Cup final ticket ballot thoughts

Those that applied together will not all be at Wembley



Cup final ticket ballot thoughts

Wembley: 45,000 into 25,000 won’t go


The recent ballot for FA cup final tickets has inevitably resulted in disappointment for many fans. Whilst I accept that there is no easy way to decide who gets a ticket, and who doesn’t, the method adopted by the club this year seems particularly haphazard in it’s approach. The idea of a random ballot appears to be a fair way of deciding who gets lucky, and who misses out, and those who got lucky will no doubt sing it’s praises. There is however a major problem with this system, and that is the desire for a group of people to go to the match together.

This desire was recognised by the club when they allowed a group application for the ticket ballot, and many people would assume that if you apply as a group you will either be accepted, or rejected, as a group. This however was not the case, and if you read the application process through to the end, as I did yesterday, it clearly states that each member will be treated individually when the ballot is held, and people in group applications may well end up with a different status. This was the case concerning my own group application, and from reading the social media, many others as well.

I go to games with the same group of friends every week, and we sit next to each other in the ground. We went to the semi-final together, and wanted to attend the final together, so we put in a group application. On checking the status of our application I found that only I had been successful, and the others had missed out completely. I really want to be there when Arsenal finally lift a trophy again, but I have no desire to do so without the people I regularly attend matches with. I would rather have missed out than be the only one with a ticket, and talking with the others it would have been a case of all of us or none of us.

If the group had missed out we would have been disappointed, but accepted the fact that we were unlucky in the ballot. Our missing out may have meant that another group could have gone and enjoyed the match in the same way we would have done, together. I know some people will attend matches alone, and are happy to do so, but a vast majority go with at least one other person.

I assume that the ballot picked as many members as there were tickets available, and then a few reserves for those who did not buy a ticket. Would it have been unreasonable to have accepted group applications as one, and linked them together in the ballot? Then if the lead applicant was chosen the ticket count reduced by the amount of people in the group. Obviously a limit of the size of group application would have been required, but it would have been a simple task for modern technology to cope with.

Any ticket allocation method has it’s flaws, but the random ballot is the most unfriendly way of doing so. Football is a shared experience, and a random ballot does not consider this vitally important aspect. I think it’s a shame that the club chose to overlook this when deciding on the allocation method.

If I decide to go on my own, I will undoubtedly sit with thousands of other Arsenal fans, but I will be alone. I may have a brief chat with the people around me, but all the things that make my match day experience will be absent. Because of this I will probably pass up the chance of a ticket, and meet my mates in a pub where we can enjoy the game together.


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  1. Ron

    May 06, 2014, 21:08 #50876

    GH - Very fair comments mate as per usual. The Eng international game ticket idea is a good one. Its very reasonable to say as well that the allocation amount to Clubs other than the finalists is far too high.

  2. Green Hut

    May 06, 2014, 18:10 #50863

    Ron- Not disagreeing with the principle that a number of tickets be given to long-time and unsung servants at the grass roots of the game, what I have an issue with is why the number allocated to 'the football family' needs to be the best part of 20,000 every year. I've never yet been to a Cup Final and come across vast swathes of neutral fans, the reason being that the system as it stands merely encourages greed and while clearly most tickets do eventually go to supporters of the two clubs, it's the well-heeled supporters able to afford ridiculous tout prices while poorer fans miss out. That's where selfishness lies mate, and as for arrogance well as a club Arsenal certainly are but that's no reason to punish the fans, they're not all loaded! No problem with a more reasonable allocation to the football family with tighter checks (ie not simply a name given to the FA of the end user) as certainly those you have described and others cut from a similar cloth deserve thanks and recognition but while a Cup Final ticket is a fine reward for lengthy service I don't see why premium seats for a meaningful England game wouldn't be as attractive, at least the likelihood is that the recipient would actually support one of the teams.

  3. Tall GoonerPaul

    May 06, 2014, 13:39 #50841

    Can I just confirm that Club Level season ticket holders were treated exactly the same as normal season tickets holders. If you had been to 3 away games as I have you got a ticket, if not you went into the ballot with the Gold Members

  4. Alan Alan Sunderland

    May 06, 2014, 9:42 #50828

    I believe a home points/credits system is fairest and would go a long way to solving our problem of having so many empty seats at home games. @GP - I actually think people need to be encouraged to pass their ticket on, so not sure I agree about the zero points for selling it on ticket exchange. Slightly changing the subject, but the system could also give people a chance to pass on their ticket to people who don't normally get a chance to go to Arsenal. Some kind of gesture of good will, allowing local kids to go on the cheap/for free for example. If people aren't going to pass their ticket on, they may as well let someone who can't normally afford it have it for free.

  5. Sanjay

    May 06, 2014, 6:08 #50816

    Sorry the idea that the longest serving season ticket holders should go to the cup final is ageist and ridiculous imo. I cant even imagine what that would do to the atmosphere in the ground but its fair to say younger fans are generally more vocal. I can vouch for that having been through that phase myself. As has been stated the applications should have been accepted or rejected as groups. This has meant that many groups of two where one has been successful, that I know, wont be taking up their right to a ticket. With regards to the future a credit system that is linked to attendance at home or away games is fairest in my opinion. With 2 credits for each home game scanned through the turnstile and 5 for each away game attended. Then the club don't need to do a ballot, the most loyal fans get tickets.

  6. Ron

    May 05, 2014, 23:36 #50813

    Green Hut - Not a wind up at all. Youre right, some do that ie a sell of tickets, but speaking as one who has been part setting up and running 2 clubs whove both survived nearly 35 years of local football, i can say to you that ive seen some very happy people win FAC ticket raffles down the years and go to the Final of the FAC and for their unsung services to local football, local FA s and local authority football management and the coaching of many hundreds of young schoolboys they deserve to as well. Your comment with all due respect smacks of the arrogance pf PL football Clubs fa, especially those of the top Clubs and to be be honest, it underlines why im glad ive more or less dropped out of being a committed match going fan. Your view is partially but only slightly right in practice but a very selfish view in my opinion.Its not the end of the World not to get a ticket. The filthy practices that went on for the 2006 CL Final were far worse than the FAs system, but did anybody do anything about that? Did they f--k. Not so much as a whimper in fact. Its on the TV and i'm sure Arsenal will make a big occasion of it at the Emirates.

  7. GP

    May 05, 2014, 17:49 #50795

    What about a points system? 1 point for a home game ( 0 points if you sell your ticket on the ticket exchange ), 2 points for an away game and 3 points for an away european game? It might encourage the hundreds or thousands that have a season ticket but don't turn up for home games. For the record we got 2 tickets out of 4, it leaves a bad taste in the mouth for the unlucky two people. I agree the application should be linked to ballot, all successful or no one successful

  8. BADARSE

    May 04, 2014, 17:44 #50758

    Ha ha, I still love you jjetplane.

  9. jjetplane

    May 04, 2014, 17:31 #50757

    Reading student essays for my sins today. Just managed first/ last sentence of yours. Keep up the good work! Back to work. By the way - I am not a teacher, unlike yourself. Happy bank holiday. Classic cars, continental market, Arsenal fourth, and ah cauliflowers. Knew there was something missing.

  10. BADARSE

    May 04, 2014, 16:44 #50756

    jjetplane, I am a thought inside your head, disembodied searchings, and nebulous discoveries are questioned. I see through your eyes, through languid lidded portholes. I rise and feel the soft dampness of the brain above, touching my hair, sending rivulets dripping down the back of my head, smelling of green tea. I have to stoop, then tread gently on this marshmallow floor. My stride is slowed, I am moving in time with yesterday. I reach and touch the doorframe, it is sticky and I pull my hand away as it whispers, 'The asparagus is in the pot.' At the mention of the word I hear vaguely a shifting sound envelope me as those 'Good Vibrations' reverberate from ears to ceiling and around me. Stepping into the hallway the purple haze bursts into a flash of technicoloured shards of light and the passage illuminates into a bagatelle of pinging sounds, and clipping flippers. I touch the wall and unforgiving fingertips touch mine. A wisp of scent allows tendrils of violets to find their way into my nostrils; they are breathed deeply into my lungs. I walk backwards towards the place marked entrance and arrive-just before I left. I see the sea, you are home. Life is not the cauliflower you thought it was-we have achieved fourth place once more.

  11. jjetplane

    May 04, 2014, 16:08 #50755

    Fourth celebrations under way. Quick run around the pitch as everyone is rushing to get out. Job done! Can still knock Chelski off third place. come on you rip-roaring ... where is everyone? Just us MG ....

  12. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 04, 2014, 16:01 #50754

    Rocky RIP, doesn't surprise me in the slightest, i know a guy not personally and he's not involved with the same supporters club as myself he's had a season ticket for about twelve/thirteen years, the last five seasons he's been at six games last season one game, this season no games (alright maybe he's as pissed off as the rest of us and didn't think it was worth it, and didn't want to spend the dough but why keep spending it on a season ticket,no matter what people say season tickets and individual tickets are easy enough to get at the minute) i don't know if he applied for or was successful for a ticket for the final but if he did and was it's certainly unfair to those going regularly who missed out.

  13. jjetplane

    May 04, 2014, 14:30 #50752

    Diaby back - Ramsay lined up for bidders. Masterstroke. Supposed to be working on here - sundays .....

  14. jjetplane

    May 04, 2014, 13:42 #50751

    'Emirates half full as match starts timidly. Arsenal 'fans' still coming into ground'. Dontcha love that 'end of season' finale feeling? ....... 'How about a little snack or two - we could pop into our seats when Arsenal have scored a couple...'

  15. jjetplane

    May 04, 2014, 12:25 #50750

    'the shackles are off. Now Arsenal can play with freedom'.

  16. BADARSE

    May 04, 2014, 11:37 #50749

    Brothers in arms Rocky RIP. Parken, the freebie AFC bags on the seats with AFC balloons, and other little bits of memorabilia. For me the drive down to Rodbyhaven for the Ferry over to mainland Europe. Buying a Danish newspaper with the lads plastered all over the back page. Scarf flying from the car window through 5 countries before landing in the 6th. Got my big chunk of Danish Blue cheese to bring home and a smile as wide as a chimps. Happy Copenhagen to you buddy, all others who still hold memories-in any way.

  17. Rocky RIP

    May 04, 2014, 11:03 #50746

    I agree with the introduction of home credits. There were 600 season ticket holders at Arsenal who attended 1 match last season. They left their seats empty for all the other games. Sickening. People should be rewarded for attendance and incentivised to fill their seat if they cannot attend. Empty seats kill the atmosphere. People being rewarded for loyalty is the fairest system there is. The idea that these day trippers who own STs and only swan up once or twice a season may be at the final ahead of other more deserving fans is just plain wrong. (For the record, I don't have a ticket either. I'll be in a pub around Arsenal where I reckon the atmosphere will be better and more full of proper Gooners and less hot dog chomping plastics diluting the passion.) Happy Copenhagen day Gooners. 20 years ago today. Those who there know.

  18. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 03, 2014, 20:24 #50740

    Bard, heaven forbid there's any repeats haven't you heard? next years our year (again) we're not far away (yet again) we just need a bit of tweaking (yet again)make no mistake this time next year we'll still be as far away as our first piss.

  19. Peter Wain

    May 03, 2014, 19:42 #50738

    surprisded to see that Wneger has admitted that we will not buying big again considering season tickets are in the process of being renewed. Usual tripe about only needing three players and how difficult it is to buy players. IF YOU CANNOT DO THE JOB DO NOT SIGN THE CONTRACT

  20. Bard

    May 03, 2014, 18:46 #50736

    Seven Kings/Badarse now your talking ! Frank was the best leader of Arsenal I have ever seen. Undoubtedly he deserves a statue. Just read that our beloved boss only wants a couple of new players, to replace the 4 who are leaving. Looks like another small overworked squad chasing glory. Injuries will be inevitable as a result. It couldn't possibly be the a repeat of the last 9 years could it ?

  21. KC

    May 03, 2014, 16:42 #50730

    I'm totally in favour of our away support being favoured as they spend fortunes. I did not receive one and my only gripe is that I also did not get a ticket for the Birmingham final ( appreciate perhaps I was lucky) but the point is, after the away fans have been rewarded I do think that unlucky losers in previous ballots should get a higher priority than previous ballot winners.

  22. Dartford gooner

    May 03, 2014, 14:06 #50728

    I was one of the lucky few who got a ticket, I have not missed an Arsenal final here or abroad since 1968, but does that make me any more of a fan than someone who is 25 and being going for ten years. The clubs could stop the FA ticket con tomorrow if they really wanted to. All the top clubs should say if you don't give us 40,000 tickets each for the final you can stick you cup up your arse. One season without the top teams and half empty grounds and they would soon change their minds. Ivan is on various committees within the FA and he did say he was not happy with our allocation so why is he doing nothing to change it.

  23. Seven Kings Gooner

    May 03, 2014, 13:25 #50727

    Badarse : You are so right about his bottle, there is a clip on YouTube of Arsenal v Chelsea on "The Big Match" and Ron Harris flattens one of our players (Think Ray Kennedy) Frank then wins the second ball and "Chopper" then goes over the top on Frank. The play transfers down the other end and you can see Frank going after Harris as slams his forearm across his neck - that settled the issue and "hard man" Harris behaved himself thereafter, with handshakes all round at the end of the game. Nobody but nobody, took liberties with Frank as he protected and manfully captained his players.

  24. BADARSE

    May 03, 2014, 13:11 #50726

    Absolutely worst ever decision by any manager in the history of world football, and that is definitely not an over-the-top statement, Seven Kings Gooner. A handful of years ago he was still ready to sort out that Spud at the Grove, a few years back still he took on a group of rowdy rude people in a street. This man will never lie down! If only you could bottle what he is. I would get every newcomer to the Arsenal to read of him and his attitude before I ever gave them a red and white shirt with a cannon on.

  25. Seven Kings Gooner

    May 03, 2014, 12:25 #50725

    Badarse - looks like you and me are soul mates when it comes to Frank. Watched and listened to him on the webcam and he looked and sounded in great form. Selling Frank was the worst decision ever made by an Arsenal manager.

  26. BADARSE

    May 03, 2014, 11:49 #50723

    I don't want to go overboard but without sounding too mawkish I would dedicate this post to Seven Kings Gooner. You have been missed chum. 43 years ago today, my greatest night too, and my all-time hero Frank McLintock is shared my friend. What memories! They would need to build a statue higher than the Shard as a monument to Frank.

  27. Andy C

    May 03, 2014, 11:20 #50722

    Share the sentiment exactly. Even an application for two tickets made by me for my son and me to go resulted in him being successful and me not. So if this only happened to two applications, you make 4 people disappointed rather than 2. Would have been far better to give the ballot based upon the apllication not the individuals, and if you are unlucky then so be it, but more people will have been made happy than this farcical way they did it.

  28. Seven Kings Gooner

    May 03, 2014, 11:01 #50721

    43 years today - my finest night ever, watching Arsenal.

  29. Seven Kings Gooner

    May 03, 2014, 10:36 #50720

    Just listened to Frank McLintock, M.B.E, on the Danny Baker show this morning - my all time Arsenal favourite, top man and when is he going to get a statue!

  30. Graham Simons

    May 03, 2014, 10:13 #50719

    I went to the semi on my own and when we scored hugged strangers - we're all gooners so I would suggest just making the best of it and be grateful for a cup final ticket. I do think family members should be an exception however.

  31. Realistic gunner

    May 03, 2014, 7:51 #50714

    I'm sorry...did I miss something??? The club have said you only need to have gone to 3 away games over 2 years....it's not exactly a lot! They have rewarded those who have been loyal recently! Furthermore, for the big away games in London (spurs, Chelsea, west ham etc) you'd usually need 35+ away credits...not 3!!! I agree that it's not a perfect system but it's the best they can do. The second hand ticket market has gone through the roof and there are tickets being sold for £500 to £700 a ticket. This isn't the clubs fault. The system that spurs and Chelsea operate is based on loyalty and takes into consideration actually attendance of home games, away games and longevity. But then you'll get a situation where we've got a semi or final and a guy who's had a ST for 2 years over a guy who's had for 30 years.

  32. Green Hut

    May 03, 2014, 0:46 #50712

    Badger, bloody hell that name takes me back!

  33. GoonerBadger

    May 02, 2014, 23:14 #50711

    30 years a season ticket holder and I didn't get a ticket. 30 years! Does that count for nothing? Ok, I get it those that go home and away get first dibs, but why can the club not then give priority to the longest season ticket holders? Years ago, I went home and away. Now family commitments mean I have to limit myself to home games, but surlely my length of service counts for something? Of course in Arsenals eyes it doesn't. When we moved stadium I foresaw this coming and wrote to the club about it, only to be told the club has no way of knowing how long someone has held a season ticket for! Utter bull****. Christ, Virgin Media can tell me how many times I've changed my tv package, and when, in the 15 years I've been with them, can Arsenal really not look at the computor and see how many years I have renewed my season ticket on the trot? As it happens a mate who has got one cant go as he will be on holiday so he s letting me have his, so I will be there, but it does leave a bitter taste!

  34. unchives

    May 02, 2014, 22:51 #50710

    Lets just enjoy what we have gentleman and ladies and beat each other about the head at the end of the season.Gooners...Gooners!

  35. Green Hut

    May 02, 2014, 22:37 #50709

    Ron- So those that attend Arsenal games, even in Club Level, should miss out so a couple of cloggers at Land's End FC can make a quick buck posting their tickets on StubHub (you know that's the reality)? Think you're on a wind up here mate, the archaic Cup Final ticket system is one tradition that should be confined to the dustbin of history.

  36. BADARSE

    May 02, 2014, 21:32 #50707

    Always going to be sadness at this time. I've been side lined in the past as have many this. No acceptance should ever have been allowed for a national stadium to house less than 130,000. 100k was never enough because of the traditional distribution, Wembley today was always going to fail the fans. I do not agree with Ron on the distribution subject though I understand his view. I know many of these tickets go sideways and resurface in other ways. This is a day for the fans. A Wembley cup final is no place for Mr and Mrs Morris from Cornwall who help organise their local league, it is an antiquated freebie. A couple of Gooners who are heartbroken and ticketless need to be there in their place. I do recognise the benevolence of the FA and it's 'spreading around' of their flagship final, but at real fans expense does not cut it with me. A purpose built stadium of a minimum 130,000 capacity around 50 miles north of London was the order of the day. Since I was a boy speculation has surrounded the possible 'new' stadium for whenever it was going to be built. It's arrived and it has failed-never mind, it has an expensive inspirational arch.

  37. patrick

    May 02, 2014, 20:50 #50705

    Im gutted. Me and my dad, who have season tickets next to each other, applied joint. Only I got a ticket. What kind of a system is this? I go on my own and leave my dad? If anyone can offer suggestions as to where people might be passing on single tickets, please post.

  38. Ron

    May 02, 2014, 19:02 #50700

    Am i right in thinking that each of the mannequins in that Club level get a ticket regardless? Lets hope the 15000 left over can rustle up some atmosphere.Theres no fair system but its right that the FA spread the tickets they do to the pub teams and clubs all of whom have to toe its line season after season. The FAC is after all a celebration of football under the auspices of the FA governance.Its not just a Club monopolized event and never should be in my view. Its a misnomer though nowadays really as football is ran by the PL and Rupert Murdoch now both of whom tell the FA dismissively to f--k off at every turn. The FAC is like Custers last stand to the FA. Its the one last vestige of the days when the FA meant something, so they'll carry on hanging in there on s--t does to a blanket.

  39. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 02, 2014, 17:41 #50698

    This is where it really pays off for the plastic fat cats who have spent thousands on boxes and VIP seats, and only turn up for show and of course fine dining in the restaurants inside the Emirates in their expensive suits and silk ties, and more often than not don't even leave the table to even watch the match, they get first priority, and for more than one ticket too i'd hazard a guess. Only to turn up at wembley to do exactly the same with their special edition jointly named cup final scarf (probably complementary)hanging down over their armani.

  40. Fat Matt

    May 02, 2014, 16:24 #50696

    I sit with my son in the family enclosure and we put in for tickets . I had to phone up to find out my status due to the website not being updated as promised. We got 1 ticket , when I asked the lady what would have happened if my son ( aged 9 ) was successful and I was not she said that I would have been able to transfer it to me. Arsenal will blame the FA for the small allocation but this has been the same since new wembley opened. When you see Arsenal promoting future arsenal fans schemes I now know this to be utter rubbish. Arsenal do not care about the fans because the stadium is full but when the attendance drops they will ask for our support. I have said for a long time that they is more spin coming out of Arsenal than new labour.

  41. gnasher81

    May 02, 2014, 16:23 #50695

    I totally agree that priority should be given to those that travel to away matches. I may be biased, but I believe that the 'Gold Member' or season ticket holders as most people refer to them should be separated into more than just the one group. For example, my Dad has been a season ticket holder since 1970 and myself since 1995. I can't help feeling that anyone who has held a season ticket for 10 years or more (especially seeing as there were a lot less of us at Highbury) could be given a priority before ALL season ticket holders go into a ballot.

  42. Peter

    May 02, 2014, 15:59 #50692

    Trouble with away credits is we now know you should buy them and if you don't go, sell off the tickets at face value but keep the credits. Cheap way to earn priority. A bit like the many season ticket holders who place their tickets on the Exchange for all but the top games. There are plenty of them. No system will be perfect.

  43. BlondeBimboGooner89

    May 02, 2014, 15:52 #50691

    so what was the point in adding the person to your nertwork in this ballot registration process? why not just enter the 2nd memeber seperatly without linking?

  44. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 02, 2014, 15:49 #50690

    That's unfortunate Simon, but i wouldn't be surprised to find that your mates missed out in place of the fans who weren't interested in the FA Cup in the first place and thought we'd be better off out of it.

  45. Ghall

    May 02, 2014, 15:39 #50689

    The trouble with using longevity is that you then bring age inot question. If you are 20 years of age and have a season ticket you cannot compete with someone who brought a ticket in the 80's because you simply werent alive which is also unfair. I believe the system they used this year is the right way to do things away match ateendees should be rewarded. The only thing that should change is the point made in this post about group bookings. As someone with more than 3 credits i was able to book a group of tickets with all the people i wanted, so they could of doen it for the ballot

  46. Peter

    May 02, 2014, 14:50 #50684

    I agree and I'm in this position, 1 out 3 successful. I am a season ticket holder and always go with my son and daughter. I also think that loyalty and longevity should be factors, hard to define what that means but it is especially harsh of people who have been season ticket holders for 20 or 30 years to miss out, only to read at new Club Level members (who have no time spent even on a waiting list) have got a ticket. I know luck of the draw but some of us have gone through the Emirates years and deserve priority. So, complex issues. Doubt the club could ever have got it fully right.

  47. I am Gooner

    May 02, 2014, 14:46 #50683

    I was unsuccessful. I agree that people that went to away games this season should get tickets, but there were people who i know, did not attend the Everton (you had to pay extra for your own seat on this one) cup game and semi final, yet got tickets. I attended all the matches in the FA cup. What they should have done, is after those supporters who attended 3 or more away games, they should have said that all supporters who attended all season ticket holders who attended the fA cups games, will be next in line for a ticket. Never mind, as long as we win and kick start a new era.

  48. Bob

    May 02, 2014, 14:36 #50681

    The guarentee of a cup final ticket was one of the main reasons I became a season ticket holder back in the early 80s. And when that guarentee no longer applied, it was a huge factor in my decision that a season ticket - at the inflated Emirates prices - no longer met my needs. I do understand that the main problem is the FA's decision to sell off so many "Club Wembley" tickets at the new stadium which include the cup final and at the same time to persist with the ancient policy of giving away so many tickets to their so-called "football family". But Arsenal also made a commercial decision to sell as many as 40,000 season tickets in the new stadium. As people are clearly prepared to buy them in those number, I don't blame Arsenal - but for me, paying much more than I had once done for a humble clock-end terrace ticket and not having the guarentee of a cup final ticket was a deal-breaker. One more point, which I accept not all will agree with. A Cup Final is not an away match, it is a one-off match at a neutral venue. I think investing many thousands of pounds up front at the start of the year should be enough to secure a ticket, irrespective of whether you have been away or not. And if there is an excess of demand over supply, I would rather see priority given either to those who have done so longest, or alternatively to those who were unsuccessful in a previous ballot for tickets among season ticket holders.

  49. Tony Jacobs

    May 02, 2014, 14:31 #50680

    Priority was given to fans who went to away matches. What about me, I am 70, supported the Club for 50 years and when I was young went to away matches. Surely loyalty should be rewarded.

  50. Kim

    May 02, 2014, 14:26 #50679

    I believe the screening at The Emirates should be nice too, i wish i could be there :)

  51. Home and Away gooner

    May 02, 2014, 14:13 #50678

    I feel for the fans who didn't get, but the club have to give priority to those fans who not only go to home games but who travel the country and Europe.

  52. Colin

    May 02, 2014, 14:10 #50676

    Can i have your ticket