Finishing Touch?

Online Ed: Lost opportunity v Man Utd



Finishing Touch?


In a certain respect, this game was fairly similar to the reverse fixture in the autumn. Home team largely controlled matters, but did not have to be that good to do so. Not a great deal of solid chances, and a sense that something was missing from past encounters between the two sides. The difference was that at Old Trafford, the home team converted one of their few genuine opportunities.

Arsenal did fathom enough chances to have won the game last night. But a failure to beat De Gea, or a goal-line clearance from a corner, was compounded by headers going wide or Giroud’s failure to connect with a delicious ball whipped across the face of the goal.

We were witnessing two teams with different aims. United’s was to come away with something and if they could nick the game on the counter attack, even better. This was result football and ultimately David Moyes achieved the minimum he had set out to do. Arsenal on the other hand, although wanting and needing the win, were very conscious of the dangers of the counter attack after last weekend’s scarring. They did not take too many chances with numbers going forward.

Now I am not going to say whether this was right or wrong. But what the game did expose was how the side this season have heavily relied on the runs that Aaron Ramsey was making from deep. Although Jack Wilshere at times attempts to replicate this, he is less effective at doing so, perhaps with a natural inclination to play a bit deeper, or maybe, after Anfield, under instruction not to leave Mikel Arteta isolated too often. Walcott is another injured player who might have provided something different. Certainly pace seemed generally lacking. I also felt that Flamini, as the deeper player, makes the team tick a bit more than Arteta. He seems a bit more dynamic and keeping things moving. However, his absence was due to no-one but himself.

The Gunners had been handed a lifeline by Chelsea dropping two points at West Brom and Manchester City’s doing the same at Carrow Road last weekend. Even City having their game last night postponed worked in Arsenal’s favour, as they could be looking at something of a fixture pile-up if they continue their progression on all fronts.

Yet Arsenal failed to take the opportunity to re-assert themselves. They do not play again in the league until the visit of Sunderland, and matches against Stoke and (depending on the FA Cup) Swansea will give them the chance to at least stay in the hunt before the sequence of crunch matches begin in March. The Champions League is a potentially worrying distraction if only in that the manager may field weakened selections for the games around the Bayern ties. But then again, could players coming in do any worse than those that failed to score yesterday? One assumes Podolski did not enter the fray against United because Arsène Wenger was more concerned with not losing than winning. I suspect we will see a front line of Podolski, Bendtner (or Sanogo?) and Gnabry on Sunday in the FA Cup.

Arsenal did seem a bit lethargic yesterday evening, although this could have been that they were playing deliberately with Wenger’s metaphorical handbrake on. Zip and creativity were too easily snuffed out. Granted, Ramsey and Walcott are out, but should the side with Ozil, Cazorla, Rosicky and Wilshere be running out of creative steam? Goalscoring has not been much of a problem up to this point in the season, but there is a feeling it is starting to become one now. Realistically, to win the title, Arsenal probably need their top scorer to net 20 goals. Olivier Giroud has scored ten in the first two thirds of the league campaign and there are 12 matches left. He needs to find more consistent form unless Yaya Sanogo is going to hit the ground running. This assumes Nicklas Bendtner is not the answer to all the problems.

The highpoint of the match for the home fans was probably the halftime announcement of the travel problems that would face the away fans returning home, with trains out of Euston not running and motorway closures in the north west. Football can be a cruel game, although someone quipped that services to Surrey were running ok, so what was the problem? Of more general concern to United fans will be the state of their team at the moment. Mata has been added, and Fellaini came at the start of the season, but aside from that, the players that won the title by a street under Alex Ferguson have turned into… well, Arsenal. Their focus on clawing their way into a top four spot. And for that very reason, they were there for the taking. That Wenger’s men have taken one point out of six from them this season may well come back to haunt them.

However, for now, events have conspired to mean that the Gunners are still very much in the hunt and that the five points gleaned from the last 12 available, although not title form, have not killed off their ambitions. There is a feeling of a flickering candle at a time when we were looking for a roaring flame but there is still hope, if perhaps a bit less in terms of belief. Ultimately though, I suspect the real conclusion of last night is that Arsenal are not quite good enough. It was a ‘seize the moment’ kind of occasion, and the moment was not seized.

Before I finish, I am going to just raise the planned card display, organized by REDaction for the Bayern Munich home tie next week. I will mention this again in the piece after the Liverpool game and there will be a separate exclusive about it. The idea is to bombard people with the message so that word spreads and everyone makes a huge effort to get in the stadium by 7.30. That way, even the latecomers will make it in and at 7.35, a full ground will mean the planned display will not end up like a damp squib with half full stands as everyone arrives at the last minute. More details after the Liverpool game on Sunday, but please make plans to get in the ground by 7.30 next week and tell everyone you know who is going to do the same.

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  1. WHL87

    Feb 14, 2014, 21:10 #45833

    "don't it always go to show, you never know what you've got tip it's gone"......missing Walcott and Rambo big time - both of whom most on here would gladly have cast aside for not being good enough last season. Hypocrisy abounds on this forum - a long way to go and we are still in the mix and I, for one, would love to see us shove that Portuguese Hand Pump's words right up his Arsenal.

  2. Danny

    Feb 14, 2014, 14:44 #45808

    Guys, we all want Arsenal to win trophies and have the majority of the players to do it. However i feel the extra strength and mentality is lacking because the coach is scare and lacking now! We need new vigor to go forward, hence he needs to go now after the season Look at Manchester United. This team, players are Champions for Christ sake. What is wrong with them. Ferguson is not there and Moyes will take time to get his ideas across. We have a coach that has been there for years and is a old senile goat not willing to change. no clue in tactics and this tippy tappy play is boring to watch Liverpool have young players and a young coach who is catching us fast.Chelsea have a coach who is teh best at wining at all cost That is what we want, at or at least make a effort!

  3. GoonerRon

    Feb 14, 2014, 12:42 #45796

    @ Ron - all fair points. To be fair to Wenger he's been in the game a long time and perhaps used his experience to realise that Moyes would take a point at the Emirates, especially after the Fulham result. If Man U play in a compact way, in a game they're not expected to win, they can be very dangerous with the attacking talent they have on the break. I personally think that with all this mind, the manager decided to make sure we are sound defensively, had a good shape in midfield and not leave ourselves exposed. We still were trying to win it and created enough opportunities to do so. We'll only know at the end of the season whether it was a 'good' point or not.

  4. Ron

    Feb 14, 2014, 12:22 #45794

    Gooner Ron - Fair comments mate. I can see why the playing not to lose was done as well after the Liv debacle. Cd have understood it more had it have been a good Utd side. This is where Arsene isnt the old Arsene for me and that maybe his age has made him tetchy and pensive. Going for it v Utd would have perhaps seen them off and been a bit of a marker and a better restoration of confidence than the tedium match it was. I suppose the bottom line is we dont really have the quality in the ranks to brush sides off now as we once had. We do miss Wally s bursts a bit, even if only off the bench and im not his biggest fan.The Pod should get more outings for me. He can at least shoot, even if he is a bit idle in other aspects of his game (if thats what Wengers issue is with him). The game the other night cried out a few times for somebody to have a dig i thought. Its been years since we showed a bit of 'f--k it just hit it' mentality and it often works in tight games. Its worked for Lampard for years!

  5. GoonerRon

    Feb 14, 2014, 11:28 #45791

    @ SGRB - I don't want to get into the debate about should the team support or the team get the supporters etc - but merely making an observation that where I was in the stadium there were lots of people getting onto Jack's back. When he is out on the pitch there is a player trying to do the best with the ball - irrespective of issues with the manager/ticket prices etc - in that moment I would predict a better performance from Jack with that ball at his feet with support from the crowd, that's all. @ Ron - the respect is very much mutual my friend. I'm not sure I agree on the soft underbelly piece though. Fundamentally, the game is about acquiring more points than the rest over 38 games. Those games present different challenges at different times due to a number of variables. Sometimes you win 3 points by playing super, fast flowing football, others by grinding out a win when not playing well, and sometimes you win or draw in either of these circumstances. It's why Man C can beat Norwich 7-0 and draw 0-0 with them later in the season, why Chelsea lose 2-0 at St James' and comfortably beat them 3-0 at the Bridge. We've shown most of these traits over the season, but probably getting results when we've not played to our maximum potential being the most commonplace. I just don't see how you can do this with a soft underbelly. @tpm - I can only assume the manager made one substitution as he didn't want to risk the defensive balance of the team. Sometimes subs come on and whilst trying to get into the flow of the game don't track their runner, press at the wrong time etc and can leave us exposed. In my previous post I questionned whether, in the context of the Liverpool defeat, playing to definitely not lose was the right decision over going hell for leather to win, I'm still not sure I know the right answer. Do you know what though, I honestly think this 'Giroud looks knackered' line is a figment of people's imagination. Yes, towards the end of games he looks tired (and so he should be) but Giroud's running and pressing looked sharp from the outset of the game to these eyes. @ GoonerGoal - you're far more prophetic than me. All I can say is that, for me personally, I like a bit of hope and optimism, it adds light to my life.

  6. GoonerGoal!

    Feb 14, 2014, 10:04 #45787

    @ Westlower. "The point of living and of being an optimist, is to be foolish enough to believe the best is yet to come..." VIVE LA REVOLUTION!

  7. Westlower

    Feb 14, 2014, 7:58 #45783

    @tpm, Without the likes of Gooner Ron and myself the majority of you would be repeatedly posting the same predictable 'words of wisdom', convincing yourselves that your views are the only true & enlightened ones. If there isn't an opposing view to the popular consensus you would all die of boredom. I've been called many things, with the kindest being I am a deluded fool but I'll continue to post until the insults become too personnel. At that juncture I will go the way of Badarse and leave you to chat among yourselves. @Ron, Any particular slug you feel we should sign in the summer?

  8. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 14, 2014, 0:21 #45779

    Well at this late stage nobody seems to have pipped Ron 48662 for best quip of the day, although Where's Wally 48679 pushed him very tight. But what's this? just as the winner is about to be declared there's a late contender and it's Ron again 48716, just to keep the pressure on, with the underbelly of a garden slug. Sorry Ron your trophy is imaginary just like a lot of ours over the years.

  9. DW Thomas

    Feb 13, 2014, 23:54 #45778

    Another game to make a statement we are for real. Another chance lost. How is it this team is so ready to s..t themselves whenever we are close to winning something? Is it a reflection of the manager? I think it must be so. He picks the players, he makes the excuses. Again and again it's this or that reason why we don't win. Handbrake, fatigue, injuries, schedule pile up, referees, the field, etc, etc. at least Moyes said his team were mentally fragile, being honest. But, no, these young men are the toughest lads around, mentally, and the most gifted technically. Then how on earth did we not beat the worst United side since the PL inception? FFS, it's the same broken record! 10 years now! We do have it in our own hands though. Win the games we need to till March ends and we can win it. I just fear our manager will prevent that, somehow, some way.

  10. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 13, 2014, 23:54 #45777

    MAGS, well said but you know there's always an excuse, apart from the real reason, he's a cart horse and not up to the job.

  11. Ron

    Feb 13, 2014, 22:00 #45776

    Gooner Ron - We disagree and much matey as i do with Westie but respect both of your inputs on here. Just to say mate that many of us who have a right realistic go on here do sing from the roof tops at games. I generally only do away games now and only 6-7 of them per season plus the odd cheapo home game or if get a freebie!!. I find the booing at the Emirates embarrassing to be honest, but i can also empathise with those who do it, to show some dissatisfaction with the performances there. To hammer the coach and the team in posts on here whilst fervently supporting on match days are not mutually incompatible. PS As has been said, these barmy parallels being drawn between 1971 and 1989 and this flimsy lot now make me smile. Teams didnt f--k with us in those times. Now we re seen as powder puff - hate to say it but we ve gone like Tottenham have always been.Fair weather merchants. Pretty footie quite often, but the underbelly of garden slug!

  12. tpm

    Feb 13, 2014, 21:08 #45775

    westlower and gooner ron please attempt to defend the fact your master made only 1 substitution despite many players looking knackered and dead on their feet and being liabilities as they were so tired. likewise the lack of gnabry on the bench. come on please humour us. you panglossian and curates egg opinion are increasingly hilarious given most have been predicting this and the ultimate 4th place bun fight.

  13. Ken Dodd

    Feb 13, 2014, 20:55 #45774

    Ken Diddy Dodd...not to be confused with the dormant Ken Dodd whose waiting for Mandy Dodd to resurface! :-D

  14. Website Admin

    Feb 13, 2014, 20:43 #45773

    Some fantastic comments today which I've thoroughly enjoyed reading through on my train journey home tonight. However, one minor gripe aimed at people who are using multiple identities, including ones which are deliberately used to mislead by pretending to be another commenter. In our view this is trolling and you will be banned from making comments if you persist. We won't let a tiny minority spoil things for others.

  15. GoonerGoal!

    Feb 13, 2014, 20:34 #45772

    No Pace, No Penetration, No Power, No Tactical Nous, No Game-Changing substitutions, No Winning Mentality! I'm now fully expecting a "reserve" Arsenal team to be dumped out of the FA Cup this weekend by a full strength Liverpool side, Bayern to dump us out of the Champions League over two legs, and for us to win 23-25 points from our remaining Premier League fixtures. The question should be "is that enough to win the League"? but it’s more likely to be, "is that enough to guarantee 4th"? On present form, I fear it might not... WENGER/GAZIDIS/KROENKE OUT! VIVE LA REVOLUTION!

  16. MAGS

    Feb 13, 2014, 20:18 #45771

    Why do we all think Giroud looks tired and overworked, the guy is in his 20's, is an athlete and is in the prime of his life. Wrighty and Henry played most games in seasons and didn,t need a so called rest and thrived on next game. Smudger used to play in all 3 comps back in the day with replays etc before we played in Europe and Suarez works hard and don,t look knackered. I know we used to play 2 up front and Giroud works up front alone but tiredness seems to be the excuse for not scoring

  17. cyril

    Feb 13, 2014, 20:15 #45770

    All valid points, but it's the accumulation of mediocrity on the pitch against the startling rise in income of the club which has no balance. Do u think, grumblers like me can't see we are at the top. People are tolerant as long as it is reasonable to be so. It is reasonable to expect that we should win trophies because we have the firepower. Be relative. If Wenger stays another ten years without a trophy, is the argument that he is the most succesful less compelling ?I put my money down and have done for countless years and I want a clucking trophy - now that's reasonable!

  18. Ken Diddy Dodd

    Feb 13, 2014, 19:06 #45769

    Giroud has played a total of 10 games v Man Utd ,Man City and Chelsea since he joined us.Go on ask me how many goals he has scored against them.Thats 10 games remember.A great total of 0 goals.He's not an Arsenal centre forward.West Ham awaits.Take Inspector Clueless with him

  19. Prior to joining Arsenal what did I achieve ?

    Feb 13, 2014, 18:51 #45768

    some arsenal fans developed an inferiority complex and think without Wenger the club dies. The club has been good for Wenger dont forget that. It always was a great club with a great history. He has played his part in that history but he has outstayed his welcome and the snap, energy and verve from when he arrived has long gone and the team is a reflection of him. The club should have secured Martinez and may well regret not doing that.

  20. Highbury Boy

    Feb 13, 2014, 18:03 #45767

    Don't start blaming the fans for not being supportive (Post 48704). The crowd were behind the team for the whole 90 minutes. Even when Giroud was missing yet another chance the crowd sang his name and Jack was cheered even though he had one of his worst ever games. Yes there was a collective groan and some boos from the crowd left in the stadium at the final whistle but that came from frustration at seeing a relatively poor ManU defence there for the taking but Arsenal lacked the ambition to go for the 3 points which would have taken them top. The last few minutes were spent passing backwards. Also I'm getting fed up with ridiculous comparisons to the 70/71 and 88/89 sides. In both cases it was always just a 2 horse race (Leeds in 70/71 and Liverpool in 88/89) not as now with 3 other rivals. As others have said those teams had great character with superb captains. Yes there was the 5-0 drubbing at mid-table Stoke but that came early on in the September. It was totally out of character. Either side of it were 6-2 and 4-0 League wins and no other team scored more than 2 that season when I saw every home game and many away games. This year we've already been hammered 6-3 and 5-1 with some difficult games still to come.

  21. Danny

    Feb 13, 2014, 17:46 #45766

    Its funny to read people still making excuses for Wenger. The problem with Wenger is he will not go the extra mile to win the title. a stubborn arrogant Frenchman who should be put to pasture with his beloved Giroud and Ozil We will not win anything with this clown. I fear what will happen against pool this weekend as this team is mentally weak and are KNACKERED

  22. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Feb 13, 2014, 17:43 #45765

    @GoonerRon, I referred quite specifically to 'messageboard'. For what it's worth, the reactions at the stadium are a result of high ticket prices resulting in a changed demographic with different demands and expectations than the 'old school' fan. Specifically last night, the boos were aimed at the manager for failing to really go for it with his subs and tactics, or lack of.

  23. GoonerRon

    Feb 13, 2014, 17:21 #45764

    @ SGRB - I'd question whether the amgst in the stadium 'means and affects nothing'. Jack had a tough time in patches last night but you could tell the crap he was getting from the stands affected him - he was so eager to do something productive with the ball he tried too hard and did the exact opposite, as often happens. The hard facts are that we are 1 point from the lead in the league, in the FA Cup and in the CL. Whatever the grievance, whatever the odds of success, surely it makes more sense to generate a positive, supportive atmosphere in the ground whilst we are completely in with a chance of winning something this year? Booing a team off who just kept a clean sheet having conceded five goals just days earlier and who closed to within a single point of the league leaders has to be off-the-scale of ridiculousness doesn't it?

  24. Green Hut

    Feb 13, 2014, 17:01 #45763

    Where's Wally- Very true. Gazidis said 'at the right time we will quietly make an announcement' so as we have a run of 3 easier league games coming up it will likely be (save an FA Cup QF) just after we beat Swansea in 3 weeks time. Why spend big money on a striker when you can spend it on yourself, and the club are simply doing what the majority of fans want. Trophies would be nice, but Our Glorious Leader's continued presence is the number one priority, nothing else comes close.

  25. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Feb 13, 2014, 16:50 #45762

    @Westlower, the 'political infighting' as you dramatically call it is just people letting off steam on a messageboard. If only it was so important. There wasn't the internet in those earlier times you mentioned but I'd hazard a guess people have always disagreed or had a moan about this or that player or manager down the pub or wherever else. It means and affects nothing.

  26. Westlower

    Feb 13, 2014, 16:37 #45761

    @Ramgun, Did you remain supremely confident in 1971 when we lost 0-1 to Leeds with only 2 games remaining, one of which was at the Lane against a very good Spurs side (yes, I was there). In 1989, how was the state of your pants for the final 3 games when we lost 1-2 at home to Derby, then drew 2-2 at Wimbledon before the trip to Anfield? I salute you as you make my version of optimism seem limp! The main difference with both those seasons was the absence of all this political infighting which favours no one!

  27. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Feb 13, 2014, 16:28 #45760

    @Westlower. But you need to learn from yesterday in order to avoid repeating mistakes. Sounds like you're from the Wenger school where that's concerned though.

  28. Kenny

    Feb 13, 2014, 16:24 #45759

    @1971Gooner Podolski was signed before RVP was sold.He was a name and quite cheap at £10m (less than Forehead).Unusually he was signed early in the summer(not deadline day like Wenger normally signs players) to quieten the fans before the **** hit the fan for selling RVP to Utd.A cosmetic signing because Wenger has never fancied him.In fact i bet Wenger was glad Podolski got injured because he has hardly used him since he has got fit

  29. Ron

    Feb 13, 2014, 16:24 #45758

    Westie - At least youve climbed off 'title chasing rip roaring Gunners'to 'alive and kicking'. Thats some climb down matey!It suggests reality is sinkling in, even to your seemingly impermeable brand of optimism. Its right, we re a point off as yoy say, but we ve not played well for 2 months or more in truth, plus we re now at the business end of the season where wins count, however we get them but instead the usual crumbling of the edifice is happening as its done for 9 years.In the face of this Wenger has just performed his Nero act and fiddled while Rome burned.Its pathetic was last Sat and last night s puerile turgid show.

  30. Westlower

    Feb 13, 2014, 16:22 #45757

    @SGRB, Tomorrow is more important than yesterday. AFC don't have a monopoly on needing a winning run, as Chelsea & Man City also need to win 10 out of 12 (I'm assuming Man City will win their game in hand).

  31. Ramgun

    Feb 13, 2014, 16:18 #45756

    Well, Westlower, I knew we were going to be champions for every second of 1970/71 and at this point in 1989 we were three points clear with a game in hand and were leading Liverpool by 14 points! This season has nothing in common with 1971 or 1989 because those teams were traditional Arsenal teams - determined, physical, gutsy and not afraid of anything.

  32. GoonerRon

    Feb 13, 2014, 16:15 #45755

    @ Westlower - I was just writing a post almost identical to your last offering. The way people are talking you'd think we are rooted to the foot of the table. Granted, the performances of late haven't been of the class we'd have loved to see but things can change very quickly in football.

  33. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Feb 13, 2014, 16:13 #45754

    Westlower, you're right, it isn't down to those things you list, which are hindrances overcome up to now by a creative, goalscoring midfield and a greatly improved defence. But the 'pessimists and doomers' who look at the evidence and use precedence, predicted what would happen and, right on cue, it is unfolding that way yet again. Before, you would respond to the negative comments with 'last time I checked, we were top'. Now it's '1 point off the top'. Can you see the way it's going? Your 'need to win 10 of 12' comment suggests you can.

  34. Westlower

    Feb 13, 2014, 15:52 #45753

    Far too early to be writing the obituary of AFC, we are still alive and kicking!! Just to make sure, I checked the league table again, lo & behold, we are only ONE point off the top. Surely that can't be down to a tactically clueless, 'past his sell-by' manager, knackered centre forward, lack of pace throughout a powder puff team, overrated £42m player, beaten & broken invalids on the physios overcrowded bench. Hells Bells, we must be doing something right!

  35. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Feb 13, 2014, 15:40 #45752

    Oh, wait, but we play the greatest football ever though don't we...? Er, no. This present side are as one-paced and predictable as any of the sides sent out in the dog days of George Graham for sure. This present AFC side is like watching paint dry.

  36. 1971 Gooner

    Feb 13, 2014, 15:24 #45751

    That was not the performance of a title winning team, but come on – who really thought that we could actually win it this year, especially with the paucity of options up front? I too have an opinion on Giroud, but my concern is the manager’s unwillingness to use Podolski – “the best finisher I’ve ever worked with”. He’s got over 100 caps for Germany, scored just under a goal every other game at that level, and is costing us over £5 million a year in wages. It seems clear that no matter how poor we are playing, and we were poor last night, the guy can’t get a game. Who scouted him? Did Wenger personally approve the purchase (we assume yes)? Surely with Giroud breathing out of his backside, even though it’s not his preferred position, Podolski must have been worth a shot for the obligatory last 20 minutes? He can’t have done any worse.

  37. GoonGer

    Feb 13, 2014, 15:01 #45749

    Watched MOFD, and confirmed Girouds miss from Sagnas cross was a shocker. Does tiredness really allow for that?A thought on the comments,Kev. Is it possible to add likes and dislikes to the comments and main article?

  38. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 13, 2014, 14:31 #45748

    King Jeremy, the cart horse was exposed long before last night mate.

  39. johnnyhawleylovinggooner

    Feb 13, 2014, 14:26 #45747

    We are on the ropes and the failure to buy a forward has come back to haunt us.perhaps we could rest the tired French man and play ozil up front.tricky match last nite,and ,as all teams are dropping points,if we clear our heads,we can still be champs.

  40. stefano

    Feb 13, 2014, 14:11 #45746

    i thought man united were different gravy last night and i was over the moom with a point, as long as we get top four thats all that matters to me. big european nights in the champions league a must.

  41. Mark T

    Feb 13, 2014, 13:51 #45745

    It's the same old, same old as far as I'm concerned. Giroud works hard but is second rate. The team lacks energy and direction (where have we heard that before?). Every time Ozil looks up there's no one making moves in front of him, so he's forced to hold onto the ball until the midfielders and full-backs catch up with him. Another career ruined? I wouldn't bet against it. Everyone makes mistakes. But making the same mistakes over and over and over and over again, year after year after year after year, is simply unforgivable.

  42. jjetplane

    Feb 13, 2014, 13:50 #45744

    Nice one Nick T Let's have anuvver one! Westie - 10 out of 12 is serious bunker talk. Talking of bunkers - whatever happened to Badarse on the way to the races. Ps Here's to Us getting a result against Morpeth in the Vase! I may yet be going to Wemberleee .....

  43. Moscow Gooner

    Feb 13, 2014, 13:48 #45743

    I got it wrong in thinking that we would come back from the Anfield debacle to win the next three on the bounce but at least some defensive solidity on display, which was perhaps the key priority last night. I would count myself one of the AMG group - since about 2011 - but in the interests of consensus: would not even the AKBs agree that the board could, today, put to AW the proposition that if he fails to improve significantly on last season's performance in at least one competition he should go? ie we finish best of the non-moneyed clubs in the Premiership = 3rd; we make it to at least the semi finals of the Cup and/or we get to the QFs of the UCL. One of. If, after splashing 42 M on Ozil, we fail to progress further in any competition, what is the real point of prolonging the agony? We don't need to sack AW: we'll kick him upstairs as Director of Football on a fabulous salary - but at least get his hands off the team and prepare for a period (3 to 4 seasons) of transition. I would like to believe that I could see Arsenal lift at least one trophy - League Cup or whatever - in this lifetime... Set the guy some 'stretch' targets, now - and if we extend, only on a season by season basis against continued improvement.

  44. Westlower

    Feb 13, 2014, 13:47 #45742

    What do the £100m strike force of RVP, Rooney, Mata: Torres, Ba, Eto'o; Dzego, Jovetic, Negrado have in common? They all failed to score in their last match. If £300m worth of strikers can't find the net, why are we hitting Giroud with our big stick? Some believe Long, Doyle & Berbatov are the answer, please behave! Some Bob Dylan words spring to mind - 'Watch what you say because the wheel is still in spin'; The loser now will be later to win'; Don't criticise what you can't understand'. For the old farts out there, do you remember that very few believed we'd win the league in 71 or 89 at this stage of the season. Come May let's hope we can sing another Bob Dylan line - 'It's all over now, (baby) Boy's in blue'.

  45. chris dee

    Feb 13, 2014, 13:45 #45741

    Never mind that 'squad rotation' s**t, the best team available should be fielded against Liverpool.We are crying out for a trophy and four wins get's us the FA Cup.Yeah I know it's not that simple but it's a bleedn' lot simpler than dreaming we are gonna win the Champions League or The Premiership where Arsene and the club just seem to be happy that we are still in the race and are starting to play the gallant loser card yet again. I really do love the bloke,but tops clubs are obliged,yes obliged to win silverware.I am old enough to remember many lean years at Highbury but we are now in a ruthless new era where the cash for trophies clubs like City and Chelsea will leave us behind.It can't be allowed to happen any longer.The F A Cup is a must this year.

  46. Where's Wally is a Gooner

    Feb 13, 2014, 13:31 #45740

    Cheer up. Silent Stan is just about to pay Wenger £25 million to sit on his backside looking lost for the next three years. You've got to hand it to the manager, it could be the biggest heist this country has ever seen.

  47. allybear

    Feb 13, 2014, 13:26 #45739

    Nick T i really enjoyed your comments which are spot on. The latest is that the players were nervous,what a laughable comment from AW,he just keeps getting worse. We are desperately in need of a new younger manager to really lift the club and get serious about winning trophies.

  48. jjetplane

    Feb 13, 2014, 13:24 #45738

    Picture above tells me everything. looks like a clumsy donkey who has criminally let himself be indulged (like Bender boy) at a club who I foolishly presume have football ambitions. Maybe the only thing that matters these days is selling mugs and tea shirts in the east - only time I remember seeing Wenger truly light up. Wenger is talking of big changes for the weekend. After the Scouser's heroics last night let's hope the changes more than the corruption currently on show. I wonder if some people really care about Arsenal when they still persist in toeing the line with this fabrication. Get's even worst when you see someone like Sherwood getting it all from Adebayour and yet we have seen Wenger give up the fight with players time and time again. Podolski should be given a run while Giroud could do with a run in the reserves as a reality check. How ridiculous is it having a hard working player who has no effect on a match's outcome. I predict Giroud will also be at Palace leading the line with Cham. Just saying/just being truly positive.

  49. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 13, 2014, 13:24 #45737

    It looks like Ron 48662, is again favorite for quip of the day with his reference to OGL's holy grail. Will it be matched or beaten before the days out?

  50. DJ

    Feb 13, 2014, 13:01 #45736

    Westlower: Positive as you always are, a trait to be admired, even you can't possibly believe this team will win 10 of last 12 games???

  51. El Bodgeo

    Feb 13, 2014, 13:01 #45735

    Giroud couldn't score in a broth..oh wait.

  52. Peter Wain

    Feb 13, 2014, 12:59 #45734

    Same old story we get so far and then blow up. Why oh why are we offering new contract to s manager who has won nothing in 10 years. Every transfer window is the same we start out looking a "top top" quality and are lucky if we sign a free transfer and usually they are injury riddled. By next week we will be out of the cup and the champions league. More performances like the last two matches and we will not finish in the top four.

  53. Mark

    Feb 13, 2014, 12:58 #45733

    Nick T - I agree completely. We didn't necessarily need to break the bank in Jan but certainly needed someone, just a loanee would do. Our 1 player with pace is out for the rest of the season, we knew this at the start of Jan and still nothing. The loan queries on deadline day were just token gestures for me. There were 3 strikers that moved on the last day of the window, all with Prem experience - Shane Long, Kevin Doyle and Berbatov. I would have taken any of them tbh, I know we're not talking about world beaters but they all score goals in the Prem and 2 have decent pace which is distinctly lacking now, we look devoid of ideas and as usual it comes during our critical point of the season. Man U won the league a few years ago and the master stroke for me was the loan signing of Larsson. Our most successful period in our history was the 30s - the only time we've ever won the title back to back. That was also the period where we showed ambition, Herbert Chapman was innovative, smart and got things done. Wenger has been brilliant but is now consistently out-thought and refuses to address any problems. Every Arsenal fan could see what would happen last night, don't lose, play with the "handbrake" on and hope for the best. If the players are nervous because they were hammered at Anfield, that's Wenger's responsibility but he can't sort it and so here we are. He just has a list of excuses he recycles at various points in the season, exit from the Champions league will be due to a "slow start", we will fall out of the title race due to fatigue and then scrape 3rd/4th because our exceptional mental toughness and spirit. For any future posters, just copy and paste your comments to a word doc then you don't have anything to type this time next year.

  54. Bob

    Feb 13, 2014, 12:52 #45732

    I agree with Ron. Giroud's displays are the product of his manager's shortcomings, not his own. He is a very decent striker, and leader-of-the-line. While not in Suarez or Aguero's class, he is on a par with the Torres of the past few seasons and arguably RvP who is showing every sign of ageing premeturely, both a-top his head and in his waning prowess in front of goal. Thanks to Wenger's ineptitude have no-one to bring in, so Giroud has been flogged to death. There is no-one to share the load up front. Ozil, even if he had not dropped his game, is a deep-lying creator. Chelsea have Hazard and Oscar supporting their striker; even United have Mata, Rooney and young Janazi.

  55. Red Tav

    Feb 13, 2014, 12:45 #45731

    I prayed we could take advantage of the chelsea result against the worst United team for years. A top performance and 3 points would have been the perfect tonic to last week's debacle...opportunity lost then. How can we have 3 strikers on the bench and not one of them gets used when Giroud, who looked absolutely knackered, had spurned the few decent opportunities we had and wasn't getting any change out of Vidic...surely something different, surely a 100+ capped German international striker is worth 10 minutes? Or perhaps our Sanogo (who if fit enough to be on the bench is fit enough to play), a player who was eulogized by Wenger as a "prolific goalscorer"...but wait, remember "he's a bit of a gamble"...like Kallstrom then Arsene, just what we need. I am a fan of Giroud who (when not banging hookers into the early hours on the eve of critical games)is clearly committed, offers us something different and can be an asset in the right kind of game. Having said that he is clearly not up to it at the top level against the best teams, which is not his fault at all. Sole countability lies with the manager and his irrational, nonsensical and inexplicable failure to bring in the quality striker we have been crying out for since last summer. Nevermind the title, let's hope we can keep a resurgent Spurs and Liverpool at bay to secure that top 4 spot, I heard the 'pot' has increased for CL qualification this year so Ivan will be pleased. Arsene knows best.

  56. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 13, 2014, 12:44 #45730

    Hardly the finishing touch Ed, you need a striker for that and we certainly haven't got one of those, maybe if it would have been properly addressed in the window we could have taken advantage of the blue mancs and chavs gift, but i guess we'll never know or maybe we do,because he couldn't have been any worse than the two excuses for one that we have at the minute. Man yoo were there for the taking but i suppose so were we as the scousers showed on Saturday but apart from a couple of good chances at either end to nick it nothing much else. You'd have thought three points were ****ount to both teams but obviously not, especially us with tippy tappy been played in our own half with five minutes to go or less. A fair result for two teams who didn't want to win or lose the game but not much good for a team that want to win the prem, we do don't we?

  57. Green Hut

    Feb 13, 2014, 12:35 #45729

    And as Wenger was continuing to flog Giroud to death last night, Higuain was scoring another vital goal for Napoli. It's enough to make you weep.

  58. DJ

    Feb 13, 2014, 12:28 #45728

    Ron: Perfect analysis of Giroud, always gives 100% but sadly lacking in the imprtant moments when a world class striker would score. If, as I fear, we implode and finish fifth with no trophies I hope Wenger falls on his sword because with a little investment in January this season could have been so different.

  59. BRW

    Feb 13, 2014, 12:18 #45727

    As Red said in The Shawshank Redemption, "Hope can kill a man".

  60. Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon speaks from beyond the grave

    Feb 13, 2014, 12:10 #45726

    Gawd help us what a pathetic display last night, me thinks my beloved Gunners have forgotten the amount of effort needed to win the league, never in my day with the lovely Mr Chapman. Orf with that French Emperor’s delude head and orf with that American chaps syrup. It wasn’t the end of our season last night but the beginning of the end of our season. Another annus horribilis

  61. Westlower

    Feb 13, 2014, 11:57 #45725

    We need to win 10 of our remaining 12 games to be Champions. That'll give us 86 points, draws are no use. Man C & Chelsea look likely to end up on 85 points. They still have tricky games where points may be dropped. Liverpool v Chelsea (26/4); Liverpool v Man C (12/4); Man U v Man C (25/3); AFC v Man C (29/3); Everton v Man C (3/5); Chelsea v Spurs (8/3); Liverpool v Spurs (30/3); Chelsea v AFC (22/3). There are now 4 teams in the chase.

  62. Ron

    Feb 13, 2014, 11:55 #45724

    No one in the right mind would criticise Giroud. The guy has worked his nads off all season.Its not his fault hes been loaded with all the burden of scoring, thats the idiot coach's fault. Hes not quality enough, but hell, if the others had half of his graft and application we might still yet succeed, despite Wenger. We need a massive effort to stay in the Cup. Its vital for the players spirit. We know Wenger is likely to abort it though in favour of his hard on, unwinnable trophy. If he does so, its just another reason to sack him.

  63. WENGER OUT

    Feb 13, 2014, 11:50 #45723

    @ Mike - did RVP miss or was Sir Chesney awarded MOTM for a reason? At least he hit the target.

  64. Tony Evans

    Feb 13, 2014, 11:44 #45722

    Giroud was / is clearly exhausted, and you have to admire the effort he puts in; however as so many of us have said he is not top marksman material and should be no more than a squad player. The fact that Wenger failed to land a decent striker (or two) in the summer is now becoming an even bigger issue as the goals dry up from midfield. Pace and power have virtually disappeared from the team and didn't that show last night. I suppose the best that can be said is that at least we didn't lose and are still very much in touch at the top. For how much longer though is anyone's guess.

  65. GoonGer

    Feb 13, 2014, 11:30 #45721

    Got to agree with you Kev, on most of that analysis.I said to my mates before the match last night that I feel " The Baw is about to Burst" and I just don't see where the goals are going to come from! I have little confidence in Giroud finding the net, yes I love the big guy,but we can see his limitations. Which means we are relying on Santi which is too much for one man. And lets sort this captaincy nonsense out once and for all too and give it too the Big German. Too me Arteta shouldn't be on the park never mind being skipper

  66. Mike

    Feb 13, 2014, 11:28 #45720

    Whilst Giroud might quite rightly take flak with his performance last night, this can be balanced by the fact the opposing striker who has a far more lethal reputation missed three far easier opportunities.

  67. Nick T

    Feb 13, 2014, 11:24 #45719

    For me last night was the acid test as to whether we had a chance to win the title this season. The Liverpool result in itself was not terminal but I felt our response to such a setback would be decisive and I for one just don't believe we can do it anymore (In my heart Ive not believed it since 11pm January 31st!). We had to buy or loan a couple in January and everyone knew it including Wenger...putting in a couple of loan requests for hasbeens on the final day is pathetic! Gross incompetence in the transfer window without question, but whats worse is we've been here many times before. Isnt the definition of insanity to keep doing the same things and expect different results? Arsene simply won't learn and is not willing to change and its hurting our club on the pitch. I am an Arsenal fan NOT an Arsene fan, so for all those AKB who dissmiss the above a) you are blinded by your love for our current leader and b) I really cant wait until Arsene leaves cos then perhaps you will all f*ck off and support whoever he manages next! Cheerio

  68. Unchives

    Feb 13, 2014, 11:20 #45718

    Yet another opportunity missed. Where were the players reaction that Wenger promised after the Liverpool match. We've reverted to type, lets get ready for 4th place celebrations.

  69. Danish Gooner

    Feb 13, 2014, 11:02 #45717

    Zero goals against pool and Manure in open play.Pool playing one of the worst defnsive line up ever and Manure Samlling and Vidic,let us not forget that this is not the swashbuckling Vidic it is the Gus Ceasar Vidic and still powderpuff from Arsenal,we will drop like a stone now.

  70. Declan Burke

    Feb 13, 2014, 10:59 #45716

    Yes, it's easy to get negative, but the world and his wife knew we needed more firepower long before january, and Wenger failed to deliver, The question is Has this man the same desperate desire to see Arsenal win silverware as most fans ? Delivering a sole farcical signing is not ambition. simple as.

  71. King Jeremy

    Feb 13, 2014, 10:50 #45715

    I can only see positives from last night (no, really I can): (1) Ozil had a decent game. (2) With his performance last noght, surely there can be no more debate on the Gibbs-or-Monreal issue (Gibbs it is). (3) Giroud has (finally) been exposed as simply not good enough at this level. As for the notion of our winning the league, let's remember it's 4 points from 12 (and two abject surrenders)from the current top-four teams - hardly winning form! The Ed has previously posted how we are faring this season, game-for-game, compared to last - could we have an update please? I expect little difference. We are now just 6 points above THEM despite our "title challenge" and their supposed implosion. Suddenly those last 12 games look a lot harder. Plus ca Change!

  72. GoonerRon

    Feb 13, 2014, 10:45 #45714

    It was pretty clear from the off that we weren't going to commit swathes of players forward and risk being suckered on the counter - not hugely surprising given the defensive shakiness of the Liverpool performance. I also wonder whether the Chelsea draw the night before made this a go-and-try-to-win-but-definitely-don't-lose type of game. I'm not sure if that was the right decision or not as on one hand it felt like they were there for the taking, but on the other this point means we are still right in contention having chalked off two more really tough fixtures. We are definitely missing pace and runners from midfield - I'd like to see Gibbs be a bit braver - he's got the pace to get in behind the opposition full back and providing the midfield cover is in place, would like to see him really commit to forward runs rather than playing it safe too often.

  73. GET REAL WERE 4TH OR 5TH AGAIN

    Feb 13, 2014, 10:32 #45713

    giroud would be a squad member at any other top EPL club. instead wenger sets us up so that our entire life revolves around him. the fight for 4th has now officially started for us. we will be hanging on for dear life again. liverpool will ovetake us and spurs will come alongside us.

  74. jb

    Feb 13, 2014, 10:25 #45712

    No one can doubt Giroud's honesty or willingness to graft but we will never win a trophy with him as our front man. He would be a squad player with most clubs in premier league. Not good enough for Arsenal.

  75. Mags

    Feb 13, 2014, 10:19 #45711

    Come on Gooners lets not all get negative. We are still well in the hunt on three counts, we can't help the way these defensive teams set up against us. The double is still on (a record 4th) and who knows we might yet still spring a surprise in the Champions League. So please non of this depressive bull****.

  76. WENGER OUT

    Feb 13, 2014, 10:00 #45710

    You don't win a title with a carthorse like Giroud upfront - Was a single one of his shots on target? I'm beginning to suspect that he may be one of the worst finishers in our squad. The fact that the Ox was dropped for Rosicky instead of Ozil tells you all you need to know about Wenger and his pusillanimous attitude towards upsetting star players. We're more like a training camp for footballers hone their skills than football club these days - No accountability!

  77. 6OONER PETE

    Feb 13, 2014, 10:00 #45709

    No surprises last night. No pace or power. All very predictable. Groundhog day.