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Online Ed: Arsenal unable to bridge the gap



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The visit to Chelsea does not require a particularly lengthy examination. The better team won, and the result and performance were merely confirmation of what we have seen so far this season. The Blues, in their second season under Jose Mourinho since his return, are stronger than 2013/14 and it is difficult to see past them as title winners. There is even a worry that they might match Arsenal’s ‘Invincibles’ season if they can stay relatively injury free. They have negotiated the toughest fixture of the season by visiting Manchester City and coming away with a draw. Will anyone beat them at home? Who would you fancy to beat them when they travel? Manchester United have the firepower, but not the defence to do it. Liverpool? Arsenal? Mourinho’s side mix control of matches with individual moments of brilliance and just enough cynicism to keep eleven men on the field.

In mitigation for Arsenal, they were shorn of a potential four first choice starters whilst Chelsea were full strength. Whether or not the presence of Debuchy, Arteta, Ramsey and Walcott would have affected the result, we will never know. Certainly Calum Chambers’ booking in the first half meant he was not able to halt Eden Hazard’s run that led to the award of a penalty. There were red cards that could have been awarded on either side, although Arsène Wenger’s reaction to the Gary Cahill ‘challenge’ on Alexis was doubtless a consequence of the similarity to the fouls that broke the legs of Eduardo and Aaron Ramsey. Fortunately, the contact was not three inches higher, or the Chilean might have been out for the remainder of the season.

Chelsea were quite prepared to pick up yellow cards to prevent Arsenal developing moves, a tactic that worked. Ultimately, the game was decided by moments of quality. Hazard’s run for the penalty. And in the second half, the precision of Fabregas’ pass and Costa’s finish. Decisive moments that the visiting team were unable to create. There was too much deliberation and waiting for the perfect opening, so much so that neither Courtois nor Cech was seriously tested. Wilshere and Cazorla had the best opportunities, but both lacked control at the vital moment.

Arsenal did battle hard, with the exception of Ozil, who largely seemed to be a passenger, totally unsuited to this kind of game. Why he remained on the pitch as others were hooked off was a bit of a mystery, and if he was to start the game, why not put him behind Welbeck and use Cazorla wide? A lot of the work he does is tidy in terms of possession, but it has no effect, little cutting edge, when the defence he is up against is organized and not leaving spaces. Mourinho knew exactly how Arsenal would play, and his team nullified them. Granted, Arsenal competed and were only exposed on limited occasions (certainly an improvement on last season), but the margins were there for all too see. In the key areas of the pitch, the Gunners were simply second best.

Wenger put the defeat down to ‘financial resources’ in his post-match interview, which seems a strange thing to say when Chelsea are now abiding by FFP rules and his own club had an circa £65 million available and unused at the end of the summer transfer window. He was also of the view that Arsenal had more shots on target, suggesting he might be getting delusional. To beat the likes of Chelsea, Arsenal need to mix it up a bit in attack. Try something different, take a chance by shooting and following up on rebounds, fizz balls in from the byline and get numbers in the box attacking. The tippy-tappy eye of the needle stuff is not going to work. There are young, hungry managers in other countries who have shown that bigger spenders can be overcome with motivation, winning tactics and good organization. This is how Arsenal can return to the glory days. Winning a trophy and at least showing the they could compete in the league for three quarters of the season in 2013/14 was a boost to the club, but it does appear that now, they may be slipping backwards, that the FA Cup was a peak rather than a platform to greater things.

Obviously the motivation of the club’s controlling shareholder is a factor here. If he is happy with what Arsène Wenger is achieving, then nothing is going to change quickly. And able to extract money from the club in the form of payment for advisory services, Stan Kroenke is obviously content. He certainly has no interest in football beyond the possible financial benefits it can bring him. Trophies are not a huge issue for him. A huge contrast with Roman Abramovich, but at least, going forward, now that a leveler playing field is in theory developing, at least Arsenal should make the most of their available resources to compete. It’s not happening though.

A different manager may have cut his losses with Mesut Ozil and used his option to bring Cesc Fabregas back. Wenger didn’t because he wanted to keep Ozil. Fair enough, but he could have afforded to bring Cesc back and play him where Chelsea played him today instead – as one of two deeper screening midfield players. He certainly had the money. Instead we are left to rue the thought of the Spaniard finally lifting the Premier League trophy with another club, as Robin van Persie did almost 18 months ago. Both players left Arsenal because they wanted championship winners medals on the sideboard before their careers were up, and they knew they were unlikely to get them under Arsène Wenger.

Games like those at the Bridge tell us why. Not quite good enough. When opposition fans are chanting, ‘Arsène Wenger, we want you to stay’, people can draw their own conclusions. No-one sees an Arsenal team under his stewardship as credible challengers anymore. Good to watch sometimes, but not a serious threat.

On a separate note, the fans that decided to take flares to the Bridge, and presumably let them off when they realized they were unlikely to get them through the body searches, should be aware of the implications for their fellow supporters. Body searches at away games will now become more thorough and delay supporters getting in, causing inconvenience for everybody. Had they managed to get them in and let them off, the consequence may well have been a restriction on numbers at future away games as punishment. You have to wonder about the mentality of some that follow the team.

I am now on Twitter@KevinWhitcher01.

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  1. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 08, 2014, 13:06 #58873

    anti wenger, too late.

  2. anti wenger

    Oct 07, 2014, 19:55 #58831

    It's only a natural law that people get to their peak, then begin to decline. We've been lucky to have witnessed his best years and the titles that came with it, including the invincibles. I just hope he's smart enough not to overstretch it and destroy his legacy, the FA cup was a perfect platform to have bowed out on a high, but the opportunity was missed. It'll be most unfortunate if he ends up being booed out of the club, which at this rate is no longer unthinkable.

  3. Basil Brush

    Oct 06, 2014, 22:14 #58743

    Lets cut this financial resources BS out, we have 3 billionaire's who own large numbers of shares in the club - Kroenke, Usmanov and Moshiri, Usmanov in his own right is richer than Abramovich, Kroenke wont allow Usmanov a place in the board room, yet in 2007 Arsenal fans were seen holding banners saying 'Love Arsenal, hate Usmanov', I do question the intelligence of some of our fans, well you lot you've got what you wanted, enjoy one cup every 9 or 10 years morons. Kroenke out.

  4. Stuart

    Oct 06, 2014, 21:23 #58739

    Another game against a decent team, another meek defeat. I am so ****ing bored watching this **** under one of the biggest has-beens in world football. Still, what's ever going to change? Not spending money, extending the imebcile in charge's contract and getting beaten and not even competing against teams like the chavs, isn't that what the AKBs want?

  5. Why have we only got 6 defenders?

    Oct 06, 2014, 18:31 #58717

    Financial resources (GBP/Westlower)- Did the scenario you describe happen in the Premier League last year? And what about the other top league in Europe, La Liga? Did it happen there? If not, why not? Please explain, as this 'richest club wins every time' stuff is a bit too complicated for some of us.

  6. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 06, 2014, 17:42 #58703

    Gaz, Apathy rules at the club alright especially among fans(but not all fans) and no more so with OGL, saying with a growl and a face that looked like it was about to explode, the games over, we move on now. Embarrassing.

  7. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 06, 2014, 16:27 #58698

    Those who have said OGL embarrassed himself and the club on the touch line aren't wrong, especially when Mourniho came out of it looking good. Time for the embarrassment to go.

  8. Know Man

    Oct 06, 2014, 15:30 #58690

    It's not Ozil's fault the rest of our team are not very good. Ozil was excellent yet again, a genius, he made one good pass, in AFC fans eyes that means he scores 10 out of 10! This guy is useless, he's taking a place on the pitch away from either the Ox, Jack, Alexis or Rambo. I would not drop any of them for Ozil. He needs to be benched. Don't give me this rubbish about playing out of position, he has the freedom to move inside. He just isn't up for it, you cannot carry a player in this league.

  9. BADARSE

    Oct 06, 2014, 14:33 #58684

    Still in limbo?

  10. Goodarse

    Oct 06, 2014, 14:11 #58680

    Good News: Finally sorted out my internet problems that unaccountably happens after defeats. Bad News: Still post pretentious twaddle usually lifted off Google.

  11. Gaz

    Oct 06, 2014, 12:54 #58666

    Never thought I'd see the day when we use a 6-0 thrashing as some kind of 'marker' for suggesting yesterday was 'ok'. It wasn't ok at all in all honesty. They were pretty comfortable and we never had a meaningful shot on target. Quite frankly its kind of depressing how easily a lot of our fans have simply written this game off as 'one of those things'. Apathy rules at Arsenal FC...

  12. 71guns

    Oct 06, 2014, 12:53 #58665

    I went into this game hoping that we would show that we had something about us, I knew we wouldn't win but at least have a go and for the most part we did. Toothless ball retention has become our speciality over the years and we continue to mince about just inside the final third with no real idea of what to do and then in the blink of an eye we're a goal down. Yes we're all delighted that it wasn't 5 but how sad is that? What have we become? There are no positives really to take from this season so far, certain individual performaces continue to beggar belief and some are just not forfilling their potentional. Where do we go from here 4th? FA Cup? It's just so bloody depressing...

  13. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Oct 06, 2014, 12:52 #58664

    Arsenal performed much better than in last years' fixture, which shouldn't have been too hard anyway, and they performed much better against a better Chelsea side than beat them 6-0. But they still lost. Not much point in hand-wringing or agonising about it any more than necessary. This side is merely good enough to beat 14 others in the league, and secure 4th place. Well tell us something we didn't know.

  14. Tony Evans

    Oct 06, 2014, 12:45 #58661

    Only surprise was that we only shipped two this time. I expected nothing from the game and by the looks of it that was the case for all of us - bar Jamie! Sad times indeed.

  15. badrad

    Oct 06, 2014, 12:43 #58660

    Badarse, stop talking to yourself

  16. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 06, 2014, 12:10 #58655

    Simon, don't despair his time is running out as I've already said the old has been will not be hear that long.

  17. Financial resources

    Oct 06, 2014, 11:59 #58654

    The two clubs with by far the biggest financial resources will finish first and second in the table this season. Is that too complicated for people to understand?

  18. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 06, 2014, 11:54 #58652

    Peter pan an AKB super fan flew in from never never land, a very apt name indeed more commonly known as central command.

  19. BADARSE

    Oct 06, 2014, 11:37 #58650

    Now I have to break this to you either gently, or in a short, sharp, shock way. I choose the latter as you have been, are doing, and shall be, suffering interminably. Ok, here goes, I am addressing you. Just you. The only individual that posts on this fictional and imaginary website. If you are thinking, 'Does he mean me?' Then the answer has to be yes, there is only you. You had the misfortune of behaving in a less than acceptable fashion in your life. This was what you wanted and it didn't matter whilst you lived, but nearly ten years ago you died. You have been in limbo ever since. You shall remain in this state as recompense for your way of life. Just be prepared to accept humbly, and in a dignified manner. You may then be granted leave to depart this state sometime hence. In the meantime start chewing on your knuckles and begin fretting about the next, 'big' game.

  20. Chris

    Oct 06, 2014, 11:30 #58648

    I don't believe Kevin really believes Chelsea would be where they are today without the virtually unlimited resources they have been using for more than a decade now. The current squad was built with those resources, whilst even now they have circumvented FFP by having an army of players out on loan who were bought with those resources but can be cashed in on at will so bolster the coffers 'fairly' (ahem). So what Wenger said about financial resources was correct - and let's not also forget that we are told that Cesc's wage demands for a return to us were 'obscene' - I wonder why that might have been...?! As for suggesting the FA Cup was a peak - that's silly talk, so early in the season. I'd agree we looked better a year ago but to extrapolate wiildly like that is daft. So please, a little more objectivity and a little less Wenger bashing and your report would have more credibility!

  21. chris dee

    Oct 06, 2014, 11:26 #58647

    Sadly the defeat was the most predictable result in world football. Disappointed with Arsene with that shove on Mourinho,it should have been at least a right hook.After seeing Diaby,Eduardo and Ramsey all have ankles and legs broken by reckless 'tackles',all by English players by the way,another English player Cahill was inches away from breaking Sanchez's leg.A despicable tackle which led to Wellbeck's revenge tackle on Fabrigas.Martin Atkinson decision not to send off Cahill was a disgrace. But to repeat myself and many other postings we will not win the Premiership again with Arsene in charge.

  22. Chris

    Oct 06, 2014, 11:12 #58645

    Bard - Arsenal's wage bill bigger than Chelsea's? Where did you get that from? Not from the recent Swiss ramble article, that's for sure, which shows that Chelsea's was bigger than ours 2012-13 and that ours for 2013-14 is still not as big as theirs for the previous season....

  23. In Wenger We Trust

    Oct 06, 2014, 10:44 #58639

    Wait, you WOB blame Wenger if some thug breaks the leg of our players? Just like Danny Mills, you lot need to get your heads examine to check if there's a brain inside. Couldn't agree more, Jamie. There's also the matter of Cesc "Judas" Fabregas' handball in the box which the referee waved off. It was an obvious penalty that only the Chelsea supporters and the anti-Wenger rabble couldn't see. Like I said before to you lot, stop whining and support the club AND the manager. You people who want to bring in a new manager, could be a disastrous move like Moyes' time at Manu. People who said they support the club but not the manager is BS. That's a hallmark of a plastic fan. Be grateful Wenger still at our club. Arsene know best.

  24. Highbury Boy

    Oct 06, 2014, 10:15 #58638

    As usual an accurate summary Kev. One thing Wenger supporters claimed ,which was difficult to refute, was that new signings always said they had always wanted to come to Arsenal so that they could play under Wenger. Now it seems from comments and newspaper reports that though we had first option to re-sign Fabregas the personal circumstances which existed between the two of them when he left the club meant that there was no way he would re-join . Clearly any manager other than Wenger would have jumped at the chance to sign one of the best midfielders in the world and sorted out the surplus midfielders later. So because of Wenger we lost the chance to sign Fabregas. Btw Westie and his friends would have noticed the great odds now of 20-1 to win the PL. Now way behind Manu. I suppose it reflects that Manu are lucky they are not competing in the CL. Am sure Wenger can solve that problem. Finally I suppose we get the leader we deserve. At the Gala match some of the fans were singing "One Arsene Wenger….." near the end.

  25. DJ

    Oct 06, 2014, 10:02 #58637

    Jamie: You’re loyalty is to be commended but please don’t say it was a hopeful punt upfield for Chelsea’s second goal it was a beautifully lofted pass from a player called Cesc Fabregas. You may have heard of him he was doing thing like that for us for eight years! Don’t think Mesut Ozil is going to win player of year this season as had been predicted by his manager!

  26. Unchives

    Oct 06, 2014, 9:50 #58636

    @Jamie - I'm stunned that most on here seem to be taking sky's opinion that Chelsea were the better side. Arsenal were technically superior all over the park, even Mourinho almost admitted that in his interview. The frustration is that Wenger concentrates too much on the football & not enough on tactics to get the three points. Its the same Wenger mindset that frustrates as it does not glean results, when will he learn.I looked at the Cahill tackle again this morning, it looks even worse then when I saw it live, id rather lose the points then have our player injured for the season.

  27. Angry & Frustrated

    Oct 06, 2014, 9:18 #58635

    You can think what you like Jamie, and you are certainly very creative in your thought process in how to defend the indefensible! However one thing we can not be accused of is a knee jerk reaction, as most of us have realized your emperor has no clothes on for over 6 years now!

  28. JAMIE

    Oct 06, 2014, 9:01 #58634

    Lots of expected knee-jerking and a convoy of poop posts from our faint-hearted friends yet lets take things into perspective.Chelsea employed their parking of two blue buses knowing they couldn't compete with Arsenal's higher technical ability.That I can understand as lesser teams always defend deep against more illustrious opponents not to mention their diving tactics.What I found hard to accept was Chelsea's use of rotational fouling which we know is nothing new as Philip Neville said on MOTD Man U would always employ the same tactics 15 years ago when they played Arsenal.Wenger was right when he said Chelsea could have had three players sent of but then why should Chelsea bother when the referees allow them to get away with it.As far as the Arsenal possible sending off's were concerned Koscielney and Chambers cards both came about by clever Chelsea dives and would have been very harsh.The positives Arsenal performed much better than they did in the corresponding fixture in March,Chelsea's goals came from a clever penalty and a hoof up the park rather than any outstanding team play.Arsenal looked easily the better team for the majority of the match,Jack Wilshere looked very good and Wenger showed that he wasn't taking any crap from the Porta midget.

  29. Guy in Jersey

    Oct 06, 2014, 8:59 #58633

    Obviously there's no-one in world football who could possibly manage this Arsenal team better than Wenger. The results are there for all to see. Yes, believe me, there's not a single manager anywhere in the world who could possibly bring fresh ideas, better tactics, organisation and discipline to what is a talented, but rather skewed squad of international footballers. So we have to stick with Wenger, right?

  30. Angry & Frustrated

    Oct 06, 2014, 8:58 #58632

    Three is the answer to your question Man United Killer.

  31. Pradikat

    Oct 06, 2014, 8:48 #58631

    We have failed once again to recruit the players that were needed to at least challenge the top teams. Injuries in these crucial positions just highlights how stupid the manager,and the board have behaved during the summer. We are now left to pick at the scraps that the better teams don't want(in January) yet we are charged a fortune to watch rubbish. I feel sorry for the players that they are being led by such a fool. Th time has come to stop paying to watch home games until something is done about the manager empty seats will make some impact Im sure. Maybe Wenger will go and we can put Steve Bould in charge until May giving us time to identify the right person for The Arsenal.

  32. Simon

    Oct 06, 2014, 8:40 #58630

    Same old **** just a new season. Mertesaker and Koschelney are just above average and are not the sort of pairing to win you a title. We concede possession far too cheaply and it costs us time and again, it was a sloppy pass from Gibbs which put Sanchez under pressure who in turn lost the ball for Hazard to go on his run into the box and the two dummies at the back got caught ball watching for the 2nd. What pains me more than anything else was that there was a sense of relief that it was only 2-0, for some it was seen as a sign of progress where for me it seems that we as far from winning the major trophies as we ever had done. I have been a season ticket holder for nearly 20 years and the prospect of another 3 years of this **** depresses me. Only hen that specialist in failure finally ****s off will I start to feel a sense that we have a future. Before all of the AKBs start preaching about look what has happenned to Fergie, it's worth rememberring that both Moyes and LVG had toreplace a serial winner who had the sense to see his squad were in decline, no such problems for anyone who comes in after Mr ****ing Average!!!

  33. AMG

    Oct 06, 2014, 8:01 #58629

    There speaks the most deluded Arsenal fan by a margin - No IAWT, supporting the team now means the opposite of supporting the manager. He's harmful to this group of individuals, the whole lot of them will be much better off without Wenger, except maybe Diaby, Arteta and Flamini, who will be collecting their pension. How long will world class players go on fighting for a clueless manager, who doesn't know the first thing about tactics or protecting his skilful players? Maybe ask Nasri, RVP or Fabregas. How long before Alexis has his leg broken, I've seen 2 leg breaking challenges in 2 games, no protection = injuries. Support the team, ditch the manager.

  34. Torbay gooner

    Oct 06, 2014, 7:52 #58628

    Good review Kevin, although a more competitive performance than last season Chelsea were always in the driving seat. Embarrassing display from our manager on the touchline and in his post match comments. Why on earth does such an intelligent man allow Mourinho to get under his skin so? Oh yes silly me, of course 12 games zero wins. If I had a quid for every time a match report contained a variation of the following 'Ozil had a disappointing/quiet/ineffective performance' I would be well on my way to affording a cat A ticket by now, thereby guaranteering another quid in the kitty!

  35. Smithy

    Oct 06, 2014, 7:48 #58627

    IN WENGER WE TRUST- we can support the team, but Arsenal existed before Arsene a lot of people forget that. It is not Arsene fc, supporters are frustrated at his inability to change his tactics and structures of play.

  36. Bard

    Oct 06, 2014, 7:39 #58626

    Yesterday was a defining moment. By the beginning of Oct we are left with the FAC as our only hope for a trophy. I watched the game again this morning. We showed bags of effort but Chelsea were so strong, disciplined and organized. Their big players made their mark ours didn't. Defensively we were poor. It's hard to see where we go from here with Wenger in charge. In order to move forward we need different types of players and a better balance between attack and defence and a different approach to big games, that isn't going to happen under Wenger. Peter Pan, you need to get up to speed Hiccup was taking the p*** out of a few of the dummy spitters.

  37. In Wenger We Trust

    Oct 06, 2014, 5:44 #58625

    Disappointed with the lost, but seeing as it's was just a 2-0 scoreline, it shows we have improved from last season, so you anti-Wenger rabble quit your whining, our current situation isn't that bad. A few wins and we are back on the title hunt. The referee helped Chelsea as Gary Cahill should have been sent off with that challenge on Sanchez. Moroniho being an idiot as always. It's a credit to Wenger that he didn't punch that clown. We should be in a better position but as a true Arsenal fan knows, we have to support our team even in a bad situations. So quit your whining and support the team and the manager. Arsene knows best.

  38. Edmund

    Oct 06, 2014, 4:21 #58624

    Most fans wanted Fabregas back but Wenger always thinks he knows best. Too many like players in midfield? And for those who believe Fabregas didn't want to return, please cover your ears when he gave his post match interview.

  39. WENGER MUST GO ASAP(MARCUS)

    Oct 06, 2014, 4:20 #58623

    Ozil for me as I have said for along time did not want to come arsenal lol. He only came as he knew he would not be playing a lot at real Madrid under ancelloti. So to keep hes place in the German team he came. So to get regular football. He is so weak its unbelievable. The guy got barged of the ball by Snegider wow that is not even funny. He has a lot of ability but is a lightweight. He needs to get to the gym and start lifting get stronger. Look going from real Madrid to arsenal is a massive, massive step down for me right now. The guy made a wrong decision for me.

  40. Ozzie

    Oct 06, 2014, 4:19 #58622

    Ah, Bard, "...a few of us went to Wembley in May and saw us win the FAC. We're in the CL again too. That is success NOW. The teams on the up.....blah blah blah." Too many fans oughtn't be too upset, after all, many had and have voiced what they 'expected' right here. Cheer up folks, it's Hull at home next and le dross (oops) boss, will be handing out the sweeties.

  41. CT Gooner

    Oct 06, 2014, 2:47 #58621

    I don't disagree with much of the sentiment here today, but thought we played much better than expected. I liked the hard work from Alexis & Welbeck, though I thought Welbeck was wasteful. Carzola and Ozil were playing??? Didn't notice them! And Chambers is not a wing back, full back maybe, but I think he's best suited at centre half. For all the talk of Cahill getting sent off, what about Kos for the penalty, or Chambers on Schurle at 44 minutes? And then Welbeck at the end, that was bad! So yes, the result was as expected, but i don't see it as a performance that will change anyones views on the manager.

  42. Basil Brush

    Oct 06, 2014, 0:49 #58619

    Finsbury Joe - Usmanov is at least an Arsenal fan unlike Stan, he is also a lot richer that Stan, why do you think Dein aligned with Usmanov?, I know who I'd rather have, we'll rather have neither but Usmanov is the lesser of two evils, Stan won't take us anywhere near the top and certainly not with Wenger in charge.

  43. Fake Detector

    Oct 06, 2014, 0:47 #58618

    Finsbury Joe has mentioned the league table for the first time ...almost ever. I wonder why. Oh yes, it is one of those rare occasions when the Tossers are higher...in early October.

  44. Unchives

    Oct 05, 2014, 23:43 #58617

    I must have been watching a different game, Arsenal dominated the game, should have been a straight red for Carhill, and a penalty for handball. The deciding difference was quality of player. Arsenal identify Hazard & end up with Ozil....£42 million....what an utter joke! Still trying to walk the ball in the net. Costalot has one chance and puts it into the net, as for the pass from Cesc, need I say more.

  45. El Bodgeo

    Oct 05, 2014, 23:32 #58616

    With Fabregas, RVP, Adeyeyor & Song all looking down the league at us and laughing, please spare a thought for the unfortunate Carl Jenkinson. That poor bugger has got to come back to us at the end of the season!

  46. Finsbury Joe

    Oct 05, 2014, 23:10 #58615

    Usmanov Basil Brush.....really? A confirmed akb and money man, he would be just another Stan despite his empty words. There is no hope for Arsenal, other more ambitious outfits will soon overtake.its started already. Look at the league table.

  47. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 05, 2014, 23:09 #58614

    It's very stormy here tonight so i'm off to bed before the electricity goes off, obviously it already has in other parts of the country but i'm sure it'll be repaired and everything will be up and running again by lunch time tomorrow or maybe not.

  48. Man United Killer

    Oct 05, 2014, 22:48 #58613

    It doesnt matter how much money Wenger spends.A squad is only as good as it's tactics. Unfortunately tactical prowess is a scarce commodity in Arsene's box of tricks.

  49. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 05, 2014, 22:46 #58612

    MUK, don't forget moyes was such a bad manager and failure that he won more trophies in one year than OGF did in nine.

  50. Richard

    Oct 05, 2014, 22:32 #58611

    Ozil has to be the biggest flop in Premier League history (along with Torres). He has been here for over a year now and he is sh*t - end off....we all look stupid with some of the crap we come out with to try and defend him (a £40 million player) - and he does not deserve it, as he clearly has no desire to be here. Get rid. I love it when people say he was fantastic today - but no one saw it...perhaps I could get a game and tell everyone I was brilliant, and say you did not see it! We did not see it because he is crap.

  51. WEGER MUST GO ASAP(MARCUS)

    Oct 05, 2014, 22:31 #58610

    Look akbs please tell me how you can keep on defending this?? please tell me??? don't you get tired of the losses???

  52. DW Thomas

    Oct 05, 2014, 22:26 #58609

    Chelsea had better players at every position, hands down! We could have bought Hazard, no we'll take Gervinho. Could have bought Cahill, no thanks too expensive. Cesc coming back, nah, we've got Ozil. This club is and has been incompetent when it comes to WINNING for years now. How on earth can Wenger be at all upset? It is HIS own doing! The delusions filled into the fan base after 2006 and lack of desire has stagnated the club when we could have been so much more. Too use money as an excuse NOW is utterly and depressingly laughable. Funny, how we all knew this result was going to happen. Worse, good players like Ox, Cazorla, and Rosicky must stomach this manager. It is sad, yet we pay his salary and I don't haul in hundreds of thousands a week do I to win football matches.

  53. KC

    Oct 05, 2014, 22:18 #58608

    Depressing our record against good sides home and abroad is pathetic and past discussion. This ability to not learn not change is now an illness. To compete at the highest level we have to have a base to play from just like Cfc do. But no our manager believes defending is not allowing them the ball forgetting sometimes they have it! As for Ozil out of position does not help but he was poor, but the Ox had played well gets benched when it should have been him and Sanchez wide and Ozil behind Welbeck. It's time for change and please can we try for Klopp as soon as available.

  54. Peter pan

    Oct 05, 2014, 22:15 #58607

    Hey hiccup. I thought you threw the towel in a few days ago. "never posting on this site again" you said. What has changed your mind. er, im guessing cos we lost. Please go away. Leave this site to the people who care about the club and not someone who wants attention.

  55. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 05, 2014, 22:09 #58606

    Kilkenny, we could still be playing now and not have a SHOT on target thanks to the deluded ones tactics or lack off.

  56. Man United Killer

    Oct 05, 2014, 21:54 #58605

    GBP..."It was a match for Wengers critics to celebrate" Do you really believe that True Fans who are genuinely concerned about Wengers tactical ineptitude and lack of addressing obvious failings and gaps in the team will be celebrating a loss against our rivals? Is that what you think this is about? You may have to look up what 'celebration' means my friend.It's just another 'I told you so moment'...but celebration?I don't know about that.

  57. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 05, 2014, 21:54 #58604

    Bobbybigb, a lot of fans thought the same mate, a lot of others realised what your realising now a long time ago, others stupidly still believe he'll change and come good, it'll never happen and they know it. But don't give up, time fly's, and the old fraud won't be here forever, and could be gone before we think.

  58. spicer

    Oct 05, 2014, 21:41 #58603

    Hpw dreary to watch the same old errors, lack of a game plan and poor defending, yet again. Nothing has changed, despite the acquisition of some good players who deserve better management than this. Keown at lunchtime was telling the other panellists about how little Wenger bothers about planning for the opposition. And how it showed, as Hazard waltzed about freely. Fabregas of course was imperious as ever, someone we could have had playing for us, if it wasn't for the conceit of the manager that he didn't need him. The bargain basement defence is just not good enough. Kos is like a lower league player trying his best to keep up, but gives away penalties, and was nowhere near Costae when he should have been fighting for that ball, as Adams or Bould would have done. It is just a haphazard collection of players not a team, an ill-fitting assembly of good, some great, and journeymen players, without any discernible plan or tactics. Wenger has got away with it for a long time, but the writing isn't just on the wall, it is plastered over his face as he huffs and puffs, coming up with ever more fanciful excuses and evasions. Nothing much to look forward to except the race for fourth - with a pile of money sitting in the bank. How dispiriting, every new dawn fades.

  59. Its happened again

    Oct 05, 2014, 21:27 #58602

    As expected we turned up we had lots of the ball 40 yards from goal not once tested their goal then they picked us apart.Simple.Chelsea are two classes above us.They have match winners for the big games unlike Ozil and Cazorla who might as well have been sitting on the beach today.Arent so called good players supposed to turn up for the big games.Someone should tell them.Oh yeah Cesc a player Wenger said we didnt need because we had Ozil did turn up.Mourinho once again got the better of Mr £8m a year.But our deluded fans are happy to fill the clubs coffers and celebrate finishing 4th.The race for the title if ever we were really in it is over already.So get ready for statements from Wenger and Gazidis that our priority was always 4th and we cant compete with City and Chelsea.So the club will be refunding ST money?No didnt think so.Look forward to january for another Kalstrom type signing

  60. Man United Killer

    Oct 05, 2014, 21:27 #58601

    Angry and Frustrated...You made my day with your post 61866.Brilliant post! Good job..Even Moyes took 4 our of 6 points from Wenger.I have a question about our stats vrs Mou. Pld12 W0 D5 L7 F6 A21...How many of these draws were at home?

  61. Basil Brush

    Oct 05, 2014, 21:25 #58600

    What is there left to say really?, every game against top team = the same result, comments after games = the same, manager sulking = the same. I don't really see how this can be fixed without Wenger going, its the only chance we have of getting rid of the real villan of the piece - Kroenke, without Wenger he won't know what to do with the club so might be tempted to sell up with Usmanov hopefully waiting to buy.. either that or Kroenke will surprise us and make a good appointment as manager (unlikely), at least he won't be protected from the fans wrath so much though. FFP is only going to help us IF we have a good manager and ambitious owner, at the moment we have neither.

  62. Hiccup

    Oct 05, 2014, 21:20 #58599

    Bard, being serious for one minute and getting away from the playground spats that we witnessed wenger involved in today, I think you'll find the game in two weeks at home to Hull is where the judging will begin again. As can be seen, the verdict on today is can, and will do better. And we will do better, because where we measure ourselves against top teams, the apostles judge us against Hull and the like. A good resounding win and we'll be back to wiping eggs off our faces? I don't see no end in sight.

  63. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 05, 2014, 21:07 #58598

    It doesn't matter if we have a level playing field financially or otherwise. We still need a vibrant young up to date manager in charge, as long as we have a delusional old man whose not up to the job and taking us backwards in charge nothing will change.

  64. jjetplane

    Oct 05, 2014, 21:06 #58597

    WESTIE you missed out knee jerk reaction, toys out of prams and why can't you bleating sheep get behind Arsene FC. Or is that so last year? This is now officially the ugly phase and for the sake of this club and it's players (the Ox, Sanchez et al) can we at least let Bouldie take us through til next season while they sort out ownership and getting in a younger people friendly coach. Like others say - it's Maureen who sounds dignified. Creepy FC . About Alex Song .... LVG .... you could not make it up.

  65. smithy

    Oct 05, 2014, 21:01 #58596

    Every Arsenal fan expected it and it happened. We are not in Chelsea's league at the moment and it does feel like we are in a complete standstill. Nothing will change as Stan is content, we all need to sit on our hands and watch history repeat itself again. Arsene is too bloody minded to realise we have a problem, and too blind to see that good teams are built on solid spines. Our spine is weak beyond belief, centre defence, centre midfield and up front- we are lacking in all 3 areas.

  66. Bard

    Oct 05, 2014, 20:59 #58595

    Some great posts. Hiccup your humour is wasted on this site mate. I do love your posts Westie, they remind of the rather macabre joke about the bloke who goes to see his dr. The Dr says the bad news is you're dying of cancer the good news is you have altzeimers. The idea that that Walcott might be our salvation is both laughable and plain stupid. I don't know what game you were watching but Walcott wouldn't have made a jot of difference. We didnt muster a clear cut chance in 90 mins having spent all our money on offensive players.

  67. Finsbury Joe

    Oct 05, 2014, 20:46 #58594

    The club, owner, manager, players and many of the fanbase define the word "failure" Interesting to see the league table, teams supposedly having disastrous seasons now sit above Arsenal. What does that say to you? To me it says sixth or seventh come May. How on earth did Arsenal finish with eleven men? Looks like another crock on his way in Jan.....but he is Ozils mate....so that makes it ok....right?

  68. Red Member

    Oct 05, 2014, 20:45 #58593

    A co ordinated campaign to get rid of Wenger and the board needs to start now. It is now a matter of trying to save the club.

  69. Hiccup

    Oct 05, 2014, 20:43 #58592

    DJ I stand corrected. I could have sworn Sunderland were playing City? I see Sunderland have now got Southampton. Looks to me like the FA are once again rigging the fixtures after an international break to stitch Arsenal up.

  70. billdodgin

    Oct 05, 2014, 20:39 #58591

    Something for everybody there then. We did better than last year (AKBs). We still can't ( AKFA). I tend toward the latter view. If I was AW I would be spending my late season, summer and early season plotting the downfall of mourinho. He didn't obviously.He is paid far too much - more than mourinho - to worry about such things.Still, the finances are good, the owner is happy. Are you ? Ditch him. Get Klopp. PS. Supporting since 1959.

  71. John Gage

    Oct 05, 2014, 20:38 #58590

    I don't think the injuries would have made a difference to the result. In my opinion Chelsea simply had the better squad, were better organized and dare I say it had the better manager. Whatever your personal feelings towards Mourinho as a human being there is no doubt that he is a coach with has a deep understanding of what it takes to win titles and trophies, a clear vision of how he wants to play and the ruthlessness necessary to carry out his plans. I was impressed by the way he analyzed the weaknesses of his team from last season and addressed them in a systematic manner one by one, lack of creativity in midfield? The solution is Fabregas, lack of a top goal scorer? Enter Diego Costa...etc In the case of Wenger there seems to be a haphazard manner to how he approaches the transfer market and a lack of rigour to the manner in which he is addressing weaknesses in his squad. It could be that other factors, financial or otherwise is hindering him, or the consistent bad luck Arsenal seem to have with injuries but it makes you feel that they are lacking when it comes into breaking into the top tier.

  72. Bard

    Oct 05, 2014, 20:37 #58589

    The pressure is building up. The old excuses of lack of money are now off the agenda and Wenger is being exposed for what he is yesterdays man. His response to Maureen is proof that he is beginning to crack. We are well and truly into the last phase of a once great managers career.

  73. CORNISH GOONER

    Oct 05, 2014, 20:35 #58588

    No worries - the business is in excellent shape with dividends now being paid to the majority owner. This London based product appears totally recession proof - a Premier League "Waitrose". The main man has business skills akin to a french Bill Gates, unfortunately, as far as the football goes he is more a gallic Mr Bean. Today's handbags at dawn incident was even worse than those bloody speedos, so embarrassing. With apologies to the Coen Brothers, this is NO COUNTRY FOR AN OLD (out of touch) MAN. Doolally has been.

  74. Westlower

    Oct 05, 2014, 20:32 #58587

    CFC are a complete team playing at the top of their form. They are now 1/2 to be PL champions & even at that short price it's stealing money. We needed to score the first goal but never really looked like doing so. Annoying the ref gave Oscar a free reign to foul at will, particularly as Chambers was booked immediately. With our hardest fixture out of the way we now need to put a winning run together. Theo's return will give the team a better balance & extra goal threat.

  75. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 05, 2014, 20:31 #58586

    Kev we didn't have to wait long for you article, I suppose you could have had it already penned before the game no surprises, it's what we expected, SAD. A different League alright and bridge the gap? not as long as this old has been remains in charge we wont. So the Mourinho monkey remains on OGL's back (more like a gorilla now)and not likely to be brushed off, not on a football pitch anyway maybe on a beach at volleyball he's more suited to that. (although I wouldn't bet on it) So stuffed again I wonder whose fault it was this time, no doubt we'll hear. Time for change and the sooner the better we've been embarrassed enough.

  76. tippytappynevershooty

    Oct 05, 2014, 20:21 #58585

    Shapeless, toothless, flaccid garbage, what a surprise. We are now in limbo til he goes

  77. DW Thomas

    Oct 05, 2014, 20:02 #58584

    Ozil can't be pampered or coddled anymore! Cesc looked miles better than him! How on earth can Arsenal fans slag off Cesc?he surely would have come back, like the prodigal son. But Inspector Clueless thought no, he won't add anything to this team. What f..king delusions. His post match comments are a complete embarrassment. An man bereft of ideas and stuck with a losers badge of 0 for 12 vs his nemesis! The whole team bar Sanchez was hit and miss. Ox was the best player vs Galatassary, epitomizes what the team should be yet is benched??? Wenger is soooo past it its sad. Inept doesn't even begin to describe the situation!

  78. GBP

    Oct 05, 2014, 19:59 #58583

    Toothless wasnt it Kev. We had a lot of possession but most of it was allowed to us by Chelsea, Top team Chelsea are and so well marshaled to play the game of allowing us the ball and being patient waiting for the break which the 2nd goal was. The Fabs hand ball was a pen though. Chelsea s luck held there. Cahill and Welbeck should both have seen red. It was a match for Wengers critics to celebrate. No player tried to get to the bye line and neither full back pushed high enough to cause enough trouble. All in all it was a game plan to minimize damage and avoid another pasting, such is the profile of Chelsea nowadays. Arsenal should be taking the imitative in games not trying to keep the score down. Must do much, much better.

  79. TJ

    Oct 05, 2014, 19:56 #58582

    @DivingRooney, we never looked like scoring in the match. We didn't create one clear chance- it was only a matter of time before Chelsea scored- you can't try and sit back with a scrawny DM like Flamini and Cazorla aside him and hope to not concede. It was a great run by Hazard but even Koscielny was caught in the wrong position, and why didn't we produce any moments comparable to that?

  80. David

    Oct 05, 2014, 19:55 #58581

    Dispiriting, depressing and inevitable. It wouldn't have been too painful watching Cesc if the right players had been bought during the summer. Another season with 4th (hopefully) written all over it. .

  81. Bob

    Oct 05, 2014, 19:54 #58580

    Even at full strength, we would not have been able to prevent the two goals that cost us the game today. We have no defensive midfielder to stop players waltzing through our midfield at will, nor closing down players from finding time to pick out killer passes to the quality of finisher that we simply don't have. Wenger - please push off.

  82. DJ

    Oct 05, 2014, 19:43 #58579

    Hiccup: While your comedy musings are superb I think youll find Man City have Spurs at home next match so if they win and we manage to beat Hull at home we will be above Tottenham again and everything will be alright with the world!

  83. N4

    Oct 05, 2014, 19:42 #58578

    Good article but you might get shot about critising the manager with a younger one by the AKBs. The problem Under AW is that we don't even have a plan A...therefore, forget plan B! Although I said I would not wtch the game had I'm an ARSENAL FC supporter not Arsene FC supporter! We are simply not good enough and unfortunately you have to admire Mourinho! Also after the second goal I had to switch off the volume as I couldn't bear about the good things they were talking about Cesc...!

  84. Where's Wally is a Gooner

    Oct 05, 2014, 19:40 #58577

    I like Ozil as a number 10. However if he is going to play wide every other week we might as well sell him, go 442 and buy a Reus or a Draxler. Another depressing day in a big game. Welcome to fourth place.

  85. DJ

    Oct 05, 2014, 19:33 #58576

    It might be prudent to wait a few weeks before announcing the next season ticket hike! While expecting a lot more from Ozil his best game this season was at Villa behind Welbeck as number ten, he is and will never be a wide man in a five man midfield

  86. divingrooney

    Oct 05, 2014, 19:25 #58575

    Give the players some credit, Hazard did extremely well for get the penalty, and then score it. And Costa's control and finish was sublime. Wilshere had the best chance for Arsenal, but his first touch was well English. We can always cry about Fabregas but did he want to really return? He will always says the right things, cause he is a very calculated individual. But he chose to join Moaninho at Chelsea, need I say more...

  87. 1971 Gooner

    Oct 05, 2014, 19:24 #58574

    Better manager + better players + better tactical plans = Wenger 0 wins : Mourinno 7 wins. I'm not overly disappointed at losing today as like most of you I expected it. Wenger's performance on the touch line, like fans booing Cesc, wax a disgrace. He made the least classy manager in football look like the injured party and gave a disservice to the office he holds. Poor.

  88. fozzys mate

    Oct 05, 2014, 19:15 #58573

    Hiccup - you've just given me a laugh mate. 2 wins in 7 games. You sound like some Spurs fans who two years ago were boasting about only having been beaten by the Manchester clubs after 10 games.

  89. Hiccup

    Oct 05, 2014, 19:09 #58571

    jj, what tables are you looking at? The ones I've got in front of me are the 'teams with only one defeat to date' tables, and after Southampton's defeat today, that just leaves us, City and Sunderland. I think Sunderland and City play each other next, so fingers crossed that there'll be just two of us left with that prestigious honour.

  90. AMG

    Oct 05, 2014, 19:01 #58570

    Best part of £200m in cash reserves and Wenger blames financial power - Clueless! When you consider that Fabregas and Costa were offset against the sales of Luiz and Mata with some change to spare, it doesn't really stack up. We will never win the CL or PL under Wenger and Wenger will never beat Mourinho.

  91. Anthony

    Oct 05, 2014, 18:56 #58569

    Spot on. Wenger's post-match interview was spiteful, petty and a mode of wishful thinking. He made Mourinho look classy and that really is an achievement.

  92. Ian Ure's Son

    Oct 05, 2014, 18:56 #58568

    Wenger is a born loser. He has won nothing with teams he created himself. All his wins were on the back of players with attitude he inherited.....Adams, Keown, Bergkamp, Parlour, Winterburn, Wright, Dixon, Seaman, even Cole. Everything since then has been 'Le Grand experiment' - relying on technically gifted, well balanced individuals that can't cut it when it gets really tough, in combination with an obsession with FFP. The highlight of today's performance was Welbeck's tackle on Fabregas at the end, but it came too late. And the ominous sign was Cazorla's reaction to his substitution. Eventually players that have some attitude and really want to win (and can turn a game like today individually), want out of 'Le Experiment' - eg RVP, Fabregas, Nasri, Adebayor, Sagna Song, Wiltord, Gilberto (who endured the snub of being regarded inferior to Flamini), Vermaelen and...dare I say it...Henry. Mourinho and Ferguson would NEVER have let that lot go. We will never win the League or CL with Wenger at the helm. And I suspect Cazorla and Podolski have realised what all the aforementioned gentlemen finally worked out.

  93. Bard

    Oct 05, 2014, 18:55 #58567

    Moreorless how I saw it Kev. You were overly kind mate. How f*****g hard was that to watch Cesc orchestrate their win. Not buying him was an own goal of massive proportions. He was head and shoulders above all our midfield players bar Jack. For those beloved of stats, Arsenals wage bill now twice the Spuds and bigger than Chelseas, end product to be decided. Glad we showed some grit but not much else it was pretty easy for Chelsea. Four years since we beat any of the top four sides away from home.There is a massive problem floating in the mist. We have been able to mask the chaotic and the tactical cluelessness under the umbrella of financial constraints. Not any more we have a shedload of cash and we still look miles off he pace. Incidentally for all those who trumpet the Arsenal way, Wenger's push on Maureen was a schoolboy response, lacking in class, the sign of a desperate man. Looking forward to reading the disciples but no doubt we will have 2 days of cowardly silence before they put their head above the parapet to justify the latest defeat and then it will be a load of tripe about disloyalty and moaning. I have posted before that we needed to wait until now to judge where we are and the unequivocal answer is that we are nowhere near being a top side.

  94. Angry & Frustrated

    Oct 05, 2014, 18:54 #58566

    Wow I never saw that coming! Who would have thought we would lose to Chelsea again? Umm let me think now - Anyone who knows anything about football! So that excludes all AKB’s then! It may not have been a similar type of defeat as last season’s total humiliation, but a defeat nonetheless it was yet again against a rival top 4 side away from home. This result on its own is no big deal or shameful even, as after all Chelsea are a quality side who will probably go on to win the PL, it’s just the repetitive nature of these types of results against top teams which sticks in the throat, as it’s crystal clear no progress is being made. No doubt Wenger will blame all and sundry including I noticed a sly dig at Chelsea’s financial clout, conveniently forgetting we have £100 million sitting in the bank doing nothing, when a DM might have made a big difference to the outcome yesterday, had he purchased one! Not re-signing Fabregas was another masterstroke by OGL wasn’t it, and observing him cover every blade of grass box to box was sickening to watch, let alone the assist for Costa to score the crucial second goal. At the same time though watching Fabregas play for Chelsea, it reminds you that apparently Arsene Knows! Don’t worry though, soon we will be back to being the usual flat track bullies against lesser sides and all will be forgotten once again by the AKB brainwashed disciples. That is until the next half decent side appears on the horizon away from home, and hey presto another defeat is almost guaranteed - repeat ad infinitum! At least Wenger did land something on Mourinho, which is more than can be said for his team, who managed to go the entire game without landing a single shot on target! For those who come on this site giving stats to somehow justify that Wenger has somehow still “Got it”, how about this one then - Wenger v Mourinho - Pld12 W0 D5 L7 F6 A21 Yeah that’s right the number of victories are - none, zilch, nil, zero, nought which equates to a win percentage of,,,,,,,, wait for it,,,,,,, the suspense is no doubt killing you,,,,,,,, 0%! In addition for every goal we have scored in those games, Chelsea scored 3.5! If you think that’s bad, how about our record against all the top 4 sides away from home combined during the last 5 seasons, (I know TJ has a similar stat on his post) including yesterdays game – Pld 16 W1 D1 L14 F15 A44 Pts4. Yes that’s a pathetic 4 points from a possible 48, which equates to a win percentage of 6.25%, or looking at it the other way round, a LOSS percentage of 87.5%!!!! Had Costa not missed the sitter at the end, then the goals against/for ratio would have been smack on 3-1 for whenever we scored one, although it’s practically their anyway. So next time we read a stat by a dedicated AKB supposedly showing us that Wenger remains a genius, please reflect on the ones above! Toast anyone?

  95. Hiccup

    Oct 05, 2014, 18:54 #58565

    The predictable knee jerk reactions in full flow again. Wenger seems to have stemmed the cyclical 6 goal thrashings, which in my book is progress. Reckon we've passed that baton on to QPR for this season.

  96. kilkenny cat

    Oct 05, 2014, 18:52 #58564

    This could have been any previous game when the 2 managers go head to head. If the chavs wanted to,they could have got more and although we battled hard,with one exception,they toyed with us and had gears to go up. They are miles ahead of us in all area,s and that includes the manager. The Ox should have started,and how Ozil wasn,t taken off,sums Wenger,s ineptitude up. We could still be playing now and still not have scored it was all so predictable and frustrating. 4th is all wenger wants and im not convinced thats on either.

  97. jjetplane

    Oct 05, 2014, 18:51 #58563

    So Sam is above is us as are the Spuds. Liverpool will gather steam but I don't see Southampton surrendering their place easily which makes you wonder where we will be at xmas. Right on the delusion tag Kevin as we did not have one shot on target and having sleep walked a hatrick midweek against invisible opposition Danny should have walked today for that challenge which is not the way to 'kiss the badge' rather like givng Fabregas **** from the terrace does no more than up the opponent's game. Arsenal carried a loser tag throughout today and I feel sorry for the Ox who will surely be someone wondering whether a more astute coach would have on every match. Back to Sam and his Song. A big performance from Song and a penny for his thoughts re Wenger and his lack of tactical awareness. Sorry to say even Maureen had the upper hand re the behaviour on the touchline. Excellent report Kev and worrying times for Ox, Sanchez, Carzola, JW, Chambers who are tearing around for a manager who has only an abstract of what he wants. No wonder Ozil drifts even more under such abstraction. Bloody Costa again - proper footballer and as you say Kev - awful when we have a big boss like Stan who so obscenely does not care two hoots for 'soccer.'

  98. Bobbybigb

    Oct 05, 2014, 18:48 #58562

    No passion no tactics no idea. My last year as a season ticket holder,should never had renewed this year but stupidly thought that Mr wenger would address our obvious shortcomings. Never happened,never will. I give up.

  99. TJ

    Oct 05, 2014, 18:46 #58561

    Firstly, as for the injuries, I hardly think it made a difference. Walcott wouldn't have tracked back, Chambers has deputised well enough for Debuchy, Arteta is not as good as Flamini and Ramsey hasn't found form yet this year. I didn't see that claim about resources but it's ridiculous. We're now outspending Chelsea in terms of wages and yet who of our squad would make the Chelsea starting XI? Maybe Sanchez but I can't think of any others. You CANNOT leave major holes in the team and get away with it. A Tiote/Wanyama type player would have tracked that Hazard run but Flamini/Cazorla had neither the pace or strength to interrupt it. Straight through the spine, as the usually invidious Joey Barton said. A manager who has got lucky the last few years with other teams being weak, Spurs in particular. Instead of stupidly opening up as we have for the last five years against big teams we tried to defend today but it was only a matter of degree- Chelsea won by 2 rather than 6. 21 away games against the top 5 in the past 5 seasons- W1, D3, L17. Tactically, the team play a lite version of Guardiola's Barca. Even the Invincibles era was a fairly straightforward counter attacking team with world class stars- the ones who really carried the club then. 1 shot on target after 90 mins today- I'm sorry but I've realised that Wenger has taken us as far as he can. Yes we need a DM and back up CB (why don't we have that by the way?), but the opposition is not well enough considered, the players aren't looking motivated under him anymore, the defensive side is too often neglected and he doesn't see obvious deficiencies in the squad. Some might think this is a knee jerk reaction but it is not so- just look at the away record against big teams! We can't win trophies if the big clubs are so superior to us- you usually have to play some to win them! The FA Cup win was not something that refuted this problem. As I said, we'll be lucky to make the top 4 this year, but all the fans of Wenger and the board won't realise what a liability he is until it's too late. I just hope that if we do fail to make the top four, it's not too late to get back in, though even qualifying won't solve any more problems...

  100. fozzys mate

    Oct 05, 2014, 18:43 #58560

    The saddest thing is that such a routine defeat is entirely predictable. This season could be very dull. 6 weeks in and the only competition we can win is the FA cup and who fancies our threadbare squad in that? Kos was poor but is under nil pressure for his place. Chambers is now also suspended. In Ozil we have someone exactly like our team, effective whilst bullying poor sides but entirely ineffective re decent ones. OGL sgould stop going on about resources as he has left 173 million unspent, the accounts do not lie. Snore..

  101. Danny

    Oct 05, 2014, 18:42 #58559

    Why would wenger want to be second best all the time against our rivals you would think that his early days would spur him on for us to be the best . Most people move on when it becomes clear that they can no longer maintain what they used to be able to achieve at the top of thier game , he must feel the same as us when this keeps on happening to be honest its getting a bit boring now its about time someone pulled us out of the premier league rut that we've been in for far too long

  102. WENGER MUST GO ASAP(MARCUS)

    Oct 05, 2014, 18:39 #58558

    Bravo what a great article. It could have been written today lol. Another loss away to a SO CALLED RIVAL LOL. You could not make this up. Wenger does not have a RIVAL with Mourinho its complete DOMINATION!!! The man is washed up and the sooner he goes the better for the club. This season top 4 is looking shaky that holy grail. Yet I bet the usual delusional brigade( what I call them now) will still defend their messiah. I ask you lot this one question. Will arsenal ever win the league under wenger again?? simple question. Don't dodge answer it. I hate Mourinho with a passion hes a arrogant fool and has no respect, but wenger got desperate and resulted into pushing him lool. The man is finished wake up. Hes not going to win the league. If you cant win the league with a 8 point lead than its never going to happen again under him. We need a change folks. Today quality hurt us again. Hazzard was fantastic, fabregas was unbelievably good again. That's now 7 assists. He turned him down folks for wilshere folks, not Ozil as fabregas is a cm not a number 10. Hes more of a QB. a player who I would have brought back in a heart beat, hes better than wilshere. Again wenger is just so deluded. He made up some nonsense that fabregas deal was done in January with Chelsea lool. Hes trying to cover hes back and he knows he made a terrible mistake letting him go to Chelsea. Ozil for again looks WEAK!!! The kids need to go to gym and get stronger. He looks weak. He looks like a little 16 year old. Even Oscar is not that weak. I'm sorry folks it was another loss away from home against a SO CALLED RIVAL. Its has been 4 seasons now since we won a match away from home against either Chelsea, man city or manure. I'm tired of it and I think this man has to go. WAKE UP!!! We wont be winning the pl or champions league under this man. Look im not here to have arguments with delusional wenger fanboys. Just like this article which destroys every deluded bunches argument. Lets have a factual argument not a pathetic school ground spat. Let me lay down a fact 12-0 against Mourinho!!! That is a fact its not making stuff up its a fact. Moyes took four points of us against us last season, yes moyes loool. Keep defending that. Now wenger is talking about financial power lol as the reason why we lost. I THOUGHT WE HAD THE MONEY NOW???? So is it all bunch of nonsense?? FANS WAKE UP!!! Why is Usmanov not allowed on the board why!!! Its just getting disgusting and im tired of it. Chelsea fans singing wenger please stay. Its just disgusting. Feel so low. Yet folks will keep defending this every time

  103. Peter Wain

    Oct 05, 2014, 18:34 #58557

    yet again we lose and yet again our manager learns nothing. quite why we have so many midgets in miodfield is a mystery as is why ozil is allows to play so badly and remain on. The tacticas of chelski to intiate a foul as soon as we attacked are poor and in europe will not be allowed. again wiltshire was subject too many late tackles and whilst chambers was booked for his first foul chelski's players were allowed three or four fouls before even a warning. that said we did not work their goalkeeper and Ozil was so so bad it is impoosible to believe we chose him over fabregas.once a gain we cannot win anything this season ans the squad looks so threadbare 4 place may be impossible this year.

  104. lawrence

    Oct 05, 2014, 18:29 #58556

    3 substitutions leaving the worst arsenal player on the field yet again,has Wenger got dark glasses ozil has been bad for months.The manager can't protect him forever for under-performing.

  105. DJ

    Oct 05, 2014, 18:21 #58555

    Should have played the Ox ahead of Ozil after the performance on Wednesday. Two Pacy hard working wide men (Ox and Sanchez) at least gives the team balance and options not the eye of a needle central stuff that never works against the top teams. not signing Cesc sound financial sense but watching him play for Chelsea still hurts!