Fill Your Boots Time

Online Ed: Galatasaray put to the sword



Fill Your Boots Time


I suspect we will never know whether or not Arsenal would have signed Danny Welbeck if Olivier Giroud had not picked up his injury. Arsène Wenger suggested that the deal would not have happened if he had not been making his trip to Rome on deadline day, which suggests that it certainly wasn’t part of the overall summer transfer window strategy, if indeed there was one.

However, fate and circumstance have combined to give Arsenal a young centre forward who looks like he may develop into the valuable source of goals missing since Robin van Persie left the club in the summer of 2012. After two seasons of muddling along with Olivier Giroud, there now looks hope that the Gunners have a striker that will be able to outpace defenders and convert his opportunities when he does. Comparisons were made to Thierry Henry in the way he shaped his body to finish his chances last night against Galatasaray. Obviously, it’s way too early to predict if Welbeck will score anything like the number of goals Henry did in an Arsenal shirt, but four goals in five games is an encouraging start.

Arsenal started very well against Galatasaray, helped by the lesser defensive discipline displayed by the Turkish side in comparison to last weekend’s North London derby. There was more space to play their football and when the opportunities came, Arsenal were not wasteful. Three goals before the interval effectively finished the match as a contest. With Anderlecht being beaten at home by Dortmund, the conclusion was that the Gunners should not find qualification from their group as much of a challenge as it proved last season.

The brief interruption in the first half – in the words of Doktor Schneide, “More flares than a northern working men’s club” – only resulted in Arsenal’s third goal courtesy of Alexis before the smoke from the Turkish fans’ projectiles had cleared from the air. The visitors pushing up allowed the Gunners to make hay with the pace of their forwards. Didn’t they send a scout to the game last Saturday?

At half time, I scoured the programme for mention of Emmanuel Eboue, who departed Arsenal for the Turkish side in 2011. No sign. Some research later revealed that although still at the club, he did not make the squad for the Champions League. I doubt he would have improved matters defensively for his team, having witnessed Galatasaray playing Real Madrid on TV last season with the Ivorian as a right back. Mind you, his being caught out of position more than once stranded upfield as Real broke was eerily familiar of Arsenal since his departure.

Never mind, defensive lapses could be afforded last night as the visitors produced little going forward until the award of a penalty which saw Szczesny red carded. At 4-0 up by this time, the Gunners could have sacrificed the goal rather than a man, but in the heat of the moment, players are not prone to tink rationally, and operate on instinct. Szczesny thought he could get something on the ball but ended up taking out his man. The sending off was no surprise, but at least gave David Ospina some more game time. He could do nothing about the spot kick, but pulled off a fine save after the goal gave Galatasaray some encouragement. They created a number of chances, and things might have become more nervy had their finishing been a little better.

As it was, the clock wound down and the stadium emptied, leaving the hardier souls and the (presumably locked in) visiting fans present to witness Cazorla’s last minute chance and the final whistle. I was informed there was bit of havoc before the game in Finsbury Park with the Galatasaray fans, although this may have been something to do with Besiktas being in north London for their game against Tottenham this evening. Certainly, around the ground itself, there seemed no sense of antagonism, no repeat of Copenhagen 2000. However, there is a very different crowd at Arsenal these days, especially on Champions League nights.

So an impressive performance from the Gunners, much improved on Saturday’s display. The visit to Stamford Bridge on Sunday will put last night into some kind of context. A win will be a confidence booster, but Arsenal were still careless at times last night, conceding possession where a more disciplined attitude would have retained it. Better teams will exploit such moments, and Chelsea are unquestionably better than Galatasaray. Still, at least there is encouragement in front of goal, so the hope is that if chances come against Mourinho’s team, they will be converted.

Just a quick note before I wrap up to finally announce the winners of the competition to win copies of Layth Yousif’s book on Arsène Wenger’s Fifty Defining Fixtures. So, John Deasy in County Dublin, Mike Hennessy in Hitchin and Spencer Streeter in Weymouth should be receiving their copies soon.

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  1. Ozzie

    Oct 05, 2014, 13:08 #58537

    Haha Baddie, sounds as though you have resigned yourself to your fate. Are you going to use fresh or salt water to aid the slide into your void? Don't get too much water up your gnosis at once, oblivion must be done with ease, you don't get a second crack at it:) As for your speck of dust better you cut the word 'we' and speak for thee. I'm off star gazing before the game - if I can sit up that long.

  2. BADARSE

    Oct 05, 2014, 10:52 #58534

    Yeah Athoz, a funny thought. I used to think as a youngster, 'what if we are a speck of dust, in someone else's existence?'-well I learned we are a speck of dust, in an emptiness. That seemed even more surreal at first, now the silence and emptiness is kind of reassuring, a bit like sinking beneath the waves and the rushing sound in the ears becomes quieter and seems to fit with all around. My stock response sometimes, when the opportunity arises is to concede there is a god, the other person's god, and he was created by my god, who is even greater. God on god? Mmm, interesting, eh? Turtles on the backs of turtles-and turtles all the way down.

  3. Ozzie

    Oct 05, 2014, 10:23 #58533

    Oh, god, I've got him going on the messiah - help!! What do you think of this: "What if the so called big bang is nothing but the birth of a thought in the mind of a being beyond human perception? That would mean everything we are aware of has materialized and is enveloped in and by that thought." Back to your post: The minority also make up the minority:) Denver takes me back to the stars, the mountains and rocky mountain high - some real highs back then when people explored the mind rather than try to escape from it as seems so evident today. It is awful how people's brains are all wired up to central control. You are having such a good summer this year. We are om the up now with all the trees blossoming and our feathered friends mating and singing with such delight. Love Spring - like an Awakening from slumber. Here's hoping the boys click today as I am sick of Mourinho's rants. Wouldn't it be luverly if the boss could finally get one over the arrogant pr##K and give us all something to gloat about?

  4. BADARSE

    Oct 05, 2014, 9:08 #58531

    You know this Athoz, if a mob proclaim a messiah, some pseudo sage might offer, 'If enough say he is the messiah, perhaps he is!' Then again majority do not make truth, enlightenment, wisdom, or any other insight. They just make up the majority. The music sounds good, here I am listening to John Denver. I think, put quite simply he had a voice like spring water-how we could have used his dulcet tones on that old North Bank. It is a beautiful day here, our grandson goes to Ypres and the Somme today, where is radfordkennedy when you need him-he is the master! Listened to a very good programme about Julia Gillard the other day. So humble, one of the sprogs from the valleys of Wales. Not enough women ruling. As an active feminist in the 'sixties' I feel dismayed at the shuffling, sideways and backwards movements of the systems all over this planet. Power to the people, of course-but power to the females especially!

  5. Ozzie

    Oct 05, 2014, 8:55 #58530

    Morning to you Baddie. Up early for church aren't you? Is it C of E or Mass in c Minor? there's a nice piece by Vaughan Williams: The 49th Parallel from The Invaders that am just enjoying - sends shivers up the spine. Of course I luv ya. Here's a big smacka for ya (X)

  6. BADARSE

    Oct 05, 2014, 7:06 #58528

    Athoz, where were the love greetings to me? You know I love you. I can vouch for Ozzie, Jason B, he just needs constant reassurance. Hope the weather is warming up, it's still very pleasant here. Good old Arsenal.

  7. Ozzie

    Oct 05, 2014, 3:48 #58526

    JasonB & Pete, love to you both xxx

  8. Pete

    Oct 04, 2014, 23:15 #58523

    Finsbury Joe is a self confessed spud,prefers to comment on Arsenal as sours are not really interesting enough.Ozzie probably just a dark moaney.

  9. Jason B

    Oct 04, 2014, 19:23 #58519

    @Finsbury Joe,@ Ozzie.What are your true colours? The reason I ask is because of your constant snide remarks of people that post here and of the club in general. Well passed (your sell by date)? Claptrap? Or full of crap? One F.A cup may paper over a crack but as to your teams the roof is falling in under piles of unsustainable debt. No space to build on your stadium? Must be desperate to ground share with MKdons or move to Wembley or Twickenham for a year. Throw in the Olympic park and there you have three great white elephants. Waste of space. Just like yourselves!!

  10. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 04, 2014, 19:06 #58516

    There you go Bard embarrassed again, will we soldier on or take the huff and go missing?

  11. JAMIE

    Oct 04, 2014, 15:35 #58505

    Surely the super humble ordinary fans like Bard and maguire would be more suited to a more humble footie team maybe a QPR,Crystal Palace or sours.Best leave the super clubs to us super fans.

  12. BADARSE

    Oct 04, 2014, 8:14 #58476

    Danny Carter, I realise your comment was flippant, and suggests that the three names mentioned, along with other like-minded souls are somehow dragging your club down, or at least perpetuating it's imagined stagnation. Well chum your post deserves a response on behalf of all who quietly go about supporting our club because there is no other consideration for us, it is in the blood. If you cut me then it flows like Alphabetti Spaghetti, reading ARSENAL. If a reluctance to support a corrupt organisation was your modus operandi then I would say companies like MacDonald's, Starbucks, etc fit the profile, not our football club. You don't like the set up and want to protest? OK. To insist other people join your protest becomes a dictatorship, and if successful a more strident club rises from the ashes with many more practises to oppose. I do think you elevate those at the front of the queue to a too important level. In essence they are no better or worse than those at the back of it-think about that one small point. True isn't it?

  13. Danny Carter

    Oct 04, 2014, 6:10 #58474

    Jamie/GBP/Bardarse, i trust when they put the tickets up again next season, you will be first in the line to watch us come fourth?

  14. WHL87

    Oct 03, 2014, 21:12 #58472

    GBP - spot on. Up The Gunners. 49.

  15. Bard

    Oct 03, 2014, 20:25 #58471

    MG; there's a very good 4 year old playing 'strangle the monkey' over in the nearby field. He looks like he could really inject some grit into the side in about 15 years. No idea whether he can play but that doesn't matter, we've bought plenty of turkeys over the years and we could always sell him on. I am concerned poor old GBP has been taken away by the men in white coats after his apoplectic fit yesterday. That was right up there with the best meltdown Ive read on this site for a long while, totally incoherent and full of anger. Jamie you're letting your fantasies get the better of you and they are a touch worrying, your fixation with hairy arses and bulging stomachs makes me wonder whether you want to share something with us. I am broadminded, really I am.

  16. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 03, 2014, 17:15 #58464

    Bard, I like your style, keep an eye out for OGL on his scouting mission during the next transfer window.

  17. BADARSE

    Oct 03, 2014, 16:54 #58462

    See Bard, I knew you could do it. Liked your post, another comedian. We are crumby footie fans, but boy, do we spin a story, and tell a tale, so funny. Keep them coming fella, oh, and give my regards to Papua and Mamua. Of course I don't need valium at the moment, I am feeding in large and loud doses of the 'Boss', (no not Arsene-Springsteen),'... mmm, Thunder Road, mmm, mmm...'

  18. Bard

    Oct 03, 2014, 16:30 #58459

    Hiccup very funny posts mate. Loved the dummy spitting toy throwing analogies. I'm leaving as well I'm off to North Korea, they really know how to deal with dissenters. Hang them, imprison them. Sorry my post got your knickers on also GBP, that was some rant. I can recommend someone you can to speak to about. GBP I have a confession that may make you feel even more angry so sit down and take a Valium. Not only have I never played football, I have never even seen a game in my life. I'm 109, and still going strong and I live in a small village in New Guinea so there's no football to watch.There's very little to do so I just wind up morons on football sites by making wild assertions and misrepresentations. I have been from various sites for incitement to cause mental distress, so beware when you read my posts.

  19. Ozzie

    Oct 03, 2014, 13:29 #58448

    Fair enough GBP but the ones with the expectations or might I say, anticipations? are the ones who cough up and without them we might 'expect' the club to crumble.

  20. BADARSE

    Oct 03, 2014, 13:23 #58446

    jjetplane you are one funny man. Loved that last post.

  21. jjetplane

    Oct 03, 2014, 13:14 #58444

    HICCUP you are awful but I like you. Know how you feel though as my blood is constantly boiling and setting off alarms in my head - what if AKB and and he wins the PL and CL this season and Chelski fold and Citeh fart and JAMIE writes a book called How I fell in love with Costa and BADARSE wins the Nobel prize for his Book of Gibberish and GBP gets embroiled in a Valium case in Brussels and the wibbley wobbly moanie woanie nah nah nah nah nahs get transported to the bright side of the moon (the bit where John Travolta whispers numbers in Westie's lug holes) and go blind with the lurve of it all .... A draw would be nice sunday and HICCUp I get your surreal frustration - you are wasted on here mate. BARD you de man of the moment you making GBP very sad man with warm beer in dark bar still clapping long after the man he standing no? UP ze Gunnars and right up ze Venga?

  22. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 03, 2014, 13:13 #58443

    Cornish, good idea, or super fans that keep showing us ordinary fans up, and make us feel guilty, anyway sign me up.

  23. BADARSE

    Oct 03, 2014, 13:12 #58442

    Oh Cornish, there you go again, repeating posts verbatim, how necessary is it, and every time, man? How you would like to kick me, wouldn't you? Why? Did I wrong you in a former life, what gives? Are you offended by my humour? Then don't read those posts. Are you offended by my support of AW? Then just disregard it. Do you feel threatened by my presence? Then don't ever feel that, unless it came to a real kicking match, rather than a verbal one. Do I say other things, touch on other subjects which rile you? This can only mean you identify with some of the things I believe to be wrong in life. Should you get cross with me because of that? Not really, though perhaps an examination of what it is that riles you may help. Do you realise I have never once attacked you, or your views on any previous post. On the contrary, I have been overtly friendly. My only criticisms come as a reaction to one of your posts. I don't think I shall post to you again, it's pointless as you seem locked-in. No doubt you may be critical on a personal basis, in the future-I shall let the other posters assess their merit.

  24. GBP

    Oct 03, 2014, 12:55 #58439

    Ozzie - a few of us went to Wembley in May and saw us win the FAC. We re in the CL again too. That is success NOW. The Club cant totally manage fans overblown expectations. The teams on the up. We all hope we can win further trophies of course, but if theyre 'expected', that's a problem fans need to get over. Bosses and players at Clubs never 'expect', they just do their best to win. The media talk of big Clubs 'expecting' glory. Its all BS. Far too many variables in football to expect anything.COYG

  25. A Cornish Gooner

    Oct 03, 2014, 12:52 #58437

    Ozzie. Agree with your post especially the 'articulate claptrap' bit. I'd also say that if somebody is regularly labelled pompous and sanctimonious on here, it might just be because he is pompous and sanctimonious. I'd like to start a new initiative on this site: 'Kick Out Pomposity'

  26. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 03, 2014, 12:49 #58435

    Hiccup, thanks for standing shoulder to shoulder with your brothers, but don't go, don't take the huff, you'll be missed so please please stay.

  27. Ozzie

    Oct 03, 2014, 12:46 #58433

    GBP, what Arsenal have achieved in the past - well passed, is irrelevant to the present time and the fans expectations. There's only so long you can live in the shadow of the glories long gone. It's gone!! People want to enjoy some success NOW not wallow in the past nor salivate over what might be in some future. This is not a site dominated by dull, negative posters, it's a site where uncomplicated and unpretentious fans share their thoughts and feelings and show real passion. All the articulate claptrap in the world wont rub off on them nor should it.

  28. GBP

    Oct 03, 2014, 11:31 #58428

    Exeter G - Yes, there are a few valid critiques and if you ever read our posts properly some of them are accepted and always have been. This is a site dominated by dull negative posters though who love dishing it out to the minority but cant take it back. No credit is given to the team by some of them and no quarter given to anybody who appreciates most of what the Club is doing and to what the team tries to do. As for your post, you've no idea what goes on in team talks about the opponent and in training every day at Colney so dont pretend that you do know. As for Spurs game, the team didnt play 'poorly'. The mardy arsed lot on here, such as Hiccup and Co didnt like it because we didnt win a NLD! Ive news for you chap. Spurs played well and we didn't lose it either!The posts after that game were all like a mass moanies celebration from Hiccup and Co as if we d been beaten hence i never bothered engaging and i guess others took the same view while they burned themselves out. Its called boredom. 3 titles, 2 doubles, 5 FACs, A CL Runners up AND 2 CC Runners UPs. 17 years consistent top 4. New stadium. World recognition. Other Clubs envy of our Coach and Club. There s your case for those of us who back Arsene Wenger and the Clubs Management. Stick that in your folder and contemplate it before you come on here shouting for us to justify whats obvious to anybody with half a brain and a modicum of common sense and eyes to see with. Its you and yours who lack the case to justify ousting the Coach not the other way around. Many on here aren't very happy (so they say), you too seemingly. Tough luck.

  29. Westlower

    Oct 03, 2014, 11:29 #58427

    @Exeter Gunner, Isn't it a natural reaction to go quiet for a few days after a defeat? All the hand wringing & post analysis won't change the result. Some of us accept we are an attacking team, where others wish us to park the bus against the top teams. We supporters are only observers, we cannot effect change on the teams playing style. Many would like to revert to the 1-0 days but speaking from experience it numbs the mind over a protracted period. Whether we like it or not we have to set up to the strengths of the players we currently have, especially given the present crop of injuries. Yes, we are vulnerable to a trashing when we fail to convert our own goal scoring chances but we don't have a monopoly on that one!

  30. Ozzie

    Oct 03, 2014, 10:52 #58425

    DJ, I happen to enjoy reading Badarse. Football can be expanded to include the fans and what makes them tick; it's all relative. What a pity he cant draw a few more of you out of your narrow view. Broaden your horizon a bit, sunshine.

  31. JAMIE

    Oct 03, 2014, 10:48 #58424

    Some of you delicate souls make me laugh.You're the types who are happy to hurl abuse at our players and manager and us fans yet anybody so much as says boo to you and you go all defensive and suddenly become full of scruples and self-righteousness and start lecturing.Well I'm not having it you medicine ball headed chumps.

  32. Exeter Gunner

    Oct 03, 2014, 10:16 #58423

    @GDP, if your blood wasn't up you should have noticed the contradiction in your post - accusing Bard of 'broad brush' then talking about 'the whole lot of you'. And despite what you suggest there is plenty of constructive criticism in these comments sections, alongside the venting. People make points about how the team is set up, the lack of proper regard for the opposition leading to the increasingly regular heaving beatings by decent sides. However, according to you it is/was simply 'our turn'. If this is the kind of thinking that's goes on inside the club, no wonder those beatings continue to take place. I've also noticed that the Wenger supporters go quiet for a couple of days after a poor performance - such as after Dortmund and Spurs recently - then re-emerge to joust with the posters they oppose, not offering any counter-arguments to any reasonable analysis that's been made. I suspect this is because they cannot offer any, possibly even secretly agree with that analysis. But they just don't think it should be aired. Shush! Support Arsene!! And Westlower, GBP and Jamie - Hiccup's satire is lost on you.

  33. DJ

    Oct 03, 2014, 9:59 #58422

    BADARSE: That is an excellent point you make, this is a football website and should be treated as such. Some posters make me laugh, some make me angry, some just plain confuse me but at no time do I feel the need to insult anybody, argue a point yes agree to disagree but there is no need for anything else. Football is a great distraction from real life.

  34. JAMIE

    Oct 03, 2014, 9:55 #58421

    hiccup,Even though I find your posts ridiculous and hyper wobby you should stay and try and hold your ground.Why do you care if posters have a go at Bard and maguirebridge,they're a couple of hairy arsed campaigners who can look after themselves.Also why are you up so early did you wet the bed.

  35. GBP

    Oct 03, 2014, 9:48 #58420

    Bye Hiccup 61716. Best post youve ever made chap.Pity you left it so late. See you soon under your new name. Badarse - Ha. No mate. Blood wasnt up. The negative vibes every day are increasingly tiresome. Theres things wrong with the team, same as every team but we re not that bad are we. COYG. We ll get some thing from it at Chelsea and shut a few more up!

  36. BADARSE

    Oct 03, 2014, 8:21 #58419

    Nice response David, very appreciated. GBP my friend, I have just read last night's post. Sometimes our blood is up-sometimes down, last night your blood was quite clearly up. If I'd been there I'd have switched off your computer, put my arm around your shoulder, told you it was a waste of time, and gone to the pub with you. There we would have talked it through and had a really good laugh. Last night my wife was asked to fill in for a friend's netball team. Wow, you need shin pads, and mouth guards for that game now. The other side of the fence on a floodlit pitch some 'mush' players were training. Everyone seemed astonishingly good-I mean really good. I still nurture vague and yellowing memories of my own football ability, replaying in my head some good goals I scored, or passes and tackles I made, these lads were red hot, and made me revise my own days gone by. Now I mention this to illustrate how difficult it is to spot a talent, secure it, then develop it. At what stage do you say enough? Huge investments are made, even huger commitments, and sometimes injuries just happen along. Finally a lad makes it and is met by a smoking, drinking fan's response, that he just isn't good enough-he is a donkey, a carthorse, a waster. This is a human being, someone's son, husband, brother. It is a sad deterioration of acceptability within the framework of society. I make a point of a poster's rudeness and am labelled sanctimonious, pompous, and would no doubt get much worse if the website allowed it. Currently we are spending billions without any return, with no hope for the future, by people who we have no trust in and never consulted us, or give a tinker's cuss of our feelings and views. AFC? No, our government and it's most recent military adventure in Iraq. Any voices of protest? Sack the governor? Oust the board? Reduce our admission prices? No, not a word. This is not a criticism of these people who offer a deafening silence on such matters, as often pointed out-this is a football website. Just a comparison, a parallel. In the meantime we have a big game looming, and I make no demands on the team except do their best. Let's hope for a great performance. Come on Arsenal!

  37. Westlower

    Oct 03, 2014, 8:08 #58418

    @Hiccup Farewell matey, life will never be the same again. Say hello to Jeff on your way out as I'm sure he'll be back with a vengeance should everything go tits up on Sunday, along with FJ, Marcus, Danny & co....What's the odds on them all returning with their warm, glowing praises of all things AFC?

  38. Hiccup

    Oct 03, 2014, 6:58 #58417

    Seriously guys, I'm gone. Don't try talking me round or being nice to me so I change my mind. I'm out of here, never to return. Over and out.

  39. Hiccup

    Oct 03, 2014, 6:17 #58416

    And when I say I'm gone, I mean gone. Never to return. Over and out.

  40. Ozzie

    Oct 03, 2014, 5:50 #58415

    Club being charged by UEFA for "insufficient organisation?" Come off it, how do you control a pack of loonies?

  41. Hiccup

    Oct 03, 2014, 5:47 #58414

    I see Me Contradiction is back in the full swing of things after his paddy earlier this week. Some hurtful remarks on here last night. Have a pop at me for as long as you like. It's water off a ducks back. But when you make jibes at fellow posters like bard and mg, that's when I get angry. I can feel the veins in my neck throbbing ten to the dozen! Hence we've just had a family meeting at this unearthly hour, and it is with regret, that I feel I can no longer continue to write on here, and shall be taking my custom over to arseblog. No goodbye speech, no tears. Over and out.

  42. DW Thomas

    Oct 03, 2014, 2:10 #58413

    GBP take a chill pill mate. We all have right to an opinion, even one that does not suck the teat of OGL! This team is maybe closer than we have been for awhile to a complete squad. Yet there are still gaps. You don't have to work a day in football to know that. There are plenty of overpaid, egotistical know it alls in any job that have little to no insight on anything. As far as Wenger goes I think he is a knowledgeable coach bit his ego gets in the way. That is obvious to me by his comments and inaction and sticking with sub par players too long. But these are the same arguments we've made for a long time. A win vs Chelsea would be a huge statement and shut up this and many of us so called WOBs. More than anything I just want an honest competing team with grit and heart. Sanchez and Welbeck have it. Perhaps these two can start a chain reaction within the others. Here's to a great result, or at least a proper go!

  43. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 03, 2014, 0:45 #58412

    As for the flares that were thrown how were they got into the stadium? were there no searches? if so how were they missed? so much for security, if it was a home fan like myself who was entering the stadium with a wife and two children who had an empty wine bottle with the contents enjoyed in the company of Charlie George and John Radford and the label then signed by both confiscated after a thorough search and the promise it would be kept safe for me with my name attached to it only never to be seen again there seems to be more effort taken, lets hope someone has got a right bollocking or more preferably given their P45.

  44. JAMIE

    Oct 02, 2014, 23:32 #58409

    In a way the wob's did us a favour when they helped van persestrings leave.They made way for Welbeck who imo will be far more than a one season wonder.

  45. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 02, 2014, 22:57 #58408

    Bard, yes spot on, it's all we wanted/want, a team that can stand toe to toe with the best and compete especially in our own league/division and even Europe it's not that we're not big enough and cant afford it. Due to popular opinion no body wants or has asked for or demanded (not that we'd be listened to anyway we only help pay their wages) forty fifty sixty million pound players (but of course wouldn't say no who would) just players who are good enough and up to the job and can do it and there was plenty of those available over the years even though some would have you believe there wasn't, not over the hill donkeys, players who were/are good enough to avoid humiliations and embarrassments (thankfully we seem to have a few of those now but time will tell but still some of the former)players who wouldhave/will go out and give their all and not capitulate, and give everything and do the club and fans proud, and like i've said if we're beaten by the odd goal (not five or six) by a better team while doing it so be it, nobody can complain about that, it's when we go out and make ourselves a laughing stock getting stuffed by the big boys by five six seven eight and indeed the wee boys and it's not that that's a one off or happens now and again it's happening all the time and has been happening for years (and indeed some fans seem quite happy about it) and nothing been done about it and that is one of the things that has the majority of fans pissed off(only one mind) but I suppose for that to change and to be rectified along with other issues we need a competent manager.

  46. Torbay gooner

    Oct 02, 2014, 22:51 #58407

    Well done Danny, very early days of course, but hopefully this guy could be the real deal. Very relieved we did not buy the vastly over-rated Balotelli. Fast forward Sunday, can we please put up a strong performance against Chelski. If we can actually defend as a team, we certainly have the players that can hurt them in the final third.

  47. kilkenny cat

    Oct 02, 2014, 22:39 #58406

    What really annoys me about the akbs is that they insult everyone who doesn,t agree with them. If you are happy with Wenger,s management,tactics ,team selections etc then thats grand its your right to do so. Fans who dont support Wenger,s ways are equally entitled to do so. We all want the same thing,with the exception of 1 or 2 planters from the pigeons or the chavs maybe.

  48. JAMIE

    Oct 02, 2014, 21:39 #58405

    GBP.Excellent last post mate couldn't agree more.Most wob's you meet are so bloody bone it's unbelievable.Driving home this evening I was listening to talk sport and Adrian Durham who was to be fair praising Arsenal a bit then come the phone in and the AAA whinging boring lets all talk in a monotone way and whinge about Arsenal wob brigade.You'd have thought we had just been beaten by a third tier team.Last year I had to laugh when I saw them holding up their spend cards at the game.They all have grey faces with podgey little bellies big red hooters,eyes popping out of their heads, and miserable expressions on their faces.They munch on their pies,moan about the atmosphere yet they never sing,moan about the ticket prices,moan about all the players bar whoever is flavour of the month,boo if the team are not 4-0 up at half time slag of Wenger calling him clueless,praise up the opposition then bugger off grumbling to themselves.

  49. Mr wenger

    Oct 02, 2014, 21:30 #58404

    Hope Jeff is ok....I'd be gutted if he is being buried this Sunday.

  50. GBP

    Oct 02, 2014, 20:06 #58403

    Bard - im sure youre now drinking the same water as your clueless mates hiccup and Maguirebridge. You now sound like them as you increasingly shoot from the hip with your broad brush comments.It must be tainted water and as such its sending your brain as fuzzy as their. Nobody likes or accepts capitulations but to any team thy happen at any time. Some years back Utd when at their peak were hammered 6, 6 and 5 in as many weeks. The old Arsenal team of double winners took a couple of sound thrashings too. It happens and its cyclical. Last Season it was our turn. Spending is everything to many on here, else why do they shout for heavy spending every day? You want 'a team that competes'? What utter tosh. Do you seriously think our record for 18 years hasn't been competing? There was a reason why Arrsene Wenger said that people 'who hadnt worked half a day in football' knew nothing about the game. You lot as you slag off our players our tactics and our methods clearly dont. AW had you lot in mind im sure when he said it. Do you have any Clue why these Coaches are paid so much? Do you have the remotest idea what it takes to become a top level footballer? Do you have the slightest idea of what it takes to be truly fit? Have you ever seen the curriculum that Coaches need to pass to qualify? I'm sure you havent because if you had your merciless slagging off of players and Coaches simply wouldn't occur. The garbage posted by you lot condemning everything about the players and Wenger on here is reaching new lows. Youre absolutely clueless, the whole lot of you, all feeding off each others dissatisfaction, trying to outdo each other with the levels of dissatisfaction that you each have. Im damned sure not many of you have played to any level and i doubt very much that there are that many on here who actually even see many Arsenal games. Youre a bunch of armchair couch potatoes holding Court on a web site, slapping each others backs and high fiving each other as the intensity of your insults increase where thankfully nobody that counts takes any notice. Pathetic. COYG - You dont deserve this bunch of oinks.

  51. David

    Oct 02, 2014, 19:55 #58402

    BADDIE- friends? Of course! Iron sharpens iron, as the proverb goes

  52. Bard

    Oct 02, 2014, 18:55 #58401

    MG: 100% with you on that one. There is a lot of rubbish on here that the Moonies want endless trophies and endless spending or variations on the theme. No we want a team that properly competes. Last season we were 4 down in 20 mins, that's unforgivable to my mind. No Arsenal team should capitulate like that. Show some cojones sat and if we lose so be it. At least there is dignity in the loss. We had a few like that last year And there have been too many over the years for my liking. The difference between the so called wobs and the AKBs is that for one group that kind of capitulation is acceptable and for the other it isn't. Trophies and spending has got nothing to do with it.

  53. BADARSE

    Oct 02, 2014, 18:52 #58400

    Touche David, friends then? or friendly at least? Incidentally, there are lots of bits of me that don't work too well now, I wish they worked as well as that little router.

  54. David

    Oct 02, 2014, 18:33 #58399

    @BADARSE - pretty much eeeeeveryone commented about the router...Physics? I'm still a Newton man. Especially the 3rd Law. With every post on this blog boiling down to AKB v AMG, what more evidence is required for irresistible forces and immovable objects?

  55. jjetplane

    Oct 02, 2014, 18:31 #58398

    Nice match report in Independent online though articles to the right have one with Wenger's worst 11 signings. They missed quite a few biggies so we could be talking two teams and enough left over to rival Chelski's loan library. Happy anniversary but what Ox really said was '..... Happy days!

  56. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 02, 2014, 18:03 #58396

    DJ, I hear you there, it's not so much the defeats that piss fans off it's the manner of them especially humiliations and we just carry on clueless how to do anything about them. As you say if we do get beat on Sunday lets go down fighting with dignity having sweated blood for the cause and given as good as we've got even if it's by the odd goal, and not another embarrassing defeat which leaves us a laughing stock and the but of jokes yet again, is it to much to ask?

  57. BADARSE

    Oct 02, 2014, 17:45 #58395

    Oh, I get it David, you are making a joke that I was telling fibs about that router, what a hoot. Of course you are an individual who blindly believes some with delusional physics shattering suggestions, and not others about trifling incidentals, still all about priorities I suppose. Anyway you will be pleased to know that I now have a fibre-tipped pen style router, so I can colour my posts in any way I like. You know, red and white, yellow and blue. It is also very fast, just a shade faster than the speed of light. Now Einstein's theory still holds true, nothing can travel faster than light, however there's a cunning piece of a little known fact going on here. Space is moving also, as the universe ever expands. So the particles of light are travelling faster than light itself. Meaning the light from some galaxies will never reach earth, (or the dark side of the moon). It also means at some time in the future, probably a Tuesday at five past three, the universe will go dark, because the light from any star will be too far away from any other star and still travelling away from each other, meaning the light from each will never reach anything. With odd circumstances like that to grasp you would think sorting out a football team would be easy, wouldn't you? Good old Arsenal, good old routers, and good old Einstein.

  58. Hiccup

    Oct 02, 2014, 17:34 #58394

    Back to winning ways; Have Arsenal turned a corner; Arsenal put Burnley to the sword. Same headlines recycled for years and will continue to be recycled for snother 3 years. Can only dream of headlines like 'Mourinho refuses to shake hands after Arsenal defeat' or 'Arsenal see off United'. Anyway, you can only beat what's put up in front of you. Unless of course it's Chelsea, City or United they put up.

  59. BADARSE

    Oct 02, 2014, 17:06 #58393

    Bard, mentally I am sitting across the table from you in the Flying Horse. I am nursing my drink, and can only offer a,'Don't know'. I truly cannot fathom the reasoning either. I have bitten my lip on many occasions, watching Cygan, Almunia, and one or two others. Let me say, I could see the promise in Adebayor, and latterly Alex Song, and took brickbats from other Gooners, because of it, quite heatedly on one occasion. Mind I have had that defending Rosicky, who is my favourite type of player. So who is to say, if a fellow Gooner can't/won't see what I/you see, how can we assert that AW should see it? Some decisions, or situations are difficult to analyse and I mentally shrug when it begins to hurt my head. I see I am losing you, you are becoming distracted by my chasing the end of the straw in my glass of lemonade around, with my tongue. Seriously, it is a conundrum. I do know that many, yourself not included, think that player assessment, purchase, implementation within the team, and arriving at a positive conclusion is a simple process. Being close up and personal, seeing lads in training, and perhaps performing well and 'doing it' can influence the coach. I know there are kids in my grandson's team who can perform in training, in seven a side games for instance, but are much weaker on the day. It is beguiling and frustrating because you know the ability is there because you have seen it with your own eyes. So many factors to consider, and I don't have any answers to your simple question, I only have reasoned guesses, and despite arriving at a different overall remedy to yourself, they are reasoned. I love this club and the circles the problems produce in my mind make me dizzy on occasions, just trying to understand 'why'. I do know that a football club is run along secretive lines. You cannot give too much away, cards need playing close to the chest. The most important reason is for the individuals, so as not to destroy fragile confidence a player, or players might have. That sort of leaves us in the dark many times. All very confusing. Oh, it's your round.

  60. David

    Oct 02, 2014, 16:45 #58392

    good to see that the AKB routers are up and running again.

  61. Bard

    Oct 02, 2014, 16:30 #58390

    Baddie, you're dead right but what needs explaining is why we are always a couple shy of being proper contenders every season. I have no idea what the real reason is but it's seems perverse to me. We had the Almunia saga for a few years when he wouldn't buy a top keeper. Then it was a centre half. Recently he hasn't wanted to buy a strike although by luck or judgement we have solved that conundrum. Money can't be the issue so what is it ?

  62. BADARSE

    Oct 02, 2014, 16:29 #58389

    'It's really good to give him that performance. We know how much the boss has given this club, numerous players, backroom staff, and the fans, over the years. Since I've been at this club he's been absolutely unbelievable for me, and everyone that I've played with. It's really nice to see him get to this milestone. Hopefully he's got many more years to come, because we all really love working with him. It was also important for the team to get three points, and he'll be really happy with that.' The Ox, talking of Arsene Wenger's eighteenth anniversary at Arsenal Football Club.

  63. BADARSE

    Oct 02, 2014, 15:39 #58388

    DJ, employed correctly that is a winning style, fast counter-attacking, and a trio of fast players, who can all find the net, hurtling at you. Built upon a solid base it can prove successful; perhaps a man or two could transform this team.

  64. Bard

    Oct 02, 2014, 14:42 #58385

    Fozzy, that tackle was a leg breaker you're dead right. The ref was like a throw back to 80s. Looking forward to the Chelsea game, a chance for redemption after last seasons abject capitulation. A bore draw would suit me. If we go after Chelsea like yesterday against Gala we will come unstuck, Maureen likes to play counter attacking football, he's not big on going for it.

  65. Tony

    Oct 02, 2014, 14:39 #58383

    Just heard Kevin Campbell on the radio use the magic 3 words on how we should play at Chelsea,Park The Bus.West Ham did it at the Bridge last season as did Chelsea at Liverpool and of course the Spuds against us last week.We cant afford to lose.If we do the title is over for us for the 11th year running.I would go 5 at the back Bellerin Chambers Kos Mert and Gibbs across the back.If we play as open as we have this season i can see an easy Chelsea win.But of course Wenger doesnt do tactics thats why he has never beaten Mourinho

  66. DJ

    Oct 02, 2014, 14:31 #58382

    BADARSE: Thanks for the compliment won't mention the hundreds of times I call it wrong! Let's hope we take that formation to the bridge and if we go down at least go down fighting unlike last season.

  67. Fozzy

    Oct 02, 2014, 14:25 #58381

    Thoroughly enjoyed myself last night, especially as we didn't have to endure the usual nervy times which have been far too common of late. The atmosphere was brilliant. Welbeck reminded me of a certain "Former Best Player in the World" (TH) with his superbly taken goals. Yet again, we witnessed yet another hopelessly inept ref. Where does the CL get them from? That outrageously violent two footed piece of thuggery on Sanchez which Gerrard would have been proud of, should have been a straight red.

  68. Finsbury Joe

    Oct 02, 2014, 14:19 #58379

    The flat track bully boys strike again. It will be oh so different at the weekend

  69. David

    Oct 02, 2014, 13:35 #58378

    It's a funny thing - I don't remember AW struggling tactically between 96-2004. The team was a slight variation of back 4, 2 central box to box DMs, inside forward/winger, two centre forwards. Maybe an AKB can explain why he doesn't use the same sort of formation any more?

  70. jjetplane

    Oct 02, 2014, 13:35 #58377

    Galatasaray were like we were against Dortmund. Rubbish. Only saw a bit of highlights but the OX and Sandchez are looking great (Ox pass for Danny's third was pure DB10) and Mesut was happy with the patterns for once and the fact we had a pacey striker up front who is quick enough to not look has though it was a struggle during the high intensity moments. Giroud in similar conditions would not get a hatrick but would throw his hands up for at least two of them (silently complaining about the pace of the ball). That he has got a new contract at 80t a week smacks of OGL's reverse bad faith (see Satre) on players who are not suitable for our game. Picks of the night were Ox, Sandchez and Wellbeck which is good news on the offensive. They are all so speedy and direct it seemed effortless against a very poor side on the night. So Carzola gets a turn in the DM slot and if not really tested it may give these players a better idea of defending in order to attack. Goalkeeper is still a major accident and Sanchez was not happy with his blot on the night. Sanchez demands more and so he should. At moments Arsenal going forward were a scarey dream and blah blah with the right energetic coach who would immediately (we hope) would be looking to get a few more Calums in. The money is there but will the manager's perversity for 11 attacking players (that is what the goalkeeper was sent off for!) hold sway yet again as the rumour is Cavani is on the radar for January which is fine but then why give Giroud that kind of money. About that wage budget WESTIE .... Anyway - here's to Danny Welbeck, Costa, Koeman and all the other things that make football a great thing. GBP you need to enjoy these wins - you sound very unhappy as is the case with much AKB postings. The underlying spitefulness and manipulation is all too apparent. But it is a mere democracy and every voice is worth a whirl. Just want JAMIE to admit he really likes Costa. Will Carzola on Wiltshire be doing the 'Vieras' on Sunday? A draw would be exceptional but a win with Calum hitting a 'nutty Nigel' would really do it for me. Fingers crossed and here's to 'the new coach' - 'who are ya...' MGUIRE it's a Kerry/Mayo/Cockney mix me old mucker!

  71. BADARSE

    Oct 02, 2014, 13:28 #58376

    DJ, I said yesterday I liked your posts, and I want to draw attention to the fact. You nailed it yesterday when you suggested we might have Ox and Alexis wide, with Danny in the centre-three fast and direct players. So it was. I have long believed our style of football is best served by fast wide men, and we had a marked absence of them. With only a still-developing, 'hot and cold', Theo we were struggling. The three last night are the finished articles and I believe Theo had arrived also, at the point of his injury against the Sours. With fast wide options our game goes to a different level. We still need to address weaknesses of course. The ruling on the keeper incident is a real bone of contention for me. A clumsy, ill-judged attempt results in a penalty, quite rightly. A yellow card is also acceptable, but a red, with the subsequent ban? That is heavy-handed in my opinion. By contrast an individual who did actively intend to take out Alexis, and perhaps injure him is allowed to stay on the pitch. Something should be arranged to stop this kind of anomaly, even a ten minute 'sin bin'-for keepers who mistime a smothering attempt-ruling would satisfy surely?

  72. kilkenny cat

    Oct 02, 2014, 13:03 #58373

    It was a good performance,and Welbeck,the Ox and the world class Sanchez were all superb. But they played right into our hands and made it an easy night. Shame the keeper had another rush of blood. Shouldn,t get too carried away,when the carthorse is back Welbeck will be on the wing and the Ox on the bench. That genius ogl is so predictable.

  73. Tony Evans

    Oct 02, 2014, 12:44 #58370

    Looked much more balanced going forward and if only we were more accomplished at the back we could be the real deal this year. Therein lies the perennial problem - Wenger does not prioritise defence enough. Therefore we are more than likely on course for 2nd place in the group, and then it's over and out yet again in the last 16 because we can't defend well enough against the better sides. With that in mind it is hard to get too excited about last night's performance I am afraid.

  74. DJ

    Oct 02, 2014, 12:33 #58369

    It should also be mentioned the team had a much better balance with two natural wide men and Ozil behind Welbeck. Let us hope we continue with that formation esp in home games against lesser opposition.

  75. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 02, 2014, 12:33 #58368

    Bard, OGL wasn't the only one talking him up, no word of him now, as Unchives says he's now nowhere to be seen I wonder why.

  76. chris dee

    Oct 02, 2014, 12:20 #58367

    And Sunday comes the real test. Arsene can you remember last year?We can't forget it,it was 6 frigging 0! It's been a long long time since we went to a rival and got the points,please please Arsene show us we really are 'up for the fight'. Me,I'm already sick thinking about what could happen to us.

  77. JAMIE

    Oct 02, 2014, 11:55 #58365

    Arsenal are so suited to Danny Welbeck,you can see what he meant when he said he always dreamed of playing for Arsenal and getting on the end of those delightful midfield passes rather than a load of manure journeyman donkeys just hoofing the ball forward and hoping either he van persestrings or shrek got a lucky bounce.

  78. We've got Jack and Danny

    Oct 02, 2014, 11:46 #58363

    Thank you very much for Danny Welbeck, thank you very much, thank you very very much (Roses chocolate ad. It worked for Man U fans goading Leeds about Cantona.)

  79. AMG

    Oct 02, 2014, 11:41 #58362

    I love seeing an Arsenal striker with pace, power and most importantly, poise. We must not get carried away, I remember Bendtner scoring a CL hatrick against Porto. That second goal by Welbeck was the most pleasing by a mile, it reminded me of the goal Henry scored away at Leeds when he headed the ball in front of him and outpaced the defenders to slot past Robinson - Keep it up Danny boy! What a nice lad as well.

  80. GBP

    Oct 02, 2014, 11:39 #58361

    Good win Kev. The opponent wasn't brilliant but as they say its the task to beat what's in front of us and we did it well. You've not mentioned AW yet already this thread is developing into yet another tirade of mindless, factually incorrect rants from the usual misery mob. Same old, same old!

  81. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 02, 2014, 11:21 #58359

    Off course we wouldn't have Kev, we'd still be ploughing away with the cart horse, so well done Ivan, and well done Danny Boy it's wonderful what a non wenger signing can do when allowed to of course)and well done the team you put the turks to the sword alright it makes a fresh change but did we expect anything else. But there always has to be some controversy (no not the referee) i'm sure he had a good game for a change as we've won, this time it was Szczesny doing his impression of flappy but as you say Ospina doesn't look bad for the price (must have been another Ivan signing) and we'll not have to wait for the FA cup to see more of him now. So we continue our usual route in the CL with more dough in the bank and more to come for a team that can't compete with the big boys financially. And it's one of them big boys on Sunday and we'll not find it so easy as last night, they'll have bigger bullies so lets hope we don't hide and hope Danny Boy continues his form and bags another one or two it's long overdue, well done young man and Ivan as well.

  82. David

    Oct 02, 2014, 11:21 #58358

    Giroud and Welbeck might be a good traditional CF pairing, if AW is prepared to play CFs.

  83. Bard

    Oct 02, 2014, 11:19 #58357

    Good post Kev. I endorse everything you have said about Welbeck. The boy has real pace and strength. I think comparisons with a young Henry are reasonable. A real step up from Giroud who will mostly likely spend the next part of his career warming the bench. Interesting comment on Sanogo who I seem to remember was being talked up by the boss as the next big thing despite not being able to a cows arse with a banjo. We still look very vulnerable in midfield and at the back. I don't think Chambers has the pace to be right back, he struggled to get forward in the way Sagna did. Still a great confidence booster for Saturday and boy will they need it.

  84. Unchives

    Oct 02, 2014, 10:51 #58355

    Very good performance, the group is looking a lot easier to qualify from and the final positions could be decided on the home tie with Dortmund, however someone should now pull the goalkeeper to one side and have a word, as his reflexes move much to fast for his brain. Regarding Welbeck, the boy is looking extremely good, however this shows up the manager who originally wished to continue with Sanogoals, who is now, nowhere to be seen. Is that a sign that the manager knows what he is doing?.......I don't think so!

  85. Two up front for every match, Wenger

    Oct 02, 2014, 10:35 #58354

    Welbeck up front, Welbeck up frooonnt we've got Dany Welbeck, Van Persie's a c-word!

  86. TJ

    Oct 02, 2014, 10:23 #58353

    Well Galatasaray were all over the place, especially with that dodgy formation. That said, it hardly takes away from Welbeck's performance; he exploited space brilliantly on three occasions and as Merse said afterwards, was world class in his movement throughout. It's easy to forget but he's gone from being a bit part player at United mainly on the wing to needing to lead the line for Arsenal, gelling with new players and scoring goals. He's already doing a great job. I far prefer him to Giroud who is far, far too slow, and scores about 80% of his goals from crosses. If only we could counter attack against the big teams: with Welbeck, AOC, Sanchez and maybe Walcott as a front four with a strong defensive shield behind we could be devastating away from home rather than on the end of major defeats!