Another slice of nostalgia

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Another slice of nostalgia


My Mum and Dad worked really hard raising my younger brother and myself, as do many nowadays. Whatever happened to that golden age we were promised way back when? Still, with just a few farthings on occasions, growing up in the grubby backstreets of London in the 50s gave me an edge. At least I like to think it did. Those were the days of the London pea-soupers. How wondrous was the Clean Air Act?

One magical Christmas '56 or '57, I opened my main present, always got a main one and a number of smaller; I opened the box, finding myself shell-shocked as I gazed in wonder at what I held in my hands. It was an Arsenal kit! How my parents managed to eke enough coppers sideways to buy this is still astounding to me. My brother retained parity in some way gift-wise, so a double achievement. I never thanked my Mum and Dad enough. Oh that they were here for me to just hold and kiss my gratitude to them. No, I'd never get the words out. My sobs would rule the day. Anyway this little lad wore it all Christmas Day, and slept in it. From then on, when I went down to the square, or on the clay pitch a distance away I wore my kit. I was king of the world. Those uniquely distinctive blue and white hooped stockings (as they were known then), and the white-sleeved shirt, no red cuffs, a buttoned white lapel collar, but, most appealing of all, those unique white sleeves!

This was an age of Subbuteo, the plastic football-figured flicking game. I was quite good at this, but knew my pecking order well. I played with a lot of bigger kids as my footballing prowess opened gateways into the older boys’ sets, so when I played Subbuteo against lesser lights I was the Arsenal. Against those more adept I swallowed that insistence happily. I could not be a party to Arsenal losing, even at table football. I remember a new-fangled telly shop on the high street advertising a 'win a football' competition. You just went inside, and I did, quite alone and brash, (there's evidence of that edge, I suppose), and scribbled my forecast for the upcoming FA Cup Final, Bolton against Manchester United, on a card and dropped it into a cardboard shoe box. Ah, the fineries of early advertising and promotions!

Well, I got the score half right, Bolton did score twice, but without reply, and I had said 2-3. I remember on my school notice-board the following Monday the newspaper clippings being pinned up. The emblazoned headlines announced, “Two Natty Goals”. This was in celebration of the England centre-forward, Nat Lofthouse, known as the “Lion of Vienna”, delivering the cup to Bolton by virtue of his two goals. One, he bundled the 'keeper, Harry Greg and the ball over the line. The goal stood.

Around this time I moved into the sticks - leaving behind the first parking-meters -around seventy miles from London. I might as well have been on a moon orbiting Mars. I'd experienced time travel in that protracted, but relatively short distance, between the centre of the universe, London, and this backwater. Still, its innocence helped. I went to a co-ed school, which was a new concept for me, as I'd previously attended an all-boys school in London. As that first playtime approached I'd been asked if I played football, and had nodded. I was carried along by the enthusiasm of a group to the corner of a playground, where bitumen-lined joins in the wall acted as a set of goalposts.

One lad did me an immense service. Chatting to me as the straggling band threaded their way through the skipping ropes and five-stones, he repeated my softly spoken answers a few decibels above normal to the attendant group trailing along. ‘He comes from London!’ he exclaimed with astonishment, and the most richly rewarding of all, “He's been to the Arsenal!” which was almost screeched to the rest of the crew. I was the king of the world. That playtime, playing with a nap-free tennis ball, and despite the ten-minute interlude being a frenetic, scuffling, elbowing affair, I did enough with a few passes, tackles and goals to cement my position in the alpha male group. Arsenal were still the Rolls Royce of the footballing fraternity, and by association I felt elevated by my peers to a position of royalty.

A year on and I'd gone to my senior school now and my first morning saw me nervously gazing around with fidgety fingers stuffed deep into grey flannel trousers. I remember seeing a poignant chalked inscription on a wall, hidden from the elements. It starkly said ”Peggy Sue is dead”, alluding to the earlier death of Buddy Holly. That touched me; it must have done, I am still thinking of it fifty five years on. It was around this time that a new item hit the market - the Frido ball, an inflated, red, hard plastic football. It had nodules on it, which left dents in your forehead when you headed it, and stung like crazy when it whacked your bare legs - everyone wore short trousers in those days.

How bizarrely conservative England was in those days. Freezing weather but, unless you were a big boy, your legs froze. I remember the annual chapped-leg syndrome so well. This was an age of street football, grazed knees and endlessly running around, puffing and panting. Still, the Frido ball was upgraded frequently, as plastics improved. A softer more pliant version hit the market, though they remained hopelessly liable to puncture. Then, a year or so later, a thing of majesty appeared in a shop window, a white football on a plinth which captured my imagination. It was described as being Permaglazed. It kept the water out, as long as the plastic coating remained intact, and it was white!

Prior to this date, around 1960 all footballs were brown leather. You had to winkle out the bladder’s nozzle, blow it up, then - without releasing your grip - perform a surgery-like operation of folding and tying it securely, before popping it back inside the casing. Then those murderous laces were tugged together and knotted. Laces was a good name, because when you headed the ball it often lacerated your head! Of course, that ball took in water like a sponge, despite the dubbin worked into it. On a wet day, the ball became water-logged and weighed about thirty pounds more by the end of a match, so that when it hit you on the head it momentarily stunned you. Like heading a medicine ball. There was a plus to this though, as the only boots available were brown leather, high-ankled ones, equipped with long leather studs. It helped as us kids were like those Weeble toys that would come later, you know - “Weebles wobble but they don't fall down”. So a sodden heavy ball would strike you on the dome, possibly cutting you with the knotted lace; you would see stars, stagger around a bit, go to fall down, but the boots would hold you upright.

This was the age when Donald Campbell broke the world water speed-record and we all bought into the Great Britain superiority belief. Meanwhile, Bertrand Russell formed CND - he would change that view for me. Those days marked a slide into a form of oblivion for Arsenal. They'd traded off the recent past of the 1953 championship win, and had begun a head-bowed seventeen-year passage of barren football, and, for perhaps the first fourteen of them, a ride of despair without hope, unlike the recent absence of honours, which only amounts to half that duration. Gone are the floppy rosettes, so too the genuflecting to those more worthy. The Beatles were coming, and the page was fast turning on yesterday. Now in its place a new breed struts, demands and dismisses. It had to be thus, yet just a little of me misses those imagined Good Old Days. With all the changes wrought, though, that dust-covered respect for Arsenal remains constant.


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  1. Spaced

    Apr 15, 2014, 13:01 #49583

    Wonderful read Alex. Thank you.

  2. Ken

    Apr 14, 2014, 15:07 #49521

    BADARES. Don't always get the time to come on this website but I am glad you liked the little joke co's it made me laugh too.................

  3. Peter Wain

    Apr 13, 2014, 19:01 #49433

    I thought it was our best performance of the season, I sat in the Wigan corner as I've always had a soft spot for them.

  4. Green Hut

    Apr 13, 2014, 17:04 #49423

    BADARSE- Not exactly joy unconfined the day after I'm afraid, given yet another lucklustre performance, but I'm sure considering the opposition we'll face in the Final we can/will play poorly again and still take the trophy home. Everton's result gives us a few nervy games before then but I would happily accept Thursday/Sunday football if that is what it takes to force the manager's departure. Anything but the same old issues year after year.

  5. BADARSE

    Apr 13, 2014, 7:13 #49340

    Good morning gentlemen and ladies. My goodness, that night seemed short, perhaps it's because it was. Edmund just wanted to clarify something-these posts don't do service to real feelings as they are so brief and on occasions open to interpretation, which can be shallow or just wrong. I love Bacary and always have. He became another level for me a handful of years ago when he described the Tiny Totts as, 'The enemy'. On a personal note my little grandson is a wistfully hopeful, 'Fabregas-type', who doesn't move his feet fast enough and may never do so. This season he converted to RB in an emergency and has played six games there and been MotM in possibly all of them. Am always pointing out Bacary's strong points as a guide. I know his legs will suddenly go, but I would gamble on a two year deal and be prepared to write off a lost season. You are right that glamour positions get a biased approach and treatment. I will go out on a limb, as I have done in my family-my son isn't convinced that Yaya will make it-and say I believe he will. You can never be sure with the development of players, the road to maturity is a meandering one and who knows if the way will become a cul-de-sac? I have seen enough to tick the current interview and send him on with a pass mark to the next. To make mistakes in goal scoring you have to find the space and timing to make them. He is doing that with a good percentage return I think, for his experience. Next is beefing up and improving his all-round game. I do like his awareness and vision for such a young and new-to-the-team player. Ozzie I wore those big boots, but it didn't stop me in later years getting a broken foot, when wearing lightweight boots, when I was stomped-accidentally! If we adopted a sensible approach to most things it would perhaps be better in safety, health or ethical ways, but we won't. Commerce is driving the bus and trade is a drunken passenger giving directions. We would never invent cars now. A ton of metal capable of hurtling along at 70mph and we give someone keys to them when we perhaps wouldn't trust them with ironing a shirt.Is that you singing in your shower Green Hut? Good old Arsenal. We have our record back-most FA Cup S/F's, and most FA Cup appearances.

  6. smithy

    Apr 13, 2014, 7:03 #49339

    Firstly well done to the lads- they found a way where city didn't.I'm glad we went long ball at least it showed a plan b.The squad is ridiculously thin as yesterday proved.plus performers were fab,sagna,mert,negatives were verm,monreal,arteta,cazola,giroud.we need a big clear out but arsene has already stated that his squad is adequate and doesn't want to make major changes.Can't see nose in front of his face again.

  7. Ozzie

    Apr 13, 2014, 5:20 #49338

    Freddie Armani? your childhood was in the barren 80s when everything good died. Lovely to read a story from a real grass roots ARSENAL fan, Alex. I wonder how many ankle/foot problems there would be today if players were made to wear proper supportive boots?

  8. Edmund

    Apr 13, 2014, 4:14 #49336

    BADARSE, good point. As I wrote earlier, our expectations are now higher and it is harder to take the other perspective. To be fair, Wigan stopped City, a much stronger team so this IS a big win. Our main grouse with Wenger is his refusal to spend. For a reported £2 mil imagine how many goals we would have had if it was Berbatov instead of Sanogo. But hats off to the boy. He put in a real good shift. A star for tomorrow but not one yet by a long distance. In a cup game, AW's change at the hour mark policy worked but in the league it's 2 points dropped. I didn't notice any 'keep Sagna' banners during the match. Guess there's not as much support for the less glamourous jobs unlike strikers.

  9. BADARSE

    Apr 13, 2014, 2:59 #49335

    Still can't switch off. Thought the coverage was mildly dis respectful today. Comments regarding Arsene possibly having to walk, yet the game was still in progress. Also a quite negative reaction to us and our football. I am of the firm belief that you should speak of what you see. Any other spin is just that, spin. You report the game. Any considerations of inequality due to different divisions or unequal status is added as an observation. I got to thinking. If it was possible to superimpose the Arsenal shirts onto the Wigan lads and vice versa, including their faces can you imagine the response? With fair unbiased reporting of a sporting event it should have been the same conclusion. I meanwhile am of the persuasion that they would have gone over the top. For example, Arsenal lead through a penalty, but the ref may have stopped play for a foul on the Wigan LB. Wigan throw everything at Arsenal forcing at least two saves against goal bound efforts. The second half see Wigan hit the post, a goal line clearance, hit the angle and finally force a well-deserved equaliser. They took the fight to Arsenal in extra time without getting the winner, but then dominated the penalty shoot-out to finish as worthy victors, booking a thoroughly earned cup final place. Just thought I'd mention that. Food for thought? Mmm, breakfast looms large.

  10. BADARSE

    Apr 13, 2014, 1:54 #49334

    Can't sleep, still wired. When I grow up I'm going to leave all this behind me. Can we use this confidence boost for our run in? I sure hope so. The return of Aaron and Ox have raised my expectations. 'We are the Arsenal and we are the best, we are the North Bank so **** all the rest!' OK, BADARSE, you are behaving like a child again, now go to bed at once! Red and white dreams people, you too 24601.

  11. Gooner

    Apr 12, 2014, 23:37 #49332

    were Pathetic/I thought you WOB glory hunters were only interested in winning trophies not finishing top four, or have you all now changed your agendas as it gives you something else to moan about.

  12. Were pathetic

    Apr 12, 2014, 22:45 #49331

    we could not beat wigan in normal time. we are one sorry excuse for a team right now. Giroud is a bull**** artist. he has no fight in him but pumps his chest and half the fans are happy. he never takes responsibility to move the team forward. he cant run. he cant control the ball. 5th place and a new manager. cup would be nice but id like to see a team with more power, pace and physical commitment as well as bottle

  13. BADARSE

    Apr 12, 2014, 19:59 #49330

    Cup Final! Well gentlemen and ladies, I had my sleevesrolled up. Well done to the lads, manager, and the fans. Good old Arsenal.

  14. BADARSE

    Apr 12, 2014, 16:05 #49329

    exiled&dangerous WBA have now scored all four, three for themselves and once for the chickens. Went to North Island ten years ago and loved it-Taupo. Good memories chum.

  15. exiled&dangerous

    Apr 12, 2014, 15:16 #49328

    BADARSE - nice comments, I particularly remember the list of teams you could buy, it was on my wall with a tick against those I'd seen on TV. Arsenal away was also the colours of Takapuna City who I played for when I was a kid in NZ. As for "real" football, agree with the pro-Sagna comments, why we couldn't have used him in Walcott's position is beyond me but then I've not worked half a day in football. When you're top of the league with a paper-thin squad on New Year's Day, you should really, you know, strengthen......? (as I type this, West Brom have scored two against the spuds. Ha ha).

  16. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Apr 12, 2014, 14:29 #49326

    Jason B; we beat Hull City in 1930 semi 1-0 (after 2-2 draw) Wolves 1-0 in the '98 semi, Sheffield Utd 1-0 in the 2003 semi-final. All the opponents were from the second tier.

  17. BADARSE

    Apr 12, 2014, 14:14 #49325

    Green Hut, she wore a yellow ribbon! Well done my man. Here's to the lads and a winning outcome. 'We're by far the greatest...'.

  18. Green Hut

    Apr 12, 2014, 14:10 #49324

    BADARSE- I'm not on my way to Wembley but I hope all who are have a wonderful time. Even given everything that's happened over the last couple of months it would be remarkable if we blew the FA Cup from this position. It's clear that the manager can't motivate the players for the big games but surely they can motivate themselves for this one with a winners medal almost in their grasp. Here's hoping for a glorious treble of FA Cup, Fourth Place Trophy and a new manager for us to enjoy over the summer. What did she wear?!!

  19. Edmund

    Apr 12, 2014, 13:07 #49322

    Chris, Sagna is important for several reasons. 1. He is still a good rightback who fits Arsenal's style of play. Unlike Evra, he is actually getting better. 2.He is viewed as a loyal player. See how hard he still tried when the team was down, not forgetting he is about to be let go in the summer. Reward loyalty or breed disloyalty and discontent. 3.Arsenal used to have a reputation where good players made a career and retired. A very attractive place to be. Man U still has that. Now we have become a feeder club to Man City. Time to fix that.Hope Rosicky lasts a few more seasons and retires with the club. If Van Persie had stayed, the title would have been ours and not MU's.

  20. Jason B

    Apr 12, 2014, 11:51 #49321

    Thank you, Any old iron. Forgotten Orient @ Stamford Bridge. Didn't go to that one as I was only 8 at the time and didn't have anyone to take me in those days!!

  21. Ray

    Apr 12, 2014, 11:48 #49320

    Jason B. Arsenal of Division 1 defeated Sheffield Utd of Division 2 in the FA Cup final 1-0 in 1936. The legendary Ted Drake scoring the goal, could be a repeat in this years final.

  22. Any Old Iron

    Apr 12, 2014, 10:19 #49319

    Jason, I've doubled checked and we beat Orient at Stamford Bridge 3-0 in the semi-final of 1978. You are right IMF course to be wary of lower league opposition-we've been giant-killed numerous times. At Wembley I think you're correct though. Swindon Town 1969, West Ham 1980, I also welcome any additions, corrections. Chris, Sagna initially with Seamus Coleman was probably the EPLs best right back. Evra is a left back. Silvestre ring a bell?! But, I know what you're getting at. The question is- can Wenger find anyone to Sagna's standard for the money equivalent. Or, disrupt the backline before next season. Sometimes the player is worth the investment. Experience also is vital. I don't have faith in Wenger getting these things right anyway. C'mon Arsenal... C'mon Arsenal.....!!!

  23. Jason B

    Apr 12, 2014, 9:22 #49318

    I stand to be corrected here but I don't think Arsenal have beaten a second tier side in a semi-final or final at Wembley before.

  24. John Rawley

    Apr 12, 2014, 8:50 #49317

    Looking forward to the game today if not the discomfit of having to rough it in their cheap £60 seats. Taking my housekeeper with me as a birthday treat will also be handy as she can get me a scotch and some refreshments at half-time. Up the Gunners.

  25. maguiresbridge gooner

    Apr 12, 2014, 8:36 #49316

    chris dee, the vultures are circling alright, but you'd think the qualities you mention would be a given especially in a semi final, but this is Arsenal under a has been manager.

  26. BADARSE

    Apr 12, 2014, 8:23 #49315

    Hi chris dee. The picture you paint is perhaps a true likeness. I would hope the players feel a bit like me and other fans-wounded animals. We shall see. Any S/F is an obstacle that a team could stumble over, against lower opposition with expectations raised it will always be a potential banana skin. We shall see which Arsenal takes to the pitch. As for Bacary I really like him, but have no idea of his demands, do you? This isn't a snappy question, I genuinely don't know or have no idea if the info is out there. I have seen him slow a little, not enough to worry about too much, and another season is a nailed on certainty to keep him in my opinion. However a second term may be a bridge too far. Again we shall await that outcome, fella.

  27. chris dee

    Apr 12, 2014, 8:07 #49314

    Yep Arsene looked and sounded like a broken at his press conference.Everything points to a shocker at Wembley today.The vultures are out in force,licking their lips,gagging for us to be beaten today by Wigan. Have we got any characters in the team who will stand up and run themselves into the ground for Arsenal?Will club captain Vermaelan at least give the impression that he can defend ? Will the team be instructed to beware of counter attacks?Are we physically strong enough to withstand the inevitable tough tackling and set pieces from Wigan? I hope I'm wrong but I fear the worst. Incidentally why all the fuss about Sagna? Patrice Evra a far better and more successful fullback about the same age as Sagna is being let go by United.It shows our current plight that people are worrying a so so fullback might leave.Good riddance.

  28. BADARSE

    Apr 12, 2014, 7:46 #49313

    Good morning gentlemen and ladies. exiled&dangerous, did you know the first subbuteo men came in strips of cardboard? You had to press them out and slot them into their bases. Often the slit was too wide and the figure fell out every time you flicked it, and after much falling out and putting in the cardboard insert became dog-eared and wouldn't go in easily, or at all. Also the perforations were a hit and miss experience. You would push-no joy, push more forcibly and the whole sheet would bend out of shape. Many teams took to the pitch in genuflecting mode. Then the plastic men arrived standing to attention. 'Table soccer' was often 'floor soccer', as the 'Daddies' sauce bottle and other condiments occupied a permanent position in the centre of the table in those days. Then, scrabbling about on the floor, you would stretch across and scrunch a man accidentally. I found a way to gouge out the glued broken strip from the base and re-glued a much smaller man. After a while I had a team of Geordie Armstrongs...now that's a thought toying with my grey matter. Then came the new kid on the block-Newfooty! This had clear plastic men in action poses. They too got squashed and snapped easily. Once again it could be a game between midgets after a while. Finally the modern Subbuteo man arrived, (I think he came equipped with agent, WAG, and a long contract). Get behind me yesterday! Good old Arsenal,...is that you Green Hut? I hear, 'We're on our way to Wembley!'

  29. Edmund

    Apr 12, 2014, 3:01 #49312

    One last word on loyalty. I hope fans attending the matches will do a 'sign him' campaign like Walcott had. Sagna can play 3 positions and I would like to see Jenkinson on the right and Sagna on the left if Monreal is below par. Both are fast enough to handle counterattacks. To let Sagna go due to money the way we lost Cashly Cole would not be right given Arsenal's improved resources.

  30. BADARSE

    Apr 11, 2014, 20:45 #49310

    Ken that was amongst the nicest things to say. Painting the picture I called over to my wife, read the posts leading up to your final post then she too said how lovely it was. Like a family. Then I burst out laughing and read out the opening gambit of Bard's. We both thought that was so funny. You are just an upstart crow Bard, ha ha. Yes let's hope the love-in continues, it's a much better feeling. Must go as the old fortune teller lies dead on the floor.

  31. jjetplane

    Apr 11, 2014, 19:57 #49308

    Just heard Wenger on the radio and he sounded awful. Overly defensive, paranoid and very .... rich. Wigan on the other hand are fresh as daisies and even have a song for tomorrow. Expect much hand wringing and good luck to whoever wins. Anyway, got promoted Tuesday night and are now only eight leagues from the PL. Proper football and the hot dogs are a wonder to behold. Hopefully I can finish at work in time for the ITV freebie.

  32. exiled&dangerous

    Apr 11, 2014, 19:20 #49307

    Excellent read, add twenty years to it and that was me. Except I tippexed the red sleeves on my club edition subbuteo set and purposely snapped Frank Stapleton when he signed for Man U.

  33. maguiresbridge gooner

    Apr 11, 2014, 17:46 #49306

    Bard, yes indeed and when we win tomorrow lets hope every body remembers (players included) we're into a final and have won nothing yet.

  34. Bard

    Apr 11, 2014, 17:34 #49305

    Lets hope the love in continues through the weekend. The players need to stand up tomorrow. The boss looks shot to pieces at the moment, he'll be a passenger tomorrow. His whole career resting on one game. It shouldn't have come to this. The end for emperors and dictators is always bloody and unpleasant. Win the FA cup, secure 4th place and retire.

  35. Ken

    Apr 11, 2014, 11:50 #49304

    BADARSE Did anybody tell you are great well you are. "ARSENAL TIL WE DIE BADARSE Arsenal forever mate.

  36. BADARSE

    Apr 11, 2014, 11:39 #49303

    Ken, you have no need to offer your credentials chum, it is obvious to me you are a 'stick of rock' type-Arsenal printed right through the core. Ron, I knew you were doing the 'safe-guarding' bit, which is nice and quite sweet. Thank you to you pal. To both of you and the others in this enormous and discombobulated 'Family Arsenal', the battle cry has to be, 'We're on our way to Wembley'. Sing up, I can't hear you Green Hut. (even with the rubbish seats). Oh goodness! Now the lion-tamer's whip doesn't crack anymore!

  37. Ken

    Apr 11, 2014, 11:26 #49301

    BADARSE. The Manager in the past has been great, but his downfall is that he as been at the club too long without silverware you know that. Has regards to the team I watched them over the last few weeks and it's not the Arsenal I know and love Believe it or not I have and always will be an Arsenal supporter.

  38. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Apr 11, 2014, 11:07 #49298

    a pleasant enough article, harmless in its way, but I can't help reading it and thinking about The Fast Show's Ron the Manager. "aah, wasn't it great, the 50's eh?". Nostalgia sure ain't what it used to be. As for tomorrow, let's not take Wigan for granted please AW. Last season should have given you enough prior warning.

  39. BADARSE

    Apr 11, 2014, 11:01 #49297

    Ken, nobody should be a 'fan' of a manager. Ideally you recognise the achievements he attains and laud them, and personally decide when he is failing and say so. People arrive at the second of my suggestions at different times and by different degrees. Unfortunately football clouds the general issue, mainly because of our 'connection' with the club. He is a hero because he helps our cause or a villain because he hinders it. My main gripe is the insulting diatribes rendered. I am not a prissy person and perhaps can mix it with the best, but just see rants as needless, and on occasions offensive. Right now my team talk is to put away any differences, strap on our armour, draw our swords and let's do battle! There is a glittering prize on yonder hill and it may have our name on it. No matter what, right now we should be, 'Together, Together, Together.' Good old Arsenal. A nice lady from Leicester died today, Sue Townsend. A glowing example to all that an academic failure was a wise, thoughtful and gifted individual. Another topples off that moving conveyor belt, and falls into oblivion. Life is too short Gooners, let's just do this thing!

  40. Ron

    Apr 11, 2014, 10:35 #49295

    Hi Edmund - Im a Rafa fan mate. Hes very astute and hes one id have for Arsenal. Hes not everybodys cup of team i know, but hes got lovely integrity and tactically there are few better. Always liked him after his truth blast at Man Utd and Ferguson that the papers and SKY all hammered him for, calling it a 'rant'. Every word was true. Hes the only fella who ever had the balls to speak the truth about Manure. Much respect to him.

  41. Ken

    Apr 11, 2014, 10:21 #49294

    Has you all know I am not a fan of Wenger. But good luck to the team on Saturday. "UP THE GUNNERS ARSENAL FOREVER".

  42. Edmund

    Apr 11, 2014, 9:54 #49293

    Ron,point on gratitude both ways taken. Still,you need to look to Spurs to see the difference. All that spending and no CL spot. Smithy, I'd agree on starting Ramsey and Gnabry but I'd rather he gave the striker role to youth players with more pace. Maybe Akpom. Too bad AW gave up on Park too soon. He would have offerred something different.The worst thing to offer a tactically astute opponent is a fixed teamsheet. Rafa Benitez always announced his at the last minute and got the better of Fergie and Mourinho.

  43. Geoff

    Apr 10, 2014, 23:14 #49290

    What a lovely story to warm the cockles,lets hope we can round this season of with more wonderful triumphs and a record eleventh FA Cup victory would be just the tonic. Arsene won't let us down that's for sure and I can see the man showing his brilliance and getting us to another final. I've always been a huge fan of Mr Wenger Even though sometimes I feel like a football widower, as my wife has a signed picture of the great man which she often plants a big kiss on after each win so I will be hoping she has the picture in hand come Saturday evening. We can only hope, 'Up the Gunners'

  44. smithy

    Apr 10, 2014, 18:24 #49287

    If Arsene played subbuteo he would continually finger tappy outside the box,never actually getting into the box or having a shot.He would also buy his part broken players at jumble sales while his mates moe rinho and pele grini buy the best shiny players from sports shops.In all seriousness I am quite nervous about sat as our Guts seem to have disapeared.We need to play with pace and be brave- I'd start ramsey,ox,gnarby and sanogo.

  45. Ron

    Apr 10, 2014, 16:08 #49282

    Edmund - No. Not really. AW never achieved anything on his own. He has been a significant presence at Arsenal along with others there during his tenure, but as has been said the Club were great before he rolled up.No greater now as everythings relative, but just different. 4th spot isnt 'dissapointing' either. Its the manner of how and why we end up at 4th spot thats dissapointing. 4th spot if the Club was being genuine about where its glass ceiling was would be fine.The Club arent genuine. We do need to move on as you say. Its my view that the present incumbent of the Coach's seat is regressive to the Clubs progression. The fans 'owe' him nothing. Hes been handsomely paid for doing his job. We can thank him for his successses, but owe him? Never. He owes us maybe and owes Arsenal. The Club has been great for him. Its a 2 way street.

  46. Any Old Iron

    Apr 10, 2014, 15:50 #49281

    Yes thanks for this. Edmund, Wenger is a substantial part of our history. Yes, his managerial era at our club will always loom large for us both good and bad. But, Arsenal are much more than that. We have always been an English powerhouse, AND ALWAYS WILL BE., Names from the past:- David Bone Nightingake Jack. A Transfer record back then when Arsenal recruited him from Bolton Wanderers. Winning the cup in 1930 under the gaze of the Zeppelin and signalling a shift in power towards N5. Ted Drake 7 goals at Villa Park during Arsenal's dominance in the years leading up to WW2. Ronnie Rooke's 42 goals which kept Arsenal in the publics imagination. after the end of WW2. Lishman, Kelsey, Compton brothers kept us in the 50's mix with great sides like Spurs' push and run, Wolves, and ' the Babes' as the decade ended. The lean years followed. Bertie Mee's great side that jostled with the mighty Leeds Utd, Shankly's Liverpool and Clough's Derby. County. Alan Ball came to us for another record transfer also. Then that side was broken up much like post invincibles actually. Then we got my idol for another record transfer fee:- SuperMac! What a powerful forward who kept us in the limelight. Then Terry Neill's side that should've won more, but ultimately suffered some heartbreaking defeats at the hands of Ipswich, West H & Valencia. That season Arsenal played a record 70 games and fell in two finals. Who cried for us?! The term 'lucky Arsenal' has been bandied about down the decades, due to our glory decade of the 30's. Arsenal are not lucky, the stats show numerous catastrophes. Swindon Town, Alan Clarke's diving header, Sunderland giant killing in 1973, Luton Town, Real Zaragoza, Galatasaray, Barcelona then Birmingham in 2011. Brian Talbot was another I admired a lot. Then Chippy and Stapleton left and we got Woodcock and Mariner who I saw alongside the late Tommy Caton. Those were great times I'll always remember. Arsene Wenger is a big part of Arsenal, but Arsenal are much much more than that. We are ****ded in British & World Football's psyche.

  47. maguiresbridge gooner

    Apr 10, 2014, 14:14 #49276

    It would be nice to still be the Rolls Royce of the footballing fraternity instead of the laughing stock, but the only one you'll see at Arsenal now is the red one sitting out side the ground done up in our colors and memorabilia, while inside there's an old banger.

  48. kilkenny cat

    Apr 10, 2014, 13:08 #49272

    My favourite kit was the 79 cup fnal kit. My mum cut out a number 7 and stitched it on the back. I wore it for years and wish i had kept it. Brady was god to me and still is. That was my favourite Arsenal team too. Not the greatest but the one i have the most affection for. Have very little for this current bunch of wasters.

  49. Tony Evans

    Apr 10, 2014, 12:43 #49270

    An interesting read, Alex, some of which I recognise from my formative years through the 60s and early 70s - although some things you mentioned had changed or were beginning to change by then. I wonder how you feel about this new corporate Arsenal that has evolved since 2005? It is not to my taste - far too focused on money and not enough on football. Also give me a no nonsense manager like George Graham (bung and all) over someone like Wenger any day - we might then see a return to a more resilient Arsenal that doesn't roll over every time the going gets tough.

  50. Mark

    Apr 10, 2014, 12:37 #49269

    A great read Alex , brought back memories of my Subbuteo !!!!!!!!!!! thanks

  51. jjetplane

    Apr 10, 2014, 12:31 #49267

    Amazed people remember so much detail as I was there in the 60s and my recollection stretches to Armstrong running up and down the wing and my cropped head just visible over the schoolboys wall. We never moved out but did go upmarket when we got a bath that wasn't a tin one! As someone close to that buzz and who kicked a football around all day every day I get what WENGER OUT is saying. All a bit of a spin to hide the fact that the current Arsenal are plain **** without even a semblance of working class culture about it. Now more interested in the Athletico/Liverpool phenomenon. Up for both of them now and if they do it there will be no hiding for the economist and his master. I too have memories of West Ham fans throwing trollies through Tesco's windows while we hid on a bus! Oh the days! That particulat one also involved jumping off the bus to walk into a major car accident involving a newly married couple. Terrifying. But there is/was Armstrong seemingly miles away skipping around the nation's 'hod carriers'. A word to the chipolata - do not mess with Freddie!

  52. Edmund

    Apr 10, 2014, 12:06 #49265

    Perhaps a timely reminder of the gratitude we owe Mr Wenger for the club's development to the point we regard the 4th spot as disappointing. But nostalgia aside, we need to move ahead. Alex the boy has grown up and so has the club.

  53. WENGER OUT

    Apr 10, 2014, 12:04 #49264

    A very nice read and a well written piece Alex. I can't help but detect a very thinly veiled 'times have been worse so stop complaining about the manager' vibe, but I'll ignore it because what went before was very enjoyable to read.

  54. Freddie's Armani pants contain's a terribly small chipolata

    Apr 10, 2014, 11:50 #49263

    What a wonderful piece written by Alex. In amongst Arsene's acolytes dribbling incoherent ramblings through the side of their mouths and onto the keyboard like our friend Freddie above, there are still wonderfully written articles by people with Arsenal in their hearts. My childhood day's were from the very early 80's. Less about the club and more about the genuine support would be a nice thing to read more of.

  55. Ron

    Apr 10, 2014, 11:47 #49262

    QG - Ha - well said mate.... and quite possibly he has a few tatoos on his arms and head and walks the streets with an demonic looking bull terrier type dog. You know the type, the dog makes up for the lack of dick length and probable erectile dysfunction!

  56. QuartzGooner

    Apr 10, 2014, 11:39 #49261

    Thanks for sharing. Younger readers may not have realised some of that. As for the comment from "Freddie's Armani Pants", I can only guess that you have a small penis and have somehow convinced yourself that you are compensating by being a troll.

  57. Freddie's Armani pants

    Apr 10, 2014, 11:23 #49259

    Yawn. Are you serious? How self indulgent and boring. Did you even bother to read this back to yourself before posting this? Does anyone actually care about any of this apart from you?

  58. Ron

    Apr 10, 2014, 10:59 #49257

    Great read. Im guessing youre about 7-10 years older than me Alex but youve just described a window of my boyhood too. It was Groves, McCullough, Brown, Sneddon and Co when i was first hooked. We were still 'royalty' but my word, the crown was well skewed and had slipped off the Clubs head well and good. An epoch when a game v Tottenham and Chelsea meant almost a routine and certain defeat!