Persistence Pays Off

Online Ed: Disappointing display at Goodison still gleans point



Persistence Pays Off


It was a strange kind of game at Everton. Oddly, in the light of Arsenal’s midweek exertions in Istanbul, the visitors seemed to claw back a point due to looking the fitter side in this encounter’s closing stages. Certainly, Everton’s closing down as the second half wore on was far less impressive than it had been as they established a two goal lead.

There was an element of rotation in Wenger’s starting eleven, which may have been a nod towards the glut of matches in the first two weeks of the season. Koscielny was not risked and one suspects will be nursed through the coming weeks with concerns over his Achilles. Giroud and Cazorla were replaced by Ozil and Oxlade-Chamberlain, Alexis Sanchez switched to the focal point of attack. The new-look line-up did not work. Ozil played on the left side, as he did for Germany in the World Cup. Sanchez received zero service, and Arsenal were restricted to questionable long range efforts from the Ox which sailed high or wide. Triangular moves around the box were easily cut out and the Gunners looked like a team bereft of ideas when faced with a half decent backline.

At the other end of the field, it made for equally unpleasant viewing. Arsenal’s defending for the opening goal warrants no further discussion, a real contrast to the focus demonstrated by the home side in the first half. The second goal undoubtedly should not have stood, but Calum Chambers hardly covered himself in glory during the build-up, his traditional major error per game on this occasion leading to a goal. Everton had two attempts on goal in the first 45 minutes, but it was all they needed. Arsenal looked in disarray, clueless at both ends of the field.

For once, Arsene Wenger made a bold statement at half time, withdrawing Alexis and replacing him with Giroud. It led to better chances, but Giroud was culpable of missing them all. The feeling that here was a striker who was a notch below what is required reared its ugly head, although as a target for his colleagues, he did serve the side better than Alexis, in spite of his workrate, had managed. It should not be forgotten that there were a couple of very close shaves when Everton had the opportunity to put the game out of reach before the Gunners managed to begin their comeback.

As it was, the entrance of Cazorla proved a positive as, allowed space, he created the chance for Ramsey to tap in. At times, it seemed alarming how few Arsenal players committed themselves in the box, but only one was required at this critical moment. I watched the game with Bernard Azulay of Gooner’s Diary, who pointed out that Ramsey plays better when Jack Wilshere is not on the field. An interesting observation I couldn’t argue with.

Given a ray of hope by the goal, the visitors continued to go forward, helped by Everton’s determination to hold what they had. What looked like an appalling cross by Ramsey was rescued by Monreal, whose own centre for Giroud was a very pleasant surprise in its quality, given that his colleagues often do not trust him enough to give him the ball when he overlaps. Giroud demonstrated his abilities as a physical target man in holding off Distin to convert on what was his fourth bite at the cherry in 45 minutes. Arsenal’s play over 90 minutes may not have merited a point, but in terms of reaction to going two goals down, it was undoubtedly an improvement on the collapse at the same stadium in April last season. The players kept going, and the increased space they were allowed paid dividends in the end. Credit to them for a result that is perfectly acceptable and obvious progress when compared to away matches against the top sides last season.

The real issue is whether Arsenal can improve, whether the obvious weaknesses in both their attacking and defensive game will be solved with more matches. They looked far from solid at the back and for most of the match, unimaginative in attack. Sure, four points from the first two fixtures is just fine, but to an extent, they have got away with it so far. It would not have taken much for it to be just one point out of six instead. There may be cause for optimism in the side getting points when they do not play well, but a deeper concern is whether they will click as a unit to the extent required to remain in the mix for the title. Currently, it really doesn’t look like it. Still, early days, eh?

Incidentally, I have finally relented and given in to the phenomenon that is Twitter, for the simple reason that it isn’t going away anytime soon and it is quite obviously a powerful tool in the social media armoury that I have spent as many years as possible resisting. Whether or not I am worth following, I am the last person to ask, but anyhow, you can find me on Twitter@KevinWhitcher01. It’s not intended to be an account purely about Arsenal or football, although these areas will not be ignored either.

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  1. Westlower

    Aug 28, 2014, 10:58 #56035

    @Bard I do understand the striker debate but like Arsene, I feel unless we can buy a quality striker there's no point buying a Soldado type for £20m+ or Higuain for £34m. You also have to remember someone will have to drop out to sustain the 25 man squad. What happens to Giroud in January if he's replaced? There are many on this site who consider Giroud to be useless, despite his 22 goals last season. Why are these same people panicking now he's injured? If we can get a top notch CF who will improve the team then I'm all for it, but it's easier said than done. Name that quality CF who is available to us? I'd sooner we bought a quality DM or CB, or preferably both. We've now had red cards in 4 out of our last 5 ECL games. @Badarse, If at first you don't succeed, do it the way your wife told you. Sounds like Double Dutch to me!

  2. peter wain

    Aug 28, 2014, 7:44 #56020

    a fortunate result given that the ref missed two penalties for the other side. So wenger says he is not going to panick buy the trouble is he will not buy at all so we are missing a top top striker midfield player and defender. So success this season is based on keeping the first team fit as we have no serious depth in the squad. Can see why they put up season prices needed for Gazidis and Wengers bonuses not for players.

  3. BADARSE

    Aug 28, 2014, 7:18 #56019

    I see we've been given a home draw against Southampton in the Capital One Cup-their 'cup final'? Six London clubs I think, left in, all drawn at home. I think one or two players you speak of Bard, may get a game in that one.

  4. Bard

    Aug 28, 2014, 7:06 #56018

    terrific result. Thought Jack had an excellent game. An interesting and significant sub text is that Wenger didnt make a single substitution bar replacing Debuchy with Chambers. What does that tell you about his belief in the squad. The fact that he relies on so few players maybe explains why we get so many injuries. Westie I think you are missing the point over this transfer debate. The issue that needs thinking about is the financial cost of missing out on 4th spot, Napoli are not a top Italian side so the argument is rather like saying Everton got knocked out. Man U are in meltdown at the moment and the same will happen to Arsenal if they dont invest. We were crying out for a decent striker last night. All those moaning about ref should note he turned down 2 stone wall pens for Besiktas, In my book he should get a free pass to all our home games.

  5. BADARSE

    Aug 28, 2014, 6:45 #56017

    Good morning my little continental quilts, all light and feathery, but functional. Here in the Netherlands, where my two young grandsons may think it's Neverland, I sit perched atop a mountain of imagined ripe Gouda surveying our position. We are in the group! 17 years and counting-and a Pot 1 placing. A professional telly man like JS doesn't quite grasp why qualification is so important year on year, (apart from the dosh), so it isn't a surprise that a few 'head in the sand'AFC fans can't either-some of us do. DWT good morning chum, who are these people? I assume the AKB's would be those opposed to your approach to logic, making myself, westlower, GBP, GoonerRon, Rocky RIP, JAMIE and notable others as prime candidates. If so, who amongst that group are anti Jack? I think those who generally carp and slag off come from the shadows-those by circumstance you are aligned with. I do remember a few who no longer post doing a 'whicker man' job on the lad. Any ideas? Looks like we shall go with what we've got in the striker department, so I suggest someone buys some Nurofens for MARCUS as there is a lot of 'banging head on walls' to come. Good news-they are on special at ASDA at the moment. To those decrying the BBQ, I would say join in, or relax-I have a Virtual Barn Dance scheduled for late September, and you wouldn't want to miss that. So start digging out your checked shirts in readiness, and yes WeAreBuilding, you can wear the checked kilt again-only you could carry that one off, '...got me old fiddle, sun coming up, got cakes on the griddle...life ain't nothing but a funny, funny riddle...thank susej I'm an Arsenal boy'. Good old Arsenal.

  6. Ozzie

    Aug 28, 2014, 6:38 #56016

    The intrinsic value of the club cannot be bought with money nor owned by megalomaniacs but seeing as they hold the purse strings and have been given progress in the CL how about they now flash the cash and address the team's needs? Crap ref by the way and a timid effort by the boys up front but still hanging in there!

  7. Westlower

    Aug 28, 2014, 6:14 #56015

    Beware bogus stories as the media go into meltdown in the closing days of the transfer window. Zigic's agent took the opportunity to let the world know his man is available. Experience show's us very few of these transfers ever take place & are usually the figment of someones imagination. One that did happen was Higuain to Napoli, who were eliminated from the CL last night proving that an expensive striker isn't always the answer. Being in pot 1 in this afternoons draw should give us a good opportunity to qualify from the Group stages. It upset Jeff Stelling that AFC are in pot 1 who thought Liverpool were a more deserving case. That's the benefit AFC reap for always being in the Champions League. That PL 4th spot is gold dust.

  8. DW Thomas

    Aug 28, 2014, 5:10 #56014

    Some of you were talking about how Jack and Ramsey don't play well together. Maybe they just need more time, but last night Jack had a great performance. He was incisive and lucky not to score. The boys dominated and for all you AKBs slagging Jack off, remember many fans were doing the same with Ramsey. He is a great player in the making, but will Arsene get the best out of him? I think he needs a better mentor, someone younger who can teach him to be hungry for titles. Yet, credit where due, the team got a result when desperately needed. They seem to always pull through when money is on the line! Maybe some $$ incentives is the key to trophies? Naww! We All know it takes heart and desire. This team might have it. Still a long way to go to beat the better teams, but there is plenty to be excited about. Let's hope Arsene can turn back the clock and work some magic. He really is due isn't he?

  9. BADARSE

    Aug 27, 2014, 22:19 #56013

    Evening from the north of Holland. Met a Gooner-he insisted he was a Gunner-on the bus. Got to my brother's and he hooked up the computer. Was in text contact with a pal and watched the second half. Crazy ref, nervy time, but we fell exhausted across the finishing line. Well done the ten men, now they are my ten commandments! Alexis off the mark, welcome to the Pleasuredome young man. Enjoyed a few posts. Have seen a great double-hammock for the garden and as billdodgin had a very positive attitude to the Besiktas game he gets first go in it, but to make it interesting he has to share it with KC, but no swinging it gents, stick to the peashooters, and 'WEEE! your time away.

  10. Mathew

    Aug 27, 2014, 22:00 #56012

    12 against 10, glad we are thru,Cheerio Gunners

  11. Westlower

    Aug 27, 2014, 21:48 #56011

    Aye, Aye, those boys in red & white are in the draw tomorrow. Gritty display by all, especially Debuchy, Alexis, Cazorla & a back to form Jack Wilshere. What a card happy ref but thankfully we came through. Now off to change my pants....

  12. Th14afc

    Aug 27, 2014, 21:47 #56010

    They've done it..what an absolute tool that ref was,so biased it was unbelievable....even 12 against 10 we went through!

  13. Lee afc

    Aug 27, 2014, 18:53 #56009

    Marcus.....i'm here, waiting, your beer is getting cold. Yep, another armchair internet freak, who is frightened of a face to face discussion on matchday.....

  14. Bard

    Aug 27, 2014, 18:36 #56008

    RadfordK; gutted I can't go tonight, having to stay late at work, how sad is that. But yes we need to get off to a good start. We really need Ozil to step up. But there is obviously a good spirit in the team so its not all doom and gloom. Maybe the Ox will find his scoring boots

  15. radfordkennedy

    Aug 27, 2014, 18:24 #56007

    Bard....spot on mate CL money could mean the difference between a top striker or remy and to be honest im more than a little worried if the turks score first we wont have enough under the bonnet to pull it back but as you say fingers crossed

  16. Bard

    Aug 27, 2014, 17:52 #56006

    Smithy; Sounds mad doesn't it, getting Zigic but don't forget that we got Kallstrom on loan deal when we were top of the table and needed another striker and he was injured at the time and couldn't play for 8-10 weeks so no Zigic may not be so far fetched. DJ I would love any of those as well but I can't see it. Because we are short Wenger will more than likely have to pay top dollar and he won't do that. Remember he wouldn't buy Swartzar for a couple of million a few years back when we needed a back up keeper. If we don't beat Besiktas he won't buy anyone. Fingers crossed.

  17. smithy

    Aug 27, 2014, 16:23 #56005

    Zigic- did I really read that? Who's next? Thomas Brolin?

  18. DJ

    Aug 27, 2014, 13:29 #56004

    Marcus: I nearly choked on my tea reading your post it was so full of fury! I was enjoying the gentle whimsy of the virtual BBQ until you stamped your boots all over it! While I am definitely in the time for change camp I feel you shouldn’t believe all the rubbish you read in the papers. There are some unscrupulous agents out there who would link their clients to anything for a fast buck. In my dreams I am hoping for Falcao or second choice Cavanni but have a feeling we may settle for a Remy or Welbeck. Anyway let’s wait until the deadline is shut and we can all go bananas! Meanwhile, back at the BBQ……………..

  19. maguiresbridge gooner

    Aug 27, 2014, 13:08 #56003

    Sky Sports 5 had Arsenal as their Football's greatest teams programme last night, no need to tell you the years and teams well worth watching being described as/with skill pace and power among other things, look what we have now where did it all go wrong? as if we don't know, worth watching again today at 3 and 4.30pm.

  20. maguiresbridge gooner

    Aug 27, 2014, 12:43 #56002

    DW, does this mean there's a Twelfth Commandant.

  21. WENGER MUST GO. I HAVE CHANGED MY SLOGAN NOW (MARCUS)

    Aug 27, 2014, 12:23 #56001

    Oh dear, dear. I love laughing reading these comments with other arsenal fans who just love at what these akbs have to say. The delusional mindset is so funny. Now we are being linked with Zigic lOoool. Wenger has lost the plot, but I'm sure these muppets will come up with a way to defend that bizzare decision hahahaha. Wenger knows best right??? You could not make this stuff up. Again you have one nutter talking about bbqs?? Lool just plain bizzare nonsense. Than you have one other guy answering the questions to suit he's argument. If you think only being past the qf twice in 18 years in the champions league is great than you clearly have mental issues undiagonsed.Again I have laid down facts. Wenger is washed up and he will never win the pl. If wenger wins the pl and giroud scores 25 goals in the pl in one season I will never post on here again. I'm so confident neither with happen especially when we our linked with zigic wow. This club is actually taking the piss now!!

  22. Ozzie

    Aug 27, 2014, 11:55 #56000

    Baddie, you've been spying on me again from your great throne in the sky. How else would you know I am left footed, was sitting bare chested in the garden this arvo with my lunch and VB in hand? Why, you even noticed the goldfish in the pond - how observant. You are beginning to frighten me, ole bean. Are we going to fire up the cannons for this game, or what? If anyone ought to know it would be your psychic self :-) lollipop...hahaha...rofl...waffle...burp!

  23. Fred

    Aug 27, 2014, 9:25 #55999

    Bard Im a bit dubious about Jamie........ me think that he protest too much lol...... Ha! ha!.......... Jamie is a name more associated with 'the lane' than good old Arsenal ones are ....... JAMIE SAYS WE CAN !........... that just don't look right on a AFC t-shirt lol........... Ha! ha!

  24. JAMIE

    Aug 27, 2014, 9:16 #55998

    MARCUS:1.What other English side has qualified for the champions league every season over the last 18 years?.2.Only Man U have won more titles since Wenger has been at Arsenal,who are now Manure.3.The wob's made it easy for Van Pesie to leave by backing him in their agenda to get rid of Wenger.

  25. Mathew

    Aug 27, 2014, 8:55 #55997

    Comeon Arsenal, a CL qualification will get us the best players left for transfer window. We will miss Rambo dearly today, hopefully Santi & Mesut can chip in. Feel unlucky for Giroud, who gets injured with a football in the 94th min. COYG

  26. Chairman Mao

    Aug 27, 2014, 8:49 #55996

    Congratulations commissars Jamie, Badarse etc. Your abuse and insults of the spurs fans masquerading as Arsenal supporters is weeding them out. Keep up the good work comrades.

  27. BADARSE

    Aug 27, 2014, 7:30 #55995

    Morning Bard, as we KO I shall be in the north of Holland bussing from the station to my brother's. Yes very important, but then so are lots of games along the way, and things that happen in our lives, still this is the focal point, a win in any way is required. A £32million match. I did like the recognition that MARCUS was up early banging his head against the wall-because it's a nice feeling when he stops? As for answering questions, it is wise to avoid wild people, as a fan he can very literally be called a loose cannon. You are an intelligent man, have a butcher's at which direction the abuse comes from initially. BBQ weather is all-year round time. Ozzie is under three feet of snow and still doing the bare-topped BBQ, biting the tops off bottles of beer. He is probably still eating the Koi carp from the garden ponds, as he did at our BBQ last year-'Enough Athoz!'. You've been nominated to read the first chapter of, 'The Ragged-trousered Philanthropists', to Hiccup-can you please make sure he sits crossed-legged, and on your left?

  28. Bard

    Aug 27, 2014, 6:59 #55994

    Marcus, youre not going to get answers and you are banging your head against a brick wall. Some of the humour and abuse thrown in your direction is a way of avoiding debating the points. Stay strong and calm down a little. This site loves a hysteric. Untds annihilation is a salutory reminder of what happens to top clubs who dont invest wisely. Untd have had to pay de Maria in excess of 200000 per week just to get him there. Its desperation. Baddie its not BBQ weather. If we dont beat Besiktas tonight you can hold a wake instead. Freddie wheres my T shirt. I am happy to have because Jamie says so written on the bottom plus a couple of lols and ha s

  29. BADARSE

    Aug 27, 2014, 6:34 #55993

    Good morning my little bowls of muesli-nice and fruity, but also nutty! Tinman, if a city like London can make that buffoon Johnson Mayor, the USA can elect George W, and a club like Arsenal takes flak as it does, from it's so-called own fans, with all it's achievements, then Attila the Hun could become the representative of Thanet South. A word to WeAreBuilding, no sloping off during the BBQ's garden games time, you were caught watching the telly last year-it was only that you were watching the Simpsons which saved you. You have been drawn with Fred in the three-legged race. On that subject Athoz, it's the left leg tethered with your partner's right; last year you and Alsace ran around in a circle, 'til that bucket of water brought you both to your senses. Oh and Maxwell, your mime of climbing the giant beanstalk didn't really work last year-as organiser I have to be brutal, it went on a bit too long. Can you jazz it up at this year's bash, perhaps fall off, or jump or something? Please wear the Kylie Minogue shorts again though, they went down well.

  30. WENGER MUST GO. I HAVE CHANGED MY SLOGAN (MARCUS)

    Aug 27, 2014, 2:52 #55992

    Look know one is bullying me and the majority of folks on here our tired of wenger its only a couple deluded akbs who will never wake up from 2004. Let me ask them 3 questions. 1. Why has wenger only been past the qfs of the champions league twice at arsenal In over 18 years as the manager given all the great players he had?? 2. Why has wenger only won the pl three times in over 18 years as manager of arsenal, given only two teams where fighting for the championship in the beginning of hes reign?? 3. Finally what players have been forced out by the so called fans who have the audacity to voice a opinion or show dissent with the way the club is being run or the transfer policies or the lack of quality in the team. I would just want to know what players were hounded out by the fans thanks.

  31. A Cornish Gooner

    Aug 27, 2014, 2:03 #55991

    Good to see an Arsenal forward score two against Man U last night. Could Nigel Farage really be Ramsgate's next MP?

  32. Danny

    Aug 27, 2014, 1:55 #55990

    Marcus is saying what majority feel and the AKBs cannot take it. we are run by idiots with a has been manager. Lets see what happens tomorrow without his donkey

  33. Finsbury Joe

    Aug 27, 2014, 0:26 #55989

    See things coming home to roost over the one striker policy. Btw.....why this cyber bullying of Marcus, surely he is entitled to his opinions as we all are?

  34. DW Thomas

    Aug 26, 2014, 23:42 #55988

    I am only coming to the BBQ if I can bring my own special batch of brew and my little green chum! He really wants to recruit some more lads to his club of enlightened Wenger loyalists! Jamie, Badarse, Westie, et al. have finally won me over with their succinct and well reasoned views. I was especially warmed by all their kind words to Marcus and those they feel need their help and knowledge most! We former AMGs or WOBs must thank them endlessly for the brilliant analysis they give whenever we misstep and say something outside the allowed bounds of commentary involving his highness AW! I found that my past seems now so purposeless. I was blind but now I see. My patience is sure to be tested as I await the next nugget of supreme knowledge from Jamie or Baddie or any of our emperor's faithful servants. Like preventing a fly to s..t, the waiting is so arduous! Lets all be sure to hope and wish our tall French striker a speedy recovery. Those 25 goals won't be missed. We have plenty of 30 goal players to bring back the promised land! Oh Bendtner, where are you now? Oh, and can I bring my Unicorn to the gathering? He loves him some ribs!!

  35. maguiresbridge gooner

    Aug 26, 2014, 23:15 #55987

    BADARSE, now you've got the idea, good sense of humour I like it, you'll be taking after jeff wright and myself next and penning a new Carry On Movie, but make sure you don't leave out the main character in his now familiar Sid James comedy role or substitute him for someone else, after all we keep being told there's no substitute for arsene wenger.

  36. JAMIE

    Aug 26, 2014, 22:50 #55986

    Rocky/Lee.I'd watch out for MARCUS if I were you.He Danny and maguirebridge are all top faces in the Inter Bedwetting Firm. Now what I mean guv.

  37. Lee afc

    Aug 26, 2014, 22:23 #55985

    Rocky rip.......nice to hear from you again my friend. Excellent, constructive, sensible comments. MARCUS..I'm happy to talk and debate tomorrow evening over a couple of beers. give me a shout if you wish.

  38. Bard

    Aug 26, 2014, 21:37 #55984

    Westie; the issue of throwing money at the problem isn't as simple as you make it out to be. If Arsenal finish outside the top 4 they will be consigned to the outer reaches of the PL for goodness knows how long. Look at what happened to Liverpool and is happening to Untd. Arsenal don't have the resources to plough 200m in like Untd and even that is unlikely to see then make the top 4. Forget the morality of it all. Its a dog fight to the death. i posted this endlessly last season and your post suggest your still stuck in some time warp where sides yo yo up and down and there are prizes for good behaviour. If Arsenal drop out of the top group they run the risk of sliding into the mass of also rans. If you think thats fanciful then take a look at what Untd are having to pay to even give themselves a shout. This next week is about as an important a week as there has been since we moved from the old ground. if Wenger gets it wrong we're in real trouble. All the stuff about we shouldn't be like Chelsea is rubbish. We need to do whatever it takes to give ourselves a chance of staying in the hunt. Whatever it costs will be peanuts compared to what it will cost if we don't.

  39. Danny

    Aug 26, 2014, 21:32 #55983

    There are too many AKBs with their heads in the sand. Wenger got lucky winning the FA CUP last year and will never win the PL. This manager is the biggest fraud going and will never change. For the last 3 yrs. we needed strong CM and a WC striker. Where are they? What do we get instead, a crocked donkey who is out for 3 months. A Postman, who does not know where the mailbox is, and speedy gonzales who cannot cut it in the PL. Plus we have a lazy Turk, who isn’t worth a dime Look across London and you see a World Class Manager hated by the AKBs because he is winner and called our idiot for what he IS. A loser!.

  40. Mark

    Aug 26, 2014, 21:29 #55982

    i thought it was a pretty awful display and i worried for 80 mins that this is what we have to look forward to whenevr we play city, utd, chels, liver, evert or spurs away. kind of shocking in parts at how soft and weak we look. then before the end some resistance shown but has still left me a bit concerned how we will fare against the others top 6 teams this year.

  41. Rocky RIP

    Aug 26, 2014, 21:17 #55981

    Marcus - you don't know the first thing about me or my views on Wenger. Instantly labelling someone an AKB without the slightest clue about them smacks of a man with a very narrow agenda. Yes, we are all entitled to our opinions, but if someone continually bangs the same drum over and over, then they can expect a backlash once in a while. If someone continually runs down my beloved club and advocates abusing its players, I'll eventually tell them to shut the f up. I make no apology for that. Offering to meet someone face to face is very brave on the internet, when we both know it won't happen.

  42. WENGER MUST GO. I HAVE CHANGED MY SLOGAN NOW. (MARCUS)

    Aug 26, 2014, 20:31 #55980

    @ Rocky rip look son if you want to tell me to shut the f up you can say it to my face on wednesday son. No bother to me with you saying it to my face big man!! Also I as a fan have the right to critcise any player or manager I want especially if I'm helping to pay their wages by me buying a ticket to go watch them. So don't try and come on here trying to say only your point of view is the right one. I don't think arsenal will ever win the premier league again under wenger. That is my opinion maybe in the communist mindset of the akbs any dissent is not tolerated. Last time I checked I was living in a liberal western democracy. So keep your positive wenger lovefest to your fellow communist mindset wengerites. Again son you can come tell me to shut the **** up tomorrow. I have no problem with that. Again also what is wrong with me promising to never post on here if Giroud scores 25 goals?? I said it before he was diagnosed with the broken foot. Wenger is the one that said Giroud can score 25 goals in the premier league again my opinion differs and I don't think he can score 25 goals in the pl as in “MY OPINION“ he's not good enough!!! Its called having an opinion but again when you come from a typical akb communist mindset any dissent to the dear leaders opinion is seen as nonsense lool.

  43. Th15afc

    Aug 26, 2014, 20:22 #55979

    Rocky Rip- I find myself agreeing to a lot of things you say...especially ur comments on pathetic Finsbury joe and Marcus

  44. Rocky RIP

    Aug 26, 2014, 20:15 #55978

    Finsbury Joe - oh those immortal words 'the shift in the balance of power in North London.' Season in, season out Sp*rs fans claim it's happening. We've now heard it suggested after a record-breaking two matches. Marvellous stuff. Jokers! Just think, win your next 36 games and you are champions! The 54 year wait for a title will be over. You will have finished above Arsenal for the first time since 1995 (when you came a mighty 7th.) The 24 year wait for a meaningful trophy will become a distant memory and the media will FINALLY shut up about the Sp*rs' trophy drought. Oh, hold on. (Thank you Badarse for the nod.)

  45. BADARSE

    Aug 26, 2014, 19:34 #55977

    This is so silly, but funny. 24601, at the BBQ your rendition of 'Empty chairs at empty tables', was so melancholy, it was either that or the drizzle, which cleared the garden in one minute flat. You have to cut out all this, 'to the barricades' lark, and then climbing the gazebo. The fact that I am rolling around with laughter is not the sign for you to burst forth into 'Red and Black', sung from the Gazebo top, clutching a plateful of cheeseballs. You know I will always support you but we do each other up sometimes, so our cycling finale with the 'Raindrops' song, must not be performed in boxer shorts and wellies this year. Rocky RIP, good to hear from you again, I shall clear our very own table for the BBQ's 'knees-up'. Remember our song? 'Polish, polish, polish, rub, rub, rub. Polish the cup, then have a sup, rub, rub, rub, the shield down the pub. Spit, rub, spit, rub, rub-a-dub-dub. We won the Cup!

  46. JAMIE

    Aug 26, 2014, 18:51 #55976

    I think the suspect needs to be interrogated a little more in good old communistic style.1.Does the subject know the words to 'A blue hat for a blue day.2.Does he occasionally slip into a Saratovian accent.3.How grey in appearance does the subject appear ie. hint of grey/moonie grey/almost blue.We then will have a better Idea of the sort of heretic we're facing comrades.

  47. Rocky RIP

    Aug 26, 2014, 18:50 #55975

    MARCUS - I've resisted the urge to engage with your meaningless horse wipe for quite some time now, but you really need to be told to shut the f up I'm afraid. Please name me one occasion when abusing your own players made them play better? If you'd abused your own players from the Clock End back in the days of terracing you would have been promptly handed your arse.(The promise not to post any longer if Giroud scores 25 goals tells everyone all they need to know about you and your sole purpose for posting. I'm not sure you've ever said a good word about the club you claim to support. Picture 60,000 versions of you in stadium. What support that would be.)Things are rarely ideal at any football club, and surely nobody claims Wenger is perfect, but please, find some balance, some perspective. EVERYTHING YOU SAY IS NEGATIVE (MARCUS)

  48. Hiccup

    Aug 26, 2014, 18:48 #55974

    So saying "spend, spend, spend" when there's a striker problem makes one a Chelsea fan? So what should one say in such circumstances? When adebayor was sold for £25m I vividly remember everyone shouting 'bank it wenger and that will sort the problem". Yes the arsenal way is so much better. Neglect the problem and wait for an out of contract freebie. Or even better, when you have a problem with hopeless strikers like bendtner and chamack, just persevere with them for the existence of their contracts. That's so much better than going through the bother of diagnosing the problem and rectifying it. I hope all true fans follow this code of conduct if giroud is injured, and pray that wenger doesn't go out and spend to solve the problem. That would make you a Chelsea fan. Let's just muddle through the problem and see where we come out...

  49. Westlower

    Aug 26, 2014, 18:13 #55973

    @Jamie & Badarse, Apart from his 'I luv Maureen' t-shirt, one of Marcus's giveaway phrases is SPEND, SPEND, SPEND. Isn't that how a Chav reacts to a problem. When your Sugar Daddy has a bottomless pit of dosh, just keep throwing money at the problem. Torres didn't work out, so buy another one. Ba didn't work out, so buy another one, Eto'o didn't work out, so buy another one. If Costa doesn't work out buy A.N. Other for £50m! 'If I were a rich man......'

  50. WENGER MUST GO. I HAVE CHANGED MY SLOGAN NOW. (MARCUS)

    Aug 26, 2014, 17:49 #55972

    @ maguiresbridge gooner Look none of these wenger disciples have the guts to make such a bold promise like me. I said a many time on here that if Giroud scores 25 goals this season I will never ever post on here. If they were so confident in Giroud scoring 25 goals in the PREMIER LEAGUE, they would have made a counter promise that if he does not score 25 goals in the PREMIER LEAGUE they would never post on here to, but they they know he will never score 25 goals in the premier league as as he is not good enough. Anyway have you noticed that whenever you criticise wenger you are called a FAKE FAN or if you praise another so called rival you are a FAKE FAN and you support the said team you are praising. Its typical akb nonsense straight out of the communist akb headquarters lool. Typical tactical used by a many of communist countries. Its not surprising as these guys literally worship their DEAR OLD GREAT LEADER. If we lose tomorrow dammm all that scrambling for 4th place would have been for absolutely nothing.

  51. JAMIE

    Aug 26, 2014, 17:44 #55971

    BADARSE:I also remember there were far more AMG's that attended the BBQ than expected as we quickly ran out of peas.Lots of grey faced individuals who had been spending too much time howling at the moon and listening to Pink Floyd. John Major's Spitting Image puppet made an appearance, who seemed to hit it off very well with MARCUS.

  52. Fred

    Aug 26, 2014, 17:23 #55970

    Bard im putting out a line of t-shirts with stenciled slogans on them for true supporters to wear ... to show they are getting behind Arsene lol.... 6-0 At The Bridge And Still Singing ... lol! That should be a top seller ha! We Finished Third ! lol is of course dependent on that happening... but if Jamie says its nailed on then it must be true.... because he knows everything lol... ha ! ha!

  53. BADARSE

    Aug 26, 2014, 17:06 #55969

    Ha ha, JAMIE. I remember Finsbury Joe tried to do his marching act as he sang the 'Gory' song, then trod in someone's trifle, and slipped on his Arsenal. Getting him to do a Houdini act was a great call fella, especially when we scooped him up and locked him in the boot of KC's car. I caught MARCUS picking his onions off his bun trying to make a loom bracelet with them. Full marks for effort, but did he shout when they kept breaking. More English mustard, missus?

  54. JAMIE

    Aug 26, 2014, 16:44 #55968

    Lat years BBQ didn't have the best of weather.Poor Finsbury Joe who's a very pale chap at the best of times looked almost lily white,while I remember poor MARCUS turning quite blue as the evening went on.

  55. BADARSE

    Aug 26, 2014, 16:24 #55967

    DJ, the invite is in the post, chum. It is held annually at maguirebridge's. Last year we had a problem with DWT threatening to jump off the window ledge, such was his angst with Arsenal's poor form at the time. It was only the ground floor window I might add, so was only three feet off the ground. I had to talk him down! In doing so he trod in the window box breaking some of maguiresbridge's wife's pansies-we stuck some of MARCUS's lollipops in to disguise the damage. It's a fun time where we bury our differences, we buried a couple WOB's and the other posse buried three AKB's. You can be in charge of the baked bean counter. JAMIE was in charge last year, but he is a little sod and keeps flicking them at the dog. The 'ding dong' as the sun goes down is also good fun, the high spot is a traditional piece, MARCUS sings a solo 'SILENT NIGHT', then we throw bread rolls at him.

  56. BADARSE

    Aug 26, 2014, 16:03 #55966

    Bard I give you that, it's difficult enough debating our transfer policy with Arsenal fans, let alone those you mention who have no sense of value. At the BBQ I did see you palming cards though, and offering to play 'Snap' with a passing Sours neck was taboo. maguiresbridge is desperately trying to crank up our BBQ's into a 'Garden Party' status, so be prepared at this years function to drink Bovril out of a china teacup, through a straw. If he says he has something he wants to show you, don't go with him. It will be his Batman memorabilia collection he keeps in his garage, and you will not be allowed to touch anything. I went last year and we had to put on Batman masks, then before he goes into his garage he insists on saying, 'To the Bat cave', and gives a little jump through the doorway, last year he twisted his ankle, and blamed it on his new socks. Then when he turns the light it has a Batman signal on it. He likes to do a 'Joker Dance', that's the worst thing, all very testing-the dancing and the laughing, I just usually shake my leg a bit, cough, and fall down.

  57. DJ

    Aug 26, 2014, 15:54 #55965

    BADARSE: How do you get an invite to the virtual Gooner BBQ? As an occasional poster on here I make not have earned one yet but I get hours of fun reading all the comments often laughing out loud at the various barbs much to the chagrin of my work colleagues. I admitt to being more of a Bard than a Jamie but I'm more than willing to serve the drinks????

  58. Bard

    Aug 26, 2014, 15:31 #55964

    Whatever the feeling about who he should have bought. its a tall order for the club to get someone in before Monday. Given much depends on tomorrow it give him 4/5 days to sort something out. He's not renowned as a man of action more he has a reputation as a ditherer in the transfer market. so my best guess is maybe a cheap loan ( preferably someone who is not injured for several months) also he is not going to buy someone to replace Giroud so a stop gap seems most likely. Freddie hasn't got back to me about the T shirt. I think the XL might have scared him off. Baddie you're slightly unkind about my cards playing skills. I have been known to mesmerise people with the speed and dexterity of my shuffle, but its my penetrating insights into matters Arsenal that often causes mayhem at BBQ's. And if you think thats nothing try arguing that Arsenals' transfer policy makes with a load of Chavs and Mancs, it takes cunning and bluff of the highest order. Here's a question is Jamie Pete reincarnated?

  59. Moscow Gooner

    Aug 26, 2014, 15:06 #55963

    Jamie - going through your list: Podolski,Sanchez,Walcott,Ramsey,Sanogo - Sanchez proved in the first 45 at Goodison exactly why he shouldn't be played as a lone striker, - Podolski should be able to do the job, but has been given the chance more than a few times and failed to convince: anyway I think his heart is already back in Germany (sadly), - Ramsey: scores plenty from midfield but not cut out to play up front, - Walcott: again tried plenty of times in the central striker role; never convinces, - Sanogo: far from the finished article - friendly goals against Benfica notwithstanding. So maybe we should give Diaby a go up there.... or perhaps instead go out and buy a consistent goal scorer before the season runs away from us (again)?

  60. BADARSE

    Aug 26, 2014, 14:34 #55962

    JAMIE, my man, you may be right. The description could fit the bill, buddy. I can vouch for maguiresbridge and Bard, they were at the Online Gooner virtual BBQ last year and I saw their true colours-they were definitely red and white. Though come to think of it, in all honesty the white sleeves looked a bit grey. Perhaps it was the fact that they stood in the shade a lot...hang on, who stands in the shade but a Dark Moony? Naw, I won't have that, I must be mistaken. I did catch maguiresbridge in the flowerbeds twice though, he was trying to convince a garden gnome that we should get David Moyes in as manager, but the gnome was having none of it. Bard spent the afternoon trying to do card tricks-he kept dropping them all the time, they always went wrong, but I found out later that he'd told the nippers he was Dynamo. He walked into the sliding doors once which kind of put paid to that one. maguiresbridge has many party tricks, he is a wow to be with, but refuses to come in when it gets dark...hang on, there's that Dark Moony thing again! Naw, my imagination.

  61. BADARSE

    Aug 26, 2014, 14:20 #55961

    Thanks for the response again Maxwell, Eastbourne is a nice part of the world, and despite the curtailment I hope you enjoyed your footie there. Just a small point, you don't have to be hard-working, (I really try to avoid hard work wherever possible, having witnessed my Mum and Dad graft so, all their lives), and loyalty comes in many guises. Some consider themselves loyal but are like a fifth column to me, so interpretation in all things. I do get your gist though. My view is have opinions on everything, and as deeply felt, and as finely tuned as possible, garner as much info as possible, and ignore all sound bites. Glad we agree on young Jack. Balotelli I think we were wise to avoid and I don't go with the newspaper stories of Remy or anyone else, unless substantiated. As I said originally, I shall just wait and see. Fingers crossed.

  62. JAMIE

    Aug 26, 2014, 14:03 #55960

    BADARSE:I suspect MARCUS is a chav.Looking back through his posts he bigs up Chelsea a lot.When he started slagging Gooners fans of as being upper class twits and the chavs as being great cockney geezers, the coin dropped.True wob's like maguirebridge and Bard would never stoop that low and will say something encouraging every now and again.

  63. BADARSE

    Aug 26, 2014, 13:37 #55959

    MARCUS, are you sure you are an Arsenal fan? There seemed to be delight in your post that Giroud is injured. In my household we were quite sombre at the news, nobody whooping and lollipopping, like yourself. Beware Dark Moonies, he will suck you in, lick you, and spit you out-refuse to be a lollipop! You have been warned. @David I can understand the reason in your post. If AW decided to go with what he had and just use the three strikers, he now has to find a replacement at the eleventh hour-if one is available. It may be an emergency loan or something akin to that. He had made a decision, as likely as not. Your gripe must be with the original premise not the subsequent injury to Giroud. You thought he should sign a fourth central striker and get rid of one? Keep all four and get rid of a midman/defender? Your opinion, and respected, even if I don't agree with it. Of course people can moan and complain, and sneer even at Giroud's injury, but it does not strengthen the original argument-fourth striker or not.

  64. Bard

    Aug 26, 2014, 13:34 #55958

    Freddie; welcome back. You go missing for days on end and I worry that you've been taken away in a white van. Can I have one of those T shirts ( XL as you would expect)? I like the colour red but with white trimmings. could you put in brackets underneath 'because mystic Jamie says we will'. Who would have imagined that tomorrow would be the most important mach of the season? What a week we have in prospect. Every man and his dog knows we need a CB and now a CF, a position Wenger hates because he may have to pay over the odds. Does he stick or twist ? Could his legendary stubbornness be his ultimate undoing? Terrific stuff

  65. JAMIE

    Aug 26, 2014, 13:19 #55957

    Look,Bedwetting Dark Moonies or AKB's people have their own opinions on Arsenal and you won't find me ever getting offended by what people say.We also have to accept the fact that large mud pies are coming our way when we start crying and playing the victim after just two games into the season.

  66. maguiresbridge gooner

    Aug 26, 2014, 13:15 #55956

    MARCUS, DW, don't forget the eleventh commandment.

  67. maguiresbridge gooner

    Aug 26, 2014, 13:01 #55955

    MARCUS, a very fair and brave statement indeed and made more than once, and we're still waiting for one the Giroud luvvies who think he's so good to follow suit, and come out and claim if he doesn't score 25 goals this season they'll never post again either.

  68. Maxwell

    Aug 26, 2014, 12:38 #55954

    Funny how this was all pointed out weeks ago. We need another CF. Since then we've been linked with Welbeck (no thanks), Remy (he's French so im surprised AW hasn't already signed him) & Cavani (wishful thinking).

  69. JAMIE

    Aug 26, 2014, 12:29 #55953

    MARCUS:I bet you would be well gutted if we beat the chavs away wouldn't you.

  70. WENGER MUST GO. I HAVE CHANGED MY SLOGAN NOW. (MARCUS)

    Aug 26, 2014, 12:15 #55952

    Wow so it seems giroud won't be scoring 25 goals in the premiership dammm. I was looking forward to not having to post on here. Oh well. So the great wenger has played another master piece wow. He actually thought we could win the pl with giroud, saNOGOAL and campbell loool. Wow great masterplan our great leader. Yes we will beat man city and chelsea away with those options lool. What a joke of a man.

  71. Mike

    Aug 26, 2014, 12:14 #55951

    Compare Wilshire to Ramsey - one has overcome major injuries, toiled through a major slump of form and is beginning to reap the benefit. The other has coasted along thinking he will naturally improve - all about attitude. Both started at the same place, one is now left standing despite having the same coaches

  72. David

    Aug 26, 2014, 12:05 #55950

    @Bad Arse - My point is that it's too late to sort this problem out this season. Maybe Podolski can fit the role, but the lack of a top notch CF was the reason our away form last season against top teams read like the Red Army's butcher's bill at Stalingrad. As, I think you might've asked, who's available now? Anyone now is just a panic buy; AW missed out in the summer. Once upon a time, AW was A1 on top of things - now he looks a little punch drunk.

  73. DJ

    Aug 26, 2014, 12:04 #55949

    Big game tomorrow night which I feel will shape our season. If we manage to qualify I hope we spend money on three quality players through the spine of our team. The trouble is Chelsea and Man City are becoming like Barcelona and Real Madrid in dominating our league. No way we could afford to have 200k a week misfit like Torres twiddling his thumbs for two years!

  74. Fred

    Aug 26, 2014, 12:03 #55948

    I'm having my 'WE FINISHED THIRD !' T-shirt made ready to celebrate it lol! Ha! ha!

  75. Maxwell

    Aug 26, 2014, 11:51 #55947

    Whilst I think as hard-working and loyal season ticket holders we are entitled to our opinions on the team we follow with so much loyalty, it's also important any criticism has some basis or foundation. To simply get drawn into this AMG is fickle and insulting at times considering most of us haven't ever played or managed at that level. Yes there are things that could be done differently and certainly a CF is needed badly. This morning We are now being linked with Remy AGAIN. A player that we flirted with months ago. This lack of preparation leaves us vulnerable to clubs that now know we are desperate for a CF. So I guess we will pay extortionate amounts now for players we could have bought a long time ago at reasonable market value. Dare I say even Balotelli was available if he went to Liverpool for 16mil (I'm in no way implying he would have been suitable for AFC) I played for Eastbourne Borough for 2 seasons, prior to being released for reasons I never understood. Moving on.... Wiltshere has been a sad story, I agree with everything you've said about him, couldn't have put it any better myself. I just hope our overly agressive media don't carry on as they have been, slaughtering players for under achiving. He's still young, let's give him time. But his style which is pleasing on the eyes and why he's different from anything else we have does leave him exposed to injuries. That extra touch he takes, that last minute touch that allows tackles from defenders, whilst it may create that little space and open up defences, he will carry on getting these knocks. The prem is unforgiving and he will only have himself to blame when he's spending more time with the clubs medical and physio team than on the pitch.

  76. Fred

    Aug 26, 2014, 11:32 #55946

    You are right Mike saying tat Poldolski is still with us lol... The bed wetters and dark moonies cant see the brilliant ploy by Arsene pretending that he was going to sell him after leaving him out last week to train alone lol ..........ha! ha! ha !.......... Or that Sanago is the new Henry who will blast away Chelsea and City lol....... Ha! Ha!

  77. JAMIE

    Aug 26, 2014, 11:30 #55945

    I think people are panicking too much about this center forward position we find ourself in. Are we going to just keep buying players just because someone gets injured.We still have a huge amount of attacking ability available,Podolski,Sanchez,Walcott,Ramsey,Sanogo plus all our midfielders are capable of scoring goals and most of you wob's were saying how useless Giroud was the other day.I've never been a fan of relying on certain players because more likely or not when they're out others step into the fold and do a far better job.I remember back in the ninetees all the wob's of the day were crying because Ian Wright was missing and we went and scored seven against Standard Liege,they were again all having girly hissy fits before the final yet we won.Please stop judging the players from game to game,I can guarantee this team is top 3 at the worst,chin up gooners.Also you have to learn not to react to the trolls who come on this site trying to unstable our more weak minded fans.

  78. What was the point in leaving Highbury?

    Aug 26, 2014, 11:06 #55944

    I have tried to stay positive this summer after some promising signs in thetransfer window which were surely the precursor to addressing the very obvious short comings of this squad. Namely no decent CFs at the club, not enough bodies at the back and truely top class strong athletic midfielder. As normal the glaring is ignored by Wenger. We have now been without a top class forward since RVP left. The injury to Giroud may be a blessing in disguise. I suppose we should hold fire until the window shuts and keep everything crossed. On the pitch the season appears to be another Groundhog day one. Terrible defending, predicatble slow build up play, a number of players sulking (Ozil) and Monreal getting shown up again. Anyway, only three more years and surely he will go!!!!

  79. BADARSE

    Aug 26, 2014, 11:06 #55943

    Great response Maxwell-come and join the club David, please? Who did you play for? Wembley? The 'Playstation' comment wasn't aimed directly at you buddy, but to anyone who wants to identify in such a fashion. With Suarez in Spain I think Aguero is the best there is in the PL, but have always edged him over Suarez because of his personality. The situation we are in is a tricky one. I agree in essence with our shortcomings that you identify, I think most do. There is not an 'AKB command post', despite claims to the contrary, neither is there a 'Dark Moony Shadow Corner', though I do think some may retire into the cupboard under the stairs for the night, after they've eaten their dinners. The nucleus of the solution seems to be spend money to buy quality and improve, or not. There is a cynicism that AFC are happy with the scenario of spending enough to get to the 'money threshold' but not able/interested in going the extra distance to secure the glory. Is it because we don't want to, or can't? Pared down to it's basics as I have just done, means it shouldn't be enough of a disparity between the two considered 'sides', to go to war. We should be Arsenal fans and at least have some unity, or a bond. Of the two fundamental considerations I lean one way, someone else the other. That's it! Wilshere? When he burst onto the scene I said to a close friend that he would govern and run England's midfield for years. He went to join the squad, mixed with John Terry Thug, Lampard, Cole, Simon Cowell, (only joking), and Uncle Tom Cobbley. He perhaps realised he was a star, and a very rich one at that. The danger of listening to, and believing your own publicity is a menace. It is more so if you are a young testosterone drenched young athlete. Injuries and club upheavals, poor publicity in our 'scandal rags', and the problems that come with fatherhood, and just growing up, are taking their toll. I still insist he is a wonderfully talented young footballer, and glad he is ours. He has had a criticism levelled at him that he 'lunges' in too many tackles, which leads to self-inflicted injuries, and that needs coaching out of him if possible. His other concern is carrying the ball too much at the wrong times, inviting injury causing tackles. Again coaching offers a solution. All potentially revised adjustments to his style of play, but who knows? That is the beauty of life, never quite being sure, or knowing. Nothing is written in stone-except the love we may have for Arsenal.

  80. Maxwell

    Aug 26, 2014, 10:49 #55942

    You prepare for circumstances. Had we bought another proven CF and he injured himself, we would still have Giroud to turn to. Surely we have to expect injuries and should therefore prepare for such 'circumstances'. Instead we are now left with Yaya Sir No Goal and Campbell. Both, like David has just pointed, are unproven at this level. Yes we will get a few goals from Podolski, Ramsey, the Ox and hopefully Walcott when he returns. We can't surely expect them to see us through games against the likes if Chelsea, Man city or Liverpool?! Against Everton we did well but they tired towards the end, I'm not sure Terry and Cahill would allow us the chance to recover a quick fire double in the dying minutes of a game. To even suggest we can break them down without an out and out seasoned CF is laughable

  81. Maxwell

    Aug 26, 2014, 10:36 #55941

    Badarse Just to be clear - although my post may not suggest it, I am an optimist. But I also believe in preparation. I don't believe we are fully prepared to compete for the league. Whilst I can't question our ambition, I have to question the manner in which we show that ambition. Giroud is not in the same league as Costa, Aguero and RVP. However Id still have him over the likes of Sturridge, Dzeko, Torres and Lambert (I'm only comparing him against the teams who are more than likely going to be up there come end of the season). Having played at semi pro level (with 4 glorious FA Cup appearances haha) and watched our beloved arsenal for the last 12 years, I'm not one for judging playing on their Playstation ratings. Your thoughts on Wiltshere???

  82. Mike

    Aug 26, 2014, 10:32 #55940

    Everyone seems to forget that we do have a German International quite capable of playing as a striker - when I last looked, he was still an Arsenal player

  83. BADARSE

    Aug 26, 2014, 10:13 #55939

    David, I do understand the need to display solidarity amongst those who you see as an ally, against those that you may see as a foe. If you remove those preconceptions and apply a sense of logic, as an independent and unbiased individual you may see things differently-of course you may not, it may not be your truth to see. I have no personal agenda against Maxwell who, as likely as not, is like yourself a really nice chap-you are Arsenal supporters after all, and that is a good start for me. His post said, Giroud was out and not good news. We know that! He also said he won't get 25 goals now. We know that! He then offered up a guess-that AW may expect the midfielders to get the goals now. If he doesn't get a replacement then obviously they will have to share the burden, and of course to a lesser extent the defenders will aid the cause too, so we know that! He then suggests Chelsea will finish above us. I tipped them to win the title this season again, so-we know that! He ends his post with a request that AW listens to the fans-he means himself. I read, (listened), and as just itemised the lad said nothing. Do you think AW might have learned anything from his post that I didn't? He is a very sharp individual so he may have done, though I doubt it. My response to him was a friendly, and dare I say wiser message. It is as nothing if with experience we cannot explain to a frustrated young man, who probably cares deeply for his team, that the world is turning just as expected and taking shape even though the forms haven't yet shown themselves. My post was advisory, to avoid panic and wailing. Do you understand it now? Perhaps both of you do, and have learned a little from it. If not, just have a moan again, but believe it or not, I am on the side of both of you. I would always rather be friends than enemies. Good old Arsenal.

  84. Bard

    Aug 26, 2014, 9:54 #55938

    I agree there is no need to go into meltdown about the striking situation. Im with the AKBs on this one. We are a top club challenging for the title and all elite clubs have at least three top strikers just for this eventuality. Sanogo and Campbell are more than up to the job. I'm sure Sanogo will get a goal before Xmas and Wally will be back sometime in the next few months. All the naysayers and dark moonies who suggest that this was an accident waiting to happen are 'demented bedwetters' ( I borrowed that from Fred who is an expert on bedwetters) and 'boo hoo babies' ( borrowed that from Jamie).

  85. Mathew

    Aug 26, 2014, 9:50 #55937

    Oh well, well, well... Manolas deal is off too, Roma snatched him.

  86. David

    Aug 26, 2014, 9:40 #55936

    @BadArse -an open debate about our trio of strikers? Main CF a crock, and two blokes who have never scored for Arsenal and have no proven track record at any level... T'is but a scratch, ay? Maxwell is right.

  87. David

    Aug 26, 2014, 9:23 #55935

    @A Cornish Gooner - are you also facing Wenger's cunning plans for this season with a due sense of exhaustion and dread? @Roy - Thank you for the compliment.

  88. BADARSE

    Aug 26, 2014, 8:56 #55934

    What an odd post Maxwell. Circumstance my friend, circumstance. Had we bought the 'new' striker it may have been him damaging his foot, and then what? Bleating, whining and complaining that he should have bought two men? It is an open debate whether the three strikers, in Giroud, Sanogo and Campbell are good enough to do a job for us over a season-certainly not good enough for the 'Playstation' fans. However we have lost the main man, and I for one shall miss him. I believe we need to replace if possible. Those last two words of the previous sentence carry much weight. Let's see what occurs. We don't need a Dad's Army 'Don't panic! Don't panic!' reaction, nor do we need the bleating faint heart approach. We should be responding to this crisis in a mature, extra vintage, strength 5, cheese fashion.

  89. chris dee

    Aug 26, 2014, 8:55 #55933

    After 2 games what has become obvious is that we cannot compete physically with City or Chelsea.We may have skill,passing ability blah blah blah but once again we will be beaten by teams who have power and speed all over the pitch.Yet again Arsene hasn't addressed this and our chances of winning at top Premiership clubs again looks remote.No matter how much I love the club I cannot see us going to, say, Chelsea and matching them tackle for tackle and attitude for attitude and grinding out a 1-0 win.Hope I'm wrong but until we start beating our immediate rivals we will again have a problem.

  90. Maxwell

    Aug 26, 2014, 8:21 #55932

    Arsenal confirm Giroud could be out for 8 weeks after injuring his ankle. Brilliant news! Let's see what plan the great Arsene has now. Goodluck getting more than 25 prem goals from Giroud. Even a for Giroud can't surpass the 20 mark. I guess Wengers master plan is for the midfielders to score the goals now. I can see us beating Chelsea to the prem now, especially as they finished above us last season and HAVE also added a world class striker to their ranks (unlike us) who has 25 plus goals in him. Here's to another season of begging Arsene to listen to us fans

  91. BADARSE

    Aug 26, 2014, 7:58 #55931

    24601, this is not so much a Spartacus moment-but I stand alongside you all the same, 'I'm Bertie Bassett!'

  92. Westlower

    Aug 26, 2014, 7:53 #55930

    @Marcus You asked if Gooners ever said anything bad about George Graham? Yes, we moaned about his acceptance of a £425,000 bung from his transfer dealings & overly defensive tactics in the final two years of his tenure. Not only wasn't it good to watch but we came desperately close to being relegated in his final season, winning only 13 of our 42 games, scoring a meagre 52 goals, totalling 51 points. If that same team were performing today we'd be relegation candidates. For all that, we still turned up every week to support the team & GG as overall he was a great AFC manager. Given your previous extreme views you may find that concept hard to digest? It's unhelpful to abuse the manager/players of your own team as nobody, apart from the opposition, gains ? I once sat near a foul abuser in an away game at Coventry & he was on Keown's back all afternoon. Martin was playing out of position in midfield (yes it happened back then as well)and the endless tirade from this passionate abuser embarrassed his poor wife & young kids. It was only having his family present that stopped a head on confrontation with yours truly. Any fool can support a winning team as it's safe & comfy. That's why so many 'loyal' floaters switch from Man U to CFC & Man City, depending on which way the wind is blowing. As for Giroud scoring 25 goals that debate is now redundant due to his injury. Anyway Marcus we'd miss your incisive opinions should he had achieved that target. I'm sure Maguiresbridge will echo that sentiment? Tomorrows game becomes so much harder due to the absence of Giroud, Ramsey & Arteta. A win at all costs is a must. Poor biased review of the Everton game by Jamie Carragher last night, highlighting that Everton sadly didn't win the game due to being tired. Completely overlooked the fact that AFC were away in Istanbul midweek and were the only side entitled to feel tired. 2-0 and they still f**ked up! Liverpool's odds have been pushed out to 16/1 to win the PL this morning & they visit the mighty Sours at the weekend. @DWT, Looking at the times of your posts I suggest you switch off and get some sleep before you make yourself ill - it's only football matey! Take care of yourself & your family, AFC will take care of itself. They were here before we were born & they be here when we've gone, all the rest is just liquorice allsorts.

  93. Bard

    Aug 26, 2014, 7:53 #55929

    Jamie you're pronouncements are wasted on this site. 'If we had bought Fabregas then so and so would happen'. Mate its amazing that you can read the future. I think you find the contradictions on here challenging and crave a certainty and order that doesn't exist. You still haven't listed the players who have been hounded out by the fans.

  94. JAMIE

    Aug 26, 2014, 7:21 #55928

    According to the AMG's everything Wenger does is wrong and everything he doesn't do was a missed opportunity.If Wenger had bought back Fabregas you can bet your life they would all be saying 'why has Wenger bought back a player who didn't want to stay with us in the first place,and who is clearly not good enough for Barcelona.'The same if Wenger hadn't bought Ozil or Sanchez the cry baby AMG's would be saying'Why hasn't Wenger gone in for world class players like Ozil and Sanchez'.BOOH HOO HOO,Big babies the lot of them and their weeny brains are very easy to fathom out.

  95. Ozzie...

    Aug 26, 2014, 6:40 #55927

    Those who get too big for their pants will be exposed in the end :-)

  96. DW Thomas

    Aug 26, 2014, 4:24 #55926

    On a serious note, Giroud news. Could be out with a broken foot for 3 months. Wow, who are we left with? Goodbye title shot if we don't buy someone top class. Monsieur Wenger, the ball is in your court!

  97. DW Thomas

    Aug 26, 2014, 2:40 #55925

    Sorry about that last post. Let my try to explain, I don't think you'll believe my tale! I was outside tonight mowing my lawn and almost ran over a little chum not 3 inches tall. His name was Regnew. He had a pointy green hat, some little green tights, and some of those little green shoes with the curly cue toes! As a reward for not taking his head off with me mower blade, the wee feller reached into his itsy bitsy satchel and pulled out some magic beans. He said these beans had power, the power to see clearly, without any blinders, who was the best manager of all time. His directions were you take one, grind it down, mix it with some Yorkshire puddin' and nosh it down. Before the little green gent left, he warned, should I partake in the concoction, I would have a beautiful season of wonderful thoughts about the best manager in the whole of footballdom. He would thrill us with well earned points and deserved titles of the highest order. The only requirement, I must sign his little green ledger. As I opened the golden book, I noticed some familiar names from this site! So, I tried it and afterwards saw a blinding light and then fell fast asleep in me leather recliner. When I woke that last post just came to me. I couldn't wait to submit it. I wept as the letters left my fingertips! I finally had my epiphany, my awakening! I quietly thanked the little green man, and cried again as I realized I had been living in such darkness.

  98. WENGER HAS TO GO. I HAVE CHANGED MY SLOGAN NOW. (MARCUS)

    Aug 26, 2014, 2:01 #55924

    Great post by Dw thomas you hit the nail on the head lol. These wenger disciples see him as a god. He can't do no wrong and how dare you criticise our great leader its actually seriously unhealthy. I will never worship any person like that yes you can love loved ones but to actually worship someone that is down right cultish behaviour. Also very bizzare. If anyone says anything negative about wenger your a FAKE fan hahahahah. So did any of you akbs say anything bad about George Graham?? Or anyother manager before wenger. Again get the little point I was making?? Yes arsenal did have managers before this french guy wow shock horror lol and we will have more managers after he goes as well.!!

  99. A Cornish Gooner

    Aug 26, 2014, 1:27 #55923

    @DWT. Do I detect the slightest hint of sarcasm?

  100. DW Thomas

    Aug 26, 2014, 0:50 #55922

    Let us all bow down to his royal highness, the Wenger. We don't deserve him as our manager. He is too great for us pee brains who know nothing of this "ball you kick with foot". To question his decisions is to question greatness and his omnipotence should never be second guessed. His almighty supreme tactics lead to nothing but well earned points and titles. His players are only selected from the finest ballers of foot the world, or for that matter universe, over. His preeminence and dominance over competing managers is evident, as clear as the dawn of a new day. If failure nears him, it is swept away easily with succinct and glorius prose that glows with fact and stats as only one who has worked in the ball of foot as long as he has can muster. His millions earned by the hardest of hard work, no sloth is he, ever active in the windows of transfers. Great values are mined in the darkest caverns of the world where only his tremendous vision can spot that youthful diamond of substantial potential or the finshed jewel that fills his hilt. Never question him, for his word is the truth and he is never in error. He is all great and powerful. The invincible. And he will rise again!

  101. A Cornish Gooner

    Aug 26, 2014, 0:29 #55921

    @JAMIE What next? "Well you've come to the right place, WOB. A war's not been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside."

  102. I.M.O.

    Aug 25, 2014, 23:24 #55920

    I agree with @KnowMan totally. Ozil was an expensive buy. I don't see what he has offered to date in terms of what has been expected by a player of that value. He has wasted opportunities. I feel the sheep that have expressed his worth are purely basing their opinions on what was paid for him not taking into consideration what he has achieved in terms of assists and goals. They seem to think a miracle is about to happen. Game after game he has not delivered. I also agree that not buying Cesc was a huge mistake. He is worth his value. We could have been league contenders. I feel with Ozil we will not be sadly, again .........

  103. JAMIE

    Aug 25, 2014, 23:18 #55919

    The majority of stuff the wob come out with is just the same rehashed b*llo*ks they've been coming out with for years.Personally I find their arguments are about as convincing as a giraffe in dark glasses trying to get into a polar bear only golf club.

  104. Roy

    Aug 25, 2014, 22:36 #55918

    David, sometimes you can say a great deal without using many words at all. I think that last sentence of your post sums it up quite nicely.

  105. KnowMan

    Aug 25, 2014, 22:30 #55917

    Was Ozil playing?!!! Why was the Ox removed? Ozil once again offered nothing. But yes he is class. We cannot afford to carry him for another season. One pass in 90 minutes is simply not good enough. He's a luxury we cannot afford. We didn't sign Cesc who offers goals, assists, and can get stuck in just so Ozil can keep his place regardless of form. Ridiculous.

  106. David

    Aug 25, 2014, 22:28 #55916

    Yeah...Wenger still must go. This is just another top 4 season. He won't take the necessary risks in the transfer market to really challenge. There should have been another new CF as well as DM. How is he not able to see how mediocre his side is? And how much more time is JW gong to get? He needs to do what he did to the Merse. He's lost the ruthless edge he had 10 years ago.

  107. WENGER MUST GO. I HAVE NOW CHANGED MY SLOGAN

    Aug 25, 2014, 21:50 #55915

    So in the eyes of the akbs they love that one lol. Any fan that insults wenger or any of the dreadful players our not arsenal fans??? hahaha nonsensical can one be, to even come out with that. What fan have you ever met who is not even a tiny upset with what is going on the pitch?? Have you heard manure fans lately?? Fans who pay money to watch dross have the right to speak their minds. I thought this was the UK or is it North Korea?? Well it might be to the delusional akbs who can see nothing wrong. I always ask these folks who our so up OGLS Butt what will they do when he finally leaves which I believe this is hes last contract?? He will not be the manager for ever you know. He will leave. Also again if Giroud scores 25 goals this season I repeat I will never post on here again. So let ask the dodged question again. Do you think Giorud will score 25 goals this season in the PREMIER LEAGUE. Don't make excuses about not reading my stuff as I bet my bottom dollar you read it. Answer the question I know you would face to face.

  108. BADARSE

    Aug 25, 2014, 21:42 #55914

    Ah maguiresbridge, got to be up early again tomorrow, ten minutes before I go to bed. Polishing me leather sleeve cuffs of me milko's jacket in readiness, fingerless gloves kept handy, hee-hee, braces taut, snout behind me ear'ole, flat cap on me bonce-I am ready for the world. Reckon that ol' 'itler bloke wouldn't stand a chance against us, we are the fourth service! No hang on, Arsenal is the fourth service so we has to be the fifth then. 'Double cream missus?'

  109. maguiresbridge gooner

    Aug 25, 2014, 20:34 #55913

    BADARSE, glad you got milk round finished although i'm still waiting on mine I guess I'll have to skip the coffee and stick with the stella maybe it was the horse who was pulling he cart.

  110. Westlower

    Aug 25, 2014, 20:17 #55912

    @John Gage I think you've largely answered your own question by suggesting Man U have a massive advantage by not playing midweek in Europe. Also Liverpool have lost their best player. Interestingly, the betting without Man City & CFC, both Man U & Liverpool are 5/2, with AFC at 6/4. Should Liverpool get a result tonight the betting will see a big change with CFC going odds on to win PL. Given the strength of the top pairs squads it'll take a monumental effort by one of AFC, Man U or Liverpool to win the title. The bookies reckon the title is 70% certain to be won by CFC or Man City, with AFC rated as only having a 12.5% chance. That is the reality of the PL when two clubs are so financially powerful.

  111. maguiresbridge gooner

    Aug 25, 2014, 20:03 #55911

    Hiccup 59127, Quip of the day in there, as good as chawing tobacco and spitting it on a hound.

  112. Westlower

    Aug 25, 2014, 19:54 #55910

    @Marcus, Concentrate. I've previously posted my responses to you on Post 58799, 8.55 am 20th Aug & Post 58967, 8.08 am 23rd Aug. Suffice to say I've chosen not to respond to all your disrespectful comments , such as you regarding Wenger as a fraud & Giroud as useless. Hardly the sentiments of a Gooner.

  113. BADARSE

    Aug 25, 2014, 19:45 #55909

    Glad I made you laugh Bard, it makes me smile knowing it chum.

  114. JAMIE

    Aug 25, 2014, 19:20 #55908

    I think a top class centre half would be handy if we can get one in.. the other positions I'm not really fussed,how many players do we need!..Like BADARSE said you've read one MARCUS post you've read them all like most Wob posts they're all very repetitive.(Busted flush, AKB's,This players rubbish,blahblahblah so tend to just skim through them,like episodes of EastEnders just a lot of old hot air cockney flannel.

  115. Bard

    Aug 25, 2014, 19:00 #55907

    Baddie; great post, made me laugh. A moment's respite from the serious business of supporting Arsenal !!! Dartford I agree he's here to stay but there are mixed feelings about it. Certain players and Wenger get made scapegoats for the frustrations that surround a fundamental deceit. The club keep spinning the 'promised land' but it seems as far away right now as it was 5 years ago. Its this that creates the bile and discord among the fans in my opinion.

  116. BADARSE

    Aug 25, 2014, 19:00 #55906

    Hi Man United Killer, well had a quick scan and it does make quite disturbing reading. He is the only chap who posts in a form of 'strobe'-it makes your eyes see stars. Virtually all were opinions, which he is entitled to. He also gave a scattergun of FACTS, which were unanswerable as they are FACTS!!! there was also a fair bit of insulting going on, 'fools', 'muppets', 'deluded'. It was quite religious which I step aside from, 'Messiah', 'GOD', also much of this 'post talk', smshh, lollipops, swalk, ILY2. So all in all a diatribe as I originally said, and pointless to engage in an argument.

  117. WENGER MUST GO. I HAVE CHANGED MY SLOGAN NOW. (MARCUS)

    Aug 25, 2014, 18:55 #55905

    Again all the factual questions I asked have been dodged. That is how you know you have won a argument easily. smh. Also westlover nice try yes school starts for you next week I think primary school starts that week yes westlower. WE WONT WIN THE PL THIS SEASON AND THE NEXT TWO. I have no doubt about that especially with a tactically weak manager at the helm. Who actually believes hes delusions of grandeur

  118. maguiresbridge gooner

    Aug 25, 2014, 18:53 #55904

    GBP, maybe it should be classed as a complement that the sanctimonious brigade that are chewing the same old crud on here are having their feathers ruffled also, more power to those that are doing it I say (and long may it last), it sure beats being sanctimonious just for the sake of it.

  119. Man United Killer

    Aug 25, 2014, 18:44 #55903

    BADARSE,I fully understand your point.I don't believe in resorting to name-calling and insulting each other because in the long run , I think we all want the club to do very well.I however think Marcus has asked some very good questions.If you are willing to take a shot at them, I will be more than happy to listen to your views on them.

  120. BADARSE

    Aug 25, 2014, 18:27 #55902

    Arsene didn't invent the original wheel maguiresbridge. I was there, and it was another bloke. People were saying, 'Ah Wheeliam, next you'll be saying you can roll around the world with it,and not fall off the edge!' (he didn't, and didn't).But I do know that after 20 minutes of the Cup Final he did begin singing, 'One wheel on my wagon...'

  121. dartford gooner

    Aug 25, 2014, 18:09 #55901

    How childish is this getting, we all have an opinion and all have a right to voice it. , While slagging off players helps no one and will not make them play better, but acting like Rambo, that is you Jamie will not help things between pro and anti Wenger fans. Arsene looks to be staying for another 3 years so people like me and many thousands like me have to lump it get behind the team and hope Wenger proves us all wrong

  122. maguiresbridge gooner

    Aug 25, 2014, 17:45 #55900

    Where's Wally, trying to re-invent the wheel, that's as good a description of him that I've heard for a long time. And no doubt some would tell you, and believe, he's responsible for inventing the original.

  123. John Gage

    Aug 25, 2014, 17:33 #55899

    @Westlower: You have a deep knowledge of the betting world and an insight into how bookies calculate the odds. I am very curious to know, why have the bookies given shorter odds to Man U winning the Premiership over Liverpool? Is it because Liverpool is involved in the Champions League? I saw the Man Utd-Swansea/Sunderland games and I saw a team which is still in transition and low in confidence, of course I expect this to change under Van Gaal's coaching but I am still surprised they are tipped to finish above Liverpool

  124. BADARSE

    Aug 25, 2014, 17:14 #55898

    Evening Bard, just in late from my milk round. Horse ran out of hay, had too many 'red' tops and not enough 'gold'. The crew at number 27 were in but hiding again. Dropped the eggs for number 49-and they were the last dozen I had on the cart. Number 73 changed their minds and wanted a Medium loaf, not Thin cut. I tell you buddy, I am up to here with this job, but only up to my nose, I wouldn't say 'Pasteurise'. 'Milko!'

  125. Bard

    Aug 25, 2014, 17:02 #55897

    Jamie; love the passion mate but a trifle thin on the reasoning. Your thesis seems to be that the fans make or break players. I only wish we had that much power. My understanding of the RVP situation is that he wanted to move to win things which he duly did+ a shedload of wedge. Great player but injured too much of the time and Wenger did well to sell him when he did. What he didn't do is replace him which why there is this void where there should be a class striker. You cannot win a proper trophy unless you have a world class striker. Or if you look at it the other way round a world class striker can compensate for other deficiencies. As we don't have one I think you can safely say we won't win anything this season. I can't really see what difference 'getting behind Wenger ' will make to that position. As Hiccup says give us a list of those we've driven out and I'll give my position a rethink. Baddie, what are you on mate?

  126. BADARSE

    Aug 25, 2014, 16:57 #55896

    Man United Killer, was there a question lurking in there? It seemed just like the usual diatribe to me. I am sure most that hold opposing views to MARCUS do not read these over long pieces of criticism, I only ever scan read them as they are largely speaking a much of a muchness. These players are useless, AW can't cut it, we have to buy all these players, everyone with a different view is a fool, especially BADARSE, then there IS lots of Upper Case screaming and shouting, with many LOLLOLLOLLOLLIPOPS. Been there, done that!

  127. magiresbridge gooner

    Aug 25, 2014, 16:57 #55895

    Hiccup, excellent post, yes the super fan they have other names as well, they're a sure cure for the hiccups once you stop laughing.

  128. Man United Killer

    Aug 25, 2014, 16:48 #55894

    Jamie, are you going to answer Marcus' questions? Post 59121. Thanks

  129. Hiccup

    Aug 25, 2014, 16:46 #55893

    Jamie, you were the one that said some very good players have been driven out of the club by fans. Just interested to know which players these were? Then you answered with van Persie? If you want to start blaming fans for an exodus of players, I'm all ears as to as to who we've driven out.

  130. JAMIE

    Aug 25, 2014, 16:30 #55892

    I didn't say he was driven out,I said certain Arsenal fans made it easy for him to leave by backing his decision or were all those voices I heard saying 'I don't blame him if he leaves'by light weight Arsenal fans made up too.You thought if Van Persie left it would make Wengers job untenable but it didn't work and Arsenal were no worse off without the over inflated ego anyway.

  131. BADARSE

    Aug 25, 2014, 16:27 #55891

    GBP, you talk to us about Josey Wales, and that gunfight? Why, westlower and I were there. He wanted to draw his gun but I said, 'Put your pencil away Butch, it's blunt anyway.' Seems he does draw a good line, but never knows when to draw it. We are still on nodding terms with Josey though, 'Ain't that right Butch?'-'Darn tootin' it is Kid. Might even say familiar.' 'OK, "Familiar!", is that alright?' Anywise, we calls him, Ol' Jo Jo from the Valleys. 'Aw, shucks Butch, you've missed the spittoon agin!'

  132. Hiccup

    Aug 25, 2014, 15:53 #55890

    Jamie, you're making it up as you go along. Van Persie wasn't driven out? Driven out is a term used when it becomes intolerable for a player to stay at a club for whatever reason. I don't recall van Persie being booed or receiving death threats while he was at arsenal. But hey, if telling yourself his departure was down to the fans to make yourself feel better about wenger, then that's your prerogative. Put the shovel away mate. Don't dig any further. Even your pals and Clint Eastwood are steering clear of this nonsense you're spouting.

  133. JAMIE

    Aug 25, 2014, 15:18 #55889

    The Anti Arsenal Arsenal gave Van Persie the excuse to leave by constantly telling him they wouldn't blame him if he left, just so when he did leave they could then pile the pressure on Wenger.Anyway Wenger new he only had at the most one good season left in him which is turning out to be pretty accurate,Fabregas was the only quality player we lost the rest were easily replaced.

  134. Edmund

    Aug 25, 2014, 15:03 #55888

    Players driven out by fans: Gervinho, Arshavin & to a certain extent Adebayor, although the latter was mostly to blame for his own departure. Cesc & RVP left due to the club's lack of ambition. If we were still a trophy winning club, they might have stayed.

  135. Hiccup

    Aug 25, 2014, 14:20 #55887

    Oh Jamie, please do enlighten us as to which players have been driven out by the fans? Would that be the sylvestre? What about chamack? Or was it bendtner whose contract was allowed to run down after ten years? Denilson? Please do elaborate. Or did we drive van Persie out to help utd win the league? Did we drive cesc to barca? As I see it, players that have wanted out have left due to their own accord. On the other hand, players that took wenger 5 years to realise were hopeless left due to wenger not renewing their contracts. I look forward to hearing which players the fans drove out. Maybe your chums including josey wales can help out here too?

  136. Westlower

    Aug 25, 2014, 14:16 #55886

    @Marcus, I bet you win all the arguments in the school playground? Cheer up, school resumes next week & you can bully your arguments into the off spring of the deluded foolish middle class white folk! Your age betrays your experience of AFC & I would venture who've never seen a mediocre Arsenal team, you just think you have!

  137. JAMIE

    Aug 25, 2014, 14:15 #55885

    Yes we can MARCUS,having watched all the other sides including Chelsea who you speak so well of,I see no reason why we can't.Also if Chelsea supporters are so working class and would never put up with inflated ticket prices,why do so many resemble John Major or David Mellor and why is their cheapest ticket £47 and our's a poultry £26.

  138. SteveArsenal

    Aug 25, 2014, 14:07 #55884

    I would have thought your Twitter account is worth following. Everything you write here is intelligent, measured, courteous and generally spot-on. Thank you

  139. WENGER MUST GO. I HAVE CHANGED MY SLOGAN NOW. (MARCUS)

    Aug 25, 2014, 14:01 #55883

    Again Jamie with have a class squad in your deluded mind. So do you think we will win the pl?? Simple question. Ramsey has been dreadful the last 3 matches but because he has score two tap ins anyone could score he does get away with it. Again do you think we can win the pl or champions league as your saying we have a "great quality" squad so im asking you can we win the pl or champions league?? I wont post on here again if we win either in the next 3 years?? We wont win neither until wenger realizes he has to buy a world class cf and good dm. Not going to happen, but I would want to hear your view.

  140. JAMIE

    Aug 25, 2014, 13:52 #55882

    You have to remember GPB and BADARSE that if you're happy for Wenger to stay you're an AKB and not worth listening to according to the WOB's.Why can't you just be called Arsenal supporters who are happy with the manager and don't want any change.As for Martinez I think he's a bit of a waffler and never answers a straight question,like Rodgers he just drones on burbling about how his team overachieves,Everton were knackered for the last half hour and another 5 minutes we would have won the game.As for Finsbury Joe's tiny totts, they're always at an advantage as even the little clubs fancy beating them so they never face packed defences as we do, one of the spuds goals yesterday saw them pass over 30 times in their own half with no closing down,Harry doing them a few favours,they'll soon fall down to their usual level.One thing I would point out is the fact that the new superstar arrivals seem about on par with what we already have which shows the excellent squad Wenger has already accumulated which he's not given praise for and confirms what he's be saying for years that our squad is top quality already.Don't expect the AAA traitors and other team trolls to give him any credit for that though,just the usual digging out of players they deem not good enough.These clowns have driven out some very good players over the years fortunately they didn't get rid of Ramsey which looked on the cards a while back.Rosicy's another class player I'm glad is still at the club and I hope Wilshere isn't driven out by them to.I can see a great season ahead if we can keep the team focused on football and not what so called Arsenal fans and outsiders keep saying to unsettle us.

  141. WENGER MUST GO. I HAVE CHANGED MY SLOGAN NOW. (MARCUS)

    Aug 25, 2014, 13:42 #55881

    Again GBP and Bardarse our trying to argue by saying their "OPINIONS" are the right ones. Oh dear, dear. Look I always use FACTS to back up all my arguments made on here. Last time I checked we did lose 8-2, 6-3, 5-1 (when leading the pl table by 8 points from Liverpool mind you) and finally the humiliating 6-0 on the mans 1000th game lool. ALL FACTS. NOTHING MADE UP!!!. What you fools who back wenger seem to have forgotten is that he has not won the pl in 10 years and he wont be doing it anytime soon. I have no doubts about that. We will not win the pl again under wenger, as hes delusions of grandeur our to steep. He has basically come out and confirmed we wont be buying anther striker lool. Aagin as I said yesterday if we Giorud scores 25 goals in the Premier league. I will never post on here again. This is what the deluded fool said. So lets see if hes delusions become reality as 95% of them don't over the last 10 years. You cant make this stuff up smh. The big game is on Wednesday, boy if we lose that game and there is a possibility will the akbs still defend their great messiah?? As 4th place scrambling would have been for nothing. Also I will never rate giroud like that. As I know as a club we can do better. Also you fools who just get on my nerves now. Have never answered whether Giroud would start for City, chelski, manure and loserpool if everyone is fit?? Would he start?? Simple questions. Always avoid by the sheep of the great messiah. See again my arguments all based on facts not sentimental nonsense. This man will not be the manager of this great club forever and I'm a young man so hopefully not for the rest of my lifetime and thank GOD!!! Answer this do you think we can win the pl?? Also do you think we need a cb, a dm and a cf?? again simple question don't try spin the question and talk about utter nonsense. Why does the great messiah always go into seasons with weakness?? Also all this dark moonies is just nonsense. See you guys our so bias towards wenger its actually unhealthy. You never criticise the man smh its not healthy folks. We so called dark moonies see that is club is underachieving and want better you want the status quo. Again answer this question. Why has the man only been past the qfs of the champions league twice?? in over 18 years?? again you will probably dodge the question smh lol. I argue with facts. Name one statement I have just laid down that is false?? All facts. I can list arsenals record under wenger word for word. Wenger is a fraud, if you notice all hes 3 title winning teams had a mixture of the players he inherited. Hes last title in 2004 had parlour and keown still in hes ranks. Why cany tou guys admitted it that hes teams over the last 10 years have been completely different to the teams he had when we used to win the pl?? We never used to play this tippy tappy pass until you lose it on the edge of the opposition box and they hit you on the counter and score nonsense did we?? We used to play direct power football with pace. Just the way city play now and the german team. That is how we used to play. Now its that nonsense that will never ever work in the pl . Again if giroud scores 25 goals in the PREMIER LEAGUE I will never ever post in here again. Also if we win the pl in the next 3 years with wenger as manager I will never ever post on here again!!! 100% NEVER!!! I know none will happen so, Im pretty confident I will still be posting on here for the next 3 years. I hope the messiah proves me worng. Also if any akb fool was to ever tell me to be quiet when I go to the emirates when I say wenger has to go well I know they wont as most arsenal fans who go to the emirates our middle class white folks who wont say nothing. Look on the floor probably lol. Our fanbase is full of middle class or upper class muppets. We our not a working class team like the northern teams or even Chelsea even with all the money they have most don't live anywhere near Chelsea lol. All cockney working class folks. They show passion and don't tolerate the rip off prices we do at the emirates. The club for me is just being run poorly in my eyes by the wrong folk.

  142. Hiccup

    Aug 25, 2014, 13:28 #55880

    Once again GBP tarring everyone with the same brush. I said wenger got it right in the second half? Didn't put it down to luck? Let's just keep screwing up in the first half (like last season). We'll always turn it around against the Norwich's, but against the top teams you can carry on singing when those sixth goals keep going in.

  143. fozzy's mate

    Aug 25, 2014, 13:27 #55879

    GBP - why does everything have to be so polarised and indentifed as being pro or anti Wenger? I think he should have gone a few years ago and do not think we will win another league under his charge. That is an opionion but does not mean I am a rabid hater of the man. Like of all of us he makes mistakes and in any job a time passes when the equilibrium of experience, enthusiasm and genius is gone. But saying that as someone who spends a considerable amount of time and even more money supporting the team I would love to be wrong.

  144. BADARSE

    Aug 25, 2014, 13:07 #55878

    Hiccup did you know a number of mortals were hailed as the messiah more than 2000 years ago, and none of them were?

  145. GBP

    Aug 25, 2014, 13:06 #55877

    Hiccup and his ilk are the ones that come on here boring anybody that reads it, hailing Mourinho as a game changer and a tactician and a man whos brilliant at using his subs when it suits their feeble agenda. Arsene does it and he gets lucky and 'smells of roses'! The anti AWs are like punch drunk boxers. Theyve no ability to prevail, shouldn't be in the ring yet keep coming back for more and more punishment. A bit like that bounty hunter in 'the outlaw josey wales' Given a chance to walk away alive, he came back to the bar armed and said to Wales ' i had to come back'. Josey acknowledged it with a wistful ' i know' and effortlessly shot him on the spot.

  146. Hiccup

    Aug 25, 2014, 12:58 #55876

    Don't need to work anything out. I know why he's hailed as a messiah. We consistently finish above spurs and Everton. It really is an incredible record.

  147. BADARSE

    Aug 25, 2014, 12:44 #55875

    Hiccup, so Martinez got it right in the first half, but screwed up in the second? The man mooted to take over Arsene's mantel. A Dark Moony cloaking?

  148. GBP

    Aug 25, 2014, 12:44 #55874

    Hiccup - its strange how he keeps looking like a messiah isn't it(your word, not mine)? Ever given a seconds thought as to why it happens so often and over so many years? Keep tossing and turning at night until you work it out chap.

  149. Hiccup

    Aug 25, 2014, 12:33 #55873

    Yes Sam, I hope the oracle has enlightened you with his wisdom. You see, giroud needed a rest, so it makes perfect sense to play everyone out of position and leave all other strike options well away from the first team whilst he gets a breather. The fact that wenger got it totally wrong in the first half but corrected it in the second half leaves him as always, smelling of roses. Two points thrown away in my eyes, but wenger comes out if it as a messiah. I just wonder when scezney needs a rest who will replace him? Ramsey? Chambers?

  150. GBP

    Aug 25, 2014, 12:30 #55872

    there is no anti W conspiracy. a high proportion of the comments made on here are unconcealed and unequivocally '[anti AW'. One or two post as counterweights thankfully.There are one or two anti posters though who at least make a case admittedly. The majority are the sheep who like the idea of forcing him out but lack the ability to frame an argument to support it. Its not surprising though really in fairness to them as there isn't a case that anybody who cares or matters wants to giv 5 seconds contemplation to.

  151. BADARSE

    Aug 25, 2014, 12:24 #55871

    @fozzy's mate, because it is, didn't you realise that?

  152. fozzy's mate

    Aug 25, 2014, 12:11 #55870

    GBP - re your last post why does every comment about anything have to be characterised as being an anti Wenger conspiracy?

  153. GBP

    Aug 25, 2014, 11:54 #55869

    59108 i thought Sanchez looked like a player grafting hard and doing his best for the team notwithstanding he was playing in a position alien to him. I thought his body language displayed being pleased to be in the team and his worth ethic was immense. He ll be great once hes settled in his role that he was bought for. I also thought that having a go at playing a central striker from withdrawn position was brave of him but mainly part of the coach's way of resting OG and at the same time keeping it tightish and playing for a mid fielder to break through and nick one. We evaporated a bit at the back though sadly, but lets keep it on Sanchez shall we and accept that your words 'completely confused' sound much better when used in underpinning your anti AW agenda dont they? The guy certainly looks in tip top shape to me and hungry to do well but dont let that get in the way of your transparent objective will you.

  154. Sam

    Aug 25, 2014, 11:24 #55868

    @Marcus (Wenger has to go etc). OGL is Our Great Leader, as in North Korea. Not going to rant, now that autumn is here and that's depressing enough in August with 10 months of **** weather to go. Just - Wilshere isn't a no 10 despite his shirt. And Ozil only played on the left for Germany as Reus was injured. We all know the players we need, and we all know we won't get them. I feel sorry for Alexis, inasmuch as I can feel any pity for anyone on that kind of salary to play a game. He looks completely confused as to how he fits into Wenger's set up.

  155. Westlower

    Aug 25, 2014, 11:21 #55867

    @Finsbury Joe, I'm afraid the bookies don't match your enthusiasm in the Lilywhites remaining at the top for too long. Come the leaves falling from the trees & you'll be dropping back to your reserved 6th spot. Your manager remains at much shorter odds to lose his job than AW. Latest PL odds: CFC 11/10, Man C 5/2, AFC 7/1, Man U 12/1, Liverpool 14/1, Sours 40/1. Top 4: AFC 2/5 (71.5%), Sours 3/1 (25%) which roughly translated means it's unlikely you'll finish in the top 4, AGAIN!!

  156. Westlower

    Aug 25, 2014, 11:02 #55866

    @Bard, Talksports Adrian Durham will be proud of you for coming out with "if you pay the amount of money Arsenal charge you can abuse anyone you like." Really? Why would you pay good money just to abuse players in the team you supposedly support? I'm no angel but I certainly wouldn't abuse anyone wearing an Arsenal shirt. Going back a few years the last player I abused was Mark Hughes who knew how to put himself about. He was on a run of 10 consecutive yellow cards but the refs were too scared to issue him with a 2nd yellow because he enjoyed the security of wearing a Man U shirt. The Mancs were immune from normal punishment in the era of the Glaswegian thug. Now, I'm with you 100% on conspiracy theories!

  157. BADARSE

    Aug 25, 2014, 10:52 #55865

    A different strand, but perhaps one to help the dust settle a little, but I saw Everton travel down the road to play at 3pm Saturday, nothing in between until they entertained us on Saturday. We by contrast kicked off later that evening, negotiated a trip to Turkey, in a testing hostile environment, returned unbeaten, and travelled to the north to play against a buoyed side, remembering a comfortable previous victory over us, and possibly an embittered feeling for being edged out of a CL spot. To be two goals down at HT, with an offside goal or not, we did surprisingly well considering those circumstances, to draw level before the final whistle. Food for thought? If so, please make it vegetarian. Good old Arsenal.

  158. fozzy's mate

    Aug 25, 2014, 9:45 #55864

    Thanks all for the giggle reading the ever more vitriolic comments. We all know OGL too well to expect his penchant for collecting players of the same ilk and ignoring obvious wholes to change. Let's hope a victory v Besiktas will see further reinforcements. We need to go down the title straight this time if we will ever have a chance of winning it again, which I don't personally think we will under Wenger. But the emotion demonstrated below shows who much we all care. An opinion is just that so keep them and the giggles coming.

  159. Ozzie

    Aug 25, 2014, 8:55 #55863

    If we take into consideration that a World Cup has just finished with all the resultant obligations coupled with the fact a trade period is going on with it's endless hooha with players not knowing who is going where coupled to the possible friction between egos re spots in the side and who is paid what and should be paid more, along with different nationalities/cultures/personalities coming together with all the expectations on players to perform to a certain level, not to mention the burden of extra CL games and new players, it may not be too difficult to accept that players may be a tad tense which would account for a lack of early fluidity on the pitch. There are all manner of variables to consider, are there not? A win against the Turks and I'd say we are off to a reasonable start. A loss, then we have to concentrate all our energy on the BIG ONE - the PL:-)

  160. BADARSE

    Aug 25, 2014, 8:55 #55862

    Good morning Bard. Can I ask you what the cut-off point is when you decide it is or isn't OK to abuse?(59086). I would think if a person is abusive they are abusive. Money doesn't come into it, if it does it is skewed thinking, surely? Another point about conspiracies-they exist! Usually though the occurrences are given a broad descriptive term as in 'conspiracy', when in fact it often refers to an agenda, followed tacitly by a select group with vested, (weak or strong), interests. I believe our game has moved on to such a level of speed that it is difficult for officials to govern effectively in a number of instances. I think partisan lines in England perpetuate poor decisions on some occasions. Add to that the difficulty of ruling against a vocal home crowd, and a club who has offered a degree of hospitality as expected, and that the officials will have to return to this ground ad infinitum, and this will possibly influence one or all. If for any reason a country interprets the rules differently, as our officials do, (poorly in my opinion), it can become farcical at times, albeit a dangerous farce. In this particular instance REFfered to, a lino was in line, the player was offside, the flag wasn't waved, a goal was given, an unfair advantage bestowed. Simple and succinct.

  161. GBP

    Aug 25, 2014, 8:51 #55861

    Morning Bard - You will only ever see opinion from me.Very true. Ive said oft enough i dont know enough about the game to hold out that my opinion goes beyond mere opinion.Its all opinions isnt it. There's a way of expressing them though. I dont agree much with what you say, but you express your views in a decent way and i respect them. My way might be sanctimonious to you but maybe thats your perception of what i say just because you fail to agree, plus that i dont sledge off players and the Coach just out of spite because they are are or arent the perfect individuals that i want them to be.? I dont know and if that's your view of me its fine all day long.Ive noticed that Badarse and a few others are tainted 'sanctimonious' as well and just for being different to the herd that grazes on here chewing the same old crud. Maybe we should class it as a compliment?If being that way ruffles a few feathers of the daily groaners, more power to the sanctimonious brigade i say.It sure beats being miserably destructive just for the sake of it.

  162. Bard

    Aug 25, 2014, 8:28 #55860

    GBP; I agree there are bile bloggers on here spouting rubbish for and against. Im fine with it every man to his own. What irks me is the sanctimonious twaddle from the like of you purporting to own the truth. All you own is an opinion. My view has always been that Giroud has a great work ethic but he's a level below top class. That was demonstrated last season when his scoring rate against the best was negligible. If that changes this year then I am happy to revise my view.

  163. GBP

    Aug 25, 2014, 8:01 #55859

    Ha. Badarse. Its just so annoying reading the same old characters sledging the same players daily isnt it. My Step Son did pretty well in the game and to see what he had to do and go through in reaching the level he did without ever really having any proximity (knee injury seen him off as it does to so many) to the top levels and then to read the dirge trotted out on here annoys me im afraid. My re naming yesterday of the doubting Thomas/Marcus axis must remain though - Valium and Aspirin! The dynamic duo are round in tandem already i note!!Seriously though,Id love to take them both to any reasonably top Clubs training facility on any midweek day. Im sure they might learn some thing of the game. Many Clubs will allow guest access if genuinely applied for. They might broaden their minds a little if they tried it.We live in hope Badarse. Have a good bank hol day chap. Do enjoy your posts by the way. A voice in the dark on here. Keep it up.

  164. BADARSE

    Aug 25, 2014, 7:45 #55858

    Good morning GBP, I like the renaissance of the original and clear-sighted you. Stay that way, you have much to add on this website. I genuinely am perplexed by the criticism Olivier gets. Pick any player, at any time and you can find faults. It is fair comment to observe and decide a player is a little slow, or has a poor record in finishing, loses his man at set-pieces, can't turn, only hits short passes, or sideways ones. All may be valid for different players. The key aspect in assessing is to look for the individual's strengths, and their contribution towards the unit, or team if you like. The bland assessment that, a player is a 'carthorse', is deeply insulting. The observations are generally limited, in that a broad comment about a player being unskilful just skims over the surface. I have seen some delightfully skilful touches from Giroud, and celebrate his successes with passion. Imagine if he was a son of some of these blinkered, rude, and offensive individuals, would they fire broadsides quite so casually and often-or at all?

  165. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Aug 25, 2014, 7:41 #55857

    aaah, that good old Talks***e standby "the balance of power is shifting in North London". Rinse and repeat every season until November, after which it's quietly put out to grass and exchanged for "who's better, Lampard or Gerrard?" Ah hold on, gonna have to change that last question now.

  166. GBP

    Aug 25, 2014, 7:35 #55856

    Westlower - our game against Besiktas had a lot to do with our thinking pre game versus Everton i think and as is usual with CL football, its demands do have an effect upon domestic matches . As long as we progress via the game is all that matters isnt it chap. Oli G to nod us an early goal and we ll be settled then hopefully.Result that counts, nothing else now i reckon. No matter how we get it. COYG

  167. GBP

    Aug 25, 2014, 7:15 #55854

    Fantastic feeling today. 2 days off work. Whats better than that! Good to see Arsene backing Oli Giroud. Indeed the lad is better than any of the rubbish that been on sale this year and he does have a chance of getting close to 25 goals. Excellent player with an excellent ethic. Ramsey too has acknowledged how the team rate him and how our real fans do too. Read it in the Mirror. You chaps might (no breath holding though!) get it eventually that the bile bloggers on here who choose to just condemn our players on a daily basis are just a tiny minority with no useful voice. Great to know Arsene sees through you all as well, thats why hes the top Coach that he is. Still on a high after the fightback versus Everton. COYG

  168. WENGER HAS TO GO. CHANGED MY SLOGAN NOW (MARCUS)

    Aug 25, 2014, 2:32 #55852

    What does OGL mean?? I know its wenger but what does it mean in full thanks.

  169. DW Thomas

    Aug 25, 2014, 0:36 #55851

    Totally agree Wally. His ego prevents outside the box thinking when it comes to tactics. This team can be so much more without him at the helm. But it can't be anyone to replace him. We need a proven pedigree. We probably will have to wait 3 years to replace him though. How sad that day will be for his lackeys. Then they'll be the ones moaning about the good old Wenger days. Then again were all just notorious dimwit trolls, not true fans, if we question or criticize him. I follow AFC, that's Arsenal Football Club.

  170. Finsbury Joe

    Aug 25, 2014, 0:25 #55850

    Well well.....anyone seen the league table? Modern day Gooners shun parochial tribalism, and this modern day Gooner salutes the neighbours for leading the way. Arsenal fans have become arrogant, without good reason, despised by many. Neutrals were queuing up on radio phone ins today wondering if there is a shift in the balance of power taking place in North London. Perhaps a little early, but the noisy neighbours clearly have a smart , modern, tactical manager.......arsenal have a senile old goat called wenger, cannot really say much more than that. AKBs have the cigars and champagne out ....four points from Everton and palace, despite three pathetic performances on the bounce......have a hunch the neighbours now have far greater ambitions than that. What price the neighbours knocking Arsenal out of Europe....this season, and the following?

  171. MARCUS HAS TO GO HE IS DOING MY HEAD IN NOW

    Aug 24, 2014, 23:52 #55849

    Please Please Giroud bang in 25 goals this season.What paper have you been reading MARCUS and have you been listening to talk sport again? Oh and please can you change something from your last rant?-The words.

  172. WENGER HAS TO GO. I HAVE CHANGED MY SLOGAN NOW(MARCUS)

    Aug 24, 2014, 23:41 #55848

    This man is just plain delusional and that man is wenger. He is now saying that giroud could score 25 goals this season looool. What the hell is this man smoking or drinking?? What has he seen in giroud to think hecan score 25 goals in the prem?? If giroud scores 25 goals I will never post on here ever again and I mean 25 goals in the premier league. I'm so confident he won't as I know he is no where near that level. Wenger again wants to prove folks wrong. Why is this fool so stubborn. YOU CANT AND NEVER WILL WIN THE PL WITH GIROUD AS THE MAIN STRIKER!! We have no cb cover as chambers again showed he's as naïve as a 19 year old ohh he is 19 lol. He made a awful mistake against Besiktas and got away with it and made the same mistake against everton and this time got punished so he's not the finished article and can't be relied on like that. So its a position we have to bring in another cb asap. We also need a dm and a another striker, but knowing wenger well hs transfer behaviour over the last 10 years he probably won't buy neither. The man is a laughing stock and all our rivals want him to remain as our manager. WE WILL NEVER WIN THE PL WITH WENGER AS THE MANAGER AGAIN!! The man is a tactical joke and has never been anything special when it comes to tactics. Why have we only been past the qfs of the champions league twice ?? With all those great players he had he's record in europe is absolutely dreadful. He inherited a great core team and then bought somw great players untill 2005. He's tactically naïve and has been found out a many time in that department by many managers. Martinez was another one who has figured him out very, very well like many other have. He got away with it when he had great leaders and great players like vieria, adams, henry, campbell etc. Any manager would have won with those guys. Why does he not learn from that?? Again I'm goning to name our 3 center midfield winning teams under wenger 1997/1998= vieria and petit, 2001/2002= vieria, parlour and edu and 2003/2004= vieria and gilberto silva. All those mentioned players had power, athleticism and guile. Arteta and flamani and wilshere our a joke compared to those mentioned above. None of those 3 guys would start if the above mentioned players were in their primes. Wengers knows how to win the league as he did it 3 times but to me he's stubborness to prove folks wrongs is going to destroy this club on the pitch. We have the lightest and smallest team in the league in terms of height!!! What a joke. Has wenger forgoten the 3 pl winning teams he had?? The man is just a washed up old fool now. He's leagcy has been tarnished very,very badly. I just hope this is he's last contract

  173. JAMIE

    Aug 24, 2014, 23:06 #55847

    What I find funny is how the AMG's are such sensitive souls when it comes to calling them names.Yet these same people are happy to give dogs abuse to certain players every week.One fat wob at the Palace game near me abused eight different players during the game constantly without ceasing ,when I told him to 'pipe down porky' he got all offended so we heckled him until eventually he buggered off.If you can't take it don't dish it out and not all so called AKB's are prepared to take any s-h-i-t from these boneheads.

  174. Bard

    Aug 24, 2014, 22:12 #55846

    Jamie; there is no group of anti Wengerites, just fans who have different views. Some for some against. You're right the player abuse does move from one to another and is largely rubbish but if you pay the amount of money Arsenal charge you can abuse whoever you like. But here's a fact its not the fans who have stopped Arsenal from winning anything really significant for 10 years thats down to Wenger and the board. Despite your enthusiastic support and frustrations with the naysayers it doesn't look like thats going to change any time soon certainly not this season.

  175. Where's Wally is a Gooner

    Aug 24, 2014, 21:43 #55844

    @Maguiresbridge I've thought for a the last few years that anything the team have achieved is in spite of Wenger. What on earth goes on at Colney regarding tactics and defending is a mystery. The latest comedy sketch seems to be not putting anyone on the posts at corners. That's clearly going to go well. Wenger continually makes a simple game complicated. He keeps trying to re-invent the wheel. Does his ego hold no bounds?

  176. GoonerRon

    Aug 24, 2014, 21:42 #55843

    They had the best of the first half and we had the best of the second. People saying Everton gifted us two goals forget the match is 90 minutes plus stoppage time - if they run themselves into the ground and can't keep it going them that is a failure of their game management. Of the 4 games so far I'd have taken 2 wins and 2 draws so to do that without being anywhere our best in encouraging.

  177. munchbaghat

    Aug 24, 2014, 21:25 #55842

    Ramsey is no saviour, don't believe the hype. Wilshere makes him look good cos he's so poor and has no idea of his limitations.Diminutive players really need trick,big engine or pace PLUS brains. Wilshere has none of these. Can't even pass properly. Really good passers make the pass easy for the recipient whereas players like Wilshere just pass as if posing for Shoot magazine, total disregard for the future of the play beyond 1 move. Unless Sanchez,Ozil and Walnut gel miraculously we will be soundly stuffed by Chelski and Mansh**ty. Just my opinion. COYG!!!

  178. JAMIE

    Aug 24, 2014, 21:13 #55841

    Maguirebridge,The team would be worse without Wenger yet they would probably perform ten times better without all the moaning jealous AAA/WOB/ and the spud/manc/chav trolls we got on here.

  179. Westlower

    Aug 24, 2014, 21:09 #55840

    @John Cage, PL clubs must submit their 25 man-list to the PL on September 1st. 8 of which must be home bred & no more than 17 foreign players. Definition of home bred being a player regardless of birthplace must have been registered with a club affiliated to the FA or Welsh FA for a minimum of 36 months prior to their 21st birthday. There is no limit on additional players under 21 years old. Currently AFC have the maximum 17 foreign players + 8 home bred's. Before a new signing can be brought in someone has to depart. To that end it looks as though Podolski will be leaving to allow a new foreign signing to join us. Should we wish to make more signings, obviously more players will be leaving to sustain the 25 man squad. Talk of other clubs having a bigger squad than AFC is incorrect, assuming we submit a 25 man list. They may well have better squads but numerically they are the same as AFC. Doubtless there will be much transfer speculation in the coming week, the latest being CB's Toby Alderweireld (A Madrid)& Kostas Manolas (Olympiacos). Don't expect any signings until our fate is known after Wednesday re CL qualification. In many ways it's the biggest game of the season for AFC!

  180. maguiresbridge gooner

    Aug 24, 2014, 20:34 #55839

    Where's Wally, With OGL it's a case of trying to be like the Harlem Globetrotters, you know every body capable of filling in anywhere and everywhere unfortunately what the old fraud doesn't realise is they're Jack of all trades and masters of none.

  181. maguiresbridge gooner

    Aug 24, 2014, 20:12 #55838

    Kev, I wonder how better the whole team would play if OGL wasn't around at all.

  182. Martyn

    Aug 24, 2014, 19:56 #55837

    Lets face it, the lineup before the match suggested a quick, mobile approach designed to expose a potentially static Everton defence. In reality, a team was put out who seemed at odds with each other with no central striker and a glut of midfielders tripping over each other. Alexis could not even get into the penalty area. Giroud should have started and this was evident in the second half. I would like Wenger to explain his team selection because for most of the game Everton cruised this match and should have won but for Giroud. The only comfort is that we played so poorly but still got something. Early days indeed but plenty for us faithful to be reflecting on.

  183. JAMIE

    Aug 24, 2014, 19:28 #55835

    Bard.The disgruntles are notorious dimwits always looking on the dark side of everything and constantly making false calls that never materialise.If it was down to them our best player Ramsey would have been kicked out a couple of seasons ago.MARCUS is a classic example a couple of days ago he was slagging Giroud off and he turned out to be one of our best players v Everton,everytime he opens his mouth a cacophony of verbal diarrhea gushes out yet these folk continue with their ridiculous diatribe.They go from one player to the next building them up and then slagging them off, Sanchez will be next.There is no such thing as a perfect player if Messi or Ronaldo played for Arsenal they would be on their backs instantly or blaming Wenger for ruining them if they didn't perform to their unreachable expectations.

  184. DJ

    Aug 24, 2014, 19:28 #55834

    Giroud is a brilliant back up striker who nearly always makes a positive contribution coming off the bench. Now if we only had a world class first choice?

  185. Website Admin

    Aug 24, 2014, 19:14 #55833

    Please note that people using multiple names on their posts will be assumed to be trolling which is likely to result in their posts being deleted and them being banned. It seems to be a growing problem on the site.

  186. ALAN WHIFFIN

    Aug 24, 2014, 18:38 #55832

    Why anybody thinks Wenger is going to get it right this season is beyond me.How many years have we needed a big strong defensive midfielder? Sanogo in the squad say's it all. Mourinho ,not my favourite1,is however totally right about Wenger.

  187. Bard

    Aug 24, 2014, 18:15 #55830

    Jamie; I enjoy your boundless enthusiasm for Wenger but your psychological knowledge of those with alternative views interests me, you're almost supernatural in the depth of your understanding. Apparently none of us know anything about tactics and are going to look stupid as the season unfolds. I have always been slightly ambivalent about predicting the future. I know its a football site but any chance you can give me a heads up on my lottery tickets for next week. I do agree with you we wos robbed by the referee. In my book we always are when we lose. My view is that its a conspiracy.

  188. Jude Jolicoeur

    Aug 24, 2014, 18:10 #55829

    I understand Ramsey’s become a vital part of the team, but now it’s Jack’s fault that he’s getting caught in possession (picking up cards in frustration), not making the simple pass and spraying shots into row zed? That’s two poor league games and a poor Champions League game on the trot; however, two (tap-in) goals immunizes him from criticism? He’s fully rested this summer, yet he’s off to a poor start. Why is his poor form always someone else’s fault? I'm not buying what Mr. Azulay and the Ramsey apologists are selling, sir.

  189. DW Thomas

    Aug 24, 2014, 17:50 #55828

    Our injury record requires we have solid backups in each position. And to compete on all fronts if we are to have any chance. An example is Rosicky not being used. I don't get it. He is class, didn't play inthe WC, works his socks off, yet can't get a sniff till someone is injured or the games start to pile up. Is it so he won't get in the way of younger players development? Then there's Diaby. Where has he been? Arteta is injured and we passed on Cesc. A bigger question for me is why haven't we won a single title in going on 11 years with our resources and stature? One big reason has been squad depth. Sagna, arguably our best defender in his tenure here, surely our most consistent, is now a backup at City. If we are so big on youth, where are they? We have been short on good backups for years. Denilson, Djourou, Squillaci, Silvestre, Park. It's no mystery when Wenger's favorites are overplayed to injury that we dip in the league. Other teams compensate better. And it's not just throwing money at the problem. Better defensive coaching can often help. Wenger came into a club that was already good. He took us to the next level, I give him that. But, he has stayed there or regressed even. He has become a man trying the same old ways that don't work anymore. With hi thevclub is always in a rebuilding phase. Don't we have to finish eventually?

  190. WENGER MUST GO. I HAVE CHANGED MY SLOGAN NOW (MARCUS)

    Aug 24, 2014, 17:41 #55826

    Again great points made. Agree with the fact that Ramsey looks and plays better when Wilshere is no where on the pitch. Its the balance and the tactically inept wenger AGAIN got it wrong in the first half. How can you play ozil, wilshere and ramsey in the side?? Wilshere thinks he's a attcaking mid number 10. Even when you tell him to sit deep he takes on too many people and loses the ball. He needs to be told you are not a number 10 jheez. Also ramsey is a box to box midfielder. He reminds me of fabrefas even though he's no where near fabs passing range yet. He looks better when Wilshere the loud mouth is off the field. Wilshere is trying to hard to impress so he's making way to many mistakes as he can't believe ramsey has passed him. Also ozil is thr complete opposite to wilshere he's more of a quiet man, if only ozil had wilsheres personality he would be more lively. He has to show why he came to arsenal. Wilshere wishes he had ozil ability whilst ozil probaly wishes he had wilsheres loud arrogant style of demanding the ball and being loud. Anyway great point. I hope we get a cb, a dm and a cf. We have to get those players to compete for the pl for me. Why did we not get mandzukic?? He's a deadly,deadly finisher and all around team player. He's way better than giroud

  191. BADARSE

    Aug 24, 2014, 17:31 #55825

    And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make. Now take stock people, please. GBP and DWT, initially, (see what I did there?), the posts were fine but began to stray a little. Not sure how I got a blast DWT-but I probably deserved it- still you are both better than the barbs suggest. Now I've got a big bag of jellybeans, some sherbet flying saucers, and three enormous gobstoppers with our names on. What say you both shin over the fence and join me? Today at my grandson's friendly match for his new club a MU fan, (connected to the club), came and spoke to the coach, an Everton lad, and opened with, 'You'd done them, (he repeated it three times), then went on to say, 'He can only play one way-can't defend. Martinez doesn't do defence, mind the second goal was a beauty!' I thought he was a Dark Mooney at first talking about Arsene! Oh yes, my grandson was MotM.

  192. John Gage

    Aug 24, 2014, 16:54 #55824

    I have a question for the Arsenal fans who have supported the club for a very long time. I have noticed that Arsene Wenger is sometimes reluctant to buy new players for fear that they might damage the development of young players in his squad. But do you think that the reality is that Arsenal need the MAXIMUM number of players (budget permitting) simply because they have a terrible injury record? In my opinion there should be very little fear of players just sitting on a bench as injuries to Arsenal seem to accumulate very quickly throughout the season leaving them very short.

  193. JAMIE

    Aug 24, 2014, 16:19 #55822

    You may think your some sort of 'super fan' Gooner89 who probably goes around telling everybody how you've been a season ticket holder since the days of Alex James, yet to many of us you're just a self righteous old whinge bucket.

  194. KC

    Aug 24, 2014, 16:17 #55821

    I am dead against Ozil playing wide we really need him just behind the striker with no defensive duties as he is not good at it hence a weakness his strength is his vision and he should be linking with the striker and releasing the wide players. Right now it's hard to agree with Jack having a starting position but that does not mean he is finished he is a talent that requires patience as Ramsey did. What would be great would be a top drawer midfield holder to allow our offensive players to express themselves. In saying all this the team in general is not playing well the general movement of the ball looks rusty so I do think we have to wait. Still think a top class striker is required by any title winning team so probably top three is best outcome, very frustrating as so close but we've said that many many times.

  195. DW Thomas

    Aug 24, 2014, 15:52 #55820

    GBP. Life on this site was joyful before you climbed down from your throne to bestow on us your all knowing observations. When you and Baddie criticize not only my pscychological make up but my genes as well, I deem that below the belt and respond accordingly. I find much happiness in my life through many pursuits, especially with my sons. So your Valium moniker really misses the mark as I don't even take anynmedicine for anything except for occcasional headaches or muscle aches. As for your scathing retort in my comments concerning Giroud's goal, even Lee Dixon stated it was a great chance and he should have at least put it on goal. To analyze, Ox crossed it from just outside the box, not a far distance, and Giroud was right in front of goal! I've finished tougher chances than that! Doesn't take a genius to see that one, but then we mere serfs can't compare to your and Badarse's undeniable galactic knowledge of all things. I hold no ill feelings toward you chappie, but when even the Web Editor comes on here asking for respectful interaction I'd say that's your clue!

  196. GBP

    Aug 24, 2014, 15:31 #55819

    59052 Valium lad. Ive seen your posts often. You don't just criticise you mainly just blather and throw barbs at people who've served the Club well in between bleating like a big baby about you 'care about the Club' so much more than everybody else plus espousing your expectations and desires every time.Its vomit inducing at times and you dont like being pulled up about it same as your cohorts on here,just like the baby you act and speak like. You're not near a fountain of educational learning either.Grow up and if you cant say anything positive or criticise in a constructive and fair manner keep stum and do everybody a favour.

  197. Gooner89

    Aug 24, 2014, 14:51 #55818

    Great comment Cyril re all of us being entitled to our opinions without insulting each other. Jamie such sanctimonious BS. Yesterday I was in a pub full of Evertonians and went absolutely nuts when we equalised. I've been to 1500 plus games, spent thousands and eat, sleep and drink Arsenal. I also happen to be a fully paid up AMG so in your book just a follower. Just cause I and many others happen to want AW out does not mean we arent supporters.

  198. DW Thomas

    Aug 24, 2014, 14:39 #55817

    The Rainbow Peddlers are stocked up with excuses for losing two points. We played well? You're having a laugh. We barely came back when Everton fell asleep and gifted us 2 easy goals. I can tell I know enough about football to say that Cazorlas ball should never get through and Ramsey should never beat 2defenders in that tight space. All those AMGs slagging Jack off, taste your own medicine. People did the same with Ramsey! Jack played better I thought, but they both get in each others way! Jack always tries to drive the play forward, he's a risk taker! Our MF made Naismith look world class, and that's a good performance? We have a long way to go to be contenders or go deep on the CL. And remember folks, you can call a fellow poster a muppet or whatever else, but in most intelligent people's eyes, all that does is make you look irrational and intolerant! We all want the team to do well, have repeated it many times, so get it! We just see the requirements to win a title differently and criticism of the manager as necessary and helpful. This site has become more back and forth s..t slinging lately. Though entertaining, it's not very educational!

  199. Hiccup

    Aug 24, 2014, 14:28 #55816

    It gets better. The privatising free market Tory govt of the 80's is to blame for the state of the 'we want it now' arsenal fan. And now it's the attitude of these same fans that has caused the double dip recession? The fact that some fans can't afford a £1500 ticket to subsidise this profiteering industry that pays extortionate wages, and would rather make sure they can pay their spiralling gas bill and their landlord is probably what makes them armchair fans. But super fan's advice would be to go get yourself laden with debt ( that's if the banks will give it now ) and waste it on this bunch of overpaid millionaires, ensuring they get their £100k/week. For that, you then get the privilege of standing side by side with 'super fan' at the several 6 or 8 goal thrashings each season, having a whale of a time singing your support for wenger. And then you can brag at your mates with your ' I was there when utd put 8 past us' t-shirt. What a hero this guy is...

  200. Jason B

    Aug 24, 2014, 14:13 #55815

    1.Ozil is not a defensive midfielder, he is a creative midfielder.2,Chambers is 19 and at £16m,it's a hell of a lot of money to pay for someone of his age and experience. If he'd came through our ranks there wouldn't be half the pressure on him.3.Wiltshire (the last one to come through our ranks) ought to grow up and stop biting the hand that feeds him.If he keeps off the fags & booze and keeps himself fit, he'll be a great player. If not, he'll end up like Gazza.4,Speaking of our 'ranks'...where are these up and coming kids? If they are that good why are they not given their chance in the premier league? Or are they all like 'Our Jack'.

  201. Cyril

    Aug 24, 2014, 14:13 #55814

    Further on my point, I have serious splinters and I know that, but without diverse opinion, how can you effect change and improvement. If the world over just agreed and accepted status quo, where would the competition be. Opinions and actions are the heartbeat and flow that makes in this case a football league format so compelling. It is disingenuous to imply that arsenal fans who have some negative feelings are ignorant and are almost considered to be troglodytes because, the cool calm and collected are at peace with it all. Come on, give me a break, we are some of most patient fans in the world to have not (en masse) called for his head in the last nine years. I wish I could be the arsenal fan who takes the whole concept of footy and supporting as a positive in our lives regardless of the outcome. I think I need to start crashing ''hi hats and triangles together' along with knocking bells with some pipe music in the background. When we were 5 down at the bridge last year and we are thinking what the final score would be, the only thing knocking were the Crown Jewels. How i strive to be the perfect arsenal fan!

  202. maguiresbridge gooner

    Aug 24, 2014, 13:59 #55813

    Well we're no closer to finding out what goes on at London Colney unless it's running round the manicured pitches to keep fit because it's not the defence. Thank God for Ramsey we're bad enough when he's in the team but i don't know what we're going to do when the big guns make their move on him because he'll certainly not be replaced. He got the old past it outlaw out of jail yet again by riding to the rescue with the latest get out of jail card (how many is that now?) And even old trigger himself got himself free of the cart to come trotting to his rescue. Maybe a bit of complacency set into Everton near the end but well done the team to keep going and plugging away and it's paid off yet again and we've scrapped a point, but their going to have to do a lot more of that before the seasons end because this old man we have as a manager isn't going to be of much help to them.

  203. Emilio Zorlakki

    Aug 24, 2014, 13:26 #55812

    Spot on Kevin re the Chambers comments. There's been ridiculous hyperbole about him . Would prefer no comments about him and just leave him to progress hopefully. Currently, he reminds me of Senderos unfortunately.

  204. GBP

    Aug 24, 2014, 13:23 #55811

    Right there with you Bill. Seems AMG can sort it though.Him and his Realist Party.

  205. Cyril

    Aug 24, 2014, 13:15 #55810

    Credit where it is due. Great decision by Wenger to bring in giroud as Everton played so deep. Sanchez was on his own so much and isolated. We really do need a rock in the middle to bind it all together. By the way, the majority of posts I believe are constructive criticism. Having a pop at Wenger does not mean in most part that he must go and at the same time, praising him does not mean he is Peter Taylor. He was brilliant and I hope he can have a brilliant end with more trophies and go upstairs. All this - I told you so stuff is childish. We all love arsenal and we all have our own ways of getting our feelings across. One commenter on here stated that only 19% wanted Wenger out, but there must be a huge chunk of 'unsure' and then a similar % of wanting him to stay for ages. It reminds me of the school playground, when someone comes up, calls you a name and then runs away! We all have a right to an opinion and at the wrong moment we might say things we regret- but we all dearly love arsenal - so grow up some of you...

  206. JAMIE

    Aug 24, 2014, 13:14 #55809

    Great post GPB shame there's not more with your attitude.The trouble is the Wob,AAA disgruntles whatever you want to call them, are followers of Arsenal not supporters,and that's where the difference lays between them and genuine fans.They don't have any real affection for the club and only really follow the club from a distance and use it as something to vent out their frustrations on.When Arsenal win and are doing well you don't hear a peep out of them,yet when things aren't so well these people start looking for scapegoats and there's much cursing and foaming of the mouth and it's this time they start to really enjoy themselves.Most come from the baser part of society and are controlled by the 'Now' and whatever the latest craze or emotion is so you can't fully blame them. They are also spoon fed by the media and believe every word they tell them.The real challenge is just trying to get these half wits to see the fuller picture as they have been around for years and wont go away easily or hope they go off and support someone more successful.

  207. billdodgin

    Aug 24, 2014, 13:12 #55808

    Hey GBP. Nothing unwise in being gloomy about economic malaise and the "solutions"that are peddled to us by the political class on behalf of their paymasters and by a subjugated mainstream media. More of the system that shafted us in the first place. Like trying to avoid pregnancy in future by engaging in rampant unprotected heterosex. COYG.

  208. GBP

    Aug 24, 2014, 13:01 #55807

    59038 Hey, less of the old? poorly managed? its just your opinion chap and not a very well argued opinion and nor is it ever backed by any evidence judging by your posts to back up your windy bluster. Youre like many others and just love to be part of the herd or the rabble rousing fraternity. It must fill a void in your life or something. The need to seem virile and driven? Its quaint but using a big gob to impress is so old fashioned.

  209. Website Editor

    Aug 24, 2014, 12:55 #55806

    It would be nice to have a reasoned discussion of the issues raised by yesterday's game without mudslinging. It would also be nice if I won the lottery. One is more likely than the other...

  210. GBP

    Aug 24, 2014, 12:50 #55805

    Absolutely chap (59037) and you know what, its easily taken away from us in a moment so ill value it while i still can, thats if its ok by you of course misery guts?

  211. AMG

    Aug 24, 2014, 12:44 #55804

    Crikey, you really are a supercilious old windbag! Don't presume to know anything about our attitude to life from our attitude towards rank incompetence. It was incompetence and your head-buried-in-the-sand attitude that caused the financial crisis, it was the realists, those who sought to address issues and minimise risks who're sorting it. I love this club and hate to see it being so poorly managed and consistently embarrassed, I stand and speak when I see something is wrong, I suggest that you're the one I wouldn't want to be up against it with. Sorry for snapping at you, but read your last post back and understand why.

  212. GBP

    Aug 24, 2014, 12:33 #55803

    Why not show some tolerance and see how the team is in 2-3 weeks? Every pundit says players have a WC type of hangover and to be honest, it was known years ago pre wall to wall pundrity. Following the 62 WC Everton went and won their last title. After 1966 were very indifferent a times in the season after. After 1970 it was said at the time that we benefited from having little WC involvment to win our title. After 1974 Derby became a force again and so on. Its a footballing phenomena that proven and these chaps who know, whove played the game all say now that its happening again. Its sensible to respect such as Neville and Co and transfer that respect to our players and Coach, though i can see that many of you are beyond showing that respect and accepting that you actually know so very little to nothing about football. Despite this, it doesn't quell the gloom and doom mongering. Im glad i dont have to rely on many of you when things get tough in life, truly am. The sulking and gloom peddling on here abaout the team is a microcosm of sorts as to why the economy is taking so long to become buoyant again. Too many prefer to sulk,finger point and groan like drains rather than getting on with it and offering some thing positive. Not all by any means but many on here must just love dwelling in a dark stupor, bemoaning what lifes given you. We have a smashing Club to support who try and give you some thing to be proud of. Respect it or just let it go why don't you.

  213. peter wain

    Aug 24, 2014, 11:52 #55801

    given the appalling referee I thought that it was a well earned point. the second goal may or may not have been a foul but was offside and the official was perfectly positioned to see this. the lack of protection for Wiltshire was as usual ridiculous. quite why he is allowed to be hacked down with no cards is not acceptable. even so we are an extremely short side and when we play chelski and citee this will certainly count against us. yesterday the tempo in our game was lackin and the build up too slow and deliberate. we clearly need new players in defensive and midfield and if ozil continues to play like this a transfer is looming.

  214. TJ

    Aug 24, 2014, 11:41 #55800

    Just the starting line up weakened us before we started. Firstly, Wilshere is completely lacking in form, so it wasn't advisable to put him as the team's playmaker. Also, Ozil has no interest in defence- his responsibilities there for Germany are very limited. When he drifted to the centre he made some great through balls, so why not start the £42m signing in his proper position and put Ox and Sanchez on the wings to double mark, with Campbell (who looked good) through the centre? Sanchez is a natural winger and invaluablefor that reason (though I think it's harsh to judge his ability through the middle on one half playing striker), but Giroud is not a great striker by any means. About 70-80% of his goals are from crosses; he's far too one dimensional as a goalscorer, hence him missing those easier chances. Giroud didn't make an impact on his own, Everton just moved back more and more, and ultimately we came back, as Martinez said, because we beat them on fitness. I would honestly prefer we use Podolski or Walcott up front who are faster and far better finishers- it was also as much a lack of focal point in attacking midfield (Wilshere) for ball retention and 'presence' as striker- Ozil can at least hold the ball up well and gives more stability going forward.

  215. Beaugey

    Aug 24, 2014, 10:59 #55799

    I would have taken 4 points from these two fixtures ahead of time,given that neither Palace nor Everton are exactly shabby sides. As for the performances, it's only to be expected when we've got players working their way back to full fitness and new signings bedding in. The from will come, but right now it's about points on the board.

  216. AMG

    Aug 24, 2014, 10:50 #55798

    A pretty good report Kevin, fair as ever. I fear that the aimless triangle phenomenon is a result of players being played out of position, Ozil looks completely lost to me and completely lacking in drive. There are too many players of the same ilk in this side and we lack balance big time. If it were my decision, I would bring DB in as a coach and give Ozil (and a couple of the others) 1 to 1 sessions with him, the guy reminds me of a pusillanimous crab at times - Yet I know he has such ability, so it's sad to see. Perhaps playing him in an actual no.10 role behind a pacey striker would be a help. I think Alexis looked bright yesterday and overstayed his welcome in possession a lot less, his runs were excellent and opened up space for others to exploit, unfortunately, being the star man, he often pulled focus and the other runs were missed. I don't think he works as a lone striker, but I'd love to see him on one wing and the Ox on the other, the pace alone would terrify defences and with the high work rate of both, the full-back positions would get some much needed cover. Playing one or the other in wide positions allows defenders to double up and nullify the threat. Back to the game, the reason I feel that the goals were fortuitous was because the movement was non existant and if the respective quality of the assists had been of the same standard as the previous 82 mins of play, both would have been cut out easily. Watch Ramsey's goal again for example - he's the only one in the team moving and looking for the ball, this is a team that's 2-0 with 8 mins to go, Ramsey was the only one who looked interested in getting on the end of it, no one else looked remotely fussed. There's a poisonous influence in that dressing room, something is sucking the confidence and the imagination out of these players, any prizes for guessing who?

  217. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Aug 24, 2014, 10:47 #55797

    KC; we live about 10 mins walk from the Odeon and the idea was to go out for the 9pm showing but she wanted to do the 6.45 one - and my missus usually gets what she wants :-) Morgan Freeman was his usual class self too so she's happy, Giroud's happy, I'm happy and everyones a winner.

  218. Jason

    Aug 24, 2014, 10:44 #55796

    The lack of a DM and a top class striker was there for all to see again yesterday.Yes Giroud scored but missed 3 other resonable chances.Wilshere doesnt deserve a start.The big question is where to play Sanchez?

  219. billdodgin

    Aug 24, 2014, 10:37 #55795

    Decent summary, Kevin. Unbeaten after two EPL games but not clicking and late late rescues. Last season I recall some of us measuring progress by comparison of results against the same sides previous season. On that basis we are so far one point better off .Too early to extrapolate obviously. I am always concerned by optimism about notions of getting into our stride in due course as other sides do so as well. What we can say is that a lot of the euphoria and anticipation in wake of Alexis arriving has had a reality bump .How the AKB/AMG conflict re-emerges remains to be seen.For me those three spinal positions we all know about have to be reinforced in the transfer window with quality , if we are to aspire to anything worthwhile. And this year of course big teams may not have fallen by wayside by the late stages of the FA cup. I do feel we will be ok against Besiktas Wednesday.

  220. Where's Wally is a Gooner

    Aug 24, 2014, 10:29 #55794

    When will Wenger ever give his teams a chance by actually putting his players in their correct positions? It's literally like schoolboy management. The players are going into most games with one hand tied behind their backs. Is Wenger a double agent for the Chavs? Or is his next genius trick to play Ospina in central midfield? We'll done the team for showing the guts to take on a team 2-0 up and their own manager.

  221. KC

    Aug 24, 2014, 10:03 #55793

    @59016 - You go to the cinema when Arsenal are playing!!

  222. GBP

    Aug 24, 2014, 9:56 #55792

    The article is decent, save for the ludicrous reference to young Chambers 'traditional major error'. A couple of games and he makes 'traditional' errors? How ridiculous can one be?

  223. KC

    Aug 24, 2014, 9:39 #55791

    A good and honest post its refreshing to read report that sticks to the facts and is not either completely anti or ridiculously pro. Sadly for me the soft underbelly is still there and a lack of an athletic holding midfielder to protect against counter attacks is painfully obvious. Going forward we look short but I do believe Sanchez will get better as will Ozil add Walcots pace there is hope. We have not played well in the three games and that's frustrating but I do believe there is a world cup hangover that will slowly fade away. After Girouds clown performance in Turkey at least he was almost 100 per cent better sometimes these players need to be dropped to give them a message.

  224. GBP

    Aug 24, 2014, 9:38 #55790

    Well said Jamie. I dont really criticize the officials though to the same extent as that this time. The 'offside goal' was very very marginally offside wasnt it really. If you want to see some real outrageous AMG stuff, check out the posts on the Besiktas thread, but take your anti depressive tabs with you as you might well need to pop one or two cope with what you read.

  225. Bard

    Aug 24, 2014, 9:17 #55788

    Good post Kev. I think we will get better but am doubtful whether it will be enough to be contenders but then thats really not the goal is it? What yesterdays result might have done is galvanise Wenger into buying a couple of players. We are desperately short at the back and oh what buying a world class striker would do for the team, Cavanni? Again a lot will depend on whether the club secure the £25m on Wed night.

  226. JAMIE

    Aug 24, 2014, 9:13 #55787

    Not a bad result in the end, yet we should have taken all three points.The officials were trying their hardest to nobble us by allowing Everton another offside goal,that's three out of the last four they have scored against us were from offside positions and also not punishing their rotary fouling and diving tactics,yet turning blind eyes for blatant fouls on Arsenal players. Defence was good apart from the lapse for the first goal,going forward they looked great in possession yet Everton were playing so deep there was no room for Sanchez to run behind,so a masterstroke bringing Giroud on as we immediately looked dangerous and another pie in the face to the AMG muppets for yet another wrong call about tactics and players and who will be looking even more stupid as the season unfolds.

  227. Joe Fitzpatrick

    Aug 24, 2014, 9:12 #55786

    Wilshere may not be setting the world alight at the moment but we need to be patient with him and realise that he is a young guy who has struggled with injuries. He may not be on The same level as Ramsey yet but he has the potential to be equally as important to the future of our club, albeit in a slightly different way.

  228. wearebuildingateamtodominate

    Aug 24, 2014, 9:04 #55784

    Strange game. I didn't see second half as took Mrs to see that film Lucy - pretty good and Scarlett Johansseh looks incredible btw - but when we got back I wasn't surprised it was 2-2. Sanchez crap again

  229. au revoir wenger

    Aug 24, 2014, 9:02 #55783

    awful display,Alexis was constantly trying to get his team mates to press the ball and Ozil was having none of it,he wasnt going to break sweat for anyone.he has to be up there as being one of the worst players ever to play for Arsenal

  230. Fozzy's mate

    Aug 24, 2014, 8:57 #55782

    I agree that this was a smash and grab point. Until the 80th minute this was an awaful, listless and lethergic display lacking any instensity at all. We all no what Giroud is, an honest toiler, big lump target man. A decent grade B striker whose conversion rate yesterday was as ever poor. Flamini was poor and as ever was booked. If he has to play more than the odd game while Arteta is injured he will soon be suspended, he simply cannot play many games as he will be unavailable very quickly. Our tactics were very poor with sky pointing out our vulnerability down the left large pre-match. The need for another centre-half, solid defensive midfielder and A grade centre-forward is starker than ever. If these areas are not addressed we will yet again fight for the FPT rathen than going down the straight for the real prize. Re Wilshere his listless, lost performance personified the general malaise. 4 points but 2 poor and lacklustre performances.

  231. Two up front for every match, Wenger

    Aug 24, 2014, 8:48 #55780

    Great comeback. Wilshire needs dropping and great to see you on Twitter, Kev #justsaying :-D