If you didn't enjoy Jenkinson's goal...

...then you're most likely dead inside.



If you didn't enjoy Jenkinson's goal...


Whatever happens in the final next Saturday, I think I will struggle to find a more heart-warming moment than seeing Carl Jenkinson score yesterday and the sheer elation on his face when he celebrated. A meaningless, end-of-season game that follows Arsenal's routine annual capitulation, which we could have afforded to lose by 16 goals, was brightened up by a great goal and a scrappy one. Whilst it has been one of many great goals for Ramsey this season, I suppose I've almost start to expect brilliance for Arsenal's greatest (and only, so far as I know) Welshman since John Hartson.

When I first heard that we'd signed Jenkinson back in 2011, I was p*ssed off. Not because I objected to him personally; it was more because of Wenger’s and the board's utter incompetence when it comes to signing players people have heard of (and similar incompetence was on display last summer) until they had to resort to panic-buying at the last minute. Up until deadline day, it seemed that an unproven teenage right-back was our marquee signing for that summer (bar Gervinho and even that signing took ages because of our faffing about) and that didn't bode well for the season, especially after the Old Trafford mauling. Actually, I'm trying not to think of that summer (or last summer for that matter) as the upper management's sheer laziness/ineptitude when it comes to signing players people have heard of still makes my blood boil, albeit not as much as whenever I remember Mikael Silvestre in an Arsenal shirt.

And whilst it was great that Jenkinson was a life-long Gooner, the other fans who ended up playing for us in my lifetime include Ashley Cole (great player but we all know what happened later) and the mighty Eddie McGoldrick (a local boy who was just a bit rubbish) so I wasn't sure how it would pan out, and I wasn't overly optimistic either. This was somewhat emphasised by what happened at Old Trafford when Jenkinson got sent off and I thought afterwards that he'd most likely be dropped to the reserves and quietly shipped out the following summer or at least sent to somewhere like Doncaster on a season-long loan. He seemed completely out of his depth although I didn't think he should have played at OT in the first place. Cashley made his debut in a relatively low-key League Cup tie away to Middlesborough and spent his early time relatively hidden from the limelight compared to Jenkinson. Obviously none of this was Jenkinson's fault, but after that game, rather than letting it shatter his confidence, he worked very hard and his performances and all-round game showed gradual signs of improvement (almost in the spirit of the 'Montage' song from Team America).

By the end of the season, the Old Trafford performance was forgotten and I could see to an extent what Wenger saw in him. And ever since, his determination, enthusiasm and performances have rightly made him a cult favourite. It's obvious whenever he plays how much it means to him to play for Arsenal and fans know he'd do anything for the team. In an era when money dominates and players become even more mercenary, it was nice to see someone like Jenkinson having his moment in the sun yesterday.

A scuffed shot from a deflected cross in a game of little consequence wouldn't have meant as much if it came from anyone else but our Carl because, if any of us miraculously got a chance to play for Arsenal and score, then that's probably the kind of goal we'd score. Players of a more mercenary nature may move clubs, get bigger pay-packets, score better goals and win a few trophies, but none of that will mean as much to them as Jenkinson's goal yesterday meant to him as a fan. Seeing him score that goal took me back to my younger days and dreaming of scoring for Arsenal (as I'm 29, that ship's probably sailed, although I've probably got more of a chance of playing professionally than David Bentley) and how awesome that would be. It was great to see a life-long fan fulfil a dream that we all had as children but never got to live out, especially in an age of money and foreign imports making it harder for people such as Jenks to live the dream.

In the three years he has been here, he has earned that moment. For all the fans that slated him, for all those in the media who liked to belittle him, yesterday was his way of saying 'Screw you haters, I've just lived out a dream which you'll never do'. And football needs these moments more and more. Forget the likes of Stevie G trying to whitewash his childhood as an Everton fan by claiming he's a lifelong Liverpool fan in the same way United fans of my generation claim to have supported United before they started winning anything (I never believe any of them unless they can prove it, which some have but definitely not all); Jenks is the real deal. When he scored, it was possibly the nicest way to end a season without winning anything. If you call yourself an Arsenal fan but couldn't appreciate that scruffy goal, then I feel sorry for you. You probably have about as much joy in your heart as Gillian McKeith (that poo-prodding food-fascist who isn't a real doctor) and Katie Hopkins combined, and you should just give up and train to work as a customs officer, such is the miserable emptiness of your existence.

And before anyone starts, I am more than aware of his limitations and that some fans don't hold him in such high regard. I know he's not as good as Sagna and is most likely not ready to replace him just yet, and I know that he made that error against Chelsea earlier in the season, but condemning every 21-year-old who makes a mistake does not help anyone. I know his limitations and if anything they make him more endearing in the same way that Ray Parlour was a fan favourite in spite of not being as good as some of his team-mates. For all the great players we've had over the years, we still need players like Parlour and Jenkinson - reliable squad players who'd run through brick walls for the team. This is why people like Gilles Grimandi and Phil Neville still have more Premier League medals than Steven Gerrard. And this is why Jenks could be a cult hero for a few more years to come.


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  1. ppp

    May 16, 2014, 10:41 #51491

    I really appreciate the pro-Jenkinson sentiment in the article. But is it necessary or even fair for this kind of piece to constantly temper the praise with stuff like "I'm aware of his limitations" and "He's not as good as his more famous teammates" Jenkinson is a bloody good right back. He's got pace, power and high level crossing ability. You say he's not as good as Sagna and I agree. I would start Sagna in the Cup Final without a second thought, of course I would. But Sagna is better because he's got nearly a decade's experience on Jenkinson not just at club level but years and years of International appearances as well. The main question is this - Is Carl as good now as Sagna was when he was 21. Or even - does he have the same amount of potential? And the answer is absolutely yes he does. I want the club to replace Sagna (who seems certain to leave) because I think Jenkinson needs another quality right back to compete with over the next few seasons. If he tries to compete and fails then fair enough he isn't good enough. But if he does the job and keeps his place over a more experienced guy then by the time he's in his mid twenties we will have a world class right back on our hands with all of the advantages the article outlines - born gooner, hundred and ten per center etc.. And lastly I can't let the mention of Ray Parlour at the end of the piece slide either. Stop with the constant - he was a trier who was lucky to be surrounded by better players. It's just plain not true. He was a top quality footballer who's attributes may not have been as showy as some of the other players but they were equally as important to the team. Faint praise isn't good enough for these top top players. They are not just 'you and me got lucky' they are highly skilled footballers every bit as good as the pinpoint passers and stepover wingers around them.

  2. Joe S.

    May 16, 2014, 5:43 #51485

    I came to this one late, but I couldn't agree more.From day one he looked gangly and awkward but there was something endearing about his enthusiasm. A classic old school rough diamond. Jenkinson with his passion and work rate is someone who deserves his cult hero status. Hope one of his dreams comes true tomorrow.

  3. Westlower

    May 15, 2014, 17:13 #51461

    @FP Gooner. Top seeds in ECL: 1. Barcelona 157; 2. Bayern Munich 146; 3. Chelsea 137; 4. Real Madrid; 5. Man U 130; 6. Arsenal 113.

  4. Westlower

    May 15, 2014, 15:58 #51453

    @FP Gooner, You asked for an explanation of my choice of Remi Garde to replace AW. If you google his name you'll find a few stories about Remi leaving Lyon at the end of May, reportedly needing a break before returning to management next season. He has an impressive CV being a French International and joined AFC on the same day as PV. He was touted as becoming director of football at AFC on David Dein'S departure. In the event it never happened but suffice to say Remi is held in high regard at the Emirates. He went instead to Lyon as assistant manager during their successful reign of 7 league titles before becoming their director of football. He is accredited with developing Benzema & Remy, both are reportedly targets of AFC. In 2011, Remi became manager of Lyon & led them to the Coupe de France title, followed by a season in the Champions League. There are also reports that he is on Daniel Levy's short list to be the next manager at the Lane. Paddy Power have him in their betting list to become the next AFC manager @ 20/1. I hope you concur it's maybe not such a ludicrous suggestion after all.

  5. jjetplane

    May 15, 2014, 15:42 #51452

    It's finally happening - the posts we were promised. Nice work men and if ever a home message was drummed out - this is it. Current occupiers are not up to the task. The task is to compete with honesty. Welcome to WOBworld! The real home of Arsenal FC.

  6. Tony Evans

    May 15, 2014, 14:52 #51451

    FPGooner - top marks for your last post - up there with Ron's. There is none so blind as he who will not see - which could be applied to several on here.

  7. FPGooner

    May 15, 2014, 14:30 #51450

    Westlower, you put a ludicrous hypothetical scenario of selecting someone as manager who I would not pick for a championship side and then moving someone way past his best, Wenger, into an influential position. Cannot see the logic. Please explain. Simple and cowardly to blame one man? In my job, I have to do Performance Reviews on people. What do I do with an employee who is not performing? Not let him know? not take any action? blame society in general? There are umpteen examples of Wenger's incompetence in getting the team tactically fit to play our biggest rivals. Opposition coaches have no problems in coping with Wenger's tactics. Wenger's player purchase are non-sensical. We have gone this whole season with Giroud as our one striker. (please don't mention the postman as that will undermine your case further). He selects players way past their best, Almunia, aliadiere, Arteta (Just on the A's) spring to mind. He has not built a strong and stable defence since the retirements of the defenders he inherited. 'Never before in our illustrious history have we been a top 4 club over such a protracted length of time'? Never before in our illustrious history have we over such a protracted length of time AIMED just for fourth. Top seed in ECL? please explain. 'Never, in my long life have AFC been this strong as a football club.' Were you on holiday when we got hammered 6-3 by Citeh, 6-0 by Chelski, 5-1 by the red Scousers and 3-0 by the blue ones? Is that your version of how strong we are as a club? or do you mean the balance sheets? which doesn't benefit the fans, when there is minimal player investment? Would you like a list of the appalling players we have bought over the last few years and kept on, without playing them because they were dire but still carried on paying their wages? The competition is not the fiercest. Last year the PL was won by a pretty average team but with a coach who pushed that team over the line. There has been no outstanding team this year. This year was the first for a long team where teams were queuing up to beat Manure. Did we manage it? We need to be demanding more from our club for the money we put in, not less. Certainly not feeding them feeble excuses.

  8. Tony Evans

    May 15, 2014, 13:43 #51445

    Ron - great post from you there. It's the dishonesty and extortionate prices that get me. We were sold a Roller and have been taken for an expensive ride in something decidedly un-roller like!

  9. jjetplane

    May 15, 2014, 13:37 #51444

    Excellent as always FP & RON. Why people think being an honorary member of the WOB is a profession to go backwards to some golden age beats me. Quite the opposite - we want to break away from the stale conservatism that is stinking up the Holloway road and plunge blisteringly into the filthy abyss of neo modern football and get right dirty with the rest. We want to believe that football is possible now and not some walmart doughnut emporium of smiling contented virtual sportspersons (sic) **** all that - we wanna rock with our dub - yer get me ha!ha!

  10. Westlower

    May 15, 2014, 12:03 #51437

    @FP Gooner, Nobody is hanging on to Wenger's apron strings. 'Blind obedience' is insulting to life long Arsenal supporters. Suppose Remi Garde was appointed the new manager next week, with AW moving to a new Director of Football role, how would you react? It's too simple & cowardly in my book to keep blaming one man for AFC's perceived woes. Discontented supporters don't have a monopoly on ambition, we all want AFC to win, although some on this site are disappointed on such occasions. Some credit should be given to the way AFC is run. After a few years struggling after leaving Highbury we are now financially strong. When were we ever in a position when we could pay £42m for a player? Never before in our illustrious history have we been a top 4 club over such a protracted length of time. We remain a top seed in ECL & have stopped being a yoyo club. Yes, we've had some fabulous times in our history but we've had our share of mediocrity. It wasn't always wonderful in the 'good old days'. Never, in my long life have AFC been this strong as a football club. Yes, we can still improve the team but our closest rivals can say exactly the same thing. Only one team can be champions and the competition is the fiercest I can remember with the elite having no financial constraints.

  11. FPGooner

    May 15, 2014, 10:40 #51431

    Ron - Post No. 54522, Excellent post, the best I have seen on this site. Whenever any one is about to write the phrase 'true Arsenal fan', ask yourself, what do you mean? same goes for 'get behind the team'. We are a club second to none, in my eyes. But in reality, we have been much worse than that. The owner and the manager of our once great club have reduced our ambitions so badly that some of our fans see one FA cup final participation as glory enough for 9 years of abstinence from success. A club with a rich past with players who live long in the memory such as Brady, McLintock, Henry, Rocastle, should not be slugging it out with mid-table contenders for that 'coveted' 4th spot. We have the healthiest balance sheets. Who is this benefitting? Not the fans, but everone in the Emirates hierarchy. We have a manager, long past his best, who is proven to be tactically inferior to many in the EPL and abroad. His player purchase is farcical. His respect for the fanbase is non-existent. So, why are you so keen on hanging on to his apron strings? True support for a cause or a philosphy is not following it in blind obedience, but to question it and seeking to improve.

  12. Costas

    May 15, 2014, 0:10 #51423

    Lovely article. Great moment for Jenks and all true Arsenal fans. Title is ours next season - mark my words.

  13. Ron

    May 14, 2014, 19:07 #51414

    Westie - i hear your view mate. We can all debate whats success and what isn't for ever really can't we. Truth is nobody really knows anymore in footie. There isn't a definition of it. For Cardiff, success would have been staying up. For Utd, thats abysmal failure. Extremes you see. Its gets cloudier though. For Villa ending up 6th bottom is outright failure. For Stoke ending up 10th is unqualified success, yet only 5 places between them. Why then is one so bad and the other so good? Well, its because Villa have tradition and massive support, great stadium and history. Stoke have nothing. Liverpool? They would say they've failed. Why? Runners up, Big Club, some money, history,European Cups, they really had it in the bag and lost it themselves. Had that have been The Toon, it wd have been great success to have done a Liverpool. The point i'm trying to make is that success or failure is club specific. In Arsenals case, as the 5th richest Club, massive fan base, stadium, riches that dwarf most Clubs, history and pedigree whats happened there for 9 years (yes i know its Cup day on Saturday) is failure. The Club can and should do far, far better. Without blaming AW alone he and the Club have had a formula there for at least 5 years where they shd have won or been very close to a title. They've not competed and by this i mean they've not threatened to break the Chelsea Utd City triopololy. Theyve chosen not too and in all probability seem to want to carry on doing it. Basic lack of honesty has seen them become sneered at by their own fans and sniggered at by the press and media and other professionals to, all of whom know Arsenal are winging it, fluffing it but most importantly bulling it and spinning it. Your ideals are fine ie playing kids and growing players. Nothing at all wrong with it. We all hanker for a few london locals in the team, even decent brit youngsters. Had the Club several years back have had the courage to say clearly that growing youngsters and spending little was a long term policy and that titles were not likely for some considerable time, most of the fans would have ran with it, the long term fans especially would. Others would have given it a miss. Their choice.The Club have done OK, but theyve done it at premium costs to punters and put little back into the product on the pitch while spinning yarn after yarn to those who ll buy into it that the Club have an ambition to match their resources. Its clear they don't and wont. Thats not just failure, that's dishonest failure. The institution of Arsenal cant have Stokes privilege of doing nothing and calling it success in the modern game. Theyve set themselves up to be big hitters, they imagine themselves to be and tell everyone their big and competitive and classy and so the lame excuses trotted out for years aren't available to them yet it suits their agenda to persist with using them anyway. Its a Club who take the rise out of its own supporters and in my view do it far more blatantly than does any other Club. Such an attitude reeks like a rotten carcass for me. Winning no Cups never bothers me if the Club sets out its stall, tells us whats its stall is and gives it a good honest go. Arsenal don't, they fall between those stools and aim to fall there. Nothing worse. Its a Club with little integrity and they've lost many fans since they've moved to that stadium, hence they phone up people like me in mid February asking if i'm of a mind to invest in a Season ticket again. The Club isn't a very likeable Club anymore and they don't get my money very often now as a result. That doesn't matter but the youngsters setting out as Gunners deserve far better. Being brutally honest, some good could come out of it if Hull beat them at the week end. It might make Arsenal re evaluate themselves and be true to their fan base but i wont be holding my breath.Making excuses for them as you and others do just perpetuates the myth and the yarn they're selling you mate.

  14. BADARSE

    May 14, 2014, 18:43 #51412

    The crux of any modern problem, which creates a certain dilemma is invariably, perhaps always, the financial reward. The cash bonus for each and every position in the PL is awesomely rewarding. £17million for us I believe, £4-5 million who just avoid relegation. Every year for ages we have enjoyed these fourth/third place returns. They are far too much and far too influential in altering approaches to the game, and strategies. Everything nowadays is stacked against the development of youth, the situation that westlower highlighted is a very valid abomination. Even so the acute disparity between us and say Villa equates with the cost of a reasonable £12 million player. With the financial enticements bolted onto PL life, people need to reassess their approach to most things. In a nutshell, things are different now, very different, and the desire for yesterday isn't a remote possibility, anytime soon. No wonder the FFP rule brings disconcerted hope.

  15. Westlower

    May 14, 2014, 18:26 #51411

    @Bard, Coming 4th is relative to the opposition you have finished behind. IMO, we're the 3rd/4th best team in the PL, the variable being Man U's dip. Liverpool improved greatly & made the most of favourable circumstances. The bookies have us 5th favourites to win the PL next season and it's hard to disagree. Unfortunately for AFC, our worst run of injuries & fixture pile up coincided with our hardest games. Who knows if the pendulum of good fortune will swing our way next season but the odds tell us 4th isn't a failure.

  16. Westlower

    May 14, 2014, 18:07 #51408

    @Ron & Bard, Managerial/coaching stability is linked to our clubs philosophy of building a team v buying a team, aka cheque book teams Man C & Chelsea. It's also linked to giving young players a chance. This season Chelsea loaned out 23 players with obviously no intention of starting them in the first team. Isn't this the case for getting FFP to work because the mega rich clubs don't have to produce young players anymore. Historically, the last few weeks of the season always allowed clubs to blood youngsters but since the PL pays £1m per finishing position that option has largely disappeared. Man U played a couple of starlets (one of whom scored 2 goals) in their last game but their league position was not affected, win, lose or draw.

  17. Bard

    May 14, 2014, 16:27 #51402

    MG and Ron: I support that argument. I also think that what needs changing is the attitude as much as the manager. We have to date always talked about competing When it's clear we're well short on several fronts. I don't have a problem with not winning trophies if we've busted a gut trying to win them. At the moment we just make up the numbers mostly this FAC excepted. I want our next manager to show some ambition and some cojones, longevity is of no interest to me. This has nothing to do with creating instability or making us like the Spuds. This is what top class sport is all about. Leading a 10 lap race for 7 laps and then coming 4th is failure.

  18. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 14, 2014, 14:54 #51395

    Westie, i see your point ref angry mob, sadly as we know the days of getting time are gone (so is power), although when our new man comes in he's going to have to be given some time (he'll certainly not be given the same power as the current one indeed i certainly hope not), of course as you say there will always be some who will find fault and disagree with this and that, and i include myself in that, but won't we all? but i do think the big majority of us will be patient (have we not been very good at that?) but i'm certainly not talking about eight, nine, seasons like the current manager has had i doubt we'll ever see that again even from the club itself let alone the fans unless he proves himself a fantastic success, even then it wouldn't be guaranteed with other big/bigger clubs after his services. You'd have to be looking at three seasons maybe four at a push if real progress was been made for him to get it right IMO, whether we like it or not that's all any manager is going to get now before the angry mob get restless, and as i've alluded to i doubt we'll see such loyalty again even from the club itself so they might beat them to it.

  19. A Cornish Gooner

    May 14, 2014, 14:31 #51393

    @BADARSE,Thanks for the response. The intention of my earlier post was to suggest something to you politely(ish)and humorously, without antagonising you. The fact that you ask if I consider my post to be a failure means that you understood the suggestion. The fact that you liked it means that I didn't antagonise you too much. So I don't consider it to be a failure.

  20. Ron

    May 14, 2014, 14:03 #51390

    Bard - that's my point mate, the Spuds are far from unstable, they're a solid Club with money behind it. Its their decision making re coach recruiting that's unstable (i exclude Sherwood). The fact they've had about 200 coaches in the last 20 years hasn't stopped the Club developing as a Club. As a team its those coaches who've been lacking, largely due maybe to having that the Alf Garnett lookalike oaf, Levy, dipping his grimy fingers into proceedings.

  21. Bard

    May 14, 2014, 13:48 #51388

    Im not sure it's a choice between Wengerlike stability or the instability of the Spuds. Surely there is a middle way. The question has to be can this manager take the club forward? If he can he stays if he can't he goes. Where there is disagreement is in the answer to that question.

  22. Ron

    May 14, 2014, 12:35 #51379

    Westie - Healthy stability can be beneficial granted. Its a mistake though to assume that stability per se (in whichever way its perceived ) invariably means a healthy situation. It as often as not means sterility. Stability is only ok as long as its not maintained for the sake of avoiding change. In Arsenals case its maintained for purposes and objectives none of which relate to sporting prowess and achievement. Therein lies the fissure between Board and supporters, many of whom are oceans apart as this message board suggests. Changing one staff member on its own doesn't destabilize a Club/business. Its a myriad of other factors that does that. Its a media myth to conflate 'stability' to a long incumbent coach. If long serving coaches were an absolute key to success, most, if not all of the Worlds top Clubs would be at the bottom. Man Utd was an exception and that phenomena was largely explained by having a system put in place in 1992 to ensure long term success plus the power being invested in that Club by the PL to ensure football selling its soul to SKY was a 'success'. As with stability, 'success' is a subjective and pliable concept too. Its a good thing that it is for the likes of Mr Wenger, who he personally, as does his employer, stretches the imagination to define it.

  23. BADARSE

    May 14, 2014, 11:45 #51377

    A Cornish Gooner, I hope you don't consider it a failure, but I really liked your post. No Hara Hiri in the area, but I did notice a few Harry Ramsdens, no tell a lie, I found a Tiny Tott in the gents after hearing Timmy had gone muttering, 'Number fifteen!', as he tried to commit Harry Redknap by strangling himself.

  24. Westlower

    May 14, 2014, 11:28 #51376

    @Jeff, No problems with changing the manager, as long as the decision isn't just to appease people agitating for change sake. Stability has to be preferable to continual upheaval.

  25. jeff wright

    May 14, 2014, 10:47 #51373

    Westie, firing managers is the norm abroad ,even successful ones. Ferguson kept his job for so long down to being successful following on a long period of mediocrity at United . Wenger's survived his long period of trophyless years because of the changes made to the qualification rules for the Champions League (sic). Under the old rules of actually having to be a champion Wenger would have been a failure playing in the Uefa Cup or whatever it was called and gone long ago. The perception of keeping us at top level,not to mention the multi-millions made, kept Arsene afloat in the actual sea of mediocrity that he was sailing in. All big businesses regularly freshen things up by changing personnel , this notion that it is a bad thing to do is dependent in reality on the result of it . Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. Same in football,changing managers saved Sunderland and Palace this season,with baseball cap wearing Eagles boss Pulis being voted manager of the year. Surely this can't be right though because Arsene deserves that award for reaching the FAC final !

  26. A Cornish Gooner

    May 14, 2014, 10:42 #51372

    Huge rise in Hara kiri in the Borehamwood area over the last couple of days

  27. GaryFootscrayAustralia

    May 14, 2014, 10:07 #51370

    Apologies Tom, I made a mess of that reply.

  28. BADARSE

    May 14, 2014, 9:42 #51367

    Morning Playmates. Loved it Carl! @Ron here's a tip, try to embrace your feminine side-it will make more of a man of you. Been in the Boreham Wood area for a couple of days with my wife-24601 knows why, saw the pitch from a window and thought of the Arsenal Ladies team, who ever believed that women aren't equals? julesd, I say this with the utmost sincerity, I am so, so pleased you are on this site. A nice article Tom, thank you. Be back shortly, play amongst yourselves for a while, the play doh is on the table-do not eat anymore Bard; stickle bricks beside the Wendy House-maguiresbridge do not push one up your nose again-oh, and apologies to those who thought they had seen the back of me, a 'bad penny' and all that.

  29. Westlower

    May 14, 2014, 8:59 #51366

    Sorry to see Sagna go, but if he wants to leave, thanks for your efforts,goodbye & good luck! Like all young players, Jenks needs a run of at least 10 consecutive games to bed in and make the position his own.

  30. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    May 14, 2014, 8:57 #51365

    If 4th place is a trophy, is Wenger leaving one too?

  31. chris dee

    May 14, 2014, 8:34 #51364

    I refer you to my post last year. Carl Jenkinson should be made club captain. He is already a decent full back and has great potential.A good defensive coach a la George Graham would make him the full package.Add his enthusiasm and love of the club and we have the new Pat Rice.

  32. Ozzie

    May 14, 2014, 7:26 #51363

    I'll settle for an FA Cup over that glitzy CL rubbish anyday OUT WENGER!!!

  33. Westlower

    May 14, 2014, 6:58 #51362

    @Bard, You've highlighted the misconception that WOB's have about perceived AKB's. I can only speak for myself but I have no problem with AFC appointing a new manager. My brief is that it should be a measured decision between the board and current manager. I would be horrified should that decision be influenced by the 'angry' mob. The same people who today defend the AFC manager, are the same people who will defend the new manager when he comes under fire from the angry mob further down the road. Nothing will change, only the name of the new manager. Some, won't be happy until we become a hire'em & fire'em club, just like our poor neighbours down the Lane.

  34. Flash Gunner

    May 13, 2014, 22:55 #51361

    @BigGoonerDerv Sagna is actually asking for a rolling 1 year contract on £80k per week. Wenger is signing a new contract on £160k per week. Do the math.....

  35. jeff wright

    May 13, 2014, 22:54 #51360

    lee arsene fc again you confuse Arsenal with Arsene.. but hey nothing new there what !

  36. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 13, 2014, 22:40 #51359

    Bard, providing OGL didn't try and convert him into a left back.

  37. Jason B

    May 13, 2014, 22:14 #51358

    Loved Jenkinho's goal!!!

  38. Bard

    May 13, 2014, 22:00 #51357

    Westie why are you posting odds re the the new Arsenal manager? You are one of his greatest supporters, are you beginning to doubt? You'll be in big trouble with the missus, she loves him. BGD; Im with you on that one. If Sagna wants out play Jenks. Sanga can sit on the bench and count his money.

  39. lee arsene fc

    May 13, 2014, 21:55 #51356

    ''If you didn't enjoy Jenkinsons goal then you are most likely dead inside''.........Jeff Wright....this headline sums up your position in life....Will there ever be a day when can give just the remotest piece of praise to the arsenal......see ya Saturday in London HA9...

  40. BigGoonerDave

    May 13, 2014, 21:09 #51355

    Sagna seems intent on leaving Arsenal after Saturday,he seems to think that holding Arsenal to ransom entitles him to play in the cup final,well sorry Sagna but as far I'm concerned your no longer part of this club so there's no place for you in it,go forth and take your greedy attitude with it. I would prefer to see a player with desire and ambition and loyalty turn out for The Arsenal in the cup final,with respect to Hull we could put Lee Dixon at right back and still beat them.For me Carl Jenkinson should start the F.A cup final.a

  41. John F

    May 13, 2014, 21:04 #51354

    Really pleased for Jenks.News from up north. I now live in Beverley near Hull.The Hull Daily Mail are trying to wind up the locals by showing signs of the Islington road closures for the intended Arsenal parade claiming we are being cocky. The Press up here especially Peter Levy on Look North love portraying us southerners as arrogant.I have to say the Hull fans I know are a decent friendly lot and the whole place has got cup fever,although if Arsenal lose I may have to move back down.

  42. Westlower

    May 13, 2014, 20:29 #51353

    @Ron From the short list of next AFC manager the interesting one is Remi Garde. He leaves Lyon at the end of the month, which would be timely should AW step down after the cup final. Garde was earmarked to be Director of Football at AFC, replacing the departing David Dein, but it never happened for whatever reason? He has experience with AFC of the EPL & managed Lyon in the CL last year. Previously he was assistant to Gerard Houliier at Lyon before taking over the director of football role at that club, developing such as Benzema, Remy & Ben Arfa. Sporting 20/1 shot. Klopp is Mr Marmite and I suspect he wouldn't sit easy with the AFC board. Could easily see Benitez or Low being a safe pair of hands. Both would attract top players to AFC. A complete outsider, once heavily touted as AW's replacement, is the Yugoslav, Daragan Stojkovic, who played for Wenger in Japan before taking over as manager when AW left for London.

  43. jeff wright

    May 13, 2014, 19:52 #51352

    Yes when you have players like Messi,Ronaldo ,Henry,etc, the coaches tactics are largely irrelevant because these type of players can win you games with their individual skills. Although I don't rate Van Persie in the class of those players nonetheless he was the player that won Sir Jocko his last hurrah title ,without the Dutchman that United side was as we saw this season very ordinary. This begs the question why was it that Wenger was unable to win anything with the moody Persie - while Sir Jocko did. Then there is the fact that Wenger was the only top manager who failed to beat a struggling Moyes ,with Wenger losing away and only managing a 0-0 draw at home to him .Title contenders my Arse , a proper title contending side would have seized the opportunity to beat United this season but our players were hampered by Wenger's tactics that even that ordinary United team was able to deal with. Wenger's lame-duck ticky-tacky failed to score a single goal against Moyes side. Same with Wenger v Mourinho whom he faced 3 times and lost 2 and drew one Mourinho 8 - Wenger 0 was the outcome of those tete a tetes. Hull though and their manager Bruce are Wenger's level so on the laws of probability Wenger can finish the season with a victory, even though it's not the one he wanted, or rather was unable to win.

  44. Bard

    May 13, 2014, 19:27 #51351

    The tikka taka argument is redundant Ron. It worked so well because he had Messi banging in 50 goals a season year on year. Put him up front for Arsenal and we would be world beaters. For 3/4 years the guy was unstoppable.

  45. Ron

    May 13, 2014, 18:57 #51350

    Westie - The thought of Bould, Bergy, Vieira, Garde worrying. Martinez too has question marks v his name. Is he ready yet? Not at all sure. Guardiola s tika tip taka in place of Wengers tippy tap and tap again, is a less than re assuring thought too. We all know what Beckenbauer thinks of tika and im inclined to agree. Boring as hell plus in England, add unproductive.

  46. John

    May 13, 2014, 18:47 #51349

    Jenks is a good back up for games like Norwich.He knows his limitations so do we.He is happy to play 10 games a season.But he is a much better player than the RB who played for us in the CL final.Dont forget Perry Groves and the great Steve Williams were lifelong Gooners

  47. Westlower

    May 13, 2014, 18:42 #51348

    Betting on next AFC manager: Klopp 10/1; Benitez 16/1, Bould 16/1; Martinez 16/1; Simone 16/1; Mancini 18/1; Pep 18/1; Remi Garde 20/1; DB 20/1; Low 33/1; PV 33/1.

  48. Westlower

    May 13, 2014, 18:27 #51347

    @Alsace, The conundrum hasn't been worked out by the German national coach either. Podolski has played 112 games for Germany scoring 46 goals from the left wing position. Simply doesn't play as the central striker for his country.

  49. Tom Martin

    May 13, 2014, 18:11 #51345

    Gary, I meant since John Hartson, I'm more than aware that other Welsh players have played for Arsenal in the past but Ramsey was the first Welsh player since Hartson left.

  50. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    May 13, 2014, 17:40 #51344

    Interesting that TH 14 said that one of his greatest goals was the one that he scored as a fan (v Leeds United in the Cup) having not played for us for some years. It is a very special moment when someone who is a supporter and is lucky enough to play for the team scores. Jenkinson is fast and can cross the ball well( in a team of slow players who can't cross the ball). I wonder where he should play? It's a puzzler. Much like where you would choose to play a striker with an accurate shot that is twice as hard as anyone else's in the country. If only we had a manager who could work these mighty conundrums out.

  51. Don't Piss On Me & Say It's Raining.

    May 13, 2014, 17:06 #51342

    Great article Tom, it's nice to read something positive. Gary, that was a bit uncalled for, nobody likes a smarta*se!

  52. GaryFootscrayAustralia

    May 13, 2014, 16:44 #51341

    Jack Kelsey was a legend for both Wales and The Arsenal long before Hartson - or Peter Nicholas for that matter - played for the club. Learn your club history!!

  53. Gunner SA

    May 13, 2014, 16:42 #51340

    Great piece Mr Martin. More please

  54. Ron

    May 13, 2014, 14:52 #51337

    He seems a good lad and his effort is startlingly good. Hes like a throwback to when football had passion and guts to accompany it. Alas, like most'cult figures', the cult status is usually collateral compensation for not being good enough to play at the level they re at. Young Carl would wow em at Norwich, West Ham or Sunderland et al.

  55. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 13, 2014, 14:12 #51331

    Yes Tom it was a great moment for the lad, and another one on Saturday would mean even more, although he still has a long way to go he's living the dream, another Charlie George perhaps? one of our own where he can go on an be revered at the club and be classed as such, that's if he's not ruined first.

  56. Savage

    May 13, 2014, 12:53 #51325

    I am perfectly happy with Jenkinson as a long-term number two. He'll continue to improve and always be ready to come on and do a job when needs must. Not many players will tolerate extended time on the bench, but a true Gooner will more likely.

  57. Christof

    May 13, 2014, 12:51 #51324

    Jimmy Carter scored TWICE!!

  58. Bard

    May 13, 2014, 12:37 #51323

    Really good post Tom. Jenks is a reminder of what playing for arsenal should mean. I really hope he develops into a top class right back. The team lacks real leaders. I am wholeheartedly in agreement with your frustrations about our transfer activity.

  59. WENGER OUT

    May 13, 2014, 12:35 #51322

    I think Jenks should be used far more often - When Sagna leaves, he will no doubt be thrust into the first team and will be unprepared for the transition. Certainly I think it will take time to find his confidence again and will go through a tough time if he suffers a few early set backs. I think he has the potential to be better than Sagna. Sagna is more limited in terms of the talents he was born with, but has a much better understanding of the game, which as we know, is half of the battle for a defender. I recall a game at the Etihad last season where for me Jenky was the man of the match, gave the City defence a torrid time. He will never get to the level he needs to be at if he is a permanent second choice at Arsenal. The ideal scenario would be for Sagna to be gradually phased out over the next 2 years, but unfortunately I think the writing is on the wall for his Arsenal career - Shame really!

  60. kilkenny cat

    May 13, 2014, 12:31 #51321

    Great to see a true gooner,who celebrated like any fan would. Back to the days of Rocky,Davis and alike. I think Jenks has improved a lot and because of his desire and passion alone,is worth keeping. I think he could play centre half or even in the holding role. He is quick and his distribution has improved.

  61. Peter Wain

    May 13, 2014, 11:59 #51320

    I think he is a better crosser of the ball than Sagna although not as good a defender. However he is a lot younger and we should play him more.

  62. billthered

    May 13, 2014, 11:08 #51318

    I stated a few weeks ago that I would rather have Jenks than a few of the others when we lost big games by big scores some fans suggested he was not good enough.Well as you stated we know his limitations but losing by big scores I would rather have him as it would mean more to him than those that dont seem committed enough.Oh and by the way Tom I know I am a lot older than you but I was at Wembley in 1971 and saw a great Arsenal supporter get the winner in the cup final verses Liverpool it cant get better than that can it?