of the injury absences would be shown as far longer at Arsenal. This, in my view comes with reliance on small, fleet footed, light players as Wenger has insisted on for years.Its an OK theory of his except it doesnt work in english football. The conditions arent right and the game is too physical for it. The injuries are therefore more acute for such players when we get them. The problem is exacerbated by Wenger not mixing such players with physically capable ones. Youre Ozil, Rosicky types need an enforcer, a Gattuso type or two. Such a player not only does the sticking the boot in where needed and wins the ball, but also deters opponents from taking liberties just by their presence hence the hits arent so frequent. The trouble is such players are rarely 'choir boys' which for years has meant Wengers 'no entry, youre barred' sign has stopped us having them for so, so long now.In this regard there is a case for saying that the Club is the author of its own misfortune on the injury front. Flamini is a sop to the need for this type, but in truth hes isnt much of a player, isnt so physically strong himself. Hes a bit of a headless chicken. He always was. To make the point, your lightweights shdt be tackling at all hardly ie Kelly and Storey did it for George and Armstrong and Graham, all 3 none to keen on the heavy stuff. Talbot did it for Brady and Rix, Petit and Vieira did it for the invincibles and so on and on. Its basic coaching and management and its a policy that been lacking since Paddy and Edu left. Frankly its pathetic management and sint going to change any time soon. Its one of the main planks (alongside quite a few others not the subject of this post) for my view, that Wengers time is up and has been for 3 years, whatever this season brings.

  109. Enfield Eric

    Jan 29, 2014, 14:14 #44828

    That's a surprise. Finsbury Joe's emerged from his month of mouring Tottenham's Third Round FA Cup exit to their bigger rivals. Back to the cheap end of the Seven Sisters Road with you.

  110. Bard

    Jan 29, 2014, 14:00 #44827

    DannyW: great point mate. New Puma deal, an increase in ticket prices and Wenger gets another bumper contract despite saying he would wait and see how we fare at the end of the season. Still no significant investment in the team bar Ozil. Anyone see Matic's awesome display a steal financially? Why don't we buy these players? We usually meltdown around Feb. After last night's lacklustre performance we more likely to be fighting for 4th than the title. Could Wenger end up with the dubious honour of being manager for the longest period without winning anything.

  111. BADARSE

    Jan 29, 2014, 13:50 #44826

    Goontown80 that is a strong statement that my observation of a key issue in missing Ramsey/Wilshere is nonsense, due to the fact you don't see it as a natural occurrence. You claim it's dereliction of duty by Arsene Wenger for overplaying them, as I wouldn't suggest that for a moment my view is dismissed as nonsense? Well I think it is a manager's duty to protect all his players wherever and whenever possible. If you have key men in a squad and they are young what do you suggest should happen, restrict their playing time? This is done in a limited fashion, but isn't always possible. If we had two dozen top class finished articles as a playing squad then you could more easily switch men. However our squad is a combination of older heads, men in their prime age-wise, and younger developing players. Two of the latter are the two in contention. Had Ramsey been pulled during his extended purple patch there would be many bitching over that decision. You cannot have it both ways! Thank you for the consideration Gare K, you instantly earned 'Brownie points'...seriously buddy.

  112. the denver kid

    Jan 29, 2014, 13:42 #44825

    why buy a new midfield player when diaby will be fit in may

  113. Bournemouthgooner

    Jan 29, 2014, 13:41 #44824

    That was myself and my friends in the box. You should have seen the saints fans going at us! Two of the saints fans so desperate for a scrap they ended fighting each other and both got arrested. It was hilarious but the secruity were worried and moved us to the players box. Fair play to the security though. They were apologising for the behaviour of their own fans, which was quite disgusting in fairness. Middle aged men and some women with no self control and or class. All we did was celebrate our goals. Not a bad point though considering we didnt get going at all.

  114. DannyW

    Jan 29, 2014, 13:26 #44823

    If you take this season in isolation we are doing well and if anything are over achieving. It is the previous eight that has caused the problem where third/fourth place has been celebrated as success. With a season ticket hike and Wenger's fat new contract how about financial fair play for us supporters???

  115. Peter Wain

    Jan 29, 2014, 12:59 #44822

    Same old Wenger will dither about and buy no one. Should have acted before now.

  116. jjetplane

    Jan 29, 2014, 12:51 #44821

    John Gooner Totally agree with the JW/Ozil comparison and the Santi/Ozil 'cloning' condition. More worried about the 'tired out' narrative that becomes an early year default as we move into deep waters. Do remember Jack giving Ozil a .... stare coupla of weeks back. That told a story. Am a big fan of Ozil but 'scruff of the neck' football is not in his game. Heres' clutching.

  117. Highbury Boy

    Jan 29, 2014, 12:45 #44820

    I know it's not nice but every so often we fans need a reality check. I've said it before but our performance and results this season v last against the corresponding teams have been virtually the same. Uncannily similar. For example we scraped a narrow 1-0 win at Newcastle, had a tough home draw v Everton,a narrow defeat at Manu and last night we had a poor performance at Southn (exactly like last year) where we again came away with just a point from a team enduring some bad form. I have said throughout the season that we are set on course for 3rd or 4th position and if you take into account that we have the same manager,same tactics and only Ozil and Flamini were dly added to a squad which had a number of departures we can expect nothing different. AW and the Board will only buy this week if they think the valuable Top 4 place is in jeopardy. With Flamini's suspension,Ramsey's thigh injury and Wilshere's ongoing ankle problem it is now more likely that we will see another midfielder than a striker.

  118. John Gooner

    Jan 29, 2014, 12:37 #44819

    I think it's clutching at straws in to say Ozil 'got going' in the second half. A man with his price tag and reputation should be grabbing these games by the scruff of the neck a la Wilshere in the last 5 games. The biggest miss last night was Jack, he has been absolutely superb recently when almost everyone else has been poor. Flamini's sending off wasn't an inconsequential piece of bad luck/judgement, he was clearly getting frustrated at the fact that our midfield was being completely overrun - by a midfield that cost less than Ozil to put together - and kicked out. The movement was criminal throughout, no one looked like they wanted the ball. I'm not sure that you can have Cazorla and Ozil in the same team, especially as neither 'do' defending. A typical Cazorla-Ozil combination - backflick, clever turn, lobbed pass, volleyed back flick, nutmeg, blind sideways pass, tame loss of possession with no track-back from either.

  119. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Jan 29, 2014, 12:33 #44818

    "1st half worst Arsenal performance ever under Wenger" spouted the fount of all knowledge, the BBC's Jonathan Legard. Obviously forgotten being 1-5 down at HT Old Trafford 2001 then. Or 0-4 down after 30 minutes at Reading last season. Still, they gotta hype it up haven't they.

  120. Seven Kings Gooner

    Jan 29, 2014, 12:19 #44817

    Hi Ron I was hoping this season would not end up like the last seven but bit by bit you can see it coming. The injuries (Ramsey could be out for another 6 weeks)have started and of course squad weaknesses are rearing their ugly head coupled with the standard mantra that "my players are tired" will be heard after most matches for the next four months. I shall take a long hard look at the current PL table because this may be the last day we sit at the top for quite sometime.

  121. Bard

    Jan 29, 2014, 12:04 #44816

    Fair report Kev. I don't think he will buy in the remaining window because I don't think he really believes we can win it. There's not much point on buying if that's the case. On last nights evidence there are a serious question marks over the quality . To my mind we lacked pace and power. I fear we'll get brushed aside by the quality sides due up in a week or so. Wengers whingeing about scheduling suggests he's feeling the pressure.

  122. jjetplane

    Jan 29, 2014, 11:57 #44815

    Listening on the radio the pundits were describing first half as 'worst Arsenal performance under Wenger'. Good that Ozil got going in the second but though Arsenal got two quick goals again (what is that about) I thought it was heading for a 4-2 for the homers and that would probably be a fair result. Just like to get context afloat as Wenger has/is signing a 24m contract before the season has even begun to get serious. If this happens now and the season goes into fizzleland, what next. I know we have some kids and Podolski who appear to register the same kind of exhuberance seen by the Saints team when flying towards the opponent's goal so why do we play grandad Arteta with an off Flamini (3 match suspension)? Did Wenger simply think we could soak it up and then do the current two goal blitz event? A very difficult game but the first half dragged some of us back to the laughter of old as that Emirate brand of capitulation began to kick in. Palace really is a massive game and whats the bets for 2 goals in the second half .... If Citeh win tonight then they will be looking like a Bayern type winning machine without even mentioning Chelski. If it ends with us scraping third, is that really enough for someone on that sort of contract. Leaves me cold.

  123. Quillie

    Jan 29, 2014, 11:53 #44814

    Am I the only one who has noticed that Carzola is absolutely awful when it comes to tracking back and getting involved in the defensive side of the game? Players always seem to get past him with ease, which is hardly surprising given how small he is. As regards Podolski, I don't think Wenger trusts his fitness levels; I read somewhere that he played most of last season with an ankle problem, and now apparently he still hasn't completely recovered from the injury he picked up against Fenerbache, which is worrying given how long ago it happened. I think the problem is that, as good as he is, he just can't stay fit.

  124. jeff wright

    Jan 29, 2014, 11:28 #44813

    As with the Everton game we undeservedly ,on the run of play, took the lead, but only to collapse again shortly after like a hot-air balloon pierced by shrapnel. Once Southampton equalized we went back to struggling like we did in the first half. Our squad just does not have the overall strength to win the league,end of. Last ditch desperation tackles and some good reaction saves from Chesney ,his positional play overall is still dodgy though , help to make the defensive stats look good ,but in reality this team has no idea of how to control a game by shutting it down . We are like City and depend on out scoring opponents.We don't have their fire-power though and physical presence. Flam is looking exposed in his hard-man role . I can't see anything other than wins tonight for City and the Chavs whatever advantage we may have gained from these pair playing one another next Monday night has been nullified by last night's result . That rainy day has not yet arrived for us ; but it will come. I don't think the Puma deal and Wenger's new contract being unrolled by slippery Ivan,the man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing was as I suggested before any coincidence either. Wenger and Ivan are like a pair of punch drunk boxers - you can see their moves coming. Wenger was supposedly going to wait and see how things worked out before deciding on signing a new contract. So why the sudden change of mind ? Anyone having already read the book before knows the answer to that question .

  125. Ron

    Jan 29, 2014, 11:13 #44812

    SKG - The writings on the wall mate for the FAC. Yes, its easily the best chance of a pot, but, Wengers groaning like an over worked sludge pump about fixtures, the Club have made it category B to follow. Its a blatently weak team v Liverpool i predict or at best, a decent team with players 'rested' but instructed not to try any heroics i.e a '3rd gear show' of the type we ve specialised in for years. By then those players heads will be so drummed full of being told theyre tired (whether they are or not) due to fixture congestion, their legs will feel like lead. Its all abaout Wenger getting his excuses in early, which hes also specialised in for years.

  126. Gunner SA

    Jan 29, 2014, 11:12 #44811

    What were the exchanges between the executive box fans and fans in the regular seats about Kev? Will be a point gained if Man City and Chelsea doesn't win tonight.

  127. Gare K

    Jan 29, 2014, 11:12 #44810

    A fair result in my view. We did well to get a point after a poor first half ‘performance’. Disappointing that we switched off not too long after making it 2-1. Like many, I’m not a fan of the Arteta-Flamini axis and for me, Wenger has to ditch one and revert back to 4-3-3 for good not occasionally. Flamini deserved his red card. Anyone who thinks it was harsh or will defend it is bonkers (I could say something much stronger but I know BARDARSE, nice chap as he is will pull me up so I’ll tone it down). I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again and echo the thoughts of many fans that Wenger has to strengthen in the remaining days of this window in whatever ways he can. Waiting for the walking wounded as I predicted has been to Wenger’s detriment yet again (i.e. Ramsey) but then this is Arsene Wenger, the man who very rarely or hardly admits to mistakes, thinks he’s right all the time and doesn’t feel the need to be questioned in a constructive manner by anyone. I expect us to lose top spot tonight and not to regain it for the remainder of the season. The collectives at Man City & Chelsea are too powerful and much more experienced than ours for us to overcome them and in truth we’ve done well to keep in touch with them. The missed opportunity to go seven points clear at the top just before Christmas is now starting to bite. I warned previously that any dropped points by us would have our rivals sniffing blood and I have no doubt that both will seize the opportunity. But let’s see what the final three months of the season would bring on all fronts. Up The Arsenal!

  128. Unchives

    Jan 29, 2014, 10:59 #44809

    I cant understand why we just switch off. We do it again & again and with different players. The message is clear....we need an injection of a quality striker and fast....how many clues does Wenger need? He has the money now...no excuses! Ramsay's goals and hunger gave us that impetus in the first half of the season, we need something like this again and fast. As for Ozil....£42 million to pass the ball left & right. What a joke!

  129. Ron

    Jan 29, 2014, 10:55 #44808

    Westie - The defence had to do well at times esp in the last quarter. We have to ignore the chronic goalkeeping though that allowed their 1st goal. A weak header on his near post shouldnt beat a good keeper worth his salt. He was clueless as to where to stand for the cross ball and feckless in allowing the forward to get to it. A keeper coach will have roasted his ears and so should his team mates! Ive said it since he became the No 1. The keeper is a liablity and at best, back up material and the Club needs to buy a quality one such as Begovitch, the best keeper in the PL. A top keeper would get the defence close to being impregnable at times.

  130. Westlower

    Jan 29, 2014, 10:28 #44807

    @Joe Fitz, Podolski is at his best facing the opposing goal. Tracking back appears to be alien to him, shades of Berbatov? Preference seems to be to play him as an impact player when a goal is needed. Maybe he has physical stamina limitations (muscles/lungs/heart) because he's only completed 90 minutes on 4 occasions in 51 games since joining AFC. I think that stat dispels any notions of ill feeling between manager & player as he's carried on as he started his AFC career. He was about to come on last night when Flamini was red carded. Gibbs was then brought on instead to keep us the draw. Podolski came on too late to effect the game but I'm sure we'll see many more goals from him. Also a word of praise for our defence as it was only the second time in the last 22 PL games that they've conceded more than one goal. Despite the gloom no team has lost fewer games than AFC in PL this season.

  131. Ali

    Jan 29, 2014, 10:27 #44806

    I think that now Wenger has got his bumper deal, he will be mentally on a vacation for the rest of the season and the team will experience its traditional February collapse.

  132. Savage

    Jan 29, 2014, 10:23 #44805

    I'm not sure what the alternatives to Arteta/Flamini were? Ox wasn't fit, Rosicky never made the squad so must have been unready. Could play Cazorla central and Poldi wide, but would that have helped us own the midfield?

  133. GoonerRon

    Jan 29, 2014, 10:17 #44804

    There have been many times in the past when I've teared my hair out as we dominate a team but don't go on to get three points, in those games our opposition were rarely highlighted as lucky. We were incredibly poor in the first half but let's give credit to Southampton, they are no mugs and played exceptionally well - sometimes this can happen. We should take heart from the turnaround in the second half and also from our ability to take our chances. @ Joe Fitzpatrick - I just don't think Wenger trusts Pod defensively. This 4-2-3-1 formation leaves us slightly more succeptible on the flanks than last seasons 4-3-3 and he clearly thinks with Ozil now a shoo-in we need players who will work hard in tracking back in the wider positions.

  134. Chris

    Jan 29, 2014, 10:16 #44803

    On 24th December, Kevin siad that we needed 'an absolute minimum of 17 points' from our next 7 games, before the difficult run begins. Beat Palace at the weekend and we will have got 19 from those 7 games, and Soton away was always going to be the trickiest of the lot, current form notwithstanding. This results is hardly a disaster, it was predictable even.

  135. Born Gooner

    Jan 29, 2014, 10:09 #44802

    @Finsbury. Joe - is this the Finsbury Joe that we haven't heard a squeak from since we knocked the spuds out of the cup? You're a (sad) joke, welcome back!!

  136. Joe Fitzpatrick

    Jan 29, 2014, 10:00 #44801

    Can someone please enlighten me as to what is going on with Podolski? the guy is clearly one of, if not the best finisher at the club and has a decent delivery from the left hand side, why does Wenger refuse to play him on the left and Cazorla on the right? is it his work rate or something more between him and Wenger? as others have rightly pointed out Arteta and Flamini can't play together but in the absence of Theo Walcott could we not benefit from another regular goalscorer starting in the form of Lukas Podolski?

  137. Mike

    Jan 29, 2014, 9:58 #44800

    First half was pathetic - Ozil probably gave his best performance for the club in the second half and was sublime at times. Gnarbry had a poor game. Flamini being sent off basically condemned the game to be a draw - is it me or does anyone else notice that the goals are coming in twos usually within five minutes of each other and that is it. fair do to Cazorla and Giroud - they are starting to hit the back of the net again.

  138. perfect timing

    Jan 29, 2014, 9:52 #44799

    Contract extension signed while we are top. Now about to lose that spot to Man city and we won't be visiting it again this season. GSFMy

  139. Seven Kings Gooner

    Jan 29, 2014, 9:49 #44798

    A below strength team ground out a result - it is a good habit to get into. I think we should have our strongest team available for Liverpool in the FA cup, as this represents our best chance of winning a trophy. I do wish Arsene would stop moaning about the fixture pile up - it happens every year, just get on with it.

  140. BADARSE

    Jan 29, 2014, 9:36 #44797

    Arteta and Flamini struggle in the same side, which is generally accepted, but we had no choice. Both Ramsey and Wilshere, our two main men covering the dynamism in midfield were missing. The other player who may augment this position is the Ox, but he isn't match fit. So ultimately we were trying to fill holes. This happens and is nothing to do with squad depth. Just an unfortunate occurrence. It left us unable to ask their midfield many questions. As we do not posses wide men who can run at defences and stretch them or put them under pressure in those wide positions we allow them the runs down our flank. It was a difficulty throughout the first half that we failed to address. We came away with a vital point when at any given moment in the first half we may have gone two down and seen the game drift away from us. We talk of winning when we don't deserve to as a positive, drawing qualifies in the same way. A difficult place to go, a good side against us, a night game in poor conditions, limitations due to key injuries, a goal down, yet we found something, came away with a point and probably that unbeaten belief still intact. Thank you Kevin. A fair report again.

  141. Westlower

    Jan 29, 2014, 9:15 #44796

    Flamini & Arteta have played together 4 times, a 4-1 win v Norwich, supported by JW. A 2-0 win v Palace, 0-1 at Man U, 1-2 at home to B. Dortmund, these 3 games when supported by A Ramsey in midfield. Southampton's 2nd goal could have been prevented if Arteta had kept pace with Lallana's run into the box. They both started from the same spot approx. 40 yards out but Arteta's legs couldn't keep up with the younger man. It may work out for the best that Flamini is out for 3 games as Arteta can stay deeper as the sole defensive cover as his distribution remains good. We are at our best when a dynamic box to box player is in the more advanced midfield role. It was unfortunate JW & AR were unavailable last night but to be at our best the side needs one or both to be playing. Ox could also play that role when 100% fit. Our lack of genuine wingers gave their full backs licence to attack us at will. The teams non appearance in the first half may be partly related to the team coach arriving late, some 45mins before kick off.

  142. Finsbury. Joe

    Jan 29, 2014, 9:14 #44795

    A pathetic performance, Gooners the world over will be embarrassed. Pains me to say it, but can see a rejuvenated Spurs , Utd, let alone Liverpool eating up that gap. Wenger is about to extend, so he will revert to his old ways, tactical ineptitude, lack of emphasis on the defence, poor selection and substitution, afraid to buy proper players preferring kids and crocks, poor medics and injury management and non existent squad depth. I have said it all season, sixth place .......last night was the start of the decline. Gooners should be ashamed and embarrassed, and depressed at the thought of three more years of failure.....but guess the AKBs and crocks and wenger benchwarmers on 70000 per week will be ecstatic,

  143. Mike666

    Jan 29, 2014, 8:39 #44793

    We need some perspective here after 5 league wins on the trot and a depleted squad, there wasn't a lot of starting options available to us last night. Credit Saints too for playing well and playing a high pressing game. Ozil was superb 2nd half. We know we've got a tough run coming up, the media are salivating about it but we need to dig in and keep going with what we've got instead of feeling sorry for ourselves. I'm not banking on any new signings.

  144. Ron

    Jan 29, 2014, 8:37 #44792

    An Arteta and Flamini midfield won't win many games.Both OK players at best but aren't focal point players. It was a decent, though fortunate point at the end. Saints are a good side and should have won it in the 1st half. Arsenal had not 1 effort on goal in the 1st half. They looked as far away from being title winners as a team ever could be.They were always going to need favours from Chelsea and City to stay in the title hunt, esp from City and need one now. The spuds to claw a draw out of City? Possibly. The big crunch games are going to decide things over the next few weeks. On last nights showing, Arsenal aren't going to harvest many points from those games.They've just got to keep beavering away at it and hope for a few timely breaks. Still a stick on 3rd place finish for me.

  145. Sam

    Jan 29, 2014, 8:33 #44791

    squad strengthened - or weakened by the marginalisation and possible sale of our best goal threat, Podolski? We were lucky to get a point last night. Don't want to be unduly negative, but with all the (correct) fixation on winning the PL, has to be pointed out that this is not a good year to go on a bad run of results as the top 4 is way more competitive than in previous seasons too. Hopefully Wenger strengthens the squad (Ramsey's out too for ages too).

  146. John Gooner

    Jan 29, 2014, 8:28 #44790

    When will Wenger learn that Flamini and Arteta cannot play together? Arteta should not have been on the pitch last night, clearly not fit and a mile off the pace - He's too slow at the best of times. I could not believe the incompetence displayed in the way the team was set up last night, Inspector Clueless lives up to his sobriquet once again. Don't count on there being any new faces any time soon, AW has his new contract now so sod the rest of us!

  147. Tony Evans

    Jan 29, 2014, 8:09 #44789

    Am sincerely hoping that Wenger will surprise us before the 31st, and can only see the wheels coming off once again in February if he doesn't and the squad isn't strengthened. As for last night's match a draw was an OK result, but the first half performance was particularly poor and very worrying.