Arsenal Return To Winning Ways

Online Ed: Three points in three and a half minutes at Villa Park



Arsenal Return To Winning Ways


Arsenal played their most convincing 90 minutes of football so far this season to get their season back on track after some questionable performances of late. The three and a half minutes in which they settled the game were reminiscent of Wenger’s side of just over a decade ago in their ability to kill a game in a short passage of play where their dominance left the opposition shell-shocked. For this brief period, the Gunners clicked completely and were a force of football nature. A pleasure to witness and significant that the returning to form Mesut Ozil and new boy Danny Welbeck were key in settling this fixture.

Villa pushed up the field and Arsenal exploited the gaps behind their defence. Paul Lambert’s men were not as adept at hussling their opponents as Dortmund proved, and paid the price. Mesut Ozil had more freedom to play his football, not least because there seemed little call on him to do any defensive work. Yes, there is fluidity in the Arsenal system, but when the team do not have the ball, the two wider attackers need to be mindful of what is happening on their flank. At times, with Ozil nominally responsible for helping the left back, it hasn’t always happened. And even if he does get back and help out, he is a lightweight in the tackle, brushed aside. So fluidity is all fine as long as when the ball is lost, Ozil becomes the spare man floating around the middle with the vague notion of picking up the other side’s defensive midfielder, in the hope that if it is someone like Steven Gerrard, someone else will pick him up when he moves forward.

Danny Welbeck is gradually developing understanding with his new colleagues and the benefits were obvious yesterday. Due to his ability to play and move at pace, he gives the side alternative options to Olivier Giroud, whose game is based on strength rather than pace. Giroud might have got into position to score the goal that Welbeck did, but he might have been a yard off. I do have a memory of numerous chances flying across the box where the Frenchman has agonizingly failed to make contact by a couple of inches. Time will tell, but it was important for Welbeck to score after his profligacy in Germany.

There is a view that Aaron Ramsey played a little deeper than previously this season, possibly because there was no pretence of the most advanced central midfielder (e.g. Wilshere, or Cazorla) coming back to help out his two colleagues. Or maybe his passing simply came off yesterday (we won’t speak of the late cross field ball that led to a Villa corner).

Ultimately, this was a reminder of matches last season where Arsenal went away from home against weaker opponents and achieved the result expected of them. For all the doom mongering after Tuesday, the Gunners were clear favourites to win this game with the bookies, who never get carried away with fan opinion when setting their odds.

It needs to be said though that Arsenal’s vulnerability in the air is still an issue, especially from set pieces. Szczesny pulled off a fine save at 0-0, but there was a feeling that he did not dominate his area, and that there were too often free Villa players lurking at the back post. Other sides will exploit this weakness and it is difficult to envisage very much changing with the current personnel. Whether Welbeck can defend in the air as well as Giroud can seems uncertain. Would David Ospina prove a more commanding keeper in the air? The Gunners don’t tend to mark man to man, and the fear is if they do, they would most likely lose their battles. It’s a problem that hasn’t gone away and does not seem to be being addressed. It does though, appear to be shaping up to be one of those seasons where the best teams simply score lots of goals, at the price of defensive solidity. So on the level of – we can outscore anyone – then Arsenal aren’t doing much very different from Chelsea… except scoring enough goals to secure the points. Presumably, the manager simply believes this will come.

It was a contest until Arsenal scored, and then became a bit of a training session. It was good to see the team close the game out comfortably, something I don’t take for granted after that Newcastle 4-4 match about four years ago. Villa are no mugs, as their win at Anfield last weekend proved, but they had no answer to the three and a half minute turbo charged phase of attack that settled this game. Just the tonic needed ahead of the North London derby next Saturday.

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  1. JAMIE

    Sep 24, 2014, 8:40 #57838

    Bard,If it hurts that much just get Cardinal Chuckwater from the local weirdo's to come round and tell you everything's fine with Arsenal and your soul...If that doesn't work you can always get the lovely Conchita and Helen to pop over,that's what jeff always does...

  2. Bard

    Sep 24, 2014, 8:38 #57837

    Baddie, if I set the bar any higher I wont be able to get over it myself. Of course I know how much we all hurt when we lose. But its worth reminding ourselves of Einsteins definition of madness, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. If we continue to go into seasons 2 or 3 players short we will continue to have to field understrength teams and suffer defeats like last night. Its not rocket science. The news that silent Stan has creamed off a few million while raising ticket prices stinks to high heaven. Its good the know that he is fully in tune with doing things the arsenal way. Probity and fairness have been replaced by the mantra screw the fans.

  3. Westlower

    Sep 24, 2014, 8:29 #57836

    Ronald Koeman to be the next Arsenal manager anyone? Must try and get Schneiderlin in January. No fixture on October 29th - hip hip.....

  4. Ozzie

    Sep 24, 2014, 7:43 #57835

    radfordkennedy,great little story mate. Here's another: One night when backpacking I stopped for a few in a Goudhurst pub; opened my eyes next morning in a strange bed with a beautiful woman looking down from beside me with a smile on her face. I got lucky - occasionally:) Baddie, it isn't Ramsgate but Orpington the son lives. Ramsgate is where his woman friend has a house. 'Passing as ships in the night' is a saying that I refer to regularly and sums up my own relationships in life perfectly. Not one for clinging.

  5. BADARSE

    Sep 24, 2014, 6:42 #57834

    Bard I have a certain respect for you, I think you know that. Earning the Virtual Title of, 'The Dark Lord Moany', is a recognition, though dressed up in a fun tease. However sometimes I believe you let yourself down; are you really unaware, or have you just taken your eye off the ball? I prefer to think the latter, but am not certain, perhaps playing Devil's Advocate is too entrenched. The landscape of football has changed. That is a statement we all accept though some suffer from a myopic view-only seeing the changes and not completely understanding why. My grandson pursued a line similar to your approach, in that he was critical of putting out a weaker team. He wanted us to win the game, which was no different to me-but wanted the big 'Guns' out there, going toe to toe. I explained that football teams-our team included,now have a nucleus of around sixteen men regularly playing as a 'first' team, but of course half a dozen don't get much of a game, from time to time. Also another half a dozen are on the fringe and get no games at all and may need to be called upon at any time in the future-they have to be as ready as possible to step into the first team. Financial demands today mean too many matches are played-and generally Arsenal, as a top team, find they become all, 'must win' matches. How do the players get match practise? You know there is a difference between being fit and match-fit. In days of yore, those not playing in the first eleven, (when we had no subs), the second eleven played in a competitive league, (I went to Highbury over fifty years ago and watched our reserves play the Sours reserves and we had a bumper crowd-over 20k?). This means a man called upon at short notice was fit and match-fit, simples! No longer is that the case. Players train and wait, train and wait. Suddenly a competition offers an opportunity, it is the least important of four we compete in. That makes it a perfect case for playing the 'boys', who are in fact a combination of young players coming through, top men coming back from injury, and fringe men who need a game. Bellerin, Hayden, Coquelin, Chambers, Campbell, meet the first description, Diaby the second, and Ospina, Alexis, Jack, Pod and Tom the latter. Despite your tongue in cheek jibe it does sadly but fortuitously leave the calendar clear. We concentrate on the Prem and the CL. After Xmas we defend the FA Cup. That I think is obvious. If you are hurting by the defeat, you must also recognise that I too am feeling those same pains. Why then do you want to shift some of your pain onto me? Do you subconsciously recognise that I am the stronger and can therefore share some of your burden? I am as it happens, I shoulder defeat well on the surface, but inside it churns. It is a natural immature reaction-a weakness-to search for someone to blame, to shift responsibility. It's how religion first got a footing and continues to hold on. Yes, I can easily take your bit of angst, upset, and hurt, but it is dodging the reality, and isn't really fair is it? As The Dark Lord Moany your attitude can help set the mood, so set the bar a little higher my friend, I have utter confidence in you, I know you can do it. Together, together, together.

  6. Mathew

    Sep 24, 2014, 5:01 #57833

    Blessing in disguise. At least now we can focus our limited resources on competitions that actually matter. It was a chance for youngsters to impress, that's all. Now they've had that chance and they have only themselves to blame for not performing.

  7. DW Thomas

    Sep 24, 2014, 4:02 #57832

    Can it be true? Stan takes more money out of the club? And you muppets were complaining about me saying the club lies? FFS this club is openly treating us like mugs. As JW says, you can't invent this s..t!! Lets hear you BS reasons for this one!!!

  8. DW Thomas

    Sep 24, 2014, 0:27 #57831

    FFS the excuse making is in full fury. Out of one competition already, although watched Tadic earlier is season and he looked very good. Abou Diaby may have been the next great French player, but injuries have killed his career. On his day he is nigh on unstoppable. I remember that united game where he scored an own goal and then went on a brilliant run through them and almost made up for it with a goal. Sad story for me. Seeing him return and perhaps have an injury free season with something to add would make my year! Not a moaner either it seems. Wow though, we can't seem to play consistently can we? Then again who cares as the seats are filled and the shirts are being bought. $$$ baby! Gimme more!!!

  9. Hilarious

    Sep 23, 2014, 22:49 #57830

    The AKBs all gracious, reasonable and 'not hiding' when it doesn't matter. You couldn't make it up!

  10. Bard

    Sep 23, 2014, 21:47 #57829

    Baddie; too much doom and gloom!!!! Disappointing yes but now we can really concentrate on winning the CL and the PL, this cup is an unwelcome distraction. We only put out the kids so nothing to worry about.

  11. GBP

    Sep 23, 2014, 21:45 #57828

    Good game. Saints deserved it. Good chances to have won 3 or 4 to 1 really.

  12. BADARSE

    Sep 23, 2014, 21:40 #57827

    Out, and not hiding. Bit disappointing, licking the wounds.

  13. BADARSE

    Sep 23, 2014, 19:40 #57826

    Evening GBP, it's interesting how our lives interlock, sometimes passing like ships in the night-whoops that's a radfordkennedyism there, our matelot Gooner. Whoops, KO. Come on the redmen!

  14. GBP

    Sep 23, 2014, 19:29 #57824

    Rolling a few years back now Baddie and RK. I used to do some contract enginerring work at the old Betteshanger Colliery in East Kent back inn the late 70s. Had a few colourful weeks in Kent every so often then! Great times. Nice blokes the Miners there. Long since fell to Mrs Thatchers knife did Betteshanger. Happy times.

  15. BADARSE

    Sep 23, 2014, 19:22 #57823

    Good evening maguiresbridge. The Molly Malone sculpture is a little Disneyfied. The bizarre thing is it's in the street and you kind of happen upon it as you push through the crowds. Roughly normal size so you might be inclined to begin moaning that she is in your way, especially if you have just staggered from the Virtual BBQ after downing a number of Guinness', with goldfish from the garden pond still sloshing around in your willies. Had a recent visit from the brother in law and our little three years old Max, from Dunboyne. He is a riot. When you ask him a question he repeats it back to you in a sing-song voice. 'Max, did you know that tree is a sycamore tree?' 'No, Uncle BADARSE, I didn't know that tree is a sycamore tree!' Not yet three and he has the Blarney already.

  16. BADARSE

    Sep 23, 2014, 19:09 #57822

    Hi radfordkennedy, I really look forward to your posts buddy, that must say something. Mind I enjoy Bard's when he isn't telling me off, and maguiresbridge and Hiccup also have their place, and wait for it...even enjoy the remorseless one jeff wright, he really is the tops, ha ha. A good website actually, until people get a little personal. Anyway Tilmanstone, halfway between me and Dover, good memories, eh chum? Snowdown colliery closed with all the ramifications of the cataclysm that it was. The whole community died. Still, they were only people, sacrificed for the greater 'good'. Mmm, that kind of rings a bell, not fans just customers, is that where the crassness of modern life took a sharp right turn? You bet your life it is. Thirty years on and it's reflected in most things in life, even our football club.

  17. maguiresbridge gooner

    Sep 23, 2014, 19:08 #57821

    BADARSE, although I've never seen it i wouldn't doubt it, is she pushing a wheel barrow. There's plenty around, there's even a naff one at the Emirates where a wheel barrow would look well beside it after all the rubbish he's landed us with.

  18. GBP

    Sep 23, 2014, 18:22 #57820

    In the Metro Hiccup, not the dreaded SS News. SKY (and the Daily Mail) - the sources of much of the angst you guys display in my view. Its (Sky's) reason for existing is to stoke up angst and surreal expectation, but then look who its owned by, so we shouldn't be surprised.

  19. Hiccup

    Sep 23, 2014, 17:44 #57817

    I haven't heard the interview GBP, because your advice earlier was to ignore sky sports news? I'll start taking VK serious when he thinks we can reach a CL final. Give me Didi Hamann any day.

  20. GBP

    Sep 23, 2014, 17:30 #57816

    Ruffle feathers at Chelsea? Yes, im sure JM and his SW6 squad wont sleep now for a month after the collective distress suffered by reading his quote. VK is an intelligent guy it always seems to me and yet we spout 'codswallop'. Read your post back to yourself chap and im sure even you might realise the opposite applies here.

  21. Hiccup

    Sep 23, 2014, 17:16 #57814

    Vincent Kompany's comment that arsenal are more of a threat is clearly a slight made at Chelsea. Intended to ruffle feathers at Chelsea with such a slur, it seems this tongue in cheek dig has reached the AKB antennas which are up and running again. They really are throwing some codswallop in to the ring these days. One minute it's ignore what you read in the press, and the next minute reciting chapter and verse from the same sources.

  22. radfordkennedy

    Sep 23, 2014, 17:10 #57813

    Must be something about east kent ozzie/badarse...some 30 years ago coming home on leave with as chuck said'no particular place to go'a mate convinced me to stay at his parents house in a place called Tilmanstone,his dad took me to the local and got me absolutley elephants on something called Gales...one thing i do remember is that the village was like a deserted film set apparently Tilmanstone was a colliery town and had only recently closed,the effect on the local people was devastating

  23. GBP

    Sep 23, 2014, 17:06 #57812

    Hi Bard - not for a minute am i saying we ll win the title. We ve little chance. The point on Kompany's comments is that if players like him have the view that they do, then the constant hammering of the Club by own supposed fans is maybe light years from the truth? Like you, im not against change per se, im just not for it right now but in the meantime think we could surprise a few.

  24. Bard

    Sep 23, 2014, 15:56 #57810

    GBP, I would love to Diaby do well. But we are talking top class athletes here and the poor guy has had more serious injuries than the rest of the club put together. Its just not physically possible to morph into a top player after so many years in the treatment room. I think you misunderstand the thrust of the argument. There are good things about Wenger and this team but its not a team built to compete and he isnt the man to make that happen. Now if you are going to tell me that Arsenal will finish above Chelsea on the back of Kompanys comments then make the argument and I will listen.

  25. RDT - 4

    Sep 23, 2014, 15:47 #57809

    People in the game speak highly of Alan Pardew as well. Doesn't mean they mean it. Halfwit.

  26. GBP

    Sep 23, 2014, 14:07 #57807

    Good luck tonight Abou! Echo that. He could still be such a tremendous player and influence on the team. AW sees him every day Bard and must see much in the lad to have looked after and kept faith in him for so long. Your dismissal of him is understandable to a degree but our standing by him reflects upon the fact that many professionals in the game, inc Wenger and Fergie have oft commented on his abilities. On that point, Vincent Kompany himself says today that hes 'seen good things of Chelsea but better things from Arsenal' this Season and sees Arsenal as their 'biggest threat'. The comments of such a consummate and skilled professional, who plays and understands the game carry great weight, putting all of the negative depressing stuff peddled daily on here by the doubting Thomas's and his valium brigade into perspective.Have you never stopped and wondered why people in the game speak so highly of Wenger, our Club and players, our style of play while you lot keep p-----g into the wind with your gripes put downs? They're all wrong i suppose and you guys know better? COYG Be good to see the youngsters tonight.

  27. BADARSE

    Sep 23, 2014, 13:56 #57806

    Forgot to say Athoz, Horsmonden I've heard of but never visited. It's around 15 miles south of Maidstone on the way to Tunbridge Wells. We came that close a few times over the last fortnight or so, when we just skirted south of the city onto the M20 motorway. Small world indeed. Glad it was all good for the lady, and for the young man.

  28. BADARSE

    Sep 23, 2014, 13:41 #57805

    Ah, Athoz, what a story, what memories, I have my own of going Hop-picking with my young brother and Mum in Kent, it was the only holiday us kids got. We used to help Mum for a few minutes each day, but would scamper off into the fields and woods with the other youngsters. Great times, falling into streams, stinging nettle patches and off fences and gates. We always came back battered, bruised but unbowed, stood me in good stead for becoming a young Gunner. The evening and a faggot of wood and kindling would be dropped off beside the huts by a farm worker on a tractor and the magic would begin. Campfires were lit, sun slowly dipped in the sky, adults had a few bottles of beer, us 'littlies' had squash. Jacket potatoes cooked in the embers, a few biscuits or jam sandwiches, and the singing began. Always 'Danny Boy', and 'Molly Malone'-what a naff sculpture in Dublin-(maguiresbridge), kids got their turn with 'Ten Green Bottles'. We never wanted to turn in for the night, nor did the adults I suppose. Sleep was necessary for the Mums but it would only bring the dawn and another day's hard graft that much quicker. The Dads came at the weekend, that was a 'biggie' for us as we would all troop down the lane, a big entourage, and go to the 'flicks'. I remember seeing 'Oklahoma', one year. Now the amazing part is I live in Ramsgate. Do I know this chap? Have we crossed swords? ha ha. How coincidental. It would be great to say hello and explain the peculiarities of our connection, but I suppose it's not possible. The six degrees of seperation just got alarmingly close. He could always meet me under the clock at Ramsgate Station, wearing a red carnation. ha ha. Peace young man. Your humour travels well.

  29. Ozzie

    Sep 23, 2014, 12:35 #57804

    Baddie, she stayed at Ramsgate - with a son she put up for adoption when she was a naïve 15 year old back in them dark old days of shame. They only discovered each other this year by chance. The meeting was a huge success. Unfortunately, the poor devil turns out to be a Spurs fan but she wont hold that against him. That's an amazing story of your daughter - I can tell you are very father proud as I am with my Jasmine who was born 36 years ago in Sandringham - Melbourne. I loved old Kent and have fond memories staying in a place called Horsmonden - drinking cider and waking up to cuckoos (and darned church bells with a hangover - ah, Karma!!) Baddie, I fear my antipodean sense of humour doesn't always read how it was meant - if that makes sense? Looking forward to watching some future talent make their mark against Saints. Cheers, ole mate.

  30. BADARSE

    Sep 23, 2014, 11:18 #57798

    Bard, can I watch? Athoz old friend, good to know the lady has returned, you are no longer the Prince-in-waiting. Yeah, they give away the 'Lying Mail' on airlines, they used to wrap fish and chips in them when I was a street urchin. Whereabouts in Kent did she travel through-I am about 20 miles away from Dover-and not too much more from the coast of France. In fact I can see the Cap de Calais, and often see Arsene taking a stroll towards it some mornings. Here's a funny one, 45 years ago my baby daughter was being born. It was during the League Cup game, at home against Southampton, the Stroller scored both our goals in a 2-0 victory. She has recently celebrated her 45th year on this tiny rock of a planet, and to mark the event we play Southampton again at home in the League Cup. She remains as beautiful, just a little bigger now. ZOOM! What was that? Your life mate. Do I get another? No sorry chum, that's it!

  31. jjetplane

    Sep 23, 2014, 11:16 #57797

    Well put DW as per usual. Enjoy the heartfelt elowuency of your posts and those of BARD. They certainly do hit some nerves as you get the typical schoolyard 'look how hard I am' and the 'what is history' sermonising. Funny enough, somewhere between all that sits OGL (the counting room) repeating: 'they are still buying it - give me more tens so I can have more 11s...' Hope you are having a good time JEFF - the snipers are openly missing you.

  32. Bard

    Sep 23, 2014, 10:54 #57796

    Helen, Im on my way, dont wait up !!!! I have to get permission from my parents first. Reveal yourself you naughty man.

  33. Helen Clark

    Sep 23, 2014, 9:47 #57794

    Oh Bard,Come to mumma you little heffer.

  34. Ozzie

    Sep 23, 2014, 9:28 #57793

    Morning Baddie, my dear Lady has just returned from Spain via Kent with complementary The Mail in hand. After flicking through the usual Murdoch garbage I came to a centre spread that read in bold: ARSENE THE REAL WIZARD OF OZ. Keep your pecker up, the Phoenix shall rise from the ashes. Peace Bro :)

  35. Bard

    Sep 23, 2014, 9:25 #57792

    i too hope dear old Diaby comes through tonights game unscathed. however its a bit of a stretch to say the least that a player who has been injured for the last 5 years is going to be the missing piece in the jigsaw is seriously deluded. The most that can be hoped for is that he gets through a a run of games and can be a useful sub. He was a really talented player but those days are long gone.

  36. BADARSE

    Sep 23, 2014, 9:25 #57791

    DWT, just another little reply to your post. The club and Arsene lied? Well, if you find out your girlfriend has been sleeping with someone else instead of visiting a friend, then that is lying. To try to run a mega operation with changing forces and issuing the progress reports and direction the ship is sailing in is another thing. It's akin to planting flags in the ocean-the sea is always moving, as are the shifting sands of commerce. We had a Prime Minister who lied through his teeth, unconvincingly in my eyes, took us to war and had many young and naive innocents killed. Not content with this he had us run away, mayhem ensued, and now we may be dragged back. That is lying with a capital 'L', and his repayment? Peace Envoy to the Middle East!!! Only jeff wright could make that up. You talk of lying and I could be obtuse and say I don't know what you are referring to, but I do know to what you allude. I suggest your take on that is a little naïve, as are others who roll this one out and add riders in that Arsene Wenger is arrogant etc. All silly and two-dimensional observations, which cloud the real issues.

  37. Westlower

    Sep 23, 2014, 8:51 #57790

    @DWT, I should have added that I'm not against change having spent the majority of my working life challenging the status quo. I will applaud and support the new manager as and when the appointment is made.

  38. BADARSE

    Sep 23, 2014, 8:49 #57789

    Three in a row again, isn't that 'going nap', 24601? ha ha. Abou is quite definitely the answer to our holding midfielder problem, there is no two ways about it. Thing is it's a gamble him staying relatively injury free because of his history. We all hope the player comes good, don't we Arsenal supporters? I understand why Arsene has held on for his return-he too must gamble sometimes. A strong team out tonight I expect, which in my eyes reflects the level our squad has moved up to, a win on the cards? Yes. Good old Arsenal.

  39. Westlower

    Sep 23, 2014, 8:19 #57788

    Fingers firmly crossed that Abou Diaby comes through tonight's game unscathed. He can be a key player in the coming weeks. @DWT, Your remarks are well wide of the mark as I don't buy into spin whatever the source. I also don't worship Wenger, I simply respect the Arsenal manager whoever he or she may be! I detest sniping from the 'angry mob'. Speaking of which, enjoy your holiday Jeff, don't hurry back....

  40. GBP

    Sep 23, 2014, 7:57 #57787

    You moaners are always first off the mark.You dress your posts up however you want, but all your asking for is 'spend spend spend'. Like latter day Viv Nicholson s! Its not happening and nor should it. Get into the real World, open your eyes and look beyond SKY Sports news for heavens sake.

  41. BADARSE

    Sep 23, 2014, 7:37 #57786

    In my life I have seen an abject abdication of responsibility, a neurosis that has crept through society, both here, across the pond, in fact globally. I hanker for a politician like Salmond at Westminster, instead we are promised Bo-Jo. That jeff wright, none from my early days could have made up. We exist in our own bubbles, each floating around, looking at others encased in their own private bubbles. All seeing the world through a rainbow-coloured prism. Societies are hurtling downhill towards an abyss and no one can see, or wants to link the governing factors which control and direct. Our club, not always mighty, had an identity, that has changed. Despite my spitting and cursing at life's ills and it's unscrupulous direction that it takes me and my loved ones in, I hold onto the reins. I shan't let go. I recognise how we have morphed into a 'super' club, and what a new agenda that brings with it. Those criticising need to brush the scales from their eyes, perhaps seek help and guidance, stop reading rags like the 'Lying Mail', and dancing to the drumbeat of vacuous media clowns, and refocus. Many criticisms you may have of all connected with AFC I perhaps share, some offend my sensibilities to a degree you couldn't even imagine-yet most are connected to the way affairs now are conducted, albeit with tenuous strands. Think on. To accuse me and others that I respect on this website, of having a dark, rotten and bizarre heart is grossly unfair, unjust and wrong. It is writing from the extreme edges DWT, that George W. syndrome creeping in. My heart beats soundly, mainly to the melodies of the Beatles it's true, but their is a passionate driving within, an urgency for things which would possibly rock you on your heels, whether Arsenal, justice, and life in general. Pay heed. @Athoz, news update brother. Theo is due to return next month. This means he has come through the close scrutiny of repair from his injury. Good news indeed chum.

  42. Bard

    Sep 23, 2014, 7:08 #57785

    DWT, I wholeheartedly agree mate. Terrific post. The trouble is a lot of the fans have swallowed all the rubbish the club have been spinning. They are excuses for the culture of mediocrity that many on here accept without question. We argue about always being short of a couple of players to compete but this is a symptom of an organisation that has no intention of really competing, all we do is pay lip service to it. We hark back to the great days of the invincibles as if it were yesterday conveniently forgetting how long ago that was. Wenger has won nothing but an FAC in 10 years. Now that we have our stadium debt under control we are told we will now go for it. Where are we with that project. We have some fantastic players who on their day against second rate sides can play terrific football but the squad is lightweight, unbalanced and short defensively. We always come up short against the big sides. In effect we are no closer to being able to compete than we were 2 or even 5 years ago. Not good enough for me.

  43. Hoccup

    Sep 23, 2014, 5:14 #57784

    Good stuff DWT. Yes the club lied, but super fans like GBP admire and respect this. As he's already smugly explained the club had to lie to your average fan to pull this con off. He thinks anyone who believed what the club said about the stadium move to compete is an idiot. But then at the weekend he said he doesn't believe half of what he writes, as he just comes on here to try and wind people up? And that does ring true, as his incoherent contradicting drivel backs it up. Top trolling, but he needs to get his kicks somewhere. At least badarse believes the nonsense he writes.

  44. DW Thomas

    Sep 23, 2014, 0:38 #57783

    GBP and Baddie you are hilarious. I can't discern half of what you say, but it does seem from the heart. A dark, rotten, bizarre heart sometimes. I have no messiahs, I just look at results, trophies, real ones. I just want to compete. I have loved Ozil's arrival more than most and been saying all along he just needs to play in the right place and he would flourish. Too bad Arshavin never got a chance! As for your paraphrasing of my posts GBP, I must truly hit your biggest nerve as you twist and change my words routinely to fit your agenda of Wenger love. You claim to see his faults, but they are always ignored by you lads to the point where it looks like you have suffered amnesia. I truly do love and respect Arsene in my own way. But he and the club lied to us. They took us to incredible heights and promised more, but lied. For,years now, profits have been made, huge salaries doled out, and for what? Last I checked we were a football club whose main, not sole, goal is to win. Non? Wenger's ego has eroded any and all faith I had in him to change. I don't see many things black and white but his time is up. Don't you dream of winning things and really honestly competing? Not falling off each season? What stings the most is much of my zest has gone. I don't get excited like I used to, even a few years ago. Yet i believe change could happen and bring about a period of domination that we were promised. It is apparent to many of us that we can do more as a club. Yet we CHOOSE not to. And the buck stops with him. And it's ok to see things differently. Just try to stop sounding so smug yourself. He seems to have rubbed off on you, Baddie, and Westie a little! "When one door closes, another opens; but we often look so long and so regretfully upon the closed door that we do not see the one that has opened for us." Many fear change. Some embrace it, expect it, need it. Some just are too arrogant in their own views they must belittle others opposing them.

  45. GBP

    Sep 22, 2014, 22:02 #57782

    Hi Bard - id say every team in that Prem Lge save MC are saying the same thing. Take a look at the defending from top to bottom. Its poor. Utd, Liverpool, Everton. Tottenham. All as average as ours.

  46. jjetplane

    Sep 22, 2014, 20:48 #57781

    OGL making pointed mention of 'a Brazilian side winning a WC with a team of No 10s'. When we were really good we had just one - DB10. We have so many now and they all suffer from Wenger's version of 'unbearable lightness of being'. Stick Ozil in there for the season and let's see how it goes. OGL appears to be increasing the raised eyebrows at press meetings to a new level as he shares his Brazilian reveries. No wonder he got the boot. Postscript: Chambers is now Last Man Standing. Still the heat is really off now that it is Maureen v Penelope in the suits with handbags bouts. OGL has been reduced to bossing 4th officials. Often wondered what was their purpose.

  47. Bard

    Sep 22, 2014, 19:11 #57778

    The debate about CB is slightly ridiculous. There is a thing called competition for places. As Jeff has argued there is only competition in midfield everywhere else its a done deal. It is scarcely believable that a club the size of Arsenal cant find a decent CB somewhere.

  48. GBP

    Sep 22, 2014, 17:37 #57777

    In fairness Jeff, i was talking about Lescott being a better option some years ago really. It was rumoured when Lescott was at Wolves that the Arsenal were looking at him, then Everton got him. It was then that we were striving with Mr Senderos and Campbell and Djourou et al as i recall so he is one who potentially got away.Once at City it was always going to take a lot to prize him away due to his wages, unless he lost his place in the glamour stakes there which has clearly happened. There are a few good lads who Arsenal have let pass them by doen the years. It seems obvious unless we re not aware of the transfer shenanigans that prevail at the time, which we re not really.I always think of Alonso and Schwartzer as two who it seemed we could have got. Cahill possibly, though im sure Terry makes him look better than he really is, as he did Carvalho and Gallas all those years didnt he. Where i disagree with you is that we cant really have a few too many comparable players to those who are first choice and hope to keep them happy. Its only Chelsea and City who can and they lose a few for the lack of opportunities. Lest face it, if you were a good quality CB and asked to join us to fight Mertersacker with the likelihood that he would win the fight, you wouldn't touch us would you especially where another Club told you that you were a first pick, unless we offered silly money, which Arsenal wont.

  49. jeff wright

    Sep 22, 2014, 17:08 #57776

    GBP ,ta for the advice albeit a case of people in glass houses and all that ... regarding Lescot what you say about him wanting to play is true but whatever happened to fighting for your place ...>? the only area where Wenger has players fighting like dogs over a bone for a place is in midfield and that is part of the problem that we have. As I said though I would prefer Lescot to Mertesacker let them fight it out for a starting place but Wenger calls the shots and on 8m a year it is up to him to keep players happy rather a few though leave rather disgruntled with him. . My point though was that there are players out there who Wenger can sign but he chooses not to do so - for whatever reason - rather than that there are no players or ones that are not better than what we already have . That is nonsense . Wenger and Stan spend money and buy players at just the amount required to keep at least a 4th place spot and not a dime more than that.Winning the league is not a priority it's just a bonus if somehow against all odds it should occur . Z9H

  50. GBP

    Sep 22, 2014, 16:21 #57775

    Jeff - Lescott isnt a back up type. He wants to play. We need back up as PM and LK are Wengers stick on choices. Its a presumption of yours now then is it, not a gteed availability? Me negative about Arsenal? I give up with you and as for 'sniping'if you cant take it, dont dish it out is best advice surely. Theres a few of you who enjoy the troughing up of it and cant take a hit back.

  51. maguiresbridge gooner

    Sep 22, 2014, 16:18 #57774

    DWT, they certainly could and would with (what has already been alluded to on here)the proper man in charge who can get the most and best out of the players and make us feared again, a manager who knows his tactics and with fresh ideas to shake the place up instead of a tired old man living in a time warp who just muddles along refusing to change or adapt because as you say his ego won't allow it.

  52. jeff wright

    Sep 22, 2014, 16:02 #57773

    Well I would presume that if Lescot was sold by City then he must have been available . GBP you are the on who should give up watching football or posting comments about it . Your constant sniping at others while posting the exact negative views that you rant at them for allegedly posting are legendary ,are you Comical Ali in disguise! I was at a lot of the games in the 2003-4 season and just took things from game to game as I recalled what happened in 91. I expected us to beat Villa and thought that your bedwetter like we will lose or get a draw was a bit limp . I expect us to beat the spuds as well but am not so sure about Chelsea away. Now come on if you couldn't see us beating Villa a venue where Wenger has never lost in the league in 15 years then Chelsea away against a manager that Wenger has never beaten must be a suicide job for you !

  53. BADARSE

    Sep 22, 2014, 15:54 #57772

    Somewhere beyond the Dark Side of the Moon, a spacecraft travels-it is the Red Dwarves. Bardshoppinglister is having a bad day, 'It's been a million years since we won a trophy!'. 'Er, no sir, not quite that long, in fact we won one last month, and one three months before that.' says Krythiccupten. 'Yeah, I know Krytyhiccup, it must be something to do with space bending-it seems that long.' 'May I suggest sir, it's your mind that's bending a little, remember you couldn't quite grasp it was only eight trophyless years we endured, not nine.' 'Ooh, whee, lookit that beauty!' says DW(CA)T. 'I must be good I feel on fire today, lookit that sticking up on my head-I look like a unicorn.' 'Yeah DW(CA)T, it's a quiff, that's all. Stop all this daft reflecting.' says Bardshopinglister. 'Why shouldn't he Bardy boy? It gives me something to complain about. That is important to me and gives me a raison d'etre.' says jeffer, 'Didn't know I had Froggy blood, did you?' 'Be quiet jeffer, you're a hologram, and definitely not a French one. You're not real, we could just switch you off. You know we make you up.' says Bardshoppinglister. 'Ah, hang on just a diddly-o-minute Bardy boy, I may be a hologram but I have my feelings.' 'No you don't. You never had any when you were alive, so you are just programmed to repeat on the same loop. Incessantly following a predictable pattern.' "magHollybridge to crew, magHollybridge to crew, danger. I see danger." 'What is it, magHollybridge?' says Bardshoppinglister. "Oh, it's nothing. I just thought the Arsenal had won again, but it was last week's bulletin I'd transposed. Stand down, everyone relax." 'Er, sir, there is the distinct possibility that Arsenal may win again on Saturday, so are you prepared? I see you have a sock in your hand, but is that sufficient?' questioned Krythiccupten. 'Yeah, it's me favourite sock, the one with two blue hoops'. says a grinning Bardshoppinglister. 'We can always just go around again, spitting out the same furballs, weee!' says DW(CA)T, as he spins around in his chair. 'Oh, I can't stand the thought of it I'm off.' says Bardshoppinglister. 'But where are you going sir?' says a worried-looking Krythiccupten. 'To the stasis. I've had enough with all this winning, I just hope I don't have a one thousand year dream of Arsene Kochanski, because these strides are very tight.' In Memory of JAMIE.

  54. GBP

    Sep 22, 2014, 15:52 #57771

    Jeff - You ll have to locate my post saying anything other than Sanogo is worth persisting with, which i repeat for the record. Dont look too hard and long though as you wont find one. As for Lescott, perhaps you ll inform as to your source that 'Lescott was available'? Did he tell you personally he would drop his City salary for one at Arsenal? Did AW tell you he actually wanted him? Your in flower land again Jeff. Im sure you must have lived in California in or about 1967. Scott McKenzie had you in mind im sure when he sung of flowers and psychedelic imaginations, its a pity that it wasnt Arsenal who you loved though. Youre a glutton for punishment and never give up Jeff, ill say that for you.

  55. jeff wright

    Sep 22, 2014, 15:38 #57770

    The big problem for Wenger is that he has been 18 years at AFC and is now back in the comfort zone again after the FAC win and with his newly signed 8m a year contract covering him for the next 2 seasons after this one. Prior to the belated FAC win last season he had presided over 9 years of relying on finishing mainly 4th in the Prem to justify his management by winning qualifier ties against modest Euro opposistion. This was to produce the Champions League football cash,note not the trophy.The trophy according to Wenger being the 4th place finish. He said that ,not me and it really sums up what Wenger's management now days is all about ,money making . Many supporters want to see a change in this approach from that of a financial one to that of a geniune attempt to compete for the two top prizes the Prem and European Cup rather than us just making up the numbes per see.This was clearly demonstrated by the robust cries of ,buy a *****ng striker ! At the Leicester game that were directed toward a pale-faced stressed out Wenger and heard by Stan himself who was checking things out . Wenger had insisted that a striker was not needed, a view fully supported by GBP and the other usual suspects on here , and had played his latest attempt at finding the next Anelka, the ex-French postman Sanago. A player with all the dexterity of a Bull in a China shop.It just looks as though Wenger and Stan are still happy to settle for a minor role ,but profitable one,in the greater scheme of things . Players are not there apparently when Wenger says they are not or he already has better than what is available . GBP despite attempts to claim that Wenger is hamstrung by no decent center backs having been available then destroys his case by pointing out that Lescot was available .You couldn't make it up. Seeing that Wenger sells so many players to City , to bring in the despised Petro money for Stan to hoard, it surely would not have been that difficult to get Lescot to join us rather than West Brom ? Personally I would prefer him to the lumbering BFG because he could have provided the leadership at the back that we lack. Obviously though Chambers at his age provides a more financially attractive package with a sell on value that an older player like Lescot would not bring to the party . In Stan and monsieur Wonga land the finances are always top top priority.

  56. BADARSE

    Sep 22, 2014, 15:12 #57769

    On the subject of tipping results my household had us down for a 1-2 victory-all three of us! So there jeff wright, ha ha. We were all pleased to be proven wrong too. I'm not making it up, as you know, you can't! Well put GBP-we will get them eating out of the same bowl as us, ha ha.

  57. GBP

    Sep 22, 2014, 15:03 #57768

    Ha HA. Good old Jeff. Never let what posters actually say get in the way of a brainless rant will you. Yawwwn! The invincible s had dodgy days defensively was my posting and a poster who i can respect (Tony Evans) agreed. Have you lambasted Tony yet or are you working on it? You clearly ever saw much football in 2001 to 2004 if you think otherwise. If my comment reflected no belief in the invincible s, then have it your way if you must. Your imagination is always florid, borderline psychotic in fact.Perhaps you were following Tottenham then as ive often thought no Gunners fan would be as consistently acidic towards the Club as you are every day. Why dont you give up football? You're clearly pained by it? on your Villa point, its right i forecast a 1-0 loss or a draw. What's the problem with me being pleased to be wrong? You're wrong every day and many posters prove you to be. You should try deriving some pleasure from it you deluded old illusionist, the very features you accuse Wenger of possessing.You couldn't make it up!

  58. GBP

    Sep 22, 2014, 14:47 #57767

    KC - Respect your view. Agree fully re away day problems over the last few years. Ive suffered most of them as im sure you have! Im genuinely of the view that the correct Centre back to buy simply hasnt been there for quite some years and a LB too. Lots of very average performers have been flogged about here and there. Im no Mertersacker fan but he and Koschielny have been the best we ve been able to get i think, though ive always rated Lescott who played great for WBA by all accounts. There is a case for an outright DM as well though im not sure Wenger believes in a place in the team for such a defined, narrow and limited role and its a position thats gone out of vogue with most bigger Clubs in recent years. Arteta isnt the man, this is correct too. Personally im more a fan of the whole team protecting its back line than one man. Leaving one man, tends to create a feeling in the rest of the team that the one man will deal with things that the whole team can ignore ie too much reliance isnt good. Ive looked at Barry a lot over the years .Hes the closest to what many are shouting for right now. He gets relied on yet even now, he fronts a porous defence at Everton. Do these issues we face justify the sacking of a respected Coach who gets us top 4 each Season? I cant say it does. The gap between the issue and the remedy at Arsenal isn't near cavernous enough to justify us throwing the panic switch in my view. Yes, AW needs to scrutinise things, ill agree with all of you there. Ive always leaned towards better coaching support for AW though im not sure hes got it in Bould whos own playing style suggested that the notion of knitting an offensively styled team to a good defence isn't one that would come easy to him. Its a difficult thing to manage in the absence of unlimited funds for any Coach. Its the latter that has allowed Chelsea to do it for so long. Im confident that the predicted big game away day thrashings of last Season wont occur this time. Man City was a freak result last Season, though the other beatings were merited even though we were playing with effectively no midfield when we lost 3-0 away at Everton last April. Ill stand corrected and willingly change my tack on matters Wenger if they are repeated and you can hold me to that KC. Hes got faults and is far from perfect, but im far from reaching for the big hammer to crack a nut remedy as yet. The ludicrous assumption that those of us who back Wenger are blind to his failings though is so far from the reality of things as Badarse has pointed out yet again today.

  59. BADARSE

    Sep 22, 2014, 14:16 #57766

    KC, respect buddy. Spoken with heaps of red and white passion. Would echo those sentiments, however, and there has to be 'however' in there somewhere. In an analogous situation if a small child of your kin had opponents in the parents of another group of children, it would be playing into their hands if you volunteered a slither of info that he/she had misbehaved that morning on the way to school. Knowing that they are following an agenda it would be tantamount to putting your, (or the child's), head in a noose. A little clumsy but that I feel is often the battleground on this website. Lines are drawn in the sand and rocks are hurled. One of my best buddies is an impatient individual who espouses a similar line to some others on this site, those that I respect, as I do him. We all have different boiling points and things which affect us more than the next fan. We want roughly the same objectives, it is our route to goal which differs, generally.

  60. KC

    Sep 22, 2014, 13:54 #57765

    @Badarse - Real fans care, they have passion, they get upset when they lose, they feel great and content win they win. Real fans can also point out the obvious, be honest, lose the bias and get very frustrated when the power of the club is not utilised on the pitch. Being a nodding dog does not make you a better fan it just makes you a gullible one (not aimed at you). I believe I am a real fan but when a point has to be made I believe you make it. I am not happy to settle for being 4th I want 1st, appreciate that's difficult but the quality of defensive midfielder etc are not difficult to remedy. Acknowledging a player or players are not good enough is not not supporting, while at the same time knowing Ozil is quality but had been poor up until Saturday or that Ramsey is playing poorly, there is nothing wrong being honest a red and white shirt does not have to result in tinted glasses.

  61. BANK

    Sep 22, 2014, 13:49 #57764

    £173M IN THE BANK AND SHORT OF A PROPER DEFENSIVE MIDFIELDER. THIS IS LIKE PLAYING RUSSIAN ROULETTE THIS SEASON WITH OUR COVETED 4TH SPOT. PERSONALLY I WOULD HAVE GONE FOR £120M IN THE BANK AND KHEDIRA IN MY TEAM IN FRONT OF THE BACK 4 OR ONE STEP FURTHER £100M IN THE BANK ONLY AND ANOTHER CENTRE HALF AS COVER / COMPETITION

  62. BADARSE

    Sep 22, 2014, 13:37 #57763

    KC, good post, and I am near to seeing with the same eyes as yourself. I do not go along with cowardly attacks, whether against the manager, a player, or a lad in the street. Most would agree with that criteria yet suspend their principles over an abyss when it comes to doing a hatchet job on Arsene Wenger. We shall see how this latest scenario plays out. Ah, Athoz, that was nice: 'Once more into my breeches, we shall shore up the shea sore shells seashells on a see-saw, with our English and French and German and Polish and Spanish and Chilean and Czech and Welsh dead! I come to play with Caesar not buy him, 'tis a dagger in my heart with these Darling Buds of May on this website; Toby, or not Toby, again that is the kestrel, whether 'tis nobler to suffer those slingbacks of outrageous Gok Wan, or take a pound of flesh, or half a kilo. Forsooth? Fortstooth? False boob? Fort Worth? Fourth's good? Ah, love Tennyson!

  63. DJ

    Sep 22, 2014, 12:52 #57762

    KC hit the nail on the head, it is the away games against the very best where we will be found wanting again because we have not altered our style or defensive personnel from previous seasons. It doesn’t stop me hoping upon hope that I am proved wrong but after being sucked in last season believing we were genuine title contenders I won’t make that mistake again. Against all that negativity it was a pleasure to see Mesut played in his correct position and dictate the game like the true world class player he was and can hopefully can return to.

  64. Ozzie

    Sep 22, 2014, 12:50 #57761

    "...they have their exits and their entrances - and one man? in his time plays many parts - his acts being seven pages - At first the infant mewling and puking in the manager's arms - the whining schoolboy with his satchel - returns when all has quietened down...."

  65. Torbay gooner

    Sep 22, 2014, 12:45 #57760

    KC, good post. Much better performance against a side that clearly struggled with their illness issues(glad Bent did not play given his record against us). We really should swat the scum aside next weekend and the litmus test will be if we can play well and get a result against Chelski. Would of course love to beat them, but would gladly settle for a decent performance and a point at worst. However,can our manager come up with a game plan that allows us to frustrate them by playing on the counter and keeps our full backs in our own half, when the attack breaks down!

  66. Real Fan

    Sep 22, 2014, 12:44 #57759

    @BADARSE - Real fans want success - even if that may be judged differently from club to club. At Arsenal, success = challenging for trophies and winning trophies. In the end, sentiment for players and manager will disappear when they cease to provide what the fans want.

  67. Tony Evans

    Sep 22, 2014, 12:37 #57758

    Westie - 10 games in isolation compared with the evidence of the last, God knows, how many seasons. I don't know how you have the brass neck to deny what is so obvious. I'll accept that Wenger, compared to many other managers, is obviously a cut above (having kept us top 4 for so long) but his faults can't be air-brushed away like that. He does leave the squad short - up front last year and at the back this year are two obvious examples; his tactics are dubious to say the least at away games v top sides when a more pragmatic approach is called for; and he does play players out of position - Bendtner, Arshavin and Ozil to name three. Not that I thought much of Bendtner anyway, but stuck out wide - what was that all about?

  68. maguiresbridge gooner

    Sep 22, 2014, 12:33 #57757

    KC, good post when has this old has been of a manager ever learned anything, after all these years of being told/spun by OGL and players that we've learned from this or that and never have or do, we're hardly going to start now. So I think we know the answers to your questions especially the last one.

  69. Bard

    Sep 22, 2014, 12:30 #57756

    KC, I couldnt agree more but youre wasting youre breath. Many on here are more wedded to fantasy than reality. It is blindingly obvious that you cant win anything with a dodgy defence.

  70. David

    Sep 22, 2014, 12:30 #57755

    Further statistical data to use against AW: the player signed against his wishes (Danny W) has already improved his goals to games ratio to 1:3, as opposed to 1:4.5 for Man U. And this after only 3 games! What more evidence is required? AMG

  71. KC

    Sep 22, 2014, 12:20 #57754

    @GBP - I am not in the camp that believes Wenger has no idea or has not achieved great things. But I am also very honest and try to avoid denying the truth. Our team is capable of beating anyone at home but away from home against good sides we lack steel, discipline, organisation and tactical awareness. This is not open to debate the results speak for themselves. As an Arsenal season ticket holder who would like to challenge for the title and the Champions league I fully appreciate that unless Wenger takes the defensive side of the game more seriously we will not win these competitions. I don't like defensive football but do want us to be defensively competent you have to be to win major trophies. We will go on good runs but they will quickly come to halt when we meet the best. Its this obvious conclusion which makes so many so frustrated, results speak for themselves you can not hid from them or keep making excuses.

  72. BADARSE

    Sep 22, 2014, 12:10 #57753

    OK gentlefolk, time to take a bow. Mesut has thanked those who supported him and the team, especially those fans who were behind him and helped give him self-belief and encouragement. He insists it was a very nice thing, and playing a little differently, with a bit of reorganising has helped him and the team. So well done to all those-and you know who you are-it showed you are real Arsenal fans. I too am pleased with your behaviour and maturity. That's what a real fan does. So take that bow, and a 'wow', that's a bow-wow. Whoops, sounds like we have pack of yelping hounds on this website.

  73. Westlower

    Sep 22, 2014, 11:20 #57752

    @Tony Evans, Being devoid of quality cover, tactical nous & players out of position has resulted in us going 10 PL games unbeaten. Is that not a consistent run? Last PL defeat was at Goodison on April 6th. If we can keep putting together a run of similar proportions after a defeat it'll auger well for the rest of the season.

  74. jeff wright

    Sep 22, 2014, 11:18 #57751

    Good morning world ! ...It's good fun on here today what a difference a result makes in Dreamland ... you couldn't make it up .. we have Aristotle Badarse advising that we are on the verge of greatness having turned the corner at Villa... but hold on a mo he then warns us that... we may not have though who knows ...? Indeed ...obviously not you Badass However he does tell us to keep the faith .. .Question ? What faith ? BGP on the other hand who was never convinced by the Invincibles and who on Friday admitted to not being happy with everything that Arsene is doing... is now after the stupendous win at Villa is now once again wallowing in self satisfaction although he was edging his bets on Friday regarding how things might transpire. The posts are out there. What about Peter though where is he today he who predicted before the City game that Chelsea would lose and we would be the only side unbeaten . Well done Peter . Never mind you can still post using one of your other names such as Mystic Meg. Westie informs us that the odds on us winning the League have shortened dramatically to 9-1 after the shock draw between City and Chelsea. Punters everywhere are rushing to get bets on us. Ladbrokes say they will go broke if Wenger wins the League although admitting that a punter who had 50p on Pigs flying before the next Ramadam has more chance of collecting on his wager. Up at City though disgruntled United supporters are ringing chat shows pretendin to be City ones to say that Pellergrini has taken them as far as he can and that was to play Arsenal once in a money making stunt in Beijing . Jamie thinks that 8 points from 15 is better than 10 he also thinks that 2 and 2 makes 3 . The good news is that leaving aside the Capital Cup, a trophy that Arsene once said he would not bother celebrating winning... he never had to worry about that though because he has lost both finals that he has been in, it is just the off-the boil spuds in our next cameo at home and they can always be relied on to provide a timely boost to morale in times of need. Most of us though will wait and see how Wenger fares in his ongoing one sided losing affair with Mourinho when we visit the bridge of sighs before deducing that fings reallyare looking up ... I will be Tenirife when that game is played so fingers crossed for a better result than last season . It's horrible hearing all that sniggering and laughing in a bar when Wenger's exposed yet again as being Inspector Clueless when facing the better sides .

  75. JAMIE

    Sep 22, 2014, 9:19 #57750

    BADARSE-I don't want to encourage you at all,but I think it must be time for another one of your sketches.The players are all ready the scene set just waiting on the writer.

  76. Tony Evans

    Sep 22, 2014, 9:03 #57749

    D W Thomas - Even though GBP refuses to acknowledge it what you say is bang on for me. Whilst it is great to win games like Saturday's it means little when the next poor performance is just over the horizon. Consistency is the key word and an ability to get results away from home against the top sides. The other issues you mention - the lack of quality cover, the lack of tactical nous and playing players out of position is also spot on.

  77. Tony Evans

    Sep 22, 2014, 8:49 #57748

    Good to see us bounce back after the midweek horror show. At last Wenger played Ozil in his favoured position and also, as Gooner Ron said, we played the game out nicely in the second half. Have to agree with A and F though, we have to improve against the top sides to really be considered title challengers.

  78. GBP

    Sep 22, 2014, 8:47 #57747

    Badarse - 61027/61035. Sterling posts but don't confuse them. Black or white rules supreme on Planet valium. You ll have them in the red zone for overheat and circuits shorting out and sparking to burndown everywhere expecting these pilgrims to look between the lines of argument. Most of these are the types who were phoning 5 live yesterday pm shouting for Rodgers and Van Gaal to be sacked and Pellegrini deemed as having taken City as far as he could go. Quote the hindsight wisdom genius Jeff - you couldn't make it up!

  79. Westlower

    Sep 22, 2014, 8:32 #57746

    @TJ That 11th man you played midweek always let you down! CFC's price to win PL shortened to 4/9 (69.1%) when leading 1-0. The Man U defeat not dissimilar to our 4-4 at NU with the ref awarding a soft penalty for the home side to get them back into the game. Refs continue to influence the outcome of a football match. How much will results change when the managers can challenge two referring decisions per game?

  80. GBP

    Sep 22, 2014, 8:32 #57745

    DW Thomas - Oh dear. The Club really missed the boat not sacking Wenger and appointing you didnt they? All 'these simple problems' to fix then would just disappear like a wisp of smoke in the wind. Unbelievable. 'Fickle', 'ego', players 'out of position'. Do you you never get fed up of churning out the same old tiresome empty and unsubstantiated drivel? The day the Club disregards profits, you ll not have a Club to bellyache, bitch and whinge about and then you ll be struck dumb. Did you notice how your Messiah bosses got on yesterday? Will you cry and groan for 3 years about Van Gaals collapse at Leicester like you've done about ours at Newcastle? Of course you wont! Airbrush it away, like you do everything else. You really must try harder.

  81. BADARSE

    Sep 22, 2014, 8:25 #57744

    There is a danger in life of following the George W. approach. With or against, black or white, in or out. Life my sweetie's isn't quite like that, though on occasions circumstances can hoodwink you into believing it is, be on guard! Coaching at any level is the same thing-looking at resources available shuffling the pack in your mind, setting out a stall with all of the personal idiosyncrasies at play, and sending out the troops. Then it is hope which is uppermost. A situation may develop to push you in a direction, often you gamble and it comes off, or it doesn't. It is like three-dimensional chess. People stand or fall, in terms of reputation or respect, by outcomes. Anyone who can bombastically slate Arsene Wenger for shortcomings-which I may even concur with myself-should therefore also be able to take a critical eye to his rivals. Sadly the agenda and dislike/hatred gets in the way of rational thought. Take the scales from your eyes, and recognise that the gap between him and any worthwhile rival is wafer-thin in truth, each with their own devils which ride on their backs permanently, whispering mantras in their ears. We are quite fortunate to have him, he is not without faults, he is human. We may be turning a corner, who knows, it may be that same roundabout we have mistaken for a corner on many occasions. Keep the faith. Gooners together.

  82. Edmund

    Sep 22, 2014, 6:25 #57743

    A great weekend for Arsenal. Every one of our rivals dropped points. Ozil in form and Welbeck opening his accounts. Happy days.

  83. Ozzie

    Sep 22, 2014, 5:43 #57742

    Wow, what results! How fortuitous for The Arsenal. Maybe the gap between the haves and have nots really IS closing? More weekends like this and those odd draws might be useful after all. Stunning weekend of footy.

  84. Mathew

    Sep 22, 2014, 5:43 #57741

    So this weekend Chelsea, Man City, Man Utd, Liverpool, Spurs and Everton all failed to win, bizzare, Arsenal smiling. I would still reserve my comments for a big match, i feel we will be tested big time by Chelsea and City.

  85. Malaysian gunner

    Sep 22, 2014, 5:40 #57740

    The defeat of MU shd be learned by Wenger. A team may have a wc attack but if there is no spine,it will be useless.That is why the so is so special. He's pragmatic. He doesn't go all out on the attack and he got a point. Wenger better rein in his attacking instincts.At 3-0,I was fearful of the NU nightmare. Fortunately maybe the lesson were learned and digested . The next game against Spuds will really tell us how far the gunners can go.The former will be itching to put a spanner in the Arsenal bandwagon and you can rest assured ,time and space will be denied to the gunners even if it means hacking a gunner and risking a rc.

  86. DW Thomas

    Sep 22, 2014, 0:42 #57739

    I actually believe this team, if all are healthy, can defeat anyone on its day. However, lack of team discipline and a big ego on the manager's part undermine what is possible. The team is too fickle. Show up one game, play poor the next. Consistency, even Wenger know it. The same big issue is lack of quality cover in the areas needed and playing players in the wrong positions/tactics. We see the same repeated problems year I year out. I still enjoy wins like the Villa game, but they lead to nowhere as each season now. Even our "unbeaten" runs and time at the top is numbered. We all know it. And it's all fixable as they are simple problems to fix and have been there for ages. Millions in the bank and no repairs and there is no other way to see it. We are a club that prioritizes profits. Until that changes we can expect no major changes. Just paper. Over. Cracks.

  87. JAMIE

    Sep 22, 2014, 0:29 #57738

    Nobody has yet come up with an answer as to why so many of these 'TACTICAL GENIUS' managers seem to come unstuck.Surely one of either Rodgers,Martinez,Van Gall,Pochettino,Mourinho or Peligrini could have tactically geniused a win for one of their teams.

  88. BADARSE

    Sep 21, 2014, 23:13 #57737

    Hiccup, I know it won't be understood, or if there is a faint chance it is, it will be unceremoniously forgotten, but I do not count myself as a 'pro-Wenger', nor I would say do those you place in the same camp. I support the manager of Arsenal Football Club. I have personal criticisms of his decision-making on occasions, nothing more. I salute all he has ever achieved at my club, and continues to achieve. Simples! By the way did anyone notice that Lineker was on his best behaviour because Martin Keown was in the studio? He always is and knows better than to offer little snide digs in his presence. With that in mind it would be good if both offerings of the AFC support took the same initiative, whether a critic of the manager,(and most things AFC), or a defender of the said person or persons. Recently it has been noted that we can rub along, a little raspingly on occasions but with a degree of harmony, and we know what that can bring-victory! Oh and jeff wright, I would have posted, as I did at the first opportunity; also I don't lie, as you know and have always known, and as for my being a tipster, well you know how good/lucky I am at that too. So as the weekend slips away into tomorrow, a time of reflection gentlefolk. A rare weekend which saw the might of Liverpool and Everton both beaten. MU, losing a two goal lead and the game against the new boys of Leicester-a team we should have beaten. The Sours enduring a second consecutive ninety minutes without a goal, and losing at home to the bottom of the league. A high placed Swansea side losing at home, the two money clubs drawing, with a red card and an 'old boy' ruining the party, and of course another unbeaten club AV, falling to us, and at home. All in all a weekend to savour. Good old Arsenal.

  89. KC

    Sep 21, 2014, 22:29 #57736

    Some posts on here are written by people who just believe what they want based on a loyalty to wenger. A great win yesterday , great that both Ozil and Danny got their goals, cheered me up. But I know the reality is we are still far to short defensively to challenge cfc and city, the big test is cfc away, can we defend? Can we make them have to work for their goals? Or will we just turn up gung-ho play into their hands and show nothing has changed. I hope wenger has learnt from last season but no defensive midfielder and lack of cover defensively indicates he has not, but cfc away is the game to use to make an honest judgement.

  90. jeff wright

    Sep 21, 2014, 22:02 #57735

    jjetplane with Wenger it's a case of him having been too long in the comfort zone . He's not under pressure anyway like other top club managers are to win the Prem or European Cup. His most successful illusion was to convince his sheep like followers that 4th place is a trophy. This is why they meekly accept 6-0 thumpings off Mourinho and go loco over beating sides outside the top 4 knowing that if Arsene wins against these teams then the 4th place trophy is his. It's good fun though watching the AKB's wriggling and squirming to try and pretend that this is not the case when all of the evidence says that it is. You couldnt make it up. Winning less points in the first 5 games than last season is portrayed as being a great start because we are unbeaten - this is typical AKB delusional nonsense too many draws can be worse in a run of games than losing a couple of games - and any draw at home is 2 points dropped and not a good result. Pellegrini would have been happy with a point away last weekend but not with dropping 2 at home to his biggest rival when already points behind him.......... I get the impression with Finsbury Joe that he believes every season that Wenger will hit the buffers in his 4th place trophy hunt,but it never happens and he tends to overrate the spuds anyway . Wage bills play a big part and Wenger with our 4th highest bill near 170m with 8m of that going into his bank account has an edge over the clubs below top 4 This however does beg the question why he often makes hard work of getting 4th ........... I heard someone say that there has been a change of rules now by Uefa and the winners of the Ropey Cup this term will get a CL League place in leagues that have 4th such as us . I recall the spuds finishing 4th once and having to play in the Ropey because Chelsea who finished out side the top 4 had won the European Cup and took their place in the following season.

  91. jjetplane

    Sep 21, 2014, 21:06 #57734

    We are more Utd (Everton, Liverpool) than the big boys who still build from the back. Even Everton have gone too attack-minded though I still would like to see a Martinez at Arseanl. He would relish the challenge and would get the players to build a solid unit and not the inconsistencies of one player good one match/another goes off the boil. Been like that at Arsenal for years and it is hard to predict from week to week. There is a lack of football discipline about and players are allowed to drift into twilight zones without anyone seemingly pulling them up. Some people talk about the long gone booze culture but what we have now is even more inexcusable as players are treated like ha ha Egyptian ****ing Mummies! Anybody got a date on when Diaby is back. Finsbury Joe is an alright guy who talks as much sense as many on here but if we don't beat the souring we really are up one surreal swanee. Would have been a lot more fun if Lampard had got that second. Everyone back on the ropes. It really is to Wenger's advantage to make inroads. How does that movie go again.

  92. TJ

    Sep 21, 2014, 20:59 #57733

    @Westlower, Spurs made 10 changes from their Europa League game...

  93. JAMIE

    Sep 21, 2014, 20:52 #57732

    I suppose if Arsenal beat Chelsea then the DM's will have to compare us with another team maybe the intergalactic all stars.Bard I found the City Chelsea game a bit of a bore fest with Chelsea just sitting ten men behind the ball not a patch on the quality of Arsenal City the other week.In fact Pelligrini said Chelsea don't have a big club attitude to games.

  94. jeff wright

    Sep 21, 2014, 20:12 #57731

    Seeing as Wenger has never won a game against Mourinho is it not time that he ended this embarrassing record? Or is there some plausible reason why he can't manage do that ? It can't be a financial thingy because managers with less resources than clever Arsene have whipped Jose and will do so again . Even Fat Sam managed a credible draw last term at the bridge and it was lowly Gus Poyet’s Sunderland who won there to end the 'special one's' unbeaten at home and not Wenger who got thrashed 6-0 . You couldn't make it up . My view on why Wenger never beats Mourinho and struggles against all top managers is down to him being so predictable with his tactics .They know exactly how he will play his cards .The lesser clubs managers also know this,but the difference in class between them and our players kicks-in and so Wenger mainly beats these sides often against the run of play overall . Albeit there are still a few dodgy results against these lower opponents every season and that is also the case normally with the other top sides making the head to head games between them so important. It's the double whammy of winning 3 points and depriving a rival of them. Mourinho will be gutted tonight after losing that 1-0 goal lead to 10 man City at Poundlands although judging by the way he set out his stall tactically he would have taken a draw before the game was played if offered it. I reckon that if a more tactical astute manager with energy and buccaneering ambition than Wenger managed the current players that we have then the results against top sides would improve. The spuds are no top cats though more like pussies and with us playing at home it looks like 3 points with no possible reason to put forth to suggest otherwise. Even Finsbury Joe would struggle to come up with any. Right Joe?

  95. Bard

    Sep 21, 2014, 19:51 #57730

    Some thoroughly entertaining posts, great fun. I am having a bit of a problem seeing beating Villa as evidence that we are now championship contenders. The City Chelsea game was a step up from anything I have watched this season. I don't see us anywhere near that level physically technically or any other way. we look more like Untd, good going forward crap at the back. I would expect that more spankings are in the offing. There is a desperation in some of the pro Wenger postings. Most on here watch too much football and are too knowledgeable to believe that the good ship Wenger is all its cracked up to be. We are one defensive injury away from a crisis, unless of course the genius has another Kallstrom up his sleeve.

  96. jjetplane

    Sep 21, 2014, 19:49 #57729

    That's some hangover!

  97. Th14afc

    Sep 21, 2014, 19:48 #57728

    Finsbury joe- ur quiet today,any reason?i thought after today's game arsenal were going to b out of the Ucl places according to you?mug

  98. GBP

    Sep 21, 2014, 19:26 #57727

    Bit more of the a la carte hindsight wisdom there. if they removed it off the menu, you doomsayers would be struck dumb. You had money on a 3-5 at Leicester i suppose? You cdt make it up!! Cheer up buddy, we wont win every week and you can enthuse again then. Yaaawn. If we do OK at Chelsea what will he be judged by after that? Talk about desperate for new brick bats.

  99. maguiresbridge gooner

    Sep 21, 2014, 19:25 #57726

    Where's Wally, your behind the times mate, yesterday it was 2,000 games, and he's still clueless.

  100. maguiresbridge gooner

    Sep 21, 2014, 19:10 #57725

    Hi Berry, good post but how long will it last until OGL has another brain fart.

  101. JAMIE

    Sep 21, 2014, 19:05 #57724

    Highlight of the day was Fat Frank coming on to a rousing reception from the chavy/posh retards to super frank and that awful mowing song when suddenly he nets the equaliser and the singing stops.Also going by the logic on here all the other top teams must be garbage as they all lost to so called lesser teams this weekend and Costa and Aguero must be garbage as they both failed to score in the big game.Costa by the way is rubbish as he's never scored an international goal.BADARSE Looking forward to the magical mystery sketch as the DM's have had it too easy lately.

  102. Hiccup

    Sep 21, 2014, 18:30 #57723

    You're on to something there Westie. Let's hope wenger uses the same ploy in our next CL game. Get the team kitted up, send them out with the same clear instructions to stroll about like they don't give a f*ck, and then we'll be fresh as daisies for the weekend game.

  103. Westlower

    Sep 21, 2014, 18:28 #57722

    Best odds available after today's games. To win PL: CFC 8/11 (57.7%), Man City 3/1 (25%), AFC 9/1 (10%), Man U 22/1 (4.3%), Liverpool 25/1 (3.8%), Sours 150/1 (no chance), Everton 400/1 (no chance). AFC now Evens (50%) to finish top 3, 1/3 (75%) to finish top 4. Best prices available for next Saturdays game; AFC 4/5 (55.5%), Draw 11/4 (26.7%), Sours 7/2 (22.2%). Total % of 104.4%. Anything over 100% is the bookies theoretical profit.

  104. Man United Killer

    Sep 21, 2014, 18:23 #57721

    We win one game against a side that we realy SHOULD be winning against Arsene FC fans are out in full force.Where is your ambition? Who are ya?

  105. jeff wright

    Sep 21, 2014, 18:16 #57720

    Hiccup, the odds are real ones and they reflect the reality of what we, based on all know stats and facts ,form, the managers record etc, are likely to achieve or to not achieve. Odds on to get 4th place in the Prem ,big odds on offer to not win it and deja vu the European Cup. Regarding United it seems that Wenger just can't fire our players up these days to beat them, there were no excuses last season for not doing it so why why should it be any different this time around? They were worse last season under Moyes. City and Chelsea are in a league of their own while we under Wenger are capable of beating the ordinary sides as we did one yesterday we always come up short against the better ones. City at home Dortmund away. We were worse than United were today against Dortmund,who had some top players out, but somehow got away with it.......... Hey Jude.J Iwas musing over why it is that the AKB's are not commenting on 'Rambo's' poor displays after lecturing his critics ,even calling them idiots , when he had that early season bout of unexpected form. I'm always dubiousaboutplayers who suddenly sprout wings and fly ,so to speak, because usually it's not long before they crash back to Earth. Ramsey was already struggling anyway to maintain his early season heroics in games at United and elsewhere so using him being out injured was just more old tosh. As with Ozil we need players performing against the big sides ,not just the small ones and th little Turk has a rap sheet as long as Wenger's arm for going AWOL when the going gets tough... Peter my advice to you is to give up the crystal ball gazing .

  106. Westlower

    Sep 21, 2014, 18:07 #57719

    Curse of the Europa League on Sours & Everton both losing today. AFC only team to win this weekend after midweek Euro games. Martinez for Wenger anyone?

  107. Jude J.

    Sep 21, 2014, 17:44 #57718

    Jeff wright, you pose a question that nobody seems willing to discuss about Ramsey’s worryingly woeful form, mate. The brief answer is that, at least thus far, the “old” Ramsey has returned – the one whose only redeeming qualities are that he runs his socks off and he doesn’t hide – which is laudable, but ultimately not good enough. There are loads of excuses on his behalf based on the goodwill he earned from last year’s performances, which I understand, but the fact remains that there are players who deserve to play ahead of him on current form (Jack, Alex and Tomas, to name a few). He had a brilliant season last year, but he needs to stop reading his own press and work towards proving it wasn’t a one off.

  108. Hiccup

    Sep 21, 2014, 17:29 #57717

    Welcome back badarse. It's a privilege to be invited to the panto. Just make sure you and Jamie don't run like pigs from a gun again after the next annihilation. To be honest, you've been missed, as the pro wenger club have been rudderless without you. Jeff, thanks for the odds. Are they accurate or just made up like from our resident bookmaker. Do you have the odds on us beating United this season. We were the only team not to beat them last year, but even I'm optimistic we can beat them. Or am I being daft? Wenger will probably set up not to lose against them again?

  109. jeff wright

    Sep 21, 2014, 17:20 #57716

    Should be doing worse in the Prem and in Europe compared to same games played last season.It's true honest !

  110. jeff wright

    Sep 21, 2014, 17:07 #57715

    It was no big shock to see us win at Villa no big shock either to see United sore 3 and concede 5 ,with the same defence that MK Dons trashed recently . The spuds were hammered by Liverpool at home recently as well and if a side as out of form as Rodgers one can do that then anything is possible . The forthcoming game away to Chelsea will be what Wenger is judged by he is not doing worse in the Prem and actually worse also in Europe compared with last season. 2 wins in the Prem out of 5 is nothing to get excited about . Latest odds from William Hill forus winning the Prem are 11-1 .Why not have it in a double with the European Cup where we are priced at 28-1 to win it. odds of 4/5 to finish 3rd or 4th look more realistic.

  111. BADARSE

    Sep 21, 2014, 17:04 #57714

    Got a borrowed routy toot toot router. 24601, it is so odd that the Dark Moanies reduce everything to black and white, even their Dark Lord does sometimes, though he is a cut above the rest usually. A defeat and they exalt in the failure, wanting a pound of flesh from the real fans, even if it's dressed up as coherent talk, and much of it is of course. There is still an underlying feeling of achievement, which is displayed in the posts. It is an, 'I told you so', approach. When we get beaten I am not good to be around for a while-it used to last the whole weekend, so I am growing wiser with age, yet these urchins must also be plagued by victory too. They look for the bounce of the ball going our way, a decision in our favour, criticising us for having the temerity to enjoy some good fortune-despite us getting the first 'break' of the season with Olivier, and then they gloss over all else. Do you remember how just trying to educate some into understanding that a midweek European game takes it's toll against rested opposition, especially an away game followed by an away Prem game. My grandchildren can even understand that concept. Anyway Hiccup, some funny posts, and I like you, and whoever you support it's fine by me. JAMIE am arranging a 'Magical Mystery' sketch for the Online virtual Xmas panto. I would like you as the Walrus, with the eggmen of maguiresbridge, Bard, AMG, DWT, Hiccup and jeff wright, trailing blindly across stage, with egg dripping from their faces. You? I just want you to lead them with a tether, but it's very important you have a big smile on your face. OK? Oh yes, and you get a big bag of jelly beans as an extra. Come on my redmen.

  112. AMG

    Sep 21, 2014, 16:16 #57713

    I think it's nap time little JAMIE, that last post was a cracker! Too much jelly and ice cream for you me thinks. Did Wenger really look light years ahead of Klopp on Tuesday, or did you miss that one as twas past your bedtime. Villa were very poor yesterday, after the goals went in they didn't look fussed and just let us play our pretty little shapes around the pitch and we barely created a chance after that, neither did they. I was actually very disappointed with them. Take nothing away from the victory, you can only beat what's put out in front of you. Nice to see Ozil playing with a bit of verve in his correct position, maybe OGL is capable of adapting sometimes, not that it will last. Hard to pick MOTM out of Ozil and Welbeck, both superb in different ways - Danny boy certainly looks 'light years' ahead of Giroud and Sanogoals. I may have to change my opinion of Gazidis and co if they keep forcing decent signings on old Arsene.

  113. Hiccup

    Sep 21, 2014, 16:15 #57712

    Praying for a Chelsea defeat so we can pick up the longest undefeated trophy next weekend in front of the spurs fans. Then we can make another serious assault on retaining our staying top the longest trophy.

  114. JAMIE

    Sep 21, 2014, 15:56 #57711

    GBP. The wob's love to make out all these little teams are nothing and should be brushed aside with little effort in an attempt just to belittle our successes though the regular fans know different.Villa is a hard place to go even the 1-1 at Leicester wasn't as bad as people made out especially as they have just thrashed manure 5-3.Victims were also thrashed at West Ham and the sours have just been outclassed at home by the bottom team West Brom managing just one shot on target,Finsbury and jeff must be absolutely gutted.The loyal fans will enjoy the triumphs more this season than the glory hunting dark moonies because we are about the good and the hard times whereas they say nothing good when we win yet hammer the team when we don't. Wenger still the daddy imho and still light years ahead of the tactical geniuses called Rodgers,Van Gall,Klopp and the rest of the wannabees the AMG's are so in love with..MARCUS where are you? You balloon headed fool.Also wob's have respect for the other sides and stop exalting yourself and putting the team down just because they don't fit in with your warped sensationalist tabloid talk sport way of thinking.Have some class pea brains.

  115. jjetplane

    Sep 21, 2014, 15:52 #57710

    Foxes are Foxeee! More fun than than seeing us beat off a virus and well done Baggies for peeing on da Europa boys. If Rooney had been sent off that would have capped it all. Not sure about chavs/****eh but Maureen having a fight with Toure would be a laugh. WESTIE you really need to enjoy the wins more and not allow us blinkered, moanie old moonies disrupt your undoubted Happiness with all things numerical. Go on Smile. I know you can do it. Baby squads and Filbert St - ha ha - those were the days! Ozil smiling - now that is a joyful picture. Well - good luck to our managerless team over the next 4. Win them and he really can go!

  116. Peter Wain

    Sep 21, 2014, 15:29 #57709

    what a glorious weekend. We win away, a cleansheet, the scum lose at home against a bottom of the table side and the mancs let a two goal league slip twice. Life does just not get any better than this.

  117. Hiccup

    Sep 21, 2014, 15:24 #57708

    United beaten. More importantly, any know the odds of that happening?

  118. Westlower

    Sep 21, 2014, 15:17 #57707

    3-1 up, 5-3 down, taxi for LVG....SPEND, SPEND, SPEND!! @DWT, Funny how the WOB's don't come back??

  119. DW Thomas

    Sep 21, 2014, 15:06 #57706

    GBP. Surely Ozil was MOTM, not Wellbeck. Finally played in his correct position he flourished? His gift of vision and skill was put to great use and he dominated when given the freedom. I was even I impressed with his defending. He seemed a man reborn! Yet, Ramsey looked poor all game and lacks the spark he had last season. He is trying, but should be benched to give Rosicky or others a chance. No excuse for playing him out of position. Great to win. However, Villa were a shambles for 5 minutes and we lit them up. We'll have to see whether Wenger can get the best from this team for a sustained period. More concerning is the backs situation. Gibbs looks way off, maybe he will improve with games. No cover at right back yesterday, only Coquelin (crazy!!) to fill in? That is utter ineptitude in transfers as Chambers looks very raw and needs time to bed in. Lately he looks no better than Jenkinson. Funny how the Wenger lackeys come back full force with this win. GBP as others have routinely said, your lack of ambition and blind support of your hero help continue the malaise at the club. We have much more ammunition to support his removal and you know it. The truth can be scary, I agree. I also believe results, that's titles or a strong fight for them, not 4th, should be what he is judged on. The collapses of years past have been ample reasons for his firing. Yet greed rules all doesn't it? Victoria Concordia Crescit? More like Money Over Trophies.

  120. Westlower

    Sep 21, 2014, 15:06 #57705

    @Bard My two posts, 60837 & 60848 on Sep 18th, confirm I didn't go missing after the BD game. I don't have a problem losing that some on here seem to have. It was a game we can afford to lose as we've 5 more opportunities to qualify in Group D. Losing to Villa would have hurt much more. I'll be posting some more odds later this evening especially to annoy Hiccup. I'm not sure who he supports but it sure isn't Arsenal.

  121. GBP

    Sep 21, 2014, 15:02 #57704

    Hi Bard - some times we re not so far apart really. The difference is in the juxtoposition of expectation to realistic demands of the Club. I dont expect AFC to win titles (or reach runners up that often) in the present football climate but i hope they will eventually. I realistically expect us to get 3rd and 4th rather more easily than we do though. I dont expect us to overhaul SW6 or the blue mancs ....yet. Conditions are right. Gary Neville makes some good points on the Man C situ in his column on the Sky Website. We will get closer, without bankrupting ourselves im sure and his comments allude to that being my position. SW6 is another matter but they're balancing their books now as well. The landscape is changing. Your goodself and I differ in the extent to which we each believe that the Club is managing that changing landscape and who we trust as the custodian of it, thats all it seems to me. I just think Arsene Wenger has steered us towards this new landscape, he understands it and understands he will make a few enemies amongst our own fans in doing it. I dont think that my position sits in conflict to having 'ambition'. Im never sure of that words place in football at times. It often gets abused by fans coaches and players. Its not time to challenge his role in taking us to where we re aiming for just yet. I appreciate that you differ. I also accept that you're one of about 3 on the board here who to the greater extent put up a case to back your position. You often throw a challenge to my faith in my position even though we rarely agree in toto. COYG Bard!!

  122. Malaysian gunner

    Sep 21, 2014, 14:28 #57703

    I agree with angry and frustrated. It's no use beating the minor teams only to get regularly beaten by the big teams. Arsene's record against the big teams is appalling.He has not beaten the special one since the latter appeared. It's about time he gets the record broken other wise he risks being known as the specialist in failure. To do that requires a pragmatic approach .If he carries on as before against the likes of Pool,MU,Chelsea and MC he risks being beaten and maybe comprehensively. Tactically he is a bit naïve and wants to play possession and silky soccer.When he is stopped,there is no plan b.The worst thing that can happen now an injury to our Frnch centraa defender. He is so much better than the BG.

  123. Bard

    Sep 21, 2014, 14:26 #57702

    GBP; it all depends on your expectations and ambition. I pay practically the highest season ticket price in football. We have the second or third highest wage bill in the league and for all that you don't think I should expect a manager of the club to put out a side that would be expected to be a Villa 9 times out of ten and go toe to toe with the big hitters. Your posts show how little you expect from the club and how devoid of real ambition you are. The acceptance of a culture of mediocrity blights the club and sadly some of the fans.

  124. Where's Wally is a Gooner

    Sep 21, 2014, 14:05 #57701

    Wenger has a new strategy. Let the fans on social media choose who plays and where. We may not have managed 1000 games but we all know Ozil is a no.10. All we need now is Bouldy to take the training and Gazidis to continue to buy the players we need and we may have something. Then the manager can swan around Europe with the great and the good of World football. I'm sure that's what really floats his boat. Job done.

  125. Hiccup

    Sep 21, 2014, 14:02 #57700

    Hope everyone enjoyed their vacation in Narnia and had a safe trip back to Cloud Cuckoo land. Now everyone's back, it would be nice if the Online Gooner held a survey, where fans voted for their current favourite PL victory, as we now seem to be on the verge of greatness based on yesterday's win. Do you vote for the epic win over the champions elect Crystal Palace, or the 'too good to go down Aston Villa'. Think mine is yesterday's, as this is the point where we have turned the corner. You know that corner. The one we've been turning around for the last 5 years.

  126. David

    Sep 21, 2014, 13:53 #57699

    4th place...has a strangely familiar feeling to it. One victory and all the AKBs come back with warm smiley posts. 10 years of top class mediocrity has that effect on you, I suppose. Wireless routers all seemed to break down at the same time on Tuesday...

  127. GBP

    Sep 21, 2014, 13:27 #57698

    Great win. Really enjoyed it. Eggs and faces all round, higher valium dosage and strong coffee and an extra aspirin with their breakies this am for the doom mongering fraternity! I thought Wellbeck was MOTM as did quite a few us there. Gibbsy sadly still looks a slightly ropey LB though while Chambers likes to put it about a bit. Good to see. BADARSE - No worries chappie. It was like the Alamo on here last week as you say, but ultimately theyre only blowing intermittent hot air in the main. Partner has a hair dryer with more potency and threat to be honest. Bard - so we should be beating the Villa s of this World should we? Has nobody tild you we last lost there in 1998? The same argument applies to such clubs as Everton as well, does it? Check our record v them, but bit more importantly check Chelsea s record v Villa and Everton and you might feel compelled to ask the same question of them. Its utter rubbish to insult and demean such great Clubs as fodder opponents. I know every win we have under Wenger is likle a Shakespearian dagger in your collective breasts and sees you guys dredging the bottom of the barrel for some thing extra to chuck at Wenger and the Club, but will there ever be anything of substance to throw at him better than 'we shd be beating the Villas' etc. We wait with baited breath but wont be holding it chap.

  128. Hi Berry

    Sep 21, 2014, 13:20 #57697

    Great win yesterday and despite the gloating coming from certain sections of posters on this site surely this was a vindication of what a lot of Wenger's critics have been imploring him to do....namely play Ozil in his best position? What a joy to see someone so obviously unhappy to playing out wide coming alive and running the show, scoring a goal, setting up another and generally causing mayhem with his guile. Wasn't most of the criticism directed at the manager's inability to create a sustainable pattern of play with round pegs in round holes? The team looked so much better balanced with Ozil, Ramsey, Cazorla and Ox-Ch in midfield and Wilshire on the bench. History is littered with managers who have stumbled on a winning formula by accident (Beardsley and Linnekar for Robson at Mexico 86 being a glaring example) and let's hope this proves to be a turning point for Wenger in the way he sets out the team. Self-confidence is a great thing for a player to have and if Ozil can have a sustained run in the team in this position maybe we will begin ton see why he is worth £42m. After countless spins of the fruit machine it looks as if the penny might have just have dropped.

  129. jjetplane

    Sep 21, 2014, 13:16 #57696

    Klopp was just so last Tuesday! Already mentioned BD were quite average and yet they humiliated Wenger who did manage one diving sign from the touchlines. I would have Klopp and his honesty any day of the week. Now for the stats to start rolling ..... YAWN.

  130. Bard

    Sep 21, 2014, 13:15 #57695

    Welcome back Westie. You went awol after the BD game along with Baddie and few others. Would you trade a win against BD for a loss against Villa? I certainly would as it would show we can hack it against the big hitters. Big week or two coming up that might define the season one way or another.

  131. Westlower

    Sep 21, 2014, 12:58 #57694

    Oh dear, super young dynamic coaches Klopp & Rodgers both well beaten 0-2 & 1-3 after their ECL games midweek. You couldn't make it up!

  132. jjetplane

    Sep 21, 2014, 12:51 #57693

    MG good point re the Wellbeck signing and we could include Ozil there and it really is down to the players as we have been practically managerless for the past decade. A Villa virus could not have come at a better time which is why they never responded and were too ill to puncture the silkiness. Some great stuff (electric for the length of a single) but Ramsay is still lost out there? and see what good players can do in a split second and could do more over a match period with the right tactical energy and of course a leader on the field. Cheer up JAMIE enjoy these moments like we all do and let's hope the sours are still carrying their half a century old virus. Come on you Arsenal PLAYERS! Excellent report KEV as always but careful of the use of 'doom mongering' as it does come wit a siege/bunker mentality. With a new coach we will be free to experiment and it ain't a lot to ask after 18 years .....

  133. Mathew

    Sep 21, 2014, 12:30 #57691

    Not sure Kevin whether it was a convincing 90 minutes of football as your article started off. Great win ofcourse, considering the Tuesday night football and Ozil looking pretty in a central role. He was my MOTM although the jury is still out on him. He looks lazy for my mates, gotta do with his physical appearances and cheeky runs, i think. I wish Diaby had a run in, maybe in the 70th min atleast as Arteta still can't pass forward. Wondering when Campbell will feature too, maybe Wenger will play him and Ospina against So'ton.

  134. JAMIE

    Sep 21, 2014, 12:11 #57690

    I bet a lot of the Wob's will be cacking it next week when their beloved lilly whites come to the Emirates for their annual bottle job.I can just see jeff wright and finsbury joe peeking from behind the sofa hoping that useless spineless tiny tott rabble can by some miracle get a shock victory.

  135. In Wenger We Trust

    Sep 21, 2014, 11:59 #57689

    Awesome victory for us! Wenger is such a genius to get Ozil back firing again. Glad Welbeck scored and I hope the both of them will continue to shut up those naysayers. Even with this win, the anti-Wenger rabble will continue to whine like always, probably because the scoreline wasn't 5-0. This is just the beginning and hope next week we crush spurs, you know the people who hates our club... oh wait, that's the WOB... I'm confused. Arsene knows best.

  136. maguiresbridge gooner

    Sep 21, 2014, 11:55 #57688

    A return to winning ways after being humiliated so the roses smell great the pansies are in bloom the grass is freshly cut and the sun is breaking through the clouds, and everything is rosy in the garden of arsene again, everything is forgotten (we're going to win the league now) until the next time. It was good to see Danny Boy getting off the mark they usually take far longer than that but as this wasn't an arsene signing it was no surprise, and ozil chipped in with a great run and well finished goal does this mean he's come good. Onwards and up wards.

  137. Jeff wright

    Sep 21, 2014, 11:43 #57687

    Badarse had we not won yesterday you wouldn't even be posting this morning! Thank's for pointing out that Peter is just one person on here,although tbh I always thought that he was several. Nice one Ozil scoring his first away goal for us and to have apparently an easy afternoon stroll around in the Park .What's happened to Ramsey ? Was it just one of those things where some players have 15 minutes of fame in a seson but sadly are never able to reciprocate it ? Danny ... yes the boy done good scoring again at Villa,last season he scored two when playing for United in the worst side they have had in modern times ,and with now departed Community Shield winner and with no idea no tactics David Moyes in charge. This season however Danny Boy only managed to score one goal,hey it's the magic of Arsene at work ! Anyway Badass the main thing is that you are all puffed up now with self righteous pride with your optimism in Arsene justified ... the sun is shining the sky is blue... dear Jamie though has not come out to play ...

  138. Seven Kings Gooner

    Sep 21, 2014, 11:35 #57686

    Finsbury Joe : Is is right that you own Archway Metals?

  139. Bard

    Sep 21, 2014, 11:30 #57685

    Angry; really good post. I agree. The real measure of progress is whether we can beat the top teams. beating the Villa's of this world should be a given. Read an interesting stat that our wage bill is now higher than Chelsea's. At last Wenger has put Ozil back in his proper position, what a difference. Really like Welbeck, I think he will prove to be a cracking signing once he settles down. With more confidence and game time his finishing will improve. He also puts in a proper shift.

  140. divingrooney

    Sep 21, 2014, 11:17 #57684

    Man to man marking should be declared illegal in football. Its a penalty everytime. How can referee allow WWE in the box is impossible to comprehend. Every defender holds shirt and arms of his oppponent, and if opponents falls down then its called a dive. Highly bombastic of defenders...

  141. Seven Kings Gooner

    Sep 21, 2014, 11:14 #57683

    It was like old times with a "bang bang your dead" 7 minute spell of football. Chief reason surely was the balance of the team was so much better, players were not getting in each others way and at last AW plays a world cup winner in his favoured position, plus Villa had the Flu!Now if we could have Alonso in place of Arteta things would be even better - gloriously though, Diaby was on the bench!

  142. Angry & Frustrated

    Sep 21, 2014, 11:14 #57682

    This result as good as it was, epitomizes once again the never ending dilemma we supporters face. Too good for most teams, but primarily due to tactical naivety not good enough against the top sides. This is why we always finish fourth and no better, plus get booted out of the CL at the last 16 stage. No doubt we will now probably beat the Spuds, Soton & Galatasaray, but when Chelsea appear on the horizon, I am sure we will revert to type and be comprehensively outplayed and torn another new hole. I would be happy to draw with the likes of Man City & Chelsea etc provided we matched those results home and away. If you can cancel each other out with draws or wins/losses then that would be progress. Liverpool last season was a good example, despite the heavy defeat away from home, as at least it was balanced out by Arsenal beating them at our place, as well as in the FA Cup again at home. Obviously if you could get to the stage of beating the top clubs at home and drawing away, as is currently the case against us, then you would possibly break this cycle of only ever finishing fourth. For that to happen though you need a tactical manager, particularly for the away games, which over the last few years as we all know we don't have. So yes before you pro Wenger supporters slag me off for being negative after a good victory yesterday, please at least acknowledge this fact. The status quo will continue and I don't mean the band before I get any jokes, until we can somehow get out of this never ending cycle of only being flat track bullies! It's this that frustrates so much, and is why Wenger keeps his job, as there is never enough momentum of bad results on the bounce to oust him!

  143. Finsbury Joe

    Sep 21, 2014, 11:09 #57681

    As it stands, 4th in the table, that will give a nice warm feeling to the AKBs, manager and owner. But by the end of today, outside the ECL places it will be. A sign of things to come? Cannot believe those AKBs, a win against a virus ridden team , nearly relegated in recent seasons......and all the horror shows are instantly forgotten. Wonder how cheerful the AKBs will be in about three weeks time?

  144. GoonerRon

    Sep 21, 2014, 11:02 #57680

    Great result and I loved the way we completely controlled the game in the second half to not give them a sniff and not over-commit for go after 4 and 5. Certainly there was a better balance in midfield with Ramsey occupying a deeper starting position making it a 4-2-3-1 rather than the 4-1-4-1 we've seen of late. This is the key thing about getting the best out of Ozil - a better balance in deeper midfield meant he could wander across the pitch to influence play (like he can do when played rom the left) without having to worry about their right back bombing forward. Credit to Wenger for recognising the imbalance and tactically addressing it.

  145. Hiccup

    Sep 21, 2014, 11:00 #57679

    Kevin, I think you need to hold more regard to what the bookies say. Some on here rule their lives by them. In fact, I think some let the bookies odds overrule the actual results. The fact that we were clear favourites to beat Villa in itself is one hell of an achievement.

  146. BADARSE

    Sep 21, 2014, 10:47 #57678

    jeff wright you need another arithmetic lesson from westlower chum, you referred to PETE as, 'the AKB's are on here celebrating..'.Well pal one swallow doesn't make a summer, one person doesn't make a plural. Think Gnabry is still recovering from a long term injury, isn't he?

  147. BADARSE

    Sep 21, 2014, 10:34 #57677

    Good morning my Full Monty breakfasts, yummy but watch the tummy! Firstly my apologies must go to GBP, I wasn't able to take some of the flak buddy. My router went pop, (had to ask my wife what it was and how to spell it-damned technology). Am just really connecting with the site on another's computer which I have to leave shortly-oh, and am quite busy right now. Had another day at end of the week graffitying pro AFC slogans around Boreham Wood-paint gets in your eyes! Am delighted with the performance yesterday, Mesut in his favoured position was a revelation. Danny breaks his duck and gets a lovely assist too. Aaron not yet firing but respect the young man for not hiding. Liked Ox. Two teams unbeaten in the Prem now. We just got another wheel back on our wagon. Sorry to disappoint some who may have thought I'd run for cover after Dortmund, never ran very often in my life, and with my dodgey knee I don't run at all now. One minute you are down, the next you bounce back up again, so take it away Frank, 'Mmm, that's life!...'

  148. John Abrehart

    Sep 21, 2014, 10:02 #57676

    Spot on editor. I presume that Ospina will get his chance on Tuesday and how about full games for Rosicky and Gnabry (is he still with us?). In a game where we can afford to be a little rash, how about Giroud and Welbeck playing up front together? It might be interesting.

  149. Malaysian gunner

    Sep 21, 2014, 9:51 #57674

    Not only Gibbs is a liability. The big German is equally vulnerable to pace. He fell on his butts not the first time,when Agbonlahor swept past him If Ramsey had not come back,I shudder to think what would have been the result. At 3-0,the NU nightmare continued to prey on my mind. I was wondering if Wenger would continue to attack. Luckily it was controlled passing and none of the gung ho offensive. Hopefully in the games against the Saints,Spuds and the SO Arsenal could play in this manner. Btw,a win over the SO is ovrdue.Wenger shd be able to beat him. I hope the law of averages will kick in for this match.

  150. tippytappynevershooty

    Sep 21, 2014, 9:26 #57673

    Great win, just like the old days! Some semblance of thought to the shape and balance of the side yesterday and nice to see Ozil, Welbeck and Oxlade play such a big part. Encouraging signs going forward, but we still look clueless at the back. Gibbs looks a liability, if you watch the Villa header at 0-0 he loses his man and is like a passive spectator to what is going on around him. And despite some good saves I still think Szez could do with a long stint on he bench to get him fully focussed. We still clearly have some work to do at the back and I doubt that any clear systems or messages are being coached on a regular basis, but we live in hope.....

  151. Ozzie

    Sep 21, 2014, 9:15 #57672

    Very Cleverley done, now let's put not two but three wins together.