Lazing on a Sunday Afternoon

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Lazing on a Sunday Afternoon

Pre-match protests outside stadium


A sunny May afternoon, two teams with nothing to play for. Sure, West Brom could mathematically go down, but you can get odds of 1000-1 on them doing so. So in reality, they were safe. As for Arsenal, Everton’s defeat at home to Manchester City yesterday meant that the fourth place trophy was secured once again.

To think, there was a time in the season, when, looking ahead to this fixture, it could have been a nailbiter, with the title at stake. The atmosphere would have been one hell of a lot different if that had been the case. As it turned out, it was a meaningless canter, with nothing in the way of tension, except the possibility of Abou Diaby injuring himself warming up on the touchline. He didn’t appear to, although we await confirmation from the club. It was interesting that Aaron Ramsey played no part, presumably to give him a rest and avoid the risk of injury before the FA Cup Final. Would Arsenal’s season have turned out any differently if Ramsey had not missed over three months of football? Would the collapses at Liverpool and Chelsea, the spiritless performance at Stoke and Goodison Park (where Ramsey made his comeback late in the game with the result settled) have been avoided? Who knows, although given Ramsey’s contribution tends to be more on the attacking side, one doubts he would have made a difference at Anfield and Stamford Bridge where it was the desire to press the opposition early that led to those matches being settled in minutes.

So it is a case of so near, but yet so far. Arsenal could finish seven points short of glory, although they will have got close because of winning so many games against teams like West Brom, and at a time when they did mean something. It is a good habit, certainly, but the real debate for the summer is what Arsenal need to do to make the difference and push on, how they will address the areas where they fell short this season. The home form has been good in that they have only suffered one league defeat, although home draws ultimately cost the club ten points, mainly in games against teams that will finish in the top seven. So even with those disastrous away performances, more points at home could have made the difference. In reality, the odd draw will always be picked up. What Arsenal sides used to do when they were winning titles would win big games at the likes of Old Trafford and Stamford Bridge.

The noises from the manager are that he is going to stick around and sign his new deal, and some claim that the deal was signed some time ago, but that the club are waiting for the right time to announce it.

There were protests about the 3% increase in ticket prices for next season before the game, and the only regret about this is that more fans did not join them. However, the audience at Arsenal matches nowadays is far different from the likes of those who used to gather outside the East Stand in Avenell Road when they were unhappy. We are customers now, not supporters, and the club are in the luxurious position of not needing to address the unhappiness of the disgruntled. If they make the decision to withdraw their funding – as many have – the club simply replace them with those who are happy to accept what is on offer. For this reason, the increase in ticket prices will now become a regular policy, even if the money will only sit in the bank. It is a case of prices going up because the club know they can get away with it, rather than because they need to. The money is there to be made, so why not take it? Custodians in the boardroom? Where exactly? It will be interesting to see what the organisations that have dialogue with the club – specifically the Arsenal Supporters Trust and AISA – do in the coming months to combat another set of price rises in the summer of 2015. Realistically, the club has to be embarrassed by some very negative PR, so these two movements will need to come up with a strategy if they claim to truly represent supporters. The Trust are slightly more pro-active on this front, although issuing statements (see here and here for examples) needs to be accompanied by something more imaginative in terms of garnering publicity and publicly embarrassing the club. Arsenal’s name needs to be dragged through the mud to prevent annual unjustified price increases, and all supporters groups – including the more vocal ones, and the supporters clubs, need to unite and co-ordinate tactics to ensure maximum publicity.

What is there to be said about the football match that took place yesterday? Nice set piece goal converted by Olivier Giroud. More set piece goals next season please, and a couple in the cup final would do just fine. Arsenal came close to scoring a couple more times through Ozil and Podolski, whilst West Brom did threaten occasionally, but the sheer lack of tension, along with the lack of actual converted opportunities, meant the game kind of petered out. Mathieu Flamini played the more dynamic central midfield role that is normally done by Aaron Ramsey, presumably because Mikel Arteta doesn’t have the energy, even though it is a role he used to undertake at Everton. A top quality central midfielder who can complement Ramsey is a key summer purchase as the manager obviously does not have the faith in Flamini’s discipline to carry out the role.

The most dramatic moment for this attendee was when I could not initially make out the wording of the chant ‘We want you to stay, Bacary Sagna, we want you to stay’ and thought it was Arsène Wenger’s name the RedSection were singing. The evidence of recent seasons suggests it will be a black day for the non-brainwashed sections of the Arsenal support who do not accept that Champions League participation equates to glory, when the continuation of Wenger’s tenure is confirmed. If you want a word to sum Arsenal FC up these days, stasis does it quite nicely. In a season when it looked like, finally, they could push on, the same old problems reared their ugly heads once February arrived. So we end up where we usually do, in terms of league position. Manchester United dropped out of the title race, to be replaced, at the business end of the campaign, by a team with lesser resources than Arsenal.

Bacary Sagna wants to leave as much as anything because, at this stage of his career, when he looks at the medals in his display cabinet, he can’t see any for finishing fourth. Like Van Persie, Fabregas, Nasri and Clichy before him, he has grown tired of waiting for Arsenal to actually win something, although it is ironic that with the decision made (probably to follow Adebayor, Kolo Toure, Gael Clichy and Samir Nasri to Eastlands), the Gunners have progressed to the FA Cup Final.

Arsenal News Review ran a submission by a correspondent of Myles Palmer regarding a podcast interview former keeper Rami Shaaban gave in Sweden. Shaaban revealed that he was shocked that there was not any tactical analysis of the opposition prior to games (at least not mentioned to the players). Wenger simply showed them the team sheet and wished them good luck. After the game you would expect the manager to talk to the players about their performances and how they can improve. But he did not.

In the immortal words of Martin Tyler on another May 4th, “That sums it all up”. We await the announcement. It will either be in triumph after the FA Cup is won, or in a more subdued manner on the official website if it is lost, once Wenger has had the chance to disappear on holiday. At recent AGMs he has stated he will meet supporters at the end of the season to discuss the campaign and explain his decisions. He never does. Empty promises from a man of honour.

Changing tone, a bit of light relief before I finish, in regard to St Totteringham’s Day – If, in the summer of 1995 you’d bet your mate £10 Arsenal would finish higher than spurs, and then gone double or quits in every season since, he’d now owe you over £2.6 million.

Also, I have been asked to give a plug to the following event – a charity dinner for the Willow Foundation to be held in Edinburgh on 5th September. Full details can be seen here

The current issue of The Gooner will be on sale at Norwich away next weekend, and at Wembley on Wembley Way on FA Cup Final day. It can also be bought online here. It’s a 64 page special priced at £3 and includes an interview with Sol Campbell and special sections on the 10th anniversary of the Invincibles and Arsenal in the Cup Final.

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  1. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    May 09, 2014, 8:22 #51055

    Chris, you are right. Arsene Wenger is moving me to madness. I am re-reading a book about George Graham. Happy days, and when he could no longer move the club forward, he was gone.

  2. Chris

    May 08, 2014, 18:44 #51032

    We're all entitled to our opinions but I do wonder, Maguiresbridge and Alsace, do you ever think to yourselves "maybe I'm losing the plot a bit here?" I know tongues are often firmly in cheeks but really, some of the stuff Gaz and MG are comig up wit here about Wenger is just weird....

  3. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    May 08, 2014, 18:28 #51030

    Excuse me but he is not entitled to his views. Come the revolution he will be put to unpaid work expunging all trace of Arsene Wenger from the record books and the stadium in a Stalinist manner. Nobody said that the AMG's aren't crazy too

  4. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 08, 2014, 14:00 #51002

    Chris, and your entitled to yours.

  5. Chris

    May 08, 2014, 12:19 #50986

    maguriesbridge - Yes that's right, everything good is in spite of the manager and only the heavy defeats away from home are down to him. Your views are laughable.

  6. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 08, 2014, 12:05 #50982

    Gaz, hear what your saying, of course we'll all celebrate a win for the club and the team and maybe sink one or ten carlsberg in the process but yes the shine will be taken of the day when OGL pops up smiling like a cheshire cat like it was all down to him and he was right along, as someone has already said on another article it will be in spite of him rather than because of him.

  7. Chris

    May 08, 2014, 11:18 #50977

    Gaz - So you only care about things if Wenger does? Why are you continually getting your knickers in a twist over his priorities then? Slight lapse of logic, methinks...

  8. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    May 08, 2014, 9:18 #50962

    The most entertaining thing in this game was the look of restrained disgust on Jack Wilshire's face as he was patently failing to control the behaviour of his son Archie. V V Funny. As for the game, it amounted to the sort of sedate wengerbore that we have come to endure at enormous expense. For once, however, the "lap of appreciation" was merited by a team who for the most part tried very hard this season, fighting not only their opponents but the manager's lack of support for the team in all areas. Bacary Sagna will go elsewhere and we wish him well. I certainly hope that he wins some trophies. As to the Cup Final, if Arsene Wenger's negligence led by some means to the death of the whole squad ( perhaps thinking that a coach driver, like a strong midfield destroyer / ball winner was somehow not a necessity), he would find an excuse to return as manager next season, perhaps saying, "sadly, we travelled with the handbrake off". Like Sunderland, we need a miracle. We won't get it.

  9. HowardL

    May 08, 2014, 6:57 #50959

    Gooner Ray Davies will approve of your highly appropriate title. Nice to relax occasionally at football, but better with the title won, which is a real celebration.

  10. DW Thomas

    May 08, 2014, 2:05 #50956

    Oh and one more thing. I don't care if we get 2 red cards, Hull are given 3 pens and Gunnersaurus runs out and slaps the ref. We had better win. I can't imagine what this site will be like if we lose. Or the news media. Maybe some of you guys can come up with some possible Wenger quotes should we lose. Not saying I want that...but we know what's happened in the recent past. I'll be watching the game hoping we avoid the usual catastrophic event. Even a boring 1-0 would do fine.

  11. DW Thomas

    May 08, 2014, 1:38 #50955

    Have never been so bored by an end of season as this one. How lame it has all been this last few weeks. Liverpool choke, City wins again...unless a miracle happens this weekend. Still, the FA Cup looms and at least we can win something this season. Yet, I find myself thinking these words whenever I think of Arsenal and Wenger...same old same old. How we need some real freshening up! I know the WC will bring back my love of football, but, then that will be followed by more Wengerisms and dithering this summer. If no one of any quality is brought in I think my boredom next season will continue. There used to be a football club I followed. Now it's all business and $$$. What, then, is the point anymore?

  12. Freddie's Armani pants

    May 07, 2014, 23:55 #50954

    RON- yes!! Well said that man! BADARSE is going to dissapear up his own Badarse one day soon and realise that he is not nearly as funny or interesting as he thinks that he is. He just has way too much time on his hands and nothing better to do than bore us to death with his meaningless ramblings. I'm glad you said something because I know a few good folks who have become so bored with his hijacking of every single thread with ridiculous comments that they now prefer not to join in debate on this site.

  13. BADARSE

    May 07, 2014, 23:38 #50953

    Gaz. There is always the danger that a perception of something, oft repeated becomes reality. It isn't necessarily so. Arsene we assume, and I think it's a safe bet, has a priority list. I would have too. That list means the Prem League and the Champs League outweigh all others. If you have a squad which is slightly inferior to two or three other teams, why hobble yourself? Prioritise, give the kids some match practise and concentrate on the two money earners. It is the way football has gone in the PL. Due to a more experienced, older if you like, group or squad we can contest more evenly, especially with home draws. It just worked out this way this season. He is a self-confessed 'bad loser'. He doesn't throw games! He doesn't set out to lose! He also doesn't dismiss the FA cup. It was a lower priority for him-me too, that's all. However as circumstances change so emphasis alters. The FA cup is there to win, he will do whatever it takes to win it. If you seriously think otherwise I believe you to be mistaken. After all what is the evidence? Just a viewpoint based on negative reactions to a man. Football has changed, the money men saw to that. The FA cup has been denigrated due to the lousy CL. The disrespecting of the trophy happened when Man U opted out to play a world club championship in South America for a bag of gold. It is the unpalatable reality of life my friend. We all want to get off the merry-go-round, perhaps we should never have got on for the ride in the first place. It makes me laugh that people on here want to disassociate what happens at Ashburton Grove and what passes for acceptance in society. They are inextricably linked. We bale on the big one, then moan when it affects our little corner of the world. Perhaps if the real issues had been contested instead of rolling over for their bellies to be tickled, some whining on here may have effected change. Some hope. Incidentally, nice words-I didn't overlook them. Thank you.

  14. Gaz

    May 07, 2014, 22:30 #50952

    @Mike: pleased if Hull win? No not really. Won't surprise me in the slightest if it happens though. As for the rest I'm sorry I can't enjoy the day as much as you but the thought of winning a trophy Wenger couldn't really care less about doesn't particularly excite me...

  15. BADARSE

    May 07, 2014, 21:42 #50949

    Hope it made you smile jeff. H'way the lads for sure, by winning Norwich and Delia are relegated, so hope no need to expect Kamikazi tackles on Sunday from any of their lads.

  16. Wenger's departure iS a No Go ( WISH HE WOULD)

    May 07, 2014, 20:16 #50948

    Cup yes please. Jumpy up and down if we win yes yes! Wenger? NEIN, non, NO!

  17. jeff wright

    May 07, 2014, 19:14 #50946

    H'Away the lads !!! Would have sufficed Badarse... why complicate things ? Non the less your post makes more sense than most of them that appear to have been written by Carl Jung on something illegal.

  18. Mike

    May 07, 2014, 18:49 #50943

    Cant believe some of the posts -will watch the game but not the celebrations - I guess that person will be pleased as punch if Hull wins - oh no what a disaster, we have made it into another cup final. That is just terrible. what are we going to do if we win it. We cant go on about silverware anymore and then what??? We might have to smile....damn

  19. BADARSE

    May 07, 2014, 16:42 #50936

    Oooh, jefferen, so 'ee isn anserer for 'ee me ol' badger. Allas gorren 'elp 'ee. Looken yon an' whatee see? 'Aystack, gorrit? Now ere em nags o' westflowery goes an' eats 'ee up, don' it right an' all? Soes yo tell ee itaint en 'Aystack burra Bstack an' ere em still eats 'ee up. So don' marrer a tiddy bit o' 'betical science for en 'Aystack gone in th' morrow, right it is, an' so be it too you like. Now ere em nags 'll jus' trotten slows you like berrer ge' ee whippen, buttis 'Holddy on yorn 'orses!' Yelpin' 'Giddyup, Nellie!' An' me ol' badger jeffen it take on a newen trot, goen fasser an' fasser. See 'ee, whatsevr I tellin' 'ee? Namen screechen. Oi tell 'ee one is doesen en other is does. Back in th' 'ole wid yon. Down boy, sic 'im! Now 'en yorn canner tell em yon don' nederstan' tha', 'sclearassen yorn liddle ol' badger face inna shinen ploughbaden leanin' o'er 'sides th' barndoor yonder.

  20. KC

    May 07, 2014, 14:35 #50932

    @RRIP - I am a great believer in the manager being the most important indivdual at a club, and dont buy into the "players that cross the white line take responsibility" its the manager's job to ensure they do. Support can sometimes be easier when you get a spanking as the supporters tend to become defensive about their team and resort to showing loyalty not a bad thing. I do also feel it is about expectation for Palace staying up for them is massive so they can handle a poor result, but still the noise they make is impressive, funny thing I was caught up in the middle of them at Highbury and Islington this season. The Emirates is not intimadating agreed but then I dont think Highbury was either. There are to many late arrivals at the Emirates and people who arrive late, leave early at HT get back late and then leave early. I guess the crowd is made up of diehards whose weekend (me sadly) is determined by our result and those who are there for a football experience.

  21. Ron

    May 07, 2014, 14:22 #50931

    Rocky - I think the crowd has to be in the right ground to have a real effect. Grounds like SP lend themselves to a bit of bear pit mentality and thus maybe having an effect on the visitors. West Brom does, when they're playing well, WHL occasionally. Goodison/Anfield some times. Cant really think of any others. Social base of crowd's now don't really get into crowd lifting their teams. Its far too passive today. On top of this away teams mentality is different. There's not near the advantage to being at home nowadays, any disadvantage to visitors is more imagined than real. Lest be honest about the Emirates, if the away fans weren't there, it would be a very drab place.This applies to all grounds though doesn't it to different extents. The away crowds are there for a good time, had a few drinks and there is still a sense of camaraderie even today.It makes for them being more vocal. Arsenal s away support is great and always has been but they're a different breed to those at home games. On balance, while youre right to say a crowd can lift a team, im not sure they actually do. These players and matches are so scripted and its so sanitized now that the actual place a game is being played is nearly rendered unimportant.

  22. Rocky RIP

    May 07, 2014, 13:51 #50928

    @ KC - I wanted to suggest 98.5% but thought I'd be shot down in flames. Glad you agree. Funnily enough, I have seen a fan score a goal. Anyone else remember when someone climbed onto the pitch from the North Bank (in full kit?) and stuck a ball in the net? Circa 1982/83. Of course the fans' reactions to the players' performances is a two-way street. Both can lift each other. We tend to start a lot of games like an opening batsman warming up in the first few overs and getting his eye in. Not helped by fans drifting in clutching hot dogs until 3.15pm. Possibly the least intimidating away ground to visit? There's no sense of being in the away team's faces. It should be a collective effort from the off. I suppose that's what struck me about Palace's support. They were consistently vocal from start to finish, irrespective of the score or how the team were playing. It's a defiance that I admire. When we sang for 20 odd minutes at Old Trafford despite being spanked 8-2, it had the same feeling. (Although I appreciate the score line in this instance ruins the great support lifts the team argument.)

  23. KC

    May 07, 2014, 13:28 #50926

    @ Rocky RIP - I agree with your manager assessment although it might be 95 or above in importance, managers are the be all and end all when it comes to success over a sustained period. Re support no doubting Palace's support is great but unfortunately I have yet to see a supporter score a goal. What does tend to happen is that performances and results lift support which then has a knock on effect. I do find our slow starts and keep ball does not always help, when we play with tempo spud games come to mind the support noise increases. Agree re team improvement but here highlights the issue, not sure if Wenger agrees as squad improvement has been sadly neglected in recent years in my opinion a top top striker and an athletic strong ball winner are absolute musts if we really want to be serious about competing at the top end.

  24. Podolski

    May 07, 2014, 13:12 #50924

    The crowd are always eating when they should be singing. In the Fatherland we do everything together. I am looking forward to moving to Istanbul. I believe the crowd sing there. Wenger gave me a dvd of Hull. I cannot find it. I sing no 'she wore ze yellow ribbon ...'

  25. jeff wright

    May 07, 2014, 12:59 #50923

    Rocky,I don't want to be pedantic but if you are going ignore someone you don't mention them twice in a post and send them a message in latin! Victoria concordia crescit as Westie might advise. A team of top players with a good manager can always cope with noisy away crowds admittedly there is not much they can do about match officials but defending well is ,as Chelsea showed at Anfield and City did not ,is a big asset in away games at hostile places. Our defending has been shocking in away games and monsieur Wenger must carry the blame for this,not that he will do so of course,because that is the nature of the man. I feel sorry for our players when they have to go out at places like Anfield,City and Chelsea and get slaughtered trying to play Wenger's way . This may be his way,but it is not the real Arsenal one.

  26. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 07, 2014, 12:55 #50922

    BADARSE, yes from what i can remember he's one of the few that actually started to show his potential until a thug got at him (and where's that thug today do we even remember his name)and of course we support all our badly injured players and have had more than most and always will and thankfully one of them did come good even though running him into the ground of late hasn't exactly helped him, but there comes a time when you have to say enough's enough and plug the plug and of course every body will have different opinions when that should be.

  27. Gaz

    May 07, 2014, 12:53 #50920

    Theres no point in me even pretending I won't watch the Cup final because I know I will. I might have no time for this current set-up but once a Gooner always a Gooner... What I won't do is watch any of the celebrations afterwards because quite frankly I'll find it diffucult watching Wenger celebrating the winning of a trophy in reality he really couldn't care less about. Indeed his delight at winning it will be a selfish one in my opinion. And even though I'm sure it wont' make any difference one way or the other I still reckon winning it will secure his position at the Club for at least two years and probably more. Its weird because my passion for discussing Wenger on such things as this forum is now far greater than that of actually supporting his side! The only things that might see me change that stance would be for Wenger to blame himself for some of the disasterous results over the past few years and for us to make at least two big signings within the first few weeks of the season ending. Because when all is said and done I'm absolutely desperate to start enjoying the business of supporting Arsenal again and whilst I still doubt that'll be enough it'll at least give me something to cling onto. After all-and this may come as a shock to those AKB's out there-I don't actually enjoy being this negative about a Club I've spent the last 40 odd years supporting with a passion...

  28. Rocky RIP

    May 07, 2014, 12:30 #50916

    Jeff is now getting personal without knowing me (very brave from behind a keyboard) and making himself look silly, so I'm ignoring him for the time being. @FPGooner - very hard to quantify, but having the right manager (gulp) is the primary, overriding factor. It's essential. The sine qua non. (Some Latin for Jeff.) All else follows from there. An average manager with the best players won't necessarily get the right results. And the opposite applies, a top manager can get the most out of an average team. Man U of 2012/13 compared with 2013/14 speaks volumes for the respective managers. With the best managers naturally follow the right players over time, so I'd say the manager is 90-95% the biggest factor. (I'm not saying a top manager with a feeble budget and ghastly players would succeed so please don't jump on me guys. I'm assuming the manager has the players he can feasibly attract that will play his tactics.) As for the % attributable to good support, very hard to say, but it's a factor. The proverbial 12th man and all that. We still (!) need to add a striker (or two), a replacement at right back for Sagna, more competition in goal. Is Podolski off? A shame as I like him. Best finisher at the club. Lethal left foot. There's room for improvement right across the team basically.

  29. jeff wright

    May 07, 2014, 12:27 #50915

    Badarse,no idea what you are going on about trying to decipher your posts is harder than working out the code you have to put in on here to post! I always support the team at matches,always have done,this is a football forum however and I post my views on it. One of my views is that this constant demand to get behind the team is actually just an attempt to stop folk from criticizing Arsene. Now if I were Chelsea supporter I would be on here telling everyone to support Wenger, he's the best thing going for them! No idea why Rocky Rest In Peace wanted to help Palace to derail Liverpool's title challenge, all a bit weird , tbh I would have prefered them winning it to City or Chelsea , not that I ever thought mind that they would win it with their dodgy defence. Had they had a better one all the singing and shouting in the world would not have helped Palace ,and that is a fact. Not that facts count for much in Wenger La La Land of course,but they do elsewhere.

  30. KC

    May 07, 2014, 12:17 #50914

    @Charlie - Your comments re downbeat blow me away. Lack of signings, hammerings at big away matches, a squad not built to cope with our many fixtures, expensive ticket prices, promises of competing with the best after a stadium move, constantly going to big games and leaving the ground gutted, selling our best players and now when we have finance its still not used. I have been patient I have supported Wenger but to keep waiting for him to do the obvious and it never happening makes me downbeat as I support Arsenal and believe we can achieve more. Any defeat hurts but the hammerings we have had to watch tell you something is wrong, is that just not common sense? There is nothing knee jerk about the situation what so ever.

  31. Rocky RIP

    May 07, 2014, 12:00 #50913

    @ Charlie - Jeff clearly made the point that he doubted the Palace fans' support made a difference to that result. That's so misguided it's untrue. Transfer that match to a flat, switched off stadium with 10 mins left and Liverpool would have coasted home. The roar of the Palace fans at 1-3 planted a seed of doubt in LFC players' heads and they lost their bottle. The home fans sensed a meltdown and player their part and fair play to them.(As much as I don't like the Croydonites, their slightly cringe worthy attempt at being ultras has actually made a massive impact on the atmosphere at games. People look they are enjoying it for a start. The rest of the stadium is bouncing along too now.)

  32. BADARSE

    May 07, 2014, 11:58 #50912

    I am compelled to jump in here between you jeff wright and you Rocky RIP. I will state the obvious and say you are spoiling for a confrontation jeff. My grandson suffers from Oppositional Defiance Disorder, (ODD), and you display the same signs. The other day an anonymous poster wanted to have a dig at me and questioned why my moniker was in capitals, with a tacit criticism. The fact that I first posted in upper case so continued is besides the point this chump wanted to explore the deep psychological disturbances he believed raged inside me. Laughable, a conspiracy theory of the lowest trivial order. Rocky RIP's handle? I think it's great. It keeps alive Rocky's name, which is what I do with photos of my Mum and Dad around: it's why we give our offspring our family names, isn't it? Although as an atheist I don't subscribe to anyone who is dead is only sleeping, I am in touch with the spirit. Don't be so pedantic jeff, and if you don't like it live with it, or just keep throwing verbal Rockys, er I mean rocks. As I said earlier, life is simple, only people complicate it. Oh just a point jeff, I have a shared table top for me and Rocky RIP to dance on if we get the result, and providing you remove your clogs there is room for you too. Now after me both of you, 'Om!'

  33. jeff wright

    May 07, 2014, 11:56 #50911

    Rocky Rest In Peace, with-out wanting to be pedantic there is a difference between a typing error and a spelling mistake that you made twice. I was merely trying to help you to spell ' nom de plume' correctly as you appeared to want to keep using it. Obviously you must lead a very dull life if you need to go and infiltrate the Palace crowd posing as one of them. All a bit odd really,but as the actress said to the bishop,it takes all sorts... Your views on crowd support influencing match officials and motivating players may be true in some instances,but the crowd influence at Palace and Liverpool is not as big a factor as you claim . In Palaces case they have still struggled when they had it and other factors such as the manager's influence may well have been the reason for them struggling at home , and despite the claims that it helped them against Liverpool,the reality is that as Joe Ledley said Liverpool were the architects of their own downfall by assuming the game was over when they led 3-0 ,despite the drum banging and howling from the home crowd. A few bad results at Palace and Liverpool next term and the atmosphere will soon change again to a more nervy one -laugh when you are winning is always the way of things in football. It does pay though to wait before starting to celebrate winning until after the fat lady has sang.

  34. radfordkennedy

    May 07, 2014, 11:55 #50910

    Rocky..with you on the FAC mate I for one will be right up for it on the day and a good old 'moriarty' afterwards,the seasons done now nothing can be changed,no matter what spin those in charge may want to apply to a win or loss in the final,just for once this day is a fans day and should be treated as a totally seperate issue from the usual mis-givings you may have about the club,there can't really be Gooners out there who don't give a toss or who won't be bothered if we lose can there??

  35. FPGooner

    May 07, 2014, 11:51 #50909

    Rocky RIP, quick thoughts. What percentage do you think having good players, superb fluid tactics and a great coach contribute to winning a match? 80%? 90%? What percentage do you think having a noisy crowd contribute to? and where do you think we should be strengthening and looking to improve?

  36. Charlie

    May 07, 2014, 11:49 #50908

    Support does make a huge difference, I think the Highbury crowd between 1997 to 2005 was excellent especially Manure games and it led to us never finishing outside the top two. Fergie once called it a 'bear pit' Palace support is different it's more European, a load of kids from suburbia making a din in one corner of the ground playing at being ultras.

  37. Rocky RIP

    May 07, 2014, 11:25 #50907

    @Jefferson (son of Jeffers) - one can always tell when somebody's argument is lost when they have to resort to picking up on pedantic points that are irrelevant to the main point under discussion. A slightly infantile tactic. Okay, 'nom.' 'Footbal' has two l's despite what you wrote, but so what? Have you honestly never been to watch another side play as a silent neutral? (Or in this case, one who wanted LFC to lose.) Palace troll? That's desperately, pitifully weak. Our main point of difference is whether the atmosphere, noise and attitude of the crowd transmits to and effect the players. I say it does. Irrefutably. Of course it's no guarantee of success, but it helps massively. You keep mentioning Liverpool v Chelsea. How about LFC v CFC in the Cl semi at Anfield in 2005? CFC were by far the better side, but the sheer force of the support from the home crowd made a big difference. The ref/lineman's decision for Garcia's 'goal' in front of a baying kop wasn't influenced by the weight of support? Really? Our support on May 4th 1994 in the Parken stadium was a huge factor in us beating a technically superior Parma side. Support counts. Equally, negative fans can eat away at a player's confidence. Nervousness in the stands transmits to the players. They are not robots, they are human beings who pick up on the feedback from the crowd .. do I really need to make this point? Is it not staggeringly obvious.

  38. Ron

    May 07, 2014, 11:08 #50906

    On Diaby,hes a wreck really but i do reckon that out of all the players Wenger brought through especially in the 'project youth' years, he was one who could (still can for a few fleeting minutes!) really play football and play it well. Its a great shame he s never been free of injuries. Could have been a real dominant midfield force. I always remember his game v Liverpool at Anfield in the CL qtr in 2008. He was awesome that night. Gerrard couldn't get near him. Sadly, it does seem like his career with Arsenal must be deemed as over and its surprising how he's still there really. What is he now 28/29?

  39. jeff wright

    May 07, 2014, 11:05 #50905

    Rocky Rest In Peace,excuse the French but it's actually NOM de plume and not NON , non being french for no ,you have posted non twice so I thought it best to help you out on this faux pas . Footbal is obviously another subject,apart from French , that is not one of your strong points. So then, you are really just a Palace supporter trolling on Arsenal forums ,I already had you down as being a Palace supporter anyway . Amazing how Liverpool with all that singing and chanting have somehow failed to win a league title for 30 years, while Chelsea and City with their less so vocal one have been chalking title wins up recently . The fact that both clubs have had millions invested in them might of course explain why that is. Cheers.

  40. Bard

    May 07, 2014, 10:53 #50904

    Have enjoyed reading all the posts. There's more bite and niggle in them than I see on a Sat at the Emirates. I didn't get a ticket for the final but will thoroughly enjoy the day with my gooner mates. I'm stuck with Wenger till at least the beginning of next season so will put my reservations to one side for a day at least. And will turn off the TV once Wenger is interviewed with the smug 'I was right all along face' . Or if we lose his 'we woz robbed face'. We can then look forward to the usual summer Arsenal transfer mayhem aka car boot sale masquerading as squad building.

  41. Rocky RIP

    May 07, 2014, 10:49 #50903

    @Jefferson - So to summarise you're long-winded, condescending point: you don't like my non de plume; vocal support doesn't effect results; I post codswallop. Hilarious. You even claim to know where I watched it the other night. Here's a little secret for you: I actually went along to Selhurst Park and was there undercover among the Palace fans. I witnessed at first hand how the crowd inspired the come back. Let's just deal with one very basic point of your argument: You are claiming that positive, vocal support doesn't effect the performance of the players? SERIOUSLY? Of course you can point to examples to the contrary, but the overwhelming evidence is that good support can carry a team over the line. Do your best at proving otherwise. Good luck.

  42. jeff wright

    May 07, 2014, 10:33 #50902

    Ah! it's the grim reaper again, well tbh, Rocky Rest In Peace , I couldnt give a toss about Palace supporters banging drums and howling at the moon, and doubt that their vocal support has made any difference to their results , because their team was struggling while getting that same vocal support . Such as against United and City , even after the arrival of baseball cap wearing track suited fingers in his big gob whistling Tony taffy Pulis. Joe Ledley a Palace player, whose views on this I prefer to your own ones,after all he was actually playing in the game and not watching it down the pub like yourself and believing what the commentators were saying, says that Liverpool switched off after going 3 goals ahead and paid the price for it. Indeed the Rodgers outfit has lost leads away before this season and their defending is obviously something that Rodgers needs to work on. Also if vocal support is such a big deal then how come Liverpool lost to Chelsea at home when the scouse supporters , the noisiest in the league, were at full throttle? You do post some old codswallop Rocky Rest In Peace. At the end of thew day you can't beat having the best players ,Pellegrini wouldn't change his squad for Liverpool or Palace type support .Anyway if our players need you shouting and screaming to help motivate them to win another FAC to end Arsene's miserable 9 years without a trophy by beating lowly Hull then all I can say is that Wenger is not doing his job properly. The fact that he needs to win the FAC again after 9 years to try and prove that he is says it all really.(Yawn.)

  43. GaryFootscrayAustralia

    May 07, 2014, 10:30 #50901

    What I gleaned most from Sunday's action was that Mike Ashley's looking to reduce his wage bill, and Arsene would rather not pay a fee for a forward if he thinks he can get away with it. In the past, Arsene forked out for Wiltord and Reyes to be impact players in a title challenging squad. Nowadays, he's looking to be parsimonious in the search for a cheap (free) alternative to Olivier Giroud.

  44. Gaz

    May 07, 2014, 10:11 #50900

    @Charlie: I've had nine years to think this through pal so you might want to look in the mirror for those bull**** remarks...

  45. BADARSE

    May 07, 2014, 9:55 #50899

    Hi Charlie, I am an odd one as you may have gathered, but do you know what? I even get a buzz out of typing your name-the great Charlie George left an indelible impression. The problem with two year contracts creates other convolutions. When do they sign extensions? For what limited duration? When do renegotiations begin? And a multitude of other seemingly insignificant ramifications. Footballers are people, as I am wont to point out, and deserve protection, otherwise we slip further back into the dark ages, a route we are travelling in at the moment. Finances do not play a part in ethically principled industrial relations. It has to-at the moment at least-remain a decision of a manager and club policy. Two year contracts would open the door to tapping up players, more movement, and less connections or ties with any one club. Stability would suffer. Modern footballers are already hired guns and this change would only make them even more mercenary out of need or desire. I like your posts though, young gun(?!!?).

  46. Rocky RIP

    May 07, 2014, 9:53 #50898

    1. I'm very happy with my non de plume, ta. I suggest you stop using deflection tactics by making out someone else is glum when you are the one when dampening any enthusiasm around here. 2. What 'I'm going on about' is that your attitude is so far removed from the kind of support Palace showed the other night. Unwavering, unconditional and relentless. The atmosphere at our home games will continue to be dire if the stadium is full of people who will only groan that things could be better. It's only Hull. It's not the premier league, etc. 3. Stop conflating your arguments and twisting it into yet another tedious discussion about Wenger. I was reacting to people being told by you, rather patronisingly, not to get carried away with an FA Cup win. If we win I'll be celebrating my beloved club winning the FA Cup, plain and simple. Nothing to do with Wenger.

  47. jeff wright

    May 07, 2014, 9:32 #50897

    Westie,what The Eagles have shown is that changing managers can improve results. Now the former desperados can take it easy and have a couple of Tequila Sunrises live life in the fast lane wirh a holiday at the hotel California to look forward to. We have to put up with Ivan's lying eyes and hope for the best in the long run. I still reckon that Wenger's future with us depends on the out come of the CL qualifier tie - and not the FAC final. In reality that CL qualifier tie is his real cup final and if he loses it probably his swansong .The FAC one is irrelevant to should he go or should he stay . I can't see the old out of touch tactically flawed fool wanting to plod around far away places in eastern europe on Thursday nights playing in the Ropey . C'est la vie !

  48. Charlie

    May 07, 2014, 9:01 #50896

    I have to admit I have to side with the downbeats when it comes to Diaby, another leach on Arsenal's funds who seems to do nothing but mince about doing so called Arsenal PC work and pretending he's some great spiritual person bowing down to Allah every five minutes. Football contracts should be two years maximum to stop rogues like Diaby and Adebayor taking advantage.

  49. Westlower

    May 07, 2014, 8:37 #50895

    Whatever our personnel views & opinions let's call a truce until after the Cup final and become supporters & not critics. The Eagles have shown the real benefit of everyone pulling together. All things are possible with unity. Victory through Harmony, that's how AFC built their history.

  50. jeff wright

    May 07, 2014, 8:32 #50894

    From what I know of the Diaby situation the medical problems that he suffers from are not related to that long ago broken leg incident. He has some sort of muscle wasting disease and this was known when Wenger awarded him a new long-term contract.

  51. BADARSE

    May 07, 2014, 7:54 #50893

    Hi maguiresbridge. The Diaby situation is like most things, simple. They say life is simple,only people complicate it-at least I do. In basic terms a player arrives and clearly has bags of potential, but will he develop? I personally find this aspect fascinating. He begins to show then savagely injured-and make no mistake it was savage. If it had happened in a Disco or on the streets the player would have gone away. Recovery, injury ad infinitum. He is poised to return. It cannot, or should not escape any Arsenal fan's imagination of what this might bring. OK, because of what has passed the attitude becomes jaundiced it's true, but even so it is a new beginning. Now gamblers begin to lose their stake, look at what's left and have another bet to get back to where they once were, it continues and as you say finally have a last throw of the dice. The key question is when that last throw takes place.

  52. BADARSE

    May 07, 2014, 7:27 #50892

    Morning all. Well Ron that extended run of the west end hit show didn't happen-but after all, it wasn't Les Miserables-guess we were more Les Enfants Terribles. Want to be the first to bury the hatchet-no, not in the back of your head-and kiss and make up. Cup Final looms, we need to be together and any rift between two can divide some others-ah, I do it for the greater good, ha ha. Tell you what, at Saturday morning pictures I'm getting a huge gobstopper and I will let you suck it until the first colour comes off, OK?

  53. Charlie

    May 07, 2014, 6:49 #50891

    You only have to listen to Talk Sport and Adrian Durham and you will notice that the same old quick fix knee-jerk reactions to everything are mirrored by our every things gloomy at Arsenal brigade on here. There's no thinking anything through just loads of bullsh*t.

  54. Edmund

    May 07, 2014, 2:58 #50890

    I would love to see Fabregas, RVP and Vela back at the club and win the trophies they should have won if the team stuck together. Too bad this is just a dream as likely to be fulfilled as a ticket price reduction next season.

  55. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 07, 2014, 1:18 #50889

    Westlower, cheap shot? i could accuse you of the same thing on myself but i'll not lower myself (pun intended) but is that where you are now? is that where you find yourself hitting out at the person personally and not what they say? have things really got that bad? Call it what you like i'd expect nothing else as it wouldn't surprise me to find out you've tried to adopt Diaby such is your love for him on here, but i certainly don't see it as a cheap shot at all. First of all where did i say i dissociate or have dissociated myself with him? Like i alluded to in my reply to BADARSE how long should we keep showing a player compassion and keep supporting him(and whether you want to believe it or not i've given my fair share of both and like i've already said in the BADARSE reply we all wish him well obviously not enough for your liking but you are his biggest fan)a player who has and indeed still is been very very well paid and compensated for his injury problems and courage and persistence who has gave nothing back, (and if you think he deserves a medal as well that's your opinion it's not mine but i wouldn't have a problem with it if it happened i was merely asking the question does/would he deserve one?) until he's thirty, thirty five, or until he retires? whether you like it or not there comes a time when you just have to say enough's enough instead of keeping giving him compensation in the form of lucrative contracts in the hope one day he'll get better and come good, god knows we've had enough of that down the years, and i'm sure if he were to retire tomorrow with all his numerous investments, pensions, and insurance policies he and his family would still want for nothing and live in luxury for the rest of their lives. There's many an Arsenal player past and present and their families and indeed the ordinary fan on the street with Real injuries who would love to be able to say that so i doubt they'll be too bothered about, or lose much sleep over Diabys welfare or whether he gets a medal or not.

  56. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 06, 2014, 23:43 #50888

    BADARSE, i can't remember too much about him to rate him to be honest as it's that long since i've seen him, well go on any kind of a decent run anyway, or show us why he's deemed to be our saviour every four or five months and at every transfer window. Certainly before the hatchet man got his hands on him he was shaping up well to be a decent or good or even better player and when he did have the very odd run before breaking down again, like you say he's been well compensated down the years for that but there's only so long a club or manager can keep paying compo by way of new contracts and that goes for any player when their giving nothing back and we've had enough of them when fully fit. Of course we all wish him well and i'm sure he'd give up all his wealth to be 100% fit again, but alas i don't think there's many fans that truly think or believe we'll ever see the best of him if at all. Getting back to the medal situation what i was more or less alluding to when i asked the question does he deserve a medal? was the fact after all this time out, playing in a final or coming on for the last ten or even starting not exactly being a big help in getting there, maybe in place of someone else who was, would it really be deserved? what would the player himself think and the others yes i've no doubt fans would think it's a lovely gesture from the club and wenger but again deserved does theo get one? Anyway as it's been such a long time since we've been in one i'm not that familiar with the rules so it might be immaterial anyway maybe a player has to have so many appearances to qualify for a medal or wenger can name someone on the bench or play him that has never even played a first team game for the club before and he'll still get his medal, or maybe there's one for the whole squad regardless if you've made an appearance or not and keep everybody happy.

  57. EAST UPPER

    May 06, 2014, 23:41 #50887

    Yes, Wenger's departure I concur with you. Most Gooners now can't stand him. Cup or no cup.

  58. jeff wright

    May 06, 2014, 23:15 #50886

    Thh, Rocky Rest In Peace , I find your nom de plume to be a bit heavy and rather sad ,so why don't you try and be a bit more cheerful chum? I have not seen Palace type support at our home games since we were at Highbury so what are you going on about? . Just how many times does Wenger need to win the FAC to try and pretend that he is taking the club forward ?

  59. Gaz

    May 06, 2014, 22:57 #50885

    Those of us who like to play 'Wenger bingo' will be crossing off yet another quote tonight! 'I wanted Eden Hazard but I couldn't compete with Chelsea's financial muscle...' At the rate he's going its gonna be a full house for somebody soon!!!...

  60. Rocky RIP

    May 06, 2014, 22:55 #50884

    @Jeff Wright - nobody asked for your 'advice'. You're saying nothing I don't already know and are being very condescending. To say nothing of being a total wet blanket. Crystal Palace could have done with your passion last night. 3-0 down in a meaningless game for them, but did that stop them hauling their team back into it? Maybe they should pipe down too.

  61. Ron

    May 06, 2014, 22:48 #50883

    Oh dear Badarse. Like i said, why you get such a hump is a mystery, but you're betraying your spiteful side again with that riposte i see. Carry on haranguing me if it makes you feel better though if you must. You've yet to make an inroad into this little mini exchange, so i can't say quit while you're ahead, but at least show the humility to reverse out of the cul de sac you've driven up and find a road that you know. Failing that just drive home, take a single malt and retire early.

  62. Gaz

    May 06, 2014, 22:37 #50882

    @BADARSE: You know I love you fella but you're way off track if you think anyone follows big Ron on here. He's got a classy way of saying things but our views are very much our own! Funnily enough I was at a party on Sunday and got chatting to three Gooners. Two were very much anti-Wenger so we got on just great! The other was very much pro-Wenger until I worked my magic on him lol!!!...

  63. jeff wright

    May 06, 2014, 22:26 #50881

    All those FAC wins were at home, we didnt beat those sides in league games away,and other than kamikaze Rodgers Liverpool in the league at home or away either.Calm down now is my advice and get a bit of reality into things.

  64. KC

    May 06, 2014, 22:02 #50880

    We can rejoice if we win the cup after all we support Arsenal. It will also be nice to stick it up every reporter who can not wait to mention the years with out a trophy. Right now a trophy is required. But and it's a big but an attitude change is required so that when we attend games against quality opposition we should have a hope that we can compete. At present we can not and it has been this way for several years I don't believe there can be any argument other that.

  65. Rocky RIP

    May 06, 2014, 21:49 #50879

    @Jeff Wright - 'you can get all excited about beating Hull.' Very patronising and a sh!te attitude for a fan of any club. You're conveniently over-looking that we beat Liverpool, Tottenham and Everton en route. I make no apology for getting VERY excited if we win the FA Cup. Especially when moaners like you continually point out that we haven't won anything for x years. I'm a traditionalist. Finishing above that lot and winning the FA Cup will always get me excited.

  66. BADARSE

    May 06, 2014, 21:47 #50878

    WENGER OUT, funny, I like you too. Thanks for the advice and you are very close in terms of my lecturing. It is an unforgiving trait and my normal demeanour in life is not as such a stuffed shirt type. My response might be just a gentle chide or tut in real life. It loses translation with this posting lark. I offer no excuses or pleas but do you realise how irksome it all gets when an individual is in a minority? Ron tells it like it is! Oh yes and strangely the people he insults, or falls out with on a semi-regular basis, myself, westlower and even recently julesd, just happen to oppose his views. Of course your comments were flippant and not a wickedness of evil intent, just a flip post. I knew that, and I wasn't being severe. I did want to get across that I still have a hunger and a burning desire to win. That hasn't dulled or been compromised over the years. I am the all-singing dancing happy Gooner, and want to remain so as long as possible.@ To you Ron, this could be like a west end hit show, and just run and run. Sorry you didn't get what I meant when pretty much every 'joined-up' Gooner I know would know I meant Liverpool the team when I posted of the 'medias darlings', but not you. You laid claim my post on this score was ambiguous, how come then that you didn't give the benefit of the doubt, or perhaps fall the positive way rather than the negative, especially as we had previously discussed the subject. If the answer is anywhere along the lines of me being on the other side of the fence to you then despite the claims to the contrary you don't just 'tell it as it is', you shape it to suit. Mystical? When I debunk all forms of cosmic nonsense at every opportunity? Perhaps it's just a ying and yang thing between us. Anyway we've both said our piece and things will revert to type pretty quickly no doubt.

  67. jeff wright

    May 06, 2014, 21:15 #50877

    lee arsene fc,I just give my views ,it's called democracy .I'm happy for Arsene to win the FAC again for the 4th time after 9 trophyless years,but let's keep it in perspective it's not the European Cup or Prem title is it? Anyway you can get all excited about beating Hull if you want to do so and if it goes wrong then you will just disappear again . As for Charlie,well he just changes his name and pops up posting the same old AKB crap. Where there is no sense there is no feeling.

  68. WENGER OUT

    May 06, 2014, 21:08 #50875

    BADARSE, I am aware that generalising the views of people I perceive to be old is ageist, but I'm trying to think of some reason why anyone would afford Wenger the patience some do. It's probably linked to the reasons some people stay in the same dead end job their whole life, grow up and die on the same street - Low ambition? Low expectations? An excessive fear of the unknown? I like you BADARSE, because I think you bring something different to this site - I know I just ramble on like most others - I do think though that the lecturing nature of your posting is unnecessary, I think maybe it rankles with others as well. Perhaps you suffer delusions of grandeur, who knows! I like Ron because he captures the mood well and he generally articulates it better than most. He, like everyone on here, is no saint and strikes out at people from time to time, like we all do. You're allowed to be the monster your name suggests you are some of the time Mr BADARSE, embrace your mean side rather than pretending it doesn't exist ;-)... P.S. I respect my elders and that includes you old timer! Ron Directioner for life!! Just kidding...

  69. Rocky RIP

    May 06, 2014, 21:04 #50874

    @ Charlie - well said. The people who keep bemoaning the invisible trophy that is a top 4 finish and hanker for real silverware instead of the annual open top bus parade for a top 4 finish seem to have now dismissed the FA Cup. Actual silverware. IF we win it it represents a decent season in anyone's book. (ie. top four and a major trophy in the cabinet) I'm not deluded enough to overlook the spankings at our biggest rivals or claim not to be frustrated, but that won't stop me partying like it's 1979 if we win the FA Cup Final. (Not least to get all the moaning t****** off our backs about the f'ing trophy drought. Why don't the media bemoan Liverpool or Tottenham's title droughts. They manage to turn failure and abject meltdown into public sympathy for those two.)

  70. Charlie

    May 06, 2014, 20:46 #50873

    If the cup is now nothing for the Wob chumps and the final league position everything, why oh why bang on about the nine years without a trophy which is only eight anyway.

  71. A right Charlie

    May 06, 2014, 20:30 #50872

    Cheers LEE

  72. lee afc

    May 06, 2014, 20:16 #50871

    JEFF WRIGHT.....why oh why oh why do you have to resort to a pathetic attempt to belittle people on here who have a point of view that is not along with your opinion....i.e. CHARLIE....

  73. Clockendpaul

    May 06, 2014, 19:50 #50870

    West lower, is this a care home for long term injured players, or maybe some sort of charity based club for the infirm. Personally I thought it was a football club, not too ambitious I know with this lot running things. I would think we have tried enough with diaby don't you.

  74. David Costelloe

    May 06, 2014, 19:25 #50869

    Twitter campaign. Please tweet with hashtag: Bacary Sagna, we want you to stay. Retweet #BacarySagnastayaGooner @Sagnaofficial

  75. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 06, 2014, 18:39 #50868

    FPGooner, yes mate, there's no doubt that's why the owner and board love him it can't be for anything else. Sadly there are many fans who can just see no wrong in him either no matter what he does or says, and of course there are those that do and have even said so, but still defend him after everything such is their loyalty to him and want him to stay and that will be still the case even if we're humiliated in the cup final and that's sad, you ask a good question of why and another one could be what are they afraid of?

  76. Arnie Diaby

    May 06, 2014, 18:39 #50867

    I will be back.

  77. Buster

    May 06, 2014, 18:36 #50866

    Giroud = 22 goals. Less than Alan Smith 20 odd years ago. We need more than this.

  78. jeff wright

    May 06, 2014, 18:33 #50865

    Westie, Wenger's tactical limitations were again ,note the again, exposed against Rafa over the two games because he failed to top the group, despite only needing a draw in the second game , and was hopelessly out foxed by the cunning Spaniard in the away one . Really all of these excuses that you keep offering up are just not credible,10 men often grind out a draw or sometimes even win. Winning games at home , but losing away has been par for the course this season again for Wenger with, apart from the win over another tacitly clueless sort in Rodgers , Wenger only managed a draw against the other top managers in the Prem, Mourinho,Pellegrini, Martinez and even ,yep,Moyes also. Not good enough this Westie old chap ,not by a long way. That defeat against Rafa with the striker Higuain scoring in it, a player dithering Arsene should have signed instead of Sanago, meant we had to play Bayern ,a once top Euro side now reduced to playing ticky tacky by Wenger's mentor PG, and as a result in decline. Still though too good for Arsene. Pep has him well sussed out. Of course Wenger has ridden his luck Westie in the qualifiers at times and also in the group stage in the past, even this term, and sooner or later he will come unstuck and have will to play in the Ropey . Even Sir Ferguson did. Our season was an opportunity missed again to compete properly for the Prem ,tbh I don't think that winning it ,if it costs money to do so ,is part of the business plan , however Wenger says he is disappointed not to have got a top 3 finish, and so he should be. He should hang his head in shame over those awful defeats at struggling Moyes United, City,Chelsea and Liverpool and at Everton . A rather fortuitous FAC final against Hull doesn't in anyway compensate for those humiliating thrashings. As for gambling,I put my money on Real Madrid to win the European Cup sometime ago ,but I never take anything for granted in football ,as in life its self if you do this then you will not be disappointed. Cheers.

  79. Westlower

    May 06, 2014, 18:14 #50864

    @Maguiresbridge, Your cheap shot at Diaby says far more about you than it does the player. He deserves a medal for courage & persistence after suffering horrific injuries throughout his career. Regardless of long absences his talent has earned him 16 International caps with France & is deserving of our support. Thankfully not all supporters dis-associate themselves from players who are going through a bad time. There's a time for criticism & a time for compassion.

  80. Ron

    May 06, 2014, 18:01 #50862

    BADARSE - No real desire to debate Hillsboro save to say that you should say what you mean. Your quote - 'the media darlings (presumably the press and co) carried along on a silly (who says its silly? The LFC fans?) 25th anniversary of Hillsboro mantra' etc etc. This clearly (to any right thinking person speaking plainly and thinking clearly)says that you've read into and interpreted an event that the media have latched on to i.e. the Liverpool supporters wish to have highlighted the 25th anniversary of the disaster. You've called it a 'silly' anniversary. This interprets that the very notion of highlighting it at the 25 year stage is a silly act by the supporters. I'm sorry but there's no other interpretation. Once more you've not failed to come up to proof in your response choosing to attack the clarity of my view of your words and likening my aim to an Adebayor season. Well he scored 25 goals when he was at Arsenal and knocked a few in since, so that could be a compliment! The 'split personality' thing is a mystery to me but whatever rocks your boat fella or whoevers boat said it, but I'm pretty consistent i believe. You ll have to ask these hypothetical 'followers' of mine you've dreamed up again matey, which always amuses me if I'm frequently off beam. You shdt be so insulting to quite a lot of intelligent posters on here, all who have their own minds (it seems to me) and none seem to pander to those whose views which are only aligned to their own, which i have to say, you often choose do and always have done to an extent. You are also celebrating Liverpool's failure too (read back your own post), yet they've not failed yet have they? If the media have wound you up, that's the media for you, not LFC surely? My aim can often be bad on any subject, ive no doubt. Is yours a always so precise and erudite? I think not. You do make a rod for your own back though, using flowery language and draping your comments in philosophical mysticism. It gives the impression you've much to hide when you comment to be honest. Shoot squarely is my advice. No man hits every target smack on every time and you might ruffle a few feathers in trying. You're posts betray a desire to be a sage of sorts, as you peddle your own views of reality. That's your prerogative, but if you must do it, at least do it clearly and unambiguously. You're not succeeding right now by a distance and a ive noticed a few posters tell you as much. You have to take the flak if you want to give some out, especially if you choose to be some what condescending as is oft your style. As ive said to you before, its nothing personal, so theres no need to take a giant hump when your being challenged as i suspect you're doing so a little here.

  81. jjetplane

    May 06, 2014, 17:53 #50861

    Kallstrom (who?) is on his way back to Moscow with dear Arsene's blessing. Could this be something to do with a new statue outside The Armoury entitled The Unknown Midfielder. There are claims it looks a lot like Deeearbeeee! Bring on next season. This time things will be very different ..... Maureen.

  82. BADARSE

    May 06, 2014, 17:50 #50860

    maguiresbridge, in answer to your rhetorical question I offer a rhetorical answer, 'Why not?' Tell me do you rate him as a player? I do. I also know what an injury can do to a person at any level. To have successive injuries is beyond the pale. Of course he is a professional footballer, earns thousands whilst injured and is fireproofed from everyday situations, so it doesn't matter what we say about him, does it? Yet he is a relatively young man without all the answers-when do we ever get all the answers? I for one wish him well and really hope he has turned a corner, rather than an ankle, in coming back once more. He can only be a benefit to AFC next season if he does stay fit. WENGER OUT, did you know you were being ageist in your post? Thought not. You know age is a relative thing. What marks you down as a young guy? You can only ever be 'younger' by comparing with an 'older' person. You know many years ago an older chap told me in a discussion that he had lived his life whilst serving as a matelot in the far east-meaning he had a good experience. Try as I might he couldn't be shaken from this mind-set. I finished by saying that I loved Ruby's but on my deathbed I would still give anything to be able to go for one more with the people I love. Were you being unfair to older people? Yup, I would say so. Why only one more taste? I want more and more. It has nowt to do with being sated by former glories-each new sunrise is a new beginning, and I still see the world through the same eyes as I always did. Incidentally, be on your guard against that way of thinking, it's how the fascists began.

  83. Wenger the Misunderstood

    May 06, 2014, 17:20 #50859

    I like Ron. He reminds me of Tony Adams. Ron for manager maybe.

  84. Westlower

    May 06, 2014, 17:19 #50858

    @Jeff How did Rafa expose AW's limited tactics at the Emirates? We simply blew Napoli away at the Emirates, arguably our best performance of the season. Yes, we lost the away leg but played with 10 men, red card for Arteta, 3 minutes after going behind 0-1 + Napoli scored a second with the last kick of the game, so qualifying was never in jeopardy. Can anyone 'ride his luck' for 17 years? As a betting man yourself, you know the answer to that question. We topped the PL table after 19 games, after playing every team in PL. We've only lost one more game than the three teams above us + an unbeaten run in FA Cup. Considering the key players we lost in 2014 the team has performed well this season.

  85. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 06, 2014, 17:17 #50857

    Our saviour Diaby got his fourth place imaginary medal with his appearance on the bench on Sunday will he get a medal if he just makes the bench in the final? more to the point would he deserve one?

  86. BADARSE

    May 06, 2014, 17:16 #50856

    Ron the other point of rejoicing in Liverpool's failure is erroneous. I have never nor shall I, act in such a fashion, beyond a teasing-joking attitude to all and sundry. It again is perplexing because you and A.N.Other dubbed me BADDONNE two weeks or so ago, as an allusion to my 'each man's death diminishes me' as a tenet I hold to dearly. Once more you accuse without any considerations of what you are doing or saying. I have never demeaned Liverpool or their achievements this season, in fact it was you at the start of the season being extremely unkind and insulting towards Rodgers. Really chum it is confusing. You were tagged as having a split personality a while ago hence the 'Da Doo Ron Ron', and claims that there were two of you as you seemed to change horses from time to time. All very odd. I stated that many on here were only too ready to celebrate Liverpool's title triumph, as they have our cup final win. I merely pointed out that I couldn't hear any fat lady singing. As for AFC, well I am aware of all our club's failings, and have stated that it is run as a business. Even so it is a club many would wish for. You see the darker more negative side and drape it in, 'telling it as it is'. Well football, society and life in general has changed, so nothing is perhaps as we would like it, but it has to be grasped as a reality rather than just throwing verbal rocks at. The final point is a bit naff and obvious really. To finish 1-1 in a game by conceding the equaliser in the last minute leaves a completely different aspect than equalising yourself in the last minute. As I said obvious, though the outcome is the same. Of course Liverpool have been in the frame for longer and the excitement must have been-still be, immense. If we win and they lose their last games we would finish only two points adrift. That's what the records would show-the excitement can only be lived at the time. As I said a bit naff and obvious. Still that was something you threw in as a makeweight, nowhere had I measured our season against their's.

  87. jeff wright

    May 06, 2014, 16:41 #50855

    KC, using that calendar year claim to suggest that we were on our way to winning the Prem really was nonsensical. Even the results in it suggested otherwise . The last 10 games previous season , with the exception of United and Everton, were all cannon - fodder . No prizes for guessing the two games that we dropped points in ,and at home. So these stats certainly support your view that we had to wait and see how we got on against the top teams when all of the hysteria regarding Arsene leading us to glory was going on at the beginning of November. Tbh, I don't think that there has been any outstanding team this season ,Liverpool have looked good at home, with their attacking play , but were exposed their crucial game against Chelsea by Maureen's stifling tactics ironically ,he has struggled against these same sort at home himself .Wenger is like Rodgers a one trick pony better at home than away and was taken apart by Chelsea at the bridge in that disgraceful 6-0 beating. Wenger also lost every game against other top sides some by large margins ,just as well the FAC ones were not away ! Having said that he only managed a draw against Wigan at Wembley and needed a penalty shootout to beat them.He's certainly no genius. For me the two games against Rafa again exposed Wenger's tactical limitations ,he won the home one, - but lost away,when only needing a draw to avoid the big sides in the KO round. In fact he only just avoided ending up in the Ropey Cup by one goal. I'm certain though that he will eventually end up in it - he can't keep on riding his luck .

  88. BADARSE

    May 06, 2014, 16:40 #50854

    Have just seen your post Ron, and once more you have completely misunderstood. You have levelled other criticisms at me, but this one charge is so important I want to deal with it in isolation, the other points of the post I shall cover later. I refer to the scurrilous claim of being disrespectful to the Hillsborough tragedy. Now I begin by saying I am perplexed as around three weeks ago we were kindred spirits on this one. I have nothing but admiration for the families who lost family members, those who battled for a quarter of a century against the establishment/police and the gutter press to overturn the dreadful and false picture painted by the media to finally reach a truthful outcome-I would stand with these people always. I have no room for mawkish sentiment in anything though, and the rather disquieting use of the tragedy by those at SKY and elsewhere who milked the situation with the 'twenty fifth anniversary' line, were doing a disservice to the people who are still living with the results of the tragedy. They did this for a story, linking something cosmic to a terrible event as if it was 'written' that they should win the title, and still might. The pundits just wanted to market a populist view that they were somehow 'chosen' as if it was recompense to mark twenty five years. That sticks in my craw. You have a big following on this site as I have alluded to before. With it comes a responsibility. There are those waiting in the wings to jump as high as necessary to align themselves with what you say. That is a given and is life, therefore quite acceptable, however when you misrepresent anyone then others can be only too ready to act as echoes. I think you know what I am saying is correct. Please try not to use the scatter-gun approach so often, you may easily hit the wrong target and recently your aim has been akin to that of Adebayor's.

  89. Mike

    May 06, 2014, 16:36 #50853

    After last nights Palace/ Liverpool game, surely Pulis must be Manager of the Season

  90. KC

    May 06, 2014, 15:58 #50852

    When you study your clubs position at any time throughout the season you have to judge it by the teams you have played and what matches are left. When we were top we still had cfc, Spuds, Liverpool and Everton all away to come as well as City at home even the most optimistic supporter would have to think lets see where we are after we have played these matches especially based on our performances against the best teams in recent years. To start getting excited about calendar years or number of weeks being top is pointless as it means nothing at the end of the season. The bottom line is we end up fourth nearly every season sometimes after flattering to deceive. In some circumstances this is no mean feat but after watching the same errors and the same manager act like he is allergic to the transfer market its all very frustrating. When you then add the humiliating away hammerings surely any supporter must question the manager and clubs direction?

  91. Westlower

    May 06, 2014, 15:09 #50851

    @Marcus, You missed some embarrassing defeats pre- AW in Arsenal's locker. 1927 Cardiff 0-1 (FA Cup Final); 1933 Walsall 0-2 (FA Cup 3rd Rnd); 1948 Bradford City 0-1 (FAC3); 1958 Northampton 1-3 (FAC3); 1960 Rotherham 0-2 (FAC3R); 1965 Peterborough 1-2 (FAC4); Swindon 1-3 (LC Final); 1974 Tranmere (LC2); 1979 Rotherham (LC2); 1984 Walsall 1-2 (LC4); 1985 York 0-1(FAC4); Oxford 2-3(LC3); 1986 Luton 0-3 (FAC5); 1987 Watford 1-3 (FAC6); 1988 Luton 2-3 (LC Final); 1992 Wrexham 1-2 (FAC3). Given these results in AFC history, don't be fooled into thinking the final against Hull is a forgone conclusion.

  92. Ron

    May 06, 2014, 15:06 #50850

    Westie - Calling for early elimination from the Cups is the same as classing the tourny as superfluous. In my book being blase about a Cup exit is tantamount to disregarding it. That's a basic fact surely? No bitterness about footie Westie. Its not worth it. In Milan on Cup Final week end! Can't agree with you that the Club was ever seriously in contention though. Can kind of see why many were fooled into thinking things had changed though. Even i was wavering (a bit) until the November visit to OT enlightened me that we were as weak as a spray of cat pee again. The subsequent games were fairly predictable as was the placing at the end of what's been dull and and quite embarrassing for Arsenal in a Season otherwise generally really enjoyable for me.Losing one half of the goals we conceded v 4 decent sides was our downfall. Blaming fixtures is just too convenient. Even Wenger hasn't trotted that one out, though he might have had hair dye/gel in his eyes on the day he intended too and just plum forgot!

  93. FPGooner

    May 06, 2014, 14:59 #50849

    maguiresbridge gooner, mate, Arsene will not resign or be sacked for a very good reason; he is instrumental in making substantial amounts of money for Kroenke and is very well recompensed for it. I question Wenger's integrity in taking the money but providing a service to his employers exactly what they ask for, but not giving a damn for the fans in the form of any success for 9 years. But I ask again of those fans who think he is god, why? why do you think he is remarkable? what is this alleged fantastic job he has done for the last nine years? Can they name another club of our standing where he would have been indulged for that long? It is said that we get the leaders we deserve and vice versa, but I do question the sanity of fans who prostrate themselves at the feet of this senile codger after another season of humiliation. 4th place? forgive me for not doing a lap of honour and taking a few thousand selfies. The FA cup which hasn't even been won yet? the cup that Wenger, his acolytes, toadies and apologists spat on, and which is now seen as the holy grail? his interviews would be a comedy if they weren't so tragic - focus, speerit, injuries, Sanogo will be as good as Pele and Maradona at least, we do not need to buy, in fact we need to sell our players but not just to anyone, only our main rivals. Wenger should not be allowed to buy any players. The players he buys may come as news to him are not 'top, top quality'. They are either midgets or they come supplied with a sick note or they do an impression of the Invisible Man in big games. He almost certainly has a sneering contempt for the sycophantic fan who cheers his name. He collects £7.5 million a year as he presides over the transition from a once great club to a club which does laps of honour and takes selfies because they have reached the qualifying rounds of the CL. How the mighty have fallen.

  94. Green Hut

    May 06, 2014, 14:55 #50848

    Can anyone tell me if there is a virtual trophy available for 'Most weeks topping the league without ever being anywhere near winning it'? We could be on for a magnificent treble this season! Seriously though you AKBS, we had all this nonsense in December with 'Most points in the calendar year', you lot really need to get yourselves a fixture list and study the bit where it says the season finishes in May.

  95. jjetplane

    May 06, 2014, 14:51 #50847

    BAdARSe & WESTie (JuLEsD) why are you all so unhappy when you have AFC all to yourselves. Just think over the next two years you will be making lots of new friends on here (virtual soldiers in arms) and no more naughty bad bad Maureen or Liverpool wannebees posting on about Mr Wenger failing. Wenger has won and you really need to be a bit more sophisticated in your postings. Do not let the RONS and JEfFs of this world (though they be superior wordsmiths) upset your amazing apple cart. Once those silly little pussies are brushed aside by the avenging Kallstrom from the planet Wenger and the FAC (who?) has placated the poor hordes who hang from trees and lamps on the wonderfully renamed for the big day West upper only st ... Tears fill the eyes of a certain grandad who stands in the ganges (upper thames perhaps) and gives comfort to those who will listen. Apart from all that bollox, never been a fan of the Eagles, but my, their support has always been second to none. Nothing for Liverpool to cry about. They lost it all against that bad bad Maureen (his hair is even whiter than Wenger's this week) and his naughty attacking midfielders. Do remind me how the latter got on against your most cautious leader. Remember - you can make it up.

  96. ApolloGooner

    May 06, 2014, 14:44 #50846

    BADARSE - both Liverpool and Athletico Madrid may well fail to win their respective leagues but they do not need to win them to prove Wenger wrong. They have COMPETED! Competed until the very end ... and THAT is a thing Wenger has not got Arsenal to do since 2004. Those two sides have already proved Wenger has been short-changing us. Not that many of us needed this season to know that.

  97. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 06, 2014, 14:01 #50845

    BADARSE, I think you'll find quite a few on here find you quite amusing as well or maybe not.Of course your entitled to your opinion where OGL is concerned and i respect that, but i was merely pointing out any manager who had any sort of respect for the fans the club or indeed himself would have walked/resigned did he even offer? after presiding over all the thumping's, humiliations, embarrassments, over the last four or five seasons, any other manager would have or been sacked long ago. But i suppose when he thinks (like his apologists)he's doing a good job and has done nothing wrong and it's not his fault and deserves yet another to or four years to try and get it right it will never and was never going to happen.

  98. WENGER MUST GO ASAP(MARCUS). HES A BUST

    May 06, 2014, 13:57 #50844

    Just SACK the man. Last time I checked the club was called ARSENAL FC not Arsene fc. All these wenger lovers our deluded and have no tangible facts to support their arguments. I HAVE 6-3,5-1, 6-0 AND 3-0 BATTERINGS ALL TANGIBLE FACTS oh yeah the 1-0 loss to birmingham fc in the league cup final oh yeah the loss to bradford in the league cup oh yeah the loss to blackburn in the fa cup, oh yeah finally the 8-2 mulling to manure. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm all tangible facts why the muppet must go. ALL FACTS NOT HEARSAY OR MADE UP EXCUSES PLUCKED FROM THE AIR

  99. radfordkennedy

    May 06, 2014, 13:56 #50843

    Afternoon all..disappointed to see the screening of the cup final at the emirates is a members only day,another smack in eye for the gooners who work hard to get a matchday ticket as and when finances permit.Whatever happened to sport for all?,wouldn't it have served the club better to get as many Islington primary school kids in for free,to try and attract the next generation of gooners the greedy buggers have missed a real opportunity to give a lot of local kids a real fun day out for free,but instead the club panders to those who they perceive will spend more money on the day,what a shame the club couldn't give something back to the young local boys and girls who can't go to matches simply because of the cost.

  100. Westlower

    May 06, 2014, 13:50 #50842

    @Ron, Sorry mate your judgement is badly floored again but you seem intent on a fight. My early season view on the domestic cups was that it's better to be eliminated early so it doesn't impair the clubs bid for the PL. There is usually a price to pay for overloading the fixture list, especially as we played 2 extra games qualifying for the CL proper. That sentiment still applies for 2014/15. I don't blow hot & cold. Who knows how the FA Cup victories over TH, Liverpool & Everton affected our PL bid? We certainly lost Theo for the remainder of the season in the Spuds game. Both Merseyside clubs have benefited from a clear fixture list. Man U will reap the benefit next season. TH & Everton will get bogged down in the Europa League. Can only be delighted we're in the final anyway but sadly we won't be going to Wembley as I'm working at Newmarket races on May 17th. I still have a living to earn. Yes, I was optimistic we had a shout to win the PL, guilty as charged. We led the table for twice as long as the next club (Chelsea), 128 days v 64, so we WERE at the races for long periods! Bitter & twisted I'm not, yourself?

  101. Ron

    May 06, 2014, 13:31 #50840

    julesd - Well yes, its the trophy that hasn't counted much for Mr Wenger for nearly a decade (or is that the Carling/ Capitol Cup? I can never think which one he disregards the most. Lets assume that you're right though and its the FAC. The only redeeming feature of your post 53903 is that its the same disregard as your oppo 'Westlower' had in mind when he was clearly standing on and hoofing the stable roof,head thrown back and neighing like one of his racehorses with a touch of colic last December, as he denounced it as superfluous in the quest for 'the rip roaring title chasing, CL seeking Gunners'to tear up all before them. You really should check what Westie has said to avoid making yourself look daft again. I can see you both now, hand in hand, beaming as you walk up Wembley Way, clutching your tickets lovingly. Go on, admit it, you're both going aren't you?

  102. Tony Evans

    May 06, 2014, 13:03 #50839

    A bit nearer and yet still so far away as usual, and that will continue to be the pattern until Wenger leaves - although I can just as easily see us going backwards next season after yet another summer of transfer woe. 'The heavy away defeats cost us in the end' says Wenger - yes I thought very insightful. He goes on to say 'we were far too cautious in those games'! Cautious? If that was being cautious I dread to think what the tactical imbecile thinks is being too open against top teams that can punish quickly on the break. I despair.

  103. jeff wright

    May 06, 2014, 12:54 #50838

    Gaz, I was expecting this to happen,qualifying for the cl money is Wenger's main target and this is what he is judged on by Stan to justify his paying him 7.5m wages. The FAC is just a trinket with very little money made from it and only a Europa Cup place to be had from winning it. Hull get that now ,win or lose in the final. Wenger has to win a Qualifier tie to avoid joining Hull in the Ropey. That's the reality of it all. If we do win the FAC though be prepared for our little men posting lots of selfies of themselves manically celebrating it on Twitter!

  104. ApolloGooner

    May 06, 2014, 12:49 #50837

    Gaz - That's true mate. Although even this season Wenger has played his reserve keeper and reserve striker in the competition so he's not really shown a dramatic change of attitude towards the FA Cup. I think the home draws forced him to play stronger sides than he would have liked as well so it could have been the same old story if we'd been drawn away somewhere. But you're right, there is a definite change of attitude now that we're in the final with a great chance of winning it. It was the same with the League cup in 2011. The year before that Wenger was being detrimental about that cup saying he wouldn't want a parade for it as he didn't regard it as a proper trophy. Then when we got the final it was suddenly a very different matter ... until we lost the final to Birmingham that is. And it always makes me laugh when Wenger's army follow his lead and dismiss the importance of the FA Cup because 4 out of the 7 trophies Wenger has won are in that very competition. If you dismiss the FA Cup then surely you have to also say that Wenger has won just 3 important trophies in his 18 seasons. Hardly the man you should be offering a new 2 year deal worth £16m to is it?

  105. Gaz

    May 06, 2014, 12:16 #50836

    @Jeff right: Its quite incredible how Wenger and the Club are marketing the FA cup final as if its this huge trophy that every top Club wants to win. Truth is of course its on a par with the league cup with the bigger sides using it as an excuse to rest players or play their reserves. At the beginning of the season it was way down on our list of priorites yet now its become so big its quite frankly embarrassing...

  106. jeff wright

    May 06, 2014, 12:06 #50835

    If we do win the FAC, Charlie, and City do win the league , they tend to struggle a bit when the finishing line is in sight, then we will have had the second best season,regarding trophies won this term,this is however stating the obvious. We will still be 4th best in the league though with even Rodger's outgunning Arsene for an auto CL spot . Nothing warped about stating this it's just a fact.Wenger himself stated that getting 4th was more important than winning the cup, but that will not stop you from desperately trying to make the cup more important than what in realty it is. Anyway,best to celebrate and jump up and down pulling silly faces after we do win the cup ,if we don't then you will have to reappear using another of your numerous aliases to claim that it was not that important anyway with the champions league qualifier tie being what really counts! That has been the party line now for 9 years anyway. I can recall that the LC final against relegated Brum in which we were long odds on to win it was a lot different to the league games against them that season . Arsene even managed somehow to lose it, and he also made hard work of beating Chumpionship Wigan in the semi at Wembley,these semis being played there have also contributed to devaluing the FAC with much of the mystique of the old Wembley occasion now gone with the wind. My advice to you Charlie is don't be a prat all of you life, try having a day off. Cheers.

  107. ApolloGooner

    May 06, 2014, 11:57 #50834

    Charlie - winning the FA Cup would be great so its a shame Wenger has treated it with such contempt since the last time he won it. If he'd shown the competition more respect we may have had more to smile about in the last few years. Sadly it doesn't prove much if you win it though. Wigan won it last year and got relegated.

  108. Charlie

    May 06, 2014, 11:40 #50833

    The truth of the matter is that if we can lift the FA Cup and Citeh go on and claim the title which looks more likely now, then we have had the second most successful season of all the English teams and the Wenger knockers will have to go away and lick their wounds and think up even more ridiculous notions to fit their warped way of thinking.

  109. Mike

    May 06, 2014, 11:31 #50832

    Funny season really but at the end of it, it is pretty much status quo - the most expensive team will win the league -Liverpool tried to make something but can end up third. Everton, despite everyone singing Marinez's praises have pretty much ended up where they were last year under Moyes Tottenham despite spending millions have regressed year on year. At the end of it - no real surprises then apart from how far Man Utd fell off the pace but even that is no real surprise. It was eventful but if most people put down how the teams would have finished at the end of the year 95% would have three of the four in the correct positions

  110. jeff wright

    May 06, 2014, 11:18 #50831

    So 'if' Arsene wins the FAC by beating Hull Tigers ,who are really just pussycats, he will have won one more trophy than Mourinho has in the last two years,wow ! Great , but what about the last 9 years...? Oh ... Also it looks likely that Mourinho will finish in front of Arsene in the Prem with him having a point advantage over our specialist in 4th place finishes ,the point he got at the Emirates off Arsene in a game we were assured that Arsene would win to end his embarrassing record of never having beaten the little Portugeezer in any competition.. Also Mourinho has a better G/Din the league courtesy of the 6-0 trashing that Arsene got off him at the bridge recently . Anyway,I reckon that Wenger would take having beaten mouthy Mourinho at the bridge in the Prem and 3rd place with auto qualification to his beloved champions league over the FAC final . It's amusing though how the desperate AKB's are suddenly bigging up the FAC... even though we have not even won it yet ! You couldn't make it up.

  111. Ozzie

    May 06, 2014, 11:15 #50830

    Spot on, N4. That magnificent era of Henry running the ball, Bergkamp terrorising defences, Pires tapping them in at the net, Freddy running riot and the defenders an impenetrable wall. We have been spoilt with a stuff that is extinct. As for the goons that have left the club for a bit of toot to ogle at in a glass cabinet...the chickens will come home to roost. I said months ago that an FA Cup would be a start so looking a distinct possibility.

  112. Red Member

    May 06, 2014, 9:55 #50829

    anyone who thinks this has been a fantastic season must have the memory of a goldfish. Didn't the 3-6, 1-5, 0-6 mean anything to you?

  113. WENGER OUT

    May 06, 2014, 9:34 #50827

    Hear, hear Ron! We've had a good season so far... by Wenger's standards. Some people just have lower expectations I guess, some of the older guys have had their share of success and joy and are quite happy to let Wenger play his little games with the club. To us younger chaps, 9 years is a much more significant period of time, we haven't had our share and we're hungry for it. Time the old git shuffled off and made way for someone with a bit of ambition and drive. Maybe I'm being unfair to the older gents, some might also be anxious to get a one last taste of success before they depart.

  114. Seven Kings Gooner

    May 06, 2014, 9:31 #50826

    Good summing as usual Kev - When I stopped attending home matches I thought I was making a stand against the way the club was being run. The fact is AFC don't want my type any more, the RTSS's (Reluctant to spend supporter) they want the new Arsenal "customer" to come early and stay late and spend his dosh inside the Em*rates not outside, as has the custom for decades. The 3% increase just shakes out a few more of us from our seats and replaces us with the "tourist" type who buys everything stamped Arsenal. I understand that if our board did not behave like this it would be called "underselling" Arsenal's true value. However most of us know that the real underselling of our club was not buying a proper striker in January.

  115. Chris

    May 06, 2014, 9:30 #50825

    unchives - I believe if (ok, IF) we win the FA Cup, Wenger will have won one trophy more over the past two seasons than 'specialist in failure' Mourinho. Who'd have thought it?

  116. The value of having unwavering, unconditional, relentless vocal support

    May 06, 2014, 9:29 #50824

    It pains me to say it, but Palace showed how to back their side last night. Unconditional from start to finish. It was this support that inspired the come back from 0-3 down. I thought there was going to be a pitch invasion if they'd gone 4-3 up. Imagine the same scenario at out place. 10 mins left in a game we are losing 0-3, in a match that counts for little as far as we are concerned. The place would be emptying out amid groans. Embarrassing. It's called support. I don't know where half our new breed of home fans sprung from, but they need to recognise they play a role and are not merely passive spectators. Awesome effort from the Palace fans.

  117. Gaz

    May 06, 2014, 9:21 #50823

    'We have had a fantastic season....' Good grief...

  118. unchives

    May 06, 2014, 9:00 #50822

    As good as we think it could have been for Arsenal, you have seen that nothing is guaranteed with the results that have gone for other premiership challengers. Believe it or not, if we win the FA Cup, Chelsea & Liverpool would swap with us assuming Citeh win the Premiership be it at a cost of over £90 million to date. We have had a fantastic season....lets enjoy what's left!

  119. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    May 06, 2014, 9:00 #50821

    [email protected] = we would have been crucified, and rightfully so. However on the LFC-loving Five Live this morning I actually heard that irritating Northeasterner who commentated on the game saying "you should cut Liverpool some slack, because of their naivety". Can you imagine any other club getting away with that.

  120. Ron

    May 06, 2014, 8:30 #50820

    Hi Kev - 'There was once a football Club over there' said Keith Burkinshaw as he exited Tottenham in the mid 90s. The same could now be said of Arsenal.BADARSE - Im sure that in the cold light of day, Liverpools likely doomed quest to win the title will be deemed to have been a far more enjoyable experience for their fans than the tepid and mundane nature of Arsenals demise from the top spot.Youre right though, most Clubs would love Arsenals status and money,but whether such other Clubs as you might be alluding to would want the passionless 'bank mentality' as a substitute for a football Club is another thing entirely. Just finally, you're seemingly rejoicing in another Clubs failure ( a good many Arsenal fans only have that dubious activity to celebrate these days after all) but the dig at the Hillsborough events is a low shot and not very becoming of you. You should retract it before that halo of yours slips off entirely and rolls down that hill of yours.

  121. BADARSE

    May 06, 2014, 7:42 #50819

    Morning julesd, depending on my mood I can find this site very amusing, it answers why I descend into alternatives on occasions. Life is so, so simple. If this lot were in charge as a benign creator can you imagine the mayhem? Which way is up, would be the question on the lips of children constantly. To evaluate the situation of our club is one thing, but to come to a conclusion that the best run club in the world have got it wrong is just laughable. Which club wouldn't want to be us? The only ones would be the rich man's playthings, or those who run their clubs as such. Liverpool anyone? They have failed, so it seems. The media darlings, carried along on a silly, '25th anniversary of Hillsborough' mantra, hadn't won it when everyone wanted to use them as a stick to beat Arsene with. How short-sighted, how disloyal. Neither have Atletico won it-still don't let facts get in the way of a good moan. Hi Dark Hei, nice to have you around chum, plenty of room up here on the hill, amazing how you can get a better view of things. maguiresbridge, just one thing pal, since when does someone running away figure in your book as a quality? 'Doesn't have an ounce of what it takes to walk away'. It's what I just touched on, what are you teaching the kids? Walk away is good, stay and fight bad? All very peculiar. The man is doing a remarkable job-his perception and mine-so why walk? Money? Let me reassure you about money my friend. When you have plenty, more doesn't figure as a motivating factor, it's the challenge, and the buzz you get from it. Why do you think I post regularly? Check out 'The Sure Thing', about Barney Curly. (Did you like that 24601?)

  122. Chris

    May 06, 2014, 7:13 #50818

    Just as well we had our Big Dip weeks ago. Imagine the furore if we blew it by throwing a 3 goal lead in the last ten minutes of the penultimate game....

  123. Dark Hei

    May 06, 2014, 6:55 #50817

    Oh c'mon. Stop rewriting your own words. At the start of the season if we can grab the FA Cup and a 4th spot, all of us will shout "hell yeah!". Now people who are clever with words can write and influence the crowd into singing to the tune of a funeral dirge. And this anti-Wenger, self puff of a fop called Myles Palmer has been slating Wenger harder than ever to generate hits for his silly, non-participative site. If Wenger is an incredibly crappy coach then I wonder why blokes like Ozil, Carzola and Podolski haven't jump ship in January. You know, the way he paints it, like Wenger is an utter idiot. So incredibly idiotic that the keyboard warriors on the net can clearly do a better job. Gimme a break.

  124. julesd

    May 06, 2014, 5:49 #50815

    So! Empty chairs at empty tables didn't quite happen for the protest then, never mind there's always one day more! Some of you are obviously now fretting about the FA Cup, is that the one that doesn't count?

  125. CT Gooner

    May 06, 2014, 2:34 #50814

    In fairness westie's solution is the best we can expect. Two more years of negligent tactical play, overly reliant on a tiny squad, it's the way Wenger seems to like it. Westie suggested strengthening midfield and up top and replacing those who leave. Problem is, I see us loosing three players we don't want to see go, so who thinks we've any chance of signing 5 top quality players?? And please let's not make an argument of Diaby being back to reduce that number, any one with half a brain cell knows that's temporary

  126. KC

    May 05, 2014, 22:38 #50812

    @Westlower - Arteta, Flamini or Kallstrom kinda sums it all up really. If we want to be the best these players are not good enough.

  127. N4

    May 05, 2014, 22:02 #50811

    I think it's safe to say that AW is not the same AW we know when he use to win throphies for fun!!! Our Arsenal of old is properly f***ed...in fact probably gone! My friend who still believes that AW will do magic and he's still waiting! Well I have stopped believing and I'm afraid I can see myself stop supporting a club that is only going for the money with no passion about the fans except a very few on here so upbeat about the positiveness of the direction of the club! To my view Sir...you are blindly in love...as it's a one way traffic love affair...!!!

  128. EastUpper

    May 05, 2014, 21:37 #50810

    I would start Sa-No-Go ahead of Giroud. I'm saving Olivier for his summer holidays yes?!

  129. Westlower

    May 05, 2014, 21:13 #50809

    @Bard, If I selected the team for the Cup Final I'd start with Kallstrom ahead of Arteta & Flamini every time.

  130. KC

    May 05, 2014, 21:09 #50808

    @Gaz -spot on re wenger his refusal to ever accept any form of blame makes you think he is so up himself and lives in an ivory tower. This makes it so easy to start to find him so arrogant and leaves you feeling he has no respect for the fans. He has become part of a business rather than a football manager who should have a want for success not income.

  131. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 05, 2014, 20:58 #50807

    WENGER MUST GO 53862, walk? he doesn't have one ounce of what it takes to do that or he'd have done it long before now. And do you want to bet? he'll be defended to the hilt you can be sure of that, he can do no wrong in some fans eyes, there's always an excuse/excuses, very few and far between lately but they'll be found somewhere and not to hard to guess where, their probably even being readied at the minute just in case, after all it's always somebody/something else's fault.

  132. KC

    May 05, 2014, 20:57 #50806

    Good article - there was a cry of one Arsene wenger but it was almost half hearted and you got the impression so many fans are on the brink. I'm not a fan of mourinho but his comments about a new striker are spot on and apply to us just as they do the chavs.

  133. BADARSE

    May 05, 2014, 20:00 #50805

    Marcus, 'deluded, gullible AKBs', mmm, a bit 'in your face' methinks, and try as I might when I swallow it always goes down-unless I stand on my head.

  134. BADARSE

    May 05, 2014, 19:27 #50804

    Bard for westlower add ditto for me, we stand together, we met one day at the barricades and with Arsene Wenger will always crave, 'one day more'.

  135. Gaz

    May 05, 2014, 19:23 #50803

    Wenger is becoming an increasingly difficult guy to like in all honesty. His recent comments absolving himself of any blame and transfers are really annoying but now he's effectively trying to convince us that we're lucky to have him. And whilst I should be looking forward to a cup final I can't because I know Wenger and the board are going to spin this for everything it's worth. Let's not forget this is a competition that Wenger doesn't even rate yet now we're talking about victory parades when we never bothered with them in 2005! Of course he'll sign his new deal and of course he'll sign another one in two years time. He's become absorbed in his own self importance and probably thinks he is bigger than the Club now. Our own fans have to share the responsibility in the creation of this monster and sadly it's got a long way to run yet...

  136. Charlie

    May 05, 2014, 18:50 #50802

    If we lost to Hull in the final which I would say was a 25% chance as the smaller clubs have a higher win percentage in cup finals than normal league games. I would hate it and be down for weeks yet I fear there are many who would go into complete meltdown. They would be having gigantic knee-jerk reactions throughout the summer and the atmosphere would continue well into next season which would be damaging.

  137. Bard

    May 05, 2014, 18:38 #50801

    RDT-4 think of Arsenal as a business and not football club and then all the difficult bits that frustrate us fall into place. While the club rake in the money there is no need to change anything. The club haven't made a serious stab at winning anything for years. Yes there are financial constraints but as Liverpool and Atletico have shown it can be done. Its foolish to think that anything will change next year. Westie is the perpetual optimist which is great fun but his pronouncements on the footballing from this season have been laughable so don't expect much an insightful analysis. This was the man touting Bendtner as a decent back up for Giroud and celebrating Kallstrom and Sanogo as decent squad players. I am also of the opinion that its a massive mistake for Wenger to have agreed to a new deal. He should have walked away with his head held high.

  138. RDT - 4

    May 05, 2014, 18:20 #50800

    I wish it were that simple Westlower, I really do.

  139. BADARSE

    May 05, 2014, 18:14 #50799

    WENGER OUT, I saw a youtube clip of a Dutch TV company prog. van Persie was offered parity with Rooney, (£220k per week), he laughed at the camera because AFC couldn't quite match half that. Real or imagined the prime motivator was cash. It is too difficult to quantify a personal decision ergo 55% cash versus 45% trophy, or perm any other percentages you like. They are just assumptions. There is little wrong in a person's decision to go elsewhere, for fans it's a disloyalty. We see through myopic vision, sad but true. Charlie without getting into a bun fight, it is certain that a mind set prevails and will continue to do so. If the view isn't shared it does seem odd though. By the way Bard, a cup final defeat is a possibility. I am a logical type who never counts his chickens-in anything! I have been warning against a Liverpool slip for ages, some on here had already taken the trophy to Anfield for them. The only certain thing in life is that you will die, the uncertain thing is when. Some have decided that the cup is ours, they probably view life through this prism, I don't. This therefore minimises my disappointments which is a good thing because life is full of them. Sounding like an old greybeard a defeat will rock me, I shall crawl away somewhere and stay down, licking my wounds then resurface and carry on. There is no choice. As we commented earlier, let's get that early goal and sing all the way to lifting the cup buddy.

  140. Westlower

    May 05, 2014, 18:08 #50798

    @RTD - 4 , No solution needed. You can fantasize all day long what you want to happen but reality dictates that the major shareholder calls the shots. If AW is his choice of manager then that is that - demo's or not. The man who pays the piper calls the tune. AFC are one of the best run clubs in World football & is not in need of a 'solution.' Strengthening of the team is all that is required. The next manager will take over when AW steps down in 2 years time. Get used to it because unless AW or Stan decide otherwise that's how it is!

  141. underacheiver

    May 05, 2014, 17:58 #50797

    Good point maguiresbridge gooner re the pleasure of keeping everyone in suspense. He suffers from Attention Seeking Syndrome. Make up your own acronym.

  142. Green Hut

    May 05, 2014, 17:50 #50796

    Nice to hear the attempted 'One Arsene Wenger' in the Red Section a couple of minutes from time peter out to nothing. And loved the home-made 4th Place Trophy held up behind the goal a couple of times, great p**s-take, although seeing as it had the letters EPL on it there is the possibility that it was a genuine token of appreciation toward The Great Man by a visiting Malaysian Gooner (or perhaps Charlie).

  143. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 05, 2014, 17:07 #50794

    Of course the deal was signed or certainly agreed, some time ago, as has been said before the only surprise is it's just two years, but don't be surprised to find it includes an option of another two, as to why it hasn't been announced well that could be one of the factors, winning the cup would certainly be a good time, losing it and with the season over, it would also be a good time to slip bad news out under the radar with everybody heading off on their hols especially with the most forgiving fans on Earth. But also don't forget how it turns OGL on and gives him some of pleasure to keep everybody in suspense and waiting until the last minute.

  144. Charlie

    May 05, 2014, 17:06 #50793

    Those who are against Wenger would be against him however much he achieved, I believe the same people would find fault in whoever was Arsenal manager and whoever the board were. As for Marcus, Wenger Out, Green Hut, comedy characters at best.

  145. Joe Fitzpatrick

    May 05, 2014, 16:59 #50792

    Fabregas said in an interview while he was still Arsenal captain (talking about how the Spainish national team prepare): "Here they give us much more information than they do at Arsenal, definitely." "At Arsenal we don't really look at anything from the other team, we look for ourselves and that's it. "Here, maybe two three days before the game, we start looking at some videos, we know more or less the starting eleven that is going to play... we know nearly everything about them." "You just have to have your group of friends here, you play cards, you play Playstation, you have fun. We train morning, afternoon, go to sleep early ... you don't have much time to think about it really." That says it all for me. If you are so arrogant that you can't see the benefits of working out how to nullify your opponents strengths and how to exploit their weaknesses then for me you are not a tactician at all.

  146. RDT - 4

    May 05, 2014, 16:56 #50791

    Westlower - I couldn't care less about Maureen and I agree we need some new players. But my post was related to the infrastructure of the club in the short to medium term when Wenger does fianlly step down. So if my ideas will lead us to near relegation, I ask again, what's your solution?

  147. WENGER OUT

    May 05, 2014, 16:54 #50790

    Exiled, I believe it's 'shake my head' but I'm no expert. As for 'loooool', I'm still working on that - Not having a dig a Marcus, I generally agree with him on most things, even if they way he puts it rubs some sensitive hedgehog botherers up the wrong way. Does anyone think there's a connection between Flamini saying on football focus that he left Arsenal because he wanted to win and promptly getting dropped for most of the games since? None of the following players left Arsenal for money - Adebayor (he actually wanted to stay for all the abuse we give him), Clichy, RVP, Fabregas, Nasri, Hleb and Toure. They all either left because they wanted to achieve something in their careers or were sold as Wenger had no issue receiving vastly more than players were worth from Citeh with their petrodolars - The odious hypocrite!

  148. WENGER MUST GO ASAP(MARCUS). HES A BUST

    May 05, 2014, 16:53 #50789

    100% in agreement with Green hut. Ramsey has had a great season, but he played against Man city when we lost 6-3 and he played against everton when he got taken to the cleaners by Brakley. Hes a good player and has proven alot of doubters wrong, but hes got along way to go until hes world class. I actually think Ross Barkley is a batter player than Ramsey. The kid is 6ft2 and runs like a beast. We need more depth in our squad and for how long have we been saying that for?? We could not win anything with RVP, CESC, NASRI, HELB, ETC AS WE LACKED DEPTH, and that problem is still around again. We always have a good first 11 but the second 11 is not good enough. STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR THE MESSIAH WENGER

  149. Joe Fitzpatrick

    May 05, 2014, 16:44 #50788

    Jim- I seem to remember Cesc Fabregas saying pretty much the same things regarding Wenger not preparing his teams for opponents on an individual basis or how to nullify their strengths and exploit their weaknesses.

  150. Westlower

    May 05, 2014, 16:44 #50787

    @RTD - 4, Refer you to post 53854. New defensive midfielder, new striker & replace those who choose to leave. The common perception is that Maureen is a coaching genius, but his team stumble against the lesser lights, how can that be? In comparison, Wenger is labelled as clueless but with one game left we are only 3 points adrift of Chelsea. It's a very fine line between perceived genius & fool! It's not the done thing to credit AW with anything AFC do well, unbeaten at home since the opening day is no mean feat. Leading the PL table for the majority of the season & reaching the FA Cup final should not be taken for granted. If it was a new AFC manager who achieved as much, we'd be viewing this season through different eyes.

  151. BADARSE

    May 05, 2014, 16:39 #50786

    We never know quite what's around the next corner and our outlooks which beget our solutions are just the smoke and mirrors of pipedreams, often used as a stick to beat Arsene with. I expect Arsenal to build in some fashion-it would be literary suicide to try to pre-empt the club's intentions. We still have a remarkable group of players at AFC and some integral additions could add to the mix in a positive sense. If/when Arsene signs it will quieten the troubled souls for 24 months. Perhaps somewhere along the road to it's final conclusion Arsene's tenure will have seen a step-up by Bouldy, or a new flavour added in some way. Doesn't that in itself make life wonderful- the uncertainty? I sincerely hope for a good injury-free season for Diaby next term, for the teams improvement and for the young man's sense of attainment. It's because I am that sort of man. Contrary to popular negative forebodings that we shall sell our best again-this will only occur if they are tapped up and have their heads turned by cash. The joy is in anticipating what will be. Remember, 'There's nothing you can do, that can't be done!'

  152. Green Hut

    May 05, 2014, 16:31 #50785

    In the fixtures just before Ramsey's injury lay-off, he played the full 90 mins against both City and Chelsea, 67 mins against Everton, and came on as sub at Napoli before we conceded the 2 goals that effectively put us out of the Champions League. Fine season though he's had, this suggests that his appearance against the top teams in Feb/March really wouldn't have made much difference.

  153. exiled&dangerous

    May 05, 2014, 16:26 #50784

    Someone please put me out of my misery - what does smh mean?

  154. Spirit, quality, commitment, tippy takka, with a Handbrake garnish!

    May 05, 2014, 16:21 #50783

    Wenger has allowed all those players to leave because if money. Breaking up teams that were knocking at successes door. Unforgivable! Sagna is the next one to follow. A cycle of despair under this charlatan masquerading as a football club manager, who's real tour de force is economics and beguiling people.,

  155. Charlie

    May 05, 2014, 16:13 #50782

    If we win the FA cup this year then it's been a good season.

  156. RDT - 4

    May 05, 2014, 16:00 #50781

    So what's your solution then, Westlower?

  157. Westlower

    May 05, 2014, 15:54 #50780

    Should we take the brave/foolish route of turning the club upside down with a new board/manager/backroom staff/medical team, probably resulting in a few years languishing in mid table, would we still be expected to beat the bottom half teams? If not, does that mean we would be drawn into an annual relegation struggle?

  158. Wenger's departure iS A nO gO ( MORE BS GUARANTEED)

    May 05, 2014, 15:44 #50779

    Smoke and mirrors transfer rumours rife. Most of us know it'll all be a big no! Agree with all the posters expressing anti Wenger sentiment. The difference between Champions and also rans could've been bridged by bold and intelligent transfer activity in January. Wenger though had his financial closing figures to think of...again!

  159. Jim

    May 05, 2014, 15:30 #50778

    RVP, Nasri and Clichy left for silverware??? That's why Sagna is leaving??? Are you feeling alright? I'm sure it has nothing to do with doubling their wages. And... Rami Shabaan??? He who played for Arsenal in 2002-2004 during the invincible era is complaining about Wenger's tactics??? That's the best example of a former player slagging off Wenger you can find?

  160. WENGER MUST GO ASAP(MARCUS). HES A BUST

    May 05, 2014, 15:19 #50777

    100% in agreement with Peter Wain. Its the usual groundhog day with wenger smh. The man is a BUST. My dream would be for him to go and take Kronke and Gazadis with him. What a day that will be. Westlover again talking NONSENSE as per usual. When will you realize that Giroud is not good enough. He is b rate striker that is at best a seocnd string striker he will not start for any team that finished ahead of us. This seems all so familiar smh. The usual fourth place scramble and the usual wenger apologists excuses smh. We need to strikers, a wc holding midfielder, and a rb if Sanga goes which will be a big loss as Jenkinson is well average at best, We also need a cb. But again i doubt the messiah wenger will buy any of these players as he is just plain stubborn and deluded and puts way to much trust in players who have let him down time and time again. We have no pronblem beating the TEAMS WE SHOULD BEAT i.e the west broms, Hull, and west hams of the world. Its the big teams we struggle against and wengers tactical ineptness is exposed time and time again

  161. Peter Wain

    May 05, 2014, 15:03 #50776

    routine win but overall an average performance. We need to invest in a new right back wth Sagna leaving a new goalkeeper is also a must. After that I cannot see Wenger buying much. We clearly need a striker but I cannot see that happening and a top top quality midfield player and centre halve would not go amiss. I suspect that Wenger will wait until after the world cup and see what he can pick up on the free transfer market. We will probably have about £160 million in the bank but with this management their is no chance of it being used to improve the squad. So a big fght for fourth place is all we can look forward to. Change the owner the snake oil salesman and Wenger.

  162. WENGER MUST GO ASAP(MARCUS). HES A BUST

    May 05, 2014, 15:01 #50775

    Look wenger is a BUSTED FLUSH, and the sooner these deluded akbs get that into their indoctrinated minds, the quicker we can move on. The man has wayyyyyyyyyyyy to much power its not healthy for a big club like arsenal. For a man to baiscaly act like hes owns the club and act like he somehow staying at arsenal is a big benefit. He loves to blame other people for hes awful results over the last 9 years. But the facts dont lie. Hes first 500 games where good and the other 500 plus have been a joke. You dont lose 6-3, 5-1 and 6-0 and 3-0 in one season and call that ACCIDENTS LOOOOOOOOL. The man is taking alot of deluded akbs for fools. The sooner he goes the better. I think we will beat Hull easily. If we do not than the man has to walk surely. Surely the akbs can not defend losing to Hull in the FA cup final. I would love to see the excuses they make after that result if it did happen. I actually called the box office to make a rant about the ticket hokes, they told me the increases where in line with inflation lool. I than asked ho come no other club has increased their ticket prices in london. They had no answers . Its a joke and the deluded gullible akbs swallow it up hook line and sinker every time.

  163. RDT - 4

    May 05, 2014, 14:58 #50774

    What's your solution then, Westlower?

  164. Dan h

    May 05, 2014, 14:48 #50773

    Another season draws to the end with what if's etc.The one table we always seem to be near the top of is the injury one!The muscle injuries we seem to suffer not just in terms of numbers but the length of absence certainly needs looking at.The overplaying of certain players didn't help games we were strolling in the likes of Ramsey,Ozil should of been withdrawn.I agree we need to make sure we score first in the final,defeat doesn't bare thinking about.Next week at Norwich just play the fringe players that are vying for a place on the bench at Wembley.

  165. Westlower

    May 05, 2014, 14:46 #50772

    @RTD - 4, With your radical ideas for AFC, you wouldn't happen to be Daniel Levy by any chance? You've surely come up with a masterplan that would enable our neighbours to be top dogs in North London for decades to come.

  166. ZB20H

    May 05, 2014, 14:43 #50771

    Honestly, why don't you put yourself out of your own misery and not sign the renewal forms?

  167. jeff wright

    May 05, 2014, 14:18 #50770

    The problem with the 'if only ' argument is that every other side can also use it . Same with the injury one. No one surely expected Ramsey ,Walcott and Wilshere to stay fit ,blimey someone will be telling us to have faith in Diaby coming good next ! Oh,I forget they already have... you couldn't make it up. At least Wenger ,whose nose grows loger every season, for once spoke without forked tongue when admitting that finishing in the top 4 was more important to him than winning the FAC regarding his signing a new contract. He also pointed out last week that contrary to legend that you have to win the qualifier to be inthe CL. Cheers

  168. RDT - 4

    May 05, 2014, 13:48 #50769

    It's a shame more people were not on the protest, but I think it would be better to target the decision-makers rather than the decision. And sadly the only thing the club and the media are likely to pay an attention to are large-scale co-ordinated demonstrations against the manager involving huge numbers of fans. My theory is that once the manager goes, it will force widspread restructuring throughout the club. Just swapping Wenger with a new guy will not be enough. Changes need to take place across player recruitment, contracts, coaching, fitness and medical setup, scouting, the youth team and of course, ticketing policy. Faced with the sheer workload of the above, I think most of the board, (many of whom are pushing 80) will decide to call it a day and disappaer into the sunset. My solution? I'd make Steve Bould manager and bring in Thierry Henry and Pires as coaches. I'd also approach Marc Overmars about becoming a director of football (he does this currently at Ajax). Maybe bring in the likes of Ian Wright, Lee Dixon and Martin Keown to sit on the board either full or part-time. (I can't see them agreeing to constant ticket price hikes.) People may say I'm being naively romantic but has anyone got a better idea? No matter what happens things will have to change at some point. The Wenger/Dein successful era is over and it's not coming back. People talk about Klopp et al but if they've turned down Man Utd are they really likely to join Arsenal? Things may be chaotic for a while and we may finish in mid-table for a few years but for goodness sake, CHANGE IS NEEDED!

  169. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 05, 2014, 13:25 #50768

    Yes another stroll in the park with no pressure and nothing to play for against the mighty Brom with the fourth place trophy already secured again ( for all the good it's going to do) was there any celebrations? whooping? high fives? selfies? and the favorite, bouncing? before the lap of appreciation, sky didn't hang about and turned their attention straight to the chavs,(can you blame them)so the fans watching at home hadn't a chance to see, maybe their saving all that for the last game of the season but lets hope it's been saved for when there is actually something to celebrate and something worth bouncing about like the FA Cup final and a trophy we can actually see and hold up and they can take all the selfies they like as it's been a long long time since they and ourselves have been in that situation and had the chance for mementos and if the last eight years are anything to go by who knows how long it will be until the next time.

  170. Westlower

    May 05, 2014, 12:49 #50767

    Where to improve next season? Defensively we need to replicate our home defending in away games. We have the joint best defensive home record in the PL with Chelsea, conceding only 11 goals (2 of which were penalties on the opening day). This is AFC's 3rd best performance at home in the PL, only bettered in 97/98 (10) & 98/99 (5). IMO the key is replacing Arteta with someone more physical & dynamic. Flamini is not that man. Lars Bender is the most touted signing for this role. Critics of Diaby should cut him some slack, as he's suffered some major injuries in his career. This talented midfielder deserves a change of luck. We lost 4 games this season when down to 10 men (2 in PL & 2 in CL), Kosielny v Villa; Gibbs v Chelsea; Arteta v Napoli; Szczesny v Bayern Munich. It looks odds on Bendtner will be replaced by Loic Remy. Wilshire, Ox, Gibbs, Ramsey, Sanogo, Gnabry @ Ozil will continue to improve with age & experience. Another 20+ goals from Giroud plus double figure contributions from Walcott, Ramsey, Ox, Ozil, Podolski & Remy? will put us in contention for silverware.

  171. Gooner for Life

    May 05, 2014, 12:14 #50766

    Another season passes by. But this one really raised the hopes and then everything went downhill. But still at least we will get the Trophy monkey off our back. But a case of near yet so far is a common occurrence these days at AFC. Last two seasons any hopes of the title were well and truly lost very earlier than this season. This season, its more a case of What-if's as draws with ****ty, CHel-shi(t) and Manure were really annoying as we could've rolled them over with a bit more of adventure rather than industry. Plus, the draws against Everton, Southampton and Swansea were plain unlucky. Every top four team can point to such games and join the What-if's band wagon, but none have blown it more than us. This timidness or holding-back that our attackers play with, as if they know, one mistake and our defenders will concede, is something psychological and we need to address it. May be a towering and assuring presence in the middle, who sweeps up everything in front of back-four, someone Viera-esque would remove that timidness and our attackers would be able to express themselves bit freely and that could be the difference.

  172. Bard

    May 05, 2014, 12:02 #50765

    I'm with you on that one Bardarse. An early goal is an absolute must to release the tension. The consequences of a loss to Hull don't bear thinking about.

  173. BADARSE

    May 05, 2014, 11:56 #50764

    Yeah Bard, with Frank McLintock leading them out. Let's hope it all ends well, an early goal would be a tonic. Am determined to enjoy the day-who knows when or if there will be another. Life is kind of like that.

  174. Bard

    May 05, 2014, 11:33 #50763

    Really good post Kev. The game was fairly meaningless but your overall analysis was right on the money. The club are treading water. Happy to count the money but without any serious ambition to move the club forward on the playing side. This season more than ever we have seen that the club is more a business than a proper football club. Wenger is now talking in riddles, saying his delay in signing his contract has nothing to do with results. Which raises the obvious question well why delay then. Apparently we only need a couple of players ..er where have I heard that before. Looking forward to the cup final, a reminder of the old days.

  175. WENGER OUT

    May 05, 2014, 11:26 #50762

    A good report Kevin, pretty much captures the general apathy surrounding the club right now. Maybe Wenger really is waiting until after the FA cup final before signing a new deal - Certainly a lot of the middle ground fans will sway against him if we lose. Personally I think we will bottle it against Hull, so we might yet see. One thing has now been made abundantly clear (as if it wasn't before), a vote for Wenger is a vote for another 2 years minimum of 4th place mediocrity and last 16 CL exits. Not to mention the spin and BS we get every transfer window "we will make signings, but only if they are top top quality" - "There were no top top quality players available" - "We cannot compete with the likes of City and Chelsea" - "Our squad is strong enough to compete" - Enjoy it Wengerites, you get what you deserve!

  176. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    May 05, 2014, 11:03 #50761

    A win is a win is a win. Yesterday was more important if only just to keep the momentum going. Wonder who'll line up against Norwich next week - may not matter anyway if Sunderland get something vs WBA.

  177. BADARSE

    May 05, 2014, 10:59 #50760

    Thank you Kevin. All a bit of a yawn I guess, though being forced to listen on radio as I watched my grandson's match still had me on edge. Fourth place had been already assured so I wasn't celebrating that as the final whistle went, just another Arsenal victory. Do any others out there still do that? Mine was a hushed, 'Yes!' through gritted teeth, with a customary clenched fist movement. Then a softly-sung rendition of '1-0 To The Arsenal!', for the benefit of other mums and dads on the touchline-oh, and for my wife. You see the romantic in me still lingers, well it won a smile from my lady. Good old Arsenal.