Back On Track

Online Ed: Arsenal make light work of Sunderland



Back On Track


It was in the reverse fixture earlier this season that Mesut Ozil made his Arsenal debut, and undoubtedly impressed. Six months on and Arsenal’s record signing found himself dropped. The player may have found it difficult to adapt to the Premier League, but with Bayern Munich as the opposition, there was less of an excuse. To get the best out of the player between now and the season’s conclusion is going to require some good work from the manager.

Olivier Giroud may have considered his own demotion to the bench against Liverpool in the FA Cup as something to be expected. Remaining there against Bayern Munich though, would have been humiliating. It seemed to work, as his performance in his return to the side was more like the player that was rattling in the goals when Arsenal were winning game after game in the autumn. I have previously stated that if the Gunners are to have any chance of winning the title, Giroud needs to get up to 20 league goals by the season’s end. Two yesterday took his tally for the campaign so far to 12 in 24 appearances with 11 games remaining. A purple patch is required, and some of it will be needed during March when the opposition gets tougher than yesterday.

Sunderland have done far better under Gus Poyet than Paolo Di Canio and have proved obdurate opposition to some teams. Fortunately for Arsenal, one suspects a little of their focus may be on next weekend’s cup final against Manchester City. The two relatively early goals killed the game stone dead, and there is no defence, if you will excuse the pun, for the second, a gift of a back pass which Giroud gleefully accepted.

The third goal by Rosicky was an example of how Arsenal’s short quick passing game can show dividends against switched off opposition. Unfortunately, such goals rarely come off when better teams have to be broken down.

Arsenal’s dominance of the half, goals aside, was pretty much total, and it was a hark back to certain home games when guest of honour Dennis Bergkamp was in his prime. Get the job done early and get your feet up for the last hour of the match.

Sunderland responded to what I imagine was a fairly severe bollocking about their opening 45 minutes by coming out after the interval with more purpose and commitment. Arsenal were a little weakened by the withdrawal of Nacho Monreal, meaning Bacary Sagna’s switch to left back. Although at 3-0 up, no-one was overly concerned. Poor marking at a corner made things even more comfortable as Koscielny made it 4-0.

Koscielny joined Monreal on the bench due to what transpired to be a problem with his back. It must be hoped that a few days off will allow time for both players to recover. Sunderland gave their traveling fans something to cheer with a corker of a long range effort to take the gloss slightly off the victory, as defences thrive on clean sheets, but a three goal margin at full time was perfectly acceptable.

Podolski did not score, but had a fine strike saved by Vito Mannone and it was a collectors’ item to see him play 90 minutes, presumably due to the fact two of the three subs were used for injuries. The team played well, and adapted to all the switches in defences ably.

It was a case of job done and Arsenal remaining consistent in not dropping cheap points, the reason they are one point behind Chelsea. Unfortunately, I suspect the late winner scored by Jose Mourinho’s team yesterday against Everton will prove very significant come the season’s end. For the Gunners, a win at Stoke next weekend is vital and it will be interesting to see where they try to squeeze in the Swansea match. I suspect the club are waiting for the likely elimination from the Champions League at the hands of Bayern Munich.

Should there be progress against Everton in the FA Cup, it would leave a run of weekend matches with home games against Swansea and West Ham to fit into a couple of midweek slots. That should not prove too physically taxing and some of the rotation we have seen amongst the midfielders and attacking wide players in the last three games suggests those that do most of the running can be rotated without significantly weakening the line up.

Obviously, Arsenal will need to produce results against the teams around them to retain genuine hope of delivering a first title since 2004. Many are understandably pessimistic, but it is up to the players to prove them wrong. Is this side a different animal from the others that have played since the move to the E******s? Arsenal play Chelsea on 22 March and Manchester City a week later. By the time those two fixtures are completed, we will know.

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  1. Ozzie

    Feb 28, 2014, 5:58 #46577

    @Westlower...and the times, they are a' changin....Gooners gonna win a cup!

  2. Westlower

    Feb 27, 2014, 8:29 #46520

    @Ozzie, Story in today's paper that some Manc had 'Moyes out' tattooed on his body. Perspective, perspective, perspective....The slow one now will later be fast (words of Bob Dylan)!

  3. Ozzie

    Feb 27, 2014, 2:46 #46519

    Hey Westlower, the Camus thing was meant as a joke. I have read of and have known many a footy fan who fell into depression at their team's loss - it is deadly serious to many.I see many of you over there have become "Americanised" but please don't lose that very British sense of humour.

  4. Westlower

    Feb 26, 2014, 15:00 #46501

    Ozzie, It's only a game of football mate! A good cry or swear will suffice as time is the greatest healer and there's always another day - the world doesn't end. You think football is an emotional tie, you should try racehorses & greyhounds. You have to come to terms with losing as it happens far more often than winning. Show humility when you win and fortitude when you lose. If that fails, then get the beer in! Avoid supporting your club through anger as it doesn't change the results one jot, it distorts your judgement & raises your blood pressure!

  5. Ozzie

    Feb 26, 2014, 5:31 #46466

    ..oops, now there are two Earthlings! Thanks Westlower. Hey, you haven't been beaming into my loungeroom have you? Beer? Sex? Yep, Maguiresbridge gooner, I have a sense of humour except when it comes to the Arsenal flopping at the end of the season and then out comes Camus: "The only serious philosophical question is whether or not to commit suicide?"

  6. Green Hut

    Feb 25, 2014, 13:14 #46404

    Chris- Yes he probably would if a choice had to be made, although it would be disappointing to believe that a club of our resources wasn't capable of achieving both in the same season. And with the greatest respect to Willow, I would argue that the relative distance that Dennis has kept from the club since retiring allows him to be slightly more objective re our achievements and aspirations. Saw Bob again after the game on Saturday, promoting the club in the best possible way, see Charlie often, just need Frank and Pat fit and well and back where they belong. Legends.

  7. goonerD

    Feb 25, 2014, 12:44 #46397

    Badarse: For an atheist familiar with Candide, you take a surprisingly Panglossian view of things: all for the best in the best of all possible Wenger worlds.

  8. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 25, 2014, 12:42 #46393

    Ozzie, no worries it's only a light hearted look at things and it's good to see you have a sense of humor. But when a player does enter the med center you do wonder if or when we'll ever see them again (Diaby) because you certainly can't rely on the medical staff or Wenger to tell you, (the truth anyway)or even tell you about the injury the extent etc, or give any indication when we might see him again(the truth anyway) that would explain why there's no news so we'll all just have to wait until he's beamed back down to planet earth.

  9. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Feb 25, 2014, 12:27 #46390

    Ron; yes, I agree, it seems to be treated nowadays if you don't have it people look at you like you come from Mars or something. Personally, Sky seem to have scaled their overall coverage down somewhat. Just lately we've been fed SPL rubbish and Barca/Real/Valencia every Saturday. (praps they are holding on to the end of season before letting loose). I do wonder if the money they've thrown at cycling has come off the football budget. BT Sport seem to have them looking over their shoulder too - though I must admit Sky's coverage is currently light years ahead of BT's fish & chip shop presentation. I agree, watch it in the pub, along with all us chaps who used to be able to go in person

  10. Ron

    Feb 25, 2014, 12:19 #46388

    We are building .... . Hi mate. I know. Isnt is just a bit sickening. The thing is, there s a perception now and has been for years that anyone having the temerity to be without SKY/VIRGIN/BT etc is lacking a life of sorts!. We ve many of us had it, still got it or thinking about having it or getting rid of it in fact isnt there. I can only say that for me, getting shot of it is very, very liberating mate. I dropped it 3 years back, though stil see the odd game in a pub. Never did take to it. The extent of TV coverage is but one factor thats ruining football as i see it, though so many other negatives pertaining to the integrity of the sport spins from the TV blanket coverage.

  11. Chris

    Feb 25, 2014, 11:38 #46385

    Green Hut - That resonated with me too and it felt quite pointed of Dennis to say that at the time, but there is a middle ground, which i think Joeos' Bob Wilson quote encapsulates. There's trophies then there's trophies - and i personally would certainly put CL participation ahead of the League Cup. I think even Dennis would probably agree with that.

  12. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Feb 25, 2014, 11:32 #46382

    [email protected] 24 Feb; I hear you fella, and agree with many of your points; but step back a touch; why do you think the last day relegation scrap is so hyped up? Because Sky think that god forbid anyone might be bored after 5 minutes of relatively nothing happening. Basically it is just the simple fact of "a team has to win to stay up". Showing the table "as things stand" after someone goes 1-0 up or down after 7 minutes is just feeding the hyperbole. Look at the scenario of 2012's last game: in bald facts: Arsenal need to match Tottenham's result to finish above them in the league. But in meeeeeeeeeedja land, that is transformed into what might happen, what could happen, what may happen in five years time, oh my god someone is clean through on goal, WHAT A SAVE oh he's missed an absolute sitter etc. It's no difference to Jeff Stelling coming in his pants at 4.45 every Saturday afternoon because EVERY game has to be a matter of life or death. How boring it would be for Sky if it was simply Arsenal won, and so did Tottenham. Arsenal finish 4th.

  13. Green Hut

    Feb 25, 2014, 10:41 #46380

    As the great man said at half time on Saturday, "There were so many good moments, games, goals, years, but of course, it's all about trophies". Dennis knows.

  14. AlexJ

    Feb 25, 2014, 10:36 #46379

    New to this site. All I can say is that BADARSE has probably named himself as such because he clearly likes to spend a lot of time up his own bottom. What a know it all!

  15. jeff wright

    Feb 25, 2014, 10:26 #46378

    DW Thomas, the style of football that Wenger coaches,I believe that it is based on Barcelona tika - taka thus the Barca- Lite tag that is attached to it,only works against sides with weak defences and results prove this. For me this is a flaw that negates these goals that we see scored at home against the Norwich and Sunderlands when we can't score any sort of goal against Chelsea,United and Bayern Munich .He is a great passer of the ball Ozil,shame about his spot-kicks! Wenger's teams are like an ice skater who can do all the fancy footwork and swerves but falls flat on his face every-time he tries to do a double pirouette . Joeos the stadium pays for its self the club accounts show this and that was always the plan. Tghe stadium makes money for us,it is not a constraint on Wenger spending money as you keep claiming. There is actually £120m in our cash reserves. Also why not an FAC win and a top 3 finish, don't you have any ambition at all?

  16. Westlower

    Feb 25, 2014, 10:01 #46377

    Lest we forget, who was recently voted Germany's best player? It wasn't Toni Kroos, Thomas Mueller, Mario Gotze, Bastian Schweinsteiger or Julian Draxler, it was our own Mesut Ozil. @ Bard, You are a bit previous condemning Sanogo before he even starts a PL game. @Joeos, CL qualification every time over winning League Cup. @Terry, How refreshing, well said!

  17. Terry

    Feb 25, 2014, 9:21 #46375

    I expect Arsenal to now go all guns blazing for all three trophies. The FA cup is the most likely with one home game and two neutrals to contend with. The title is a four way battle which I believe we are the best equipped. City and Liverpool with their awful defending and Chelsea with their lack of attacking options. The champions league is a long shot but still worth the effort. Arsenal have the defensive quality to keep a clean sheet plus one goal a half and it's up for grabs.

  18. Joeos

    Feb 25, 2014, 9:00 #46374

    Thus spake Bob Wilson: Would you really rather say well, we won the League Cup, but then not be in the Champions League again next season? I personally wouldn't. What Arsene has achieved with the financial constraints of the new stadium move, is truly amazing.

  19. Bard

    Feb 25, 2014, 8:43 #46373

    ITK: Ron. That is what a team with ambition would have done. Ozil wasn't a masterstroke as you say. Wengers latest journey into fantasy land is to compare Sanogo to Anelka to cover up his mistake. How ridiculous is that ?

  20. Westlower

    Feb 25, 2014, 7:47 #46370

    NASA's robot Curiosity landed on Mars. Early pictures show no signs of Sky Sports, beer or porn. This makes it very clear than men are not from Mars. @Ozzie, No definite news about Ramsey except a statement from Welsh FA stating that he'll miss the International game on March 5th, due to not being fully fit. No wiser!

  21. Ozzie

    Feb 25, 2014, 3:23 #46369

    @Maguiresbridge gooner: Thanks for the Cosmic excursion and good to know someone is still on planet Earth willing to respond to a question from the other side of the planet. Seems you lot still aren't aware of Ramsay's injury? I still have a hunch his leg is not right - why all the hush? Success minus him & Walcott would certainly be Enterprising Cheers from the Dark Side!

  22. DW Thomas

    Feb 25, 2014, 2:00 #46368

    If you haven't read Bergkamp's book, check it out. It is players like him why I played and now watch football. To be honest trophies don't matter all that much compared to a brilliant pass or goal. In fact I prefer goals ala the Norwich one or the one scored against Sunderland the other day. Team goals with great passing are the true beauty of the game. That is why I will defend players like Ozil till no end and so badly still miss Fabregas. So many players are posers and are athletic yet lack that intangible intelligence on the pitch. Class. The greats have it. Now I am not saying we shouldn't win some games by just digging in and scrapping a result. But I don't watch football to see teams park the bus. I am an admitted aesthete. Still trophies justify and reward that pure style every so often. Maybe more often than not. That is why people still revere the Brazil teams of the 70s. Or France in 98. Or more recently Spain. My other passion is film. And like football, I remember the truly great and moving films. And those aren't usually the ones making big money.

  23. ITK

    Feb 24, 2014, 22:37 #46367

    @ Ron, spot on mate. The Ozil purchase was a panic buy to placate the fans following the loss to Villa & the zero summer transfer activity. He had to buy a player, who was available? Only Ozil at the last minute. With those funds, a decent striker could have been bought. Instead we have another midfielder similar to all the others on our books. Except IMO, our other players ie Jack, Ramsey, Santi, The Ox have had to play our of position to accommodate him. Jack & Santi both suffered as a result.

  24. mike

    Feb 24, 2014, 21:24 #46366

    @Westie, yes it does show that it is advantageous to have a rested team . Maybe the Bundesliga's December break is the reason the German Teams do so well with the other favourites running out of steam along the way

  25. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 24, 2014, 20:51 #46365

    Ron, I'm sure it is an albatross around Sky's neck but they'll never get it off, as much as we all want to see us winning the league this year it will never better 89 no matter how it plays out, or how Sky or Jim White, who I'm sure has a carbuncle on his arse trying to emulate the great Brian Moore make it sound.

  26. Ron

    Feb 24, 2014, 20:08 #46364

    ITK - cant argue. Team never needed him and i'm not convinced the players really wanted him or see him as integral either. All we needed for the money and bit more was a striker. I still say 30 - 35 Mill plus Walcott wd have landed Suarez.

  27. ITK

    Feb 24, 2014, 19:40 #46363

    Has anyone considered why we won this match so convincingly, against a tram that have been recently well organised & drilled? I'll tell you, it's because we had 11 men in the field that were working and making things happen. The front players showed movement and found each other with their passes. Yes Ozil needed a rest but he has been disappointing. For anyone to suggest otherwise would be lying. I'd continue with him on the bench for the run in. I have no problem with that. Is he an impact sub, I don't think so, however that's where he should start if we have a desire to win silverware.

  28. Ron

    Feb 24, 2014, 19:07 #46362

    Always a good point to discuss gents, is this SKY interrelationship with the so called 'business end' of the football season. Both the top end and the bottom always seem to be now 'to the wire', the most dramatic (as defined by SKY tele at least) of late being the Manc Title win 2 years back. Almost as if they wanted to emulate Brian Moore and ITV of 25 years ago. Almost as if the latter was an albatross around SKY s neck or a carbuncle on its carcass that needed removing. Similarly the endless last day relegation scraps. All of this allowing multi coverage wall to wall reporting and camera shots from one to the other. Arguably the so called best league in the world isnt as competitive as it was in yesteryear as the levels of the Club cash reserves and income isn't near like them all having the same starting point, yet, no more titles wrapped up by Easter and no more of the clubs playing out seasons and using the last 6-7 games to blood players and try reserves etc. No, its all the drama, the last ditch, the gladiatorial face downs etc etc. Ever wondered why its so consistently like this? For me, if ever things were rigged, by the games paymasters, its occurring now. SKY and their like call the shots, fix and dictate the kick offs, fix the days or the nights teams play in return for the cash. End of season playing out time for 'place money'as was the case years ago, isn't for them for obvious reasons. I would be surprised if not only the above were fixed by SKY but also the choice of Champions, to a great extent.Couple this with all of these KO times and days being set to suit the far east betting trends and patterns and you've got corruption. In my view, footballs maybe as corrupted as is boxing now. Conspiracy theory gone mad i hear you cry! Maybe, but those of us whove gone to games for many years have seen much to support this take on things at grounds the length and breadth of the Country. Corruption is being flushed out more so each year. Its a matter of time in my view before the full extent of SKYs grip on football is exposed in all of its tacky, tawdry detail. As Jeff rightly says, SKY never echo or repeat 1989 however much cash they lob at this game of ours and for that i'm eternally grateful as one who was there that awesome night.

  29. jeff wright

    Feb 24, 2014, 18:24 #46361

    MG, Sky will probably promote it as Judgement Day or some such nonsense you are right through about it not beating 89. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge I hope you are right with your views on this new found resilience and hope to see it staring with Stoke on Saturday. If ever a side needed grabbing by the throat and throttling then that side is Stoke . The reprehensible baseball cap wearing fingers in his mouth whistling Pulis is gone ,but only to have been replaced by the equally dour sour faced repugnant old sparky Hughes. That cretin will try anything to stop us winning.

  30. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    Feb 24, 2014, 17:49 #46360

    Dear Wright. You are a man of firm opinions and broadly rational ones. There is clearly a differing kettle of fish this season because we are 75% of the way through the season and 1 point off the lead. We need to grow a pair, be assertive, smack Chelsea and Man City hard and grab the title. Last year such a thing would have been inconceivable. This year we would need everyone to stay fit, and Steve Bould and M Flamini to knock OGL unconscious and post him to the General Sorting Office in Wick in a big brown parcel marked "do not open until Christmas". I exaggerate of course, but it is conceivable that this team will have the gumption to put aside OGL's absolute determination to lose and actually smash their way home to the prize. They are different this season.

  31. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 24, 2014, 17:44 #46359

    jeff wright, sky super Sunday? i'd imagine if it goes to the wire with two or three teams still in with a shout it will be promoted as something a lot more dramatic and over the top, they'll make it look like the end of the world is nigh. All leave will be cancelled Jim white will be on all the screens with his tie matching the girls dresses licking his lips and shouting if the ball crosses the halfway line. The press will be battling it out to see who can impose Arsene, Maureen, and Pellegrini's head on something silly on the back pages. But what ever they do or say they'll never better Anfield 89.

  32. jeff wright

    Feb 24, 2014, 16:07 #46356

    Tbh Chris I don't see that you have this case that you keep going on about. I was merely pointing out that our results against the same sides that we played last season are no better this time. I know that this doesn't mean that we can't win the league because our opponents still have to beat whatever points tally we accumulate. However my view is that with our tougher run in in this second half of the season that we will not win the league but finish in our usual 3rd or 4th place. I believe that we blew our chances of winning the Prem when we lost the chance to go 7 points clear before Xmas at home v Everton lost away to City and dropped 2 points at home to Chelsea. Since then we have been under pressure and the Saints,Liverpool,United results have left us with a mountain to climb to win the Prem. A more realistic ambition will be to finish third ahead of Liverpool and thus avoid the dreaded CL qualifier tie in the summer break we need that like an hole in the head with some of our top players and probably new signings returning from Brazil.

  33. Westlower

    Feb 24, 2014, 15:47 #46354

    @Mike, Liverpool are living proof that a weeks rest between games is advantageous. Only Liverpool of the top 6 have the minimal fixture list. Ironic that AFC knocked them out of the FA Cup to help them. It's a shame City look like going out of the CL as our fixture congestion will also improve if we go out in Munich as looks likely. The title run in may be down to who gets the most players back from long term injuries. A relatively fresh team in April/May may be decisive.

  34. Chris

    Feb 24, 2014, 15:43 #46353

    Jeff - There doesn't actually need to be an improvement in the same game totals for us to finish top, does there? We only need to get more points than the other teams. So the same-game points totals you go on about aren't a measure that predicts whether we'll achieve your definition of improvement. Being completely oblivious to the points I'm making and consequently not putting forward a counter-argument doesn't improve your case either, I'm afraid.

  35. jeff wright

    Feb 24, 2014, 15:35 #46352

    Mike,maybe Liverpool are contenders for the title Ll , however the bookies are offering 7-1 about Rodger's side winning the Prem - same price as us . Even though they only have one game a week they still often make an hard job of winning it. Also they have the toughest set of games on paper with Saints away ,they beat Liverpool at Anfield up next , United away, West Ham away,City home,Chelsea Home, among them. If you think they are contenders to win the league in front of Chelsea and City and us then go and back them. City have Aquero returning and that could give them a boost . Stoke are not an easy side to beat at the moment old sparky has got them well organized so it was a good result for City to beat them given the circumstances even though the game was at Poundlands . We need to be up for it when we play Stoke away on Saturday because they won't roll over for us like Sunderland did .

  36. Mike

    Feb 24, 2014, 14:57 #46351

    Jeff- your post re Liverpool having an easy run in with no cup games is exactly why they are now contenders - 4 points off top, with both City and Chelsea stuttering (with all their array of forwards unable to get a goal between them). City have gone off the boil and Chelsea seem unsure what type of football they want to play. Liverpool must come into contention purely by the amount of goals they are scoring. (they've outscored City)

  37. Silly Billy

    Feb 24, 2014, 14:33 #46350

    westflower ur mistake was not buyin the who's wont get fooled again

  38. Ron

    Feb 24, 2014, 14:27 #46349

    Westie - And all great too. Ive never been able to take to Collins. Genesis, good band and all that but hes so agressively right wing (as i perceive him) i cant be doing with him. His 80s re modelling of himself as solo artist was pretty awful too.I cant see him as much of a singer in truth but hes marketed his own image of himself well down the years. His like would do well to remember where they came from.Rant over mate!!.

  39. Westlower

    Feb 24, 2014, 14:12 #46348

    @Ron , Not that lucky mate as I came from 'poor stock' I didn't own a record player until I was 20 years old. First album bought was 'Fresh Cream'. As compensation I used to attend dance halls (at least 3 a week)or concerts wherever live bands were playing (the days before DJ's became the big draw - go figure that one). I was very much caught up in the Mod movement and cut my teeth on such bands as The Who, Small Faces, Pretty Things, Georgie Fame, Everley Bros, Joe Cocker, Animals, Alan Price, Steve Winwood, Chuck Berry, Carl Perkins, Hollies, Geno Washington, Yardbirds, Hendrix, Pink Floyd, Gladys Knight, Zoot Money + a bit of class in Count Basie & Tony Bennett. In later life, Paul Weller, Talk Talk, Phil Collins, Chris Rea, Anita Baker (best female) & Andrea Bocelli (in a class of his own). If music be the food of life, play on!

  40. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 24, 2014, 14:09 #46347

    Ozzie, at this moment in time he's on the star ship enterprise after been beamed up from the transporter room at london colney, (sometimes known as the medical center)he's not lonely though he has Diaby, and others to keep him company while he waits for Dr McCoy to diagnose the problem, but he has to wait until the Dr's gizzmo is repaired as when he tried to use it on Diaby it blew up. And even if his gizzmo works and he's restored to full fitness we'll still be told it will be another four weeks. Meanwhile while he's there OGL has decided to take the helm and take them all for a spin around his parallel universe just for the craic, courtesy of jeff wright.

  41. jeff wright

    Feb 24, 2014, 14:06 #46346

    I would prefer City to win the league than Chelsea and originally they were my faves to do it . They do have a game in hand at home now though over us and the others - so it will make things tough for everyone else to finish ahead of them if they win that game and beat us at the Emirates. It will be close between them and Chelsea it will probably go down to the wire on Sky Super Sunday .Our games away at the bridge and home to City after could play a part in it all. I think that we will fight it out for 3rd spot with Liverpool .

  42. jeff wright

    Feb 24, 2014, 13:43 #46345

    That's an interesting bet Westie,you could be right in your assumptions judging by the remainder of the fixtures.

  43. Ron

    Feb 24, 2014, 13:34 #46344

    Yes, Jeff. Maybe so, but Chelsea and Manch City arent so impressive and omnicompetent either right now. Both seemingly breathing through their arses to sustain themsleves. As you know, im largely of the same opinion re our ultimate position, but such are the twists and turns, Arsenal cant for a second be sensibly written off totally though. I still think City will prevail. Ive got to stay with that as i suggested it in Sept. Sooner them than Chelsea any day. They do have the best players in the main and its usually the best indivs who dovetail into the best collective that wins the title isnt it.

  44. jeff wright

    Feb 24, 2014, 13:25 #46343

    Ron, Liverpool's dodgy defence is against them winning the title. Our run of tough games in the league and cups is against us with our squad and manager's predictable tactics . We have played most of our games against the cannon fodder of the league and Stoke away is the start of the run of toughies .

  45. Westlower

    Feb 24, 2014, 13:21 #46342

    @Jeff, There's an incredible 'insurance' bet on Betfair re a head to head on top London Club. The standings at moment are AFC 4 pts; CFC 2 pts; Spuds 1 pt. Given that AFC have to play away to both I feel they have got the betting wrong. AFC 2/9, CFC 3/1, Spuds 41/1. If CFC win both home games they are home & dry. I've availed myself of some 3/1 in case it all goes tits up. I remain an AFC optimist but I'm programmed not to miss a good betting opportunity such as this.

  46. Ron

    Feb 24, 2014, 13:16 #46341

    R/K - Youre totally correct about Eddie s goal. I suspect the generosity of our reactions were as a result of his horrific injury though, whereas a Shelvey is just a lad who went back to play. Its maybe not fair to make distinctions though on my part.The Everton crowd applauded us well when we won 6-1 there too, about 3/4 years back, even though they were very dispirited as was their team over the then Lescott issue which had arisen just before. Very psssionate, yet at the same time very rational and calm about their football are the Liverpool people ive found down the years. I go to Goodison occasionally mate. Its very refersing to go and experience a crowd who dont have 'top 4' as the be all and end all of their lives. Even the red half are like it, though obviously theyre a little more driven for it than the blue half.Its good to see other teams ive found as ive graually withdrawn from being a 'one eyed Gunner' down the years.Football fans everywhere could learn much from the scouse fans in my view.

  47. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 24, 2014, 13:13 #46340

    DW Thomas, I'm sure we'll find something, like the question that has been asked on here many times not all that recently though. Would winning something now suddenly make up for the last nine years and all that went with it?

  48. radfordkennedy

    Feb 24, 2014, 12:57 #46339

    Ron.regading shelveys goal I seem to remember we did the same for Eduardo when he came back and scored for Shaktar,but I get your point about the Goodison crowd I seem to remember back in 89 I think we won 3-0 and the stand where the players tunnel is(I don't know its name)to a man stood up and applauded us off the pitch,they had a good team then Everton but they weren't shy in acknowledging a team that played them off the pitch that day

  49. Ron

    Feb 24, 2014, 12:56 #46338

    Youre a lucky man Westie. Hard to say whos 'the best'as there are a good few candidates, but i think youre speaking of ones youve actually seen arent you mate. Cream - top quality though. Loved Floyd too. Pity Waters's ego (largely) ended them (at least with him as an integral part of them) prematurely.

  50. Ron

    Feb 24, 2014, 12:42 #46337

    Jeff - Im not sure Liverpool are really title challengers either. They will be soon though if they can keep this team together plus acquire a left back and a new CB or maybe 2. Sooner them than Chelsea or Utd, for me anyway, if we cant reach title winning level. PS Top quality how the Kop saluted Shelveys goal. Quality fans. Cant imagine one stadium where that would have occured other than Anfield or maybe Goodison Park.

  51. Westlower

    Feb 24, 2014, 12:32 #46336

    @R/K & Ron, I also recorded the Blues on BBC4 but haven't played it through as yet. Always liked John Lee Hooker & BB. Best English blues band I ever saw was Cream, with Jack Bruce, Ginger Baker (best drummer ever)& Clapton. Jimi Hendrix was in awe of Cream, saw him supporting them one time in late 60's and he stopped playing his own numbers to play Cream songs in tribute. Incredible concert with the original Pink Floyd as the opening act with Syd Barrett (crazy diamond), 'See Emily Play' & 'Arnold Layne' had been released by then.

  52. jeff wright

    Feb 24, 2014, 12:21 #46335

    Westie, my point was that Wenger’s bust should have been put up the club’s mausoleum alongside Herbert’s and others after he has retired from his managerial post. What is the point other than for a bit of ego boosting of it ? At one time such things were only erected to those who had died, but times have changed and idolatry is now running riot with as Andy Warhol ’s prediction that one day everyone wil be famous for 15 minutes looking likely to be proven right . The empty trophy cabinet at the Emirates says more about Wenger’s tenure there than a bust commemorating his golden years at Highbury does.

  53. Ron

    Feb 24, 2014, 12:14 #46334

    Tut Tut Westie - Everybody knows the Bard was a spud. My approved school was clearly better than yours. Its so obviously implicit in his titles mate. A Winters Tale, Much ado about nothing, Comedy of Errors and Midsuummer nights dream. Ask Finsbury Joe, he ll tell you!

  54. jeff wright

    Feb 24, 2014, 12:05 #46333

    Are Liverpool really strong title contenders Mike? The bookies go 6/5 City.11/8 Chelsea. 7-1 Liverpool and us. Liverpool have an easy run in than we do with no cup comps to play in and now look a strong top 4 place contender . As far as I am aware Mourinho, who is certainly no genius, has never lost a game to Arsene winning CL and domestic cup ties and a LC final against him . So obviously some improvement from Arsene is required when they next meet .

  55. Ron

    Feb 24, 2014, 12:04 #46332

    R/K - For sure mate, there would have been no Richards (KJ when speaking abaout Blues misic is great (- very passionate about the likes of BB and Howling W et al as youve so rightly mentioned) or MJ, or at least not with their Bluesy influenced stuff, partic the earlier Stones stuff. Dave Edmunds is back on the circuit you know, hes done or doing a new album and intends to tour so i believe. He s great. Really nice humble fella too, as most serious musiicians are i find.

  56. Westlower

    Feb 24, 2014, 11:57 #46331

    @Jeff, I'm out of my depth re quotes from Shakespeare as it wasn't on the itinerary at the borstal reform school where I was educated. Now, if it was a quote from Ray Parlour or Charlie George I could have replied with some real 'words of wisdom'. AW deserves his statue for AFC being League champions x 3 & FA Cup winners x 4 but especially for reigning over the best period in AFC history (never out of top 4)& steering us through the choppy waters of the new stadium project. AFC is currently 6th top seed in the ECL, challenging for PL & in 1/4 finals of the FA Cup, which contradicts the belief that we're not improving. When the new man takes over he'll receive the same unconditional support that I give to all AFC managers. I just hope we avoid the madness of hire'em , fire'em that is now endemic in football, partly due to the media craving fresh news & partly encouraging fans to revolt against their clubs management when in a perceived crisis. Thankfully AFC still set the standards of how a football club should be run & long may it continue. Good old Arsenal, I'm proud to say that name. Victory through Harmony! 'Twas ever thus' - the Bard should have said that, mind you he didn't have Sky/TalkSPORT to corrupt/educate his mind back than.

  57. radfordkennedy

    Feb 24, 2014, 11:56 #46330

    Ron..Top quality stuff mate,never worked out how BB could play so precisely and sweetly when he's got fingers like Pat Jennings,much like Fats Domino who something like a 10 key spread with his hands but had the touch of a midwife!,your right about influences as well ron,without people like Howlin Wolf,Broonzy and Hooker would we have got Jagger Richards or Lennon or one of my Favourites Dave Edmunds

  58. Ozzie

    Feb 24, 2014, 11:53 #46329

    Will someone post on Ramsay's injury - we don't receive much info down under.

  59. Bard

    Feb 24, 2014, 11:47 #46328

    Much of the debate and controversycentres on the issue of expectations. If we aspire to being the best of the rest, then the boss has done a good job. If we aspire to win trophies then the last 8 years have been failures (relatively ). The issue is that the club want it both ways they keep talking big 'we could afford Rooney' but then seem happy to trundle along as the best of the rest and show no real intent to become the club they keep telling us that we are.

  60. Ron

    Feb 24, 2014, 11:37 #46327

    R/K - That was on last night wasnt it mate? I missed it as i d turned in a bit early. BB was brilliant wasnt he. Cant beat the Blues can you! Lets face it, without the Blues, theyre perhaps wouldnt be any modern music and for sure be none of the great guitarists would there.The music stuff on BBC 4 is quality isnt it.

  61. jeff wright

    Feb 24, 2014, 11:25 #46326

    Throwing insults around and trying to prove pedantic points is not improving your case Chris. My comments on the results regarding same games, same teams played, as last season backed by results, such as the United ones, shows that there is no improvement in them. The only improvement that matters is actually winning the title you are the one going on about points - qualifying for the CL will just be the same again no matter what the points total is. . Do you actually understand what improvement means ? An overall improvement if we don't win the Prem would be an FAC win . That would be an improvement over just finishing 3rd . You get a CL place for 2nd and 3rd so no difference there really - with 4th place requiring a qualifier tie to be won.

  62. radfordkennedy

    Feb 24, 2014, 11:25 #46325

    Ron..thanks for the recent heads up regarding BBC 4 caught a brilliant BB King show followed by Blues at the BBC at the weekend,early Clapton including Bonnie and Delaney,The Kinks great stuff mate

  63. mike

    Feb 24, 2014, 11:04 #46323

    When you watch an Arsenal game in isolation they can appear to be unpredictable and very frustrating. However, when you watch the rest of the much better resourced teams around them you realise it is the same for them as well. I can't remember the last game a City forward scored despite having three world class strikers. The same applies to Chelsea. Both teams have stuttered across the finishing line when they should have steamrolled their opponents. Liverpool made heavy work of it yesterday and even the likes of Suarez has not scored against any of the top clubs. Murinho is touted as a genious but has picked up less premier league points against Arsenal than any of the other top five clubs. The EPL is not so cut and dry as it used to be. Liverpool are suddenly strong title contenders. However it is always easier to be the protester rather than a politician.

  64. Ron

    Feb 24, 2014, 11:03 #46322

    SGRB - I know mate. Oh yes, we ll all keep running the same old arguments and opinions around in circles and none of us will ever be proved 'right' will we. Its all good stuff though.

  65. jeff wright

    Feb 24, 2014, 11:00 #46321

    Westie, if optimism could be bottled they would be selling it in the Armoury and Stan would trouser a fortune from it! All the statues outside the Emirates are heroes of Highbury from a now already distant past . Wenger's mistake was allowing Diamond Danny to erect that bust of him at the stadium this is called tempting fate - this sort of idolatry should be done when a manager leaves. That view is summed up best by the old bard himself :" Thus we play the fools with the time; and the spirits of the wise sit in the clouds, and mock us."

  66. Chris

    Feb 24, 2014, 10:53 #46320

    Jeff - I know and knew exactly what point you were making and if you think I've distorted anything, I can only think that's down to your own limited mental flexibilty and consequent inability to understand a counter-argument. My point is, your reliance on an argument based on same-game points total is incompatible with the argument you make to Westlower - namely that points total are irrelevant, and that league finishing position is all that counts. We could finish with far fewer points in same-games than last season and still win the league, couldn't we, as it all depends on how the other teams do against each other. That you can't see the contradiction tell us all we need to know about the clarity of your view and validity of your arguments. And spouting stuff about my 'discredited views' when the evidence of these very pages demonstrates the reverse is true simply makes you look even more foolish.

  67. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Feb 24, 2014, 10:51 #46319

    Ron, the debates may be exhausted but that won't stop them still being flogged over and over until 1. or 2. happen! Either would be a relief, wouldn't it. Agree on music, especially versus modern football.

  68. Ron

    Feb 24, 2014, 10:43 #46318

    SGRB. - ha . Youre totally right mate. I reckon we ve exhausted all of the debates though matey. Lets hope its a trophy, but either way ive a feeling Arsene has his bye bye date pencilled in and nailed down anyway. It will be sprung on us in May/June im reckoning, even if his new contract is set up by then. The issue then will be whether he s risking losing his authority. Hes going 'upstairs' though anyway, so maybe he wont. I thnk the game has changed in so many ways for the worse and as AW is very much an idealist, i honestly think hes had enough, trophies or not. Cant say i blame him. Footballs eating itself up voraciously. Thats where music comes in. Far better than football and far more creative and satisfying to indulge in and see (for me anyway).

  69. jeff wright

    Feb 24, 2014, 10:39 #46317

    Er,no Chris, my point, that is actually a fact, is that we have not improved our results against the same sides same venues played as last season. We have won all of our games against the newly promoted ones though . With these fixtures falling in the first half of the season and the early part of the second. Cardiff and Palace twice and Hull at home ,with the away v Bruce's Tigers the only game left from these expected for us to win fixtures. 15 points from those games against a point less same played last seasons sides. So where was the improvement against struggling United then,same results as last season actually. A one point improvement against Chelsea in the 0-0 draw against a 2-0 defeat last time but we have the away game against Arsene's nemesis Jose to come .City's trashing of us was worse result than last season a 5-3 defeat against a 0-0 draw. Villa at home worse result ,West Brum away was also worst result than last season's one in a game that we won. Liverpool at home was the only good result against a current top Prem side but is it a coincidence that Rodger's gung-ho side has a weak defence that helps us? The away spanking that Wenger received from Rodger's crew though is a concern and not easily explained away . If you want to persist in distorting my comments Chris to try and support your own discredited views then carry on but it is really not doing you any favours. If we only only finish in a runners up spot in the Prem and fail to win the FAC then it will just be another day in the office for Arsene and another reason why he should leave the building and let someone else have a go . His football tactics are very dated now and these wins against the likes of Sunderland only impress AKB's like yorself ,they are not fooling anyone else. Cheers.

  70. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Feb 24, 2014, 10:22 #46316

    The polarisation amongst AFC fans is unique but that's because the situation is unique; it's not that we're, by default, a split fanbase. I think at any club where the manager a) always got a CL place but b) never won any trophies, you'd get this polarisation. As far as I'm aware, no other club has been in this situation for a similar timeframe. The polarisation will only end when either 1. a trophy is won or 2. the manager leaves. Talking about guitars and horse racing isn't going to do it.

  71. Ron

    Feb 24, 2014, 10:18 #46315

    Morning Westie - Never mind the football for a bit, i was managing to play (hacking it a bit maybe!)while listening to a bit of Santana and Roy Buchanan last night. What a warm feeling the guitar work on their stuff gives mate. Well pleased!

  72. Chris

    Feb 24, 2014, 10:07 #46314

    Jeff - Anti-Wenger folk have long argued "we don't demand trophies - we demand that we compete for them until the end!" Are the goal posts now shifting? If we finish even fourth but in with a shout of winning the PL until the last week, that will be real progress, will it not? And now to your inconsistency - you constantly tell us that Arsenal have not progressed because the same-game total so far is no different (or less) than last season - now you tell us that points are irrelevant and that it is our relative points total compared to other teams (i.e. league position) that counts. As has been demonstrated many times - you make it up as you go along....

  73. chris dee

    Feb 24, 2014, 10:07 #46313

    George Graham always the pragmatist is 100% correct. We are not,despite the s**t talked about the return game with Bayern,gonna win the Champions League.Better to throw all your resources into the Premiership and F A Cup.And even with all our resources we still might fall short so why not prioritise?But forget it, cause Arsene is much to proud and idealistic to do that. To quote Arsene we scored two 'Arsenal 'goals against Sunderland, as if that makes them worth more.Forget it Arsene we are way past that type of comment,we need results and more results until a trophy is won this year.No trophy this year then it should be no Arsene next year. I think he agrees because despite all the talk his new contract remains unsigned.

  74. Westlower

    Feb 24, 2014, 9:48 #46312

    @Jeff, If you don't buy into the prospect of AFC becoming Champions your pessimism will have caused you to have missed out, such a shame. As I've said on countless occasions, these are the good times, with only 4 teams in contention to be Champions & AFC is bang there.

  75. jeff wright

    Feb 24, 2014, 9:35 #46311

    Westie the time to judge whether or not we have made progress is at the end of the season. No trophy and a 3rd or 4th place finish will just be deja vu the previous NINE SEASONS . That is not progress but stagnation! The points are irrelevant we we won less two seasons ago than we did last season when finishing 3rd. whereas last season we finished 4th with more points. Whatever,unless you win then you are just a top 4 runnner up along with two other sides. The parameters to judge success are similar for Wenger ,Rodgers , Moyes and Fat Sam . In the first 3 cases it's a top 4 finish, 2nd,3rd or 4th constitutes success for the three musketeers. For Fat Sam the ambition is more modest,survival in the Prem ,any place will do. Winning the Prem is only expected of Mourinho and Pelleginni ,2nd place is failure not success for those pair of desperadoes. Wenger exits in a parallel universe to them supported by a commercially motivated major shareholder and a cosmopolitan home crowd most of whom look as though they would be more at home watching a West End stage show than a football match. The internet has also attracted a mixed bag of Wenger more fanatical Wenger supporters than the Emirates crowd , with Irish Rugby fans ganging up on anti-Wenger posters on some websites. I suspect though that they are only doing it for the craic.

  76. Westlower

    Feb 24, 2014, 8:28 #46310

    Start the day with a smile: As I have grown older, I've learned that pleasing everyone is impossible, but p*ssing everyone off is a piece of cake; I'm not saying you're stupid, I'm just saying you've got bad luck when it comes to thinking; On the Internet you can be anything you want, it's strange that so many people choose to be stupid; As the Panda said, "Dude, Racism is stupid, I am black, white & Asian, but everyone still loves me. Finally thought for the day from the Beatles, "And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make".

  77. BADARSE

    Feb 24, 2014, 8:21 #46309

    Morning gentlemen, and those not so gentle. @DW Thomas in answer to your question my response is a little different, but equally boring no doubt. Religion, politics? No. My experience is that both subjects just widen the differences between two parties. They are mirror-images of the polarisation of AFC fans, for and against a manager. My answer is we would discuss as football fans used to, not as pseudo-macho soldiers defending the line against an onrushing army. That approach is borne of too much silly USA-type film and TV. Do many out there remember how those 'olden days' used to be? Yesterday evening maguiresbridge brought me up to date regarding a voluntary ban on a very dodgy word on this website-a great idea. If I suggested a ban on for/against the manager debates I think this website would see tumbleweed blowing down it's streets. We hardly discuss players' strengths and weaknesses, oppositions' chances, or anything AFC positive. Arguably the greatest player ever to wear an Arsenal shirt unveiled a statue then went into the Grove to watch us dismantle another side. No one even mentions it on here. I tried a while ago to redirect this site by bringing in musical exchanges and other anomalies and alien concepts-yes it was me that began it, and it was orchestrated. It had a partial success and evolved in zig-zag fashion into the idea of the AFC (Aged Fans Compound), and the veterans club. I think we all enjoyed these things, I certainly did. Offshoots are horse racing, guitar playing, and anything else others bring to the table, but you can't decide on which album was an artist's best, or which horse to back when we are at each other's throats. That's my mundane suggestion DWT. Rubbish, eh?

  78. Westlower

    Feb 24, 2014, 8:01 #46308

    Sign of our progress : Feb 23 2013, P27, W13, D8, L6 PTS 47; Feb 23 2014, P27, W18, D5, L4, PTS 59.

  79. Ozzie

    Feb 24, 2014, 2:14 #46307

    ..........and while we are all waiting for a trophy we are growing old...yawn...

  80. Ozzie

    Feb 24, 2014, 1:52 #46306

    I like Wenger but believed 3 years ago that he had passed his 'use by date.' To hell with the glitzy Champion's league and let us see an FA Cup & preferably the Premier League Cups. At least ONE would be a start! As for the CL I would like to see a team with all the fringe, potential players go to Germany & show what they can offer for the future. By the way, can someone shed some light on the Ramsay injury? I am wondering about his healed leg - is it suspect??

  81. DW Thomas

    Feb 23, 2014, 22:59 #46305

    Oh how I dream of the day when we all shut ourselves up because we have won! Champions. And not just the FA Cup. Although I still love that tournament. How boring this site will be if that happens. What will we argue about then? Politics? Religion? World unrest? Can you imagine a summer watching the World Cup and being PL champions? Oh the utter joy! Wait, now I must wake up. My boys are pulling at my feet...

  82. BADARSE

    Feb 23, 2014, 21:27 #46303

    '...fills your eyes, smiles awake you when you rise', 24601.

  83. Westlower

    Feb 23, 2014, 21:19 #46302

    If Spock tuned into online Gooner from his computer on Star Ship Enterprise, he'd never believe all the posters on here supported the same football club. We all have strong opinions and bizarrely we all think our own judgement is the right one - well at least I do. Beam me up Snotty! Golden slumbers.

  84. Green Hut

    Feb 23, 2014, 20:45 #46301

    Ron- Maybe I am an insane malcontent but (after much research!) 42199 doesn't seem to be one of yours mate, however having read most if not all of your borderline naughty posts I'm sure it was said with a certain humour, zero malicious intent and a sentiment that many of us can relate to.

  85. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 23, 2014, 20:44 #46300

    I was watching a rerun of star trek the undiscovered country the other night and could have sworn i saw Diaby in the transporter room being beamed to this planet that hasn't been discovered yet (at least he's useful for something)if only Dr Mc coy would run that funny looking device he has over his head and find out what's wrong with him and send him back because our own medical staff obviously don't, the next time we see him play for Arsenal he'll have pointed ears and spock on his shirt.

  86. BADARSE

    Feb 23, 2014, 20:20 #46299

    Thank you maguiresbridge, I had no idea but like the theme. If it's any consolation I wore gloves as I typed the word, then went straight to the toilet and spat, can I be excused the personal scourging as my back has been giving me gyp just lately. Oh, and the anti-corruption seminar was a waste of time, the organisers were all corrupt and didn't appreciate it when I pointed it out to them.

  87. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 23, 2014, 20:02 #46298

    BADARSE, that funny word you used in 42940 has been banned on here, not by the administrator, but it was suggested by Ron that their so insignificant that they wouldn't even be mentioned again, but if they had to be referred to there's more apt names, spuds for example, myself, Ron, Westlower, RK, jeff wright, we are building, DW Thomas, Bard, and others have signed up, so far it's been adhered to, but because you have been away on an anti corruption seminar and might not know this we'll let you off.

  88. BADARSE

    Feb 23, 2014, 20:00 #46297

    @Bard, you and me too. A neurologist would no doubt point to all the misfiring neurons and synapses in our collective brains and declare us unfit. It does affect the whole weekend, doesn't it? AW a master of spin? Well he does what he needs to do I guess. Thing is once a dislike is taken, for very good or flimsy reasons we cannot let go of it. That is the plight of human nature I suppose. I'm picking up criticism left right and centre today on here, and why? I am trying to offer helpful analysis or suggestions, no more. Certainly a different perspective. I will not take any form of abuse or insults, neither will I readily accept any aimed at another. It doesn't make me the Lone Ranger. I don't ask for confrontation, but find it difficult to walk away when I sense an injustice. I am not pious, quite the opposite. As an atheist I know death and oblivion await, perhaps closer than I would like. It is rank mismanagement on my part to alienate people, and sometimes my posting clumsiness is obviously at fault, but it is done with the best of intentions, yet other times it is the wilfulness or rudeness of others. I do understand your frustrations and any insanity you have is shared with me, which is where we came in. @Green Hut none of those criticisms were aimed at you jeff or Bard, as you well know. Guantanamo Bay is an abomination so I don't think I would hold down a job there, unless I knew a way to get the inmates out. I do like Sherlock though, great acting, strong storylines and superb directing. Despite being an intellectual whiz and a supreme athlete Conan Doyle was barmy. Sad we can't be friends though. @ Terry that post is very good, a smile from me, in amongst the angst. @ jeff I liked your comparison too, though I never said I shared the Winnie the Pooh characteristics, though I have striven towards them over the years, but as with most things I've touched it has been nothing but abject failure. One day more.

  89. Ron

    Feb 23, 2014, 19:36 #46296

    Green Hut - Hi there pal. I should 'put my hands up' here to an 'ism' that you might have missed.My 42199 can be classed as blatant wan---ism in the grander scheme of ism's. Guilty as charged!

  90. jeff wright

    Feb 23, 2014, 19:24 #46295

    Badarse, I see you as being more of a Mr Micawber than Winnie the Pooh. Micawber was a Dickens comical character an eternal optimist with a view of , something will turn up, being his outlook on life .

  91. Green Hut

    Feb 23, 2014, 19:23 #46294

    BADARSE- Yes of course Sherlock, the fact that I am not obsessed as you are with finding prejudice everywhere, puts me in the frame for said hate crimes! Remarkable, you should work at Guantanamo Bay! Neither Jeff Wright nor Bard were inconsiderate in their posts, and there hasn't been a hint of sexism, racism or homophobia on any post in this thread.

  92. lee afc

    Feb 23, 2014, 19:15 #46293

    speaking of Finsbury joe......come on.....where are you....lets be avin you. well done delia. your boys done good.

  93. DW Thomas

    Feb 23, 2014, 19:07 #46292

    One thing I can't rap my head around is how our team, one of the best attacking teams on the planet on its day, doesn't have a top,top striker, say, like Aguero or Suarez. The team this year as it is had all the other pieces. It was screaming out for a Suarez or Costa. Yet it still isn't a priority. HOW NOT? And we have a player like Vermaelen, our captain last I checked, riding the bench all year instead of giving him a chance at say DM? I think he'd be perfect there, as long as he didn't bomb forward too often. But what do I know, I haven't worked a day in football. And the Sagna contract thing bugs the s..t out of me. Perhaps our most loyal player of the last 5-6 years and we can't tie him down for 2-3 more seasons? Wenger loves loyalty, non? So why not with our stalwarts? The whole clubs stinks to the sewer of profits number one in the yearly goals. Last I checked AFC meant Arsenal Football Club. What happened to winning as the main priority? I agree with that Sat-Nav analogy. He's using an old map that used to work, but it's been old for 8-9 years now and he still thinks he's getting to his destination. If its profits, he spot on. 1st in anything, not so much.

  94. Bard

    Feb 23, 2014, 19:04 #46291

    Badarse; I agree all the offensive rubbish needs to be ignored but you raise an interesting point, is supporting a football team a form of insanity? I own up to my own insanity with regard to matters Arsenal, which I think explains the sometimes misguided passionate posts on here. My whole weekend mood is affected by their performances. I like to think I have a good bull**** radar and I'm afraid that to my mind Wenger has become a master of spin. He flatters to deceive but if Im proved wrong at the end of the season I will be more than happy to eat humble pie.

  95. Terry

    Feb 23, 2014, 18:53 #46290

    MARCUS: Mr Ready to halt.Maguirebridge:Adam the First.Westlower:Hopeful.Geoff Wright:Mr By-Ends.Green Hut:Giant Despair.Ron:Pliable.Babatunde:Baal Zeruv.Finsbury Jo:Appollyon.

  96. BADARSE

    Feb 23, 2014, 18:47 #46289

    @Terry, 'PP' was a bad book choice, try 'Paddy Got Up' by Arseblog, or even Voltaire's Candide. Incidentally I would align myself with Mr. WW, rather than Christian, every time, so thank you for the inadvertent compliment. If seriously need to put people into book characters read 'The Tao of Pooh', that would be more constructive. I would be interested in which A,A.Milne character you saw me. One day more.

  97. BADARSE

    Feb 23, 2014, 18:25 #46288

    @Green Hut. Ironic that I was posting as you were. Mine was about basic incompatibility. Your post chose to criticise what you see as sermonising; to date have never witnessed you criticising those things I listed. That's quite interesting. You would rather criticise the individual asking for those to put their views more considerately, on the basis of language used, rather than those being inconsiderate. For the record I never accused those who disagree with me as insane. Many are extremely courteous and offer very constructive arguments, and possibly are saner than me. Some appear to be on a loop though, and are perhaps Tottenham 'bots', or may suffer from OCD-not insanity as a dear member of my close family has this illness. One day more, 24601.

  98. frankytheswede

    Feb 23, 2014, 18:18 #46287

    great result against a whack team in sunderland, we need some of the boys back not all of them. this really is the best season in such a long time theres no way we will finish the season without a cup. no way theres just no way

  99. Westlower

    Feb 23, 2014, 18:11 #46286

    Well done Norwich. At best, the Europa League beckons again for our cash splashing noisy neighbours. Time for another new manager Daniel? To dare is to do!

  100. Terry

    Feb 23, 2014, 18:08 #46285

    As a boy I read Pilgrims Progress, even though it wasn't for me I just can't seem to get it out of my head and everybody I come across I put them into one of the many characters. I have always had BADARSE down as Mr Worldly Wiseman.

  101. BADARSE

    Feb 23, 2014, 17:46 #46284

    Hi westlower. I have been accused of being a cynic, amongst many other things of course. I prefer the term realist. Yet within the constraints I remain perpetually optimistic. Never once did I know we were going to win the league or any cup. I always believed we could though, and hoped we would. Sometimes it happened, other times not. Always there supporting, hoping for the best, preparing for the worst. Winning and losing in the last minute. That's the way it should be, I'm sure. If there is an impasse reached on such basic concepts compatibility becomes an uphill battle. It isn't based on intellect or education, just a similar approach.

  102. Green Hut

    Feb 23, 2014, 17:32 #46283

    BADARSE- You may not do sexism, racism and homophobia but you certainly do pompous, self-righteous preaching. Welcome back. I'm sure no-one who disagrees with you on here is insane (although they may find your insinuation offensive), they've just gradually become more and more p****d off with Wenger's methods over the past 8 years, whilst harbouring no desire to appear the most chilled out member of the board.

  103. Westlower

    Feb 23, 2014, 17:18 #46282

    PESSIMIST - Somebody who always expects the worst to happen. OPTIMIST - Somebody who tends to feel hopeful and positive about future outcomes.

  104. Silly Billy

    Feb 23, 2014, 17:04 #46281

    We wait for Diaby to come back while City have Aguero returning .

  105. jeff wright

    Feb 23, 2014, 16:53 #46280

    Bararse, as the master said to grasshopper don't open a shop unless you like to smile.

  106. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Feb 23, 2014, 16:52 #46279

    Ron - to suggest Diaby and Kallstrom aren't 'needed' is to suggest Arsene's squad building and decision making is less than 100% efficient, and that would never do. It is not possible to sound too ridiculous in the name of being 'positive' and 'optimistic'.

  107. BADARSE

    Feb 23, 2014, 16:49 #46278

    @jeff wright, would love to be able to say that your posts at least make me smile rather than laugh, they do neither. I still live in hope though, perhaps one day. @Bard I understand your point it's made well enough. Constructive criticism is vital in all things. Yet you refer to 'believers'. Do you see where it all gets corrupted? I see what you see on the pitch. If you adopt a scathing view I may not agree with all points, but may certainly take exception to the way the criticism is couched. I don't do sexism,racism and homophobia etc, some on here do though. That corrupts any points made for me. I seriously question the sanity of some, who's mental balance has no recognised equilibrium when it comes to people's view of Arsene Wenger. It borders on obsession.

  108. smithy

    Feb 23, 2014, 16:42 #46277

    I'd select the Bergkamp statue over Diaby and Bendtner!More reliable than those two losers!Well done to the lads for yesterday!Keep going toe to toe with the nasty money inflated clubs,if we can hang in there than who knows?

  109. Ron

    Feb 23, 2014, 16:08 #46276

    Ha . Good grief Westie - 'hurry back Diaby and Kallstrom'. Now i know you're taking the p--s. Only place Diaby hurries to is the pi-s corner or the coffee jug in between ads and as for the new glassback, well..... you cdt make it up.

  110. Westlower

    Feb 23, 2014, 15:43 #46275

    Mediocre Sunderland & Wigan the previous season showed that getting to a cup knock out final is as much down to good fortune as ability. Real Sociedad 3 Barcelona 1, would that result have been the same if Barca hadn't played in CL midweek. Bayern Munich given an extra day to recover before playing today. The Germans don't appear to flog dead horses. Thomas Muller remarked that the English play too many games, causing mental fatigue. I'm sure Ozil will agree with that sentiment. Let's be grateful a rest put the spark back into Giroud. Hurry back Ramsey, Gibbs, Vermaelen, Kallstrom & Diaby as we'll need you all before the season ends.

  111. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 23, 2014, 15:15 #46274

    The high his signing caused has certainly worn off and some time ago too,you'd think a game like this, one we're expected to win (and always do)and dominated, against inferior opposition would be the perfect opportunity to get the last one out of his head and some of this confidence back with goals a plenty and especially if we'd have got a pen he could have exorcised his miss against mighty Bayern with one against mighty Sunderland but OGL knows best. But anyway he wasn't needed (was he ever) the quick passing game blew Sunderland away they just had no answer (inferior teams rarely do) and on one occasion ending with a great goal by Rosicky. Another three points in the bag with a good team display,and i think it's something we expected and the excuse of the game after the CL being tricky not needed. A shame the chavs scored a late winner or it could have been a better weekend. But we've still a long way to go yet with a lot more tricky games to come through before we're in the queue for silverware. Meanwhile mighty Sunderland will have a chance to join that queue themselves next weekend with a final and fair play to them, it's something mighty Arsenal haven't managed to do for a long time.

  112. Bard

    Feb 23, 2014, 15:15 #46273

    Good result, good performance by and large. Would like to see a similar performance against the bigger teams before I can get too excited about our chances. The trouble we have against the big boys is that the game is tighter and more tactical and as we know our boss doesn't do tactics and the limitations of our striker situation become only to obvious.The problem with your comments and little digs at the critics Westie is that the reverse argument equally applies. How can all the believers not see the sides limitations? You also make the mistake of conflating a critical comment as not supporting the team. i give them my full support at home every week; its only after the game that I take a more considered view.

  113. jeff wright

    Feb 23, 2014, 15:08 #46272

    Wenger is like a man driving a car with a faulty satellite nav. He has been warned by nervous passengers ,who have suffered before from his erratic driving , that the instructions being droned out to him from his preset Navigator , based on an out of date map, look suspect - but non the less Wenger ignores the warnings and doggedly carries on following the pre-planned route that he himself instigated . There are exits that he could take on the journey , and junctions where he could change direction , but he stubbornly chooses to ignore them and at the end of the journey the result of it is inevitable.

  114. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Feb 23, 2014, 14:04 #46271

    Ron: LMFAO. I imagine that at home F Joe has hanging on the wall in pride of place a big montage of Justin Edinburgh, Jason Cundy, Dimitar Berbatov, Ian Walker and Timmy Sherwood. Also the appropriately named John Pratt.

  115. GoonerRon

    Feb 23, 2014, 14:01 #46270

    Great to get an early goal and show a good level of quality on the ball. It's clear that we can rotate our midfielders and not impact our level too much at all. This augers well for the run when key games come thick and fast in succession, especially when hopefully Ramsey is back in the mix and, who knows, maybe Kallstrom and Diaby too! Whatever anyone says, we are approaching the final straight and are right in the mix for a double.

  116. DW Thomas

    Feb 23, 2014, 14:01 #46269

    Sunderland were dreadful. Bun point s are points. Shame Tim Howard gifted Chelsea a couple point, albeit from a dodgy free kick award. Rosicky was the difference, and Jack. They drive play forward and make things tick. Lucky to have such an easy game after Bayern. And for all those on Ozil's back, didn't Bergkamp miss a major penalty a couple times? I might even make him take the next one, but he would hitting 50 a practice with run up and power! A little worry about Gibbs and Kos. With this club I never trust the "3 weeks out" thing. Next day it's 3 months. I do love our end to the season run, the next 11 games. We hold our fate in our hands. What better place to be. Just hoping we perform like men and not mice. And Podolski started and finished a game! Maybe things are truly looking up!

  117. BADARSE

    Feb 23, 2014, 13:50 #46268

    Ah westlower. This never-ending road to Calvary; those who saw it as a crime, will surely come a second time. Yet I shall always give it one day more! Good old Arsenal! (now there was a song).

  118. Ron

    Feb 23, 2014, 13:29 #46267

    Aft guys. R/K - Finsbury J uses one hand for something very frequently and its not dropping louvre slats.

  119. jeff wright

    Feb 23, 2014, 13:28 #46266

    Westie,I went for 87 points to win the Prem some time back and suggested that City would most likely get that amount. I changed my mind though after Chelsea beat them at Poundlands and along with the bookies made Chelsea Faves to win the title. Mourinho,unlike Wenger, gets results against the top teams - we lost a one goal lead at home to Everton with a few minutes to go - Chelsea scored a late winner and kept a clean sheet against Everton. Mourinho's run-in looks easier than Wenger's and he is more pragmatic in going about getting results whereas Wenger's approach requires a number of things to go right for him with hisone dimensional tactics and rigid substitution policy. Wenger's stayed in touch at the top by beating the lower sides but apart from Liverpool at home he's come unstuck when faced by top opponents . There is a look of the big time Charlies about this current Wenger side with those flash passing move goals they bang in against the likes of Norwich and Sunderland. They don't score them against sides with better defences though - and until they do so then I will remain pessimistic about Wenger breaking his 9 year duck regarding winning anything other than a Amos 'n Chris Calendar Year Chumps tag.

  120. Westlower

    Feb 23, 2014, 13:01 #46265

    Tony Gale,is his nickname Joe & does he live in Finsbury? - rarely a good word to say about AFC. Much like the pessimists we have to endure when we lose or draw but they still moan when we win - go figure!! Damn the warnings, damn the lies, they will see the Gooners rise (dedicated to Badarse).

  121. radfordkennedy

    Feb 23, 2014, 12:41 #46264

    Lee afc,Badarse,Westie thanks fellas,I'm off havin a wander twixt Merville and Caen in april and the winnings will be suitably spent on an evenings refreshment...Finsbury Joe do you have those wardrobes with louvre doors on the front the type where the slats can be lowered with one hand,just a thought....

  122. cretinous minority

    Feb 23, 2014, 12:37 #46263

    Finsbury Joe Don't be so hard on the Spuds. Next year will be better mate.

  123. Frank the Gooner

    Feb 23, 2014, 11:12 #46262

    A Arsenal striker with only 12 goals coming into March with the number of chances this team creates is piss poor.Thats because Giroud is Average.If we dont win the title this season when all the other teams are in transition Wenger has to be sacked.

  124. Finsbury Joe

    Feb 23, 2014, 10:47 #46261

    This team and manager are nothing more than flat track bullies and provide no ground for optimism whatsoever

  125. Mikeymike2711

    Feb 23, 2014, 10:47 #46260

    Wearebuilding.... I believe it was Tony Gale.

  126. BADARSE

    Feb 23, 2014, 10:17 #46259

    Gooner 48, what a great post!

  127. Stuart

    Feb 23, 2014, 10:15 #46258

    Nice to see Giroud scoring at home after his recent successes when playing away.

  128. Gooner 48

    Feb 23, 2014, 10:02 #46257

    Obdurate - great word Kev. Corker - classic retro footballing word. Pessimistic - describes way too many Gooners

  129. BADARSE

    Feb 23, 2014, 9:58 #46256

    Good morning gentlemen. Pleased for the lads, hope the injuries yesterday are going to be easily overcome. We need every hand on deck, and with that link a big 'Well done' to radfordkennedy. Nicely done, fella. My main man, Bergy, was there watching my current main man Rosicky score a delightful goal. Ah, a memory stirs, 24601.

  130. Westlower

    Feb 23, 2014, 9:48 #46255

    11 games to go, of which 7 are winnable, Stoke, West Ham, Hull, Newcastle, West Brom, Norwich, Swansea. If successful that'll give us 80 points. How many points we get from the remaining 4 games (Spurs, Chelsea, Man C, Everton) will decide our fate. If we can get 4 points (1 win, 1 draw, 2 defeats) we can be runners up on 84 points, 7 points (2 wins, 1 draw, 1 defeat) possibly be Champions on 87 points.

  131. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Feb 23, 2014, 9:33 #46254

    saw the game last night on SNF (ok the missus finally got me to get Sky, for the Grand Prix) and whoever was the co-commentator was a disgrace. "Oh, look at that awful defending", "Sunderland making it so easy for Arsenal", "no-bodys picking him up" etc. Well excuse me but is that the fault of AFC. No. About time Ozil was dropped too, he is turning out to be the biggest waste of 50 million euros in the great history of our proud club.

  132. Westlower

    Feb 23, 2014, 9:27 #46253

    @R/K Every dog has his day, well done. Quit while you're in front and give Cheltenham a miss.

  133. Lee afc

    Feb 23, 2014, 9:22 #46252

    Well done radfordkennedy.......20/1 and money in the bank along with a good Arsenal win...congratulations mate.

  134. radfordkennedy

    Feb 23, 2014, 8:31 #46251

    Morning Westie may I refer you to my post 49171 on the previous'get yer ya yas out'thread..KERCHING!!