World Cup Diary Part 14

The Quarter Finals



World Cup Diary Part 14


So, four quarter finals… watched from the armchair like the majority of those reading this, but with some kind of feeling for what it is like to be there.

Germany v France: This match exposed the reality that France haven’t actually played anyone of serious quality up to this point – Hounduras, Switzerland, Ecaudor and Nigeria. And as a consequence, have looked a lot better than maybe they are. Yes, they have some very decent players. But as a collective, not as good as Germany. They did attempt to exploit Germany’s high defensive line, but could not quite pull it off. At the key moments – and there were few - the composure required wasn’t there. Manuel Neuer is a very decent keeper and one wonders if the tactic of sweeper keeper might become a bit of a vogue after his impressive display in the role. It allows the German team to press effectively, condense the play and force their opponents into mistakes. It is very dependent on not allowing the opposition playmakers the time to pick out the pass that creates a one-on-one where Neuer is vulnerable, especially if he is rushing out of his area. On one level it is high risk football, but so far, the Germans have got away with it. I would be fascinated to see Argentina face Germany now. Messi can quite obviously pick a pass, and does not need much time to do it. I recall the 1986 final between the two sides. Lothar Matthaus man-marked Diego Maradona out of the game until the dying moments, with the score at 2-2. Maradona received the ball with his back to goal in the centre circle, swiveled and released Jorge Burruchaga to score the winner. Matthaus was just a yard off him, but it was enough. One moment of skill that decided the game. Back to 2014, and Germany were affected by a bug in the camp, which may have been the reason Klose got to start the game. It didn’t seem to affect their performance. Efficient is a cliché when talking about the Germans, and was used sure enough by the TV studio pundits. Maybe consistent is an alternative. Whichever way you look at it, they have made the last four of this competition on four consecutive occasions and plenty of times before that. There is something in their mentality that is able to make the difference in tight significant matches. Joachim Low for Arsenal anyone?

Brazil v Colombia: This was a far more open encounter, although the referee gets low marks for allowing open season on James Rodriguez, who was quite obviously targeted for specialist attention by the Brazilian midfield. You could sense the release of tension the opening goal brought even through the TV screen. It was exciting, but at times, a little scrappy. Colombia were a little too cautious initially and would have been better slugging it out from the first whistle. Fancied to cause an upset in some quarters, they certainly might have, but their defending let them down at the corner and there is not much you can say about David Luiz’ goal other than to take your hat off. Although Tiago Silva will miss the semi, in a strange kind of way, playing Dante against players he will be more familiar facing may be no bad thing. However, the suspicion is that without Neymar, whose back injury means he will miss the remainder of the tournament, the team do not have the flair required to overcome the Germans, even at home. Think Italy 1994 without Roberto Baggio. Or Argentina 1990 without Diego Maradona. Players so important to the team, they nursed them through the tournament when in truth they were injured. So it was with Neymar. But Zuniga’s challenge put paid to that. It was pre-meditated and cynical, and wasn’t even yellow carded. Another example of the referee having a poor match. No danger of him getting the final. Zuniga was described as ‘mental’ by an e-mailer who did not even see the game last night, an impression formed by earlier displays. The art of injuring your most dangerous opponent lives on. In the midst of a finals with a great deal to recommend it, as the stakes get higher, the dark arts are forming a black cloud on the horizon.

Argentina v Belgium: I have been trying to put my finger on who exactly Argentina manager Alex Sabella looks like all tournament, and watching this match it struck me. He looks like a devastated Thunderbird. Still, no need for any feelings of sadness on his part at the end of this match. Belgium, quietly fancied by many due to the wealth of top players are their disposal, were exposed a little like the French team the day before. The reality is that they had not really been tested by a top team in the tournament up to this point, a consequence of FIFA’s ridiculous seedings, that put Switzerland above the likes of Italy, France and Holland. Belgium were fairly underwhelming until they started taking a few risks in the second half. Argentina though, had the better chances and should have won by more. That they have only won their matches so far by one goal does not matter, they are in the last four. The only thing that I would say is that, on the evidence I have seen so far of this tournament, Messi and company have perhaps not met a top team yet either. Whether they will step up their game in the semis remains to be seen, but they need to. They have done what they need to up to this point, but aside from Messi’s skill and Mascherano’s ability to break up play, simply have not looked particularly good. Arguably, they are the worst team of the four semi-finalists, although a Neymar-less Brazil hardly convinces either. Still, it’s all about winning matches, so on that score, they are doing what’s required.

Holland v Costa Rica: Regarded as the most one-sided of the quarter finals, this turned out to be the only one that went to a penalty shoot-out to decide the winner. Granted, Costa Rica far exceeded expectations, and played with incredible organization and spirit. Their offside trap was surely the most effective in these finals. And yet, they offered so little going forward for the vast majority of the 120 minutes that you could only really love them on the principal of backing the underdog. In terms of entertainment, it was more about denial than creation. Real attack v defence stuff. Did I really want to see more of this in the semi-final? The answer was no, so I was willing Holland to go through, not least because I did stick a bet on a Germany v Holland final (at 15/2) before the last eight matches. The decision to sub the keeper for the penalty shoot out almost didn’t work for the pure reason that Van Gaal seemed to leave it so late to make the switch. I wondered if the ball would actually go out of play in time. I have to admit that the prospect of seeing Van Gaal at Manchester United makes for a far more interesting prospect than David Moyes. It might not do Arsenal any favours, but at least it should make for a more entertaining Premier League. What this game did show is that a concentrated gameplan can foil the Dutch, even if at times Costa Rica rode their luck.

What the four quarter finals did confirm is that as the stakes get higher, the number of goals per game is likely to dwindle. There were only five in four matches. With less margin for error, less of the adventurous attacking football of the group stages is there to enjoy, and yet, with the stakes so high, the tension itself can be entertaining. And there is generally a point after about 75 minutes when the games have opened up completely, although that didn’t really happen until later in the Holland game because neither team was ahead. We are left with a couple of mouth-watering semi-finals to look forward to. I will post some thoughts on those after they have both been played.

To wrap up today, another memory from the trip. Adam bought a hardback version of the current Panini sticker album out there from a bookstall in a Salvador shopping mall, which he was not aware was available anywhere outside Brazil. He is a member of some Panini WhatsApp group or something similar. Although I don’t collect the stickers myself, I fully understand that there are many adults who still collect the things come the World Cup edition every four years, a phenomenon we had to explain to Sanj. It was a chuckle to hear Adam state he would get real kudos amongst his fellow collectors for having got hold of a hardback edition.


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  1. A Cornish Gooner

    Jul 12, 2014, 17:37 #53711

    BADARSE. First of all I have to admit that I don’t actually have an understanding of Jack London. Like Ozzie I looked him up. I have never read any of his work, or any of Jack Kerouac. I am a bibliophile but unfortunately I am both a slow reader and too easily distracted. I don’t really have any favourite authors, prefer crime novels, and am currently reading ‘I Am Pilgrim’ by Terry Hayes. I am more of a cruciverbalist. Re. Charlie’s running, as I mentioned a while ago, has he considered joining a running club? You mentioned your daughter. Would I be completely wrong in thinking you also have a son (Charlie’s dad) of about 40?

  2. BADARSE

    Jul 12, 2014, 12:43 #53704

    You could be a shining light in the Online Gooner virtual Book Club debates Tinman. What favourite authors do you have worth a mention, or any book titles?

  3. BADARSE

    Jul 12, 2014, 12:21 #53703

    Hi Tinman, yes I saw and with distractions overlooked a response. Wolf Larsen-wow! 'Don't interrupt me-I am smiling.' Rhetorical or otherwise Frank gets my vote, he would beyond anyone, but it's horses for courses in many instances. Wolf was godlike, frighteningly so. A character with such conviction, perhaps the most in any fictional work. Glad to see you have an understanding of Jack London-what a remarkable individual, what a mind. Charlie last ran on 10th May and that afternoon after footie training he suffered his muscle tear. Today was his first run, apart from a school athletics meeting last week when he won four golds, (bit overstated, but evidence of today's super-hype, so much to be thankful for gleaned from Sky and our red tops). I think two runs to break his PB.

  4. A Cornish Gooner

    Jul 12, 2014, 11:44 #53702

    BADARSE {Onlinegooner arts editor/critic) Another good display by the grandson. Glad to see he's back running. I wish my injuries only took six weeks to heal. Did you see my Wolf Larsen question vesterday?

  5. BADARSE

    Jul 12, 2014, 8:22 #53694

    Athoz, how can I read any of your writings? I have really good long sight but from here to there? out of the question, even for me. Too much too soon perhaps but a wonderful metaphysical theme is a novel by Bo Fowler, 'Scepticism Inc.' A well-written book, amusing, and enlightening-it answers many questions people might have, and in doing so explores the narrowness of 'unthinkers'. Which region do you 'be' in?

  6. BADARSE

    Jul 12, 2014, 8:01 #53693

    Good evening my dear Athoz. Haiku. My daughter wrote one as a seven years old-though I had no idea that the 'Haiku' was a recognised style, I just knew that what she had written was beautiful,(she is still a beautiful woman of almost forty five years). Her poem: 'It is hot. The sun is shining. A tree is dying.' I have one for you: 'Crossed wide ocean to Arsenal. Shirt seventeen, Haiku appears on my back. Cannon displayed across my breast.' Parkrun shortly for my wife and grandson, he has been nursing a football-induced groin strain for six weeks.

  7. Ozzie

    Jul 12, 2014, 6:37 #53692

    Bad, haven't read many novels as too much into metaphysical for too long. Last few years have been regularly writing haiku and essay and whatever else dashes forth from my extreme moods both high and on the edge - you would find some of my raw writing interesting. We aren't all household names but no less worthy of note. I once read one of my pieces at a gathering and the audience was sort of left spellbound - the atmosphere was magic - one of those rare moments where we seemed to be one wave - like the Invincibles at their fluent best :-)

  8. BADARSE

    Jul 11, 2014, 12:42 #53646

    Athoz I have a penchant for novels, though have read countless other types of book. I also have many favourite authors, some living, some not. When I visit someone I scan for books and music to give a bit of background to the person, it isn't an infallible gauge but it can colour a picture already sketched. I measure my books in the 'to read' pile in inches-currently I have around one foot nine inches outstanding. Jack London was a good man who was a principled defender of certain causes, (perhaps we could do with his sort in central midfield), he was a drinker, a trade unionist, and a scrapper. Unfairly intelligent compared to his peers and an adventurer. What isn't there to like already? He is most famous for his novels from the Yukon, 'White Fang' and 'Call of the Wild'. When I travel wherever possible I visit areas, homes or regions of favourite authors. I went to Oakland, San Francisco with my wife and had the privilege of seeing his log cabin transported back and re-erected in California-that was nice. Philomena is a good film, I am so critical you wouldn't believe it, so it passed my acid test. I have a great deal of respect for Judi Dench and she acted so well, however I personally think Steve Coogan just edged her. He also co-wrote the screenplay and helped produce the film so that was a big statement on his part. The real hero though was Martin Sixsmith. The journalist who first encountered Philomena, reluctantly got involved, challenged and bossed the authorities, then carried the baton unswervingly by writing a book of her circumstances. The film is a fairly accurate depiction seemingly. I hope you enjoy the book and film Young Gun. I will be starting an Online Gooner virtual Film Society in late August,that's if I can find the key to the cupboard where I keep my old 'standard 8' projector.

  9. BADARSE

    Jul 11, 2014, 9:59 #53632

    Busy but be back soon to continue Athoz. The Sea Wolf by Jack London. Electrifying prose, it sparks and crackles. Get it, read it, enjoy it...to be continued.

  10. Ozzie

    Jul 11, 2014, 9:44 #53631

    Bad, thanks for the tip, Philomena looks most interesting and have ordered through ebay. Also looked up Jack London, wow, have just read some of his quotes have to buy his book now - what do you suggest? I knew there was a reason I was drawn to you. Thank goodness for the Gooner, what? :-)

  11. BADARSE

    Jul 10, 2014, 15:42 #53612

    I just did a Jack London-Star Rover journey and found myself sitting quietly in your garden in the dark, lit only by moonlight. The night sky was beautiful but had no idea I was secretly peeking at it. Joy brother, always short of a brother or two-I just can't get enough, though I have one or two on this website. Money, wealth, status, power can all be corrupting influences. Don't ever give up on the notion that everything has passed, Malcolm MacDonald never did! There are still kindred spirits who see the world in a similar way, even if we are all one-eyed jacks. Some can see more beauty with one eye than others with two. Have you watched the film 'Philomena'? Different circumstances but of a genre with your plight chum? Least I think in those terms. Some countries are draconian and remember this, no one in Canada can take a photo if they have a wooden leg...they need a camera!

  12. Ozzie

    Jul 10, 2014, 13:24 #53603

    G'day Badarse, hmm, interesting. No guarantee Manure will have it all their way this year? I didn't take to RVP from the outset - I do read through body language and speech very easily, probably a tool I sharpened early as part of a survival mechanism. You're so right about the relationships and selective perception. Guilty! What gets me, though, is how we lived when there was a sense of belonging and loyalty between club and player and even in general, I guess. Money is obviously the motivating factor now. What these players are "earning" in a fortnight I can live on for a year. Surely these players don't need all this money? Are they happy? Boy, they must live in a tiny bubble. Thank goodness we can smell the roses, be enchanted by the night sky (assuming you can see the stars?) and, heaven forbid, sit quietly with own thoughts :-) Peace, brother

  13. BADARSE

    Jul 10, 2014, 12:19 #53598

    Hello julesd, LvG certainly has a fearsome hairstyle, and it would be quite funny to see Robbie Savage trying to wax lyrical about the competition, and then chuckle as his head exploded. 'That would be Robbie Savage all over'.

  14. jeff wright

    Jul 10, 2014, 9:38 #53591

    It was noticeable how biased toward Holland the ITV commentator was last night - and also the panel. Ian Wright and Dixon had tipped Argentina all through the tournament but switched to Holland before the game .They got it all wrong in their pre-match assessment of the game only the Italian suggested a draw and penalties was likely.,but that's nothing new. The commentators voice rose 5 decibels whenever Persie was on the ball near goal and it's Manchester United striker ROBIN VAN PERSIE!!, nothing ever transpired to justify the hysteria though. Van Gaal was referred to fawningly as being a tactical genius ,again though results failed to live up to the hype. I thought the Argies just edged the game in open play and were obviously superior in the penalty shootout.

  15. julesd

    Jul 10, 2014, 9:10 #53589

    Glad the cheating Dutch are out. Some bad decisions by LVG but our media will worship him. By Christmas he'll be labelled best foreign coach ever to work in UK.

  16. BADARSE

    Jul 10, 2014, 8:26 #53586

    Evening Athoz. It is strange how we see people after a while, depending on events. We paper over the cracks when it suits, then tear down the wallpaper after a split. The same criteria applies in any situation with relationships. It assuages the rejection I suppose. Yes van Persie wasn't the nicest individual, but he wore our shirt and a blind eye was turned. Suddenly the scales fall from the eyes and we see him for what he is/was? All around idols come tumbling down. The Netherlands are out, van Persie has a new manager, and time on his footballing career at the highest level will soon be called. Oh yes, his new manager-you know the one heralded for his astute and original thinking which gave us the Krul substitution, the same one who substituted van Persie just before the end, arguably their best spot-kick taker. Who then sent Vlaar a nervous penalty taker up as the first. Mmm, interesting.

  17. Ozzie

    Jul 10, 2014, 7:48 #53585

    I loved those boys of '71 too. Lucky enough to be in England at the time. @DW, you say RVP seems to have become a most egotistical player? Never cared for him, myself. It used to get my dander up watching him tap in a pin point pass then rush to the side with arms raised as though to say: "Look at ME everyone - look what I did." And where was he when Arsenal needed him? Stroking his lil ankle! Or was it his ego? I'm glad he went as the game is about teamwork, not one player stealing the limelight.

  18. BADARSE

    Jul 09, 2014, 22:03 #53576

    I wanted Big Raddy but will settle for Alexis Sanchez...please?

  19. Ron

    Jul 09, 2014, 20:43 #53570

    Hi BADARSE - that typo has gone down well mate ha. 'The Sours'. It does fit. I loved those boys of 71 mate too as you know. Whatever we all say and think these days though, its a privilege to have grown up a Gunner. Thanks Dad! RIP fella. I still owe you one.

  20. BADARSE

    Jul 09, 2014, 20:37 #53568

    You've been flying high ever since though Ron-I'm owning that 'Sours' tag by the way, ha ha. Big Raddy was always the thorn in their side, (or soft underbelly). I want a Big Raddy to reappear, how I miss those boys of '71, what a class they were-mind the lads and lasses on here are not so bad either, are they. Good old Arsenal. jj you are the Salvador Dali of the Online Gooner-quite an amazing chappy.

  21. Ron

    Jul 09, 2014, 19:48 #53562

    DW - Im right with you there pal. BADARSE - Recall you saying you was at those LC semis some time ago. Lucky chap. I was just getting my wings as a Gunner then.

  22. jjetplane

    Jul 09, 2014, 19:48 #53561

    Nice one BADARSe and as you have said before - that is the way of the crumbling cosmic cookie. Same stuff at the Emirates where meaningful amounts of people nonchalantly pass time in the way they do at a gallery or some has-to-be-seen play while kids across the road roam on mopeds with knives at the ready. Meanwhile the average kid with a ball has no safe place to kick it. As you say, the train ain't stopping for anyone. Reminds me of that title of a James Baldwin Book. Tell me how long the trains' been gone. Still - football cuts through in it's shifting guises and now I have a Muller fixation increased by some punter saying 'would you spend your money watching him'? I'm watching him with my mind's eye and that's free. He had a quiet game last night - now that's football power. Up the Arsenal!

  23. Ron

    Jul 09, 2014, 19:36 #53560

    Ha ha. Finsbury J - love your posts buddy. Cant see why folk give you a hard time on here. Mate, there are those of us Goons who tried a bit of both of what you say was the case!!

  24. DW Thomas

    Jul 09, 2014, 19:03 #53559

    The options: Efficiency, diving, or skill? Germ., Nether., and Arg. I'll take Arg. Every time. I agree some games can't be a joy to watch, but this is the WC! The earlier stages were great, sort of petered out now. Sure 7-1 is entertaining but not in a great way. Again disappointing for Brazil, more the nation than players. But they have won it 5 times, non? Would love to see a class Dutch side win it one year soon, just not this team. RVP seems to have become a most egotistical player and Robben, while good, does too many irrittating things to enjoy only his positive moments. Can't stand when any player gets hit with minimal contact and acts like they just got their leg chopped off. One of the worst parts of the sport. And no, Arsenal players are not innocent of it either. So come on Messi! Show us a game where you dominate, create, and destroy the Orange. Then win the final and us Gooners can go back to our debates involving the best club in the world. And I do mean Arsenal!

  25. BADARSE

    Jul 09, 2014, 19:01 #53558

    True jj, the nouveaux riche of Brazil may stretch right down to the 'just above the waterline' cash-strapped masses, but are way up in the clouds compared to those who are sinking without trace below the bread line. If people buy into the 'we are worth it' mentality then any revelation of ordinariness is a shock to the system. When everything around is grubby, then you still have football, (the ordinary person's panacea); when that escape into fantasy is denied it reveals the reality. For those people in the stadium it was a lesson too difficult to bare. Outside in the streets the ordinary and underprivileged will no doubt react. Still, we don't have to worry about the corruption and social emotional upheaval, leading to whatever protests that can be mustered. It will probably be kept in check until the visitors go home, but what a flimsy, plastic reason as a catalyst for dissatisfaction-losing a football match. Ron and Tinman, I was at both legs against the Sours, (just wanted to see what it felt like to type-I like it).

  26. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jul 09, 2014, 18:43 #53557

    Ron, your theory, or prediction might have been blown away but that's all they were, some of us have no problem airing or making them, or the courage to if you like, others just revel in coming on usually in the name of OGL and scoring points by telling those that did they were wrong, with the benefit of hindsight of course.

  27. jjetplane

    Jul 09, 2014, 17:44 #53556

    Attention. Colonel is indeed very busy according to some journalists who are bored with fag breaks and ****ing around with their x boxes. Looks like we are in for more fast midfield types at 100thou a week who skip past unfit PL defenders unless they happen to kick them up in the air. If all these players are signing on who all smack of the new black which is versatility, then who will be surplus to requirements especially if 'reports about Diaby' are true (no laughing at the back). I see 3 going and two coming and then we can really go for the CL. It really is there for the taking. Seriously. See Maureen has given his full support to the Brazilian effort. Have to do more than that to get your boys back 'from the clinic'. See how many nameless Brazilians who lost their homes so the educated classes can have a good cry in collapsing caverns (metaphors my dears)? Fuseball - who wants it?

  28. Finsbury Joe

    Jul 09, 2014, 17:31 #53555

    The trouble with us Spurs fans is we always think we're better than we are while goons always think their worse than they are. I went to school in the sixties the Spurs fans tended to be those who had just got into football from the double year a lot of trendies, while the Arsenal fans were mainly deep thinkers or hooligans.

  29. jeff wright

    Jul 09, 2014, 17:04 #53554

    Charlie, stop trying to sit on the fence ,do you think that the Germans will win the cup or not,ja or nine vill do mine herr. I actually said that the Germans could beat Brazil the post is there to prove it so give it a rest please,I said it was a tough call but I would go for Brazil taking account of home advantage I was wrong and Brazil were pony but despite the score the Germans still look suspect at the back and the final will be a different game again. So what are you trying to prove ,surely not that Ozil and Mertesacker are top class ? They were in fact the two worst German players last night !Per only got a start because the hun were 5-0 up bar from some good work from the German GK at the opening of the second half when plodding Per was in harness it could easily have been 5-4 ! Hey,can't wait to see the Argies , or even the flying Dutchman Robben, running past those German defenders standing around like traffic wardens waving them on toward goal.

  30. Mike

    Jul 09, 2014, 16:40 #53553

    Jeff - yep carry on writing Germany off as they managed to go through the last 16, quaters and semis with you writing them off every round - your running out of options - they are now in the finals so at least you have 50% chance of being right. I will then admire your superior football knowledge.

  31. jjetplane

    Jul 09, 2014, 16:02 #53552

    Only just saw the Brazil (Arsenal) humilation and could not stop laughing at those 'fans' in the stadium crying because having been bothered to accept probably free tickets and cancelling restaurant seats those clowns (back three - it's in the hair) had the temerity to think they were still in some advert or minor past glory as that man (Muller) got the German ball (army - don't mention) moving in quite sublime pincer/panzer/pansie movements. OK - enough of the silliness. BFG is what he is - a tadpole in an ocean of football. Ozil is more like a fully grown tadpole in a decorated pond in a harem of sorts. He could have at least made it eight, but was too tired and rich for such vulgarity as having a killer instinct. The Colonel has taught him well. Now, a little word about Maureen who has been very quiet of late. Do I see hard activity selling Oscar, William for princely sums to any number of Turkish/Russian clubs (trending) and now awarding German irritant with mucho wonga and starting place. A lot can happen when you are up the river with a microphone for a paddle. Nice one MacGuire on the Diaby Moonie sitcom. BADArSE I liked RON'S Sour terminology too. That will stick as live culture to a stinking bottle of festering whiteness. ps WC has been a right old circus but that bleeding Muller kid methinks is the most interesting player on ze planet at ze moment. Methinks also the tempo which ze Joimans play their football is born out of much laboratory testing (older models inclu. Frankenstein) and now have ze (shuttit!) 'right' formula for a form of world domination. Muller - scar on the brow, smile on the face - a killing machine. Can Messi stop them? Or Robben? Not RVP - he's got a sore tummy. Try and imagine Muller (lite) with a sore tummy - thought not.

  32. Ron

    Jul 09, 2014, 15:43 #53551

    Bra v Ger was just one of those freak games that happen. Bra arent much good (my views on Fred were aired well before his own fans hammered him last night) but Ger arent brilliant either. Ive no great affection for Arg or Holland but hope Arg beat them. Holland have been the WC s worst cheats in my view courtesy mainly of RVP and Robben. Have the feeling Arg will win the WC. As has been said they have players who can penetrate those statues at the back for GER. Hes one of ours but Mertersacker is a poor defender, though im guessing Loew wont risk him v Arg.Still, what do i know? My theory of the WC being fixed for Bra has been blown away.

  33. DW Thomas

    Jul 09, 2014, 15:30 #53550

    Ok. I get the support of Wenger, I really do. If come the season he has truly strengthened to compete to win, not just 4th, then I will let the chips fall. Yet, to think Sanchez or anyone comes to Arsenal just for Arsene or as a primary reason, I just can't fathom it. Sure, there is some weight, but CL football and $$$ is the key. But, what point in getting top players if those around the, aren't good enough, in ALL positions. Brazil's team yesterday was a once in a lifetime event. I think they will do what Germany did in2002 and rethink their structure. Then, mark my words, watch out. For the first time ever I can't really think of any Brazil player I like, even their names are now so boring! They lacked cohesion, didn't mark tight enough, and had no heart. Sound familiar? Same thing we Arsenal fans see too many times a season in key games against key rivals. Bernard looked decent and trying, but the others seemed off, something was way wrong,they had no belief. I have watched most of the games and Germany is not that great a team. Yes they work super hard, have good technical ability, and have depth. All help. But saying Brazil wasn't terrible just aint being honest! We'll see what this season brings for us Gooners. Love to see us start the season positive, with a strong squad. Stay healthy and go toe to toe with all! When has that last happened? Oh to be feared again! Like the Brazil of old!

  34. jeff wright

    Jul 09, 2014, 15:08 #53548

    Charlie, I'm still writing Germany off son ,I think that Argentina will win the cup. However, if the clog wearers should prevail tonight and beat the Argies then I will support the Deutsches. They have let me down though in the past when I backed them to beat the senors of tiki taka,so my stakes will be minimal on them - and if Messi and co win tonight I will increase my stake on them to win the final .With their lethal forwards looking well able to take advantage of the dodgy German defence where lesser sides have so far failed to do . As I recall it this German side did an Arsene not long ago in the qualifiers and lost a 4-0 lead ,at home ! At least our tactical genius was away to Newcattle when he managed it.Anyway Charlie keep on talking up the hun even though you obviously have no idea what you are going on about and it's all related anyway to just more of your well known AKB nonsense.

  35. Ron

    Jul 09, 2014, 15:08 #53547

    CG - Good memory indeed pal. You're right on Baldwin too. I liked him. Not many did!! I can recall Graham and maybe Terry Neill or was it Addison scoring in the 4-0 that's all? It was my first NLD. What a feeling it was! Raddie scored in both legs of that LC Semi as i recall.

  36. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jul 09, 2014, 14:47 #53546

    DW, yes i doubt very much we'll see Scolari there after the WC there's not many countries or clubs who like to keep a manager after humiliations apart from Arsenal of course. At least we know how the Brazilians are feeling although they seemed/seem to be taking it a lot harder than we did, i suppose they're not as used to them as we are. Yes a lot have slagged Diaby off and it's good to see him training again and he may still have a career, he'll make a great Astronaut.

  37. Mike

    Jul 09, 2014, 14:41 #53545

    Jeff is clutching at straws again trying to justify his comments - sorry mate but you were very quick to write Germany off after their draw with the USA saying they would be packing their bags very soon after Englands demise. Anyhow they are now in the final after demolishing favoutrites Brazil even though they carry sub-standard players like Ozil and BFG. That put pay to another theory from a regular writer here that Brazil were going to win come what may becuase the tournament was essentially rigged. It will be an upset for the books if it were to be an all European final

  38. A Cornish Gooner

    Jul 09, 2014, 14:22 #53544

    Ron. Re. the Sours games you mention. Yes Raddie did score in the second leg of the '68 semi. A brilliant header in the angle of post and crossbar. Greaves equalised, leaving a nervous last few minutes. Remember singing Raddies name to Lilly the Pink on the way home with all the other Gooners. The other game is still my favourite NLD too. Baldwin wasn't involved. By that time he'd gone to Chelsea when we got Graham. It was Graham's wedding the day of the game and Terry Venables was his best man! As you say it was our first significant win for years, and seemed at the time to be a real turning point. I remember rushing to Cockfosters station to buy a copy of The Evening News to read the report. The headline was 'Arsenal Thrash Spurs 4-0'.

  39. BADARSE

    Jul 09, 2014, 14:16 #53543

    Hi maguiresbridge, my best mate and I want to say chill. Everyone has the right to criticise and you for one exercise that right; equally people have the right to say you may be over-egging it. On this site it is just posting-tennis and no one really worries too much. Occasionally irritation occurs, a wrong or spiteful word slips in, but usually it's just silliness. In the real world relationships would wither or grow, here we just go around and around as if we are in limbo. You and jj are fine lads, in fact there are letters in the post inviting you both to the Online Gooner virtual knee-knocking contest. Bring your own knees with you, or alternatively hire a pair once here. If you use your own they mustn't be sharpened or doctored in any way. Please adhere to the regulations, as you two have a reputation with low down joints.

  40. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jul 09, 2014, 14:03 #53542

    BADARSE, i've never heard anyone slagging off Arsenal or running them down on here unless they're a spud of course, or when we've been humiliated and there's been plenty of those (and it's been well debated why they happened and who's fault they were) but should we not? should we not let the team know what we think just because we're Arsenal supporters? there's been to much sitting by like little sheep and saying nothing by some with OGL. Ah dear old arsene apparently he's a therapist now (so many talents)is a different matter there is a difference even though some including yourself i suggest, and indeed your best mate (who i won't bother replying to as jj has said all that needs to be said there) think there's not, he doesn't own the club, he's not Arsenal he didn't form them (although some think he did) he's just an employee and not beyond criticism in any way, and i've no doubt whatsoever there will be ample opportunities for more of that this season again.

  41. jeff wright

    Jul 09, 2014, 13:43 #53541

    Sorry Afters, misread your post, but it doesn't change the fact that the Germans lost in the final to Brazil.These current German players have also lost other finals recently to Spain who the Dutch knocked out in the first round of this one. It's all roundabouts and swings apart from last night when they were given lots of time and space to show how clinical ,apart from Ozil, they can be in finishing the facts are that when faced with quick opponents such as Algeria they have struggled and relied on their excellent GK to to save them. He made some great stops in the opening period of the second half last night to keep the score against his side down.

  42. jjetplane

    Jul 09, 2014, 13:23 #53540

    Another great strike partnership has to be Giroud and Sanago. Remember 'just like watching Brazil'. Now the current Arsenal can own that song particularly if the groundhogs come back for seconds. Imagine the freakiness of playing Chelski away with their Brazilian residue and one irritating German and letting in 4 goals in a matter of minutes. That would be a shock if that were ever to happen again on Colonel Arsene Kurtz's watch. Who needs tweets when you got lotsa bleats baaaaaaaaaaaaa ........

  43. Paul Pudd

    Jul 09, 2014, 13:01 #53539

    Can you read??? "....the 5-1 result in the qualifier for the 2002 world cup".

  44. jeff wright

    Jul 09, 2014, 12:55 #53538

    Afters... yaaaaaaaaaaaaawn... there is no point to miss. For starters the England 5-1 thrashing of the Deutsche was not in a tournament as you claimed ,it was in a qualifying group for the World Cup ,so try and get your facts right before changing your name and pretending that you have not read my moderate posts before and then posting abusive to me nonsense is my advice to you. However, for the record Brazil beat Germany in the final of the tournament that you mentioned and Phil Scolari was their manager. It's all roundabouts and swings football - many of those players in the German side last night who play for Bayern and us have been on the receiving end of similiar embarrassing canings themselves recently .BM were trashed by Real Madrid in the European Cup semi at home,laugh while you are winning eh ! Cry and sob when you lose, Gaza left a legacy after Italia 90 and now it's the norm . Who will be crying tonight and on Sunday ? I'm going for the diving cheating Robben tonight and the Germans on Sunday, of course I could be guessing wrong but I have a financial interest in the Argies winning that makes me a little biased toward their chances. Other than this I'm not really fussed who wins other than hoping that it's not the Dutch. I really should do a Lee Arsene FC though and come on after the games to celebrate whoever wins and then do a Westie by claiming it's all down to Arsene ! You couldn't make it up.

  45. Chris

    Jul 09, 2014, 12:50 #53537

    Bard - There's an article on Arseblog on reports that suggest Wenger was the decisive factor in Sanchez' reported decision.... So maybe Westie wasn't as far off the mark as you suppose!

  46. kilkenny cat

    Jul 09, 2014, 12:42 #53536

    Germany,s dismantling of Brazil,was the best team performance ive seen. Forget how bad Brazil were. This was a world cup semi in their own back yard. Germany were stunning. Good banter and wind ups going on. Finsbury Joe... u must be Irish to be that good at blaggarding. Stapleton and Sunderland were my favourite duo,though Charlie and big Niall were personal favourites too. The best is undoubtably Bergkamp and anyone. DB was just a genius. Outside of our club, Rush and Dalglish were awesome.

  47. BADARSE

    Jul 09, 2014, 12:40 #53535

    24601 I am genuinely pleased for your season's returns, as they say oop north, you don't get owt for nowt. Working at it is the key, of course, disappointing when the rewards don't follow from the graft and application, but doubley satisfying when they do. Go and kill 'em fella. Walker's Crisps.

  48. Paul Pudd

    Jul 09, 2014, 11:55 #53534

    There we go - completely missing the point as usual! :0)

  49. jeff wright

    Jul 09, 2014, 11:37 #53533

    Yawn,who won it?

  50. Paul Pudd

    Jul 09, 2014, 11:30 #53532

    Jeff Wright - got out the wrong side of bed this morning? Or are you like this every day? Regarding your earlier comment about the Germans, it was only a matter of time before someone brought up the 5-1 result in the qualifier for the 2002 world cup. Who got to the final of that tournament?

  51. jeff wright

    Jul 09, 2014, 10:51 #53530

    It was like watching Arsenal away that Brazil performance last night. Liverpool,the Bridge ,etc last season.Even some of the Chelsea players were involved albeit on the winning side in the case of the German ones like Per and Ozil this must have been a relief !So then it looks like a French defender from Newcastle inferior to Sagna that he replaces and a punt on striker from La Liga, with Suarez replacing him and last season's coach at Barca also gone with the tiki taka . A change of tactics looks on the cards for the Catalans - but fear not tippy tappy will still be on show at Arsene's theatre and he is bringing in the players to play it.

  52. Seven Kings Gooner

    Jul 09, 2014, 10:15 #53529

    Guys are you sure it is the same Sanchez - I heard we are bringing back Sanchez Watts from Colchester!

  53. Westlower

    Jul 09, 2014, 10:12 #53528

    @Badarse, Won't have the time to post again until Sunday. It's a busy week ahead with the July festival starting at Newmarket tomorrow until Saturday. Much prep work to do, pedigrees, form, ground, distance, draw, etc, then getting the best prices in the betting village to balance the books. It's really hard and often mundane work keep thumbing over the same form lines over & over. Like most aspects of life the harder you work at something......I'm currently nudging a 100% profit on turnover, which is virtually impossible to sustain as I usually end up between 30-50%. Sometime next week I hope to be reading of our new signings are on board. Traditionally AFC usually announce such news on Friday's.

  54. Bard

    Jul 09, 2014, 9:29 #53527

    I thought I read Sanchez wants to live on London rather than up north. I didn't get to read about his coaching preferences Westie. Where did you read that he preferred Wengers coaching to Rogers. It's a fascinating insight into him. I was of the opinion footballers would play for Mikey Mouse if the money was right. Or did you make that up about the coaching ?

  55. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Jul 09, 2014, 9:08 #53526

    re Spuds; the "glory glory nights" were a media-fuelled invention, as Spurs sometimes went through the European tie and sometimes didn't. The fact that they often had to retrieve a first-leg away deficit is more telling isn't it. Kind of like the Bale HT in Milan, you'd think they'd won the tie afterwards wouldn't you? Oh hold on, they were 4-0 down at half time. Growing up as kid in the 70's and 80's it was Tottenham who all the trendies at school supported, whilst us Arsenal fans were seen as a bit sad. Granted, they had the upper hand for a short period around 1981-1983 but normal service was soon resumed. And if you want a frigging good laugh go on Youtube and search for Wiggy and Kleiny "Spurs fans rant about Arsenal's FA Cup Final" there is one particular w****r tellng us who he is and generally giving it large well we know who you are now don't we you stupid c**t. Sorry to get in a rant but that sums their fans up to me

  56. Westlower

    Jul 09, 2014, 8:52 #53525

    Talking of great strike partnerships; Hulk & Fred anyone? The Sanchez transfer is looking more likely as Barcelona need some stage payment money to acquire Dracula. Speaks volumes for the financial state of the game that top club Barca have to buy players in installments. Perhaps they should be sponsored by ON THE NEVER, NEVER.com or maybe the time has arrived for clubs to rent out their star players to stop the extravagant spenders from falling foul of FFP? Variation on the established supermarket BOGOF, rent one, get one free or ROGOF! It's ironic that Alexis Sanchez doesn't fancy being coached by dynamic young Brendan Rodgers! He knows he's better off being coached by a wise old man.

  57. BADARSE

    Jul 09, 2014, 8:25 #53524

    Morning Ron, was that a typo? Either way it was funny-'The Sours', ha ha.

  58. Ron

    Jul 09, 2014, 8:13 #53523

    Hi Finsbury J - Well, its either clever or sad mate, im not quite sure. Recall that LC Semi well. I never went to it. I think Raddie scored for us? To be honest, by then i think the Spurs top dog of NL status had slipped. Sept of 67 saw us destroy you 4-0 at Highbury (still my fav NLD to this day) and that was the first significant win v Spurs for us for 4-5 years. It was the team of Wilson Sammels Radford Graham et al. I think even Tommy Baldwin was doing the business for us too. We were on the move again then whereas Greavesie Gilly and Mullery and Co were in decline. I always think the Spurs hegemony in NL lasted from 61 to 66 really, though even then the NLD was close more often than not. I think the Spurs teams of the early 80s and later 80s were good to watch. Always a bit brittle though. Burkinshaw gave Spurs a nice balance of guile and grit in the early 80s, yet typical Spurs they treated him awfully. I think had he have stayed you would have become a really good side under him at that time. Obviously im not an insider on matters Spurs and you lot may have felt differently, but since then there has been some of the most poor and often bizarre choice of coaches at Spurs. It makes the Club a bit of a laughing stock. The coach gets paid well there though and i think its one of those jobs that guys take, not really bothering about making Spurs successful and not concerned with being sacked either as the pay off is always good, plus theres never any successful forerunner in the post to look bad against, hence no dent to reputation. A bit like the Toon job.Its a vicious circle for Spurs. That hideous looking fool Levy couldn't pick his nose, never mind a Coach. Im surprised the owner of Sours keeps him employed.

  59. BADARSE

    Jul 09, 2014, 7:50 #53522

    DWT, lovely to see the positive side showing, these posts only give a snapshot and too much is placed on the one-eyed assessments-good for you Gooner. @ Tinman, the Prof deserved his moment in the sun don't you think? He did give only three tips for the WC and all three made it to the S/Fs, and also said the lads from blighty would come home early. Even yesterday before the game he insisted there would be no oles. Personally I think it was westlower inviting him for a cuppa teapot and two and a bit queercumber sandwiches which gave him the edge, after all he is the tipster, (congratulations on a good season young man). Even Scolari is prone to the early match onslaught chaps, just an observation. If you piece together some criticisms from this site you would be left with the understanding that no one on this planet,(or outside the other three who make the top four in the PL, that is barring AFC who naturally achieve this by default), can play football well...er, perhaps it's the game guys, what do you think? DWT, Rivelino and Jairzinho?

  60. DW Thomas

    Jul 09, 2014, 5:10 #53521

    Meant to type "young Zelalem". Darn autocorrect! One last thing. Brazil looked as if they just didn't care. Shell shocked. Germany nowhere near that good. What,happened to the days of Ronaldhino, Ronaldo, Pele, Zico, Socrates, Garrincha, Romario and all the rest. Scratching my head on this one.

  61. DW Thomas

    Jul 09, 2014, 4:45 #53520

    If the Sanchez rumors are true, it's a great start! Add Remy and Debuchey and not bad at all. Even saw pics of Diaby training. Many slag him off, but he had a ton of talent and may still save his career. Imagine the new boys bedding in before the season begins for once. Also caught a glimpse of hound Zelalem. Another diamond in the rough. We'll see on all fronts, we shall wait and see. Oh the woe of Brazil today. Germany was made to look like world champions compared to that recent quarterfinal with France. Have to say Badarse, when yo get going with the gibberish, reminds me of Jar Jar Binks from Star Wars. Funny man! Love to see Germany vs. Argentina in the final. Robben I am not too fond of, nor the traitor. Used to love the Dutch. Gotta slight feeling Messi is saving his best for last. His team need to be there for him and he might get to Maradona's level. Brazil's loss reminded me of the 8-2 drubbing vs the Mancs. Think Scolari will stay in his job after that? Oh yeah, in most of the world that type of result is inexcusable!

  62. A Cornish Gooner

    Jul 09, 2014, 1:17 #53519

    BHA DARSE. I thought you'd promised to stay off the Unwin juice!

  63. BADARSE

    Jul 09, 2014, 0:06 #53518

    Bha-ha-ha. Bon nuit mon petit, pickled, pedalling, pregnant-panda, peccadillo, a demain.

  64. Pundit

    Jul 09, 2014, 0:05 #53517

    lee afc, if you were Brazilian would you still back Scolari until your FA 'told you otherwise'?

  65. jjetplane

    Jul 08, 2014, 23:55 #53516

    WESTIe do believe it is you who suffers said bleating condition. Tis hardly bleating to see OGL land on the moon while traversing one of the world's great rivers. Is it really too long a yarn to think OGL may not unearth not just one amazonian youth who has the vision of a big cat, and a small green phenomena who may do things that the world has been crying for with a ball. Do not give up hope - we are all in this together - right! Nice posts of late BADARSE - I detect no bleating in your general Karma Peace bro.

  66. jeff wright

    Jul 08, 2014, 23:31 #53515

    lee arsene fc you pathetic little glory hunter typically popping up again to wallow in the glory of a victory,ain't hindsight a wonderful thing! The great thing about the hun being 5-0 up at half time was that Low could risk sending on plodding Per to help keep a clean sheet,whoops! Hey great finish though from Ozil there at the end ! So the Germans have won the cup then have they ? Go back to sleep dumb - dumb you embarrass yourself every time you come out from hiding. I must add that the Brazilian defending was the worst from a top side playing at home that I have seen since England beat Germany 5-1 in Munich .

  67. BADARSE

    Jul 08, 2014, 23:04 #53514

    Well done lee afc, that's what I expect from you. I too feel very defensively when 'our' club is being run down. I would be up in arms at a party if a blue nose or Tiny Tott began slagging off the Arsenal, those same feelings are evoked on this website. However I learnt, albeit slowly to curb the reaction and walk away, or joke, or whatever it is that gets me through the night. Hold tight, Professor Stanley Unwin has just walked back in, 'What's that Professor?' 'Hellwholesome my younger manly, I diddle say no ole, and no ole singalong, then holdy westlower's horses, Branseal fannies sanguine 'Ole!' to the Germaloids, so it happenstance any who.

  68. lee afc

    Jul 08, 2014, 22:05 #53513

    Apologies baddie...firstly, I have not posted for a while but the `wright` has still run me down through my love for the red and white. Mr Wenger is contracted to the arse so I will back him until my club tells me differently......unfortunately Jeff cannot sing one single praise for the manager, rhe club or any world cup player.....so needless to say...I back my club in any given war of words....simple as...

  69. BADARSE

    Jul 08, 2014, 21:54 #53512

    Now now lee afc, you must be above that talk chum. Think differently. I have Professor Stanley Unwin here in the studio with me and he has something to say. 'Oh, all goodly boyson grills, such a fallolopping for poor yellowy Branseal. I diddle all weathers toll everywonderful, it Ozil 'The Germaloids'.

  70. lee afc

    Jul 08, 2014, 21:47 #53511

    Jeff Wright......posted 23.34pm...24 June.....`` the Germans will win nothing`` .....along with many, many, many opinionated, pathetic opinions that the man has..........Jeff...I've come to the conclusion you know diddly squat and you have far, far too much time on your hands....get a new website idiot....

  71. BADARSE

    Jul 08, 2014, 19:16 #53510

    Another nice story Seven Kings Gooner, poetic justice over the sneering sniffer.

  72. Westlower

    Jul 08, 2014, 19:02 #53509

    @Maguiresbridge, You are long overdue for some Wenger therapy. The guy has taken over your life! Try going out more or taking up counting bleating sheep, preferably good looking ones (babes, I think you call them). Whingers Often Bleat (WOB).

  73. Bard

    Jul 08, 2014, 18:57 #53508

    DWThomas: early days mate but I do agree there is a lot riding on this next season. If he makes a mess of the transfer window things could be decidedly tricky for him come Christmas. The rumours about Sanchez seem solid and that would be a great start. We might be able to get better signings on the back of if. Chelsea and Cteh are probably out of sight so it leaves us fighting for the remaining 2 places with Liverpool and Man U. Whatever we think about the club, the way is managed and Wenger himself he is not stupid he must know that a another pathetic transfer window will heap unbelievable amounts of pressure on him. It would be a form of footballing suicide. The signs so far are encouraging but then I've been here too many times before. Let's keep the powder dry till later

  74. BADARSE

    Jul 08, 2014, 18:32 #53507

    Ah there you is or be maggiesbridge goonad my olden fallolopping chapso, havealot been hidey undergrowth the tabletop? Or the cupboardly underseal the stairstep?. I tell of the post 55900 on that Juniper the eleventhalow. Diddy asken waistflower for a betty slip? No way ole? Shameless! I told alloften that it was the threetops for the cupalot. Goodenbyes that Juicy Rimlet and hideehi that of the womanly arms upstretchy holding the globular safety first in her handson, oh deep joy. Here we are togetherly and those threetops are in those demi finigals being the Germaloids, Branseal, and the Argonauts, and I toll them all alongside that those rascallywags Englestorm would comely home, and comely home they diddle. So forthwithly and up and onto the grassly go them all, fallolop and kicky bout until the sweaty dripson and the tearswell mingly for the team beaty badly, but look out of here the victorily marchy to the finigal, and I say goodlucky to them all.

  75. Finsbury Joe

    Jul 08, 2014, 18:24 #53506

    Ron,I went to Highbury in 1968 in the League cup we were supposed to have been top dogs in the sixties yet we played with ten defenders and lost 1-0 we never got out of our half the whole game, the following day we got praised for an excellent performance.If Arsenal did that you would get hammered. As I said earlier football is all about giving yourself a good reputation by creating the myth.We've never played good football yet we've managed to create the illusion that we do and Arsenal don't,now that is clever don't you agree.

  76. Seven Kings Gooner

    Jul 08, 2014, 18:17 #53505

    Alan Clarke - remember seeing him at Upton Park 1974 (I think Leeds won the league that year) he picked on John McDowell the West Ham full back and according to Mick McGiven, the West Ham centre back, McDowell suffered some really vile abuse from the charmer that was Clarke. West Ham were 1 - 0 down at the time and boy did Clarke's words back fire big time. Led by Billy Bonds the whole West Ham team tore into Leeds and gave one the best second half performances I have ever seen by any team to win 3-1. John McDowell went to my old school and was a good lad who made it big by playing for his local team. Clarke's abuse of that young player was answered in a very "old school" manner and West Ham left their mark on Clarke and the rest of the Leeds team. Revie's side were well beaten and were surprisingly roughed up by a Hammers team who were inspired by Clarke's big mouth. Still one of my favourite games of football.

  77. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jul 08, 2014, 18:01 #53504

    DW, even though his country men are long gone i'd bet he's still there alright hogging the limelight talking gibberish, and he's probably having his ego massaged to much to return home yet. And remember he might have to take his family holidays yet unless he has the family with him on this jolly and this is the family vacation, or maybe he intends to take the family on a cruise up the Amazon and try again for one of those super super quality strikers from the long lost tribe of pigmies he discovered. Or maybe he's going back to the moon on mission for sepp blatter to start a new intergalactic league with a promise he can keep half the money he generates, and first dibbs from all the best martians, along with a very prestigious friendly.

  78. BADARSE

    Jul 08, 2014, 16:45 #53503

    Ron, ever-thankful for those 'sliding doors' moments. Cross the road here and you are hit by a bus, go around the parked car to cross and you go home looking forward to Ruby for dinner. So too with AFC and the club down the Lane. How close a call could it have been with some folk, perhaps most? It's like being with my wife and thinking, 'If I just went here this day and missed her.' Now these are real 'what if' moments. That first day, when men in red and white ran out onto the pitch I knew I was home. That feeling has stayed with me for over half a century, and the flame burns just as brightly. Good old Arsenal!

  79. Ron

    Jul 08, 2014, 16:30 #53502

    Finsbury Joe - Spurs are barely recognised outside of London. Londoners and the London based media might perceive them bigger than Everton, but nobody else does. In my book Spurs are a decent Club, with good values and a correct approach to playing football but cant right now get near the status of such as Everton, Aston Villa , both Clubs who are regarded as Spurs rivals but both of whom have rich histories and Spurs simply don't. Speaking to supporters in the North and the Central regions about a visit from Spurs normally creates the anticipation of a decent result for the home Club amongst their fans, rarely trepidation. You're right though, Spurs have always been looked on favourably by London Media and to be honest, why not? They are a decent Club, as ive said. Its only Arsenal fans who see Spurs as like an annoying bluebottle fly in Summer, a bit of a buzz and no threat kind of thing. For most Arsenal fans, you ll find to a man, we re all grateful that whatever forces it was that propelled us to become Gunners instead of Spurs, we are eternally grateful and mightily relieved.

  80. BADARSE

    Jul 08, 2014, 16:09 #53501

    Leeds United? Yuk! Gaz as a sprog of Yorkshire blood may be aware of this, I certainly was, in the outskirts of town away from their popular core support of inner-city crazies, they weren't really regarded too well, it is rugby and cricket country first and second. Bremner was despised by the locals. The team were narrow and right wing-a team full of Lorimers! Clarke was not a nice man. The tales of selfishness, spite and greed are almost legendary. Their boss, Don Revie was a pious but sanctimonious hypocritical man. When players came to dinner he had them say grace at the table, all the time secretly feathering his own nest. One word, despicable. No Athoz, no philosophy forums for me, dealing with Ron and westlower saps all interest, and if I begin to think I have a few answers jj posts and sends me into a flat spin. I do like thinking though, sometimes being inside your own head is the safest place to be-it can also be quite interesting in there, many BADARSE's reside in mine.

  81. Finsbury Joe

    Jul 08, 2014, 15:54 #53500

    PW.I agree Arsenal have always been ahead of us but we have always courted the media better shaped history to favour us meaning our fans are far more forgiving. Terry Venables was brilliant as a spin doctor he convinced every body Spurs and England were always better than they were. Man Utd were the same always great with spin, Chelsea too. Ability only counts for around 40% in sport the rest is all about creating the right illusion. Hence despite only winning 2 tiltles to Everton's 9 we are still looked upon as a bigger club.

  82. Ron

    Jul 08, 2014, 15:12 #53499

    CG - I can recall that mate. Blimey, takes me back. Time flies eh. Yes, he was a snidy, mouthy git. A wind up type. All elbows in the face and ankle nips plus the odd stud job on a player on the floor. He was very good at it, as were Leeds. Awful Club, mental fans. Mind you Elland Road was intimidating back in the day. " We are Leeds, we are Leeds and we are evil, we are Leeds"

  83. DW Thomas

    Jul 08, 2014, 15:06 #53498

    If Arsene is still in Brazil, he better be signing some seriously good players. Why is he missing preseason when he just signed that mega contract? Cant believe it. Too much power, too little success. He has become the club. No need to exaggerate or make up things about him. He feeds the fire. Pressure needs to be put on him. Only then will results be possible. He lives in this bubble of control. The bubble must burst soon, surely. As for players, Di Stefano was class personified. Arguably one of the top 5 players ever. To compare him to others besides Cryuff, Maradona, or Pele is having a laugh. Maybe Garrincha. Messi and Zidane lately. Agree with Badarse, Bergkamp was the perfect blend of skill and heart. A class player that made all around him better. His desire for perfection left most behind.

  84. A Cornish Gooner

    Jul 08, 2014, 14:43 #53497

    Ron. I hated Clarke even in his Fulham days. Remember going to Craven Cottage in '67 when he was sent off with Ian Ure.

  85. Ron

    Jul 08, 2014, 13:37 #53496

    R/K - Clarke and Jones were deadly but im afraid i cant say anything good about Clarke, even since he told me and a few mates who were after some autographs to 'f--- off out of it' as they were boarding a train at Kings Cross. Recall that wan--r Giles and even bigger dumb and dozy wan--r Charlton grinning as he said it. We were about 15/16 that's all.

  86. Ozzie

    Jul 08, 2014, 13:03 #53495

    Badarse, do you partake of any of the Philosophy Forums? If you really enjoy a deep challenge...

  87. jjetplane

    Jul 08, 2014, 12:57 #53494

    Next stage has to be Arsenal having a franchise in North America with Wenger at the helm. Big bucks baby. This is where the money trail is. Go West (to the tune of one-nil). Be even stranger if they then (give it a decade) turn the Emirates into luxury housing. That franchise could also take in Dubai and the new London base a feeder/training complex where tourists can come for a day out. Getting ahead of myself with that last one.

  88. radfordkennedy

    Jul 08, 2014, 12:41 #53493

    Yes my handle would get my vote but there's probably too much sentimentality in that choice for me to be objective,of that era though and it sticks in my throat to say it Clarke and Jones were lethal as were Ritchie and Greenhoff..as far as the Gunners go in the day's of a left and right striker I liked Stapleton and Sunderland an example of two players who perfectly complimented eachother

  89. Peter Wain

    Jul 08, 2014, 12:38 #53492

    Finsbury Joe stayed in the elite? What about when you sold us Jennings and Daines took you to the first division

  90. jjetplane

    Jul 08, 2014, 12:30 #53491

    Debuchy is coming and Campbell (and Jenkinson) are going to Newcastle. Who said Wenger wasn't a player?

  91. Ron

    Jul 08, 2014, 12:08 #53490

    CG - Absolutely mate. Heresy on my part to omit them! Another short lived one, due in the main to the Clubs wage policy at the time but a good partnership nontheless

  92. A Cornish Gooner

    Jul 08, 2014, 11:49 #53489

    radfordkennedy?

  93. Ron

    Jul 08, 2014, 11:05 #53488

    Apologies. I meant Dougan and Richards at Wolves. Wagstaffe was an orthodox winger (one of the best i ever saw too). He used to put the ball on a plate for them. Hope that you've got my drift on 'partnerships' anyway guys. Lets not forget our own MacDonald and Stapleton either. Short lived but a very dangerous duo.

  94. Ron

    Jul 08, 2014, 10:55 #53487

    Hi guys. interesting one on 'partnerships'. Not sure Henry and Bergy was a partnership in the true meaning of the word. They did work well in tandem but often from different parts of the pitch. Law and Best wasnt one either. Best was his own man, doing his own thing largely. Law 'partnered' Herd and Kidd and to a lesser degree Charlton in his halcyon years. There have been some great ones and not just from bigger Clubs. Keegan and Toshack was a great one. Astle and Brown at WBA, Dougan and Wagstaff at Wolves, Greaves and Gilzean at that little Club who play in lily white, Hunt and St John at Liverpool, Gray and Sharp at Everton, Lee and Summerbee at Man C. Withe and Shaw at Villa. Osgood and Hutchinson at Chelsea. Tambling and Bridges at Chelsea. So many of them! All lethal. Who was the best? No idea.

  95. BADARSE

    Jul 08, 2014, 9:54 #53486

    Well 24601 I remember Puskas on a profile one Saturday on I think, 'On the Ball'. He was dressed in our shirt standing just outside the Clock End penalty area with a ball at his feet. A podgy little smiling chap who was ageing very ungracefully. Our shirt stretched across his huge belly even looked good on his physique though. He flicked the ball up and nonchalantly walked forward into the goal gently juggling the ball from foot to foot, (Do you remember? Did you see it?) I think I just sat watching with a smile as big as his. Garrincha-'The Little Bird' was astonishing and twice the effectiveness when Pele was on the same pitch, (I think he died early and tragically, fame, drugs etc). Law, despite wrapping his golf club around a nearby tree in anger, when he was playing a round and learnt of England's WC win, was also amazing. Fastest reflexes and reactions ever?!!? Bergy and Titi, oh boy, here we go-who was the best? I think it was the Iceman and Thierry, but am aware my red and white glasses are steaming up. Partners as in men of their times confounds and confuses the answer. If I opted for the Arsenal pair the other three pairs are so close it would need your photo-finish camera to determine the outcome. I would just put the Brazilians second by a nose and the other two pairs equal third, with Law and Best getting the nod on a count-back system. If that judgement was correct then you would not see the difference between first place and fourth with the naked eye, that's how close I would call it.

  96. Westlower

    Jul 08, 2014, 9:35 #53485

    Who were the best striker partnership of all time? Was it Di Stefano & Puskas or Pele & Garrincha? In the UK, Best & Law or Henry & DB10?

  97. radfordkennedy

    Jul 08, 2014, 8:37 #53484

    Radars..thanks for that insight he sounds as if he was years ahead of his time and if you mention him in the same sentence as Pele..who everyone wanted to be on Hackney Marshes when I was a lad...then that is some praise indeed..Cruyff was always my favourite but it sounds as if Alfredo was doing Johan's tricks 10 or 12 years earlier

  98. Westlower

    Jul 08, 2014, 8:35 #53483

    @R/K, Alfredo Di Stefano was born in Argentina and played for the national team as well as playing two games for Colombia, albeit friendlies that weren't given official recognition. He became a Spanish citizen in 1954 which entitled him to play for Spain. In 2003 he was selected as 'Golden Player of Spain' their most outstanding player of past 50 years. Voted 4th best of all time behind Pele, Maradona & Cruyff (the only one I saw play in the flesh). He was universally acclaimed as the most complete footballer in the history of the game. He scored 216 goals for Real Madrid from 282 league games & scored in 5 successive European Cup victories for RM from 55-60. Above all others he transformed Real Madrid into the elite club of world football.

  99. BADARSE

    Jul 08, 2014, 8:10 #53482

    Morning radfordkennedy, long time 'no speak'-good to have you around. I will pitch in with a tiny outline of Alfredo, but would defer to my big brother westlower as he know doubt will pitch in later. He was a centre forward and scored goals, his balance was superb. He held up play with total confidence too. Having both qualities of an old fashioned CF was in itself a rarity. He was also a ballplayer like a midfield artist and he fed others with deft flicks, back heels, and fooled opponents with feints, step overs and by disguising many movements. His touch was delicate. I am describing Bergy here, but Alfredo's emphasis was on scoring so there was a difference between those two. He was fortunate to be with a club, Real Madrid as the side coalesced into the best club team on the planet at that time-and it was sustained long enough for these players to become household names when Calais seemed to be as far as the moon. Scampering around the square, kicking raggedy old balls, and muttering your own running commentary, '...and Di Stefano hits the ball into the corner of the net...'as you kicked the ball at the jumpers on the ground. His time was limited though, he was about to be replaced by the new kid on the block, one Edson Arantes Do Nascimento-Pele. The king is dead-long live the king!

  100. radfordkennedy

    Jul 08, 2014, 7:44 #53481

    Morning fellas....Alfredo playing for three national teams I'd never heard this before,was this common practise back then or was he a one off.He was a bit before my time and haven't seen any footage,what was it he did that so many people have called him the Greatest

  101. BADARSE

    Jul 08, 2014, 7:37 #53480

    Evening Athoz, so true-though their brothers and sisters are spread world-wide now. Religion is the new sport. Life has changed so dramatically in recent times. I read a book by Alvin Toffler nearly forty years ago entitled 'Future Shock'. It was dramatic in it's picture of things yet to be and our problems in handling those things. He followed it quickly with a tome entitled, 'The Third Wave'. Agricultural, Industrial and upon us was Technological. That wave hit us with the force of a tsunami and as an analogy is still swirling around our armpits. Those waters are still rising, with a likelihood of engulfing us and dragging us down into the deep. All the problems witnessed at the Grove, with AFC, the players, board, societies today with their new values et al, is because of this wave. Man the lifeboats! Oh, no, there are none!

  102. Ozzie

    Jul 08, 2014, 6:57 #53479

    People are wondering here in Oz what has happened to all the skilled cricketers, tennis players, athletes, etc. Well, they're all here with their eyes wrapped round the telly, headphones wrapped round their skull, trousers wrapped round their knees, i-phones wrapped round their fingers and stomachs wrapped round their waste line. Ah, the good life!

  103. BADARSE

    Jul 07, 2014, 21:20 #53477

    Evening Bard. Personally I think the sense of artistry in football is in decline and will struggle to return. I don't think the climate is too good for skill development. If my take on matters is near the truth it will take a while for everyone to cotton on, and when they do the emphasis will shift in a very subtle way. A more pointed approach to nullifying by any means will take the high road. Truly skilful players will always show through but an overall drop in standards could occur. I think this is what Ron is witnessing, I'm just putting a name to it. The AW bashing at any time is peculiar to me. He does or doesn't cut it. I believe he does and this rationale is based on weighing countless pieces of minutiae and the different demands of individual boards for managers to follow. Another thinks he doesn't and that's OK with me. I struggle with personal abuse of anyone-snide remarks are also irritating, as well as cowardly. One aspect to end on, 'the pro camp' is a little misleading, though I take your point. If supporting my manager against what I deem to be unfair criticism then OK, however that would make me in the pro camp of Diaby, and heaven forbid if someone unfairly attacked jeff wright then I would find myself in his pro camp. Ouch, typing that hurt-only kidding jeff, I forgive you, ha ha. @ exiled & dangerous, the children of today will not feel the same empathy, I can assure you of that. A small percentage might but that will be lost in the tsunami of life's detritus. We are manufacturing faux emotions and draping the kids in it. You can only heap so much on anyone and then it begins to slide off. Crocodile tears aplenty yes, but real gut-tearing emotion? Nope. I watched the 2005 Cup Final in a pub and after a brief leaping about which lasted perhaps two minutes I began to cry. Silly isn't it? I wasn't blubbing just water came out of my eyes and ran down my cheeks as I gazed at the screen. My wife noticed and lots of hugging followed. That type of emotion is on the wane, though as I suggested it will always exist in football, in decades to come it will be needed in the war against the machines... but that is another chapter, ha ha.

  104. Ron

    Jul 07, 2014, 20:19 #53474

    My Dad always mentioned Di Stefano as being special, in fact he must have been ranked up there alongside Ted Drake, Joe Hulme and Cliff Bastin as Dad mentioned him a lot! For me, i can always recall lots of him in my 'Kenneth Wolstenholme's football Annual' or David Coleman's Football League Annual, either which would always turn up for me at Xmas (i still have one or two!)Can always recall thinking it wasn't just Bobby Charlton after all who was nigh on bald yet still playing!. A De S sounded like a truly World class player and yet players with a tiny fraction of his skill are deemed similarly these days arent they. A sign of the dearth of real talent in football.

  105. Bard

    Jul 07, 2014, 20:04 #53473

    Westie: great shout what a player. Saw him on the telly and my Dad going mental about how good he was. Puskas was my hero as a kid,the 'galloping major'did for dear old Billy Wright in that famous hammering by Hungary. The drag back was Ronaldoeque. I could remember the whole Hungarian side in those days Rather like now we were reminded how poor and insular we were as a footballing nation.

  106. exiled&dangerous

    Jul 07, 2014, 19:34 #53472

    Tom Finney, Eusebio, Di Stefano all gone within a short space of time. They were all way before my time but I read about them as a kid and saw clips on TV. I wonder if today's eight year olds are going to feel a tinge of sadness in forty or fifty years' time when players of this era start to pop their clogs? 'course we'll all be dead from fracking poison by then anyway.......

  107. Finsbury Joe

    Jul 07, 2014, 19:05 #53471

    Peter Wain, Have you not heard of the great traditions of Spurs. I know most of them are made up ie: the glory glory nights and I do agree for most of our history we've just hoofed it, but we've always had a far better PR machine than the Goons, the press have always tickled our belly and we've always managed to stay among the elite, so there!

  108. BADARSE

    Jul 07, 2014, 18:41 #53470

    Yeah we were the lucky ones with the telly, I was your younger brother back then as a twelve years old. I blame our football on Dunkirk. A little obscure but the 'backs to the wall', 'Rorke's Drift', 'Henry V-Once more unto the breach...fill up the wall with our English dead', attitude is alive and well and resides in all English people. Wonderful as it is, it obscures the fact that finesse and artistry is lost in the blood, sweat and tears of endeavour. The closest marrying of both, which I believe to be essential, and to be the ultimate aim in a footballer, was Dennis Bergkamp. It's why he always just gets my nod over Titi in a quick comparison. The song lyrics, 'We're going to score one more than you', as in the Vindaloo song is, or should be, Arsenal's epitaph if we are burying football today. (Please turn over to see my other contribution).

  109. Westlower

    Jul 07, 2014, 18:18 #53469

    @Badarse, We didn't have a TV back in 1960 but the local football club organised a showing in a pub hall. The place was heaving with a mix of kids & adults. I was 13 at the time and had never witnessed football like it. That Real Madrid side didn't have to bother about defending, such was their potent attack. Football in England was never played like that & as Ron keeps telling us, it still isn't. Frustratingly we are conditioned to accept the mundane methods of Pulis, Allardyce, Hughes & co. Run, sweat & tears!

  110. BADARSE

    Jul 07, 2014, 17:53 #53468

    Hello 24601. I knew he was gravely ill but didn't know he had died. So sad buddy, part of us older ones go with him. I remember the 1960 final at Hampden. Watching on black and white Telly. A tiny screen with footballing giants filling every inch of it. The 'Galloping Major' Alfredo and Gento-the big three names. Ron I think mentioned the 'mighty Magyars' of 1953 today. A final which gave us a 7-3 scoreline! A strange twist the Germans whom I said farewell to on Friday were from Frankfurt and Eintracht were still their team, (though a couple of youngsters did the Manchester United bit and claimed Bayern were their side).Very sad chum.

  111. Westlower

    Jul 07, 2014, 17:32 #53467

    Many of you will be too young to know of Alfredo di Stefano, who sadly died today. As a teenager I was in awe of him and the fantastic Real Madrid side of the late 50's, they won 5 successive European Cups from 55-60. He was the centre forward in a team of greats, playing alongside the imperious Puskas & the flying winger Gento. Now there was a team to get your pulse racing. Unusually, di Stefano played for 3 National teams, Argetina, Colombia & Spain.

  112. jeff wright

    Jul 07, 2014, 14:45 #53461

    A tournament of individuals rather than any great sides this wold cup. Messi stands out from the rest and great individual players can make the difference in big games . I am not writing off Brazil's chances against the workman like German one neither side will have any great individual outfield player,the Germans though do have the best GK in the competition. Low must be pondering on whether or not to play Ozil because he looks the weak link in the German midfield ,in what could be a war of attrition,rather than a game of free-flowing football. The situation with Ozil is similar to when he plays for us ,with no quick mobile striker up front to make forward passes to . Even with Neymar out the Brazilians still have quicker forward players than the ponderous Germans do . It's a tough one to call, however, taking account of home advantage and the dodgy German defence and the enigmatic problem of the little Turk for Low's team ,I am going for Brazil to win and to face the Argies in the final. I backed Messi and co at decent odds pre-tournament to win it and can see no reason to regret having done so. It will soon be back to the more modest fare of a chumps league qualifier tie for Arsene (yawn)a tete a tete with City at Wembley and the opening Prem game v Pulis . What has Arsene learned though from watching the World Cup? Surely for starters that tiki - taka is dead ,non? I wouldn't bet on that being the case though. The stubborn old cretin is more likely to try and prove otherwise. That's what he does when faced with unpleasant facts, he ignores them and carries on regardless down the khazi.

  113. Peter Wain

    Jul 07, 2014, 14:02 #53457

    if Paulinho is so good how come he is always dropped by Brazil and only brought back either through injury or suspension? Looks like a fading donkey to me. As for the Scum the sooner they take their place in their spiritual home the Ryman's Premier league the better I will like it.

  114. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Jul 07, 2014, 13:18 #53454

    Pogba, Hazard, Neymar, RVP, Benzema........all crap. Overall the standard is pretty poor, no one seems to be able to hold onto the ball anymore, but it's still head and shoulders above our domestic 150mph kick and rush game.

  115. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jul 07, 2014, 12:56 #53452

    Yes the French looked good in the early stages but were never going to win it, but they'll be happy enough after achieving their objective of getting their fans and country back on side. Which is a pity really because they could have been looking for a new manager and offered it to a certain French man who might have rode to the rescue on his white stallion and we'd have been well rid.

  116. Finsbury Joe

    Jul 07, 2014, 11:05 #53448

    For me Paulinho of Brazil has been the outstanding player at this years tournament closely followed by Messi and Vertonghan. Would like to see Germany win it as they remind me of the sedate one paced football that used to be played in the sixties plus I love their kit,all that's missing is the cricket style clapping crowd and us oldies will feel well at home. As far as the new season is concerned only woe awaits Arsenal and I think we may struggle to make the top ten. Spurs seem to be starting to play the Tottenham way again and I can see now that their players have bedded in a two horse race between them and City for the title. Chelsea won't be far behind with the lethal Schurlle up front, Man Utd look like going back to their trusted cheating lump-ball game while Liverpool and Everton will be ok as they have tactical geniuses for managers.

  117. radfordkennedy

    Jul 07, 2014, 9:36 #53443

    DW Thomas...Youre absolutely right my friend Brazil do look very average,as do the Argies in fairness,but with some of the worst officiating and dare i say it cheating ive seen at a major tournament,i dont expect any other final than between those two,its the final that the sponsers and the continent want,quite honestly mate i find the whole thing a bit smelly....of all the players ive seen i thought Griezeman looked good

  118. HowardL

    Jul 06, 2014, 22:49 #53437

    Thanks for adding to the enjoyment with your blogs. Nice to read your QF reports for the continuity. However, to be honest, their lack of local atmosphere compared to your on-the-spot contributions means they offer very little more than I got from watching the games on TV. At least you have a wider vocabulary than Phil Neville, or, heaven help us, Danny Murphy (why haven't I heard any complaints about him?). Can I also add my vote to those who suggest you produce a compilation of your blogs, which gave a real feel of what it was like to be in Brazil for the tournament; plus the ones from home as comparison - and of course including the Arsenal asides about Wenger, as there were some really amusing ones (pity the reality is grimmer, however). Oh yes, and don't forget the pictures...

  119. Roy

    Jul 06, 2014, 20:12 #53429

    Most ordinary Brazil side I've seen in a long time. With a well executed game plan, Germany can beat them but they also need a strong referee. Brazil have been fortunate to get this far and it made me laugh to see the crowd outside the hospital where Neymar was delivered baying for Zunigas blood, conveniently forgetting that most of the lenient refereeing went their way, and at least two of their players could have picked up two yellows. If fortune does favour the brave, it will be a Low v Van Gaal final Kev but I've a feeling that due to influences they can't control, it won't be. France flattered to deceive along with Belgium, but Valbuena looks a player and Origi is a good prospect. Heroic failure used to be the preserve of England but now Costa Rica have taken up that particular mantle. My tip from the start, the Argies look to have all the bases covered, but will they really throw of the shackles unless they're behind ? Robben definitely the key for the Dutch. Signing Sanchez would be great, but can anyone seriously see that happening ? Not me. Once again Kev, thanks for the blogs from Brazil. Great read.

  120. DW Thomas

    Jul 06, 2014, 16:49 #53425

    Kruls antics in the penalty kicks should have been outlawed. Talking s..t during the game is one thing, before a penalty kick is,another. Or else when they scored, Coata Rica should have been allowed to taunt him back on his face! Van Persie missed some key chances, glad he is not with us anymore. Robben have to say looked pretty good and Wes Schneider, what amazing shooting skill! Would have like him years ago at Arsenal. France was bigges up before Germany, but what a total let down. Pogba did nothing, Benzema was lazy. Saw nothing from Dubuchy the whole tournament that said he is better than Sagan. Kos should have started and probably Giroud to help on defensive headers. Still can't believe France don't have their own Aguero or Suarez. They excited everyone, then fizzled out. No teams left that interest me much. Used to love the Dutch with Overmars and Dennis. Now they have guys like Vlar and Robben. And the traitor VP. Argentina is a one man show. Germany becoming boring but efficient. And what is the answer for Brazils loss of Neymar? Fred? Jo? Yeah, right. They look seriously average without him and Silva out could be big! How could they not have that Liverpool lad Coutinho? He looks good each time I watched him play in the PL. Waiting to hear we've signed Sanchez, but my Wenger Crystal Ball predicts Liverpool will out bid us by one pound. If we could just show some balls and just spend the required amount to buy who we need for once. If you're always bargaining, what class will you acquire?