A message from the manager

Not so much Being John Malkovich as Being Arsene Wenger?



A message from the manager


So, after nine long years of waiting, we finally have a trophy. Okay, it’s not the Premier League or Champions League, but it’s not the Coca Cola Rumbelows Worthington Milk Capital One League Cup either. Instead we’ve won the FA Cup, and whilst the insane influx of money into other tournaments has sucked some of the magic and romanticism out of it, it remains the oldest and most prestigious domestic cup competition in the footballing world, and therefore is not to be sniffed at.

Now, for some of you, this does not present any kind of a problem. You have defended me to the hilt, even after all the humiliating cup exists and crushing defeats to big and small teams alike, insisting that Arsenal’s perennial qualification for the Champions League in spite of financial constraints was as good as could have been hoped for. A shiny new stadium and some scintillating, if not always effective football have more than made up for the lack of silverware.

Others of you take an altogether less forgiving view - Arsenal is the third most successful club in the history of English football and nine years is too long to go without savouring the sweet taste of success, financial constraints or no. For that reason, the FA Cup victory is too little, too late. You might be grateful for the good times, but you don’t feel I am the man to take us to the next level. Some of you are of the opinion that the Cup makes for the perfect parting gesture and others of you are annoyed because it doesn’t represent the kind of success you were hoping for and serves only to give me a reason to sign a new contract. Either way, you have wanted me gone for some time now, and that has not changed.

But then there are those of you who are faced with a horrible dilemma. You are the ones for whom the ideal scenario has always been for me to stay on and steer the Good Ship Arsenal back into successful waters, but, until recently, just weren’t convinced that I could do it. Therefore, if, back in August, I’d offered you a top-four finish and the FA Cup, you would have bitten my hand off. However, if I’d then told you that, on the way, we would be five points clear at the top of the Premier League in December, only to suffer a series of humiliating away defeats which would result in our sinking as low as fifth at one point, you might have regurgitated the hand and given it back to me.

And this is the dilemma - part of you wants me to stay because I’ve delivered the trophy you so desperately craved. When you saw me soaked in Champagne, and grinning from ear to ear as the players threw me up in the air at Wembley, all you could think about was how the good times have finally returned to the club. You might have lined the streets of Islington the next day as the open-top bus drove proudly past, or gathered at the stadium and wondered if it was possible that a professional athlete really could be as drunk as Per Mertesacker seemed to be so early in the day as he belted out the songs of the North Bank in a comical, albeit entirely genuine German accent. But another part of you remembers all the times I refused to embrace a more pragmatic approach to the big games and instead bamboozled you with bizarre team selections and perplexing substitutions. You remember having to suffer the taunts from your colleagues and friends and the times you had to respond to the question, ‘how can you lot be so good one minute and so bad the next?’ with a pointed ‘how the hell am I supposed to know?’

None of us knows exactly what the future holds, but, whatever happens, it may well be the case that you will never be able to reconcile your conflicting opinions about me. For now though, you’re just going to have to try and get your head around the agonisingly contradictory notion that, for years, you’ve been frustrated because I haven’t been able to deliver a trophy, but now you’re frustrated because I have.

Ed’s note – One of our readers, Ash Read, has put together a YouTube video lasting 42 seconds of the FA Cup Final Day as told through images shared on Instagram. It combines images from 129 Instagrammers. It’s worth a look and can be viewed here.


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  1. Patrick Atkinson

    May 26, 2014, 12:58 #52012

    Great to win the FA Cup. As my brother always say's it's an achievment for a club to build and pay back the money for a stadium. Money was an issue. Though what is wanted by fans who were their all the time more success, while lowering of the ticket prices for all fans with a bigger say. The beautifull 'game' is when you can watch Denis Bergkamp the master of the game. Tony Adams in defence, while Wilsher and others are coming up to the mark.

  2. Ozzie

    May 25, 2014, 12:53 #51993

    Hmph! It wasn't so long ago half of England were singing the praises of Allardyce and then Harry Redknapp...how quickly you change your tune.

  3. Mike Collins

    May 25, 2014, 11:09 #51992

    Great thing is, Arse, that even when you do pack it in there are so many top men out there to bring to the Emirates - Tim Sherwood, Pepe Mel, that Penfold chap at Fulham, the mighty David Moyes, and so on. We might have a pop at you now and again but perhaps we should be counting our blessings...

  4. Ozzie

    May 25, 2014, 9:14 #51989

    Chris, correct.

  5. Chris

    May 25, 2014, 8:53 #51986

    Ozzie - So by the same logic, it's the players that failed to deliver a trophy in the previous 8 seasons, right?

  6. Ozzie

    May 24, 2014, 11:00 #51960

    YOU didn't deliver the FA Cup, Mr Wenger - the PLAYERS did! You have delivered nothing for nigh on a decade and insulted the supporters by strengthening the opposition with Arsenal players and you are still doing it. You ignored your own fans when they were screaming out for a top striker in Jan. And you snub your nose at the very grass roots of the club. A lot of people on here who have jumped back on your bandwagon are short sighted and in denial. Arsenal are lacking something you cannot provide. Your days in the sun were provided by Bergkamp, Henry, Adams, Viera, Seaman and Pires. Your game is out in the open - and found wanting. I hope the mighty Os can win through to the Championship this weekend.

  7. Tony Evans

    May 23, 2014, 9:13 #51899

    Of course if Wenger can be persuaded to spend it the next problem is getting him to spend it on players we actually need and not more midfield midgets. Let's have a decent striker or two and some more steel and leadership in the side.

  8. Tony Evans

    May 23, 2014, 9:01 #51898

    Further to my previous comment I don't doubt at all that there is money to spend (as has been the case for a while now I am sure) the problem is getting the bugger to spend it!

  9. Tony Evans

    May 23, 2014, 8:45 #51896

    I see 'Lord Harris of Peckham' (an anachronism just like all the rest of the titled nonsense this country suffers from)has spoken and (yawn) apparently Arsene has plenty of money to spend this summer. Please will someone pass the salt as I think I need a large pinch of it!

  10. Wenger is ant-british

    May 23, 2014, 8:38 #51895

    We have only 6 british players in the squad which is absolutely shocking. Why is Chuba Akpom the talented english striker our best youth player is never given a chance yet Sanago gets numerous undeserved chances? Why is Jenkinson not being a given a chance to be our first choice RB and some guy from the french league Aurier is being brought in? Why was Ozil bought when we had Jack Wilshere? Now one of our the brightest english talent Jack Wilshere is not a regular anymore. Why is Alex Oxlade CHamberlain not a regular when he has proven himself to be better than Cazorla, Podolski on the wings? Why aren't we after the brightest english talent Shaw like our rivals are? I wish Wenger would leave the club and we get a coach who gives chances to British players.

  11. Bard

    May 23, 2014, 8:07 #51894

    BADARSE; my money is on stumbling through proceedings. Thats on the basis of evidence of the last 9 years. I see they have already wheeled out Lord Harris that week known football pundit who tells us we can sign anyone bar Bale, Ronaldo, and Messi. Where have I heard that, oh yes at the same time last season. I would love Fabregas back. Wonderful player.

  12. BADARSE

    May 23, 2014, 8:07 #51893

    A big consideration 24601, and one I had overlooked in real terms. Yes a dangerous prospect when a good/top side plays without European commitments, once more I bow-wow to you my dear old Coco Pop. Excited by the prospects yet to be with the Arsenal.

  13. Westlower

    May 23, 2014, 7:48 #51892

    Wouldn't Fabregas be an ideal replacement for Arteta? Agree with Ron that we also need a Lars Bender/Morgan Schneiderlin type DM. Interesting that Antoine Griezmann of Real Sociedad is being mentioned in dispatches. Tricky left winger, recently gaining his first full French cap. Would be a typical Wenger signing, but may mean the end of Podolski. Disagree with my cereal brother Badarse (no added salt or sugar), re Man U. At 11/2 I think they are a cracking bet to be PL champs next season. Look what a season free from Europe did for Liverpool & Everton. Man U with a fixture advantage over the rest will be a very dangerous animal.

  14. BADARSE

    May 23, 2014, 6:06 #51890

    Morning DW Thomas-my 'man on a ledge'. I am with you champ. I think Fabregas was amongst the best I have ever seen. Skill and attributes of any number of players can be varied to a point of in-exhaustive surprise. Fabregas positional sense allowed him to see moves before others, and had the technical ability to deliver a killing pass, to turn either left or right with the ball retaining possession, or finishing. A daunting combination. Sad he left, still sad he isn't in one of our shirts. Loved the young man's persona, though was never a skipper. Would welcome him back without a second thought. Your moniker suggests a Welsh connection, are you, like me, an Aaron man?

  15. Joe S.

    May 23, 2014, 5:49 #51889

    Let's not go into the in Arsene we trust crap. Nine years is a long time to wait for a tin pot cup, when better managers have achieved much more with less. Had United kept Moyes and given him room to breathe as well as clear outyesterday's men ie Giggs, Rooney and other Fergueson albatrosses I'm sure he would have delivered them a Premiership in five years. As good as Arsenal's FA Cup win was, it was all about the moment. If the club's direction is more of the same then who will give a fig about last year's glory.The Wegner out campaign should begin now because the managers who can guide Arsenal into the future will soon be lost to our rival clubs.

  16. BADARSE

    May 23, 2014, 5:39 #51888

    Good morny my little variety packs. Some go snap, crackle or pop, others are wiser with fruit and fibre added, yet many just go soggy in the bowl of understanding when the milk of kindness is poured. Avoid emulsified types, they really are the cereal killers, and porridge will always triumph, especially served with less sugar wherever possibobble, and try to reduce to semi-skilled when you can. So surprise, surprise in the local elections, when a European sceptical and fearful nation, votes for a European sceptical and fearful UKIP( no jelly and ice cream at this type of...) party. 'OK and now my 'telligence Gummidge 'ead is on, me Aunt Sally'. I personally see Man U struggling next season, but only by their recent standards. Although I love tea I do not see these two "T's", the Totts or the Toffees shaking the top of the tree very convincingly. As I expect Liverpool to fall away from last season's achievements the door will be open to those recognised top four muscling their way to the front of the pack-Man U will obviously be back in that group and therefore an improvement naturally achieved, but a tail runner nonetheless. We remain the enigma in that foursome. I expect the Oilers to strong-arm proceedings, and I wouldn't rule out anything from the Chavs, but even see a kind of disharmony, possibly a meltdown and fracture of management and squad in south west London. As I said we are a puzzle. Do whatever deemed correct with a level of aplomb even surprises, or stumble through proceedings. Whatever the close season brings I am quietly expecting us to breathe down the necks of the two financial giants. Intriguing and interesting times ahead. Trying to get a group of 16 for the 'E' Cup on the Sunday against Monaco. Expecting to get a glimpse of the Silver Lady-our FA Cup. My grandchildren will be excited to see it, and of course this children here too.

  17. Edmund

    May 23, 2014, 1:46 #51887

    If only the real Arsene Wenger would post here and take feedback.

  18. DW Thomas

    May 23, 2014, 1:11 #51886

    Sorry, but Fabregas was our best player when he left and deserved way more from Wenger. He was paired with players like Denilson and Song. Had he stayed with our current group he would still shine! He had the rare ability to pass and see 2-3 steps ahead of the play. He just never had a quality squad overall around him. If given the freedom he would dominate our attack. Paired with somepne like Suarez he would get 20-25 assists easy. He should have never left and I imagine regrets it big time.

  19. BADARSE

    May 22, 2014, 23:34 #51885

    N4, I have never met an AFC fan who would admit to being an AKB. Perhaps you have? You do seem to know a lot about these people. Are there many you know, more still that you don't? You also seem to be aware of their philosophy in that they love a man, not a football team? And they love him blindly? Does that mean they keep their eyes closed a lot? Sorry but your post seems a little odd to me. If these people unsettle you, or you don't really like them, why on earth do you surround yourself with them? Here's a tip. Next time you see one, just cross to the other side of the street and ignore the person...I would. Anyway, red and white dreams young man.

  20. N4

    May 22, 2014, 22:49 #51884

    @ Rocky - Totally agree with you...it's bit like these days as the elections are near and you see all the members selling you all those false promises...or even knocking at your door to tell you that there is an hour left for you to go and vote...just like when it's near for the ST need renewing...then once it's done they just turn their back on you and forget that you ever existed! Those AKBs as they proudly call themselve (i.e. real fans....NOT!) are simply blindly in love with Arsene FC not with Arsenal FC!

  21. Martyn

    May 22, 2014, 22:15 #51883

    I hope Sagna takes a comfortable cushion with him to City. He would get regular start at the Emirates but wants the comfort of sitting on the bench and taking the pay instead. I suppose why play more when you can play less and still pick up a title medal. Happy semi-retirement Bacary and thanks.

  22. Rocky RIP

    May 22, 2014, 21:12 #51882

    @ N4 - I know it was a rhetorical question, but I thought exactly the same thing when I saw him celebrating as we lifted the trophy. It's the same when a country wins the world cup, the president or prime minister is always so prominent on the podium. Like it had anything to do with their leadership. Maybe a bit harsh on Gazidis and more applicable to the be-touped Denver nugget. I didn't begrudge seeing Ken Friar there, as he's a proper Arsenal man. Gazidis just seemed to me to make himself as noticeable as possible, which I doubt would have been the case if we'd lost.

  23. Bard

    May 22, 2014, 19:51 #51880

    Limpar : mate I don't know whether that post re Sagna was a joke or not. But the answer to your question is the small matter of £150000, week totalling £20m+ over the length of his new contract. What's not to like about that. Loyalty you have got to be kidding.

  24. N4

    May 22, 2014, 19:33 #51879

    Where the hell was Gazidis before the cup final?!!! Tells you all about Arsenal lies....!!!

  25. jjetplane

    May 22, 2014, 16:51 #51877

    As you say RON would we have ever thought we would be outside the Arsenal fold but sometimes I wonder whether it is like completing a circle. Talking with a football mum and his boy the other day who kicks ball from dawn to evening and selects the cheapest football mags and cuts around the players and puts them up on the wall. That is what we all used to do from 60s and living in a completely Arsenal house we still had players up on the wall from every team from Burnley (hoy hoy) to Citeh (hey hey) and a Jon Sammuels here and there. Feel like that now when I see a player doing something amazing - having that 'Colin Bell' moment. Watching Ramsey ballooning the ball thrice at wembley and then getting that slimmest of chances which meant no backlift/semi-toe punt and into the eye of the net. Only players I have seen hit a ball in that fashion this season are Bale and Messi. Making the ugly look beautiful. Think Ramsey also has an authentic character about him which makes poor little Jack look like a silly schoolboy with too much attitude. Bloody Scholes right again! Like you say RON football wins out and the memories are the oddest at times. Thinking of Being at Brighton's old ground in the open when it ice sleeted for the whole game and they lost to a late goal from Leicester. The latter another of those clubs we may be hearing a lot of in the fashion of when we were kids. I would love to see them in the new, spoilt age give a few of the comfort merchants a good caning. Cue Arteta with arms waving throughout next season because a he has been rightly booked b he wants someone else booked. I am impatient for the circus to roll into town again - the clowns filling in for the absence of big cats. Fat Cats yes but you cannot see them unless you have a room at the top. Almost gonna say Come on you rip roaring .... inna lower east stylee .... zigger zagger ...

  26. Man United Killer

    May 22, 2014, 16:50 #51876

    Limpar.I respectfully disagree that Sagna is pathetic.You can't blame the man for wanting to win titles.This is his career and he must make decisions that seem best to him.Besides he is not getting any younger.

  27. Ron

    May 22, 2014, 16:32 #51875

    Limpar - Do you really believe that Fabregas is what our engine room needs though? If hes heading back, which was always likely i agree, do you not think its might be just AW inspired football romanticism? Its my view his time came and went and we should recall him favourably, but the modern game here now leaves us needing a far greater midfield presence than Fabregas ever offered. Im of the view that AW has over egged the pudding with his romanticism for far too long and that's one of the reasons we ve been brushed aside so often and for so long really.No more please Arsene. The team needs some pragamatism, you've got your helping of romance with Mr Ozil who himself needs some hard faced pragmatism to enable him to shine.

  28. Amos

    May 22, 2014, 16:29 #51874

    I doubt that any one thinks one cup win makes Wenger a greater manager but if a very recent survey carried out prior to the Cup final by the Black Scarf Movement (not known for their warmth towards Wenger) among some 8,000 plus supporters regarding their feelings towards the re-appointment of Wenger under different scenarios, is anything to go by, he would have remained fairly popular even if he hadn't won the Cup. The scenarios were support for Wenger 1) If we finished 4th and won the cup (68% in favour) 2)Finished top four but failed to win Cup (61% in favour) 3) Win the Cup but outside top four (56% in favour) 4) Finished outside top four and failed to win Cup (54% in favour).

  29. Arsene's biggest accolyte

    May 22, 2014, 16:14 #51873

    Hoorah for Arsene! This one win proves you are the greatest. As everyone know, Arsenal were nothing before you came along. The trophies beforehand were meaningless. The only history that matters is the one created from 1996 onwards. Arsene, Kind of Alsace I love you!

  30. Limpar

    May 22, 2014, 16:02 #51872

    Dont be silly guys selling players is over. We are now competing. The buying of the one of the best players in the world Ozil for 42m proves that. It is looking quite like Cesc will return. What a signing. Happy times ahead my gooners.

  31. Limpar

    May 22, 2014, 15:50 #51871

    I'm very dissapointed with Sagna. More than 250000 fans and his teammates sung for him to stay and yet he is leaving. How can you do that? What a pathetic man Bacary turned out to be

  32. Ron

    May 22, 2014, 15:49 #51870

    Amos - True enough. Our failing has always lay with the replacing as opposed to the selling hasn't it.I supported the sale of RVP. It was such a great deal for a guy whose fitness was never going to last much longer. His sale was anticipated a long time before i venture, we just needed a good run of games out of him and got one great season in 8. Good money for him and Utd weren't a rival by any means as many claimed at the time. AW has sold well ive always thought. He was a year late with TH and lost good money. PV was well past his best. Nasri, nothing really special though hes improved at City. Fabs wouldnt have performed had we have made him hang about. I don't think any departure in the last 8 years should hang AW out for pelting with tomatoes, but its into the stocks for him for a pelting for some of his buys at times for me.

  33. Mark - Conspiracy is clear

    May 22, 2014, 15:40 #51869

    JJ Ron Badarse; glad you agree. Gadadzis is a city fan lets not forget. since city changed owner AFC have been their closest ally. see also the warmth between managers which is pretty rare for Wenger. Viera is the more obvious go-between. so whats the deal ? its clear to me so here goes. Arsenal get to make money as City will always buy / overpay for our best players. they wanted RVP dont forget but he didnt want them. In return they will also let us get their cast offs when we want them. Wenger got a look at Barry but said no. Milner could be different as i think we could use him. City get Wenger's conveyor belt of talent and they get a crack at EPL and CL which Arsenal dont really want to win. Well not at the cost of the club losing money anyway..

  34. Ron

    May 22, 2014, 15:37 #51868

    Badarse - Sound stuff there. 'Breasting the waves' is apt. I think we all do that really as we have no choice. Its just that breasting so many of them vis football leaves so much salt in the mouth! I like to fall back on my basic love of 'the sport' as opposed to the Club. Its created a detachment from my Club that im not too pleased about to be honest, but it does enhance a clearer view of the sport as a whole and for me, a less cluttered and less partial view of the Arsenal. Shame really, as i used to love wearing red coloured lenses for all those years that i did!

  35. Ron

    May 22, 2014, 15:12 #51867

    Stop being .... Have your view by all means but your notion that Man Utd are a joke is just silly wishful thinking to be honest. There ll be no 26 year 'desert' from them this time. Yes, many players not up to scratch as yet, but they ll address it with the same vigour and vitality they did when they went down back in 1974. Losing top 4 is like a repeat relegation to a club like them now. The gloves will be off vis other Clubs who think as you appear to do i suspect. JJ s comments on Ramsey are with the possible future in mind, not now. Do some of you not read before replying? I can see Ramsey pushing on to become a powerful player from here for sure. Not ever World class maybe but top class, no doubt.

  36. jeff wright

    May 22, 2014, 15:09 #51866

    MG,that guy with the spud iN his hand is Finsbury Joe ! You can count on the spuds to be back pre-season warning us that they are on the boil again after Levy has signed another new manager - and spent millions more on on new players. Levy is another example of how to produce failure by mis-spending money . I see myself the old usual suspects United causing us more problems than the spuds, and Wenger relying on the Rodgers revolution at Anfield coming off-the rails to help him in his bid to win 4th place in the Prem again .I can't rule out another domestic cup success , but Wenger's history suggests that this is unlikely, he's like the French Army when it comes to defending anything. Tanks ? What tanks ?? Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!

  37. Stop being delusional

    May 22, 2014, 14:46 #51865

    Ron - No idea what you live in but Man U are mostly crap with a few good player. Now with a past it dictator Van Gaal their future is bleak. It will be a long time before United get back to top. Man U are huge joke these days. Its funny watching all the top players reject them.

  38. BADARSE

    May 22, 2014, 14:33 #51864

    jjetplane and Ron. I have been enjoying your posts. All light-hearted exchanges, but there is an edge, and you identified it Ron, it's realism all right. It isn't necessarily hand in glove with a couldn't care less attitude though. I am still on a similar wavelength to one I have always been on. I think many are. The newcomers just accept what is 'today' and it becomes real and acceptable. Older heads compare all things, both subconsciously and subconsciously, so too with football. Some things we just slip on like a big coat, the increased house prices, price of bread, new work conditions and that dreaded technological intrusion. The older ones can get hung up on some things, like SKY rewriting the TV football rules. Yet you can breast the waves as they impact. I must be one of those with football, after all I am a speedo-intellectual. I am uncomfortable with much which takes place-in a way I wasn't meant for this world, it does affect me in a serious way. I have a great survival instinct though. Perhaps that is a key ingredient. It does help to see more of the picture, and I do, but it isn't just that, it must be a combination of many factors. A very interesting aspect of how we react to change is being played out right before our eyes, in all we say and do. Darwinism in the making. Those that can, adapt; for better or for worse. Those that cannot just move on or away. I know I shall be staying until the final whistle.

  39. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 22, 2014, 14:32 #51863

    jw, thanks for bringing us all back down to earth, (well some of us anyway) oh and you forgot to mention the Arsenal fan standing behind the newsman getting all excited while showing us a spud (potato) does he always know something before hand that we don't.

  40. Stop being delusional

    May 22, 2014, 14:29 #51862

    Ramsey at Real Madrid? Their midfielders Alonso, Di Maria, Modric are above his level and actual world class players. Watching them destroy Bayern was beautiful. I doubt Ramsey would even make their bench as the likes of Isco, Khedira occupy it. Arsenal fans shouldn't overrate the guy he would never cut at RM. 60M lol when better player like Kroos and Thiago are getting sold for 20m no way in hell will he get such a bid. Ramsey simply isnt all that. Its a bit an insult to RM's world class midfielder who have done it all and are far better players than him. Wach him against top opposito vs Everton, Dortmund, Man U, Man C he was run over. Flat track bully really. If anything RM will go after the future Ballon Dor winner Pogba who is actually cut to play for Real Madrid. Ramsey playing at RM what a joke. Watch more football and watch actuall world class players before acting as if Ramsey is.

  41. Amos

    May 22, 2014, 14:16 #51861

    The reality is that changes in player contract laws introduced in 2005 and enhanced in 2008 have made player mobility more likely. Arsenal's turnover of players isn't really that bad taken in the round. We couldn't do anything to stop Cesc leaving any more than Fergie could prevent Ronaldo going but other than that only RvP (who we would have been looking to replace by now)was a player we would have needed to keep. I guess we would have wanted to keep Nasri too but he wasn't irreplaceable by any means. Other than that for the others that have left, given the freedoms of modern player contracts have done so at a time and on terms that suited us as much or more than the players.

  42. Ron

    May 22, 2014, 14:06 #51860

    jj - Have you noticed how many us now can speak of potential and actual player sales in a nonchalant and funny way? It seems like another lifetime ago doesn't it when the stories of certain player departures created quite deep concern, disappointment and anxiety. Perhaps we ve all been sucked into media mentality of these things more than we care to consider? Its more likely though to be good old plain realism that makes us just go with it and not care anymore who moves away, stays or for how long. Thats me anyway. Its a concern though as the youngster, wide eyed fans never get to have a reliable hero or heroes do they. Its symptomatic of a very cold, sanitized and superficial game for sure. Such a difference from only 7 to 9 years ago.

  43. jjetplane

    May 22, 2014, 13:34 #51859

    RON money would certainly be involved to pay for that nudge-nudge 'hairpiece' (new franchise) as modest money would put Ramsay at 60m perhaps. Further to that I run away with it all and see Ramsay eventually moving to RM to link up with celtic buddy Bale leaving Ronnie to a plane ride to the land of the blue moon where ... Ozil then joins him in that Arsenal are the new Crewe and Wenger having brokered all this then moves to Citeh himself with a lucrative board deal. All this to happen in next 3 years to say nothing of Dennis going to that place where the empty spud bags blow in the deserted streets. That's footer! A strange game where new heroes spring up in the most unlikely places. I give you the Scholes and Keano show. Now that I could watch ... Not sure if Rooney would though.

  44. jeff wright

    May 22, 2014, 13:28 #51858

    Hi Ron, yes I'm not defending the current way in which football exists,and as you say even within this system that now prevails somethings could be done differently. It's noticeable that things have improved (well become more professional rather) such as in the PR department at AFC since the snake oil salesman Ivan the uncredible took office in the CEO role. Examples are stories appearing that Wenger is wanted by Monaco,a club that fired him when he was there, and are prepared to pay him millions more than we can cobble together for his services after a grovelling public apology for dismissing our gallic genius previously. Noticeably though no one at Monaco has actually come out and said they want Wenger back. And of course (yawn) the mythical 100m warchest for Wenger one has also been wheeled out again as in years gone by. The cynical manipulation of the PR malarkey, as with the FAC parade ,this was deemed not worth the bother back in 2003 and 2005, is another aspect of how things have changed.Wenger's attitude toward the League Cup was summed up by his comments after losing to City a few years back when he claimed that even if he won it he would not celebrate because it was not worth winning ! Not worth in monetary terms of course ,rather than sporting ones . Says it all really.

  45. Ron

    May 22, 2014, 13:15 #51857

    JJ - Right with you, though spoken in jest by you (to a degree!). There is clearly a close relationship between City and Arsenal. The Ramsey thing isnt so far fetched either, there would need be some cash though too as Toure is 30 odd.I think Ramsey is the next big sale anyway, its just a question of when, not if. Hes leapt miles ahead of Wilshere now in the race for the exit door marked 'big bucks this way'. Disagree on Man Utd. The powers that be and other well oiled dark forces will see them back towards the top next Season. The whole filthy, money ridden. corrupt PL edifice needs it like oxygen to a drowning man.

  46. jjetplane

    May 22, 2014, 13:00 #51856

    Like it 54996 and could we see Milner coming our way while behind the scenes they fathom out how to swap Ramsay for Ya Ya - mucho financial shenanigans and when Theo is fit he will be joining Citeh too. Stan gets a new hairpiece and goes all Freddie like with a blaze of red. Meanwhile Maureen calls a truce by letting us have Ashley as Chelsea get in an orderly queue for CL places next year as Arsenal (the manky version) become the new Utd .... and in 3 years Wengerman moves upstairs at Citeh. With me so far? ....

  47. Ron

    May 22, 2014, 12:42 #51855

    Hi Jeff - Its TV of course that spawned the wage bonanza, the coaches and players just milking it until the teats are sore. I can only speak for me and my feelings have long been well known on here in that it (and TV too)has ruined a fantastic game and ruined being a supporter. For many, the opposite applies though doesn't it. Perhaps i think too deeply about it? For sure though , apprentices cleaning boots etc was OK by me. Times change as you say.Players who've proved nothing are paid far too much as you say. I reckon all of us know of Wengers transfer bunglings down the years. The Silvester s and the Almunias et al. He has refused to spend meagre amounts on better players. Alonso and Scwharzter always come to mind. I do agree that the Club has hidden behind the veil of cash constraint too as you say. AW has exercised a lot of free will within such obvious constraints as there have been and still do exist no doubt. Frankly the whole game, our Club, all of them, leave a bad taste in my mouth. I'm nearly 'Club neutral' now as i still love the sport and Arsenal are my only real allegiance and hold the closest interest and always will. Its quite good though, quite liberating, being able to look at other teams performances and appreciate them, some less than others though still admittedly! Your scenario of the transfer window (quite funny) isn't hard to predict is it. AW might yet shock you though by 'going for broke' in his final years? We 'll see, but no breath holding now!

  48. Celebrations over now back to BUSINESS

    May 22, 2014, 12:34 #51854

    very smart by the club. win the FA cup to shut the fans up for a year & then immediately sell your Right back to your rival. Dont try to tell me or Kolo, Ade, Clichy, Samir and Bacary that there is not a secret deal between City and Arsenal.

  49. radfordkennedy

    May 22, 2014, 12:29 #51853

    Fellow Gooners..I'm slipping under the radar for a few months,I shall stick my head round the door from time to time to say hello but in the meantime have a great summer and enjoy your holidays wherever you may roam,have fun and blow the froth of a few cold ones..Good Old Arsenal!

  50. jeff wright

    May 22, 2014, 12:11 #51852

    With the massive wages that managers ,such as Wenger, demand these days and those that are also paid to players ,even young ones who have not even kicked a ball in anger , the money that is generated from sponsors and TV companies is a pragmatic necessity of life for football clubs. My problem is with our use of these resources , rather than the source of them.Which down to prevailing circumstances are an evil that cannot be avoided . The days when Peter Hill-Wood could order players to paint the stadium in the summer holidays are sadly long gone. This would have done the likes of big dense Bendy and co a world of good.Anyway back to reality, you look at our 160+m wage bill and then at the strikers that we employ , and the awful cack-handed GK's that we have had to endure for donkeys years , and it just does not add up . The claims that Wenger has been forced by economic circumstances to use these clowns is a nonsense ,he was no more forced to do this than he has been forced to play ' tippy tappy' football,he chose to do so. Poor calls by him rather than being poor financially, are the real reasons why he has struggled and had to resort to taking the FAC seriously again,well at least for now that is... Regarding the Sky transfer comedy show I can picture the scene now with the clock running down on the last day of the transfer - window . It's pouring down with rain in London the Sky TV camera zooms in on a disheveled haggard looking Sky tv stooge, who is standing outside the Emirates microphone in hand, he's been there for a month waiting for something to report . In the back ground a small group of Arsenal supporters are still celebrating winning the FAC, and singing , there is only one Arsene Wenger, one Arse Wenger,altogether now ONE ARSENE WENGER THERE IS ONLY ONE ARSENE WENGER !!!! . The Sky studio anchorman asks ,is there any news yet of Arsenal signing anyone Jim? Jim nods ,fingers in ears to cut out the Wenger chants , aye we have just heard that an announcement is to be made shortly, and it looks like Arsene Wenger has signed Antoine Lipgloss a French under 17 International midfield player from Nancy . This instigates a quick exchange of views on the player back in the studio,no one has ever heard of Antoine so there is not much that they can say other that , he is a typical Wenger signing . Wenger later reveals that Antoine ( who he has signed on a free-transfer ) will not be able to play for a few months until he recovers from spraining his ankle, an injury that he suffered on the dance floor when on holiday with his porn-star girl-friend . Wenger predicts though that Antione will amaze supporters with his skills and warns that, we are lucky to have him join us in what has been a tough transfer window in which it proved difficult to sign players,but then I ask myself is there anyone out there who is better than what we have ? Also I take comfort from knowing that Diaby is back , and he will be like signing a new player . There is also Sanago, an exciting prospect ,whom Wenger feels will become the new Anelka . Wenger finishes off by saying, that , this current set of players have showed great speeerit and mental strength last season and that HE doesn't need advice from anyone on what HE is doing . Outside the Emirates the crowd are drifting away into the night some asking ,is it really the beginning of a new era, or just deja vu the past 9 years?

  51. jjetplane

    May 22, 2014, 11:58 #51851

    ... many years from now/dah di da di da ....birthday greetings/bottle of wine. Here Arsene - where's me washboard?

  52. Ron

    May 22, 2014, 11:10 #51850

    Bard - Yes, Very much so. The PL (its inextricable tie with TV) and all that goes with it is peculiar and the TV saturation of it is unique. The European Clubs haven't (by my perception anyway)fallen into TVs thrall as they have here. Many of the Clubs remain very fan oriented and want to remain that way. European govt's and FA s often have an influence too in trying to keep the balance. I do know that people on the continent find the PL and the top English Clubs quite crude and distasteful, yet to a degree its the media's portrayal of them that shapes their views quite a lot I'm sure.I have to say, i largely understand and agree with them and sadly include our Club when i say it. Its how it is though isn't it. Pure football will win through, ive a lot of faith in that.

  53. Bard

    May 22, 2014, 10:13 #51849

    Amos,Badarse,Ron, maybe that's the way it will stay but there are successful clubs out there where the line is a little less muddy, Athletico, Dortmund. Clubs where the fans are at the heart of the club.

  54. BADARSE

    May 22, 2014, 10:07 #51848

    Amos you bring something quite special to these pages, thanks for the clear logic and manner in which you convey your understanding. Ron, you too. Well written comprehension of the situation once more. 24601 an important aspect of condensed TV/DVD footage is to catch the viewer; if you see a bloke with a hook and a line it's a fair guess he's fishing, so too the anglers within society. As Ron often illustrates the persuasive powers of SKY influences continually. Me? I sing the same song but try to explain in parables and analogies, sometimes in jest-but the same overview of the four of us, perhaps all standing in different positions within the situation, giving a similar match report, at least with the fundamentals.

  55. Amos

    May 22, 2014, 9:07 #51847

    @Ron. Good analogy Ron. We're all seeing the same things but just standing in slightly different places. It's good to be able to share what we each see without insisting that we all have to stand in the same place. There'd be nothing to exchange if we did.

  56. Amos

    May 22, 2014, 8:56 #51846

    @Bard. You're right that football is a business but I don't think you can blame Arsenal for that. Once football sold itself as a commercial opportunity and broadcasting revenues and the directly related commercial revenues increasingly begun to dwarf match revenues then broadcasting and commercial sponsors become football's primary customers and fans secondary. Not only that but the number of fans is now measured more importantly not only by those who turn up on matchdays but by the numbers and geographic spread of club 'members' lists and followers on social media who are more important in commercial sponsorship terms. None of that is unique to Arsenal and the reality is that we have no choice but to play the game the same way. To be fair though the club does have a decent attitude and record of community and supporter engagement that isn't always appreciated but sadly we are consumers as much as we are supporters. At the same time many supporters are guilty of acting like consumers too, buying into the ludicrous game-show mentality of Sky's transfer window countdown clock and joining in the declaration of those clubs that can be seen as winners or losers purely on the basis of who has spent what before the season has even kicked off. In the mind of the consumer aspiration is replaced by entitlement. If we're treated as consumers it's because that's how many want to be treated.

  57. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    May 22, 2014, 8:47 #51845

    Thank goodness we have won trophy. That will be beneficial for the team's motivation. What a pity we have to continue to endure this manager, whose shortcomings in preparing the team were evident even within the cup final itself. If only he could have gone out on a high and given us a new start. You wouldn't be human if you didn't feel for him in his obvious relief, but I fear that there is much more pain for us to come. The summer will be a cauldron of inactivity.

  58. Ron

    May 22, 2014, 8:43 #51844

    Amos - 54983. Good stuff mate. Well written. I think looking at our exchanges here, its a truism to say that each and all of us have, to differing extents, a foot permanently on each others side of the fence. Its just a question of which foot for all of us feels the warmest isn't it. Narrow margins and fine lines indeed.

  59. Ron

    May 22, 2014, 8:31 #51843

    Westie - hi mate. On your TV footie comment, with you totally.Cross ref it to my post 54957 to which you've added to very well. Thank you. You've just described the means of another facet of the inexorable and inevitable quest to re establish the wonderful Manchester Utd to their 'rightful' place. Tyler is at the vanguard of it right now, though thankfully i rarely hear him. 10 mins of TV footie does me good now and again though as it re iterates to me every time that not having SKY for the last 3 years is a blessing. TV is a passive medium isn't it and the masses gobble it all up gleefully. If only more people realised that aborting SKY and its like would be a large step to making football genuinely competitive again and more importantly a step to giving a simple game back to its fans. Its happening though.

  60. BADARSE

    May 22, 2014, 8:28 #51842

    Morning Bard. Just say that I agree totally with what you say, then what? I am not being awkward or confrontational, just genuinely enquiring. You see, I think that the world, or society if you like, has lurched in this direction. I think anyone capable of retaining such information from my previous posts would have gleaned that much. Of course many take their eyes off the ball and just see people like me as the enemy and lose focus, concentrating on me being verbose, pseudo-, hectoring etc. I think you are very close to the truth in your observations and assessments-it's the overall picture and other connections which have to be accounted for too. No one area of life, commerce if you like, can exist in isolation. Always go for the bigger picture. Film makers shoot an establishing shot, a wide-angled view to give you the understanding of what is taking place. Then have the different individual actors points of view, to get you into the understanding of what is taking place in the dialogue. So too with AFC, and any developments within the structure of the club and it's personnel.

  61. Amos

    May 22, 2014, 8:21 #51841

    @Ron. The last 10 years could indeed have been interspersed with more trophies. At this level the lines between success and failure are pretty fine. We did reach 3 other finals before last weekends and some semis and mounted a couple of credible though ultimately unsuccessful title tilts. I think history will also provide the view that we might have made more of those opportunities had things happened differently even without doing anything differently in terms of transfer spending. History should also show that while some good players left good players were also attracted to the club. Success and failure are relative of course. If, at our level, not qualifying for the CL can be seen as failure then by definition qualifying for the CL must be a success in which case you can't begrudge those seeing it as such even if it isn't validated with a trophy. The difference in the historical perspective is that it allows distance to be taken from contemporary frustrations and expectations. With that perspective it's usually easier to see that those factors that inhibited our aspirations were largely external and part of an evolving competitive environment outside our immediate control. If history goes on to show that we emerged from that period with our ability to compete on an enduring basis not only intact but enhanced relative to many of our peers then history is bound to look more favourably on the architects of that time than current perspectives might allow.

  62. Westlower

    May 22, 2014, 8:00 #51840

    @CT Gooner, Beware of watching too much old footage of your hero's. Any season condensed into 60 minutes of video highlights distorts the mind from reality. Consequently you will feel short changed when watching live games in their entirety. Most football matches have about 75/85 minutes of mundane action with sides cancelling each other out. You'll remain disenchanted with the current team if you expect them to measure up to TH, DB, IW & RP in their pomp, scoring fabulous goals every 10 seconds of highlight clips, accompanied by a screaming commentator. I find the most irritating aspect of watching live TV games is that commentators are expected to find tenuous links to Man U, as the majority of their audience dote on hearing any mention of the UK's favourite brand. TV commentators certainly earn their wages promoting/brainwashing the audience into loving Monn-Chester Unite-Tedd, extra bonus for them if they mention Becks in connection with his beloved team! I keep threatening to count how many times Martin Tyler mentions the Mancs in a game when they are not involved. Not sure whether it's corrupt/dishonest or simply patronising. Don't you just luv 'em? Me bitter & twisted? Absolutely!!

  63. Bard

    May 22, 2014, 7:53 #51839

    Ron: excellent posts, I am in complete agreement. The club have successfully peddled a lie ie that Arsenal are a top club fighting tooth and nail for trophies, loyal to their fans. First and foremost it's a business and we are punters. If we win something along the way all well and good but the primary objective is to make money. Once you understand that the clubs greed for increasing season ticket prices, it's chaotic and cheap transfer policy and it's pennypinching wage negotiating structure all make sense. I don't blame Wenger for that but he is complicit.

  64. BADARSE

    May 22, 2014, 6:48 #51838

    Morning julesd, common sense again-I think I really like you. I tell people that age is largely meaningless. I still look at life through the same eyes, and still believe I am a dude. Age, and life's experiences, can bring understanding with it, but that isn't a given guys. You have to engage, and stay with it, but that is true of any passage of time. Travelling from 20-30 is the same as the journey from 50-60, just ten years. I have met wise heads on children, and learned from them; disappointingly I have met immature attitudes all too often from many adults. I am not ageist as you can see. Time and it's concepts are manmade, (not woman made), and only have a limited relevance. At the moment I would consider Arsene staying indefinitely. It's a pity that a simple thought-out view of someone results in anger/irritation, but that is understood and accepted; ironic that the sentiments created are in the same genre of that they might accuse Arsene Wenger of, being stubborn, unable to learn, change with the times arrogance etc. Sorry if this post seems too lucid, my little marshmallows, still very sweet, but terribly soft and squishy...I promised myself I wouldn't do that, still I hate to disappoint and people have fixed unchangeable views, don't they? Being serious again, I have watched the Final again right through, and extra time once, and also the winning goal and celebrations after the game half a dozen times. Those men portrayed so much joy, and I sat with a smile no doubt. Last night my wife admitted she'd watched me and noted my punching the air, clenched fist and mutterings, all with complete involvement, unaware that I was being scrutinised, which kind of takes me back to my original point, I still look through those same eyes. Peace to all Gooners, even the grumpy ones. We, like the players and Arsene, really, really earned that triumph, so keep enjoying it. Good old Arsenal, and dear old Willow had his operation last week, let's hope it was successful.

  65. julesd

    May 22, 2014, 5:25 #51837

    LJB - could it be that you are the one who is out of touch, why is a person of 65 too old suddenly, actually he is only 64, 65 in October. The number is irrelevent, that's all it is.

  66. Cyril

    May 22, 2014, 1:50 #51835

    Wenger top man 5 fa cups out of 11. Top top man...

  67. LJB

    May 22, 2014, 1:41 #51834

    IWWT,I assume you are taking the Michael as Wenger is 65 this year and to want him to stay for another 10 years or more is insane.Seriously the man is out of touch with modern football NOW,10 more years of Wenger will lead to a decline on the pitch that could take a decade or more to recover from.Ridiculous idea.

  68. BADARSE

    May 21, 2014, 23:25 #51833

    Good evening my little peanut brittles. Very nutty, quite sweet, but oh so brittle. Been in the Boreham Wood area again today so out of the loop. Many there were throwing themselves off tall buildings as I tried to convert them, ah well, c'est la vie! jeff I have my swimming trunks at the ready but am confused all the same, I never realised that I was a speedo intellectual, but I can swim quite well, though diving is my forte. It gives more freedom of expression to artistic endeavour-a bit like Arsene's football. Time for my cocoa, nightie-night. We are the 2014 FA Cup Winners!

  69. Ron

    May 21, 2014, 21:51 #51832

    Amos - Thats fair comment too Amos. Its a view that i've conceded before that the last 10 years may later be shown to be 'success' that far surpasses what the Club have ever done before. Its a definition of a valid view though, not one that i can ever share as a supporter. I think through managerial error and misjudgment the Club could have had the last 10 years commercially, but also interspersed with a few genuine honours had our Coach's approach hadn't have been so inflexible and stubborn. Its testimony to the lack of concern for the Clubs true fans (and indeed their own players in point of fact to whom they've shown similar disdain - thats why the better ones have left) that they've behaved how they have.

  70. Ron

    May 21, 2014, 21:40 #51831

    Mark - The thing is though Mark there are so many who are of the view that the '4th place Cup' year on year on year IS success that equates to trophy winning success. The sad thing is too that they're in fact quite right by their definition of success as defined by the mores of modern football. Football has deemed what Arsenal do as 'success'. It is commercial success too, not sporting success. The Club have spun it as sporting success and many have bought into it. Others choose not too. Whos right? I dont know, but i know what i prefer. What i believe is that its a great cop out for the Club as a means of avoiding having to try to challenge properly in a football sense and they've maximised that for so long. I never would have thought Arsenal of all Clubs would have done it years ago. They've willingly surrendered everything they once stood for so to be able to worship at the feet of the cash cow and travel on the gravy train. The decision to do so was made when the very idea of that ground shift was just an embryo. We just hadn't figured it then.

  71. allybear

    May 21, 2014, 21:37 #51830

    Dear Arsene i have only a few comments for you,firstly please dont embarrass us again with very heavy defeats for you see some people choose to forget them but i dont! Also dont think you can play the top teams with pretty football for that no longer exists as Barcelona have found out. And finally it must warm your heart to know that you have unfailing loyalty from people who worship you!

  72. Amos

    May 21, 2014, 21:36 #51829

    @Mark. I suspect that it's more likely history will show that what the club has achieved in the operating environment that has prevailed over the last 10 years in a far more favourable light than current frustrations will permit. Much of what may be achieved in the future will have been rooted in that period.

  73. CT Gooner

    May 21, 2014, 20:05 #51828

    I was thinking a little as to why I don't get overly excited about the Gunners anymore. It hit me last night as I watched old footage of Thiery. We just don't have the quality to play the way we used to. Am I plastic because I criticize Wenger for taking us to those heights and expecting him to maintain them? If so, so be it. I thought we'd turned a corner at the end of last season as we cleared the dead weight, then he made an Arse of the summer transfer window. Then came top of the league for Christmas, and well we all knew he wouldn't sign anyone. So here we are now, summer coming, knowing we need 5 new great players to perhaps get us back to playing good football again. And to those who say I'm plastic, I'd say I could just bugger off to Anfield to watch the Old Gunners style, but I'm a Gooner so I have to try to get my club playing that way again.

  74. Amos

    May 21, 2014, 19:43 #51827

    As I say the team has recovered too often when written off by naysayers this season and been too consistent even with the competitive environment tilted against them for the lack of mental strength accusation to stand up. The moneyed clubs have also had poor transfer policies and made some bad decisions but when money is no object they have been able to simply write off their mistakes. Using real money that's much harder to do and mistakes far more inhibiting to us. You see these views as excuses I see them as some explanation. Not that mistakes haven't been made. They always have been, even when we were winning things with more regularity than of late, but mistakes will always be made. But on the other hand the big decisions have been mainly right and have put the club in a stronger position than some of those, with similar resources that have more foolishly chosen to chase rainbows.

  75. Bard

    May 21, 2014, 19:12 #51825

    Amos; a very generous assessment in my opinion. The bare bones of your assessment stand up but it omits the thrashings that were administered not once or twice but three times this season. We were also thrashed by United some while ago. This doesn't indicate a team with mental fortitude more one lacking self belief and inner resolve. I accept we have been outmuscled financially but the argument is compromised by our shocking waste in the transfer market. I think where we probably part company Amos is that to my mind your arguments , valid as some of them are, are used as excuses by the club and some supporters to justify failure and disguise the glaring problems in Wengers tactical nous, poor transfer policies,to name but a few.

  76. Amos

    May 21, 2014, 16:11 #51823

    Where ManU are now (this season aside perhaps) is rooted in where they were then. Where we are now also owes much to what we've had to do in that time to try to match their financial muscle. Seeing what has happened in the game over the last 10 years I don't think there can be any serious argument against the contention that we have indeed been financially out muscled. Given the times, even this season, that the team has shown mental fortitude in recovering from setbacks, starting from the opening game, I don't think mental weakness can be fairly levelled against them and though we only managed 5 points against the other teams making up the top four this season that's only 1 point less than Liverpool managed and 2 less than City. Though the defeats were heavier than we should be comfortable with it's hardly an annual occurrence and not unique to us this season either.

  77. Bard

    May 21, 2014, 15:51 #51822

    Amos and co it explains a lot about the background as it was then but what about now ? Have the club over or underachieved in the last 10 years? Is it too simple to suggest that we have been financially outmuscled ? And does that financial background have any bearing on the teams consistent mental weakness and capacity to get slaughtered by the teams above us.

  78. Mesut Ozil Arsenal Legend in the making

    May 21, 2014, 15:42 #51821

    I am actually worried we won't make top 4 next season. With City, Chelsea, Man U, Liverpool, Everton, Totenham competing for it it will take miracle. If anyone can Arsene can. If we can't well we would have lost our place in top 4 due to money. 5th isn't bad. Europa League is a tournament we can realistically win and the winner gets Cl spot. Unfortunately it will signal the end of our best players Ozil and Aaron Ramsey. If Arsene can get us top 4 it would show what an amazing manager he is.

  79. Amos

    May 21, 2014, 15:20 #51820

    I'm not an accountant but I have a commercial background. Great contributions by the way. Who said we can't have reasoned exchanges here? You're putting some of the previous threads to shame! There's no doubting Fergie's abilities but it took a while and a bit of fortune before he was able to show them. ManU hadn't finished outside the top 4 in any of the previous 5 seasons before Fergie took over at OT but ended in the bottom half of the table in his first season. They were 13th in the season that he won the FAC but took the title in the inaugural PL season. The probability is that he wouldn't have had that much time now but having done so he couldn't have timed his success any better. ManU had been a big commercial brand in football terms even before Sky/PL came along but that gave them the resources they needed to maintain and build their dominance. With all the planning in the world simply being in the right place at the right time can be key.

  80. Mesut Ozil Arsenal Legend in the making.

    May 21, 2014, 15:10 #51819

    Arsene I think you have done an amazing job. I dread the day you leave. I want to thank you for bring us joy by winning a major trophy. Thank you so much for all the work you have done at Arsenal. I believe in you and I also believe whatever you do is best for the club. I am still a bit emotional since we won the cup. It really was amazing watching the lads and yourself get what you deserve.

  81. Ron

    May 21, 2014, 14:45 #51818

    Amos - apologies. Gang of 6. I forgot Liverpool who also bought the PL myth and voted it onwards of course.

  82. Unchives

    May 21, 2014, 14:41 #51817

    Manchester United have been running the club as a debt to the tune of £800 million, that is why the Man Utd supporters trust is up in arms. If we had spent that much, we would have won more premierships. Citeh spent another £90 million to win the premiership worth £20 million & overspent by £150 million over the last Three years. Get Real people.

  83. WENGER OUT

    May 21, 2014, 14:39 #51816

    Good comments Ron and Amos. You're not an accountant by any chance Amos? I'll agree that Man United owe a lot to the way they were set up and run - But just look how they've done without Fergie - On the field management has clearly been an important factor in the success they've enjoyed. Had our manager shown even half of that same drive, ambition and ability to adapt, my name wouldn't be WENGER OUT.

  84. Ron

    May 21, 2014, 14:32 #51815

    Amos - Fair points too. I always maintain that the PL was set up for and to an extent 'by' Man Utd. They were commercially decades in front of everybody else by the time the SKY/SKY B concept hit town as you rightly say, they were consulted greatly and had a great unofficial input into its conception. It was already a Club that had gone down the 'corporate' road which became the blueprint for all of the top Clubs. It was Man U that massaged the egos of the rest of the gang of 5 i.e. Arsenal Everton the spuds and Chelsea without which there would have been no PL nor SKY buying the PL destiny. SKY even wanted to hold a major share in Manure until they were stopped legally from getting it! Those other Clubs bought the vision yet amazingly didn't see Man Utds self interest lurking beneath it and were even daft enough to think they were on a level playing field with Utd! That was the 'great' Dein and Co for you.Therein lies the Man Utd success formula maintained, sustained, manicured and polished by the PL, refs and the movers and shakers behind the PL. Man Utd will be back at the top before other Clubs can blink. The PL and SKY plus all the other TV firms now feeding at the same filthy trough will ensure they get back and players, refs and officialdom will all be aware of the need to achieve that vital objective. Rafa Benitez 's so called 'rant' as he was besmirched with by ALL of the media Plus SKY in particular 5 years back wasn't a rant at all. It was the gospel truth. Fans of all the other Clubs can get ready for years of Utd s dominance soon enough. This last season of Utd mediocrity is tolerable to the PL and the TV as it makes it look as if even the great Utd can fall by the wayside. A season it is though, no more. The day the bottom falls out of the TV fuelled gravy train will be a day to behold. It will happen. SKY are losing customers rapidly and the other Co s haven't boomed since trying to get a slice of SKY s cake.Roll on bust day when the greedy Clubs and players will go grovelling back to the fans they've ignored for so long, if there are any left by then of course.

  85. Amos

    May 21, 2014, 13:47 #51813

    @wenger out. ManU might not have been funded by an oligarch but a combination of an earlier more savvy awareness of the potential for commercial revenue together with Fergie's then long awaited success eventually coinciding with the vastly improved earnings potential of the PL (while our own DD was too busy buffing his personal reputation among the great and the good of football to focus on commercial revenue opportunities) meant that ManU were on another level when it came to revenue generation. Sadly, in order to play catch up we had to spend much of our resources (the stadium cost a reported £400m we borrowed £260m the difference of £140m had to come from somewhere!) to get to a point where our revenue potential might ultimately match theirs.

  86. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 21, 2014, 13:28 #51812

    I suppose it's all down to what way you interpret it Arsene if you say it's not important of course a lot of fans follow your lead. But it really didn't look like it's lost any of it's magic or importance on Saturday and Sunday did it? to fans, players, and even yourself i wonder why that was? But to a lot of fans it will always have it's magic and i suspect to a hell of a lot more now. Yes to a lot of fans it is to little to late one pot doesn't make up for the last nine years and all that went with it so hopefully you can do just that in your remaining two or three seasons. And that's the problem you have now a lot of fans both Arsenal and Arsene are going to want more if not the prem certainly the FA Cup so what are you going to do when it comes round again? go all out to defend it? prioritize treat it as irrelevant? (that wouldn't be a surprise as your job won't be on the line)and risk as holders being dumped out and humiliated again by a first division club? that will go down very well indeed, that's a dilemma your going to have especially if you treat the summer like you have all the other transfer windows and don't strengthen properly. So it's over to you Arsene as much as we all enjoyed our first trophy after nine long years you have a lot of work to do before you convince us the good times have returned and it's not another false dawn or your three years might not last that long.

  87. WENGER OUT

    May 21, 2014, 12:55 #51811

    Dear Arsene, When you arrived we had won the same number of titles as Manchester United. They were not funded by an oligarch and yet now they have won 7 more titles than us - Please state your reasons as to why we could not compete while they could? I have my own theories, mostly centred around the standard of management, but I'd like to hear yours. I'd also like to know why we reputedly have £100m to spend, yet we have a player upfront who netted 1 goal in 10 games against the top 6 teams and even that was against the 6th placed team at home. Then there's the small matter of not signing any back up for Walcott when you knew he would be out for the rest of the season - I know it's not easy, but then jobs paying £8m a year shouldn't be. The matters I have touched on are just a few of your failings, which seem relevant to this year, I can't really be bothered to trawl back through the last 9 shambolic years, not to mention some of the awful performances before and during the 'invincible' season - Needless to say, you have been afforded an awful lot of patience by the club and it's fans - Your s**t or get off the pot moment came and went in 2008 when the title was frittered away from a strong winning position, you've been on borrowed time since and this FA cup really should be your retirement present.

  88. Ron

    May 21, 2014, 12:03 #51809

    Hi Arsene. Whatever you do, please be sure to ignore the muppetry of the likes of 'in Wenger we trust' as there are so many who aren't so blinkered or as silly as him/her and it ll only make you more arrogant than many think you are anyway. You've 3 years now Sir. Go for it, go for broke and lets make the Club a real challenger again. Even those of us who've criticized you for the last few years have lauded your earlier achievement's and all sensibly only want some thing akin to a repeat level of challenge to the top order. Its over to you Arsene.

  89. In Wenger We Trust

    May 21, 2014, 11:02 #51804

    I got a message to the manager: be our manager for 10 or more years. Don't listen to any of those plastic fans aka anti-Wenger rabble. You're doing a terrific job, despite not having the massive funds like Man City or Chelsea and doing developing young players. Please don't change, as the only people who are criticizing you are plastic fans and brainless people who knows nothing about football. Arsene knows best.

  90. Amos

    May 21, 2014, 10:49 #51802

    An excellent article. While Wenger won't change, he probably shouldn't and may not have to, any reconciliation of conflicting opinions about him is largely dependent on the improving financial landscape for the club and the slowly but steadily changing competitive landscape. 2 or 3 years might be just enough time or it might not but it looks as though we'll probably have the chance to find out.

  91. Fishpie

    May 21, 2014, 9:55 #51800

    Arsene, if I could say one thing to you now, it would be, "GO FOR IT BIGTIME!". In what is likely to be your last 2/3 years with the club, spend the considerable commercial and sponsorship money the club has negotiated fairly and squarely under FFP rules, buy the very best players you can find to balance and complete the squad, get your tactics corrected for the bigger teams and then fight fight fight for the Premiership and Champion League tiles. You have no other choice. Next season will see the greatest battle for honours there has ever been; FFP looks as though it is going to create somewhat of a more even playing field, Mourinho and Pellegrini have had a season to assess their squads and will strengthen, Utd have got themselves a serious heavyweight of a manager who is ambitious and driven, Liverpool are just a good defence away from being a serious force again. 4th place will be harder than ever and the only way forward now is to drive for the top place. Playing for anything less will be a betrayal of your own legacy and a betrayal of the Promised Land all Arsenal fans were promised once we had new commercial deals in place. Go for it Arsene and if you fail, don't let it be said you failed because you didn't do everything within your power to succeed. Use this summer to prepare well for mother of all Premier League seasons. Don't dilly dally, don't hesitate in the transfer market. Your FA Cup victory was fantastic and well deserved but don't allow yourself to believe you are nearly there. Shore up that defence, bring in some power and strength into midfield and add some brilliance to the attack. End your career at Arsenal the way you started.

  92. chinasa onwumele

    May 21, 2014, 9:39 #51799

    though, all you said is true yet we trust in ARSENE for nine good years knowing fully well that as we are in desperate need of trophy, the good thing is that at the back of our mind we know that ARSENE WENGER was more desperate and sleepless than we think. we humbly want you to stay, in ARSENE WE TRUST.

  93. romeo

    May 21, 2014, 8:17 #51795

    You will always be my manager and sign benzima and di maria please