Licence to kill?

Why Fabregas joining Chelsea is NOT the end of the world



Licence to kill?


Twenty-four hours have now passed since the news filtered through that our one-time boy-hero, Catalonian Londoner made good and former captain and prodigal son destined for an inescapable return home has instead joined Chelsea following a most callous dumping from his “family club” that is Barcelona.

Not to mention quotes attributed to our ex-skipper from way back in 2010 requesting that Gooners consider shooting him at dawn if ever he pulls on Chelsea’s colours. Tempting indeed, though I personally wouldn’t encourage anyone to act on it…

Well it has happened, for talk is cheap, and money talks.

Unthinkable? Yes. Sickening? Most definitely.

A disaster? Most definitely not.

Allowing for the initial nausea at seeing Cesc Fabregas donning the infamous blue all over the internet, and allowing for the raw emotion from Arsenal supporters all over social media during this last twenty four hours, let us think this through in a rational, pragmatic manner.

Firstly, on Fabregas himself. Unquestionably, the man gave us his all during seven years of stellar service, 303 appearances with over fifty goals, and even an FA Cup win under his belt. But, and it is a big but, here is a man so desperate to leave the Club when the going got tough back in 2011 that he had allegedly refused to train until his wishes were granted, and, as has been practically confirmed, even paid off a chunk of Barcelona’s transfer fee to acquire him from his very own pocket. All to return to his boyhood club.

Now forgive me if I’m wrong, but am I not much mistaken that, had that boyhood club of his been a Zaragoza or a Celta Vigo, he would not perhaps have been so keen?

And he was a considerable playing success at any rate, even if the management and hierarchy at the Camp Nou never really took to him. Despite the couple of major honours under his belt and a reasonable return in terms of appearances, goals, and assists, it was obvious that he would not hang around for much longer.

Onto Arsenal. I must admit, as one of the first to scream for the Club to take up the first option of bidding for the departing Fabregas, I was wrenched, although not at all surprised, to hear we have instead passed up the opportunity with the coolest of nonchalance.

Putting two and two together, with Arsenal’s refusal to re-sign, and Fabregas surplus to requirements at Barca, he can hardly be absolved of blame in this instance for choosing the club that he thinks will suit him best, although he had made it clear that we were his first choice.

This was clearly a calculated move. Many are angry, understandably, and many are already up in arms at our “lack of transfer activity”, whilst Chelsea have significantly beefed up their armoury with Diego Costa as well as the aforementioned midfield schemer. In fact, one can argue that the Brazil-born Spanish striker was a more necessary target. Nevertheless, it has been TWELVE, yes twelve days since the start of the transfer window. There are seventy-eight days remaining. Pipe down.

For once, we seem to have significant amounts of cash to spend, and for the first time in many years, significant optimism and momentum heading into a season on the back of a relatively successful 2013-14. But significant cash to spend does not mean significant cash to burn: such a luxury can still only be afforded to the Blues of southwest London and Manchester.

It would be easy to attack the board and Arsène Wenger (and I have done so many times) for seemingly allowing Fabregas’ “betrayal”, for “letting him go” so easily.

But it is also easy to forget that it was Fabregas who let go first, and a time we most needed him, a time that is now synonymous with many near misses and ultimate failure to get over the finishing line. He was captain of that side, and he walked.

Now was a time when he seemingly needed us most, and in today’s world, there is no room for emotion. With an up-and-coming creative midfield that is the envy of most club sides in the world, and with pressing priorities elsewhere, namely at full back, striker, and, crucially, in defensive midfield, Fabregas would have been a mere expensive commodity.

We have just won our first trophy in nearly a decade, have a generally very good team that is two or three signings away from being a great one, and from being a strong squad looking to fight for all honours, and we have the money to do it.

Our chances of success next season were never going to be related to what our rivals do or who they sign, but on what we do as a Club in both, the transfer market and medical department, and on what we do as a team on the pitch in rectifying the big game mistakes that cost us the title last time out.

Let us cut out the raw, irrational emotion and not allow the past dictate how we work for the present and future, and instead wait and see how the summer intriguingly unfolds.

Cesc Fabrgeas is the past, the complete opposite of what our Club and its motto stand for.


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  1. Oz

    Jun 18, 2014, 4:10 #53061

    I see some of you are getting very excited...about all the new signings? Geez, what is a contract worth nowadays with all these clauses written into it? It makes a mockery of a man's honour. How can we become excited about top players arriving when deep down the question remains: How long are they going to stay? Arsenal are like a revolving door.

  2. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jun 17, 2014, 21:23 #53056

    Westlower, undead? i'd much prefer it to Retards, as a massive arsene fan/lover called/referred to some on here yesterday, now you really can't get any lower than that, i didn't see you complain or take exception to that, but as i said then, i suppose it depends who it came from and who he was referring to.

  3. Pesho Saulov

    Jun 17, 2014, 17:57 #53051

    @Westflower Name calling is pretty low, I'll give you that. But it just goes to show what years of helplessly watching something that you care about destroy itself can do to a man. I other news, after letting go Fab to Chelsea, Sagna to ManCity and TV5 to ManU, Arsen Wenger is going for the Grand Slam of idiocy by trying to offload a first team player to Liverpool...

  4. Westlower

    Jun 17, 2014, 17:01 #53049

    @Alsace, Your disturbing obsession with Wenger is making a fool of you. To resort to calling your fellow Gooners as 'undead' is about as low as you can go. Get help fella!

  5. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    Jun 17, 2014, 14:13 #53043

    For those of us who despise and reject Arsene Wenger and all his works, I think that a rebranding of the friends of Arsene Wenger is in order. They should be intituled "the undead" and our club should be at least for the next 3 years referred to as "managerless Arsenal"

  6. Mathew

    Jun 17, 2014, 5:25 #53023

    I am just wondering whether if we had brought Fabregas and sent on loan to a Premiership team, maybe, or to another League, which ensures that he wont play against us and will help us in the title race....like Lukaku did for Chelsea last year (i am just saying)

  7. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jun 16, 2014, 23:31 #53018

    jw, good one and of course the flotilla in tow, would be swallowing it hook line and sinker.

  8. jeff wright

    Jun 16, 2014, 13:48 #53010

    MG,the intrepid carry on crew aboard that Amazon riverboat led by skipper Wenger, with Ivan wearing a pirate hat adorned with skull and crossbones doing the steering while clutching in one hand a bag marked PLUNDER would provide fun than a barrel full of monkeys. Wenger has a Napoleonic Admirals hat on his head that was worn at the battle of Trafalgar ,ship's lad Jack points out that the French lost that battle to the English,yes ,says Admiral Wenger ,but it is the taking part that counts!

  9. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jun 16, 2014, 13:14 #53006

    So the old man who lives in a shoe with so much money and doesn't know what to do has been spotted, i'm sure his opinions will go down well somewhere, i wonder how many times he's used the word overall? It must be rubbing off on his favorite grandson Henry in his commentating roll as he's at it too or maybe he thinks it's an important part of the vocabulary to be our next manager.

  10. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jun 16, 2014, 12:43 #53005

    DW, well said, if it would have been you ,myself, or half a dozen others on here that would have used the word retards we'd have been picked up on it very quickly maybe even asked to apologise, i suppose it depends who's using it.

  11. Ron

    Jun 16, 2014, 11:28 #53003

    Westie - Morning to you mate. Yes, Grieszmann was impressive wasnt he and looked very assured too. A style and effectiveness to his play that belied his years.

  12. Oz

    Jun 16, 2014, 11:21 #53001

    DW Thomas, you're quite welcome to invite ME over for dinner as I haven't tasted Yorkshire pud, dumplings nor cream poofs since I was a kid. May not be a toff nor footy ego but I have won two club bowls championships & backed a winner at the Kangaroo steaks :-)

  13. Westlower

    Jun 16, 2014, 11:15 #53000

    @Ron Agree with you about Matuidi but it'll be difficult to extract him from PSG, now that they are one of the financial elite. We probably have a greater chance of getting Scheinderlin, Matuidi's understudy in the French team. Were you impressed with Griezmann? Looking forward to Portugal v Germany.

  14. Croker

    Jun 16, 2014, 11:01 #52998

    Posting a picture of that burnt shirt is not very classy or The Arsenal way. That's the sort of cheap garbage you associate with the muppets down the Lane. Cesc gave Arsenal great service and it's Barcelona that did the dirty on Arsenal, not Cesc.

  15. Ron

    Jun 16, 2014, 10:38 #52997

    Morning guys. For what its worth I thought the french lad Matuidi looked a very useful middle man of the type we could actually use.

  16. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Jun 16, 2014, 8:59 #52994

    geting back to Cesc.....he looked awesome at AFC, fair to middling at Barca. He comes back to England because he's surplus to requirements in Spain. I don't think we are missing out on too much there.

  17. Westlower

    Jun 16, 2014, 8:11 #52993

    All of the following players are bookies favourites to join AFC. In order of shortest price (most likey) to longest price (least likely): Balotelli, Evens; Draxler Evens; Schniederlin 6/4; Milner 2/1; Caulker 3/1; Hulk 4/1. Remy is now odds on to join TH, having previously been 1/5 to join AFC.

  18. Westlower

    Jun 16, 2014, 7:46 #52992

    @JJ, You won't catch me dead in a top hat. Only ever had one runner at Royal Ascot but I avoided the top hat bit, suited & booted + a classy tie is sufficient for me. I was hoping to bump into Ray Parlour at the Greyhound Derby heats at Wimbledon a couple of years ago as we both had a runner but sadly it never happened. @DWT, Agree with you that we should get Griezmann, unfortunately he's in demand and PSG are odds on favourites to get him. AFC & Man U are joint 2nd favourites. Hard to believe Man U released Pogba. Just goes to show that errors of judgement exist at all clubs. @Leggsy, Rest assured, we WILL be making signings. We always do in the summer transfer period but rarely in the January window.

  19. Leggsy

    Jun 16, 2014, 7:32 #52991

    If we passed on Cesc because we are going to spend money on boosting the squad in other areas where we need it more then all well and good. If we do as we have done recently and signed almost no-one then we are in trouble as we only have 21 players in our first team squad right no and that includes Zalalem and Park . History suggests we will not !

  20. jjetplane

    Jun 15, 2014, 22:14 #52987

    Pogba ain't bad neither duh ... Gotta be up too early so will just imagine what Messi might get up to. This world cup is as good as Sussex div 1.

  21. jjetplane

    Jun 15, 2014, 22:01 #52986

    Nice one WESTIE and I am sure all those lovely horses are eau naturale. Westie with a top hat! I would have picked Ray too so we have a basis to kick on. No - you can have Ray. I reckon Perry Groves would be the man for the darker stories. Arsene has been sighted and very unimpressed with Spain so does this leave the door ajar for Tony Pulis? Not a great fan of Benzema though he is doing well with some of the new faces which seems to be happening with the Dutch for RVP. We need a man of magnitude up front. ps Do I not like Pogna - he is a star!

  22. DW Thomas

    Jun 15, 2014, 21:58 #52985

    Good choices for dinner mates Westie. Adams 2nd for me, Chapman 3rd! We should get Griezman and Pogba. Plus, I really like Matuidi. I know, lots of French blokes, but these guys are good. Add Campbell and if he comes good, we might be solid. And that backup keeper! Benzema is good too, but not different enough to Giroud for me. Why isn't Wenger going for any of these guys yet? Ever the ditherer. I think I'll put on my happy hat until the end of July. No one in by then though and it'll be a repeat of those past panic buy summers! Wenger the all-knowing! Man that was hard to type.

  23. Westlower

    Jun 15, 2014, 21:20 #52984

    @JJ If you know of any doped up nags running at Royal Ascot next week, please let me know as I need the money! @DWT If I could choose who to have dinner with it would be Martin Keown & Ray Parlour. Arsene's knows to much for me & he's just not my type.

  24. DW Thomas

    Jun 15, 2014, 20:49 #52983

    Westie. You don't know me,nor I you. Just our comments about Arsenal. Most of us stick to Arsenal issues and avoid politics, moralizing, betting, etc. Quite tired of the elitist attitude on here. You remind me of Wenger. If I asked you who related to Arsenal you'd pick to have dinner with, believe you'd pick Arsene. He'd be last on my list, not because I despise him, but he holds no interest for me anymore. Bergkamp would be my choice. Arsenal is but a small part of my otherwise happy life. And yes misery is a lot of what they provide me lately as I see most things different than how the club isrunnow. I am an idealist, a dreamer. I see how things could realistically be better too. When they aren't pushed in that direction, it bothers me tomy core. I unlike many who claim the high ground have not suggested those radically opposed to my and others views to choose another team. Your lack of understanding such seemingly simple things surprises me. If you'd like all on here to agree with you, why not start your own blog/site? There you can praise Wenger all you want and the drones who don't think can lap it up. Even drones is nicer than morons, non?

  25. jjetplane

    Jun 15, 2014, 20:01 #52982

    Sorry again WESTIE it is you who sounds so miserable now. Fans fighting for change is a thing to behold. If you cannot understand such a simple matter I would stick to chucking money at doped up nags. Sorry, that's what they do at the Emirates too. Right - time to watch Giroud against the Honduran 'henchmen'. Nothing in stone and all that. Remember guys - you simply cannot knock your team or manager. It really isn't the done thing. Especially if he has made so much money for a .... handful of sharks .... All hail The Change - it's coming.

  26. Charlie

    Jun 15, 2014, 19:50 #52981

    It's not just about hugging trophies winning stuff year in year out.It's also about style of play and the way a team conducts itself. Wenger imho is streets ahead of the rest when it comes to these aspects of the game. Manure have won heaps over the past 25 years but their football was just about hoof ball and intimidation,did any body else see Rio Ferdinand say on ITV yesterday how the Barca midfielder Busketes used to wind him up about United's long ball game during the champions league finals and watch Titi cracking up next to him and Shearer, it's on Youtube.

  27. Westlower

    Jun 15, 2014, 19:46 #52980

    @DW Thomas, Stop torturing yourself following a club managed by a man you despise. Get yourself a seat at the Bridge and all your dreams will come true. You can watch your favourite player every other week, worship Maureen & wallow in the Putins puppets billions. Bound to win a major trophy again, otherwise Maureen will be sacked again! Watch them thrash their poor relations from the Grove, chant obscenities at Wenger (forget that as you do already). You can start a campaign to sign Ramsey to ensure your new found loves will win the PL again. There's no down side really, why put up with all this Arsenal misery? You know it makes sense!

  28. DW Thomas

    Jun 15, 2014, 19:18 #52979

    Using the word retards is quite harsh for people who simply disagree with you Charlie. Your earlier comment about Wenger knowing when to sell players stinks of ignorance, a nicer word, non (?), and totally wrong. Sold RVP who next won the league. Same with Nasri and Clichy. Fabregas left of his own choice, so can't really blame Wenger, except he was our captain and best player at the time. Blockheads was another word you used for the WOBs. As I was somewhat on the fence till recently about Wenger, I understand the continued support of him, really do. I know, for myself, find it somewhat delusional to,be honest. If you or anyone can prove why he has done as far as winning goes these past 10 years, let me know. Cold, hard facts man. Remember even he said that players coming in want CL, not just league or FA cups. Beating Hull was a trophy, then again it was Hull. And even that took some Ramsey magic. And for the record I was hounding to get our best player back, not push him away. And make no mistake he will be a winner once again at Chelsea. If Wenger is so great, why doesn't he win things? And not 10 years ago!

  29. Charlie

    Jun 15, 2014, 19:14 #52978

    You can be sure whoever Arsene decides to purchase or not,the anti Arsenal morons will make life tough for him.

  30. jjetplane

    Jun 15, 2014, 18:54 #52977

    Cheers MACGUIRE Reckon he will not leave his riverboat until he has unearthed some Amazonian diamond who having shown him a couple of DVDs on the laptop he unveils him in the CL next season. He is a success and two years on Grandad (the tall old man of the river) sells him to top European club for 50e - Stan buys Arsene condo on the everglades and a cruiser for the rivers of the mind. Meanwhile, it now costs 300 pound flat to watch 'any event' at the Emirates. Now it what sense I am undermining the manager I would to Know. Jim Dale - loving it Mc!

  31. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jun 15, 2014, 18:20 #52976

    LJB, good post, and yes a young dynamic manager if only, and there will be plenty of them on show at the WC that fit that description, instead of entrusting this old has been to unearth them in players.

  32. Westlower

    Jun 15, 2014, 17:50 #52975

    I don't share the obsession of those who blame Wenger for every woe in their football world. The man has strengths & weaknesses and while some fans get bored through familiarity, others welcome the continuity. AW was targeted with making an average annual profit of £15-20m in the early years of the Emirates repayment. He achieved this by partly selling players. Not ideal from the fans perspective but it enabled the AFC ship to stay afloat. We have weathered the financial storm but still crucially lag behind others. This financial inferiority won't change with the appointment of a new manager, on the contrary our situation will possibly worsen in the short term when the new man takes the reins. Have our neighbours improved significantly by constantly changing their manager? Only one thing is certain, AW is our manager for the upcoming season, so it's self defeating to undermine him.

  33. DW Thomas

    Jun 15, 2014, 17:43 #52974

    Only bringing this up because of a new Fab quote. He says Wenger told him he couldn't easily fit him in the team with Ozil. Bunch of BS! Where did he go next? Chelsea who already had Hazard and Oscar? Wow, they really do take us for dummies don't they. This manager's ego knows no bounds!

  34. A Cornish Gooner

    Jun 15, 2014, 17:12 #52973

    @Westlower. I agree with some of what you say, but I'm afraid it sounds a bit like something Ivan Gazidis might have said yesterday or at the same time last year. You say 'generally speaking Arsenal dictate when a players time is up' This is hardly a ringing endorsement for Arsenal's transfer dealings. Then you say 'Since the move from Highbury, high value players have been sold on or left of their own accord frustrated with the clubs financial limitations. Those days are largely behind us' What days? The days of having high value players? Or the days of financial limitations? This sounds a bit like Asser's 'For once, we seem to have significant amounts of cash to spend' How do you know this? If you can understand the reasons why people 'crave' change why do you consider it to be 'change for change sake'

  35. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jun 15, 2014, 16:55 #52972

    jj,56037, jw, we're back to the Carry on movies again it's impossible to stay away where OGL's concerned you've described a scene perfectly from Carry on again Doctor, i think it is anyway (it's hard to tell as there's that many carry on's that could be associated with this manager)although he could play Sid James roll in this one again, as Doctor Screwer as he loves Screwing the club for another contract and then as he's always been doing, the fans. But this time i'll give him the roll of Doctor Nookie played by Jim Dale that as you mentioned has him beating his way through some heavy undergrowth god knows where, in a country nobody's ever heard of,in a tropical storm plastic in hand or more appropriate boxes of duty free fags looking for some medical out post in this case a training camp where he's going to unearth the new Henry, but as we know it won't happen, instead he'll unearth some potion that makes women grow beards (very appropriate for some of our players) maybe he could find a potion that makes him grow balls and sign proper world class players.

  36. DW Thomas

    Jun 15, 2014, 16:42 #52971

    Enlightenment continues this week for me. Westlower you talk exactly as if it is Wenger, not the club, that you love. Change can be scary, but exhilarating as well! Comparing Wenger to Chapman takes the cake! Completely disagree with your financial argument, and you even referenced Athletico! Now it's cake and eat it too time! And Wenger's best developed young players tend to leave eventually, don't they? Hey, I get the way the club is run valuing profits over winning. I just don't have to like it or suck on that corporate breast like many on here and in the club! I like money too, just many other things way more!!!

  37. Westlower

    Jun 15, 2014, 16:31 #52970

    @JJ I don't crave change but I can understand that others do. There is enormous media pressure for constant change in football to generate excitement & new stories. Fans get bombarded with this daily mantra. I stated yesterday that I would only change the manager/coach if the team stops responding to the managers philosophy/style of play. I cannot detect any such revolt among the players. They'll always be player turnover for a variety of reasons but generally speaking Arsenal dictate when a players time is up. Since the move from Highbury, high value players have been sold on or left of their own accord frustrated with the clubs financial limitations. Those days are largely behind us, but you'll always get the likes of Sagna leaving at the end of their contract to double their wages before retirement. In Bacary's position I would do the same, doubtless you would to. The only other manager I would have entrusted to oversee the stadium move would be Herbert Chapman but even he would have done well to match Wenger's achievement post Highbury. Being realistic, Chelsea & Man City have become the new kings on the block. Their financial power is beyond us, whether we like it or not. They will always get the pick of the players in the transfer window. AFC have to be smart by bringing on younger talent (nobody does it better than AW) as the big two will always buy the finished article. I doubt a new manager would have achieved more that Wenger did last season. Change for change sake is pointless & you risk alienating the players loyal to AW. They'll certainly be some radical changes when Wenger walks & hopefully we'll handle it better than Man U have. Until that day let's get in a few key signings and take them on again, we may have an Atletico Madrid season ahead of us.

  38. DW Thomas

    Jun 15, 2014, 16:19 #52969

    Beginning to agree with those on here that claim Wenger is a charlatan. He inherited Bergkamp, who other than Zidane was perhaps the best player in his generation, albeit with some issues like the flying thing. He rubbed off on Henry and Pires, as Adams did on others. Wenger should have won even more with that group for sure. Remember Henry and Pires played with Viera and Zidane for France! With their best ever group. All these current and former players talking about Wenger as a father figure reeks of emotions and sentimentality. Badarse and Westie, you get a little upset when we attack your King, non? Lets see him win a league title or CL again before he does down as on one of the greats. History remembers winners, not whiny losers. As far as Campbell, he is worth a try, but again we need PROVEN quality, not a one hit wonder. He may prove us doubters wrong, but he is UNPROVEN! I have made my peace re Fab, but it will go down as another mistake by our farcical leader I am sure. Time can heal wounds, but 10 years has gone and not much to be said for it. If Wenger was doing great transfers and working OT to build a good team, my comments would be totally different. But rumours of Verm and Santi leaving? Would that be our third captain now? Just when we think this club hits bottom, it proves to us, no we still got a ways to go! I think we can compete much better with the top boys financially than we are led to believe. But the "business model" won't allow it!

  39. jeff wright

    Jun 15, 2014, 16:18 #52968

    BADARSE said ... at 21:49pm 14th Jun 2014 What a great pass by our kid Joel, a goal and an assist, even Townsend says he has been the best player on the pitch. We may have found a striker at the World Cup after all! Arsene knows! - Post No. 56085 Badarse this is not the post of someone who does not watch international football,as you claim not to do. I said that you were an elitist ,not a racist, you have of course typically reached for the race card having again been found out to be posting porkies on here. You really are a bit of silly old insufferable bore with an obvious Arsene Wenger obsession. Arsene knows , right let's all leave it at that then, there is nothing to discuss everything is going great . You can then post hours of unintelligible drivel that a team of code-breakers would struggle to decipher .

  40. jjetplane

    Jun 15, 2014, 16:16 #52967

    WESTIE he is not the manager, he's the accountant. Telegraph - don't make me laugh.

  41. A Cornish Gooner

    Jun 15, 2014, 16:15 #52966

    GOODARSE/BADARSE I am not a racist but, do you think that not only have you made more enemies than most, but you have also lost more friends than most. Just a thought. Juror 3 & 10 performance in the last 24 hours!

  42. BADARSE

    Jun 15, 2014, 15:10 #52965

    Thank you for introducing me to a weird sense of reality jeff wright. The day I felt compelled to protest my innocence to you would be the day I walked away. Continue to let me know how I feel about anything you like. You know I have dealt with racists on and off all my life and they fit a certain remit. Those who protest too much, those who begin a sentence with, 'I am not a racist but...', and those who feel a blighted sense of their own national circumstances, thereby practising a form of very odd reverse racism. Do you read the Daily Mail by any chance? Just wondered. As for what you will and won't buy, it's a good job I never have to send you to the shops.

  43. Oz

    Jun 15, 2014, 14:47 #52964

    His head was bent in sorrow, green scales fell like rain, Puff no longer went to play along the cherry lane. Without his life long friend Puff could not be brave. So puff that mighty dragon slipped back into his cave...ohhhh

  44. jeff wright

    Jun 15, 2014, 14:29 #52963

    Badarse, I'm not buying this you don't watch international football nonsense,you were soon on here raving about JC's goal last night . You have made a clumsy attempt to try and cover the anomaly in your post by claiming you saw the game accidentally ! You are not fooling anyone with that nonsense and you have an history for talking up foreign players while slating or ignoring British and Irish ones who do not fit into your Arsene knows best elitist views on football. Save the protests because I have heard them before from you.

  45. BADARSE

    Jun 15, 2014, 14:15 #52961

    jjetplane, think you might be a little less than honest. You love being silly with your posts,(are you trying to be silly?), but if the person being silly isn't in your camp it becomes a problem, a transparent one. Me and Ozzie are playing blow football on the previous article, but he stood on the ball when it rolled off the table. We then played with grapes and it's true they roll in a circle but it was OK, then we both ate them all. Can we have some of your sour ones please? Wanna game? If you bring the grapes we can make up and us three can play together. Have you got lots of puff? Sorry, wrong question. Please come and play.

  46. BADARSE

    Jun 15, 2014, 13:52 #52960

    No jeff I was answering your odd statement laced with a suggested prejudice. I think that statement overrode any other part of the post. Firstly I am totally disinterested in international football, and have said this a few times in posts. I did not see the Ox's performance, or read about it because I do not read newspapers, learned of it at the same time I heard he was injured, that superseded his performance for me-he has arrived, I know how good he is. A few days after Giroud scored a couple of goals for France I was told. It pleased me. Learning of Ox or anyone else connected to AFC performing well equally pleases me. See? Equally! Joel is a different case. And I didn't run up the wall with delight no matter what a few words on a post conveys. The imagery of that is an individual interpretation. I was present, working as the game took place, occasionally taking in a moment or two of the play. That was my situation. Woy? I teach my grandchildren to be more adult about speech defects.

  47. jjetplane

    Jun 15, 2014, 13:52 #52959

    BADARSE hate to spoil the one man party but a long post from your dear self is usually framed in a tone of loose morality/hippy humility and as someone who plays at being a proof reader amongst other things I get the gist in 5 flat seconds. Glad to you have lots of stories I also have many but this is hardly the place for them particularly when they run to morality tales. I can always dig into the Greeks and Romans for a dose of that. Only thing happening on here is some people wish wholeheartedly for major changes at their club and are bored with the 'careful what you wish for' (so dull, so conservative) narrative and then there are posters like yourself and WESTIe who are in my book 'top blokies' who wish for not so sure on this one. Wonder whether you both two crave change but do not want to be considered inconsistent. Let it go/let him go. There you go mate - all gooners together. ps The Ox is now in a position which is amazing in that he has banked so much the myth is taking on staggering levels. I am truly happy for him as he and Ramsey are the heart presently of a thing of beauty. Looking at the football on offer in this world cup big changes are happening in the game and all some of us want to see is Arsenal take a driving seat. Not impossible and with the right coaching staff (do hope it's all being set up for a year's time) we can join the party as regular goers. Do you not want that. Looking for to watch the Swiss kids today and oh for Lallana and Barkley at Arsenal .....

  48. jeff wright

    Jun 15, 2014, 13:27 #52958

    Baddie, I did not see you raving about the Ox's stunnning show in Miami for England as you did over JC 's one for a foreign side The excitement you felt over JC scoring leaped from the screen .I have no doubt though that you were concerned about AOC getting injured playing for England ,but that was not my point. However , as you have never bothered before sticking to replying to points made , then I suppose there is no reason now for you to go changing the habits of a lifetime .

  49. BADARSE

    Jun 15, 2014, 13:14 #52956

    Have to find some common ground between us jjetplane, for mine, not your sake. Try this and see if it fits, I think I would pay to watch Pirlo even if he was kicking a beachball about on your beach. Does it do it? 24601 I used the power invested in me to welcome Athoz to the three musketeers. As you read I couldn't bestow Aramis on you. I have some dart stories you might like to hear of. I had been to a footie meeting in the evening, (player-manager/skipper, of my company's side), and wandered into the social club bar and got caught up with a group and drank too much on an empty stomach. One of my players, a really nice lad came in and almost fell on me. He was so pleased to see me. Turned out the company had a darts match that evening in the big hall next door, and were a man short. I naturally agreed to help him out. It was 1980 and clogs were in vogue. I staggered after him, stood around watching the games come and go. Periodically I had a good laugh at this crazy dilemma of being tipsy and a ringer for the darts team. We led 4-3 when I was shaken from my drunken reverie as the bitter had taken hold now. It was a 'Doubles' game and we needed to win it to carry the night. I threw average darts but contrived to fall off my clogs a few times. Each time I did so I had a fit of the giggles. The other pair were as irritated as hell. Suddenly we got to 'Double Top' for the game and the match, I have no idea how we managed that. My buddy came over to me, gave me a pep talk and told me to go out and win the match-it sounded a little like my usual football team talks. I strode confidently to the oche, took a deep breath and promptly fell off my clogs again. I then began laughing and couldn't stop, I am laughing now just remembering it. I was crying with laughter, and collapsed to my knees-I was behaving like I was in a Norman Wisdom routine. I stood at the oche again and had to keep wiping the tears away from my eyes in order to see the board. I made a few funny throat-clearing noises, 'whoooaaing' myself into a sober mood, all the while little chuckles bubbled up and out of me. Finally I lined up, and you've guessed it, my first dart sailed into Double Top! I punched the air with a victory shout, and once more fell off my clogs. My buddy and the team engulfed me. Hero of the night! I think understandably, that the other team wanted to lynch me. I have other stories but this one is enough for now.

  50. jeff wright

    Jun 15, 2014, 13:14 #52955

    Westie, I was just pointing out that our players move elsewhere to win the trophies that they can't win with Wenger.That is a fact. 20+ players have won 50+ trophies after Wenger sold them . I know that these facts are not what you want to read but you should be asking why ARE players like RVP being sold and donkeys brought to replace them.Then again I suspect that you already know the answer to that question.C'est la vie ! I've put my pennies though on Messi and co to lift the cup ,I've seen nothing so far to make me regret that. The Dutch always flatter to deceive and history is against them winning the tournament in South America . I laughed though watching the tippy taka senors getting their little arses kicked by the dutchies - it's been long overdo .Cheers.

  51. Ozzie

    Jun 15, 2014, 13:12 #52954

    Along the coast you'll hear them boast, about a light they say that shines so clear. So raise your glass, we'll drink a toast to the little man who sells you thrills along the pier. He'll take you up, he'll bring you down, he'll plant your feet back firmly on the ground. He flies so high, he swoops so low, he knows exactly which way he's gonna go...England weren't bad, were they? Certainly deserved something from the game. Do hope the boss can keep this group together - except Looney - if ever there was an opportunity to set an example to the youngsters that was it. Am I wrong in thinking Jack is a tad over rated??

  52. jjetplane

    Jun 15, 2014, 12:45 #52952

    WESTIE that is just so blinkered ..... Seems to me it's you and your mate (and Grandad of course) who need cheering up. Have mud will get stuck and all that. Ahh Gervinho and why Wenger knows little about that good old game we know and love. Onward the real Arsenal and why on earth would Carzola want to go back to Spain ... ps I no longer recognise Grandad as the Arsenal manager. And your problem is exactly?

  53. BADARSE

    Jun 15, 2014, 12:39 #52951

    Thank you for the optimism Tin Man. I did like a nice full-bodied red, or a nice bitter, once upon a time. jjetplane and I both kicked the habit a while back. I took a run up to do it. jjetplane missed it first kick, fell on his bum, blamed it on Arsene Wenger, then went fishing and caught a cold. Wow, jeff wright-what's with the 'not bothered about Ox as he isn't foreign'. Dangerous words buddy. When he tweaked his knee I was the only one to post a comment of concern, think I am still alone in my concerns for the lad, or am I? Once more, I have no acrimony towards any of the Hole in the Head posse...'Go for your guns!'

  54. Westlower

    Jun 15, 2014, 12:34 #52950

    Joel Campbell failed to get a work permit when signed on a 5 year deal in August 2011. He was granted one in July last year and was promptly loaned out to Olympiacos on a one year loan. Should Cazorla decide to leave Campbell would provide a more direct threat in our attack and provide Ozil with a moving target for his passes. Impressive crosses from Aurier for the Ivorians goals & it's not hard to see why he has been under consideration. Good to see the much maligned (by a certain section of Gooners) Gervinho score the winning goal. @Jeff, You pointed out how successful ex-AFC players have been elsewhere but you choose to overlook how many good players have been developed by Wenger over the years. @JJ When did continually ridiculing the manager of AFC make you a proper Gooner? More like the enemy within in my book.

  55. A Cornish Gooner

    Jun 15, 2014, 12:14 #52948

    Wasn't suggesting it took the contents of a bottle to get you elated BADARSE. I was suggesting it took the contents of two bottles.

  56. jjetplane

    Jun 15, 2014, 12:12 #52947

    Just playing catch-up and what do we see - world cup heroes everywhere. Step forward Gervinho - another one who escaped the clutches of Grandaddy and look at that goal. Watched Campbell and have fallen for the guy. Looked brilliant against 'old school fascists' but IF he gets to the Hollowdrone let's hope we have a manager with football, not economic energy to bring him on. Arsenal - what do I know. A lot more than Grandad/Grandad/... that's what we all think of you .... Bet the king of Highbury loves Balo ... JEFF in sync with yer mate - proper gooners we are!

  57. jjetplane

    Jun 15, 2014, 11:44 #52946

    BADARSE Not had a drink or a smoke for a decade, coinciding with the horrible decline of this great club that presently gets the support it deserves. Never wanted CF back, JW is officially ****e so he will be staying to suck teat with Arteta. Want to talk about a proven world class striker look no further than Balo last night. Immense controlled performance and won the game too. That is the kind of player we should be breaking the bank to sign and why we (that's us - proper Arsenal) never went for Lallana and Barkley with big bucks - well we know the story. If you are happy 'on your little mound' good for you but as RON says - you take it all like some personal attack. It's just a forum and there are many ways to get your kicks in Cyber time. What shows to me is the transparency (lack of confidence in the powers that be) that you and WeSTIE carry as a hidden narrative in everyone of your posts. It seems not only do you like Wenger - you also want to behave like him. Have a nice sunday and Rooney had better be on the bench next thursday. Now about my little team - we have a new assistant manager and he happens to be the best player 'in these surrounding beach roads'. Balo - what a man. Pirlo - what a player. More to life than exhausting dreams me old mucka!

  58. exiled&dangerous

    Jun 15, 2014, 11:08 #52945

    I have a friend who lives in Costa Rica, she runs a hotel. Apparently their President decreed that everybody should be given time off work to watch the game - so everyone headed to the lounge and watched with the guests. Can you imagine the scenes watching that game last night? So much for being the "whipping boys" of Group D.

  59. Yanto

    Jun 15, 2014, 11:06 #52944

    There is only one person to balme for this fiasco and that is Wenger. There are now rumours (which are gaining strength each day) that Santi Carzol wants away from Arsenal. Even before this became public, Wenger should have considered selling one of the other mid-field players and bringing in Fabregas - because Fabregas is twice the player Carzola is. Now we may lose Carzola - and have to endure Fabregas wearing the chavs blue shirt - Seeing that picture alone made me want to throw up. This is yet another failing that can only be put at Wenger's door. WENGER OUT!

  60. jeff wright

    Jun 15, 2014, 11:01 #52943

    Yeah I noticed how clever Wenger is at getting rid of players when he sold RVP to United ,brilliant that. It's a fact Charlie, that the 20+ players that Wenger has sold over the past 9 years have won 50+ trophies between them - and the ones who stayed just one the FAC. If this was a boxing match the ref would stop iit to save you from further punishment. Wenger didn't buy Fabregas because of the wages he wanted and anyway he he bought Ozil, just as well then that he has been a rip-roaring success! You really couldn't make it up. Is it comic relief day today ?

  61. Charlie

    Jun 15, 2014, 10:33 #52942

    Fabregas probably not really good enough for us at the moment. Chelsea, Man Utd City probably his limit to be honest. Can't see him liking playing Chelsea's style of football though, I trust Wenger on this one he knows when to get rid of a player and he knows when not to buy one. I wish the WOB blockheads had half his sense when they come out with their ridiculous statements.

  62. jeff wright

    Jun 15, 2014, 10:14 #52940

    Uruguay were poor and I think that England will beat them. Costa Rica were not that great either - regarding Campbell calm down now Baddie you really are a very excitable fellow , a warning , if history tells us anything then it is that you can't judge a player on what they do in these tournaments, even on 5 minutes of action. Especially if they are strikers. I thought Hodgson messed up with a striker last night by playing Rooney out wide,you either play him in the second striker role or not at all. There is a touch of the old Wengerisims about Woy with his unbalanced looking sides , square pegs and all that , even so I expect them to see off the other two remaining sides in their group who look like Championship class ones compared to Italy . Has Balotelli calmed down a bit he looked normal last night ! Getting the Ox back would be a plus for England, Baddie is not bothered about him though because he's not foreign !

  63. Mike

    Jun 15, 2014, 10:03 #52939

    Apparetly Campbell has work permit problems which is why he is out on loan at the moment. If this is true sort it out as soon as possible. This guy stole the show last night. He also impressed when he played in the Champions League

  64. Mathew

    Jun 15, 2014, 8:39 #52938

    Joel Campbell's goal (in front of Arsene Wenger) was brilliant, we should send Sanogo on loan and bring Campbell back to our striking options. Has anyone noticed that Serge Aurier's price has just went up, two great crosses for Ivory Coast. Surely someone is going to snap him up and we will rue over our misses next year same time.

  65. BADARSE

    Jun 15, 2014, 6:25 #52936

    DWT, yes on occasions five minutes is enough to tell you if a player has it or not. Whether he progresses, develops, acclimatises and grows beyond into something really worthwhile, is quite another thing. To be lifted by an Arsenal player's performance, especially when you are watching under duress, (my grandson wanted to watch and be involved in the WC-not me), is a normal reaction for me. I am not permanently in a brown fug. As for you jjetplane I think you should ease up on the smoking, it has encouraged a snap-judgement approach to anything which you may find a little alien in concept. Clutching at straws indeed? Why? I am not drowning, I am buoyantly afloat, you lot are sinking beneath your own tears of misery, woe and abject whimpering. Nauseating? Well for a self-confessed anti-AFC person you have quite a few stones to hurl at others. You never go to AFC, not interested in them, watch lower league footie as a preference and as an adherence. Dislike most AFC players, the manager, the stadium (which you have never been to), and the club's set up and policy. Wow! I have used your name as an introduction to this post but the content fits an awful lot of others who post their anti-stance-with the emphasis on awful! Fabregas not Campbell? Get real. We cannot just buy Fabregas, and didn't need him, why compare one with the other, there is no link, case closed. Campbell is an AFC player who surely we all hope might step up and become a good player. He showed great promise last night. How you process the information your brain takes in, and that applies to all of the AFC critics, is OK by me, just don't expect me and others like me to shuffle down that dark alley with you. Tinman, am tea total, further proof that alcohol is a depressant-and to be elated doesn't require a bottle's contents, ha ha. Still smiling. Good old Arsenal.

  66. Pirlo

    Jun 15, 2014, 4:07 #52934

    Yeah Wilshere will go to our rivals lol he will be lucky to play for a relegation. The hype around him even though he is a nothing is hilarious

  67. LJB

    Jun 15, 2014, 1:12 #52933

    Ha ha Wenger getting credit for Campbell who may/may not end up being quality. Yeah Wenger thought THAT much of him that he still sent him out on loan last season despite him obtaining his Work Permit last July. OGL has not even had ONE training session with the lad;the person who should be getting credit for Campbells improvement the past year is the Olympiacos manager. Still no need for Mr Burns to buy a new striker now. All I will say about Cesc is that it will be bloody hilarious if the reports of Santi wanting to go to Atletico Madrid are not just idle gossip. There must be something seriously rotten in the state of Arsenal as, despite all the selfies and tweets, players can't wait to get the hell out of dodge. I am positive that a younger more dynamic manager would help our player recruitment/retention. After all who wants to be managed by Grandpa .

  68. jjetplane

    Jun 15, 2014, 0:05 #52932

    Well put DW. The straw clutching is like listening to some clapped out political party - nauseating though must watch the highlights has I only got to see the a bit at the start. Well done Costa Rica and Campbell looked great though what has to do with Wenger I don't know. Anyway - what's wrong with the postman. What a goal from England and love that Amazonian sunset and before I get onto Herzog and the use of opera as an instrument of oppression ....you what .... nuffink.

  69. Don't Piss On Me & Say It's Raining!

    Jun 15, 2014, 0:02 #52931

    Great performance from Joel Campbell, let's get him over and give him a try, but wow you AKB's are seriously clutching at straws!!! Get well soon Gary Lewin!

  70. DW Thomas

    Jun 14, 2014, 23:33 #52930

    Thought I loved the WC! Monsieur Badarse, you seem to be able to judge a players worth in five minutes. Was it the same with Henry in 98? Didn't think so. Know you like to laugh more than talk turkey, but this club is in serious stagnation or more possibly decline behind our old rivals. We need serious proven quality players, that most or all with any football knowledge agree on that quality. JoelbCampbell? Probably the next Aladiere. Not the next Fabregas! But keep hoping for pigs to fly brother! Or is it blood from that stone?

  71. A Cornish Gooner

    Jun 14, 2014, 22:46 #52929

    'Feeling very happy, quite amazingly so. Good old Arsenal. Red and white dreams' So that's Claret AND Pinot Grigio tonight BADARSE

  72. BADARSE

    Jun 14, 2014, 22:35 #52928

    Joel got a taste of what to expect in the Prem, his legs hacked from under him! 24601, did you notice how he was super-confident and bossing things? OK he had a good game but those little aspects of being confident enough to have a pop at goal, go for a difficult pass, gesticulate to his teammates, holding the ball, long range shooting, running with the ball, playing off a defenders shins for a corner, I saw enough in that five minute cameo to be quite sure of him. You know what they say? BADARSE knows. ha ha. Spend £70 million on a playing position we don't need? Thank goodness Arsene Wenger is holding onto the reins. Feeling very happy, quite amazingly so. Good old Arsenal. Red and white dreams 24601.

  73. Costa Not a Penny

    Jun 14, 2014, 22:32 #52927

    Joel is the answer-Fabre Cash lost me when he went for that bird he's with. He's ended up at Chelsea because of her.I thought he looked like 'the ghost who walks' last night and it'll only get worse..John Terry will see to that. Get Joel in the 1st 11 and while we're at it Mad Mario..after all it's box office everyone seems to want these days..gotta be seen rubbing shoulders?

  74. Joel Campbell.

    Jun 14, 2014, 22:18 #52925

    I hope their boss is watching. Yes I know Manchester City are great.

  75. Westlower

    Jun 14, 2014, 21:51 #52924

    There's only one Joel Campbell, one Joel Campbell...What a pass for the 3rd goal, shades of Ozil. That Wenger knows a diamond when he sees one. Cavani £55,000,000, you're having a laugh!!!!

  76. BADARSE

    Jun 14, 2014, 21:49 #52923

    What a great pass by our kid Joel, a goal and an assist, even Townsend says he has been the best player on the pitch. We may have found a striker at the World Cup after all! Arsene knows!

  77. underacheiver

    Jun 14, 2014, 21:48 #52922

    And a great assist as well. Get him back to the club ASAP

  78. BADARSE

    Jun 14, 2014, 21:29 #52921

    Wow, that was some long distance strike from our kid Joel. He looks powerfully mobile, gentlemen and julesd, doesn't he?

  79. Martyn

    Jun 14, 2014, 21:20 #52920

    Campbell is the answer. Great goal and really impressive!!

  80. BADARSE

    Jun 14, 2014, 21:18 #52919

    Joel Campbell, nice goal young man!

  81. jjetplane

    Jun 14, 2014, 21:17 #52918

    Ramsey is already gone. The Ox will be taking his first flight this month. Things are looking good for Stan and Wendy. Business as usual and who will notice or care if Santi goes.

  82. jeff wright

    Jun 14, 2014, 19:55 #52917

    jjetplane, Jose knows from experience that Rom expects results so unlike with our monsieur he is under pressure to deliver them. MG,Wenger is not for changing, he will carry on regardless trusting to luck that his opponents will fail. It was easier when he only had one to contend with.He really should have retired gracefully on the back of his FAC triumph. That will soon be forgotten once the action begins again . Right I'm off down the pub to watch England v Italy no idea what the result will be but I'm hoping it will be a win for Jack and AOC at least unlike Pursie they still play for Arsenal . That could soon change though especially in the Ox's case if he has a good world cup !

  83. Shu

    Jun 14, 2014, 19:31 #52916

    Last year Chelsea were much stronger than Arsenal , so with Costa and Fabregas signed how does wenger think he will strengthen us to be better than them ?? Like selling RVP to manure and expecting to then finish above them , they won the league !!!! Vela and remy for us

  84. Don't Piss On Me & Say It's Raining!£

    Jun 14, 2014, 18:48 #52915

    Although probably and hopefully paper talk I have just read that Santi C wants to return to Spain and Athletico. Athletico now have the Costa cash from Chelski. For me Santi isn't consistent enough but I like him a lot. Looks like we have/had room for Cesc after all :-(

  85. jjetplane

    Jun 14, 2014, 18:29 #52914

    JEFF thinking that as the game progressed last night that Maureen may have had a sleepless night wondering about two purchases he has just made but maybe he thinks he can use the guy out of a spaghetti B movie in some quasi-Drogba fashion. CF has a temperament too only its pizzas not spaghetti with him. Swings and roundabouts though as Ramos falls apart and Robben hits a level few players can even dream of as does dear friend RVP who was astounding last night and good for him. Such an electris start to this tournament the Dutch may yet fall away! and Spain could put Brazil out. Oh well that leaves us with a Belgium/Chile finale. Wondering whether CF will be thinking should have gone to OT and where now for Robben? Even the Greeks are giving it some - what is happening to football that Wenger hasn't the least knowledge of. Everything about him tells us he is uncomfortable to the bone with this sea change. Too old and rich to want to adapt. Shame because the Hollowdrone could be an amazing idea born out of the spirit of Holloway and Highbury. Great post PERSHO and CornisH GoonER as always. What's that squealing? Don't know but it's mingling with the horses ......

  86. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jun 14, 2014, 18:12 #52913

    jw, yes tika taka, or tippy tappy or what ever we like to call it is dead and has been for a while, and the funeral was last night buried by pall bears like we used to have at our club, with pace power skill and passion. But you can be sure on the 60th day, it will rise again from the dead and siteth in the mind of OGL haven been risen by the Lord wenger himself arms out stretched towards the heavens standing by the side of the Emirates pitch but instead of wearing a long white robe he'll be wearing a black puffa jacket.

  87. A Cornish Gooner

    Jun 14, 2014, 17:33 #52912

    Asser 'For once, we seem to have significant amounts of cash to spend' What information, that you seem to have gleaned, are these two points based on?

  88. jeff wright

    Jun 14, 2014, 16:54 #52911

    From what I have seen of Costa he looks like a bit of a nutter and tbh a donkey. Will he really be the player to bang in the goals in the Prem for Mourinho? It certainly doesn't look like any certainty that he will do so. Spain look a spent force time and other sides having sussed out the tika - taka have caught up with them.Holland showed us how to play the modern game with a more direct fast paced bang-wham approach , typified by Pursie's headed goal . Old Arsene though , having bought Real's reject the little Turk play-boy, will still be getting our players to pass pass pass ( yawn) and will only change tack out of desperation, like he did in the3 semi against Wigan and the final v Hull . Even then however it was just an old outdated 4-4-2 with slow-coach Giroud and the post-man with no first touch up front.Hardly tactics that will cause alarm bells to be set ringing in the Prem for the top sides - or in Europe either.

  89. Pesho Saulov

    Jun 14, 2014, 16:48 #52910

    It is not the end of the world that Cesc has gone to a direct cometitor, I agree. What is the end of the world though is the sheer quantity of ex-Arsenal players who have gone to the rest of the top EPL teams. Last summer Chelsea refused to give us Demba Ba on loan, the only player we ever got from ManU is Sylvestre. I am all for supporting the manager and team as a whole but it is obvious that there is something deeply wrong in the management of our club. A. Cole, RVP, Ade, Gallas, K Toure, Clichy, Sagna, Cesc... Enough is enough! I have moved on from all of the mentioned players, in my mind I am currently moving on from Kos, Jack and Ramsey as they are sure to head for Manchester or other parts of London. Enjoy this transfer window and the next three years everyone as the painful journey to mediocrity continues.

  90. Bob

    Jun 14, 2014, 16:29 #52909

    I don't give a monkey's that Fabregas wanted to move to Barcelona three years ago. The fact remains he was a class act and one who made a huge impact on the English Premiership. He would hugely strengthen this squad. And while creative midfield is not our weakest area, it was hardly Chelsea's was it? A crazy decision which betrays Wenger's limited ambition for this club.

  91. The Thomas Crown Affair

    Jun 14, 2014, 15:16 #52908

    You don't know what yer singin'/... You're old and you know you are/......

  92. John

    Jun 14, 2014, 15:11 #52907

    Nuttys Right Peg the same Dick Law who broke off negotiations with Mata's people to seal the deal with Joel Campbell who has played precisely zero minutes for us.Hope Wenger is enjoying his months jolly on Brazil.Thats why we pay him £8m

  93. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jun 14, 2014, 14:20 #52906

    GoonerGoal, that reminds me of the old paddy the Irishman paddy the Englishman paddy the Scotsman jokes, paddy the Brazilian and the others just doesn't sound the same, give me the former any day of the week.

  94. DW Thomas

    Jun 14, 2014, 14:19 #52905

    I am now convinced we will win nothing more with Webger in charge. Many on here have said that for years now, but I naively thought, no he'll figure it out one season. Not a chance! Watched the Chile game yesterday, loved their coach's passion. Mexico's manager too, very passionate, but not that bs that comes out of our man's mouth a out mental strength. There are plenty of coaches that could replace Wenger with more energy and new ideas. I actually find our/his lack of ambition astounding. This club with stay in neutral with the status quo. I too will still hope for a win. But my anger stems from my loss of passion for the club instigated by the way things are done here to insure profits over football quality. Sure, fellas, defend your sacred cow, you have every right. To me it's head in the sands. Till he proves me wrong, Wenger will never again have my support. Only the players. Any trust he built from past glories is fully eroded now, surely. Pigeons are flying in their own holes Ron. And he's made enough bad decisions that itI will take a ton of good ones to make up for them. You can disagree on the need for Cesc coming back. No doubt heis quality and could be used, to me not just an excessive addition. And again our poor decisions strengthen our rivals and leave us standing still. Remember what Ozil did for this team last year! But what would Suarez have done? That's just one of many points many tend to forget. Errors. Again and again!

  95. Nutty's Right Peg

    Jun 14, 2014, 14:16 #52904

    How are things ever likely to improve when we have a board more than happy making a profit each year in the hope we might win a piece of silverware every now and then. Great win at Wembley but let's not kid ourselves what would've happened if Man City had beaten Wigan in the quarter finals....even all the AKB's know the truth about that. Fabs was a top drawer player when he left for Barca & still is....so how come we don't "need him" ? It's all a little depressingly familiar watching other clubs doing their business early while Wenger works for some TV company elsewhere. Oh hang on we've got good old Dick Law back in Blighty handling all the negotiations for potential signings.....Have we ever needed David Dein so badly.

  96. AFC not APLC

    Jun 14, 2014, 14:01 #52903

    andy1886 I wish some on here who defend Wenger and the board come what may would read your excellent post.They hide behind the we cant compete with City and Chelsea line.In the last 6 months Chelsea have recouped £100m with the sales of Mata and Luiz plus removing Cole and Lampard from the wage bill.Did they bank it like we did with the £41m we got for Toure and Greedy,£55m we got from Cesc and Nasi and £40m we got for RVP and Song.No they have invested £80m on Matic Cesc and Costa.So they are still £20m in profit on transfers.But the AKB's will tell us we are the only club who balances their books.City have been fined £50m for breaking the fair play rules Sheikh Mansour maybe loaded but he's not stupid he isnt going to burn £50m every summer.We can spend £100m this summer but we wont.Last summer we were told we had £70m to spend we spent £42m.We could have got Suarez if we had offered a realistic price of £55-60m but once again we tried to get a player on the cheap the same happened with Draxler who had a buy out clause in january.The reason we didnt sign Cesc had nothing to do with we didnt need him it was all down to us not wanting to pay £30m.

  97. GoonerGoal!

    Jun 14, 2014, 13:44 #52902

    Hopefully not re-signing Fabregas is the beginning of the end of Wenger. The way at the end of the game the drowning man clutched at the FA Cup straw with such desperation was visible to everyone, but he has no real clue how to continue to stay afloat. So we can expect his usual assortment of cheap youthful inexperience to arrive. An African, a Brazilian, and a Frenchman perhaps. One thing for sure is that anybody we get, even an older more experienced player, will be because the top clubs with a Premier League/Champions League winners mentality don't rate them as good enough. WENGER/GAZIDIS/KROENKE OUT! VIVE LA REVOLUTION!

  98. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jun 14, 2014, 13:29 #52901

    Tom O'B, yes that subject and Gary Lewin has been discussed on here before, was there a reason for his departure rather than just wanting to work with the national team, did he see something in our set up no one else did? could he see what was coming? were the rumors true that he wanted changes and didn't get them? your right the medical side of things certainly hasn't been the same since he left and disintegrated is as good a description as any. I wonder would Chamberlain have been back as quickly if he would have had that injury with us instead of England? We probably wouldn't have seen him for five weeks and then he'd have broken down again. And your also dead right about OGL, when we do get rid and he's sailing off into the sunset with his many millions he'll not be giving a shyte about us especially the luvvies who adore him.

  99. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jun 14, 2014, 12:49 #52899

    DW 56044, excellent shout.

  100. Bard

    Jun 14, 2014, 12:43 #52898

    Andy1886; I think your post nails it perfectly. It debunks the ill thought justifications on here for the clubs inertia and lack of ambition. The perennial problem is the mix up between past and present. Wenger was a very good manager but he's not now and hasn't been for some years. The Cesc furore is a symptom of the discontent not its cause. There have been a lot of posts reflecting a fear of life post Wenger. Why? Chelsea haven't don't too badly with changing managers. The idea that no one but Wenger can succeed at Arsenal is rubbish.

  101. BADARSE

    Jun 14, 2014, 10:57 #52897

    Like a tunnel that you follow, to a tunnel of it's own. Down a hollow to a cavern where the sun has never shone. Like a door that keeps revolving in a half forgotten dream. Like the ripples from a pebble someone tosses in a stream...Like the circles that you find in the windmills of your mind. Where's me beans on toast?

  102. andy1886

    Jun 14, 2014, 10:10 #52896

    It's hardly any wonder this club thinks it can take the fans for fools when we trott out compacent stuff like this is it? For starters let's look at this 78 day stuff. The window may close on August 31st but the season starts on August 16th, some 2 weeks before that. Isn't it a good idea to have new players bought, bedded in and familiar with their new team mates? To have them for pre-season, for CL qualifying? Remember the post 8-2 trolley dash? That worked out well didn't it? Then there's the trite drivel about it doesn't matter what our rivals do. Of course it matters!! If they purchase better quality players and start the season with their businees done, tactics sorted, players familiarised with new team mates then they will be stronger. Fail to compete in the finanical sense and we'll fail to compete on the field of play. Arsene needs to stop pratting around at the WC and get back to work and earn his £8m p.a. Seventy eight days is a nonsense, a feeble excuse for inaction, for dragging our heels once again while rivals strengthen. All very familiar. And the idea that Chelsea and City have money to burn. Utter nonsense. Did you miss the FFP ruling? City don't have money to burn, they can't. We can spend twice as much as they can, plus they cannot permit an increase in their wage bill (more FFP), we can outbid them in wages and transfer fees this summer, that's a fact. As for Chelsea you obviously failed to notice that last January they strengthened and actually MADE A PROFIT on their deals. This summer with the sale of Luiz they can buy Fab and Costa for a combined net cost of around £12m - less than we paid for the Ox!! If you think this side is two or three players from being a great one you obviously haven't been watching very closely. Best of the rest, but a long way from matching City or Chelsea. Care to recall how we did against the top sides? Didn't think so.

  103. Unchives

    Jun 14, 2014, 9:43 #52895

    "The best teams have the best players", Wenger's words. We certainly don't have the best or indeed, go for the best.We had the option to get Cesc back and get rid of Arteta, Diaby & Rosicknote. Lets make it clear, if Wenger's has got it wrong for a second time (RVP), and doesn't sign the players we need to challenge it is HIS FAULT, not anyone else's. He saved his carcass....just...by winning the FA Cup, the targets must now be beyond this or are they just beyond him?

  104. Lord Froth

    Jun 14, 2014, 9:28 #52894

    I'm not happy that Fabregas has gone to Chelsea but we have to forget about it and move on. Remember how well the team were playing at the start of last season? Ozil was doing well alongside Ramsey and Walcott. I know we tend to get a lot of injuries but instances like Sagna having his leg broken as it was trodden on and Walcott twanging his ligament are not down to training and the medical team. It's been a mixture of extreme bad luck and the training methods in my opinion. Would you really put money on that amount of injuries in midfield at the same time for so long happening again next season? We do, by all accounts, have a lot of cash but is it really worth spending a quarter of it in an area that wasn't essential? How many of you, before you knew that Fabregas was available, when thinking about what squad additions we needed would have said another attacking midfielder? Let's say it wasn't Fabregas, but instead a different attaching midfielder, considering we need a striker, a DM, a right back and a goalie, if Wenger had unveiled a new attacking midfielder you'd all be on here whining and moaning and insulting the manager. I know the recent track record in transfer windows is ****e, I know this, but prior to that Wenger spent the money on quality like Edu, Gilberto, Lauren, Toure, when he had to and I do think we'll get some decent signings this window. We've lost some players that need replacing and I for one believe that we'll get some decent quality in. I know some of you will think I'm crazy but I'm enjoying the World Cup and it's not within my power to do anything about it anyway so I'm relaxed at the moment. Whether that'll be the case come August if we still haven't spent will be a different matter.

  105. TJ

    Jun 14, 2014, 9:06 #52893

    I agree with every word the article says. The fans who have their heads stuck so far up their own behinds and smell the coffee. Cesc left us in 2011 and the he thinks he can walk straight back in?! Walk on son

  106. Ozzie

    Jun 14, 2014, 8:10 #52891

    There may be a while to go in the window but why wait to view prospective players at the world cup? Where are the scouts? Haven't they been watching player development around the world this past year or two? Is a player suddenly going to "arrive" in one or two games on centre stage? What annoyed me about Cesc, Sagna, Viera, VonPursie, Henry, Cole etc was the long drawn out hooha of will he stay/will he go? Why dont they just make up their minds and bugger off?

  107. louis2

    Jun 14, 2014, 7:59 #52890

    say what you like about moving forward, not signing cesc is a step backwards, once again we have handed a world class talent to one of our rivals, not only a rival but Chelski the prostitute of the premier league. key injuries throughout the season cost us, put cesc into that squad and who knows, you can never have enough quality players and we don't have enough.Depressing.

  108. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    Jun 14, 2014, 7:17 #52889

    It's a moronic misguided decision by a manager who believes that it is all about him. The blatter syndrome. The return of Cesc would have given us a huge boost and a leader on the pitch. Wengers clingons of course would justify literally anything that he did and this garbage is proof of that. U

  109. Ron

    Jun 14, 2014, 6:36 #52888

    DW - Hiya matey. Dont 'pigeon hole' buddy. Im open to anybodies view if it makes sense, be they pro or anti AW. Hes not made EVERY decision hes made badly you know. I just happen to think (always thought) Fabregas is/was over rated and coming back to the Arse would be bad for him and Arsenal. We need better and we need 'class. but not vitally in the creative midfield positions, that all im saying. Ive thought AW shd have called time out many years ago. No change there, but in this instance im of the view hes called it right. Have a great week end.

  110. Westlower

    Jun 14, 2014, 6:27 #52887

    @DWT, No problem with changing the manager. I'll welcome the new man with open arms and will SUPPORT him through thick & thin as I do with all AFC managers. I believe it's counter productive to continually undermine the man in charge. It gives our enemies a stick with which to beat us. If the manager loses the dressing room then his position becomes untenable and a change of manager results. That hasn't happened at AFC since Rioch & GG. What happens when the new man suffers his first thrashing? Get him out? Next man please, as the merry go round spins on - shades of Mr Levy? Then what? Continual criticism of the man in charge, whoever he is, and/or Gooners who support him achieves nothing constructive. It only serves to create tension among supporters which is evident on these pages. Whether the next manager is Klopp, Martinez or Low, he'll have the same support I afford Wenger, until he loses the dressing room!

  111. BADARSE

    Jun 14, 2014, 5:55 #52885

    Round, like a circle in a spiral, like a wheel within a wheel, never ending or beginning on an ever spinning reel. Like a snowball down a mountain, or a carnival balloon. Like a carousel that's turning, running rings around the moon. Like a clock whose hands are sweeping past the minutes of it's face; and the world is like an apple whirling silently in space. Like the circles that you find-in the windmills of your mind. Where's me cornflakes?

  112. DW Thomas

    Jun 13, 2014, 23:33 #52884

    Lots of Wenger lackeys on here today eating it up! He is a snake oil salesman, how,anyone can't see it is beyond me. Perhaps the first serious clue was his I would take 2nd for 20 years quote. That said it all, but we mugs kept hoping didn't we? United wouldnt even give Moyes a season to try to build a team. Our farcical leader has had years to build his team. And what has he to show for it? And are you serious about diamonds at the World Cup? We need proven players! Quality over time! Wenger should know, have know long ago, who his targets are. If you really want something of quality in life, sometimes there is no bargaining, if you REALLY want it! You'd think the players would want more. Then again, they do live inside Arsene's bubble world where it's always someone else's fault. Some of the posts today and yesterday I just can't wrap my head around. Even Ron is in agreement with some AKBs lately. What's next? Badarse and Westlower calling for a change in manager? So 78 days and them what we nothing's changed, no quality brought in? What then? More time? I'd like to see us win the league before 2034? Anyone else?

  113. Edmund

    Jun 13, 2014, 23:16 #52883

    I wonder if I will applaud Fabregas if he and Costa celebrate Adebayor-style after they crush us in the next London derby. But thanks Asser for this sour grapes article. I feel better already. Perhaps he will get Oscar so unhappy Mourinho will send him our way.

  114. DW Thomas

    Jun 13, 2014, 22:56 #52882

    There are so many problems with this article. First, "a strong squad" and we have the money to do it? We never do it. Ever! Why now? Second, we all know Cesc walked, and not to a league rival like most others, took a pay cut, and went home. Nobody begrudged him then. He was right if his desire was to win trophies. He is not the comedy manager we have that built a second best team (4th actually!) around him with poor teammates. Third, our chances are ALWAYS related to what our rivals do. Whether it be buying players we could have bought (Fab,Mata, Hazard...and that's just Chelsea!!), better tactics, or simply having more players with more cojones that want to win more than we do. And our medical dept. is a joke as well as our transfers...for YEARS now! Rectifying big game mistakes is a must, but we need so much more to do that. Last, Forward you say? We won a trophy, barely, against Hull. With a much higher paid team and manager. Our motto should be NEUTRAL! Or 4TH! That is truly where we are. Even if we get the players we should, can Wenger beat more astute managers? Van Gaal just beat Spain 5-1. What will he achieve with Unites next season while Wenger continues to make excuse after excuse for failure? And Fabregas is still the best player we had these last 8 years. What a joke. Pipe down? We should be even more vocal about the problems with our club!!!

  115. BADARSE

    Jun 13, 2014, 22:34 #52881

    Wizard of Oz, I have reread your post a few times. You are a good fellow. Alan Watts-one of his famous quotes I have used often. I thought it was an original thought to begin with, but like jjetplane's bike it's all recycled, that is wisdom through astute observation. I would insist that yesterday does not exist, neither does tomorrow, only today. Going beyond this awareness gives an understanding of humanities difficulty in comprehending the simplicity of existence. If the past and future do not exist-and they don't, then how comes everyone spends most of their lives inside their own heads dwelling on what once was, and thinking of what yet will be. Very few live for now, for the moment. That is why so many are disenchanted with all around them. Don't get me wrong, I believe we should shout and rail at the system whenever it is practicable, but people need a wider perspective on events which are surrounding them, and influence their lives. Nice to connect like this. Going up the wooden hill to Bedfordshire now, and I live in a bungalow (good Indian word). Got the Uncle Toby's ready?

  116. BADARSE

    Jun 13, 2014, 22:12 #52880

    Thanks Asser, a well constructed argument and a good article. The comments show what a division there is between...people. It has little to do with the manager; in this instance people cannot agree about a former player. If a trades union man engaged with a right wing parliamentarian they would agree on little. They would come from a different perception of what is and isn't important in life. The manifestations of what the standpoints dictate is a scene of two people standing back to back,with eyes closed and their fingers in their ears saying, 'La la la la...'. It's a bit like that with these posts I'm afraid. A case is put, someone disagrees with the priorities we dance around the issue and that's it. It isn't though. People go on and on, re-treading the same path, repeating the same or similar points, they are countered and the beat just goes on. As I said in an earlier post, Fabregas coming to AFC was a non-story. So what's next to discuss? How about Diaby starting next season like a train and shaking the foundations? Probably unlikely but the player is good enough to do just that. It's been a while but I have to say, custard pies at the ready...begin!

  117. jjetplane

    Jun 13, 2014, 21:03 #52879

    Amazing how those players who escape the old bird's clutches go 'flying through the air' in front of the whole world and run to their true manager and get the high fives on. Probably the best headed goal I have ever seen. Watch those Mancs fly through the Arsenal next season. It may be brutal. It may be disturbing to watch. Thank **** I have Sussex league 1 to get my teeth into next season. How old is that Costa - he is pure Sergio Leone. 6-0 may be 10-0. Does that put RVP above Raddie! ho ho ho!

  118. Danny

    Jun 13, 2014, 20:18 #52878

    Cesc going to Chelsea is a disgrace. He should be at Arsenal not OZIL who is a lazy buggar and a bust!! In my mind, this transfer would eventually see the END of this stupid senile clown of a coach we have, because Chelsea are stronger with HIM AND COSTA while our coach is busy commentating for French TV, instead of buying quality like CESC and COSTA, as Maureen said, Wenger is a FAILURE!!! and is he proving it

  119. jjetplane

    Jun 13, 2014, 19:24 #52876

    Well it was all a distraction and I can now see the genius that is Arsene. Seen wandering through tropical rain with plastic card at the ready he goes right to the African section. Maureen thinks he can fool OGL but what does a simple fisherman really know? It was never the intention to take back CF. No OGL wants Song for a song. I think it's a done deal and while looking for leaders on the pitch who is seen talking the talk in front of the whole world. Step forward (careful old chap) Eto'o. Buy one get one for a well song. That's the Viera we wanted back and with Eto'o (old spring chicken) up front Ozil won't know where to the ball. Options, options and while everyone in sleeping on the beach OGL is out in the rain forest with only his trusty duvet and Arteta carrying his jumpers (for goalposts). Forward then with our great leader/explorer and the sweetest thing is that Diaby gets up until December before he makes the bench. You want the FA Cup - come and get it! Tell you one thing - those bushwhacking sons of dockers ain't got nothing on the wrestling stars of Mexico. Whenwas the last time you ever enjoyed watching a manc?

  120. Bo

    Jun 13, 2014, 19:06 #52875

    Excellent article & well balanced. Exactly what I have been saying all along when Cesc was made available. Doesnt feel too good to see him in a chelsea shirt but his chapter is long gone. We have good hungry players in that department & need significant strengthening elsewhere. Over to wenger now!

  121. £24m wages £100m kitty

    Jun 13, 2014, 18:56 #52874

    Mmm Carlos Vela. Wake me up in 2017!

  122. Carlos

    Jun 13, 2014, 18:44 #52873

    Would he have improved the squad? Did he want to join? Could we afford him? Will our vast array of attacking talent stay fit for the whole season? Would his signing have made the fans happy?

  123. Tom O'B

    Jun 13, 2014, 18:34 #52871

    1) Fabregas's partner still lived in London even when he at Barcelona. He 27, she 39 BUT she also has two kids from a previous 'relationship' thus a London club always going to win over up north. He dancing to her turn, albeit for £200k 2) Talk about twisting the knife, Barca just 'had' to add on they were essentially getting £27 for a flop who just hadn't cut the mustard. 3) With Ramsey on board for ALL of last season we'd have won the league. That we didn't down to one man - Wenger. The medical staff (sic) has just disintegrated since Gary Lewin left. Why? What did Gary know behind the scenes..? Anyway, in reality we are already midfield top-heavy but, gee whiz, the one man up front is Giroud, thats it!?!? 4) Wenger; why does a 64 year old manager who has never won the CL deserve or need a £24m contract? Its not like he's been on minimum wage since 1996 is it. Someone like Klopp would take half AND brought a freshness to the club. Btw, once Wenger goes he won't give a sh*t about us. As has been noted he has never mentioned or given credit to Graham. Three more years of the same delusion tacticless crap.

  124. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jun 13, 2014, 18:13 #52870

    Tempting to shoot a player just because he joined a rival? (yeah that would be right), that's what's sickening, not seeing him in a rival shirt, remember uncle arsene didn't want him and i'm sure it would have been a lot different if he did and had resigned him, also what's sickening is the fact that not only him but all our best players were sold too and allowed to go to our rivals (and i use the word rivals loosely as i doubt they look at us as rivals)so he should just join a lesser club with less ambition just to keep us happy? no he went to a club with real ambition and good luck to him. Maybe if this so called manager and club had more ambition he'd be back wearing an Arsenal shirt and maybe you and all the rest could be wearing your Fabregas shirts again instead of burning them, badge and all, that's what's really sickening.

  125. Wenger Dont Know

    Jun 13, 2014, 17:14 #52868

    Chelsea the team who battered us 6-0 remember Wenger's glorious 1000th game have now signed a top class striker and one of the best passers in world football.But dont worry Inspector Clueless is going to go out and sign 4 world class players.Dream on.We heard the same bull**** last summer when we were crying out for a striker and ended up with Bender and Sanogoal as back up strikers.Its amazing how many fans still believe the crap that comes out of Wengers mouth.

  126. foxinthebox2001

    Jun 13, 2014, 17:07 #52867

    I as recall, we also had plenty of transfer cash in January, needed a striker, and that didn't arrive. But a Swede with a busted back did. I have absolutely no faith in Wenger doing whats right anymore. In nothing else Fab would have an upgrade on Arteta. Most fans will agree, we have been playing the same system for the past 3 years as if Fab was still there, but no one was able to fill his shoes. We get a chance to bring him back, and turn it down.

  127. Highbury Boy

    Jun 13, 2014, 17:04 #52866

    One of the best midfield players in the world is on offer to us at a very reasonable price (compared to Ozil) and we have first refusal. Unless Wenger makes big successful buys this summer his refusal to buy Cesc will come back to haunt him. So much for Wenger saying there will be only transfer activity after the World Cup. He meant for Arsenal.

  128. Ron

    Jun 13, 2014, 16:56 #52865

    Thank you for such a sensible perspective on this tedious topic. Fabregas is a decent player but truthfully, hes not near what hes portrayed as being by some Arsenal fans and in my view never was. As you say, he's the past. Im sure the Chelsea support isn't rocking up and down the aisles at the prospect of him lining up in blue either. The whole clamour for him is rank, misplaced romanticism. Well done Arsenal and Arsene and the Club for not bowing to it.Well done Fabregas for making what seems like a a very sensible career move too. Good luck to both the Gunners and the player.

  129. Westlower

    Jun 13, 2014, 16:42 #52864

    @Bard, I don't doubt we have a preferred list of wanted players, but getting them and at wages that doesn't rock (sink) the boat is something else.

  130. 1971 Goonet

    Jun 13, 2014, 16:24 #52863

    Cesc allegedly wanted £200K a week to come back to us. As much as I would have liked to see him back in red and white I think we are right to spend our money in areas where our need is more urgent. If it helps ease the pain, my Chelsea friends aren't exactly over the moon about signing him.

  131. Where's Wally is a Gooner

    Jun 13, 2014, 16:21 #52862

    All we do know is that Wenger has no handle on the psychology of the game.Yet again he allows Maureen to scr*w him. So what if we spent 30 mill on Cesc and used him sparingly for a season.You don't let him go to a direct rival when you can stop it.Who seriously thinks Cesc isn't going to score 15-20 goals and 20 plus assists next season? He's 27 and in his prime.30 mill is the steal of the window.Sure we don't need him but if you really want to win a title you need to strengthen yourself and weaken you're opponents.If you're happy to be an also ran and pick up an 8 mill a year salary I guess you don't care.How's the TV work going Arsene?

  132. Bard

    Jun 13, 2014, 16:02 #52860

    Good article Asser, although I don't agree with it. unfortunately football is all about raw emotion and irrational thought thats why I love it. The problem with your argument is that you live in hope that Arsenal will make major signings to counterbalance the not signing Cesc but where is the evidence that we have made significant signings in the last few years. Yes we bought Ozil but we all know that was a panic buy. Yes there is plenty of time left but all the evidence , well documented is that Wenger is a ditherer in the market and obsessed with his own value rather than the market value. This doesn't fill me with hope and joy for the remaining days. Of course its not the end but it make not only Wenger's job more difficult but he heaps pressure on Ozil. I won't repeat the sentiments expressed in a previous post if things start going Pete Tong early in the season. Westie you would hope that the club know exactly who they want and have done so for months. The world cup is irrelevant other than pushing the price up

  133. jjetplane

    Jun 13, 2014, 16:01 #52859

    Reckon he is going to the 'new kids on the block' and predict Maureen will clean up on the trophy front. He may also just be coming into the form that all the talk has always promised. There never was a chance of him stepping down to so unambitious a club has we have had for a decade. Never really liked the guy but am now warming to him and he is obviously leaving a club in decline to join one who will be there no doubt with RM fighting for the big one next season. Think the Arsenal narrative is finally settling into the also-rans along with Everton and the Spuds. Remains to be seen who is the hungriest. With the disgraceful money paid to Wenger and the price of a ticket at the Hollowdrone and JW playing the next Rooney - my betting is elsewhere and certainly looking forward to next season. Loved last night's match and it was as much of a tussle as a good div 2 game on a 'tuesday' night - nice to see some perversely honest football (know thy culture) and not some shallow exhibition Raff for the easily converted. Well done CF! ps Forward to ..... Antiquity.

  134. SA Gunner

    Jun 13, 2014, 15:57 #52858

    The dithering procrastinating old fool will get into the market when all has been sold to the opposition. Chelsea have already bought 2 top class players.

  135. Richard

    Jun 13, 2014, 15:53 #52857

    This puts huge pressure on Ozil.....he needs to show next season why we spent over £40 million on him (I have my doubts - he's comments about everyone owing him respect etc annoys me.....he has to earn the respect through he's last performance and not rely on what he did several years ago). My fear is that Fabregas is simply a better payer then Ozil....lets hope I am wrong!!

  136. John Boy

    Jun 13, 2014, 15:51 #52856

    No Asser, not signing Fabregas is certainly not disastrous for the team who are heavy in light-weight attacking midfield players, but it is disastrous for the morale of the fans - Are football clubs not run for the fans..? I know, how naive! One question for the AKB's now claiming that we have no use for Fabregas - Why if injuries to Ramsey and Wilshere cost us the title last year, do we not need a top class midfielder? Something to stew over. The problem Asser, is that Wenger won't sign any of the players we really need either, so the whole summer is shaping up to be another classic Wenger farce. Sagna has also gone to one of our "rivals" I note - What exactly is Mr Wenger up to while all the real managers are getting their business done early?

  137. Delicioso

    Jun 13, 2014, 15:45 #52855

    There's a saying about accountants knowing the cost of everything and the value of nothing. We stood to gain more from fab joining us than he did. We would have strengthen our team, whilst denying our rival that opportunity. How many ex Arsenal players in their prime or close to it now play for our rivals. How many of the top 5 teams have lost players to us, that will be none. I don't agree with the argument that we have a lot of players in that role, apart from Ozil, Cesc is better than all of them hands down. So, why not sell cazorla or rosicky to make room for Cesc. There's not point cutting our noses to spite our faces. There seems to be room for sentiment when it comes to Diaby and other players who have ridden the gravy train, but no room for train for Cesc. This decision makes Chelsea stronger on and off the field, and you can't help but get a feeling of deja vu when you hear of other clubs getting their transfers in and Arsenal watching from the size lines for a bargain. Good Luck Cesc, everyone makes mistakes, Wenger has made his fair share. Finally, apparently he choose Chelsea because his partner didn't want to move to Manchester and he wanted to stay in London to be close to them. Seems like a decision any one who has fathered a child should understand. Adios Cesc, te echare de menos mucho

  138. Westlower

    Jun 13, 2014, 15:45 #52854

    Well said Asser. Realistic appraisal of the Fabregas saga. What Chelsea do or don't do in the transfer market is not our call. As Asser highlighted there is 78 days remaining on the transfer window. Why wouldn't you take a 'free' look at players in the World Cup? How frustrating would it be if we spent our entire budget early on, only to witness some diamonds performing in Brazil and no money left to buy them. So many of you are squealing before you're hurt. Have your moans in 79 days time & spare us the hand wringing.