Ozil is the problem

Time to drop the club’s record signing?



Ozil is the problem

Costing more than he is creating?


Having seen a shocking display against Leicester by most of the team, I wanted to highlight something I have been noticing for a while and see if my fellow Gooners agree or not.

I know once an opinion is stated on a forum like this, that when someone disagrees with you, you are opening yourself up to having your parenting questioned and worse, but if we can focus on the issue raised without getting personal it might help.

Ozil is a skilful player. And were he playing in the 2001/02 or 2003/04 title winning sides he would have been great. In fact he may have come in handy when Pires got injured. However in today's world, players playing on the wings have to track back and when one of them doesn't you are in big trouble.

Baines at the World Cup may have been a worse choice than Cole, but the fact is for Italy's winner the cross came from England's left because he was doubled up on due to Rooney not tracking back, thus exposing his full back. If you stop the cross you stop the goal - simple.

Whilst Ozil may be responsible for creating some goals we score, this doesn't come near the amount of goals he is responsible for us conceding since his arrival. Two examples from this season alone would be Everton's first goal which came from Arsenal's left side (where Ozil was playing and not tracking back - so the guy he was want meant to be marking was free to score). The other example being against Leicester where their goal came from Arsenal's right side - and guess which flank Ozil was on? The right, where they had an extra man to make the cross.

Since he responsible for more goals being conceded than he is creating, I actually think (whilst we have other areas of concern on top of this) he is costing us games. It's simple maths really - create one goal in nine PL games but be responsible for about 10 goals being conceded in your last nine PL games (I haven't checked the exact stats but I'm sure someone will) and you aren't worth your place in the team.

I would much rather see the Ox and Sanchez (who both track back fantastically) on the wings, and even Santi has woken up to this and is tracking back more, than see Ozil play for Arsenal for a long time. His cost to the team is not worth the benefit.

Whilst we need another DF, a DM and a STRIKER (Why we did not balloteli for 16 million is beyond me) (Ed’s note, piece submitted before the Welbeck signing) I do think that even without any more signings, we will automatically win more games and concede less goals if Ozil is dropped from the team asap. When you play the number 10 role in a hole then you have no defensive duties (some would argue you do but let's say for now you don't) then Ozil is great, but this season we have gone from 4-2-3-1 to a 4-1-4-1 and therefore there is no number 10 role in the hole, so Ozil doesn't fit the bill.

With this in mind, Alexis (even if bought as a striker) is an improvement on our wide areas especially defensively. But for me Mezut should not be in out first 11 until he proves in Capital One cup or reserve matches that he is willing to track back when played on the wing - until then, Arsene Wenger (if you are reading this!) please drop him. We will benefit as a team.


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  1. Jason B

    Sep 09, 2014, 23:19 #56987

    Sell him.

  2. maguiresbridge gooner

    Sep 09, 2014, 22:52 #56986

    jw, your right remember the eleventh commandant, the high and mighty GBP who has only been on here five minutes and already thinks he knows everything about everybody even things they don't know about themselves and what they need, and everything about everything (he's a weatherman now) really believes in that.For someone that ignores and tells us nobody is listening and it's not working he's very fond of replying, and his rants are becoming longer and longer in doing so, not working? I guess his new best mate BADARSE (he seems to have a few) is rubbing off on him already as he can forget to take the fingers of the keypad quite a bit himself, at least BADARSE has a good sense of humour and displays it quite often. I guess there are just some AKB's so far up OGL's rear end to have one and like their messiah himself too blinkered and set in their ways to change now.

  3. I Wish I Could Be Sid James Everyday

    Sep 09, 2014, 18:03 #56976

    Jeez, if I still cared about The Business Formerly Known As The Arsenal as much now as I did back then, I'd get involved in the myriad circular arguments that appear regularly under almost every article. TBFKATH care only about one thing, people, and it's not top - level trophies. All currencies welcome.

  4. GBP

    Sep 09, 2014, 15:44 #56971

    Only you and Marcus on here rant Jeff. Most of us offer an opinion, save for Maguiresbridge who just ..... well, im never totally sure what he does really, you can waste time working that one out!. I supported the youth project back in 06 to 08 absolutely as i thought it was good for the Clubs finances. I know many others did too and what's more i never heard many saying otherwise as we went to the CC Final in 07 and made a good go at the title in 08. in fact fans and the media were enthusing.Once again you make up false truths to suit your own bias's and prejudices and hope the rest of us have the same memory loss as you clearly have. The same happened when i challenged you over Senderos earlier and your answer didnt overcome the challenge then either. He was actually long term injured and that led to him losing a lot of games. He wasnt left to rot all.You call Wenger the illusionist yet you're the biggest illusionist on here and are constantly made a fool of, yet persist in the hope that your bluster, puffing and blowing will overcome the need for a sound argument. Its not working. Maguiresbridge - 'You lot'. are the Wenger detractors. There are so many on here, the generic term saves naming you all. There are a genre of posts that i ignore too. Most of yours in fact to be perfectly honest as you never say anything. You pop up like an old Minah bird and spout the same old diatribe and pretend that people are listening. They're not. You're also intensely miserable or at least your posts betray such a disposition. Is it the weather over there that does it? I know its pretty dire most of the time. Take a holiday or at least change your record. 18 years of top 4 isnt failure however much you keep on deluding yourselves that is. Live with it and respect it you blinkered souls. Football might even become enjoyable to you again though, i have doubts if you enjoy anything very much. Keep the name calling coming fellas. Its the net effect of those who've lost an argument that you never could win the first place. For Jeff and Maguiresbridge - see Asquith and Kitchener! COYG

  5. jeff wright

    Sep 09, 2014, 15:03 #56969

    MG,GBP and Badarse are like two peas in a pod regarding ther views on Arsene. They don't have ! Everything is as it should be and best left alone. Actually just saying that everything is okay is not really having any views. They react to events like the Welbeck signing,last week he was not required by Arsene who was well stoced up with strikers,there was Sanago,and er, well there was Sanago . now amazingly that's all changed and already the sermons to others about Danny are in full flow. You couldn't make it up.

  6. jeff wright

    Sep 09, 2014, 14:44 #56967

    GPB, Phil was so bad that when he returned from loan Wenger just left him in the stiffs, no one wanted him on the ludicrous wages that he was on,wages awarded to him by Wenger. Senderos is another of the failed Wenger 'project youth' that you and other AKB's were so beloved of . After your rants against those regarding the angry frustrated away supporters who shouted at Wenger to sign a striker,albeit using more industrious language,and your support for Wenger's claims that he did not need to do so and that Sanago would come good,I suspect that along with your obviously continued support for other Wenger shortcomings that you probably do still believe in his 'project youth' policy and that it failed do to unforeseen misfortune of the slings and arrows of adversity. Rather than it just having been a completely bonkers policy that never had a snowball in hell's chance of working. Many supporters and media types actually said this when Hill-Wood revealed that the policy was up and running . He took the money and run though when offered it by Stan who he had once advised us ( correctly in many supporters view) is the sort that we don't want at Arsenal.

  7. maguiresbridge gooner

    Sep 09, 2014, 14:31 #56966

    jw, yes it's clear the high and mighty GBP doesn't read any posts apart from his own, and that's debateable a lot of the time.

  8. maguiresbridge gooner

    Sep 09, 2014, 14:15 #56965

    GBP, you lot sneering at Danny welbeck? who are you lot? if you think I fall into that category you haven't read my earlier post stating I think he's a good signing and think and hope he does well starting on Saturday against the mercenaries. And anyway why should any body sneer he's a hell of a lot better than OGL has already lumbered us with.

  9. BADARSE

    Sep 09, 2014, 13:53 #56960

    Why have we only...well life's like that buddy, you plan and plan and then get run over by a bus. We are schooled from the cradle to save, be circumspect, plan for the future, old age, retirement-then the rug gets whipped out from under you. It's all a passing fancy, this thing called life, be patient and relaxed when you cannot effect positive change. Champion your cause by all means, shout it from the rooftops too. Time left? I guess my time could be very close, still we live in hope, always do that chum. Oh, and enjoy what you have in front of you. A hungry man enjoys a hunk of bread and a slab of cheese, he doesn't waste time thinking of what it might have been. Look forward to the banquets to come. If I don't get to see them then my grandchildren might.

  10. Over C Ah

    Sep 09, 2014, 12:53 #56955

    The first 3 games Ozil played are his first back from holiday. They are in essence his pre season friendlies. He should get better and sharper as the season progresses. Yes he was at fault for the goal against Everton, but it happens to all midfielders/attackers who don't have natural defensive instinct. Chambers and Mertesacker were at fault for other goal against Everton. Counting faults is pointless. if you can, i would suggest you watch the Everton game again. You will clearly see Ozil was our best player in the first half

  11. GBP

    Sep 09, 2014, 12:00 #56954

    Jeff - i was never a big fan of PS either, but saw him play some good matches too. Your comments clearly do back up my view though that he wasn't mastered by many, whether you or i liked him much or not. As for his effect on other defenders, im not totally sure how you can prove that unless you've asked them? Did he create any more such apprehension than any other defender he played alongside? Neither you nor i can have any idea at all.Its dead easy to condemn a player just because they don't fit into our perceptions of what a player should look like, be, or perform like. A little magnanimity is needed from time to time i would suggest.

  12. jeff wright

    Sep 09, 2014, 11:51 #56953

    Iwas at many games in which Senderos played and he was always an accident waiting to happen. You could depend on him to make at least one major clanger in every game. Sometimes he got away with them but his flakeness had effects on the other players. Drogba is an extreme example he has made mugs out of many defenders everywhere ,including Mertesacker. I do recall Senderos having a mare against Portsmouth when he was at AC Milan on loan he showed all the weaknesses that night,lack of pace no positional sense,poor passing,unable to deal with high crosses that we had all come to expect . Ironically Tony Adams was the Portsmouth manager that night ,life can be so cruel.

  13. Ozzie

    Sep 09, 2014, 11:42 #56952

    How brief a self forgetfulness is sleep...

  14. DJ

    Sep 09, 2014, 11:11 #56951

    Couldn't help but be impressed with DW last night esp his work rate. Hopefully, along with Sanchez, this attitude will rub off on the rest of the team and see us compete with the big boys!

  15. GBP

    Sep 09, 2014, 11:05 #56950

    OK Jeff - Tell me one other forward who consistently bettered Phil Senderos. I d love to know and i promise ill bow to the power of your recollect if you can show such a player who tormented him. Im asking for some examples now to support your bluster and appreciate its going to be a tough one for you. Im just having areal problem thinking of a game save for 2 v Chelsea where Senderos was destroyed. Think hard and dont make it up!

  16. Westlower

    Sep 09, 2014, 11:03 #56949

    Anyone near a radio? David Dein & Jens Lehmann are on Talksport in the next hour.

  17. Bard

    Sep 09, 2014, 10:55 #56948

    GBP: I never sleep, sleeping is for wimps. Us Dark Moonies are teak hard in the face of minor physical discomforts like tiredness. Thanks Jamie, but I won't be fooled by your offer of an olive branch. My Dad told me never to believe anyone who had more than 2 personalities !

  18. Why have we only got 6 defenders (and maybe one OAP)?

    Sep 09, 2014, 10:41 #56947

    BADARSE- 'Make fourth place, and hopefully slowly build towards a form of future dominance'. Wow, how slowly do you want to go, I thought that's what we've been doing for the past 8 years! That's what you guys have been telling us, anyway. Any idea when this masterplan might come to fruition as I'm a bit concerned that most of us will be long gone before it happens? JAMIE will probably be OK as he's only 12 but as for the rest of us....

  19. jeff wright

    Sep 09, 2014, 10:24 #56946

    GBP, another classic of delusion from you: " It was only Drogba who mastered Senderos ." You couldn't make it up.

  20. BADARSE

    Sep 09, 2014, 9:59 #56945

    Well done JAMIE; am ordering T-shirts, they will do well as Xmas prezzies. Those stats tell an obvious story 24601. Why can't they see it? Here's one, nervousness regarding the break-up of the Union, because it will sink the UK financially due to the global effect of todays capitalist domino-connections, so are reshuffling the pack and re-dealing. The Tories are toxic in Scotland, so the Labour party are in the vanguard trying to keep unification intact. They are the friendly face there. In parliament they are all together of course, but here is a case in point where ethics and desires have to be subjugated for the continuation of all. It kills the rebel in me, but vitally necessary. Parallels with AFC and the CL qualification anyone? Keep the union, but win huge independence for those north of the border is the only way to go...sadly. Make fourth place, and hopefully slowly build towards a form of future dominance.

  21. Westlower

    Sep 09, 2014, 9:41 #56944

    Further to the stat on how we fared against Man City since the Arabs took over the club in 2008. We played them on 15 occasions including the Community Shield + 2 Capital Cup ties. In the PL games at home, we've won 2, drew 3 & lost 1. Away, we've won 1, drew 1 & lost 4.

  22. JAMIE

    Sep 09, 2014, 9:41 #56943

    Sorry Bard I didn't mean to hurt your feelings I'm just going to tickle your ears from now on and whisper nice things.In fact I'm going to be more diplomatic from now on and am going to back your cause.I've just been on Amazon and ordered 'jeff,Bard, maguire and friends Backward Cycling Extravaganza to the tune of Oh Danny boy'See I am very kind to you. Ps the bit about you and Conchito Wurst was all made up as well.

  23. BADARSE

    Sep 09, 2014, 9:02 #56942

    DWT, liked that post fella, 60205, though you wobbled a bit in places, ha ha. Definitely from the heart. I agree about our shock-troop JAMIE. Ease up buddy, you should be above that...we are thinking of organising an Online Gooner Virtual good manners course, 'Etiquette not Ketti Het, and Table-Dancing Protocol', a chair with your name on is in the centre of the hall-you can dance on that to begin with as I am aware of your aversion to heights, that's the problem with supporting a lofty club like Arsenal, isn't it, ha ha? Rocky RIP and myself will give a little taster 'Table Dance', on Thursday evening, after choir practise. Red Rum, Red Rum,'Here's Danny!'

  24. Westlower

    Sep 09, 2014, 8:56 #56941

    Boys, boys, stop squabbling, Hiccup, please stop burping & let's get back to talking football. Ozil is not the problem, playing Ozil & Cazorla in the same team is the problem. Who remembers October 1956, Arsenal 7 Man City 3? 4 goals by Cliff Holton, one each for Joe Haverty, Jimmy Bloomfield & Dennis Evans. October 2000, Arsenal 5 Man City 0, Henry 2, A Cole, Wiltord & Bergkamp. Arsenal's home record against Man City reads 55 wins for AFC, 20 draws & 16 wins for City. Since the Arabs took over City in 2008, AFC won 4, 4 draws & City won 7. Money counts! Odds on Saturdays game, AFC 2/1, draw 13/5, Man C 6/4. To win PL, CFC 4/5 (55.5%), Man City 11/4 (26.7%), AFC 12/1 or a 7.7% chance of winning the PL, not impossible but very unlikely this season. Even my poor maths make CFC & Man City a joint 82.2% chance that one or other will win the PL this season, which equates to bookies odds of 1/5. That's the mathematical reality as calculated by unbiased bookmakers.

  25. GBP

    Sep 09, 2014, 8:13 #56940

    Have you not slept well Bard lad? Youre wrong there to be honest. Its us who back the boss who get all the vitriol in my view. Yes, i and a few others im sure will throw a few jibes and taunts back when its dished out but 'abuse' and 'insult'?I dont think so chap.

  26. GBP

    Sep 09, 2014, 7:38 #56939

    DW - Only joking re Drogba. Got to keep hoping though. Hes all we ve got lad. Agree with a few of the others though. Wouldnt be surprised at ll to see him on the flank. Jeff - Youre making it up again. Become a novelist my friend? As you mention him. i was talking to a Villa fan season ticketer on week end who was saying how good Senderos and Vlaar look together. In truth, it was only ever Drogba who monstered Senderos and DD monstered every Centre back didnt he at one time or another.

  27. Bard

    Sep 09, 2014, 7:23 #56938

    The absence of Arsenal games seems to have dulled the senses of some. What is all this claptrap about attitude to losing games. Do some on here really think that the arguments about Wengers fitness to manage the club are about losing a couple games and getting fed up. Either youre too stupid to understand the arguments or just too blindly obedient. Jamie and Co you waffle on about support, respect and not abusing players yet you roundly abuse and insult anyone who has a different opinion to yours. The hypocrisy in self evident.

  28. Hiccup

    Sep 09, 2014, 5:36 #56937

    Looks like GBP still has Jamie's 'make it us as you go along' syndrome. Wasn't it on deadline day that himself and Westie proclaimed what we had up front was fine? And of course, it was impossible to buy without selling first? They clearly know their stuff. Meanwhile the other 99 per cent of fans realised we really did need another striker to stand a chance. We get that striker, and the only back tracking and reversing in to walls is from himself. As jeff keeps saying, you couldn't make it up, but they still do.

  29. Ozzie

    Sep 09, 2014, 5:20 #56936

    ManU may yet ROO the day they let Welbeck go. A sign of things to come for us?

  30. Guy in Jersey

    Sep 09, 2014, 1:17 #56935

    I'm looking forward to our esteemed leader - he who can do now wrong - playing Welbeck as an auxiliary right winger after his brilliant attempt at an assist tonight (with Cazorla at centre forward to take advantage of his great control?). Wenger can do no wrong in my eyes, he's a tactical genius and we really should be playing him £18 million a year for all the magnificent possession football we play backwards, sideway and outside the box. For those who truly understand football, it's a sight to behold......................

  31. DW Thomas

    Sep 09, 2014, 0:40 #56934

    Welbeck our Drogba? GBP your delusions of grandeur are in full flight! I think he's a good signing, but surely you can't be that blinkered to think he will be as good as Drogba was in his prime? Drogba was unplayable at times, a beast to defend. I used to wish we had him. 100 goals for Chelsea over 8 years. 3 league titles, 29 goals in one season! Wow, mighty expectation for a striker who has not scored too many goals in his career thus far. I'll give you this though. He better put in more than Giroud! If so that's an improvement!

  32. DW Thomas

    Sep 08, 2014, 23:59 #56933

    Morons,huh Jamie? Coming from the top muppet himself, King Kermit, that's funny. I really do get exhausted reading your boring posts that never seem to have anything interesting to say. You just moan on about us that disagree with your blind following of your hero. No matter how good a manager is,or has been, my heroes are those that play on the pitch! Saying DW is the next Henry is a little premature, non? People,forget Rosciky who should play whenever possible, Ozil needs time and a top striker, and as far as booing players and such,that is never acceptable towards your own team! Even that game where Eboue was booed off the pitch was sad to me. I don't have much sympathy for these over paid pampered babies, many of them, but a fan should reatain some character. Buying a ticket doesn't give you the right to be an idiot. Just like past successes shouldn't guarantee your job. I would put good money on Arsenal not winning the league anytime soon unless tactics change, players are used appropriately, and the injury problem is worked out. All three to much or some extent depend in the manager! Even if a case was made for his replace meant, there would be much evidence on both sides. But, the most recent evidence is negative,whereas you must go back a ways for the positives, save the FA cup. A major issue I have seen on here a while now is too many people simply want to name call and spout in anger how their view is the only right one! Sounds like a dictator to me as opposed to reasoned thought. Still, the upcoming game is a big test. Believe it or not I,have some good vibes about our chances. The starting lineup is key methinks. And the subs, not preplanned, will make a big impact. It's Wenger's chance prove to me and his other critics wrong. I really hope he does.

  33. underacheiver

    Sep 08, 2014, 22:55 #56932

    Lots of us so called AMGs were happy that DW was signed, with the potential "to do a Sturridge". But the big concern is that OGL may put him out on the wing and continue with Sanogo in the middle. I hope not.

  34. jeff wright

    Sep 08, 2014, 22:50 #56931

    Hang on a mo Mr GPB I have been supporting the signing of Danny ! As I pointed out in a earlier post on the subject it's a shame that we didn't sign a couple more top players .I see that Djourou still looks solid in defence and he was of course along with Swiss Tony a big Fav of yours and is still an Arsenal player ,well done Arsene! I'm still of the view that Arsene did not sign Danny , but if he uses him properly could benefit from the signing .Well come on now he must be better than Sanago ! Who is another iffy Arsene signing that you wanted to be given years to allow Arsene to develop . You couldn't make it up.

  35. GBP

    Sep 08, 2014, 22:28 #56930

    Badarse - DW. Our Drogba. Its going to be fun on here when he starts knocking a few in for the Gunners as well. The reversing out of all the cul de sacs this lot are in is going to cause carnage, traffic mayhem. Cant wait! Bard reversing straight back at speed crashing through the jammed cars. Maguiresbridge trying to bump up the kerb and shoot back up the footpath hoping nobody notices him driving with his jacket pulled up over his head. Marcus remaining parked up and tucking himself low down into the footwell of 'We have only''s motor. Hiccup trying to drive down somebody's drive and rear garden to see if there's another way out and Jeff, just walking menacingly amongst the crammed vehicles, long hair blowing in the wind, scowling and knocking on their wind screens roaring at them to just hold their nerve, chastising them as dismal failures for denying its happening. It ll be like a ghost town on here. Go Go Danny!! COYG

  36. Peter Hughes

    Sep 08, 2014, 22:27 #56929

    Two goals despatched in true Henry style on an international stage. Especially the second.

  37. BADARSE

    Sep 08, 2014, 22:24 #56928

    'BADARSE, what's de Arenal? If it be mijn it Arsenal FC or Arsene FC, who es Arenal FC? De Brood es op de tafel, en we dancet op it. Mijn friend es A dam, nee not Adam, A dam, mit ein finger in it.' 'Go to bed please RUFARSE.' 'Ja, dank U wel, snoren en de bedlit, ha ha. Ik needen ein potty unter de bedlit, alstubleift.'

  38. BADARSE

    Sep 08, 2014, 22:13 #56927

    That was a nice one to go to bed on jeff, thank you, ha ha. Good old Arenal, Good old jeff wright.

  39. jeff wright

    Sep 08, 2014, 22:07 #56926

    Oh Danny Boy the pipes the pipes are calling up Holloway Road and down in the Grove. The summer is near gone and we need some goals a scoring. T's you t's you that must score them all for thereis no one else . And those that jeered you they will all be a cheering when you do win us the game. Oh Danny Boy Oh Danny Boy they will love you so . .............Okay this must be sung to the tune of Knees Up Mother Wenger . What a geezer Arsene is he wins the World Cup for Germany and now he is working his magic for ENGLAND !*!!

  40. BADARSE

    Sep 08, 2014, 21:46 #56925

    Switzerland 0 New Arsenal 2, well done Danny.

  41. GBP

    Sep 08, 2014, 21:45 #56924

    Maguiresbridge - Thats right i was close to being piss-d on Sat night.... oh piste you said. Not at all bud. Just enjoying the groundless posts, mine inc! COYG. You lot still sneering at Danny Wellbeck after tonight or just thinking of a new slant on him are you chaps? Ill wait with baited breath for the new pearls of illuminating wisdom on here tomorrow.COYG

  42. BADARSE

    Sep 08, 2014, 21:32 #56923

    Yeah, I feel for you maguiresbridge, perhaps all the more reason to live it to the full right now, I do, mind you I always have. I am still that table-top dancing twit, at least in my mind, ha ha. In 1978, living a couple of miles or so from Wembley, I destroyed my perfect sequence-I never went to the Cup Final. Times were a little difficult then, two kiddies, mortgage, car, the usual trappings young people are seduced into desiring and striving for. Once you have them you are hooked, repayments, renewals, insurance, running costs, replacements, all just a way of capturing and enslaving. I wore yellow and blue that day and I made rosettes for my two kids-out of the back of a Cornflake box. Shaped and coloured and pinned on the two 'littlies'. Rosettes were still a way of wearing your colours. We watched the lads go down on the telly. Sad day, but that time, ah that time, if only it hadn't slipped through my fingers so quickly. Little beautiful children, grown up, and me still a child. We are one big family fella, so enjoy the tales. I tell my grandsons it's their heritage, their history, their club, it's a part of you too, part of us all. Forward Arsenal.

  43. maguiresbridge gooner

    Sep 08, 2014, 21:18 #56922

    BADARSE, yes it probably is more or just as difficult to get to games nowadays well for some anyway, would loved to have got to those games in the day, yourself, westie, Ron, etc are always reminiscing about that's why I always love the articles and posts about those times, and indeed further back from those who were there, but as I said no easy travel for me from where I lived in those days, and anyway unaffordable.

  44. BADARSE

    Sep 08, 2014, 20:00 #56921

    Funny thing is nowadays it's difficult enough getting to games living less than 100 miles away. Life is a paradox my friend, the more avenues of communication, then the more garbled the countless messages become. The convenience of superb means of transport brings 'jams', delays, and countless restrictions. Life's a bitch, and then you die.

  45. maguiresbridge gooner

    Sep 08, 2014, 19:49 #56920

    RK, or BADARSE, GBP, or whoever afraid not, as we never lived in England let alone London not much money in those days and no easy jet or ryan air etc (well I don't think so anyway) we weren't privileged to get to those games.

  46. BADARSE

    Sep 08, 2014, 19:37 #56919

    maguiresbridge, remember William Garrow's law, or was it Denis Law? Anyway my dear Rumpole of the Bailey, 'Silence in court!' 'The ball was out!' Do you think you would make a good, wild west circuit, hanging judge? I think you might. 'Here come de judge, here come de judge. Everyone know's dat he is de judge.'-'Welcome to, DWT and maguiresbridge's Laugh-In'.-'Very interesting, but stupid!'.-'What's wrong with you Goldie?', 'Well, I put my hand in my pocket, but I didn't think there was anything in it.'-'I see. What was in it then?'-'There was a hole in it!'-'That's interesting Goldie.'-'Yes, and then I put my finger in it too, ha ha.'-'A ruzza buzz buzz, doo doo ruzz. Wanna make an old man happy?'- 'Say Good night maguiresbridge!'-'OK, Good night maguiresbridge.' Laugh-In memories, for the old Flower Power Hippies. Time passes, but not as sweetly as Mesut.

  47. jeff wright

    Sep 08, 2014, 19:33 #56918

    Wenger would have fired years ago at any other top club.We all know this so why are some trying to pretend otherwise. He would have been a goner last season if he had lost to Hull in the cup final 2-0 down he was sitting with his head down and hands clenched trembling in fear. He's safe this season though because he doesn't have to win anything other than a 4th place trophy again. Failure to do that though could see him shown the door . No one is expecting another job saving FAC win ,after all Wenger has never defended any cup or title in his life,so why go breaking the habit of a life time . Just as well the rules were changed making that 4th place a qualifying tie for the CL because scraping through the recent one - with a little help from the ref - kept up the illusion of us not being just a midtable side for Wenger. 4th place is in reality a Europa Cup spot - that's why the qualifier has to be played to win entry to the Champs League - so this Euro record of Wenger's is built to a large degree on winning the Qualifier ties,he doesn't usually win auto entry . Wenger might do better in the Ropey because his squad is more that level really than it is Champions League . 4th spot is just midtable really with the midtable starting below whatever the CL places are . Wenger would have more chance of winning the Ropey Cup because his weak squads and outdated tactics are always found out in the big eared one - but the money made from the group games is a big plus to off-set that. Let's be realistic here if Stan were offered the Ropey Cup instead of the 40 or 50m from just playing in the Champions League he would turn it down . Were he really serious about trying to win the European Cup then he would not employ a fool who has spent 18 years with us failing to win it even when he at one time had a world class side . Too late now that bird has flown,and despite the nonsense posted on here by some,so should Wenger.

  48. maguiresbridge gooner

    Sep 08, 2014, 19:11 #56917

    GBP, It wouldn't take anyone as well educated or brainy as you to act as the prosecution against your messiah, it would just take someone who can read or write with good eyesight, i'd imagine it would be harder to get someone to defend him, you'd really need someone with brains there, who's speciality is loop holes, and a sense of humour, i'm sure you'd be the man for the job although the sense of humour bit might go against you. It's good to see you and others taking a lot of trouble and time to go off piste from/with your usual ramblings mainly about your messiah and commenting on what you actually think of others as well as their posts, is this some kind of new tactic or order that has been issued from AKB central command to defend your messiah? is it really getting to you all that much, we'll have to Carry on Regardless then.

  49. Hiccup

    Sep 08, 2014, 18:47 #56916

    Westie's Tip of the Day: Steer clear of arsenal winning the league in the foreseeable future, and get your money on arsenal instead, to win the league in the next 3 years. Bet the bookies love this cash cow.

  50. JAMIE

    Sep 08, 2014, 18:33 #56915

    BADARSE-Loved it.More please tomorrow.

  51. maguiresbridge goner

    Sep 08, 2014, 18:11 #56914

    BADARSE, I'd say arsene with respect you've took us as far as you can, and that has been the case for three years or so, your rich enough now so piss off and let someone who is more interested in success on the field take over. I'm sure his reply would be in French triplicate or fluent Martian but when translated would read it wasn't my fault.

  52. AL

    Sep 08, 2014, 18:08 #56913

    Arsene, FFS, play him where he plays... a midfield of Ramsey, Wilshere with Ozil number 10! sanchez on the right welbeck centre and chamberlain left.... if ozil not performing def Rosicky over Cazorla...Rosicky seems to be the forgotten man... he's absolute quality and our best performances last year were with him in the team...

  53. Rectum Spectrum

    Sep 08, 2014, 18:06 #56912

    Your entire opinion is based on ozil being played out of position in a team that has been starved of pacey, mobile front men for over a season. Ozil will be played centrally and sanchez, walcot, welbeck amd even ramsey will finally start to make the runs that will see ozil shine. No, Ozil, one of the finest attacking players playing the game, cannot defend very well. Rather than remove that responsibility from him, sure we'll just drop our star player to the bench. Wow.

  54. Hiccup

    Sep 08, 2014, 18:03 #56911

    Westlower is a mathematician? Whatever next? Oliver Reed was a connoisseur of wine? Jamie is a poet?

  55. Why have we only got 6 defenders (and maybe one OAP)?

    Sep 08, 2014, 16:48 #56910

    GBP- You only have to re-read your posts during our little exchange towards the end of the previous thread to see that you dress yourself up as an 'unquestioning club sponge', nothing to do with me. But if you've become so conditioned to accept and even celebrate mediocrity from the manager of one of the world's biggest and richest football clubs, then even when you read the many powerful and coherent reasons for the removal of Wenger that appear on here daily, I guess you're never going to recognise them as such. I even slipped a nice succinct one for you in my recent post 60162 but predictably it must have gone right over your head.

  56. BADARSE

    Sep 08, 2014, 16:47 #56909

    Afternoon my little crochet hooks, necessary on occasions but can be spitefully painful if hooked up with them for too long, don't ever let them get under your skin. I have just returned from the Online Gooner Virtual Knitting and sewing circle group, 'U-Knit, U-Sew and Sew.' There were a few problems yesterday evening and it was a case of the usual suspects again I'm afraid. westlower, despite being a mathematician , has an aversion to sitting in a circle, he claims that geometry doesn't really add up, but there you are. 'I want to sit in a rectangle!', and, 'Pythagoras was really an old square.', was heard long after the class had ended. Disruptive in quite a different way was GBP. Now I can usually deal with minor problems but this was difficult last night, if only I was his mentor. He stood arms folded, lips firmly together, constantly shaking his head-his monocle fell off twice. He was asked to sit in the circle, but his definition was to sit alone within the circular group of 'knits', as we like to call them. 'This is sitting in a circle!' he kept insisting, he would blow raspberries for a while, then sang a few choruses of 'Good Old Arsenal.' He would not budge once seated and just poked his tongue out, and crossed his eyes at all those quietly sewing. JAMIE presents a different problem wherever he goes. He insisted that he didn't need to sew, and nobody could make him. His offer to arm-wrestle the tea lady wasn't accepted, probably due to the batteries in her hearing aid being on the blink, and not hearing. He had the bang needle anyway, as he insisted, because he left his Rich Tea biscuit dunked for too long and it broke off and fell in his cuppa. He couldn't be placated despite offers from Mathew to buy him a fresh cuppa, and just sat picking out bits and flicking them at the cat. GoonerRon spent the entire session outside and only came in when it started to rain. Painfully he'd lost his needle, and had spent the lesson looking for one in the haystack along the lane. Thing is he found one! The down side to this is he lost a shoe. Every time someone called out for 'thread', Fred jumped up and tried to bite someone. radfordkennedy was a late enroller, and spent most of the session driving everyone potty with his navel knot-tying of the thread. Along with all this our motto has been defaced. The embroidered wall covering, 'You Couldn't Make It Up.', has had the 'it' changed into 'jeff wright', not the done thing but an interesting consideration all the same. Next months class has been suspended.

  57. JAMIE

    Sep 08, 2014, 14:37 #56908

    The truth is the disgruntles cannot come up with anything substantial that would convince me that Wenger should go.Just meeting some of these people and reading their angst filled sweary forum dialogue convinces me more that these people are morons.Another BBQ/panto sketch please BADARSE to lighten proceedings.

  58. GBP

    Sep 08, 2014, 13:58 #56907

    Why have we .. There you go again with your assumptions. 'Tranquil'? Yes, certainly when it comes to football. Badarse merely says that Wenger has his faults. Of course he does. Find a Coach with none. Where you go wrong is assuming that me/us who back him, don't at various times agree with him. You like to dress me up as an unquestioning Club sponge, but you only do it as an extra barb to throw in place of a cogent argument to back up your view and you know it.Its an old trick to denigrate the person where you cant penetrate their opinion. Anyway,it reads to me like Badarse is saying that there isnt a persuasive global case to sack AW notwithstanding that there are aspects of his management that aren't tickety boo. Not sure why you cant read it that way? Its pretty clear in his words if you set aside your excitement for a moment or two. You ll have to ask him instead of churning out your mentor piffle at me? Can see why it annoys you that i and others support the Clubs stance on Wenger, but if its all right with you, i ll be holding fire until the case to dispense with him is a persuasive one which again, i say that you and your cohorts on here haven't yet produced.

  59. BADARSE

    Sep 08, 2014, 13:49 #56906

    @Why have we...I didn't think it was really necessary but I suppose I should have been a little clearer. He appears on occasions to play men where I wouldn't. I have seen his explanations but wouldn't do it myself. Sometimes he appears to delay in subbing a man, or doesn't send on the man I want sent on. He repeats a mantra, which I would rehash to freshen it, as our media try to character assassinate him for it-he is too trusting to a point of naivety. There is little info from the club on some matters-is he responsible? I watch his body language and sometimes he is too open by wearing his heart on his sleeve, and allowing his emotions to show through. That is a complaint I hold against myself, so I couldn't improve on his style, I just would want to shield him from the vicious hordes who would delight in ridiculing him. I wish he would get his zip fixed. I also wish he wouldn't kick water bottles, except at people like Mark Hughes, Mourhino or Pulis. Basically some things he is criticised for I would agree with, but I am critical of my loved ones, constructively critical. Sometimes I find I don't have all the facts and eat humble pie. In other words I have my own strong views on most things, it is why I have some criticisms of AW, but would I change him? Not in a million years, well after 999,000 years perhaps. He is human, is his own man, does what he does for AFC with the best of intentions and replacing him would never replace a person I was in total accord with. Human nature doesn't work that way. Have to rush there is a problem with the Online Gooner Virtual Knitting and sewing circle.

  60. radfordkennedy

    Sep 08, 2014, 13:46 #56905

    Lee...to be honest mate I think if everyone was honest to themselves,we all feel a little underwhelmed with him,but its a strange thing that one of his former managers and sections of fans from all his ex-clubs question his commitment and effectiveness,yet players who have played with him all say that he is a special talent,which to be fair weve only seen in flashes so far.So the conundrum seems to be how do we unlock the talent which undoubtedly lies within him.You dont get to play for Madrid or your country or Indeed Arsenal if your c##p,weve got to work out how to ignite this guys talent

  61. maguiresbridge gooner

    Sep 08, 2014, 13:32 #56904

    jw 60111, yes it didn't take his own countrymen so long to see through him and had the balls to do something about it.

  62. Lee

    Sep 08, 2014, 13:00 #56903

    For £43m I would expect a lot more than what Ozil is currently producing - regardless of where he plays.

  63. Why have we only got 6 defenders (and maybe one OAP)?

    Sep 08, 2014, 12:43 #56902

    GBP- From someone who leads such a 'tranquil life' due to your unquestioning acceptance of everything Arsene and Arsenal say or do, your posts are remarkably tetchy. I was just making the reasonable point that if, as you say, you are yet to be presented with a coherent reason for Wenger's removal, you should have a private word with your mentor because he seems to have spotted loads of them! No need to get all worked up this season though, our transfer window dealings and early season form have confirmed that there will yet again be nothing more than a scramble for 4th place and an FA Cup run to stress anyone. Enjoy.

  64. GBP

    Sep 08, 2014, 12:37 #56901

    Jamie - so very true. One of things i was always told as a kid was that there are always two teams in a match and the other team should be respected when they win. The trouble with many today is fundamental in that they cant hack a defeat or two. You can see it in their posts. West lower has sensibly made this point as well somewhere today. As with much in society today, there's a perceived need for permanent, maximum satisfaction and thrill 24/7 and if it isn't sated people scream like stuffed pigs for scapegoats instead of asking themselves why they feel how they do.

  65. Westlower

    Sep 08, 2014, 12:32 #56900

    Funny story coming out of the Lane that Daniel isn't happy with Baldini for not sealing the loan deal for Welbeck. Never mind chaps you've still got £25m Soldado. No more posts today as I'm off to Great Yarmouth to watch the 1/4 finals of the East Anglian Greyhound Derby.

  66. JAMIE

    Sep 08, 2014, 12:29 #56899

    I've always said those who abuse the players should have their own section preferably higher up in the heavens.You can bet that the likes of MARCUS,jeff wright,DW and maguire all had dad's who loved to moan about Arsenal and so they follow on in their traditions.Just the same the likes of BADARSE,westie,GBP had fathers who very rarely had a go at the players and the club,people tend to follow in the footsteps of their old man when it comes to football.

  67. GBP

    Sep 08, 2014, 11:58 #56898

    Why have we ...... 'Mentor'? I know you're prone to hyperbole and spurious 'arguments'(im being kind) to sack the Coach but that's a bit OTT surely? Ive not seen his post offering that view but if you've not quoted his comment out of context(you grumbling lot often excel at that)im happy to respect it. Im sure its a view made in a non groaning, non whining, non 'i feel sorry for myself because we ve not signed Falcao' sense, so it still sets his post apart from 99% of you lot. Looks like youre celebrating his post like a pig in clover, so he s made you happy today at least? Theres progress for you! COYG

  68. GBP

    Sep 08, 2014, 11:45 #56897

    DJ - Not surprised. Ive seen a few removed up in that C Level for the same non reason. The irony is that those C Level Arsenal fans who scream demanding removal etc etc hardly make a peep supporting Arsenal! Sit there like lemons instead. I guess you've been up there? Many have at times. It makes a lot of money for Arsenal im sure but id reclaim the whole circle of seats for genuine supporters if left to me. Bars would close up there and be cleared of people 15 mins pre KO and wouldnt open again until 15 mins after a game. Idealistic i know.

  69. Westlower

    Sep 08, 2014, 11:35 #56896

    @R/K, Maybe abusers feel inadequate with their lot in life & feel obliged to ridicule people with more talent than themselves? There is nothing worse than sitting near that type of spoiler at a game.

  70. JAMIE

    Sep 08, 2014, 11:31 #56895

    It always makes me laugh how some balding sixteen stone lard arse tucking into a burger has the balls to accuse any player of not trying.They say I've paid my money I can say what I like.Well no actually you can't fatty.

  71. Mathew

    Sep 08, 2014, 11:22 #56894

    I liked the fact that the whole world is behind Man Utd selling Welbeck to Arsenal. Hope he lives up to all those glorified suddenly spurt followers. Oh dear Arsenal, we missed you over the weekend. Anyone for ManCity barbecue this weekend ?

  72. DJ

    Sep 08, 2014, 11:18 #56893

    GBP: My most dissapointing time supporting Arsenal was when we played B Munich two seasons ago and there was a father and son supporting Bayern in the seats in front of me. Before the game we were talking football just the usual banter, in Engligh mind my German's terrible, and it was all gentle and light hearted. Then when the game started Bayern had the cheek to score and the father and son smiled sheepishly and applauded. Some of my fellow season ticket holders went purple with rage and demanded the couple were ejected. To my shame the stewards removed the couple and said it was for their own safety but have we come that far that we can't enjoy a game with someone routing for the oppossing team it's not if they were aggressive or supported Tottenham! I still argue my point to this day with my fellow season ticket holders but they won't have it!

  73. radfordkennedy

    Sep 08, 2014, 11:13 #56892

    Westie...I couldnt agree with you more well said,we might have our own opinions on players but to slaughter them at a game wearing the shirt is sickening to hear.over the years players like Rix and Davis took some stick from the crowd around 83'/84'i personally think out of frustration at how ordinary we were then as well as the fact that flair players will always come in for abuse because theyre perceived not to be trying or putting a shift in,its all very similar in fact to what Ozil is going through now.

  74. JAMIE

    Sep 08, 2014, 11:10 #56891

    The best way to deal with the boo boys is to sing the players name they're abusing, my cousin used to clump them but that just makes it worse as it gets them more irate,funny though.

  75. Why have we only got 6 defenders (and maybe one OAP)?

    Sep 08, 2014, 11:10 #56890

    Westlower- And this revelation only came to you in the last few days? Has our saviour FFP been proposed in implemented just in this last week? Perish the thought that you change your opinion to suit any given argument and hope no-one notices. I do agree though that Utd are and will remain light years ahead of us financially, and the City/Chelsea sugar daddies will use their money to massively improve their infrastructure and boost their revenue streams accordingly. Have you seen what City are doing off the pitch up there? Incredible. In the meantime they and many others will continue to look for loopholes such as feeder clubs and loan deals, and if all else fails cite restraint of trade and take it through the courts. We had our chances a few years ago when Ronaldo left Utd and before the Man City money kicked in but Wenger didn't have the balls to go for it. By the way, what do you think of BADARSE's assertion that 'many salient points to support his (Wenger's) removal are difficult to argue against, and most I would perhaps endorse'? And GBP/Jamie? Care to give your opinion of your mentor's views?

  76. GBP

    Sep 08, 2014, 11:01 #56889

    RK - Sorry. 60159 was me! Westlower - there was a section that did that to Hleb. He was frustrating i know, but some of the grumping about him was beneath contempt. Had a seat in the awful Club level for most of a season 5-6 years back and one guy up there gave him the foulest abuse possible. He was never booted out yet some times well behaved opposition fans would be up there and those around them used to scream at them, demanding exclusion for clapping a goal for their team. Pathetic. Like a few of the grumpies on here!!

  77. Westlower

    Sep 08, 2014, 10:48 #56888

    The one advantage we do have over CFC & Man City is the maturing of our younger Brit players, Gibbs, Wilshere, Ox, Welbeck, Ramsey, Chambers. This group will continue to improve for many years to come. @R/K It shook me to the core listening to some of the abuse Jon Sammels used to take. He was arguably our most skillful player with the hardest shot, yet some sections of the Highbury crowd reduced him to a nervous wreck. There is nothing worse than Gooners turning on their own. I found it sickening back then & I still do today. How do these clowns think they're helping the team with the sh*t that flows from their obscene mouths? They should be ejected from the ground & banned for life. I don't care how much money they pay to voice their wonk-eyed opinion. Respect is a way of living your life & nothing to do with money!

  78. RK

    Sep 08, 2014, 10:47 #56887

    That was maybe Maguiresbridges Dad! In all the years i only ever went in the East Lower once and recall it well. A 3-1 win v Coventry. Poor crowd. About 28000. Recall O Leary scoring and a chap for Cov named Gooding scored? Back row. Like looking through a letter box to see the pitch!! Never much liked East or West Stands really. East was slightly noisier wasnt it. North Bank lad. Loved it, even on the days when it used to kick off a bit up there, usually when Utd or Hammers were visiting!!

  79. radfordkennedy

    Sep 08, 2014, 10:26 #56886

    GBP...BADARSE..Cornish Gooner..speaking of the vitriolic abuse that Sammo took from the Highbury do you fellas remember a bloke who use to sit in either the first or second row of East lower roughly between the old glass dugouts and the Northbank corner flag,the abuse he aimed at certain players and im thinking of Mcnab and Nelson in particular was bordering on threatning behaviour,he always caused a row around him and his mates,yet the club did nothing about him,we always wondered why he bothered going,but he was the perfect example of a so called fan destroying a player.While I think of it im pretty sure it was this bloke who caused Jon Matthews to stop and actually have a stand up row with him at a throw in,mind you the old Eastlower was a hotbed of subversiveness in the 70's especially towards Terry Neill

  80. JAMIE

    Sep 08, 2014, 9:42 #56885

    People who forever want change are normally dim witted types with no self control,they go from opinion to opinion which normally changes by their mood, So many nowadays are forever chasing after the latest hot thing whether it be a new house or car or woman or yes a new Arsenal manager.They believe only if they get what they want will they be happy,yet generally find it to be the complete opposite.Cornish Gooner// Tony Adams,one of our greatest players yet in my book a rather stupid person,easily led by his belly and not his brains anyone who allows himself to get dragged into that lifestyle lacks sense and no doubt he's another one who wants change.Also I am well into my forties so neither old or young.

  81. Westlower

    Sep 08, 2014, 9:37 #56884

    @Only got 6 defenders, FFP is beginning to have an effect on the free spending clubs. Man U will probably get away with it as their turnover is relatively massive. Maureen stated last week the days of huge transfer dealings have ended at CFC. If AFC continue to buy a couple of big signings over the next couple of years then there's no reason we shouldn't be competing with them better terms than we are currently able to do. AFC is getting stronger by the year & hopefully CFC & Man City have reached a financial plateau which will give us a sporting chance in the coming years. I'm also of the belief that it doesn't matter two hoots who coaches these top teams as the infrastructure is so strong. CFC have been successful under a variety of coaches, each of whom benefited from being at a very wealthy club. Man City's new owners have enabled them to catch up with CFC in a relatively short time. Money & success go together like fish & chips!

  82. Why have we only got 6 defenders (and maybe one OAP)?

    Sep 08, 2014, 9:15 #56883

    Westlower- A few days ago you stated as fact that only Chelsea or Man City will win the league for the forseeable future? What's changed in the intervening few days that Arsenal haven't played?

  83. Westlower

    Sep 08, 2014, 8:30 #56882

    @DWT I think the major difference between you and I is how we both handle defeat. With maturity comes the realisation that there is little to be gained by losing your temper & throwing all of the toys out of the pram. We all hurt when we lose and that feeling can persist for 3 or 4 days until the next game is imminent. Some relieve the pain by demanding the manager is sacked & players replaced on radio phone-ins & posting their angst on web sitesr. Should we lose on Saturday, this site will be overwhelmed with p*ssed off Gooners. The alternative is try & rationalise why we lost. If we were beaten by a better team, applaud the victors. If we were beaten by a wrong call by the officials, take a contract out on them & rid them from the face of the earth (only joking). I believe the PL will be won by CFC or Man C. I also believe that sentiment would still be true if we exchanged managers, as Wenger would win the title with either club. The reverse of that is I don't believe Maureen or Pellegrini would win the title as AFC manager. By accepting AFC won't win the title this year comes the realisation that we'll lose somewhere between 6-8 games in the PL. It also means we won't lose the other 30+ games. Wearing my horse racing hat, to date this year I've bet on 146 horses, average stake £70, 66 won & 80 lost, so as you can see I get a lost more practice in coping with losing. I'd be laughed out of town if I complained on the Racing Post web site that the trainer be sacked & the jockey replaced, but many do, when anger overrides rationale. I survive by looking at the big picture over time & avoid getting distressed by short term losses. I have made a profit from betting every year for the past 10 years, averaging 54% profit on turnover. It wouldn't have been possible if I lost my perspective during the bad times. I also believe AFC are still on an upward curve and will possibly win the PL again in the next 3 years, Marcus please note.

  84. Westlower

    Sep 08, 2014, 7:26 #56881

    Interesting article in today's Racing Post re the impact of new signings. One of the examples given was Man U signing the stars of Euro 96 in Jordi Cruyff & Karel Poborsky + an unknown Norwegian, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer. The first two flopped dismally and the last named became an OT legend. Over time the clubs that spend the most money should end up with the best players, but there will always be good and bad deals. Because no one knows what impact a new signing will have. When somebody tells you they do, smile politely but take no notice.

  85. BADARSE

    Sep 08, 2014, 4:46 #56880

    Good morning, my little bowls of steaming, cholesterol-stripping porridge, made with water/milk, and a little brown sugar,a good healthy choice-good old Uncle Toby!. How magnanimous I feel this morning. So many interesting personalities are on here, odd, peculiar even, but definitely quite interesting-now there is a TV programme, host, and panel. GBP, yes Hleb probably was the closest to George Eastham, who oozed class. Him and Joe Baker were a wonderful partnership. Yes Hleb left, big money, leaving the grey of England, and the brutality of the PL, but missed AFC, and regretted it very quickly. The biggest football mistake of his life as he admitted. Just a point DWT, you are right to say if you aim above a target the flight, (gravity), makes the shaft drop slightly-ask the dart player westlower about that. Thing is, it has to be a reasonable target, otherwise it's wasted energy, focusing on things you cannot change, jumping from frying pan to fire. Put another way, again westlower is part of the analogy, you start with a certain stake and win a lot. It sits on the table in front of you and has lost it's value, it isn't money anymore, just plastic chips. With outrageous odds against why put a fortune on a bet to win a handful of chips? That's what many are doing in this approach. Not just with Arsene but recklessly moving house, changing jobs, girl/boyfriends etc. This is an unsettling time in humanities history. Movement all over the globe at the drop of a hat, bringing great advantage, but also terror. Everyone wants it all, and they want it now, a 'once in a lifetime holiday', annually! I think it's quite logical to assess, identify an underachievement, and then decide on a rectifying action. It has kept the species on the planet so far, so is a trusted formula. However, if the identifying process is skewed by guesswork and even lies, as all the circumstances are unknown or a superficial approach to them adopted it is quite natural to arrive at different conclusions. Can you imagine the establishment carrying out a similar adaptation of their powers? People would be guilty almost immediately, based on circumstantial evidence, rumour, hearsay, and subject to personal and individual interpretation. The establishment want this, and 'terror' is giving them the route to achieving this-things will get worse there sadly.'William Garrow fought for the 'innocent until proven guilty' law, we risk that at our peril. This tempers the judgement of most. What else is happening? Well the powers that be are terrified that Scotland will leave the union, so as expected they bring out the bribes to seduce enough votes to maintain the status quo. You couldn't make it up, oh, yes you can, because most things follow a similar pattern.

  86. DW Thomas

    Sep 08, 2014, 0:09 #56879

    Rosicky on his day is as good or better than any of our mfs. Shame Wenger won't play him and he's now talking of leaving too! What is it about the old man that he only likes to play his favorites? Hleb wasn't bad but he decided to leave too didn't he? Never was as good again. Be an interesting bet for Westie to see who's leaving next. Jamie, "perfection is unattainable, but if we aim for it we will achieve excellence." Look that one up. And,do you ever say/think of anything of interest? You blabber on endlessly about how Arsene is the man and can do no wrong and we are all sheep. Endless drivel! For once I'd like to hear you say something of note. Even GBP and Baddie I can stomach for a laugh and at least try to sound intelligent. You might be the definition of Wenger lackey.

  87. A Cornish Gooner

    Sep 08, 2014, 0:01 #56878

    @JAMIE. As a supposed Arsenal aficionado I'm surprised you refer to 'poor sad laughable bed wetters' Maybe you should have a chat with Tony Adams, and hear what he has to say on the subject. That's if you know who Tony Adams is.

  88. A Cornish Gooner

    Sep 07, 2014, 23:40 #56877

    Re. Jon Sammels. Look up Jon Sammels 501 Arsenal Goals. On Youtube. Features his goals v Man Utd and Anderlecht. Incidentally, Sammels was mentioned in the Paul Vaessen book, reviewed recently, for receiving the greatest amount of stick from the Arsenal fans, prior to Vaessen's v Winterslag in '81. Any Gooners remember that night? We won 2-1, but went out on away goals rule to a team of part timers.

  89. JAMIE

    Sep 07, 2014, 23:10 #56876

    The poor discontented dark moonie sheep will never really find any pleasure in the Arsenal, because all they ever have to offer is negativity and backbiting.Shame, as they miss out on a lot great fun and moments due to their inability to enjoy what treasures they already have if they had the ability to see.Instead they choose to covet and speculate about what is on offer in the downtown Manchester and Chelsea gardens.Refusing the radiant red they settle for the common grey and replacing the juicy steak they dine out on mushy peas without the mint sauce of course.They seek a perfectionism which is unattainable and in the end finish up as poor sad laughable bed wetters who have brainwashed themselves to believe a lie, spending out their days being cast in plays and gourmet BBQ events for the enjoyment of real Gooners to have a good chuckle over.

  90. David

    Sep 07, 2014, 22:40 #56875

    At the moment, not re-signing Cesc and off-loading Ozil looks to be a blunder by AW. Ozil was a panic buy rather than a long term target. He's that girlfriend you have because you can't stand being alone. Deep down, he knows he's not really wanted.

  91. Know Man

    Sep 07, 2014, 22:03 #56874

    You're not allowed to question Ozil. For most, even when he plays **** the dun still shines out of his arse. Last season, where he was apparently the best player in the league, please tell me what effect he had in the big matches against the German teams and in the games where we were spanked by City & Liverpool. Against Utd he once again went missing. But yes, he's a magnificinent player.

  92. GBP

    Sep 07, 2014, 21:56 #56873

    Hleb - a latter day Eastham? I only saw GE on the odd bit of TV highlights as a lad though and it wasnt often was it.My Dad loved him! He was just too slight wasnt he. Skilled though. Rosicky was class. Such a shame he lose those 2 years. Hes never had the same panache and dash since he fought back but hes a smashing little servant. Always recall how he dismantled Man U at OT when we won there 1-0 must have been in about 06? Ade scored. I think it was his best game but he also took Liverpool apart at Anfield in the FA Cup that year too.

  93. BADARSE

    Sep 07, 2014, 21:28 #56872

    Yes GBP, I think Arsene would have picked Sammels, and he may have made a bigger impact today than in the past. I really liked, wait for the onslaught...Alex Hleb. I thought he had immense talent and stroked the ball with a feather light touch, similar to Bergkamp's passing technique. I would be enthralled watching him on the ball, as I still get entranced by watching Tomas Rosicky.

  94. GBP

    Sep 07, 2014, 20:57 #56871

    Yes. Sammels, one of the Billy Wright nursery wasnt he. Very cultured. Ahead of his time really, playing with that laconic 'the ball is my friend style' style of his in an era where kick and hack was closing in fast. Arsene would have picked Sammels do you think? Maquiresbridge - Not wanting to be unduly harsh on you, but if the Wenger out brigade were going to nominate an advocate to present the 'prosecutions' case v Wenger, they would certainly need better than what you offer. To be honest even if you were offered up as QC for the on line Gooner witchhunt foundation you're 'case' would probably be struck out by the Court as having no foundation and being vexatious before any of your witnesses on here had chance to give your evidence and thus all of you would avoid making fools of yourselves in the final shakedown.

  95. BADARSE

    Sep 07, 2014, 20:56 #56870

    If I was alone in a room with Arsene I'd say, 'Oi, what we doing in 'ere Arsene?' He'd say, 'Dunno.' I'd say, 'Not mushroom in here, is there?' He'd say, 'Champignons?' I'd say, 'Mais non.' He'd say, 'May who?' I'd say 'May West?' He'd say, 'Come up and see me some time?' I'd say, 'I am up here, right now, and so are you.' He'd say, 'Mais oui.' I'd say, 'Shall we go?' He'd say, 'Mais bien sur.' Then we'd go, allez oop. What would you say maguiresbridge?

  96. BADARSE

    Sep 07, 2014, 20:41 #56869

    Had a quiet acknowledging smile on my face, nodding away as I read your post GBP-medication is just kicking in, ha ha. Then I read 'Sammels'-dear old Sammy. A few months ago we discussed him. He was a young hero of mine. An elegant, upright artist of a player. Skimmed over the playing surface and saw passes that many others never did. I was in the westlower stand towards the North Bank the day he beat Stepney at the Clock End from near the halfway line. He used to glide over the pitch and he loved Arsenal. Stories surround him that on the night we beat the Sours at WHL, Monday 3rd May 1971, to become the Champions, he sat in the dressing room and he cried. Arsenal in the heart. I also know westlower and his wife julesd admired Sammels, a great favourite of their's, an artist and ball player, dear Jon Sammels, and do you know what GBP? I'd still, 'Walk a million miles, for one of your goals, my Sammy!'

  97. maguiresbridge gooner

    Sep 07, 2014, 20:36 #56868

    GBP, your messiah dismantling them? I doubt It, i'd love to be put in a room with him but I doubt very much i'd get answers to simple honest questions. And anyway when would any of us find ourselves in the same room as your messiah? He or his lackeys would make sure that wouldn't/will never happen, not on our own anyway, any time it does come about it's always invited guests (mostly worshippers like yourself)carefully selected with questions pre submitted and no doubt the easy ones selected, and any one that does have the balls to speak up and ask an awkward one out of turn that might make your messiah look bad their quickly rebuked by TKOS sitting there ready to pounce, as OGL sits there smirking.

  98. Carlos

    Sep 07, 2014, 20:35 #56867

    A good player in a top team, but not in the current side. He didn't want to join and he doesn't want to be here.

  99. GBP

    Sep 07, 2014, 20:21 #56866

    Indeed we do Badarse. Good posting!. Like you, ive already taken the view that the witchfinders on here are fast on blinkered and mood resistant to any pliability in any way shape or form towards the Club or Arsene Wenger. The team had detractors years ago and always will. I remember how appallingly many treated Jon Sammels, a hero of mine and drove him to Leicester City (im sure that you do as well). That was match day bile and vitriol though, much worse for the man than than vacuous keyboard warriors pretending their having influence on the powers that be from here, from whom Arsene Wenger is insulated.Thank heavens they have no 'vote'on these things Badarse. Small mercies i say. Having said all of this, the day i see a well framed and justfied aragument backed by cogent logic and reason that the Coach needs removing, ill accept the argument as valid and might even agree. Somehow i cant see any of these pilgrims on here offering one up any time soon. Can you? Keep it up AW. You and the ClubS bosses are doing a fantastic job and heres a glass raised to a good Season. COYG.

  100. BADARSE

    Sep 07, 2014, 19:53 #56865

    jeff wright, in 1992 I had a conversation with a young Brazilian student, he was studying to become a doctor. The news of the Premier League had broken and we discussed the subject. He was so excited for English fans, it bemused me. He was very positive and insisted that we would be very fortunate because we would see mega players from Europe in our league. I never realised we would see so many due to the reformation of the CL motivated by Sky TV money. My argument against was that it would destroy the identity of the home grown English/UK league. I also explained that it would be the kiss of death for the national team, as we may have a dearth of talent coming through. I never realised how far-reaching that would be. I was actually interested in internationals in those days. Well life clicked on a couple of notches. We saw Bergkamp. Arsene Wenger came out to play. We had a couple of 'Doubles', became 'Invincible', made three consecutive FA Cup Finals, again! We played football like the ballet, as I'd always dreamed it could be played. It clicked on a little more and we found ourselves in a state of the art stadium, playing football over two decades that most can still only dream of. Sometimes we change jeff. Don't we GBP?

  101. Hiccup

    Sep 07, 2014, 19:52 #56864

    What time can we expect Badarse's bedtime story? Jamie and GBP will be tucked up in bed all excited in anticipation, as they hang on each and every word of their hero. I'm hoping it's the BBQ one where all the dark moonies are zapped by the outlaws... or even Errol Flynn now!

  102. jeff wright

    Sep 07, 2014, 19:21 #56863

    AMG, I guess the truth often hurts those who are trying to avoid facing it. I will go on expressing my views despite the attempts by some to silence me. The deluded dear Jamie believes that I am the head of a 'gang' on here when in reality,reality not being something that he is obviously not familiar with, I am just posting a few comments and reacting to what others,such as Badarse, post in reply. Anyway, time for a breather and to await future developments,what I will add though is that if I had the supposed confidence and faith in Wenger that his supporters claim to have then I would be predicting something other than a 3rd place finish for us this season . A European Cup win for Wenger looks further away now than it did a decade ago.And that is his own self claimed numero one ambition that he has worked to try and achieve. For me at his age he is just filling in time by earning Stan the Euro midweek TV cash every season and being well rewarded for doing so . Politically motivated types, such as Badarse, who have decided that Wenger brings something to the table that the home grown managers have lacked try to dress this up as being something special,but they are not fooling anyone. Wenger is money motivated and no Joe of Arc on a mission.

  103. BADARSE

    Sep 07, 2014, 19:06 #56862

    Tinman, an intended joke at my own expense, glad it amused. I do what I do, I am not a mob. There is no malice. Daft, silly, and as stated I enjoy jeff wright, many do. List my misgivings of AW? Ha ha, too numerous. Thank you for your brief critique, but are you still coming to the BBQ? Someone has to bring the jelly beans, and your spoons act is a must!

  104. A Cornish Gooner

    Sep 07, 2014, 18:44 #56861

    @BADARSE 60126. Whether you 'genuinely thought it was hurting him' or not, it's still part of the 'mob mentality' 'Many salient points to support his removal are difficult to argue against, and most I would perhaps endorse.' Such as? Very brave of you to admit to having a small one!@DWT 60130 Agree with you. Recently the posts have been almost as bad as PMQ.

  105. maguiresbridge gooner

    Sep 07, 2014, 18:40 #56860

    DW,60080 just getting caught up now, you can just imagine that, good sense of humour, thankfully some still have it.

  106. maguiresbridge gooner

    Sep 07, 2014, 18:18 #56859

    RDT_4, OGL would never do that heaven forbid, he has to much integrity, remember he makes stars not destroy them. There's no way he'd let his own precious philosophies, projects, way of thinking, ego, etc, get in the way of a players reputation or career.

  107. DW Thomas

    Sep 07, 2014, 18:13 #56858

    Baddie! Loved that last post of yours, truly, no sarcasm! You are my favorite Wenger lover! I think the Dark Side, I see it as the light of truth!, may be starting to appeal to your senses! I get your points. Only recently has this site gotten into some crass name calling territory! Deep down, we all want success for our club,,just view it differently in how we achieve that and what is the measure! Success for me is sustained competition and doing ALL we can to achieve it. From that I feel more trophies would naturally come. I honestly believe we could be as dominant as Barca was several years ago, but we have had too many weak links. Too often the team has missed out on glory due to poor transfer decisions, poor tactics, players simply not up to it and stuck with by Wenger, and then we get the continued spin on why we failed. Or that CL qualification is the end all be all. For a long time now we have been fed the line that we are going to compete with the best. It started with the stadium move. Wenger used to be a well respected man by me, but then we started to sell our captains and replace them with no one. Most agitating has become his pressers. Always blaming something or someone else. It's become embarrassing frankly. Yet there are moments of brilliance still sometimes. I watch and follow hoping for these. Sometimes it's simply a great pass by Ozil or a quick turn by Wilshere. I see the little things that many fans miss. Those,still give me joy. But glory is so much more too! A culmination of many of those moments.

  108. JAMIE

    Sep 07, 2014, 18:10 #56857

    I think Jeff Wright and the rest of his gang love being the stars of these bbq's and panto's, it's a shame we couldn't have a few cartoon drawings to go with them for extra affect.Everybody loves reading them so hopefully BADARSE has enough good material to produce them on a daily basis.Not that I'm encouraging him but it's all good harmless fun,and a good humbler for those with inflated dark moonie tendancies.

  109. maguiresbridge gooner

    Sep 07, 2014, 17:38 #56856

    BADARSE, I think what jw and myself were alluding to was fans outside the ground cheering when told there was no interest in Danny boy and who now probably think he's a great one, and would think he's even better if told he was an arsene one and told by the great man himself he was super super quality. For the record I think he was a good signing also (regardless of who signed him)and think and hope he does a great job for us (I think I've said as much in another post) goodness knows we need someone and hopefully it will start on Saturday against the blue mancs.

  110. DW Thomas

    Sep 07, 2014, 17:37 #56855

    GBP, Baddie, Westie, Jamie. If you all could stop slapping each other on the ass for 5 minutes and actually read posts for once instead of trotting out your same tired old line supporting your hero Wenger, you might see that many of us are very clear with our stance and back it up with facts. I used to support Arsene even a couple years ago, so GBP, I went the other way! I awoke to the fact he will never change no matter how many tries! He is a dinosaur in the modern game. He brought us fans great time, but only for a time. Now it's flopping when it counts. Take one simple fact. He has never beaten Mo and on his 1000th game in charge got beaten to a pulp by a not so great Chelsea team. He oversaw an 8-2 destruction by a Man United, the flop in Milan, the CC final embarrassment by a relegated team, the failure to go deep in the CL for ages now! Sure, you can dismiss all these and chalk it up to mysterious universal forces working against him. But, then you can't give him the credit for his success either! You lot are a cake and eat it too bunch, always belittling others with opposing views withthe extremist of arrogance. You really should learn space travel, find your own planet, and BBQ all day slapping each other with basting brushes all while telling each other how smart and wonderful you are! That way you will never have to read one of our posts again! You can marinate in all your Wenger platitudes and panto till the sun comes up. Let's see how we do vs City at home next week after they lost to lowly Stoke. They will be hungry, guaranteed. Will we? Yet, I can already hear your excuses should we lose...money, better players, we were tired, jaded, lack spirit, etc. etc. the same ones your idol throws out each week!

  111. BADARSE

    Sep 07, 2014, 17:32 #56854

    Listen AMG, we love jeff wright. He is a star turn, and a good egg, even if much of it is often left on his face. If I genuinely thought it was hurting him I would stop. It is a tease, nothing more-the man has acquired cult status. This debate you talk of doesn't exist. It is no more a debate than a slapstick interlude. When I first began posting, just over a year ago, I tried naively to discuss and answer criticisms of the argument to sack Arsene Wenger. I was shocked that people actually wanted him sacked, and for such flimsy reasons. I believed my criteria for him remaining was far too strong to be defeated. I still think that but gave up trying a while back. I received some outrageous abuse, which was meant. It was cowardly and unjust. I have long since realised that many post due to deficiencies, or failings in the make up of the individual. I mean that in the kindest way. An addictive personality is a recognised phenomenon, that which makes one take a dangerous drug, and another walks away from it. Similar intellect, same academic qualifications, but integrally different. I know the point of sack/keep AW is a futile head-banging exercise. Many salient points to support his removal are difficult to argue against, and most I would perhaps endorse. However it is no contest when I weigh the positive against the lesser negatives. No one is perfect, all have failings, even I have two or three, well one or two, well certainly one, but a small one. I am just happy to occasionally shoot down, or challenge some daft accusations. Many are fictitious mind-wanderings of those with an agenda. Sometimes a reasonable point is lost in the wash of vitriol which it is sloshing about in. Now and again someone needs to be drawn up gently, both the pro's and anti's can let their ire get the better of them. It has happened with yours truly, but I always apologise. Never 'insult or be offensive' isn't a difficult remit, is it? We are supposed to support the same team anyway. The irony is I might find some who would oppose my general view-which is such a small point, though a very important issue (go/stay AW)-might actually concur with generalities in life, of course many would not. We are all different, and reporting, 'An Arsenal fan did this,' is almost as licentious as saying, 'A black person did this,'. Neither should be ever used, but the feeling that being a fan of AFC makes us identical is a nonsense. I swerve towards those I see of a similar ilk, it is natural that they support AW, I just said, we are a similar ilk. I like a number that I have fashioned an understanding with, those from the Dark Side that is, the likeable but suicidal and off-piste DWT, maguiresbridge-mainly because we use his garden for our BBQ's, the site psychiatrist Bard, our Yorkshire Terrier Gaz, AMG oh, you kind of know that, Athoz from down under, Tinman, Hiccup and of course the star man jeff wright. Together, together, together.

  112. maguiresbridge gooner

    Sep 07, 2014, 16:12 #56853

    DW,60046 another very good description that has been used on here is Jack of all Trades masters of none.

  113. AMG

    Sep 07, 2014, 16:03 #56852

    Keep up the good work Jeff. Unfortunately predicting where arsenal will finish is a bit of a futile exercise as invariably it won't be 1st. What bothers me is not that we don't win, it's that we don't try. We don't spend the resources available to us and we allow the specialist in failure to continue his little experiments safe in the knowledge that 'the club won't go bankrupt' as we usually scrape 4th. I was speaking to some Manchester United fans the other day and they were telling me that they were gutted to have signed Falcao and Di Maria, because they cost the club a lot of money, after all, what's more important to fans, rich directors or success on the pitch?! Not such an obvious answer if the apologists are to be believed. Unfortunately, the whole 'Wenger in, Wenger out, shake it all about' debate is an academic one as he's going nowhere, so the WOB/AKB infighting is akin to noses, knives and face spiting. Perhaps the failed academics you're up against see something of themselves in Le Prof, hence why the defend him so vehemently. Or perhaps they just have nowt better to do and admire themselves and their prose a little more than is healthy. Either way, it makes for interesting reading on a Sunday afternoon. Do you not find there's something hypocritical about lambasting some for 'mob mentality' where AW is concerned, yet bleating in unison against JW whenever it suits them? Leading question I know, naughty me!

  114. BADARSE

    Sep 07, 2014, 15:26 #56851

    Ah, Jeffrey. So nuclear weapons are deterrents? Why haven't they stopped the ravages of the incessant wars since whenever? I shall tell you, because no one dare use them. However we have to worry about the maverick countries who just might, so quite a few demerit points there. CND was never a waste of time, on one demo that I attended Suggs, his wife and baby daughter, Scarlett, were on it-sweet. Nothing you do is a waste of time jeff wright, it has to be what you believe to be right at the time, so you do it. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, though it would be a bit disconcerting for one of westlower's jockeys to have the horse in front winking at him. Yeah, did have a fur-trimmed parka back in the early 60's. and a superb red lambretta, with black and red horizontal striped side panels, and a dozen lights on the carrier in front. All glossy red, black and shiny chrome. Never worn a goatee, but in the late 60's had a Sergeant Pepper moustache for a few years, shaved it, grew it, shaved it, then decided to get some fresh hair on my face again, so grew it. Facial hair went after that, it didn't suit my John Denver look, or was it Karl Denver. My smile always wooed people like you back then, so it must have been John Denver...'There's a storm across the valley, clouds are rolling in, the afternoon is heavy on your shoulders...' (What a poet). I recommend reading an occasional Daily Worker still, though never flogged them, and my vision is still 21/21-I can see through many people and machinations! Sorry, have to go, something coming through on the ticker-tape machine.

  115. Wenger "tactics are mints"

    Sep 07, 2014, 15:22 #56850

    The problem IS Wenger.The season before Ozil signed in the two major competitions we finished 4th and got knocked in the last 16 of the CL.Even with Ozil we couldnt improve in both competitions.Why? Wenger the clueless on continues to play Ozil out of position.He is a number 10 play him there.Why does Wenger continue to play players in the wrong position Arshavin Podolski and Ozil

  116. Hiccup

    Sep 07, 2014, 13:54 #56848

    Jamie, please stick to your forte of writing nursery rhymes. When you try venturing from this it all goes a bit pear shaped and you need badarse to dig you out. Please talk us through that masterpiece. Did that take you weeks to compose, or did you drum it up in ten minutes a la Lennon/McCartney?

  117. johnnyh

    Sep 07, 2014, 13:52 #56847

    good article gary and there will be no question of your parentage from me.the problem lies with our clueless manager.he is not using ozil properly,just like he failed to use arshavin properly,who in my opinion was a much better player. just like arshavin, mesut is not a winger,he is a player who needs to play within the width of the penalty box so he can pick those killer passes for the likes of ramsey,sanchez or walcott. wenger is ruining the guys confidence just like he ruined arshavins confidence. the question is if i can see this then how come a guy getting paid 8 million a year cant?

  118. Mark

    Sep 07, 2014, 13:50 #56846

    Anne , is the stuff you take legal , don't worry Loose Women is back on itv at 2pm , stick to that please.

  119. GBP

    Sep 07, 2014, 13:42 #56845

    Jeff. Just read your 60111 properly. Funny. I'm sure Badarse will laugh too. Youre right. I can laugh at anything pretty much. Theres not a poster on here who can shake a stick at you when it comes to a good rant. Keep it up. It all adds to the mix and lets celebrate us all seeing so much so differently. COYG!

  120. jeff wright

    Sep 07, 2014, 13:39 #56844

    As I recall it lee KFC Liverpool finished second in the league and were still in with a chance of winning the title on the last day,while on the otherhand we ended uo in 4th place out of the title race weeks before after getting stuffed 6-0 at the bridge. You are still chickening out of predicting where we will finish this season , come on now put up or shut up. Dear Jamie, ah! so Errol Flynn is the actor who played General Custer making his last stand at the Little Big Horn after making tactical mistakes and underestimating his opponents . Custer said before he and all his men were massacred by Stting Bull and Crazy Horse's warriors ,we don't worry about the Indians ,we let them worry about us. Sounds somehow rather familiar this. You couldn't make it up.

  121. feranmi sowole

    Sep 07, 2014, 13:31 #56843

    You just criticise you can't do half of what he does for the team put on a shirt and get a job

  122. JAMIE

    Sep 07, 2014, 13:15 #56842

    Come on Jeff you have to admit BADARSE's little ditties are humourous and work better because the people who are in them are so silly and self righteous.Yes I have to admit that most AAA people I have met resemble the vicar and verger from Dads Army.Where as most of us AKB's tend to look more like Errol Flynn.

  123. Lee afc

    Sep 07, 2014, 12:58 #56841

    Liverpool blew the financial doping success claims away last season claims Jeff right..why was that?? Because we won more than they did last year, well at least, the last time I looked. So if that means winning nothing is a success, then the last 9 years have been worthwhile...get back in your straightjacket Jeff. You're all tied up in knots.

  124. jeff wright

    Sep 07, 2014, 12:45 #56840

    lee KFC (yawn)just stop bleating like a sheep and answer the question... it becomes more hilarious on here by the day with you posting stats that disprove what you are trying to claim then we have we dear Jamie using our winning a title once with less resources than the sours to add more fuel to the fire regarding financial doping being used for an excuse for Wenger's failures. Here it is quote by dear Jamie" "JAMIE 10:54am 7th Sep 2014: "What about when we spent far less than the sours yet won the league without losing a game and they limped home in fourteenth.>>>" Yes what about that then Jamie.? Jamie is hardly Rumpole of the Bailey when making his cases is he? GPB, you are obviously easily amused!You couldnt make it up. GPB, I see old Badass as being an old Lenin look-a-like with goatee beard and specs an ex card carrying liberal lefty CND nut in a green anorak who used to try selling copies of The Daily Worker outside underground stations back in the 6Os to the proletariat . The fact that everything he believed in was proven wrong has not fazed him , oh no not him , he he just puts it down to experience now that knows what is REALLY the truth - or at least so he thinks.His problem is that he thinks too much and is easily persuaded by others. Wenger has just lost his job on French TV after his World Cup stint was judged to be on a par with Phil Nobhead Nevil's for England .The bemused Froggies sitting at home in places such as the Cote D'Azor drinking glasses of chilled Chatteau du Tertre while watching les bleus flopping again were asking why is this old clueless buffoon on our TV talking nonsense ? Some of us think that when we see his post match interviews on our telly... c' est la vie!

  125. Lee afc

    Sep 07, 2014, 12:03 #56838

    Jeff..I'd love to give you a prediction as to where arsenal are going to finish this season but as you have found out..i.e. "Germany can't win the world cup"...along with your quote "pellegrini is Spanish"...it just leaves you looking a fool and I'll leave that in your corner.

  126. GBP

    Sep 07, 2014, 12:02 #56837

    Hiccup - Youve got to admit, it is funny! Jeff - 3rd i d say? 3rd and a decent result or two v City and Chelsea would amount to a good season. I cant really see as Liverpool broke any financial taboos last season you know. Out of the Cups early, no CL football,injuries and suspensions were kind to them and an exceptional season from a player who will shine in any league fitness permitting plus some very good play as well in many games, credit due. Their season was a good but im not sure its proved anything yet. As is the way with these things if they can do it over 3-4 Seasons ill happily take the point, but note the amount they have actually spent, albeit from LS sale admittedly. Have they bought truly impressive players who will raise their new bar? It remains to be seen. In Spain, AM are far from being a medium sized Club too.

  127. Patrick

    Sep 07, 2014, 11:50 #56836

    Really? 'Wisest words'? A'phenomenon?' The thought that some people might want change for changes sake is perfectly logical, surely people fall into one of four groups- 1 people who want change for the sake of it; 2 people who want change because they have thought about a situation and think change would improve it; 3 people who have thought about a situation and do not feel change is necessary; 4 people who do not want change because they fear change. To suggest that anyone who wants a change at arsenal falls into the extreme number 1 camp would be wrong as it would be to think that anyone who wants Wenger to keep the status quo is scared of change, and falls in a rigid way of thinking, petrified ofo progress. It's not correct or fair to keep brandishing those who want change as narrow minded. Change is what has often made things progress. I don't want Wenger kicked out. I think he has been fantastic. But also think there are massive issues with the playing personnel and that this has not changed in years. These emails with apparent cleverness and apparent political insights are odd.

  128. Hiccup

    Sep 07, 2014, 11:45 #56835

    Side splitting stuff Badarse. I'm sure Jamie and GBP will be pleased with that.

  129. BADARSE

    Sep 07, 2014, 11:35 #56834

    It is with regret that I must announce the cessation of the Online Gooner Virtual Cookery Class, 'Cook, Cooker, Cookiest.' The attendees have shown an alarming disrespect in recent weeks, the barracking of our very own 'Delia', in the shape of julesd, was particularly unnecessary. I appreciate that 'Hedgehog Kebabs'-'They come with their own skewers', wasn't a common dish but that's the idea of the class. To push the boundaries. The attendees standing forlornly in an inward-looking group at the back of the room, in the dark gloomy corner muttering, 'Burger. Burger. AMG. Shake. Burger. Mickey D's. WOB. Fries. Burger. Coke. Burger.' Gives no encouragement to the chef of the day. There have been mishaps along the way of course. During the egg evening, 'Eggsperience', AMG falling in the sink in trying to 'tap dance', jeff wright dislocating his jaw in trying to lick egg off his face, MARCUS shouting at his soft boiled egg because it came out hard, maguiresbridge being plain daft by wearing his omelette as a hat, Hiccup purposely hiccupping incessantly, and Patrick getting everything back to front and trying to dip his egg into soldiers at Aldershot Barracks, for which he spent a night in custody. We shall endeavour to bring the class back in late Autumn, if there is enough support shown. Bon appetit, my little sausage rolls.

  130. jeff wright

    Sep 07, 2014, 11:25 #56833

    Jamie and lee kfc the masters of mythical maths ...averages are for ****ing cricket players not football managers... and 8 consecutive first place or second ones down to 10 , 3rd or 4th , more 4th's with two consecutive recently... means that Wenger has taken the side down and averages are just another excuse to try and explain this away. Liverpool and Athletico blew the financial doping success claims away last season and other have won trophies also on a lot less a financial footing than Wenger .. in fact according to that theory Wenger should not have won the FAC last season ! But like drowning men clutching desperately at straws dear Jamie tries using it yet again and if it's not outright lies such as we have the best defense then and dodgy stats and the old financial doping will suffice... next thing he will be on about Platini's FFP helping out Arsene. Actually without all that dodgy Arab oil dosh that Wenger and Stan have taken from Poundlands over the years showing profits would have been a lot harder,but hey again why let facts get in the way of a good story. Just try answering the question lee KFC if you dare... what is your prediction for our finishing place in the Prem this season... simple enough s it 1st,2nd,3rd,4th,or OUTSIDE THE TOP 4 ..???? GPB, That Badarse description of how he sees me was how he sees all non AKB's ... now if I were a fully paid up member of the club then he would have seen me as being charming intelligent and witty - just like you are !

  131. Hiccup

    Sep 07, 2014, 11:14 #56832

    Yes Jamie. I can't argue against that point. Like I said, if our benchmark is against Spurs, then yes, a grand job. Yes Badarse, please help Jamie out with one of your hilarious sketches.

  132. BADARSE

    Sep 07, 2014, 11:07 #56831

    The wisest words of the day GBP. Observationally correct. This particular phenomenon embraces everything people do and say. In days gone by proverbs and adages helped guide the uneducated or ill-informed, that has vanished from today's exchanges amongst people so often a narrow view remains more than ever just that, a narrow view. I was schooled to challenge everything, including myself, from an early age. Once the door is opened to a form of understanding it cannot be unlearned, though it can on occasions be overlooked, or misinterpreted. For want of an exercise in this, my own potted history of one topic is offered. I was strongly opposed to the 'Common Market' in the early 70's. I marched, demonstrated, attended meetings-one featuring the wonderful Manny Shinwell. I argued that we would suffer a loss of identity and settle for a uniformity which would be bland, with a capital 'B', also a number of other aspects which I wanted to reject. It was a superficial platform, though valid enough at the time, especially as we have witnessed an ever increasing 'sameness', in society. In later years I recognised, the need for consolidation, joining, unifying and changed my stance. I am very pro-Europe today. I believe in it-that's mainly because I know it's there.

  133. GBP

    Sep 07, 2014, 10:57 #56830

    Jamie - dont encourage him! I'm still sniggering at Badarses description of how he perceived a ranting Jeff the other day.Not sure if you read it? Classic. So funny!.

  134. JAMIE

    Sep 07, 2014, 10:54 #56829

    What about when we spent far less than the sours yet won the league without losing a game and they limped home in fourteenth,even before we had more money to spend Wenger was still miles ahead...I think it must be time for one of BADARSE's interesting bbq/panto sketches featuring the hapless wob's as the main players.

  135. BADARSE

    Sep 07, 2014, 10:41 #56828

    Hiccup, for the weight of your point to be worthy, re: Everton/Sours spend, it has to be balanced. Why not also mention we rank as fifth using these figures as a measure, yet never finish below fourth. Arrgghh! That dreaded word 'fourth', the Dark Moanies are screaming, yanking their hair, pulling the heads off dandelions and trying to blow the seeds through gritted teeth. You gentlefolk must chill a little, so with me, 'Picture yourself in a boat on a river, with tangerine trees and marmalade skies...'

  136. GBP

    Sep 07, 2014, 10:41 #56827

    You're wasting your time Jamie. There's an old adage. There are none so blind as they who don't ant to see.Placing this lot into a room with AW would be an interesting exercise if only to see Wenger dismantling them as if pulling legs off a spider. The whole lot would likely be struck dumb if they ever knew the truth, though i suspect many wouldn't want to recognize it. There is an irrational strand amongst people who when faced with any stable entity or situation worthy of continued longevity that that prompts them to seek change for change's sake disregarding whether there's any merit in it. It only takes one or two to float the notion and the rest follow slavishly. The trend reaches a plateau eventually as those less able to think tire of the 'idea'. They then privately hear a few nuggets of reason but by then they have a loyalty to the idea and a loyalty to other people who they suckled for peer comradeship when the idea was hatched. A questioning mentality then then takes over but it becomes subsumed by false pride (they cant turn back from a well set path) and the loyalty to the idea stops a reversing of the original irrational impetus that hatched the idea in the first place. it then needs further justification so they build onto it layers and layers of other largely tangential notions to give new shoots of 'reason' and so on and on and on. Its a never ending cyclical process from which they cant dismount. Many want to, but to do so is hedged with the fear of being seen as weak rather than embracing the strength and relief and in many cases respect which a reversal of position would afford them. These on here hounding Wenger without a thought for a sound reason should be pitied not pilloried. This phenomena is so common in politics at any level, Committees and administrative groups. The few with the courage to revise their positions later become sullied as fickle and castigated as unreliable for changing course, yet its the majority bone headed ones who are really of that ilk. Theyre safe in their numbers though. There are a few on here i suspect who are ripe for changing their expressed opinions but that caustic false pride they're enveloped in i mentioned wont let them.

  137. Hiccup

    Sep 07, 2014, 10:15 #56826

    Ah, Jamie's back on to money doping. So using Westie's figures of squad values (for the purpose of the exercise lets assume they are correct, as recently he has been a bit off the mark), are we not at a significant financial advantage to Everton and Spurs? After all, it is these teams we keep finishing above which wenger is praised for. And you think that's pulling trees up?

  138. Westlower

    Sep 07, 2014, 9:19 #56825

    Cost of PL squads for 2014/15: Man U £379.4m; Man City £353.7m; CFC £301.3m; Liverpool £253.8m; AFC £242.7m; Sours £178m: Everton £95.7m; Southampton £90.4m. The 'love him or hate him' debate about Wenger is largely irrelevant because the same people putting him down will simply target the next Arsenal manager in exactly the same way. Every manager has weakness's & the Dark Moanies will highlight the next guys issues & start thrusting their sharpened knives into his back at the first opportunity. It's the way they 'support' their beloved club; toys thrown from the pram at the first set back! Conversely, the same people who support AW will be on here defending the new guy because he's Arsenal's manager, shortcomings and all. Instead of WOB'S & AKB's it'll be KOB's & KKB's, Klopp Out Brigade & Klopp Knows Best. Substitute whichever initial takes your fancy.Personally I hoping hoping for a G, for the appropriately named GOB's.

  139. JAMIE

    Sep 07, 2014, 9:05 #56824

    Arsenal's average league finishes has only really gone down because of the two money doping clubs the AMG's hate so much to criticise.Still an average league finish of 1.75 in his first 8 years and 3.4 in his second 9 is still acceptable and surely not worthy of being sacked for,and at worst is going from awesome to excellent.The sours on the other hand have gone from being poor to average.Tell me Jeff Wright and grandson Marcus, uncle DW Thomas and hiccup the dog.Which other teams have never failed to finish in the top 4 over the past 18 years?Which other teams have played with panache and have excited and won with flair as we have?Which other team has built a state of the art stadium without relying on handouts and crooked ventures?Which other team managed to win titles through spending less than it brought in? Wob's don't really have any answer.

  140. GBP

    Sep 07, 2014, 8:28 #56823

    Good day chaps. Mathew. About right. May i add that to denigrate a player who played for Real Madrid, is a current Germany international and has been identified as good for Arsenal FC is beyond comprehension and reason. Hes not had that many games and maybe is still to find his true role but find it he will and the detractors will realize his worth before long. Seems to be a sensitive lad who needs backing not bashing!

  141. Lee afc

    Sep 07, 2014, 8:18 #56822

    So, good morning men, children and Jeff. Here is your maths lesson for today. Mr wengers average league position over his reign as arsenal manager is 2.5. For the hard of hearing that is hovering around second or third. The mighty spurs with umpteen managers over the same timescale manage a lofty 8th position on average. Now who is more midtable mediocrity?? Your team or mine Jeff?? Thankyou children.

  142. BADARSE

    Sep 07, 2014, 8:07 #56821

    Mathew, explanation in a nutshell.

  143. Mathew

    Sep 07, 2014, 7:50 #56820

    Ozil isn't that bad as it sounds here, although i agree with the tracking back thing. He isn't that physical and he is still not acclimatized with EPL. He played in a league with more of technical players, than physical and quick Premier League. Most of the Arsenal players aren't that heavy built, hence he can be excused there too. He is worth every penny spend, so dropping him wont do justice for our money.COYG

  144. BADARSE

    Sep 07, 2014, 7:48 #56819

    Good morning all. These posts are funny. jeff wright always trusted to come rushing out to centre stage in a straitjacket, with flailing points of view. A team which finished third on his first part season 1997, and shaded into fourth in his last 2014, with first to fourth in every intervening year over nearly two decades is not descending into mediocrity. Admit it jeff it was a literary faux pas, nothing more. Of course it did reveal your desire for that mediocrity. How you must have wished you could have typed a few seventh's and eleventh's in amongst that list Lee afc kindly reproduced. Hiccup that was funny too. You carry on JAMIE, ha ha. Good morning to the new chilled DWT-oh, look out, the sun is going down!

  145. Lee afc

    Sep 07, 2014, 7:25 #56818

    Jeff right...i've got it now..you secretly want to be an arsenal fan but you post like a spud that you are. Your comment on Mr wenger taking us into mid table mediocrity is more aligned to your team down at the lane. Your teams stats are 14,11,10,12,9,10,14,9,5,5,11,8,4,5,4,5 & 6. Jeff and his grandson Marcus are wannabe gooners but cant escape from the mediocrity of T.H.F.C.

  146. Hiccup

    Sep 07, 2014, 5:51 #56817

    Jamie/Pete. Awesome post. Your master badarse has set the bar high with his intellect and you have just smashed it to a new level. It's got me reminiscing to when I was 7 years old. I particularly like the way the words rhyme at the end of every sentence, then when you get to the punch line it's totally out of synch. Congratulations too, looks like you've gone 24 hours without contradicting yourself once! "To buy a new striker, wenger would be a fool. Oh look, he has, that makes me a contradicting tool". Nah, I'll leave the intellectual stuff to you guys.

  147. JAMIE

    Sep 06, 2014, 23:15 #56816

    Poor MARCUS was a WOB who couldn’t quack, he lost his voice and never got it back, one morning when he woke and tried to talk, it came out in a funny whispered squawk. The AKB's would laugh when he came near, he’d wheeze hello, but none of them would hear, they cruelly called him names like “Broken Beak” so poor old MARCUS decided not to speak. Believing that his vocal chords were junk, he took a vow of silence like a monk, he’d smile and nod to every other WOB, he really is a poor pathetic sod.

  148. jeff wright

    Sep 06, 2014, 22:48 #56815

    Oh it's lee kfc aka TH14 kfc well would you adam and eve it...! so first 2 places always for Wenger's first 8 years and 3rd,or mainly 4th as in the last 2 season for the remainder... well according to logical mathematics bird brain that suggests a slow decline downwards with no indication of an upturn to previous heights. Other than in lee kfc world that is where Sky news stories claiming that Danny Welbeck is joining Arsenal are rubbish and real supporters get behind the players such as Sanago that we already have, you couldn't make it up. Anyway little chicken brain why not give us your prediction on where we will finish in the league this season, not that this matters of course because if you are wrong then you will just disappear again ,do us all a favour and do it now because you are an embarrassment . Au revoir.

  149. DW Thomas

    Sep 06, 2014, 22:40 #56814

    Baddie, save some space on the BBQ program for lee to show us all how to do the head up his own arse thing! Hear it only takesa few minutes but AKBs its an hour or two...you know, such big heads.

  150. Lee afc

    Sep 06, 2014, 22:28 #56813

    Jeff right...."he is steadily taking us down into mid table mediocrity"...... In the seventeen years of Mr wengers reign the stats are.....league positions 3,1,2,2,2,1,2,1,2,4,4,3,4,3,4,3,4..on my reckoning he wil have to be manager for the next 25 years till your assumptions take effect. Please Jeff...make my day and disappear up your own backside.

  151. BADARSE

    Sep 06, 2014, 20:39 #56812

    Sweet posts, that's better DWT, you made me smile, then laugh; jeff you made me howl with laughter. No matter what, I am so happy to read your skirmishes with yourself, it is a joy. Patrick, chill man, enjoy the day. If my nutty posts are an irrelevance to you then be stronger, make them so. I have a chair with your name on for the BBQ, it is at the bottom of the garden facing the neighbours fence, but I promise I shall bring you the most satisfying chilled Guinness, with a large cannon drawn on the head of it, with your name on the glass, and under it AFC. GBP, sterling stuff old buddy, I never tire of reading your words. They are the same words as jeff's but just in a different order-so there is hope, but it's a bit like a roomful of monkey's typing and eventually producing the works of Shakespeare. Oh well one can dream. Shhh, whisper it quietly, but where is MARCUS? Has he been banned? I have his new leotard ready for the Xmas Panto, so I hope not. Good old Arsenal.

  152. DW Thomas

    Sep 06, 2014, 19:40 #56811

    All I know, is that I love you so, so much that it hurts...oh yeah yeah yeaaaaahh! When I get to London, rent my flat for 2-3 months in the spring, I will find you guys at the Emirates vs one of our nemesis. We'll all sing praises of Arsenal together as weckick their bootays 6-0!!! A man can dream can't he! I'd prefer it be Chelsea, 25th of April!! Baddie with his cuppa, GBP his scarf flying, Jeff W jumping on Westies back as they win hundreds off their bet! Then Magsbridge, Ron, Joe Fitz, Fozzy and his mate, Hiccup, et al. screaming with pure joy! Oh what glorius days await!!

  153. jeff wright

    Sep 06, 2014, 19:30 #56810

    Oh dear,old Baddie was upset by my little Hun and Argies jibes the other night,he is still mumbling incoherently about them . I will wager that he doesn't like the use of Poms and Jocks ,Yanks and Aussies , Kiwis'and All Blacks and certainly not Dinosaurs ! He really needs to lighten up a bit and stop fretting over Arsene not being worshiped by everyone . Having already conceded that Wenger will not win the Prem or European Cup this season, after just 3 games played, I'm actually struggling to understand why he bothers watching football with such a pessimistic lame attitude. He also admits to not having any thoughts on whom Wenger should or should not buy in transfer windows and mocks with disdain anyone else who has the temerity to question his master on this. Then advising the fools that it's best to just see what happens and then to go loco over Wenger's brilliant signing .With so little interest in football there must be other reasons for Baddies posting so incessantly about it . I can only surmise that it must be so he can use this platform to moralize against others while preaching his sermons from the pulpit at Ivory Towers.

  154. DW Thomas

    Sep 06, 2014, 19:23 #56809

    CBP now? Is it you the web admin is trying to ban? Be a shame to miss any of your posts. I laugh too loudly when I read them! Seriously pants pissing kind! You just can't resist any chance to scoff at others and let us all know when we have angered your supreme being ness! Why don't you start your own site? Then you can simply allow only those you want to post in ass kissing style who adhere to your views! You could call it Online Goober! Or maybe GBP's Arsene Emporium of Handbrakes and Mental Strength! Sure your superior mind can come up with better names, so I'll stop,trying! Although, most likely, after awhile you'll probably find only yourself writing articles with comments by none other than the author! You could even have a video section and podcasts of you, Baddie, Westie, Jamie, and all the others dancing at your BBQ slapping each other with basting brushes and singing God Save Arsene! Now that I think of it, Jamie would want his own corner, Jamie's Jiggly Bits where he can sing his unique praises of AW and Baddie a section on top BBQ recipes. A betting link for Westie giving odds on everything from guessing how big your brains are to what decade the next trophy under Arsene will arrive! Oops! There I go again! Sucked back into the s..t ditch! Just when I think I am out, they pull me back in...

  155. GBP

    Sep 06, 2014, 19:21 #56808

    DW - Much respect. 60075. We do indeed all follow a wonderful Club but so many have lost a bit of vision about that, but you know what, if we were all sitting together when the ball hit an opponents net, i d lay odds on we d all hug each other like big silly kids. I d just hope we wouldn't knock Badarses pipe from between his teeth and Jeffs specs off his face as we all leapt at each other in a melee!!

  156. Patrick

    Sep 06, 2014, 19:19 #56807

    Is this a football forum, or a forum for a frustrated individual to spout utter cobblers in the guise of intelligent ironic comments, and, indeed my favourite, song lyrics (oh how funny and witty this is). You seem to be under the strange, self important impression that you are a figure of importance. Stick to football related observations. Stop starting posts with poor attempts at humorous greetings. Please.

  157. GBP

    Sep 06, 2014, 19:07 #56806

    You know Jeff i cant honestly say, hand on heart that ive ever seen one post on here from anybody declaring that 'disaster will befall the Club' if Wenger left. Lots of words to the effect of , lets value what we ve got and it could possibly be no better thereafter. I grant you that. Yes. I do think we re lucky to have him and all of the belligerence, tub thumping and personal attacks and vitriol on here that a few of us take daily for backing the Clubs decision to keep him on wont alter that one tiny jot. A cogent, persuasive, well constructed and reasoned argument to sack AW would though. The problem is, ive never seen one on here either. All i see amongst those of you who knife the boss each day is a perverse mentality akin to sheep seeking comfort from each other and respite from the cold in a harsh Brecon Beacon tundra. DW Thomas and Co leading the choral baaaaa concerto. With all due respect to you though Jeffrey you never do get overly personal and its great fun when you're on a roll whether i agree with you or not, which in the grander scheme of things doesn't matter one bit. COYG!!

  158. RDT - 4

    Sep 06, 2014, 19:05 #56805

    It was a serious question Badarse. How would you like it if you were one of the world's best footballers, with the chance of becoming an all-time great of the game etc, when it's suddenly snatched away, just because of petty politics at the club you've signed for?

  159. DW Thomas

    Sep 06, 2014, 18:59 #56804

    Baddie, methinks ye need a rest, badly. Too infrequently your posts are serious, just weird rumblings and veiled put downs of anyone outside your narrow views. I do like your serious comments, though I often am completely the other end. Forme, I want change and feel limited by what I can do, especially overseas here. Were I living in London, you can bet your Badarse that I would attend games on a season ticket and see as many away matches as possible! I had a grand old morning watching my older sons first actual football game. He's not the best, yet, and is distracted by everything from his water bottle to butterflies, but I loved it, absolutely, unequivocally! No one cared about the score, positions were not kept, but the boys all enjoyed it! My curiosity caused me to ask the score. 3-3. Anyway, we are all more than our posts make us out to be, even you Baddie or GBP. I love to argue/debate about anything. Especially those things I have some knowledge of and are dear to me. Kevin's summaries of the matches are a joy to read and my knowledge and love for the club have only increased by my participation on here. It's more disappointing lately watching the team, although I occasionally get that hope again. Hope that things will be better, different. I do agree, we have a pretty outstanding club to root for. Wenger is not a bad guy, although he is at the least very mischievous! Our history is second to none, not just counting trophies. Still, I think we can and should be so much more. Not by riches, but better decisions. I am not a follower of Arsene, but Arsenal. I can appreciate his past, yet still be critical of the present. So, when you Westie, GBP, or any other defenders of all things Arsene feel that need to try and belittle others with opposing views, remember, opinions are just that. Opinions. Not facts. I know you will all continue until maybe one day a beam of enlightenment causes some understanding in you previously unreachable due to a grossly over inflated sense of self. And then we can have a break from the creative writing you do on here and some more serious discussions again about real subjects.

  160. CBP

    Sep 06, 2014, 18:45 #56803

    DW - Oh dear. The old adage says that when you're in a hole stop digging. If you really want to question your own intelligence and literary skills, please do go ahead. I wont partake, but i do tend to scrutinize bluster dressed up as debate or argument. On this latter issue you do indeed excel believe me. Calm down, its just football but if it causes you the pain that i perceive it does within you, try something else. A few things more. The weather is always crystal clear for me come hail rain or shine and did Peter Weir play for Everton at one time? Cheer up. Life s not a rehearsal and it doesn't cost a penny to smile. If you ever feel you're out of your depth seek shallower waters or borrow a life vest off Jeff.

  161. BADARSE

    Sep 06, 2014, 18:27 #56802

    RDT-4, It looks like I am minding the shop at the moment, so here is a thought from yours truly. I cannot prove or disprove this, but when it comes to character assassination the rule book is torn up-we never let facts get in the way of a little bit of licentiousness. I think Arsene is responsible for the recent rise in smallpox. He brings in players, then sends them out on loan to all points of the compass. I think he endangers us all by allowing these players to contaminate us through the TV screens when we watch them. He looks scurrilous, so therefore must be. His accent suggests a devious personality, and I bet he picks his nose. To destroy Ozil's career is quite likely, in fact the more I think of it, and the more I talk of it, then the more likely it becomes. He shouldn't be trusted, you have been warned.

  162. RDT - 4

    Sep 06, 2014, 18:12 #56801

    Going back to Ozil and something has really been troubling me since I read the article yesterday. I truly hope someone can set my mind at rest. The last marquee player Arsenal signed for big money was Arshavin, a proven number 10. It was considered an un-wengerlike signing at the time. He proved to be a failure at Arsenal as was often played out of position. A horrible thought struck me. Did Wenger do this just to prove big-money signings don't work and his policy of putting faith in low-cost/unproven young players is the correct one? Is he now doing the same with Ozil? Would he go as far as wrecking the career of an immensely gifted player just to prove a point? Forget incompetence, that is downright evil. Please, please someone tell me he wouldn't do that!

  163. BADARSE

    Sep 06, 2014, 18:01 #56800

    STOP PRESS: maguiresbridge and DWT have announced that they have rehearsed an act for the Online Gooner Virtual Xmas Panto. We are very pleased to hear this, and shall add it to the programme-they shall be performing a duet as Widow Twankey and her son Wishy Washy, singing, 'There's a Hole in my Bucket!' jeff wright will produce and sell, 'Chinky' hats, to raise funds for the Xenophobia Awareness society.

  164. BADARSE

    Sep 06, 2014, 17:37 #56799

    Got a cuppa before responding Jeffrey. We learn from you, not necessarily anything positive but we learn all the same. Why I have learnt over the months that you don't like anything to do with football very much. I am not being judgemental, it is your prerogative, but it does cause a conundrum to my logical, (but deluded), way of thinking. Why would a person constantly watch and comment upon something he doesn't really like. It was a syndrome identified in one who no longer posts. Modern football is poor. Today's players are just mercenary and effeminate. Our style of play is out-dated and wrong, players are played in the wrong positions, or they too are incompetent. The clubs are corrupt. The fans plastic, except some, 'salt of the earth' types in the North of England. Virtually all managers are dinosaurs or old 'busted flushes', even the good ones are poor human beings. The media especially Sky is irrelevant. Pundits know nothing. The kits are too expensive and badly styled. Injured players are malingerers, and get no sympathy from you when they do get injured. The old players are still the best, as are the old stadia, and old managers-but not the old supporters. Officials are useless, all competitions are questionable except the nostalgic FA Cup, which we should lay down our lives for. Too many 'Johnny foreigners', who are all individually carrying a share of the blame for the outright failings of the English national side. The fixtures are all to cock, and rigged. Sensationalism reigns supreme, and all those people who don't bang a drum for change-only the changes for those things you want changing, not for the just and equitable changes which should be happening in our society are AKB's, or BBC's or some other silly classification. If a country get to the WC finals they don't really deserve it and haven't a chance, despite others thinking the opposite. When they eventually win the cup it's by default according to you. The player who didn't play in the final itself is a pretender and shouldn't have a medal, the lad who came on for a cameo part also didn't deserve one, and the third Arsenal man who played in most of the games played poorly and didn't earn one. Anything else? Well our medics are rubbish, the food is too, the admission is too steep to watch the lads, all the board should be taken out at dawn and shot. The coaching staff are all sycophants. Finally winning the FA Cup by coming from two goals down, and leading the league for large swathes of the season, finishing just seven points adrift of a mega-rich competitor, and as it happened seven points from a 'Double', wasn't worthy of note. Everything is a diabolical plot to ensure you never smile, and guess what? It worked! Oh, and for jeff wright perm any number of alternative monikers. Good old Arsenal.

  165. jeff wright

    Sep 06, 2014, 16:42 #56798

    GPD, I myself smile at your own and others claims that it's just AFC that they support and then go into an eulogy about Wenger and how lucky we are to have him and how disasters will occur for us if he leaves. For me he should have gone last season after the FAC win over Hull .He is steadily taking us down into mid-table mediocrity ,it's a bit like death by a thousand cuts,slow,rather than with a posse of the horsemen of the apocalypse charging at us to deliver a quick end. Wenger can't afford to lose to City ,even this early in the game their own defeat at home to Old Sparky's Stoke and ourown poor result at Leicester have added pressure on for both managers and teams ,a draw will not be looked on as being a good result now by either. For Wenger if he loses then just 5 points from 12 is not good enough really and it will not do much for the confidence of our players and supporters with some tough away games to follow.As I said before though the game could be coming at an opportune time for us following on the boring International malarkey, we will have to see if Wenger can out fox Pell ,who in my view is another old dinosaur himself with his tactics ,the match should be played at Jurassic Park!

  166. Yazza

    Sep 06, 2014, 14:56 #56797

    This is complete bs, ozil is not even a winger, once walcott is back this will be front 3, sanchez, welbeck, walcott and ozil will be operating behind them

  167. Nozzer

    Sep 06, 2014, 14:13 #56796

    The blame lies with the manager. What is the point of playing Ozil wide left, we scouted him as a number 10. it was the same with rshavin he was never played as a number ten. On the same subject we always play Podolski out wide when he was one of the top goal scorers in Germany playing down the middle. What about playing a diamond in midfield with Ozil at the point with two up front. It has worked for City and Liverpool. Ozil as a number 10 will exploit the runs made by Ramsey, Sanchez and Welbeck if Wenger sees sense.

  168. BADARSE

    Sep 06, 2014, 13:41 #56795

    So the indomitable group set forth, astride their trusty steeds, except BADARSE who sat side-saddle due to a swollen ego. The horses were supplied by 'westlower & Partners, Purveyor of horseflesh, and Trading Specialists to The Crown, The Mulberry Bush, The Falstaff Tavern, and of late the prepared pie products of Tescos. 'We shall seek and find Excalibur, or some other pointy thing to stick people with.' A bold claim but a group who would see it through, as they were deluded. They trotted on and then came to a group standing in a clearing. 'Hello good sirs we seek a sharp, slashy thing called Excalibur which is in yonder direction through this wood. Who are you?' 'We are the Knights who say AMG!' In chorus the knights said, 'AMG! AMG! AMG!' The indomitable group covered their ears, and pleaded with them to stop. The knights were a horrid little mob, and they leant towards each member of the group shouting, 'AMG!' The main knight said they may pass if they produced a token, so off they went in search of a token, to allow them to go off to search for something else. They found it and returned. 'Knights who say, AMG, we have the token, may we pass in search of our cutty thing?' The knights still barred their way, 'We are no longer the knights who say AMG!' The group asked who they now were. 'We are the knights who say, 'WOB!', 'AMG!' shouted a rogue knight. 'WOB!' shouted the others. The group were mystified, and asked, 'Please knights who used to say AMG, and now say WOB, let us pass.' But the knights just stood there saying 'WOB!' So slowly, without fuss the bold group trotted past, and rode on. Behind they heard those distant cries of, 'WOB!', 'WOB!', 'WOB!', as the knights shouted at each other, and the random knight who still shouted, 'AMG!'

  169. DW Thomas

    Sep 06, 2014, 13:11 #56794

    My apologies GBP. I forgot you are the genius of not only all things Arsenal, but history, politics, psychology, etc. Good choice in Gallipoli, a favorite of Peter Weir's movies for me too. Although I see it the other way, the Raibow Peddlers do like to rewrite history don't you? Then again when you are as intelligent and well spoken as you or Badarse, it must be tough to find someone of your brain power to coverse with. I get it, we're all just idiots for having a different opinion. Do you ever leave your home? I would think you'd be appalled just stepping out your door on a rainy day to see the weather is not forever crystal clear. Even for you my veins stay calm, yet your snide little jabs make a good attempt at a wrangle! Demented swordsman, I liked that one JW. Check out an old samurai flick, Sword of Doom. The final scene sums up Baddie and GBPs keyboard kings mentality, chopping away at any fact they find out of line with their biased views. As soon as they read our posts they cannot wait to retort with gibberish involving BBQs or rewritten history lessons! I'd rather discuss Arsenal, and Ozil's ability. It seems a common theme to many of us that Wenger has overplayed and ruined some very good players. Will that happen to him? Can Jack come back? Are you capable of answering and discussing without personal insults? Or is the temptation to make yourselves feel important and witty too delicious? I do agree with Baddie, be patient win Ozil. It's Arsene I have no time for. His tactics and lack of a top striker, we'll see on DW, proves more punishing to our players than injuries, physical league, etc. Class understands class.

  170. jeff wright

    Sep 06, 2014, 12:33 #56793

    Badarse what you are saying is you just go along with whatever Arsene does,or has appeared to do, and then it's all honky-dory for you . You don't actually have any of your own views on who it may be be a good thing for us to sign in a transfer window,but just sit happy as Larry on your usually, on here , busy little paws that pound incessantly away on your keyboard, awaiting the outcome of events. Normally though you are like a demented swordsman fending off criticisms aimed at Arsene and launching attacks on those who dare to make them usually by posting insulting comments at these posters with the insults dressed up in a plethora of attempted humorous ambiguity that is mainly intended to support Arsene's position on things, and always contains a sermon of some sort ,that the dark moonies should heed. So no real ambition from you there then from what I can see of it Baddie . No doubt lee KFC and others, who were pleased when it was announced that the Sky claims regarding Welbeck not having had a med and that no offer for him had been been mad were untrue will also be supporting him now that he is in an AFC shirt . Or when he scores a goal.I actually predicted that just after it was announced that he was now an Arsenal player by Alan Smith on Sky,you know that station that gets all our signings wrong. It was hardly rocket science, somethings are just so predictable.

  171. Website Admin

    Sep 06, 2014, 12:23 #56792

    People still trolling under different names I'm afraid. Have removed the offending comments. Any repeat and the individual will be banned.

  172. GBP

    Sep 06, 2014, 12:19 #56791

    Jeff - i always have to smile at you and those of your view who constantly trot out this tired old cliché that those of us who back the Manager remaining in place are more 'his' supporters than those of the Club.Do you really and truly think that? To be truthful i interpret it as being just another hollow, weak and redundant slight on Wenger, framed and repeatedly regurgitated on here to try and make yourselves feel better about yourselves while you all pursue a hopeless argument for changing the Coach. Having said this,the crowd of you must be congratulated on throwing yourselves at your chosen task like true crusaders, howling your disdain and shaking your fists, but really the lot of you resemble the assault on Gallipolli. If your history is slightly rusty please permit me to say respectfully that as then, the lot of you now are beaten before you start. The analogy holds water further in that your 'Generals' on here that you're all following are such luminaries as Marcus, DW Thomas Maguiresbridge and Co. That little lot make them in 1915 look informed intelligent and competent. This site is your lots Dardanelles chap. Every day, youre being blasted out of the water remorselessly and your vessels are all sunk or sinking!

  173. BADARSE

    Sep 06, 2014, 11:53 #56790

    So jeff wright and maguiresbridge, that's how it works, is it? To someone like me, who stays sensibly outside the clamour and media-driven transfer circus it was a non-event, until it became an event. I was prepared for no additions, that is a characteristic of growing maturity; displaying an awareness of how the world turns-experience. It is also a safe guard against an anticipation of future disappointments. This period is a passage through life, nothing more. We bought a pretty good player, who is potentially a boon awaiting to happen. I am pleased and will support a man in my club colours. Nothing so noble, profound or outrageously bizarre or wrong in that. Yet to those who see the world through the prism and distortion of looking at life from the inside of a soap bubble it must appear peculiar.

  174. BADARSE

    Sep 06, 2014, 11:23 #56789

    Evening Athoz, yes there is an argument-a good one that Mesut was a mistake by not complimenting our existing players, our overall style of play, his position played, the ruggedness of the PL and the work rate demanded in it. It was a bold gamble, as every transfer is, both releasing and purchasing. Far too soon to be destructive, and if he achieves 70% of what was initially anticipated it may be argued it was worthwhile. With new personnel around him, giving a better, speedier option for his passes-which are sublime, a different(?) attitude now that we are 'winners', Theo ready to return shortly, who's career may go up a level due to Mesut's presence I am happy to be patient. Of course this approach is old-fashioned, deluded, and just plain wrong. At least according to those who want their ice cream before they eat their greens. Curly Kale to you Kilkenny cat.

  175. jeff wright

    Sep 06, 2014, 11:14 #56788

    MG , I certainly did not recognize any of the mob shown on TV live by Sky,they looked and sound pleased though when the announcement was made ,but obviously not that bright a gang because the blurb released by Dick and co did not actually say that we were not trying to sign Danny boy . Worrying though that they ,along with some on here, were happy for Wenger not to sign anyone and for him to stick with the postman up front. No wonder Ozil looks like he would rather be elsewhere,he has realized he was stitched up by Senor Perez and Ancelotti when they got him to agree to joining Wenger .With the world cup looming he had little choice with no one else wanting him. . Obviously the ambitions of those supporters who cheered when it was said that no medical or offer had been made for Welbeck are not very high and are more about getting behind Arsene rather than supporting AFC. Sounds familiar though.

  176. Ozzie

    Sep 06, 2014, 10:06 #56787

    With the ball constantly travelling sideways-backwards-sideways-backwards it could be argued even Mr Average could have surpassed 9 assists. Personally, I believe the Gunners have made a costly mistake signing Mesut but must now persevere. It looks like blow football this weekend, then?

  177. GBP

    Sep 06, 2014, 8:22 #56786

    DW Thomas - you really must try harder. Its always the best sign of some one who knows they've lost the argument when they get personal, but feel free. Its water of a ducks back. Somehow i doubt that you ll ever be smart enough to chip away at any nerve i might have. Read back your post. I can almost see your neck craning like a turkey's, the steam coming out of your ears and the veins in your forehead. Carry on ranting chap. Its good to see. Keep posting your unsubstantiated barbs jibes and brickbats towards Wenger, me or whoever's view that you cant hack, but Arsene Wenger will still be a great Coach afterwards and you'll still be the fool without an argument or a case to sack him.

  178. Chris Nottingham

    Sep 06, 2014, 8:14 #56785

    Wenger doesn't play him in his best position. He's a world class player at no 10. Problem is Wenger not Ozil. Jack wearing 10 is an joke, not fit to lace Ozil's boots. Still just a prospect

  179. Westlower

    Sep 06, 2014, 8:11 #56784

    Everybody's talking at me, can't hear a word their saying, only the echo's of Maguiresbridge....@Marcus When you run naked at the Emirates aren't you afraid we'll all see your pride & joy? Yes, I'm talking about your 'I LUV MAUREEN' tatty. In appreciation of DARK MOANIES: All you do, all you do, all you ever do is f***ing moan, all you ever do is moan!

  180. BADARSE

    Sep 06, 2014, 7:15 #56783

    They heard his boots and the jangle of his sours, as he stepped up onto the boardwalk. All eyes turned towards the batwing doors as he pushed them open and strode into the barroom, his sours scratching the new parquet flooring as he made his way into the centre of the room. His poncho was already thrown back nonchalantly over his gun hand's shoulder. He sized everyone up, his eyes appeared as narrow slits, in fact he was squinting. With his yellowed tongue he moved the now soggy, chewed and limp hanging cheroot. He was going to address the captive audience. Then in a Dale Winton voice said, 'The error is mine and should have read joint 6th.' That was enough for the restless lynching party, who had been waiting patiently in the dark shaded corner, leaning their hot fevered foreheads against the cool wall. They lurched slowly forward, at first catching the rope on a chair which it pulled over, making the man at the table spill his hot Bovril, he cursed and muttered, 'Dark Moonies!' under his breath. Then dropping the rope, one sneezed and broke the tension. At this he pirouetted, thrust arms out beside his body, fingers spread wide, tilted his head back-where held by the chin strap his hat fell off. Breaking into a falsetto, began singing, 'I will survive.' as he limboed out under the batwing doors.

  181. BADARSE

    Sep 06, 2014, 6:43 #56782

    Good morning my little dough balls, tasty but only with the right accompaniments-never to be eaten cold. I was with my wife in Southern California at a party. The people present were educated. A grown woman said, 'Mom, do you remember when the aliens were trying to take our little Devon away?', her mother replied in the positive. We smiled awaiting the punch line. Others joined in the conversation, and slowly the smiles, now frozen, dropped from our faces. They were serious! I had to speak out, knowing this exchange would become toxic-it did! A gentle but firm rejection saw a closing of ranks, and I was accused of being narrow-minded. My protestations fell on deaf ears, no reason, logic or rational argument would register on the closed minds, the evening was damaged. It was akin to a scene from 'Invasion of the Body-snatchers.' Ring any bells?

  182. Edmund

    Sep 06, 2014, 5:14 #56781

    I can't understand why people are so negative towards Ozil. Perhaps his image on their EA FIFA game looks really ugly. He is an intelligent player that other players around him like. He is not a defender so blaming him for defensive errors is like questioning the number of goals by Per Mertesacker. If Wenger plays him in central midfield he will start showing what he can do.

  183. DW Thomas

    Sep 06, 2014, 0:08 #56780

    Terry, again your narrow minded opinions really stereotype! An admitted WOB or AMG or whatever other label you give those of us that want change, I like Ozil, always have. He just needs a better man manager!

  184. maguiresbridge gooners

    Sep 06, 2014, 0:04 #56779

    BADARSE, very romantic but you didn't to tell us if he French kisses.

  185. DW Thomas

    Sep 05, 2014, 23:56 #56778

    Ozil is our most creative passer with the best vision. He should still defend better but Monsieur Knowz it All doesn't care and plays him out of position to the detriment of the team. Comparing Cantona to Ozil to put it nicely is nonsensical. Where do you get that? Ozil's gift is vision and a sublime touch. He doesn't like the physical, you can see that every time he plays, avoiding many tackles by passing back or sideways. If he could get more courage and strength, he would be nigh unstoppable. Saw the same thing in the WC. What he needs is to play in the correct position and have someone to feed that isn't a lumbering, slow, forward that's better at posting up than making runs behind. Welbeck might help, but Ox and Theo are the best we have for his skills to shine. His talent is rare, not many have it, but our manager, AGAIN, can't seem to get the best from him. Arshavin, Chamakh, Gervinho, et all. Still I am excited, did you hear that Baddie/GBP?, to see him with Samchez and Welbeck vs City. We better not get spanked again due to poor tactics and an ill prepared team!

  186. DW Thomas

    Sep 05, 2014, 23:32 #56777

    Wow GBP must have really hit one of your nerves on that last post! Just to respond, my definition of winning is not nor ever will be 4th place and CL spot. What good is that if you never have a chance to win it? I am not all about the spend spend spend. Your head must be thicker than the brick walls in my home as you never get our perspective which really isn't that difficult to understand. We want more. We think we can achieve it under different management. Simples. You have every right to think the opposite or be somewhere in between. But, I must say I find all of your posts written from an "I know it all about anything" perspective, kind of like Monsieur Unicorn! You seem an arrogant blowhard. Unable to listen closely enough to understand another viewpoint not totally in sync with your own. That is what we call in my neck of the world small minded. Critical thinking takes some thinking. Saying people can't support with or don't have facts doesn't make it so. That's a fact! We that want change, most of us, don't hate Wenger and do have some respect for him. BUT, we don't live and die by him as Arsenal fans. Far from it. We don't suckle at his teat. Can you get that? He is not omnipotent to us. Please try hard this time and actually read the comments. You might be enlightened a bit.

  187. maguiresbridge gooner

    Sep 05, 2014, 23:00 #56776

    post 60019, you really really couldn't make it up, it's not right laughing.

  188. maguiresbridge gooner

    Sep 05, 2014, 22:37 #56775

    jw, and you can imagine the cheers if it had been announced he WAS in talks with OGL, you didn't recognise any of them did you.

  189. BADARSE

    Sep 05, 2014, 21:46 #56773

    It was a winter's day, a short day. She'd appeared-just there. I looked, and drew a deep breath. I found myself watching her, appreciating her, her movements, as sometimes one can appreciate another human being. She spoke-ordinary words, from an ordinary mouth, but they visited my ears as a melodic tinkling. I saw her teeth, the tip of her tongue. Her animation enthralled me, and I was attracted. Her intelligence surpassed the ordinary. Time passed and she became my reason for waking, and for continuing. The time of no longer looking at the trees was drawing to a close. I had begun again. Little smiles, small nods and laughter-we were becoming linked, connected in an inexorable way. Then I touched her arm and felt enervated, this was real, and I was glad I was alive. After a while she kissed me. She kissed me, I didn't kiss her, though I kissed back. To this day it was the most magical kiss of my life. I was lost in a sea of upheaval. A moment of brilliance. It was a joy, unparalleled bliss. Just holding her hand was enough, though I was hungry for more, an insatiable appetite still exists, still lures me on. I had been teetering on the brink for a while, now I tumbled headlong, down deeper, and down some more, falling, spiralling ever deeper. I was in love. I remain there, in love. This is a true story gentlefolk. Good old Arsenal.

  190. Hiccup

    Sep 05, 2014, 21:32 #56772

    The bat-wing doors are flung open once again. He walks in with a grizzled countenance. He pushes his hat up, and the comedy figure of Paul Whitehouse is revealed. He hisses, 'I stand corrected once again, please take no notice of what I say.' He then turns on his heels, and walks straight in to the wall falling flat on his face. Harry Enfield runs in, picks him up, and they scuttle off back to AKB HQ. Tune in for more from the gang next week.

  191. BADARSE

    Sep 05, 2014, 21:23 #56771

    Liked that lilting prose. Tell me more whenever, and I'll tell you mine.

  192. maguiresbridge gooner

    Sep 05, 2014, 20:49 #56769

    Richie, if it were only that simple, but wait it is, well not for one old man who imagines he knows best.

  193. Westlower

    Sep 05, 2014, 20:37 #56768

    @Hiccup, My source is reliable as it's the PL 2013/14 Assists. The error is mine and should have read joint 6th with Gerrard 14, Suarez 13, Silva 10, Rooney 10, Lambert 10, Ozil 9, Toure 9, Eriksen 9. Ozil only played 25 games + 1 sub.

  194. Hiccup

    Sep 05, 2014, 19:16 #56764

    I see Jesse James and the outlaws are back on here strutting there stuff. It would help your point if Ozil was actually joint 5th top with assists last season, but he wasn't. I suggest Westie sticks to copy and pasting bookies odds which come from a reliable source. If you're going to make it up as you go along, at least put a disclaimer in.

  195. Hiccup

    Sep 05, 2014, 19:01 #56762

    Ozil is the problem? Firstly Gary, what problem? All is well at arsenal and has been for the last ten years. Any super fan will tell you that. If you're talking about the goals we ship in, then I guess anyone can look at any goal in isolation and pick blame. But I think for every goal he creates he is responsible for ten conceded is far fetched. That would mean he would be responsible for all 6 that both Chelsea and City put past us. Probably account for all 5 Liverpool banged past us. But like I said earlier, these thrashings aren't considered a problem, so let's not worry if they continue in to this season. This 'make it up as you go along' syndrome that Jamie has infected the site with does seem to be spreading.

  196. Jason

    Sep 05, 2014, 18:50 #56761

    Nonsense!!! The problem is Wenger. Wenger time and time again signs players who play in the same position and then in order to get them in the team plays them out of position. Ozil is not a wide player. Remember Ashavin playing in the no. 10 role for Russia, outstanding. What does Wenger do, puts him out wide, and ruins his Arsenal career. As far I can see our midfield three must be. Arteta or Flamini. Ramsey or Wilshere. Cazorla or Ozil. Both Cazorla and Ozil are anonymous out wide. Leave those positions to Chamberlain, Walcott, Sanchez and Podolski. Simple logic I say!!!!!

  197. maguiresbridge gooner

    Sep 05, 2014, 16:57 #56757

    Gary no doubt OGL will persevere, you have to be really bad to get dropped under him (if at all) so that makes OGL the problem.

  198. jeff wright

    Sep 05, 2014, 16:41 #56756

    Leaving aside Ozil's penalty miss against BM that proved costly and how many goals were conceded due to his poor defending by giving away the ball in dangerous areas, or not tracking back to help defend , the question is has he improved the current side and is this side and set of players as good as what is claimed by some. Not least by Wenger himself of course. The stats say no but as we know only too well on here the only ones that count are those that support the AKB theory that the team is improving under the old master of illusion Arsene. Wenger’s teams have never been top scorers in the Prem , none have never scored more than 87 goals in a season and that was the 04/05 season where they had an 18% conversion rate and lost the title to a Chelsea team. As with with the defense stats I can't see any improvement from this from this current Arsenal team. We finished last season with 68 goals – the lowest total goals haul in 4 years. We finished the season taking just 523 shots — the lowest in four years and part of a steady offensive decline 595 shots in 10/11, 585 in 11/12, 546 last year, and 523 this year. Meanwhile our CONVERSION RATE has flatlined from it's peak under Wenger of 18% to a lowly 13%. But,hey, why let facts stand in the way of a good story! Tippy Tappy tick tock needs ditching and the only way to achieve this is by changing the manager for one with more clued up ideas . Cheers

  199. GBP

    Sep 05, 2014, 16:34 #56755

    Badarse - You couldn't make up could you chap. Yawn! Bard - Ha. The site psychiatrist! Love it. Good week end lads.

  200. BADARSE

    Sep 05, 2014, 16:24 #56754

    As chairman of the Online Gooner Virtual BBQ, it is with regret that I announce that jeff wright sustained an injury to his leg at dance rehearsals yesterday evening. His 'Free expression', party piece will now not take place. He will attend for anyone who wishes to sign the plaster cast, or tickle his foot. I wasn't present and must rely on two eye witness's accounts that it was due to him, 'Tripping over his own foot, and injuring himself', and, 'The big clumsy oaf injured himself.' My main concern is his rehabilitation. It will be deep winter before he is able to return to the whimsy of his hot shoe shuffle. My concern is that the waterways may be iced over at this time which could be dangerous; I remember when he insisted on practising solo on his 'Riverdance' routine and fell in. Watch this space for updates. It is also an opportune time to explain that MARCUS's Xmas Panto slot has been cancelled. It shows on your programmes as 'MARCUS THE MASTER OF MIME!' Sadly, in coaching him I had to make the decision to pull the act, as he wouldn't stop yapping. I have not been idle since deciding this, and the position in proceedings will now be filled by DWT and maguiresbridge doing their wheelbarrow/yodelling routine.

  201. dobra

    Sep 05, 2014, 16:23 #56753

    Hey,cut him some slack...his role on the wing is a temporal one. Wenger is just tryna build his all round game bcos playing on the flanks as a midfielder gives him a clearer perception of the game. He can also build his strenght and stamina from playing in that position that is why he's been deployed there for now. Although he's cost us a little for now, you should have your mind on the greater good. I remember wenger doing the same with fabregas for some games before finally giving him a free role. It taught fabregas how to run into spaces and it improved his overall game the season b4 he left us. I know wenger is tryna bring out beautiful stuffs from Ozil that will compliment his 'pass sense'. Ozil is undergoing a transition right now and you all really got to be patient with him. I see him doing a lot of thinking on the pitch, wenger is jst tryna build his body to respond properly to his beautiful mind. There's no limit for a teachable person and ozil is that person.

  202. Bard

    Sep 05, 2014, 16:19 #56752

    Ozils style frustrates because she glides and his balance is so good. He needs to play further up and let the other teams worry about him. Hopefully now we have Welbeck we might see more of his incisive passing beyond defenders. My view is that there is a bit of a World Cup hangover, this might explain his less than top draw performances. Can we stop the alternative personality stuff, now we have two Jeff Wrights, I can barely cope with one. I've only just recovered from the Pete/Jamie split. It does my head in !!!!! Although I must say Jeff Wright mark 2 is more cheerful than mark 1. We need a site psychiatrist.

  203. jeff wright

    Sep 05, 2014, 16:12 #56751

    The deputy Sheriff standing at the bar spits a mouthful of phlegm into the spittoon and asks laconically: Hey what about the goals conceded by his poor defending? FDZ

  204. AMG

    Sep 05, 2014, 16:12 #56750

    Let's not make Ozil the scapegoat, it's hardly his fault that he's played out of position and he can only work with the players around him when it comes to creating. I think the solution is to give him a free role where we saw the best of him last year and to change the formation to suit. You should build a team around players like Ozil, not stick them out on the wing and burn them out or destroy their confidence by rotting on the bench. I would rather see a diamond formation with one of either Jack or Ramsey being rested/rotated. The manager is the major problem with this team, the players are a mixture of the sublime and the terrible, but it's down to the manager to find the right combination and balance, which he patently doesn't. Alexis Left, Ozil behind the striker, Ox Chambo right, Ramsey/Wilshere partnered by Flamini in midfield - Put that team out and I would feel very sorry for the opposition.

  205. BADARSE

    Sep 05, 2014, 16:02 #56749

    He walks in with a grizzled countenance, floorboards creaking beneath dusty Cuban heeled boots. The bat-wing doors swing noisily on their hinges. With hat pulled down, covering most of a furrowed brow and an ice cold stare from eyes showing as slits, he throws back one side of his poncho. Rolling his cheroot across his lips until it settles in a hanging fashion in the corner of his mouth, he then rolls it back and chews on it. Without parting his lips he hisses, 'Despite missing 8 games in March/April, Ozil was joint 5th in PL for providing goal assists.' He then turns on his heels, and sashays back out again.

  206. Lord Froth

    Sep 05, 2014, 15:44 #56748

    Ozil should play up front on his own then instead of doing those skillful flicks to team mates he merely needs to flick it into the net. He would score at least a hat trick per game and hey presto! Striker problem solved and Arsenal win the Quadruple.

  207. Westlower

    Sep 05, 2014, 15:38 #56747

    Despite missing 8 games in March/April, Ozil was joint 5th in PL for providing goal assists.

  208. WENGER MUST GO ASAP(MARCUS)

    Sep 05, 2014, 15:29 #56746

    Another article written by a Wenger delusional fan boy. Why do akbs always look for a scapegoat to alleviate the blame away from their great leader? Wenger is playing the lad out of position because he saw him play there for Germany during the World Cup. The man even said in a interview that he's best position is the number 10 role. Also you don't drop a guy who you spend 40 million on so your scapegoating nonsense will be just that nonsense. I bet you never. Criticise Wenger for he's shockingly inept tactics away from home?? I bet you don't . Typical akb blame someone else for Wengers pathetic tactics and down right incompetence. So what replace him with Wilshere?? or Carzola?? both known for tracking back yeah ?? lool

  209. umar

    Sep 05, 2014, 15:29 #56745

    Poor article,blame the manager,ramsey has been misplacing passes in this setup ramsey out.carzola doesn't drag the ball forward,carzola out,thats it.you are as fair to ozil as i am to you when i say 'lay an egg or get slauthered.nobody places to his potential in this new arsenal setup.

  210. jeff wright

    Sep 05, 2014, 15:19 #56744

    Hey,this other Jeff Wright post 60004 is really funny ,the witticism rivals Oscar Wilde's.

  211. radfordkennedy

    Sep 05, 2014, 15:05 #56742

    Personally id like to see him play at the bottom of a diamond with Alexis to his left,the Ox to his right and Welbeck in front of him,in an ideal football world you would just toss him the ball and say"go on son,take them apart"im convinced that free of any shackles he would be far more effective and wouldnt cut the sometimes forlorn figure that he does

  212. jeff wright

    Sep 05, 2014, 15:02 #56741

    The big problem with the Ozil is being played out of position excuses ,to try and explain away his lackadaisical play is that he is no better when played in midfield. Wilshere is obviously better in that position than Ozil is - and Wenger knows this . Even he can work this out ! So why do we have some on here struggling to understand it? Incidentally Ozil was also pushed out wide by Loew for Germany at the WC in Brazil, was the German also a mug for doing that ? At the World Cup Ozil again hardly looked like the world class player that he is supposed to be. Now if Ozil can't cut the mustard in midfield for Germany,why should anyone believe he can do it for us in the Prem and in Europe? Ozil was sold by Real Madrid because he was not wanted by Ancelotti due to his poor work ethic ,no other top side came in for him and he was another late Stan panic buy after the disastrous start last season, when we lost 3-1 at home to Villa.He looks nothing like a Prem player and clearly wants away to some easier climes where he can stroll around flicking passes to forwards who have the brains to make runs to get on the end of them,he's good at this no question,but it's not that simple in some leagues and at European ,International level,where Ozil is found out for his lack of defensive team work . Actually I feel sorry for Wenger having been lumbered with the little Turk playboy. Danny Boy may prove a better buy, but he will need to hit the ground running ,it was noticeable that when the announcement by our brilliant PR AFC department that Welbeck had not had a medical at AFC and there had been no offer made for him that the mob outside the Emirates, live on Sky , cheered this news ! Good luck Danny ,you will need it with some of the dull morons that we have following Arsene. Silly little Lee KFC being one of the biggest morons,he's suddenly disappeared again,but fear not if we get a a good result against City he will pop back up gloating. As for Ozil, no good crying over spilled milk, Wenger should be looking at off-loading him to some Turkish club or Seria A one , rather than wasting time in a futile effort to turn him into a wide player in the Prem. All of he should be played in midfield is just deluded nonsense ,get over it .Cheers.

  213. I.P. from South Africa

    Sep 05, 2014, 14:54 #56740

    Ozil is NOT a wing or wingback and this was known PRIOR to him coming to Arsenal. If our formation now does not allow for a number 10 position, then we can not blame Ozil for Wenger's change of mind. Wenger was and is the person who sings Ozil's praises all the time and he is the one who bought Ozil, so now Wenger has to answer how it is that "he who knows best" has decided on Ozil as a wing.

  214. Gaz

    Sep 05, 2014, 14:52 #56739

    Surely until we see Özil playing in his preferred role over a lengthy period of time it's far too early to decide whether he's been a flop or not? Personally I reckon a front three of Welbeck, Walcott and Sanchez will bring the best out of him...

  215. DJ

    Sep 05, 2014, 14:47 #56738

    I think we will see the best of Ozil with the signing of Welbeck. With a front three of Welbeck, Sanchez and Walcott/OX we will have much more movement and pace giving Ozil the chance to do what he does best, play quick, insisive passes. Assuming he is restored to his playmaker position that is!

  216. Richard

    Sep 05, 2014, 14:39 #56737

    I disagree if you look at the game against Leicester the number of passes we made were superior to them, and Ozil was the chief contributor to that stat. We all no his effectiveness going towards his own goal is minimal but then it is up to one of the other players to say I will fill in and put a bit extra in. Against Everton the problem was not reacting to a cleverly rehearsed set piece. Against Leicester your wrong check the video replays of their goal it came from their left our right and koscelny is purely to blame because he was uncomfortable in heading the ball he should not have returned to pitch this means ball would have been cleared. However, I agree that in the current formation not sure why Wenger has changed it Ozil on the left is not best fit I would have him partnering Ramsey in middle sort of a deeper playmaker. Now I think this formation highlights the limitations of arteta and flamini in ball playing dm they play ball back or sideways and too slowly coquelin or chamberlain here would move ball quicker and forward. And it is this change in formation that means we have had a stuttering start to season yet after all that we still have not lost a game. And picked up an extra point AT Everton this year where we lost all points there last season. A win against city would give us a great platform but a point wouldn't be a disaster either considering Liverpool got mauled by them stoke got the breaks but could have been beaten out of sight. I think we will be alright and could actually challenge for the title more realistically this year.

  217. samuel parson

    Sep 05, 2014, 14:28 #56736

    This is the most pathetic article I've seen in a long time. Seems like it was written by a 12 year old. Özil is no winger he never had to track back in any of his other teams the fact of the matter is it doesn't fall down to him he doesn't pick the team Wenger does!!! Wenger puts him out there when multiple pundits fans even some players and managers have said he needs to play as the number 10 as for that position not being there in a 4141 rubbish you play 2 centrally in the number 10 role!

  218. Electre

    Sep 05, 2014, 13:42 #56734

    I remember last season: 6-0 in Chelsea! 3-0 in Everton !! 2-2 at home against Swansea! All this because of Özil!!! (wait, he was injured? Who cares??)! Yes, he has to leave Arsenal, he is a huge problem... Our most creative player 2013-2014 is not needed !

  219. dave

    Sep 05, 2014, 13:37 #56733

    Change the bloody headline it doesn't make any sense. Why on Earth would you blame Ozil for being played out of position? The title of this article should be WENGER IS THE PROBLEM, you say as much all the way through the article and yet between you and The Gooner the whole net gets the joy of your stupid Ozil bashing headline.

  220. Paulo75

    Sep 05, 2014, 13:36 #56732

    I've been far from impressed with Ozil since we signed him, a frustrating player capable of a whole lot more. If we're spending £42 on him though we should be at least be playing him in the proper position. Thats what you're paid for Arsene!

  221. Holywood Gooner

    Sep 05, 2014, 13:35 #56731

    Better to change the formation to 4-1-2-1-2 to accomodate the lizard-like playmaker: Sces, Deb, Kos, Mert, Gibbs; Art; Ram, Caz; Ozil; Alex, Wel

  222. Dougie Mudzingwa

    Sep 05, 2014, 13:35 #56730

    Your opinion shows your lack of appreciation of the game. The Everton game, I agree that Ozil take a blame but on the Leceister match you are totally wrong. Ozil is not a defender. This Debeuchy guy went too much forward and left space at right back. Per was with the guy who made a cross. Had Per went with the guy to the line and disturb him from crossing it was going to be different. A defender must defend and on venture forward when it is necessary. You cant blame a forward for not defending when the defender was there. Where was Debeuchy?

  223. GBP

    Sep 05, 2014, 13:34 #56729

    Fair points. Ozil is an out and out schemer and needs the licence to do just that. Tracking back isnt in his reportoire. At his best he could be a Cantona type player and with the same net effect. Utd left him unshackled by tactical demands and the results were clear. Mesut needs similar indulgence but i would always pick him when fit. He actually gives the team far more than people realise with his probing even from wide. Hes the type of player who has to be watched exclusively so to appreciate his game.

  224. Delford Magaya

    Sep 05, 2014, 13:34 #56728

    In response to the above article, the writer have mentioned a lot of things about Mesut Ozil, when you look at Arsenal, the way they play is totaly different with what you are saying. The system of using left winger and right winger is outdated, yes I do agree with you that, he doesnt chase back once he lose the ball, that is a weakness which can be corrected at training ground, but when you look at Ozil once he has the ball with him, you expect something good to happen and if you look back to last season, if it was not for his injury, he could have been chosen as one of the best midfielders in the Premier League, counting on statistics and accurate passes that can make the team win games, it is very easy to talk than doing it practical. In morden football these days, a player who play as a winger should be able to play in midfield as well. Look some are saying he is number ten, when people talk of numbers does that mean anything? Our midfild last year were not effective when Ozil and Ramsey were not playing. Ozil is one of the best attacking player becasue of his intelligent passes when with the ball. He can only work on the weakness of chasing the man with the ball once he lose it. Otherwise he is a perfect player and is an asset to the club.

  225. abdulmajid

    Sep 05, 2014, 13:32 #56727

    ozil is not the problem wenger is, he is not winger but wenger use him as winger

  226. Samantha

    Sep 05, 2014, 13:26 #56726

    This is a ridiculous article. If we know about football, we know that Ozil has the label 'world class.' He has this label for playing in the #10 role, not for playing on the wing. These are two positions which require totally different skill sets. Just FYI, In a 4-2-3-1, the #10 absolutely has defensive duties, especially to cover a defensive midfielder who pushes forward, it is the striker who can afford not to play defense. And the also in the 4-1-4-1, there are two #10 players (middle two of the 4) It is an inverted triangle. Wenger continues to play a 4-2-3-1 (one defensive midfielder and one box-to-box midfielder) as that is what he has always played and will always play, not a 4-1-4-1. So instead of placing blame on Ozil for 'underperforming' let's place the blame with Wenger for playing him out of position. When Ozil is played at the #10 role and he has some brilliant assists, I hope you write an apology article.

  227. Gary Brown

    Sep 05, 2014, 13:23 #56725

    To those responding saying play ozil in his best position i agree and that is what my article clearly stated. What I am saying is - if wenger will not change to having a number 10 in the side (as currently we do not play with someone in the hole) then is ozil worth a place in the team? yes or no?

  228. Ady adz

    Sep 05, 2014, 13:21 #56724

    this article is rubbish. ozil is not a winger for one. has only had 2 weeks af preseason training but was thrown straight into the team when he was available, had no prior friendlies to build his game up. if wenger is going to keep playing this 4-1-4-1 formation then he needs to put ozil in the middle 3 with rambo and flamini and play someone else on the wings. finally debuchy was out of position for the Leicester goal. get your facts right mate

  229. edl

    Sep 05, 2014, 13:20 #56723

    I hate this bull**** about always playing your best players regardless of formation. We have better players than Ozil who can play wide. Rather than drop the guy why can t it be explained that with this formation someone else plays and with another formation he plays. Are footballers such babies that they don t see ,understand this and need to spit out their dummies. Doesn t reflect well on managers if their staff are so precious and sensitive.

  230. Chris Faulkner

    Sep 05, 2014, 13:18 #56722

    Ozil was not at fault for the Leicester goal. Schlupp run past the bloke in the right back position at the time. (Think this was Mertesacker), he crossed. A concussed Koscielny failed to compete with Ulloa and the goal went in. So blame Mertesacker for allowing Schlupp past so easily or the management for allowing Koscielny back on the field of play. That one was not Ozil's fault.

  231. Tawie

    Sep 05, 2014, 13:16 #56720

    Play him on his right position full stop and he does not need to be what he is not because he will get even more terrible.

  232. Boy Prince Ozil

    Sep 05, 2014, 13:16 #56719

    How can Ozil person if he is being played out of position by Wenger knowing the kind of creating and less defending player he is. The problem is about Ozil, it's about Wenger. Let's face the fact

  233. Gooner

    Sep 05, 2014, 13:14 #56718

    He shouldn't be dropped, no. He needs to play in the no. 10 role in a 4231, not on the wing in this horribel 4141 formation Wenger has been playing lately. That's the issue. He's no winger, even though Low and Wenger apparently seems to think so. He's the worlds best no. 10. Play him there, like we did last season, and someone else on the wings. Ox and Sanchez, Sanchez and Cazorla, Podolski and Chamberalin, you name it.

  234. lance peters

    Sep 05, 2014, 13:13 #56717

    if we had a proper defensive midfielder then the defence does not have to attack so much. because we have arteta and flamini our wingers are expected to track back when they shud actually be waiting for the counter attack. pires never defended because viera and petit were cover for the defence. but we have arteta and flamini wandering all over the park like blind donkeys. and then there is giroud always with back towards the net forcing ozil to play sidewards.

  235. Family Enclosure Man

    Sep 05, 2014, 13:11 #56716

    I take your point about Ozil not being much good defensively, although I think your stats are badly wrong: no way is he responsible for conceding 10 goals for every one he creates. The real problem - as so often at Arsenal - is that the guy is being played out of position. He is another in a long line of No 10s that AW has signed and then stuck out on the wing (Rosicky, Arshavin, Cazorla). He is too talented a playmaker to simply drop: I think a better solution would be to shift him to the centre of a 'creative three' midfielders with 1 DM behind them and two attackers in front (could be two conventional strikers or a CF and a wide player).

  236. Richie

    Sep 05, 2014, 13:06 #56715

    It's simple.. Just play Ozil in his best position. A number 10 with licence to roam. Let the defenders defend and let the creative players make goals.

  237. kilkenny cat

    Sep 05, 2014, 13:05 #56714

    The reason Ozil has been generally poor is this clown of a manager is not using him properly. He is a number 10 not a wide man. Play him behind a quality forward and he would be world class. But agree in his current role he doesn,t do enough and not worth a place in the team

  238. Claude

    Sep 05, 2014, 13:05 #56713

    You are right

  239. Anne

    Sep 05, 2014, 13:03 #56712

    Oh yes, thank you for this so clever article! AT LAST Someone sees the light! Özil out and Arsenal will be League champion! OUT THE GERMAN ! He is no defender?? BUT YES HE IS ! He is no goalkeeper? BUT YES HE IS ! HE IS OUR SCAPEGOAT! LET'S SING LAZY USELESS NOT INTERESTED STUPID MESUT, OUR SCAPEGOAT ! He has to play so that the others look bright and clever! Let's keep him on the pitch so that the mistakes of our defence and HOLY SANTI and HOLY AARON and HOLY JACK and... won't be seen ! He is important to the team: with him the others are world classes champions !

  240. Sidney

    Sep 05, 2014, 13:00 #56711

    What we need is a DM a CF with a WCF alongside.More DF's wouldn't go amiss with some new LB's CB's and AM's and WAM's with a DAM who likes to sit deep.The AMG's and WOB's will not be happy yet AKB's could feel another DB10 or TH24 to go with a GK what do you think?