World Cup Diary Part 5

Sao Paulo for England misery



World Cup Diary Part 5


So, England v Uruguay in Sao Paulo. It was a grey day with occasional rain. We took a taxi to the nearest metro station and then took the train to the stadium. It was nice, whilst queuing for tickets, to bump into a couple of friendly faces from home. They had been in town since Sunday and described the place as 'a right sh*thole'. Hmmmm... I hadn't seen anything to say different from what I had seen of the place in the two taxi rides (one in daylight) and a short stroll with Sanj so he could buy his cigarettes near the hotel. The weather obviously didn't help create a favourable impression. It felt like a dank late autumn day back home. Still, this is winter in Brazil, and the south is a long way from the north. And on a football level, surely the conditions suited England down to the ground. No need for a Miami training camp for this one.

On the train journey, we passed a lot of very poor graffiti spray painted on countless walls. Nothing of any quality, just those armed with cans announcing they had been there. It was an eyesore. When we left the metro station to head for the stadium (we had been told to get off one before the end of the line as the one closest was not open yet, which proved not to be the case), in spite of there being signage indicating the direction to the stadium, it looked like there had been no attempt to clean up the area, to even pretend it was something better than it was. However, at least on the walk there, we passed some blocks which had some quality artwork spray painted on their side, depicting the years when Brazil had won the World Cup with some tasty artwork, including a rather cruel image painted large of Roberto Baggio skying his penalty in the 1994 final shoot-out.

We reached the stadium itself nice and early. From the outside, it looked rather bland. A bit like the Allianz Arena, but rectangular and with just white colours. After the game, these huge bland surfaces were used, as it had fallen dark, to relay messages in vivid colour, and the design suddenly made sense. We wandered around the circumference of the stadium and I caught the Colombia v Ivory Coast game on a big screen from the point at of the first goal in Colombia's 2-1 win. Ivory Coast should still go through as they play Greece in their final game and a draw should be enough unless Japan can beat Colombia. Gervinho scored a good goal and it is a mystery as to why Arsene Wenger did not get more from him when he was at Arsenal. The screen I was watching was part of a Budweiser erected construction. In front of it, a DJ was pumping out music with two dancing blondes either side of him. If the football got boring, you could just watch them instead.

Our seats were in the lower tier, but near the back, affording an excellent view of proceedings. The time between the end of the Colombia game and the start of England's went by quickly enough. The stadium itself is magnificent. The upper tiers behind the goals both look to be temporary constructions, which is a shame as they really add to the feel of the place as something special. However, the city's clubs probably doesn't need the extra 12,000 or so seats they bring, and enough money has been spent on the place without a doubt. There were traces in the concreting on the steps where it had been evident that it had been finished in a bit of a rush, but I never felt that it was at all unsafe. There has been some significant money spent in some of the areas, which frankly isn't justified, such as some very expensive flooring. Holding the opening ceremony here undoubtedly made it a showpiece stadium, but it is quite evident that the high standards in some places did not come cheap, and symbolise what is wrong with investing so much money in new football stadiums in a society such as Brazil.

As for the game, the same starting eleven for England as against Italy, but Luis Suarez was present for the first time in these finals for Uruguay, and was always likely to shape the narrative of the game. I haven't read any reaction from back home as yet, but my impressions were that England did not play as well as against Italy. Granted, they did fashion some danger and had enough chances to win the game, but I felt a lot of the passing was very poor, especially the final ball when opportunities did arise. Uruguay seemed to have less opportunities but made the most of them. That is the difference in having a world class striker. Their first goal had echoes of the one scored by Balotelli against England in the game last Saturday. Simply too good for England's defence. Wayne Rooney went close twice from a free kick and a close range header that hit the bar. Dare I venture that Suarez might have converted such attempts? Uruguay were cynical and seemed to know how to buy fouls from the Spanish ref in a way that England couldn't.

In the second half, more England pressure and another great chance for Rooney fired at the keeper. Eventually though, the equaliser came when, for once, Glenn Johnson produced something meaningful from the right flank and Rooney finally got his goal. The game opened up with both sides going for it. However, England were undone by a typical goal of the sort you'd see every Saturday at the likes of the Britannia Stadium. A hoof upfield, apparently headed on by Steven Gerrard, to set up his switched on club team-mate Suarez who didn't need a second invitation to score. England tried manfully to get back in the game again, but I don't recall them coming close. Frank Lampard was warming up at one point and I would have been tempted to bring him on to score one of his scrappy goals. It felt like the kind of game where such an opportunity might fall to him. England are, of course, not mathematically out of the tournament if Italy beat Costa Rica later today, but it felt like it as the clock ticked down. When all is said and done, they do not have any players in the team you could describe as world class at the moment, and you do need a couple to win games against the likes of Italy and Uruguay in these big tournaments. England rarely win such matches and when they do, it tends to be a one off that does not lead to better things.

The crowd was strange around us. I sensed a lot of them were not even really football fans, including some from England. They were shouting out daft stuff, such as 'Give it to Sterling' ten minutes after he had been taken off. There was a lot of going out and coming in for food and drink and a general feeling that it was more like a baseball type of audience who weren't going to sit through 90 minutes of a football match. At one point, a cameraman was in the aisle to get shots of fans waving at him and too many people were more interested in getting in his shot than watching the match. He pointed it at some fans in front of me and I gave him an extended one fingered salute so he would go and point the damn thing somewhere else. If we are having crowd shots, why not get people acting naturally by filming them from a distance and not putting them live on the big screen so we can avoid that horrible moment when they realise they are being broadcast and start acting like demented idiots. Anyhow, back to the football...

I have to say, I do not emotionally invest in England because I have become accustomed to their failure. I don't believe any more, so although I am pleased when they do win, when they fail, it is simply confirmation of what I expect. Sadly, I have started to feel this way about Arsenal in recent seasons, although my emotional investment there is greater. I do not expect England to win another World Cup in my lifetime, although I would like to think Arsenal can secure a few titles before my time is up. With a new manager, even a Champions League is possible one day.

After the final whistle we did not hang around. We headed back to the metro where we had initially boarded the train to the ground. There was a fan park near there, so we figured there would be places to eat, drink and kill time. We found a bar which fitted the bill, although it was a bit rough. We sat outside to watch the first half of Japan v Greece on a big TV and at one point, a beggar with a carrier bag came and tipped some leftover food from a vacated neighbouring table from the plate into his bag, before he could be warned off by the owner. There were a lot of quite obviously desperate people wandering up and down within yards of where we were eating. Given this was the area where FIFA chose to hold their fan park, one has to conclude that other areas of the city are even worse than the rather unappealing one we were in. It later transpired that some England fans had been attacked before the game here by Brazilian hooligans armed with knives and knuckledusters, which explained the police presence although we simply assumed it was precautionary. It was obviously dark by this time, which didn't help.

The overall impression I formed of Sao Paulo was that it was something like Batman's Gotham City. A lot of grime, a lot of darkness, a seedy atmosphere amidst the tall buildings and a large number of ne'er do wells - although I fully accept circumstances have created the social problems all too evident. I was glad to catch a taxi back to the hotel where we killed an hour in reception using the wifi before collecting our cases and heading for the airport. I think it's unlikely any of us will ever return. The stadium is great, a fantastic place to watch a game of football, but Sao Paulo confirmed what I was told months ago at the early planning stages of this trip. A dangerous place to be avoided. It isn't on the coast and does not seem to have any real saving graces. It's a monster out of control and a real contrast to what we have seen elsewhere in Brazil. It might sound exotic on the tongue, but it simply isn't. Even the females do not seem particularly attractive.

Next up, a middle of the night flight to Recife and at 1pm, Italy v Costa Rica. The temperature will be in the high 20s and I am confident the place will feel more like somewhere we want to be. And in the vain hope that three points might see England through to the last 16, we are backing Pirlo's boys for a convincing win. Forza Italia!


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  1. HowardL

    Jun 24, 2014, 14:35 #53187

    Hi Kev: I'm really enjoying your posts - often far better than the games themselves. It is refreshing to see players performing because they are a particular nationality and not just for the £££££££s. Totally agree with the bit about the crowd shots and the need to capture natural behaviour. I wasn't sure whether the group of Swiss cheeses doing their rapturous selfies when 5-0 down to France made me want to smile or vomit. Perhaps if we could recruit Benzema alongside Giroud it would be just the spark that is needed. But with AW in charge, maybe not.

  2. Mo

    Jun 21, 2014, 23:48 #53166

    I thought England done as well as can be expected. I hope the Ox is fit enough to start on Tuesday as he's England's best player by a country mile. Glad to hear Vermaelen says he's not keen on joining Man U as he doesn't like their direct football. One quality striker and a good back up keeper and we should be fine next season.

  3. Sir Alf

    Jun 21, 2014, 22:47 #53165

    Just 174 English players played in the Premier League last season, so 1 in 7 guaranteed to make the World Cup squad no matter how bad they are!

  4. Aaron

    Jun 21, 2014, 21:59 #53164

    Phil Jagielka, Jordan Henderson, Danny Welbeck with Rickie Lambert off the bench. Add to that a lack of effort and tactical gameplan and it's amazing people are surprised we're out.

  5. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jun 21, 2014, 21:13 #53163

    To be fair to England, the players, and most of all the Manager, i haven't heard any excuses for their Failure/Failures and as some are saying humiliation, just apologies, very very refreshing indeed.

  6. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jun 21, 2014, 19:53 #53162

    The Suns chief sports writer Steven Howard must be a keen follower of the online gooner, as he seems to have picked up on the Carry on quips on here of late regarding OGL and Arsenal, basing his own excellent column in today's paper about England on Carry on up the jungle.

  7. DW Thomas

    Jun 21, 2014, 15:01 #53161

    Always a little sad to see England go out, but I can't say I am a big fan of any players other than Jack and the Ox. Jack more than Ozil became the new Cecs for me, but has regressed this season. Whether that's Wenger or injuries is up for discussion. This summer seems an easier one to identify targets with the WAC going on, so my hope started to burn again that we might get some players info quality. Then, reality check. The WC will push the prices up not down, and that makes me believe we still won't get the ones we need as El Cheapo only buys bargains. On the bright side, Balo looks maturing and does get a lot of chances. Never liked his bad boy image, but his background story is kind of cool, what he's been through and overcome. He is talented. And Joel Campbell. Can you imagine a front 3 to rotate of Griroud, Mad Mario, and Campbell. Wouldn't even cost too much, just Balo. Add Griezman, Aurier, a top CB, and backup GK and even a critical fan like myself would have to raise the white flag and say this team has a chance. To think we could have had Cesc too and wow that's a squad as good as any in the world. All possible. Sure it involves risk money wise and on some players, but life and success demands risk. No pain no no gain!

  8. jjetplane

    Jun 21, 2014, 14:57 #53160

    What a different planet the water carrier works on compared to Our Lustrous Explorer. He got a great performance out of Giroud using him as a sub and then as someone to take off and shake things up despite having got five goals. Thought Benzema had a great game and it is down to Deschamps getting the team to work as a unit in the manner of Chile, Costa Rica that is giving the French a timely resurgence. Susprised no one has posted to say that Arsene knows and that explains everything. Pogba is the man I am watching though Benzema is looking impressive from the point of view I have never really taken to him. All this is what is missing from England who have a few players now who have to be more interested in soft drink ad appearances than doing stuff on the field. I mean - there's Jack up there with Messi in the virtual Pepsi Max tournament and probably this is also the stuff OGL loves in that in the community/across the globe presence. No doubt Jack will do a little prog somewhere about his amazonian enlightenment and what he has learned and how the spirit ..... Guess we can say when English players get together without their foreign teamates, the passing is the first thing to go. Then the organised lines as they start to chase the ball in a style of a 100 a side kick around that precedes the Morris dancers and the beer fights. Still reckon they should have kicked off with Barkley and Lallana, taken Cole ... and given Jack a film crew. Oh for the Ox ...... Back to Giroud - he's had it too easy at Arsenal and just look what a bit of no-nonsense coaching does for a player. And as for Balo ...... must be on he's way ha ha ....

  9. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Jun 21, 2014, 13:27 #53159

    Half the problem with Hengerlund seems to me our ever loveable, reliable, gawd-bless-em meeeeeeeeeeeeeeedja, who have to focus on some up and coming youngster and then spend the next 4-5 years telling everyone they are World Class, when tournaments like this prove exactly the opposite. But the PR machine behind the Hengerlund set up don't care because it sells shirts, and pies, and cans of lager. As those downright good chaps Public Enemy told us in the 90's "Don't Believe The Hype". Meanwhile, our other supposed lesser sports, sailing, rowing, golf et al, produces winning Englishmen and women. Football in this country is rotten to the core, sucked dry by self interest, the game has been stolen from us. When's the revolution and will it be televised.

  10. jeff wright

    Jun 21, 2014, 13:24 #53158

    Personally I thought a lack of effort was one of the problems with England .The defending was lackadaisical to say the least. The main ones though are the FA, an organization that preferred Graham Taylor to back to back European Cup winner Brian Clough,Taylor is at present appearing on TV making an idiot of himself, not in his case a hard thing to do, spilling Cider over his face and talking his usual gibberish . I expect more such silly adverts to follow now from others to promote product. Gerrard could make a fortune from one. Remember that Pizza one with psycho and others after the England penalty shootout fiasco at Italia 90? Hodgson is not up to the job he was sacked at Liverpool after a few games ,that was his only shot at the big-time and his real level is West Brum and Fulham . His tactics and squad/team selections were crap . He should have had Terry partnering Cahill as he does at Chelsea and Cashley at LB instead of Baines . Hodgson should have employed a 3 man midfield and left Gerrard at home - he looked knackered after his slip up that cost Liverpool the title. England were unlucky with injuries - AOC was missed with him and Sturridge being Englands two best attacking players . With a manager that had some idea of what to do, and different players and tactics, England would have qualified from the group stage as they normally do. No big surprise though to see Greg Dyke, a man with a compulsive losing gambling problem, backing Hodgson to stay . It's not the players that are the problem it's the FA infrastructure and managers that are employed. I won't be holding my breath though on things changing,the dog wags the tail in English football and that dog is the Premier League and it's Sky /BT and overseas sponsors. It's all academic anyway because all of the Euro sides will fail to win the Cup as well ,some though, unlike England and Spain , will go a bit further in it. Right I'm off to watch Royal Ascot on TV .Ce' est la vie!

  11. Ozzie

    Jun 21, 2014, 13:22 #53157

    England started the game against Italy like a rag to a bull and might well have posted 2 or 3 goals in the first 20 minutes which may have put their tails up. I wonder if, subconsciously, they slipped into negative gear after that game? Oh well, easy to look back in hindsight...

  12. Westlower

    Jun 21, 2014, 12:18 #53156

    Well said Mike, you beat me to the punch. Until England stop revering effort over skill nothing will change. 'Brawn beats brain' is the English philosophy & I don't see it changing in my lifetime. There's a good reason why the nation who gave football to the world have only ever won ONE competition in the entire history of the game. We're basically a nation of pub footballers & the elite that represent us at International level are the best of an inhibited crop.

  13. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jun 21, 2014, 12:09 #53155

    The straw clutching didn't last long after all England are on their way home again with their tails between their legs, i guess OGL wasn't about to give advice on how to scrape through, or is it that no matter about all the hype around England and their great young hopes their just not good enough and never have been. Or is it something else? maybe it's all a big conspiracy? you know the same one that happens against Arsenal every year,nobody want's England to win anything, maybe the powers that be decided at the draw stages? then the airline was instructed to make their flight uncomfortable, the hotel they would/were staying in told the same, the groundsmen ordered to make the pitch bumpy, then the referee's had their secret meeting (the same as they do for Arsenal in the prem)and instructed to make sure they got nothing no offsides no pens and didn't win, and just to make sure the referees spray had a special gas that only affected English players and made them dizzy the same way a more high pitch sound affects Arsenal players in the prem.Yes no doubt all this conspiring against them worked, now they know how Arsenal feel.

  14. jeff wright

    Jun 21, 2014, 11:04 #53154

    Okay time for a reality check regarding England. One it's not true that they always go out early,in fact this is the first time since 1950 that they have failed not to get past the group stage. England have won one world cup that is the same as what Spain have won and England won their star on their shirts way before the vaunted senors of tiki taka did . Also England did better at trying to defend their title than Spain who limped out of the group stage in total humiliation. Just saying like. Now how about Holland a much lauded footballing nation but despite the hype and super-super players they have never won a World Cup - and on their show against the Aussies I wouldn't bet on that changing. England were unlucky in Italia 1990 to lose in a penalty shootout to the Germans having been the better side. Deja -vu the Euro 96 semi final at Wembberly - when again the Germans penalty technique won them the nigfht over the Three Lions. England under 17s have just won the Euro Championship and they look like a good crop of young players so it's not all doom and gloom on the International front . What England need is the same as what AFC needs ,a good manager who can use the talent and resources available to better use. No doubt Arsene is creaming himself over les bleus wins and has convinced himself in his own inimitable way that Oliver will suffice so no need for big bucks being chucked at the likes of Balotelli, not that I want him to do that , but there are other strikers out there . Anyway, the cuckoo clockmakers exposed a few flaws in the French rearguard that better sides in the KO stages might well take advantage of so they are another side that I don't see gracing the final.

  15. Mike

    Jun 21, 2014, 10:33 #53153

    Don't know what all the fuss is about England being knocked out. For the first time, England entered the world cup with little or no expectation and for the first time they have lived up to those expectations. Good to see Arsenal players past and present having a good world cup. RVP, Gervinho, Giroud and Campbell on the scoresheets. Mertesaker and Ozil had steady games. Will watch the next Gernay game with interest.

  16. A Cornish gooner

    Jun 21, 2014, 10:30 #53152

    Old Lions gin?

  17. TobyStKildaAussie

    Jun 21, 2014, 5:29 #53151

    What England lacked is a commanding backline the likes of Adams, Keown, Seaman, Winterburn & Bould along with a good old Aussie spirit thrown in.

  18. Martyn

    Jun 21, 2014, 0:22 #53150

    Great to see Giroud on the score sheet tonight. France and Germany look the real deal so far but its good to see Costa Rica doing so well. As for England, we lack a real world class player and, depressingly, I can't see one on the horizon. What shame that Ramsey and Bale may never grace the world stage.

  19. DW Thomas

    Jun 20, 2014, 23:21 #53149

    Sign up Matuidi. He looks a real player! Costa Rica beats Italy but England can't? Wow. And they lead the group. Who predicted that? France look the real deal again. A good coach who didn't take a few bratty players and subs like Pogba and Griezman. Why did the all knowing Wenger never try and get big Paul the Mancs? Agree too about Henderson over Jack. Sometimes you have to go balls to the wall! France's game today epitomized a team doing it at all levels. Set pieces, transition, counter attacking, good defending, etc. Arsene could learn a thing or two by watching just them! So glad he is not their coach. Continues to be a great WC.

  20. Mo

    Jun 20, 2014, 23:14 #53148

    If England had the brilliant Arsene Wenger at the helm I believe they may have won the world cup.

  21. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Jun 20, 2014, 21:42 #53147

    Maguiresbridge; mate, glad to oblidge. As that Chilean bloke said once before the 1962 world cup; "we have nothing, that is why we must have the world cup" yes if we cannot laugh in the face of adversity then we have nothing. Anyway, I heard that joel Cmpbell put himself about a bit today - in a winning cause too.

  22. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jun 20, 2014, 21:01 #53146

    WeAreBuilding 56306, just seen your post now must have scrolled past it earlier, i like it, great sense of humor, one thing a lot of us haven't lost, because without it we have nothing.

  23. johnnyhawleylovinggooner

    Jun 20, 2014, 20:22 #53145

    Great posts on world cup.hair standing on head time in San Paulo, you will laugh at it sometime.hope Stevie G writes a book and takes full responsibility for two woefully poor performances as quickly as he blamed Theo in the past.wonder what was going through jack's mind as those subs went on instead of him,and Henderson playing 90 mins?

  24. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jun 20, 2014, 19:18 #53144

    WeAreBuilding, spot on, to hear the so called experts straight after the whistle going through all those scenarios, clutching at straws, hoping, you'd think if it did happen it was going to make a difference, nothing would change it would just happen again they're just not good enough, fact. The sooner these clowns or England luvvies get used to it the better. It all has a very familiar ring to it.

  25. GaryFootscrayAustralia

    Jun 20, 2014, 19:15 #53143

    @Ron, I think there's a couple of crucial factors that have hindered England since 1990. Firstly, choosing Graham Taylor instead of Brian Clough as Bobby Robson's replacement - which reinforces your point about the politicking within the F.A. The second is the dissolution of Football League Division One into the corporate experiment we have today. Within that, Manchester United were anointed as Murdoch's chosen ones, and it's no coincidence that a fair proportion of England's underachievement in the mid to late 90's with what was in reality a very decent squad of players can be attributed to the rift in the squad between Man Utd players (Murdoch's anointed) and Liverpool players (Murdoch's nemesis city). Oh, and Kevin Keegan of course.

  26. GaryFootscrayAustralia

    Jun 20, 2014, 19:01 #53142

    Campbell (Joel, not Kev or Sol) just had another blinder against Italy, and was denied a blatant penalty by Chiellini, who is - and let's have this right - a cheat. Viewed through Arsene's unique prism, Campbell may have earnt himself a seat on the bench backing up Sanogo for League Cup matches.

  27. Bard

    Jun 20, 2014, 16:56 #53141

    No surprise but mainly because had no expectations. Rooney had 3 chances and took 1, Suarez had 3 and took 2 thats what world class players do. Couldn't help feeling gutted we didn't sign him last year. I believe we could have got him for £50m, whats he worth now. Great posts Kev, thoroughly enjoying them.

  28. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Jun 20, 2014, 16:16 #53140

    Maguiresbridge: OGL was last seen paddling a canoe upstate heading for the French speaking part of the Americas, no doubt in search of some more untried 17 year olds.

  29. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jun 20, 2014, 15:43 #53139

    A disappointing result for someone like your self who was there Kev, what with the expense and traveling and all that goes with it, i thought England would have done enough but not at all surprised they didn't so much for the great young English hopes. Uruguay have real world class in Suarez which makes the extra £1 bid even more pathetic now. Speaking of OGL any word or sightings? did he make it off the Amazon or did he sink? i'm sure he had an opinion on it all, for what it would have been worth, maybe he can give Roy advice on how to scrape through as he's very good at doing that, or it's clutching at straws after all, something England supporting Arsenal fans should be well versed in. Or else it's back to the same old same old as far as England are concerned sent home yet again with their tails between their legs having proved yet again that their still just not good enough. Remind you off anyone?

  30. reality

    Jun 20, 2014, 15:23 #53138

    why did people think England would beat Italy and Uraguay anyway ? 2 countries with world cup pedigree, tournament nouse and good players. why do people think English players are that good ? you are all most of you just too influenced by Media instead of getting close up and watching players more often. youd then see that we are way behind in coaching and playing

  31. DW Thomas

    Jun 20, 2014, 15:15 #53137

    England and Gerrard and Rooney especially were just not good enough. Same as with Arsenal, Uruguay have a game changer, England don't. Not even close. Not too mention on both goals the defense,have Suarez all the space he needed. I really wanted Enlgand to,do well, but with Jack benched and Ox injured, my hopes were only medium. In the last 20 years what have England won with Lampard, Gerrard, Beckham, Scholes, et al? A lot more creativity is needed to score goals. And a top top quality striker. For all his hype over the years, Wayne Rooney is not that. I will admit it was somewhat a game of inches and key moments for England, but aren't they all for any wanna be winner? Just not good enough, not even close. Today's game of France versus the Swiss will,be interesting to see,if any Arsnenal,players play and/or potential targets like Griezman or Benzema.

  32. Ron

    Jun 20, 2014, 15:05 #53136

    All this depression and despair about England is so over the top. They gave it a go to the best they can offer, which in truth cant match much of the rest of the World these days and its been that way since the early to mid 70s in reality. We know this and so do the players the powers that be. We play a league that has approx 30 per cent only of its players able to play for England. Its a joke and more to the point, its quite a poor league too. Hype and TV cash alone do not a World Cup Winner make. They fought hard and weren't good enough. End of the matter really, save other than to say that the FA is so politicised its hard to see any real root and branch change for football in the UK and as a result hard to see England ever really challenging for the WC or even the Euro s.

  33. Croker

    Jun 20, 2014, 14:58 #53135

    Thanks for sharing,Kev.

  34. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Jun 20, 2014, 14:28 #53134

    Is there any wonder why non-Hengerlund fans laugh at us? Straight after the final whistle last night the "experts" were already talking about Italy win their last two games and England beat Costa Rica and we're through! On last nights' evidence, why is it taken for granted Hengerlund will be able to beat Costa Rica? Because they're from Central America and must automatically be not as good as the almighty Whites? From what I saw of them (CR) v Uruguay they are fast breaking, hardworking and direct.....and our creaking backline will have a job containing them.

  35. Charlie

    Jun 20, 2014, 14:20 #53133

    It wasn't me who had a snipe at Jack,I've never had a swipe at any Arsenal players and never will. Wilshere should have played instead of Gerrard unfortunately like Paul Davis and David Rocastle of old too technically good for what England want their players to do and will probably never be given a proper chance.

  36. jeff wright

    Jun 20, 2014, 13:03 #53132

    Charlie, your posts do not reflect the gutted feeling that you claim to have suffered last night. I can only judge you by what you post and that is mainly anti-English football comments. Is Jack overrated was one that you slipped in recently in one of your constantly sniping posts - and your views on the superiority of Europeans regarding football ,that you learned by living in 'Europe', made plain what your actual views on English football supporters are. I lived in Spain once in Catalana and tbh Charlie I found Spanish football boring ( yawn) and noticed how popular English league games were on TV on the big pub screens back then in the 80s . As the Spanish discovered this time around in the World Cup technique is not always just enough.I was horrified when Wenger chose to play tippy tappy and glorified in us being called Barca Lite. When we start to play proper football again,and by this old chap I I mean defending correctly to stop to the embarrassing hammerings that we keep receiving under monsieur Wenger's tenure , then I will feel empathy again with the team ,at present I have none at all and part of the problem why we have a divided fan base is because of supporters like yourself giving blind loyalty to Wenger .He survived by the skin of his teeth again last season ,but he looked like death warmed up in the cup final when lowly Hull took that 2 goal lead . I was happy that we won in the end , god knows we have had enough humiliations to contend with over the past few years without anymore being added . However,I still can't see how Arsene is going to take the club forward at his age and with his increasingly outdated management, coaching and tactics , in fact I think that he will struggle for par next season,and par for the course these days for him is 4th place.

  37. Martin James

    Jun 20, 2014, 12:34 #53131

    Seems like a hectic trip Kev, however your column makes for fascinating reading. Interesting to know that you are prepared to come back to South Africa yet happy to be well rid of Sao Paulo. Suarez, as good as he is, has not earned any brownie points here but is even more unpopular having now "bitten" England". Let's hope for a miracle.

  38. Matthew Bazell

    Jun 20, 2014, 12:17 #53130

    It's fashionable for people say they don;t care about England, but I do care, and one day it would be nice to see us actually do something of note, which we have not done since beating Germany 5-1 in 2001. I think our league is partly to blame because it's kick and rush ping pong football.

  39. John

    Jun 20, 2014, 11:57 #53129

    Charlie, if Livepool bottled it by finishing 2nd and nearly winning the title, what did Wenger's little boys do in finishing 4th and losing 5-1 to Liverpool?

  40. Charlie

    Jun 20, 2014, 11:13 #53128

    Not anti English at all Jeff Wright I was gutted when we lost last night. Very strange how you seem a lot more willing to defend England than Arsenal who you consistently knock and who would you rather be watching in the Premiership if you find our football not up to scratch?

  41. jeff wright

    Jun 20, 2014, 10:55 #53127

    There was certainly a deja vu familiarity about the not making possession count about England's failure against Suarez . Ironical also that Gerrard made both of the mistakes that led to the bucktoothed cannibal's brace of goals. Even half fit Suarez looks to be worth far more than 40m and a miserly quid. Another trick missed by our genius of a manager in failing to buy Suarez when he was on offer -if the offer was right.Ce est la vie !

  42. Moscow Gooner

    Jun 20, 2014, 10:42 #53126

    Great report. The margin between success and failure is very thin here: Shrek's header against the bar in the first half for example; and then at 1-1 England had the momentum and energy and looked set to win. To characterise their play as 'hoofball' is unfair. Schoolboy defending but generally an effort to keep the ball on the ground and create: they did have 63% of possession! It's the killer touch - that a Suarez brings - that is missing. Why does that sound familiar....??

  43. Seven Kings Gooner

    Jun 20, 2014, 9:58 #53125

    Great posts Kev - Many On Line Gooner regulars think that the PL is very over rated - last night proved that beyond doubt. Remember also Italy & Uruguay are not going to go very far in this World Cup.

  44. jeff wright

    Jun 20, 2014, 9:54 #53124

    As I recall it Mike,er sorry Charlie , Suarez was in that Liverpool side that bottled the league. England were never going to win the world cup anyway and neither will Uruguay so why worry about it. Sometimes the difference between winning games and losing them in these group stages is very small. Not always though ,ask Spain about it. And yet even the Dutch were fortunate to escape humiliation against the Aussies,who are hardly one of the worlds football super-powers. Never mind though Charlie you just keep on posting your stereotype anti-English football rants that fit neatly in with your absurd view that Arsene is providing the best football to watch in this country. You couldn't make it up.

  45. Charlie

    Jun 20, 2014, 9:05 #53123

    England do what they always do and play the same old way 'headless hoofball' which the wobs seem so in love with.Liverpool players bottled the league last year playing the same way so why expect England to do any different with them in the team. Suarez showed us a lesson in finishing,him and Messi could play in any system and still do the business.

  46. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Jun 20, 2014, 7:39 #53122

    Kev big respect; dancing blondes, giving the cameraman the finger, not emotionally attached to England - you and I are soul brothers :-) Hengerland did what Hengerland do; run about a lot, play the percentages, and resort to hoofball when the going gets tough. The winner was well taken, but the build-up to it was Sunday morning stuff. Overall my impression was that the team doesn't really know who's supposed to be doing what.

  47. Cavalera

    Jun 20, 2014, 7:26 #53121

    The best thing to ever come out of Sao Paolo is Sepultura.

  48. deejay

    Jun 20, 2014, 6:09 #53120

    if england had given the ball to sterling, 10 minutes after he had 'gone off' a point would have been good enough