A certain FA Cup tie in 1951

Holders Arsenal, then the biggest club in the world, entertained Third Division North Carlisle



A certain FA Cup tie in 1951


Despite living up north near Carlisle I keep encountering Gooners and recently I’ve read a new book entitled The Day We Went To Arsenal about the FA Cup game in the third round of 1951 when Carlisle United were drawn away to Arsenal. The book is written by a Carlisle man, Martin Daley, who tells us he always has been a follower of Arsenal, one of several fascinating links in the book between the two otherwise very different institutions.

As Daley stresses there are two things to remember about the draw in 1951: the FA Cup had a glamour and a fascination that it has lost, though efforts are made these days to recover some of that, and Arsenal were quite the biggest club in the world. 1951 was long before the days of Real Madrid or Manchester United and what Arsenal achieved in the 1930s had given them glamour and fascination too. As well as that, in 1951 Arsenal were the Cup holders, following their victory over Liverpool in May, 1950. Everyone wanted to play Arsenal, very few could beat them, and certainly no-one thought a Third Division North outfit from somewhere called Carlisle, even though they led the table, had a prayer – no-one, that is, except their manager, Bill Shankly. Shankly had played for Carlisle before joining the very successful 1930s Preston, and managing Carlisle was his first job. Over the years he has several times been a thorn in the side of Gooners. His motto was, and always remained, the same: the fans are the people who matter. For this he was loved in 1951 in Carlisle and later at Liverpool. He had also played several times for Arsenal during the war, another of the over-lapping strands in the story. The match became the event in Carlisle, the first thing that had dispersed the post-war greyness and gloom, the rationing, the monotony, which had descended on the country as we struggled to realise that we had won the war and might expect to enjoy our freedom.

Those were the days of railway travel to matches - £2 return Carlisle-London – of tickets at 1/6 (7p) and of those Cup specialities pre-match, in this case hounds unleashed at the Clock End yelping excitedly as they followed a trail laid to the North Bank, with “John Peel” in hunting gear sounding his horn, all provided by the away support. An afternoon kick-off, of course. Carlisle didn’t beat Arsenal but they came mighty close, drawing 0-0 on January 6th at Highbury. Many thought them unlucky not to win, and Ted Platt in the Arsenal goal, had to produce a wonder save in the last five minutes to stop them doing so. They drew much praise, from the press and from the write-up in the next Arsenal programme, if not from the Arsenal players, for the way they had played – ball to feet, slick passing, etc. Half Carlisle turned up at the station on the Sunday afternoon to hail their heroes home. The city fathers thought a few people might enjoy watching the replay; in the event the queues for tickets got out of hand and the sale had to be aborted. After things were re-arranged for the following day, 21,215 watched the game – that was 6,000 more than the average crowd for the home team, whose crowds were impressively large, like Liverpool’s second division crowds under Shankly ten years on. “A manager has got to identify himself with the people who come through the turnstiles.”

Tom Whittaker took the opportunity of Mercer’s absence through illness to put Alex Forbes at left half to deal with Billy Hogan, the brilliant dribbling winger who had tortured Arsenal’s defence in the first game. Hogan did not have the opportunity to do that again. He remarked afterwards: “Arsenal meant business this time”. It could be brutal in those days: Carlisle’s leading scorer and centre-forward, who missed the cup-ties through injury, had all his teeth removed after signing his first professional contract, for he knew what would be coming. “And he had a lovely set of teeth,” his mother sadly commented.

As for the game, Arsenal took the lead but Carlisle equalised and were pressing for a second when Wally Barnes made a flying save with his fist to keep out a shot and the referee didn’t see it (there’s a good picture of the “save” in the book). Instead, Arsenal re-took the lead after a goalmouth scramble. The Carlisle keeper, Jim McLaren, who had been brilliant at Highbury, made a couple of errors, one to let Arsenal score first (Reg Lewis) and the second to let them go 3-1 up (Lewis again) and Arsenal eventually ran out 4-1 winners (Logie and Goring were the other scorers). Carlisle did not go on to win the promotion their football and support deserved, and Arsenal didn’t retain the cup – nor did this biggest of clubs win the league in 1951, though they had been all-conquering up until December. They were, however, back at Wembley in 1952 and came close to pulling off the double that season. The two teams have met twice since in the Cup but neither contest had the thrills or the tension of the tie in 1951.

The Day We Went To Arsenal by Martin Daley, JMD Media, £14.99


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  1. HowardL

    Sep 24, 2014, 9:08 #57839

    Wally Barnes unfortunately got his comeuppance for that handball with his broken leg in the 1952 final - against a team from the same part of the world as Carlisle. Now we have the Capital 1 Cup - well, after last night, WE dont...

  2. GBP

    Sep 23, 2014, 19:40 #57825

    Did well at Villa Alex Cropley did Ramgun. Liked him.

  3. Ramgun

    Sep 23, 2014, 18:21 #57819

    It was even worse than that Roy. Bertie Mee, in effect, swapped Frank McLintock for Terry Mancini. QPR almost won the league and Bertie stopped being Arsenal manager. The book was a total delight and, although I did not see the match in 1951, I did start my Gunners supporting not long afterwards and the book really conjures up the feel of 1950's England. Alex Cropley, whose career with us was ruined by injury, scored a late winner that was vital in our fight against relegation in the Highbury game against Carlisle in 1975.

  4. Roy

    Sep 23, 2014, 18:08 #57818

    GBP, deviating from the subject here somewhat but you've got me thinking. One of the great managerial faux pas' - McLintock out, Blockley in !! There must be loads down the years at any club, so get your thinking caps on and and give us a chuckle......and yes, I will check out the book.

  5. GBP

    Sep 23, 2014, 17:19 #57815

    600NER PETE -' a cock up by Jeff Blockley'- maybe the most well worn and apt phrase of his time i suggest? Do you recall the hype over him before we bought him for about £210,000 as i recall? He was the next great english hope wasn't he. Dreadful! Coventry surely seen us coming. Being big and ugly took a CB a long way though in those days. We ve had a few CB donks haven't we. Ure, Jeff B, Caton, Young, Mancini. Howard. Any more offers?

  6. jjetplane

    Sep 23, 2014, 16:19 #57811

    Great read that and though I was too young did see a few Carlisle games in the early 90s and it was a pretty wild place courtesy of border city lads - a drink on the Botchergate was something to remember as was popping over the border for the early houses .... Nice lakes too! had a little wade in most of them.

  7. 600NER PETE

    Sep 23, 2014, 15:40 #57808

    I went to the FA cup match in 1973 against Carlisle away. It was a long journey but Arsenal had a lot of support that day with several trains going. It was the 5th round and we won 2-1. Some of the Carlisle supporters were dressed as droogs (see clockwork orange) but there were too many Arsenal fans for them to give us any aggro. For the third time in a row we got to the semi-finals but didn't make it 3 finals as we lost to Sunderland at Hillsborough after a cock up by Jeff Blockley. Sunderland went on to beat Leeds in the final.

  8. Website Editor

    Sep 23, 2014, 12:31 #57803

    @Emilio Zorlakki - Click on the red text of the book title in the article Emilio. Should take you to the Amazon website where you can buy the book

  9. Westlower

    Sep 23, 2014, 11:59 #57802

    Correction to my previous post. The league stats given were for 51/52 when we finished 3rd, 4 points behind champions Man U. Our league stats for 50/51 were: Won 19, Drew 9, Lost 14, Goals for 73, against 56, points 47.

  10. Westlower

    Sep 23, 2014, 11:46 #57801

    @Tony Thanks for that trip down memory lane. Arsenal finished 5th in the league that season with 47 points, having won 21, drew 11 & lost 10. Goals for 80, against 61. The Sours were champions with 60 points. The Arsenal squad that season was W Barnes, D Bowen, L Compton, F Cox, R Daniel, A Fields, A Forbes, P Goring, C Holton, J Kelsey, R Lewis, D Lishman, J Logie, I Mcpherson, B Marden, J Mercer, A Milton, E Platt, D Roper, LScott, A Shaw, L Smith, G Swindin. Top goalscorers; Doug Lishman with 17, Peter Goring 15, Jimmy Logie 9, Reg Lewis 8, Don Roper 7, Cliff Holton 5, Alex Forbes 4.

  11. BADARSE

    Sep 23, 2014, 11:30 #57800

    Thank you Tony, I liked that. A little before my time, but the grey damp days were soon going to become oh so familiar to me. Hard days indeed. Smog and disease in the big cities, poor hygiene, destitution everywhere, rationing and blighted lives. Football was the rainbow-coloured dreamworld that took many away from those austere circumstances. I was a child and every day was a firework explosion of excitement, actually life is still a little like that to me even now. Whoosh! There goes another Roman Candle. Good old Arsenal...and good old Wally Barnes!

  12. Roy

    Sep 23, 2014, 11:20 #57799

    Remember a certain Alex Cropley, born in 1951 who made his debut for us in a 2-1 defeat at Carlisle during their only season in the top flight. I remember being at Highbury later in the campaign where we returned the compliment by a similar scoreline, both games being very tight as I recall. I don't know about 1951, but if anyone cares to look up the story of the aforementioned 74/75 season when they replaced Manure in the top flight , it is quite an interesting read. Whenever anyone mentions Carlisle, it's difficult to think about anything other than Jimmy Glass and all that !