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I was a member, now I am a number

Terry Neill – The good old days?


‘There used to be a football club over there.’ How right was Keith Burkenshaw, the ex- Tottenham manager when he resigned from Spurs having led the club to UEFA Cup glory. I remember with great nostalgia going to see matches in the early 1970 on the tube and having to pay less than £2 to stand on the glorious North Bank. I also remember when we waited outside until half-time and we were able to see the second half free. I remember seeing players using public transport to go and train at Highbury. I remember some of them joining us at different pubs when the weekly salary was £250 week.

Then when Terry Neill wrote his book ‘Revelations of a Football Manager’ he described the impact of David Dein becoming the most powerful man at Arsenal when he bought the majority of the Peter Hill-Wood’s shares at less than £10 each in 1982/83. It was the start of a change at Arsenal into commercialisation and mega money. Like cancer it was spread slowly but progressively and match ticket prices were rising more than the rise of the average Joe Bloggs supporter’s income. Slowly Gooners (most without realizing) began to be replaced by new glory hunter affluent supporters.

When Arsene arrived in 1996, commercialisation was still in its infancy but shares were changing hands at £400 each. Then after some great success, we were sold the mirage and false dream of a new ‘home’ where Arsenal can only get better and titles and cup glories will continue - and we Gooners were ‘fooled’ by such an idea. In my book the only people who benefited from the move from our spiritual home of ‘Highbury’, are the directors who sold their shares to the silent American or to the Russian.

The final insult to injury was when in 2009, I decided not to renew my very expensive season ticket to look after my ailing mother (I asked for a one year reprieve) and one of the box office staff rang me to say ‘Mr. Matloub, you have until 4pm to make a decision’ reminding me that there were more than 30,000 on the waiting list..

I realised that Arsenal FC has changed and it was not the same football club that I used to love and support and only the name remains the same. I saw and know many fans who simply could not afford paying for the most expensive season tickets. And that’s apart from rising transport costs (if like me you live in Cardiff) and food and drink, not mention taking one’s kids so they’ll can be the future Gooners.

I realise and acknowledge that other Premier League clubs followed and copied Arsenal’s methods and real hardcore fans suffered at the hand of the new prawn sandwich brigade. This why I am thinking of supporting a community based club like Portsmouth whose fans control the club’s affair or a similar one like Newport County where fans still have a say in the club, something that will never happen at the club that once I loved and adored.


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  1. Rocky RIP

    Nov 03, 2014, 20:22 #60532

    I've enjoyed the posts on this thread. I loved Highbury and the atmosphere in the days of terracing. It was such a buzz. But as Badarse says it was hairy going to football back then. Nobody seemed to care about football fans and their well-being. So although the sanitised modern 'match day experience' feels empty to me and I leave games frustrated at the lack of atmosphere and the clueless attitude of fans around me, some things have improved beyond all recognition. I always liked Highbury because it felt comparatively safe, largely due to having no fences and escaping onto the pitch was always an option if people like the ICF decided to invite themselves onto the North Bank and let off smoke bombs in may 1982. A lot of games were spent bricking it about who might launch an attack. So there's plenty to be glad to see the back of.(The last time away fans had a serious go with any success. All the others afterwards came to grief and learned not to try.)I'm amazed my parents let me go to football as a kid in hindsight. I do miss the sense of ownership and belonging that this article alludes to, without feeling like I'm purely there to line an American's pockets. I too recall Rip Roar injuring himself and getting grief. He'd kind of attracted a name for himself but then it started to backfire ('Rip roar is a rent boy was one chant'.) And also the Mclair missed penalty. What a moment. You'd struggle to see today's crowd go that bananas for an Arsenal goal, let alone a penalty miss for our opponents. You came home with your ears ringing like after a concert and with a buzz until the next morning. As Badarse says though, it's a trade off.

  2. Bard

    Nov 02, 2014, 9:17 #60423

    Welcome back Baddie. I hope the dummies and toys have been fixed.It's been carnage on here. After you took your leave, GBH alias bring it on, retired hurt with a tummy upset and dear old Jamie threw in the towel, I suspect feeling that the Indians were getting too close. We had Westie surrounded but the odds were so good on survival that he stuck with it and low and behold a victory brings the wibbly wobbly AKBs back. We always knew that it was skrimish rather than a defining moment. We welcomed Ron back, his keyboard sharpened to the killer setting and to date he has delivered. I think normal service is now resumed.

  3. BADARSE

    Nov 02, 2014, 8:14 #60421

    Well said preston. I may have nearly lost my son as a ten years old, leaving the old Wembley. Night international, big crowd, poor lighting, channelled into an avenue which had a break in the corrugated fence. We had to make a left turn, a right angled one. The swell of the crowd pushed those turning to go through, against the cutting edge of the raw and unprotected edge of the fence. It was another of those touch and go situations, where generally you escape by the skin of your teeth, a bit battered and bruised, but able to laugh it off. There is always another part of me that remains angry at the displayed and accepted ineptitude. Our national stadium, and a pile of rubbish, badly organised officials, with weak governing laws to guide. That is one major improvement coming out of our involvement with the European Union. Will always miss Highbury, as much or more than anyone, but so, so pleased we have the new safer and better stadium. Sadly as are most things in life, it's a trade-off. You always have to sacrifice some things. It's a sign of maturity to be able to recognise that, and accept it for what it is. Good old Arsenal, good old Highbury, good old Grove.

  4. preston

    Nov 01, 2014, 22:19 #60420

    We all have some time in our lives to watch our team. Some get longer than others but we have no divine right to access tickets. As a kid in 70s80 S when football was dangerous it was much more exciting. Todays sanitised product is no longer for me but its my choice so lets not be bitter over change.

  5. jjetplane

    Nov 01, 2014, 21:55 #60419

    Exceptional stuff MIKE COLLiNS perfectly put post.

  6. Mike Collins

    Nov 01, 2014, 21:21 #60418

    The doyen of peanut sellers was called John, lived in Tottenham, and was a warm-up singer for all the big showbiz acts in the 60s/70s. He graduated to selling the Arsenal fanzine 1-0 Down, 2-1 Up, with which I had a connection, and then sold all the alternative publications, including The Gooner. If you're still out there, John, good luck, mate. Sadly, John and his north London working class ilk aren't welcomed in areas like Highbury & Islington any more as the wealthy farmers'/provincial clergymen's/Scottish politicos' offspring have now completed their takeover until they go home and their next generation arrives here. Foie gras and a glass of burgundy, anyone?

  7. Unchives

    Nov 01, 2014, 20:37 #60417

    After a very eventful and thoroughly enjoyable Halloween Party, im glad there was no Arsenal Horror show tonight, up to fourth, great weekend, Come on the gooners!

  8. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 01, 2014, 18:00 #60416

    Na thanks BADARSE i'll not chance it I had a bad experience with the last one you sent.

  9. BADARSE

    Nov 01, 2014, 17:09 #60415

    Oh it is hard on routers maguiresbridge, but particularly on carrier pigeons. With the work they do, especially trying to ruffle the feathers of other strange birds, they finish up well plucked, damned little dinosaurs. Would you like one for the BBQ?

  10. maguiresbridge gooners

    Nov 01, 2014, 16:58 #60414

    There you are then not far wrong, those must have been mighty storms at AKB central command with the electricity only coming back on now, it must be a hard place on routers.

  11. BADARSE

    Nov 01, 2014, 13:24 #60413

    Good luck in the Vase today jj-have a good game!

  12. jjetplane

    Nov 01, 2014, 13:17 #60412

    Just off for some FA Vase and whoa! Baddie nice one blokie Who will score more Arsenal or Chelski? Baddie and Ron. Let battle commence!

  13. BADARSE

    Nov 01, 2014, 13:10 #60411

    Hope everything is rosy in your garden maguiresbridge, the OnlineGooner motley crew will be descending on you in a few hours for the BBQ, and please get those chickens out of the kitchen!

  14. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 01, 2014, 13:00 #60410

    R/K, yes indeed some great memories and pieces of nostalgia, no doubt some great stories in there. To all concerned, how about an article or two telling us some more? No doubt they would go down well with everyone, but wait until after the weekend until we finish celebrating our regulation win with great football and plenty of goals from our fast track bullies against the mighty Burnley, where we'll have everybody back on here crowing and papering over the cracks (yet again)thinking and believing everything's rosy in the garden again, if their not already.

  15. BADARSE

    Nov 01, 2014, 12:09 #60409

    Out of the fog he came, limping to the tune of, 'My Old Man's a Dustman', blowing raspberries at no one in particular-perhaps just for practise. A glint in his eye, a plum in his mouth, a banana in his trouser pocket, and a swagger in his gait. Me, not you Ron, and it's good to hear from you again-you offer me such material to work with, ha ha. radfordkennedy Dry Stone Walling? or if that fails, close up our walls with our English dead, as Jacques Pierre might have said. Loved your account 24601, bowled me over. So too, many other accounts, it's what being Arsenal is, family, even the rogues like jjetplane and jeff wright...MARCUS? Yeah, even MARCUS, though let's get one thing straight, he is from your side of the family. One magical memory is Boxing Day in my spot, to the left of the goal, 2/5ths of the way back on the North Bank, versus Southampton. Snow-covered pitch,(too late to turn on under soil heating), so against a white pitch, and wearing red shorts, (complimented our strip really well), taking slugs of scotch from a hip flask I watched an uneventful 0-0 draw. Frank had Ron Davies in his pocket all match, and only gave away around four inches in height to the big lad. JAMIE, GBP, you can come out from under the table now,Virtual Halloween BBQ tonight lads!

  16. radfordkennedy

    Nov 01, 2014, 8:24 #60408

    some great posts fellas,great memories,when at home I was a Clockender about level with the top of the stairs halfway between corner flag and goal,perfectly positioned for sgt Alex Morgan's rendition of Al Martino's Spanish Eyes.I do however remember a time on the North Bank with my brothers for a game against West Ham in I think the 1/4 finals of the FAC in 75',it absolutely chucked it down all day,and I remember Mancini back passing the ball into a puddle for their striker a weasley little runt whose name escapes me to smash into the goal past Rimmer,but above all I remember that day for the running battles on the terraces,some heavy weight stuff as well people were seriously tooled up.....as an aside id like to wish Cirencester Town good luck today in the FA Trophy away to Merthyr Town,i shall be in Stow this afternoon learning how to do Dry Stone Walling and with any luck pop in the clubhouse for a pint after a glorious victory,good luck fellas!!

  17. Jimmy

    Oct 31, 2014, 22:49 #60407

    Give us an A-R-S-E-N-A-L that was me.

  18. Alsace

    Oct 31, 2014, 19:05 #60406

    Dear Mr Exley, 98% after a certain amount of money earned. At the moment the Government get 50% of the wages paid to the players, so that's why my idea won't fly as stated, but you could achieve the social effect we want by taxing a particular trade aggressively. Club TV earnings and player wages create a loveless miserable anodine obscenity and I want it to die in that form. By the way, the Peanut seller pronounced Roasted with a W. "Woasted".

  19. Roy

    Oct 31, 2014, 17:27 #60405

    Some great North Bank memories recounted here. My favourite ? Without doubt Brian McClairs penalty miss which I just managed to get fingertips to as it passed overhead.....oh how we celebrated ! Brilliant. As Smashie n Nicey put it - "Great times....great days.....great guys......!! "

  20. Staplehurst Gooner

    Oct 31, 2014, 17:26 #60404

    Bard is spot on in all he says. Peanuts, 30 pence a bag!'

  21. Gaz

    Oct 31, 2014, 16:32 #60403

    @Tony Evans: I always seem to remember it was a pretty simple 'rule of thumb' in those days. If there was more than the one small camera there it meant our game was one of the featured games and we could look forward to extended highlights if we won!...

  22. Bard

    Oct 31, 2014, 16:16 #60402

    Enjoyed the post but you lost me when you started on about supporting another club. You can't mate, it's a blood thing, once a gooner always a gooner. That's the way it is. I was always a clockender. Part of the joy was it was the only football I saw apart from my local club. There was no sky and you only had the cup final and the home internationals to watch on TV .It made the experience that much more special. Arsenal is a brand as are most of the other top clubs. There is no going back so you have to lump it or leave.

  23. Tony Evans

    Oct 31, 2014, 15:33 #60401

    I always used to look up to where the TV cameras were, hoping to see Brian Moore's bald pate glinting in the sun. Always used to prefer the Big Match as it was on Sunday afternoon, as opposed to Saturday night when you were more than likely still down the pub. It made for a perfect weekend for me if Arsenal won and we were going to be on the tele next day!

  24. Joolz The Gooner

    Oct 31, 2014, 15:13 #60400

    Article bang on the money and a great post by Westlower too. One day, in the distant future, it will all implode and the lardy da's will all do one and that's when we'll become a football club again and not this money making monstrosity. Obviously we will still be at that sterile sporting arena but at least there will be an atmosphere. Up The Arsenal

  25. 600NER PETE

    Oct 31, 2014, 15:01 #60399

    My "spot" was in the corner of the Northbank, halfway up, about level with the front of the West Stand. You had a great view of the Northbank and the goal that end and an ok view of the other goal. The songs were much more varied then. One week the Nortbank sung "We hate Softly softly, we hate Z cars too, we hate Dixon of Dock Green but The Sweeney we love you!" Followed by "Jack Regan, Jack Regan......." Happy days!

  26. Robert Exley

    Oct 31, 2014, 13:59 #60398

    'Tax them at 98% over a reasonable wage/income and watch us get our football back. It won't be as good, but it will be more fun. I'm going to suggest it to George Osborne' - asking Gideon Osbourne to tax rich people at over 98%....yeah good luck that.

  27. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 31, 2014, 12:37 #60397

    Alsace, post of the day, so many names so little time.

  28. Warren Swaine

    Oct 31, 2014, 12:36 #60396

    The season ticket episode quoted is from 5 years ago. I too temporarily needed a year off after 23 years of being a season ticket holder and the box office manager agreed to my request. As for supporting Pompey... you may be better off supporting Gosport Borough ;)

  29. Tony Evans

    Oct 31, 2014, 12:14 #60395

    Gaz - me too mate. I think Ron has the right idea in going to a few away games each season.

  30. Exeter Gunner

    Oct 31, 2014, 12:02 #60394

    CGO, I remember the 'rip roaring reds' bloke. Always seemed to be standing near him, behind the goal a few rows back. I remember one time he jumped up, landed badly and bust his ankle. Had to be helped along the touchline by St John's ambulance as the North Bank laughed. What a cruel bunch.

  31. jjetplane

    Oct 31, 2014, 11:50 #60393

    'ooh it's a corner', 'and do they smell/like ****ing hell/over there/over there' and of course 'zigga zagga zigga zagga oi oi oi!' Wonder how many dead men boots kicked the back of that poor old north bank. Have abiding memory of manky fans turning over a hot dog stall on the west side. Was just calling for a mate in the flats and we thought 'let's wait till those dirty ****ers move on ..' Yeah I can still hear that peanut man WESTIE - must be going mad. It was ToNY EVANs who said you cannot wipe the slate clean if you are up on 30+ years support for one club. FA Vase on Saturday against Erith. Just like the old days.

  32. Gaz

    Oct 31, 2014, 11:20 #60391

    @Tony Evans: Your post no 63691 catches the mood perfectly back then. I was right behind the building of the new stadium yet now it's happened I long for Highbury with every passing day. North bank, right hand corner, half way up. Thats where we stood. Ventured into the centre some times but was always drawn back to 'my' spot...

  33. Charlie George Orwell

    Oct 31, 2014, 10:49 #60390

    before I was a Clock Ender regular and season ticket holder, I occasionally went to the North Bank. Does anyone remember the guy who used to shout 'Come on, you rip-roaring reds!' Always made me smile.

  34. Exeter Gunner

    Oct 31, 2014, 10:34 #60389

    I stood on the North Bank in those last years before it was made all seater. Was £1 at first to get in as a Junior Gunner. I was a kid but never felt under any threat - maybe the peak of all that was a few years before. A personal memory that sticks out is GG's first match, Charlie Nicholas scored the winner against Man U with 10 minutes to go. "Charlie, Charlie" we all sang, hopeful he'd finally come good under GG. Would love the football bubble to burst, prices to plummet, Sky to f off, the billionaire owners to f off, safe standing to return - but even then it wouldn't be like it was. People have changed - you'd still have loads of them spending the match on their phones.

  35. A Cornish Gooner

    Oct 31, 2014, 10:33 #60388

    Westie. Peanuts. Peanuts. All roasted. Tanner a bag.

  36. Tony Evans

    Oct 31, 2014, 9:51 #60386

    Ron - My mate and I would always stand about half way back to the left of the goal on the North Bank. That was usually the furthest away from any potential trouble (usually Westham), but still with a reasonable view. Great days and out of all the goals one I still recall vividly is Talbot's free kick against Liverpool for a 1-0 win, late 70s or early 80s, can't remember exactly now. Don't know why that one sticks out so much but I well remember the crowd going berserk when it went in.

  37. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Oct 31, 2014, 9:26 #60385

    Red Member @9.02 - I don't know what "Golden Age" you refer to (I'm guessing from 97-04), but I was going regularly from 1986-1991 and it was very easy to get a ticket - also very easy just to turn up on the day. I saw 35 games H&A in the 1988-89 season. The football then, in all honesty, wasn't any better than it is now either. English clubs were banned from Europe and everyone played a rigid 4-4-2 pushing up to the halfway line, with long balls a-plenty. BUT........the whole thing just seemed much more fun then. It was our game, not a marketing man's plaything.

  38. Westlower

    Oct 31, 2014, 9:19 #60384

    @Andy 1886, Glad you mentioned the peanut man because he was as much a part of the match day experience as the band marching on the pitch. Once you heard the cry of "peanuts, peanuts" the adrenalin started to flow as you were back at Highbury. Other memories include half time scores put up in the corner flag area, each game under a different letter. A brick wall to piss up was the male toilets & my other half was always complaining about the state of the Ladies loos. In the programme for the last game of the season there was always a questionnaire about what future improvements the club could make, we always prioritised better toilets. Songs being practiced in the pubs, the Plimsoll for me, the lady shouting in a high pitched voice 'up the arse only 50p' with foreign visitors smiling in disbelief that it was only 50p for the offer of anal sex. In the early 60's the North Bank used to be shared by both the home & away support but it gradually turned into a battleground when the Gooners reclaimed their territory an hour before kick off. Buying the paper on leaving the ground to read the first half match report & photo's of the action. Getting there mid morning as a starry eyed teenager waiting outside for the gates to open. Luke warm steak & kidney pie for lunch washed down with a beer of two. The Great British Bake Off was still some way off in the next century. Discomfort through the whole 90 minutes, no play backs to watch, you trusted what your own eyes had witnessed & no one knew better than you what had gone on at the game. Can't believe these journalist's were at the same game was my usual take on reading the following days papers. I always reckoned they played cards instead of watching the game. Like the most I started my Highbury career in the North Bank, before moving to the Clock End, never took to the East Stand & finished up alongside the away support in the West lower as that was where the best atmosphere was. If it was good enough for Bin Laden? For all the memories It'll be good to at the Emirates again tomorrow, because I'm still alive and able to do it. God bless all who sail in the good ship HMS Arsenal!

  39. Red Member

    Oct 31, 2014, 9:02 #60383

    the sad thing about the comments here is that there is an obvious detachment for many of us now towards Arsenal.The one thing I miss about the old days is being able to turn up on the day and buy a ticket. However I will say this - during the golden age of winning trophies at Highbury I found it very difficult to get a ticket. These days with the increased capacity I actually find it much easier to attend games. It is just a shame the actual football is now so poor!

  40. Sparksy

    Oct 31, 2014, 8:29 #60382

    I understand your frustration, especially the lack of understanding when wanting to take a year out. Yes we are all a number, that is how it is in the new corporate world and I don't like it either but to change your club is a joke surely. Once you start supporting your team, it's for life. However, i have to confess to supporting another team, one that I used to watch even before I started going over the arsenal - Enfield, now a supporter owned club that has evolved into Enfield Town.

  41. Alsace

    Oct 31, 2014, 0:02 #60381

    Tax the players and the clubs and the television companies. Tax them at 98% over a reasonable wage/income and watch us get our football back. It won't be as good, but it will be more fun. I'm going to suggest it to George Osborne. The mercenaries will leave, including the Moron. We can then go back to peace with those of the undead who don't head off to Spain or wherever their "host" moves to.

  42. Cyril

    Oct 31, 2014, 0:01 #60380

    Yasir, I agree with you. I am a season ticket holder going for 31 years or so and I am 44. I feel betrayal. I reached my apogee at a live football match when we beat Liverpool 3 1 in 84 season. Was not at anfield in 89. In a way I feel flattered that so many people get working class footy but it is for them now. I will always love arsenal but the candle has blown out. I hope that the decision makers can uphold respect to my club. I am here in number but not in spirit and that is why this is a great article. Well done!

  43. jjetplane

    Oct 30, 2014, 23:41 #60379

    HICCUp you and your bleeding irony (West Ham innit!") will get us shot. Only had one game in the Clock End - Sheffield Utd in the cup. Very lively. Must say thinking of atmospheres I found myself at the Milan derby once where Vespas were getting launched into the crowd. Nearest footer gets to opera though when it was great at Highbury it was nearer the Proms on the last night.

  44. Ron

    Oct 30, 2014, 22:51 #60378

    Hiccup - yes mate. It describes as awful when you put it like that. No fences in the late 60s though and the atmosphere on big match days really started to buzz by half 1 ish. The mancs would always arrive early and the chants 'we took the North Bank' we reach a cresendo by 1.45 ish and then youd hear it going off outside of the NB, then the rush in as the mancs were driven out. The Police, hundreds of them (no stewards then) kicking a few out but most took down the pitch to the Clock end which was all away end then. As a 14/15 year old on the first few visits to Arsenal in the North Bank, the signing was deafening and quite intimidating even though it was our own fans.A goal at the NB mate and the swaying and crowd surge. It was chaos, wonderful though. Todays crowds for us who did it back then are just useless really. The grounds were the working class's release after a weeks grafting, the other teams fans were an 'enemy' visiting our patch, not welcome, hated. Tribal mate it was. Dangerous too at times yes, for sure but not often. Much of the 'hooliganism' is a myth. Those who didnt want to ruck could avoid it easily.It was harder away from home, especially when Charlie George would score and two finger the home fans 'end'as they would always bait Charlie until he scored. It was a battle then to get to the railway stations and safety often escorted or chased by police and dogs. Thanks Charlie! The Police loved the rucks despite what they say now.

  45. andy1886

    Oct 30, 2014, 22:35 #60377

    Hiccup, there were no fences at Highbury, so not sure where you were referring to! I'm pretty short, at 13/14 I was barely 5ft yet I stood happily on the North Bank in the late seventies and early eighties. Bar the odd scuffle there really wasn't much to worry about, even when we were crap we all sang and had a good time win lose or draw. Never mind £2, I remember paying something like 40 or 50 pence to get in at first, and with Ken's 'fares fair' scheme it was 20p for a day ticket on the underground - great value all round! Tony, the baton certainly was dropped - I can remember a couple of times - we were easily amused back then. Sadly the majority of the working class fans were priced out years ago, gone with the peanut guy and the cup final tokens in the programme.

  46. Hiccup

    Oct 30, 2014, 21:07 #60376

    I don't think the prawn sandwich fan would relish the idea of getting to a game 2 hours before kick off to stand on a terrace. Penned in behind metal fences like animals. Squashed and swaying like sardines in a can during the game, and then squashed up against a crush barrier after a goal, feeling your lungs crack. Soaked wet through on the open end clock end if it rained. And that was classed as a good crack? A day in prison sounds more welcoming!

  47. jjetplane

    Oct 30, 2014, 20:20 #60375

    UNCHIVES used to be an escape to go to the match like it was going to the flicks. Saw quite a few events football related but saw much worse locally on the streets and in the pubs. If you born in it it seemed as normal as having a fry up. Used to love that buzz on the bank when the Mancs or Hammers were around and funny but never got that buzz in those days with the Spuds home or away. We all thought they were a bit wimpy. Times have changed. Went to Chelski a few times too as a little skinhead though knew a few of them through schoolmates. You could say fighting was a way of life for a lot of kids and things have not really changed for them depending on the side of the road you happen to hail from. Big difference is that the kids now will see little of Arsenal in the flesh. At times we would gather up stuff for the rag and bone in order to go in the schoolboys in the 60s. Great times too. Planet earth. You must be pass the 100 mark if you can refer to others as son .....

  48. Jimmy

    Oct 30, 2014, 20:20 #60374

    Every generation thinks their Arsenal were the best.

  49. Robert Exley

    Oct 30, 2014, 20:20 #60373

    600ner Pete - I think the only thing comparable to the North Bank today is the Twelve pins on a matchday. Which is kinda sad when you think about it

  50. Carlos

    Oct 30, 2014, 20:12 #60372

    It's not personal Yasir, it's strictly business.

  51. Ron

    Oct 30, 2014, 19:58 #60371

    Tony - ive said many times before on here as you know, even when i did need a ticket, the touts i got to know for years always sorted one at a decent price for me. Bit over the face of course but always OK. Used one guy for years. Black greasy haired chap and always about 30 yards to the left as emerging from the Arsenal tube. Ever reliable. Great days. Used to hate it though if ending up in the East lower. Never happened much. North Bank for me. Half way back. 10 yards to the right of the goal as you looked from the pitch. Darts? I never seen any in 30 odd years. Few fists though granted. Mancs and West Ham the worst by far.

  52. Big Andy

    Oct 30, 2014, 19:40 #60370

    Excellent article. I agree with every word. I'm an Arsenal fan since 1978 but I finally stopped going 3 years ago. The ridiculous prices combined with the pathetic lack of ambition from the club has left me despondent. I don't even get too excited anymore when we play: every season now seems to end in mediocrity. I never ever thought that I would feel so apethetic about Arsenal - but I do. I can rember being a season ticket holder in the early Eighties, when we were rubbish under Neil and Howe, and yet still being excited by my every trip to the old stadium, and away games. Now I just follow the games on TV without too much concern.

  53. Unchives

    Oct 30, 2014, 18:49 #60369

    @jjetplane - believe me my son I was there, indeed one poor guy was passed over our heads to the front for the first aid people to deal with him, he had cuts to his face and throat. The Spurs games were the worst. You've lived a charmed life my son. As for the papers, I stopped buying the papers over 10 years ago!

  54. 600NER PETE

    Oct 30, 2014, 18:04 #60368

    You can't really explain to someone who hasn't had the chance of standing on the Northbank how good it was. Yes the team was awful at times but they were OUR team. You would slag them off and say "Right, that's the last time I'm going!" but still turn up again for the next home match. Part of being an Arsenal fan (and other teams too I suppose) was finding fault and who we need to buy to improve and who we needed to get rid of. As an Arsenal fan you were allowed to criticise the team to other gooners but other team's fans would get told where to go if they tried to tell you anything negative about the team. We are the Arsenal and we are the best. I'm sad that my son was born too late to experience a match on the Nortbank. It is not about seeing things through rose tinted glasses. The matchday experience was just better then.

  55. Robert Exley

    Oct 30, 2014, 16:08 #60367

    'we would still have to compete with other European clubs. To become a financial giant, you need to become a commercial beast' - er...we charge the highest admission prices in Europe and are, kind of, not competing with Real Madrid, Barcelona or Bayern Munich, are we?

  56. Tony Evans

    Oct 30, 2014, 15:15 #60366

    Staplehurst - you make a good point about being able to go to a match on a whim back then - even the big games and including cup matches. It was great to sometimes just decide on the day to travel up and see the match. You didn't need to be a season ticket holder unless you wanted a seat which we never did anyway. Compare that to these days with the different membership levels (and money) required before you can even start thinking about a ticket. Even if you do get lucky there is still the possibility that the game in question might be moved anyway because of TV.

  57. Gunner6

    Oct 30, 2014, 15:01 #60365

    @ Robert Exley, it doesn't matter whether Arsenal reacted or led the charge. Even if EPL didn't expand, the world outside UK would. Even if Arsenal didn't need to compete with Oligarchs coming to the UK, we would still have to compete with other European clubs. To become a financial giant, you need to become a commercial beast. That is no two ways about it. We should be glad we got the stadium built, within a reasonable budget and keeping our top 4 status. Ridicule the new white stadium and top 4 position all you want. Things can change overnight. Ask Man U. All those years laughing at us for winning the 4th place trophy, they are now at risk of missing CL for the second year in a row, and the disincentive that comes with it (advertising and Glazier walking away). They had their trophies under Alex, but all those are memories now. I am no Wenger supporter, I support the team and whoever that puts on the jersey and run the team. I believe Arsenal are being run responsibly although there are things can be improved. I am not within the corridors of power so have to rely on those who are to manage the team. So far, I see no reason to turn against them.

  58. garry

    Oct 30, 2014, 14:33 #60364

    totally agree . sad but true. i still have my season ticket but my love for the club is slowly diminishing.

  59. Staplehurst Gooner

    Oct 30, 2014, 14:18 #60363

    Unchives makes a good point about rose tinted glasses, but as ever there are factions within our support that want to bitch at each other. The usual Wenger Out/I love Arsene arguments crop up at the merest opportunity and in my view it's about more than that. I used to stand on the North Bank too and yes, it wasn't always safe; no, the facilities weren't good and you could never guarantee seeing the whole game from the same position as pointed out. Incidentally I kept my ticket for the last game against Southampton and it was £6 but arguably that wasn't value for money even then. Nonetheless the prices being charged at The Grove are way over the top and the corporate sheen put on everything isn't always appealing. What I miss most about 'the old days' is being able to go to games on a whim. I'd arrive when the gates opened and spend the best part of two hours sitting on the terraces watching the ground fill. Back then you could be a supporter because it was always possible to get to games: your effort was always rewarded. Away games didn't always require a ticket or membership and the same applied there: arrive early enough and you're in, those were the only criteria. Something got lost in the transition from Highbury to The Grove and it differs from person to person in what individuals actually miss. I resent being just a number, but I'm realistic enough to know that if gets too much I have the option of leaving it all behind and going to non-League as I've been doing recently. Luckily enough for those of us of a certain age, we had another Arsenal and whether it's rose tinted or not I feel sorry for those that have seen nothing but the commercialised club. In all, some things were better, some weren't. One thing is for sure, with the exception of the mooted Bond Scheme you never felt disenfranchised at Highbury.

  60. jjetplane

    Oct 30, 2014, 14:09 #60362

    UNCHIVES never was a problem on the north bank with regards watching a match. Thought it was lovely compared to the squeeze in the east lower once the north bank had gone. Sounds like you read too many papers if you thought darts were flying around at every home match. Certainly was somewhat lively when say the Mancs, Chelsea or west Ham visited. Well remember when Birmingham owned the north bank once which was quite impressive - I was in the Schoolboys. But the drama you speak of never really happened and now I would imagine it to be more like 'Friday night lights' without the bonus of cheap hot dogs and pizza races. I know the experience at first hand but the idea of dealing with it down Holloway is sadly laughable. Tourists ..... Could not make that up!

  61. Tony Evans

    Oct 30, 2014, 13:53 #60361

    Things certainly aren't what they used to be are they Yasir. I think all of us older supporters have a yearning to turn the clock back to what we consider to be the good old days. The dodgy meat pies, roasted peanuts, the old bar under the North Bank, constable Alex Morgan singing Delilah, the band leader throwing his baton up in the air and never dropping it (at least not when I was there) and just plain old standing on the terraces. I know it was far from perfect but there was a great vibe to be had and the match day terrace humour was something else. The new football world (and it's not just Arsenal) is all together more sanitised and of course ridiculously expensive, hence many of us old boys don't go anymore (me included) but that doesn't mean we are any less of a supporter.You can't just airbrush 40 or 50 years of your life away no matter what we think about Wenger and the Emirates.

  62. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 30, 2014, 13:47 #60360

    Unknown, of course it is (and we don't need told it)unless it's being ripped out, and of course we'd still support our club and stand behind it if we were relegated to the conference, but the big problem is there are fans who would still support and stand behind the person responsible for it.

  63. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 30, 2014, 13:25 #60359

    There used to be a football club over there, how we laughed at the time and no doubt still do whenever it's brought up, how times have changed, as it refers to us now.

  64. Robert Exley

    Oct 30, 2014, 13:20 #60358

    @ Gunner 6 and Jimmy - I'm afraid you've both got a lot to learn on this matter. Arsenal are not merely reacting to the commercialisation of Football, back in the early 80s they were practically leading the charge. More specifically David Dein and other like minded chairmen such as Tottenham's Irving Scholar and Man Utd's Martin Edwards. I, for the record, still do regularly attend because luckily it doesn't hurt my pockets too much, but I know of dozens of people who have been priced out by Football over the last 20-30 years. Few people can afford to take their offspring, which has the negative effect in breeding a generation who merely watch Football on the TV - or, even worse for Football, watching an internet stream, which recoups no revenue for Football and can even eventually have the same effect on Football as Napster and Limewire has for Pop music i.e. an overcharged consumer not bothering to pay at all. I'd like to congratulate the author on a good article, which I will happily share via Twitter.

  65. jeff wright

    Oct 30, 2014, 13:19 #60357

    David Dein was instrumental in forming the Premier League in place of the old first division , the name should give give a clue as to its intentions, money. Murdoch SKY tv cash was the main lure for forming the new league from the old First Division. Then we had the restructuring of the old European Cup for financial reasons . Previously only sides that had actually won their league could play in it,this was altered to allow teams that would previously have played in the lesser prestigious UEFA Cup to take part ,thus dumbing down the previous Champions Cup into a so called Champions League ,albeit it is no sort of league at all and was gerrymandered to allow the top clubs to avoid going out in the group stage. Wenger has profited from this situation and skillfully exploited the seeding system and the qualfying tie to enhance his claims of always playing in the European Cup /Champions League . Albeit never actually winning it. A further change next season in the seeding system will make this a little tougher for some ,not least for us. Providing of course that we are still in the midweek Euro bore fest .It was inevitable that with big money floating about in the game that the old Butchers and Bakers and Merchant Bankers that had owned our clubs since Victorian times would be superseded by more wealthier entrepreneurial types. One of the first out of the traps was dodgy Rupert himself ,he tried to buy United ,but the government and monopolies commission put the block on that, due to his controlling interest in Sky TV that was largely financing the new Premier League . Others though have popped up to buy historic English football clubs , virtually all of them are foreigners that have no connection with the clubs that they invest their money in , or in some cases , such as Kroenke and the Glazers , with money that they have borrowed,these types always take money out of the clubs for themselves. It's not all sweetness and light though with the sugar daddies Rom at Chelsea set up an holding company years ago that holds the rights to the money that he loaned to CFC - and these debts could be called in at any time. As things stand at the moment no doubt a new owner, or owners , could be found ,as was the case when Rom bought the club and the Bates Motel from old sent Chelsea bankrupt Cap'n Birdseye . It could be worse though because Rom was originally going to buy the spuds ! One thing however is for sure, the clock can't be turned back now even if the football bubble bursts , because it's debatable even if ticket prices do tumble down that in the modern world with so many other things these days to do that millions of young people will flock to football games - or that some of the older ones who were priced out will return on a regular basis. Cherry picking games is the name of the game for many now days ,that's why selling ST's is still plays a big part in Ivan's agenda ,170,000 empty seats last season at the Emirates ,but all of them sold.Also it's the reason why clubs are looking at playing some money making games abroad , where the novelty value kicks in, and of course the much vaunted Broadband TV live games plan,this however ,like the Dodo, looks unlikely to ever get off the ground and fly .

  66. Ron

    Oct 30, 2014, 13:04 #60355

    Football has lost its earthiness for sure. Its lost the connections between player and fan as you say.There is much that is better than it was back then even, i have to admit but also much that is worse. Its a big discussion that is mate.Too big for typing! I cant stand the pristine and squeaky clean touristy feel of the Emirates either but its the way of things these days isnt it. I just do a few away games each season, say 7-8 of them. Its a good crack and day out and see the same old faces whos names are still not known after all these years and its not needed to know really. Even so, the most grounded of Clubs such as Everton and Co still have become subject to creeping commercialism, though the fans remain closer. Lets see what happens when they move stadia though? In fairness to Arsenal im not sure they even envisaged the full extent of the changes to football at the time they hatched the ground shift. Theyve learned as theyve gone along but got to like it.The bigger issue is that AW hasnt adapted to changes in the way football is played on the pitch and in my view has focused too much on what has changed off it. Hes a hybrid coach, half football and half 'director' and as such hes long been conflicted in my view. Hes like a heron in a pond. He cant decide which leg to stand on.

  67. Unchives

    Oct 30, 2014, 12:42 #60353

    Its funny that when we look back, everything seemed more Romantic or better then it actually was. I Stood in the North Bank too, the view was poor, you could not guarantee your standing position or view, as every crowd surge moved you 10ft either way. If you were lucky you were not near the concrete steps! Notwithstanding that, there were darts in peoples heads and stabbings if the North bank was breached by the opposing fans, maybe you were sitting at a table in the corner and lit by candlelight. With regard to moving to the promised Land, the blame lies totally on the Chelski Russian, everything else followed, you cant expect Arsenal to stand still. On and the wounderful David Dein, who brought Silent Stan into the fold, was fired for doing so, got into bed with a Russian, then sold a controlling share to him for £75 million.....the Romance continues! Unfortunately you cant put your Ticket on Standby, the club are trying to run a business, however you can now share a ticket or indeed let the club sell it on for a 10% fee on a match by match basis. I've got to ride off into the sunset now.....sorry... that's just Hollywood, where's the romance in the world these days?

  68. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Oct 30, 2014, 12:15 #60352

    The last year I regularly went was 1991/92, it was £8 to stand and I think from £12 to sit (even that was an increase of around 25% on the year before - 10% above the rate of inflation in those days). At the salary I was then on, to see every home league game would have been £168 = 1.6% of my income. To attend every game now would cost me something like 8%-9% of my income. THAT's why I gave up going a long time ago. But I guess I can't be a real supporter by not going eh? And if you think football is bad, try going to the cricket where prices have gone up something like 350% over the last 20 years.

  69. jjetplane

    Oct 30, 2014, 11:56 #60351

    Nice article Yasir and once you have found your new club (you are still permitted to follow Arsenal despite what AKBs think) you will find it a breath of fresh air. Think it's fine Arsenal becoming a big, corporate concern but when it is as clinical as just doing enough for 4th place for all time it really is a healthy move getting out. Watched Arsenal for forty years, have never been to the Emirates, watch football in the flesh most weeks and am truly loving it. There is football life outside the Theme Park. I call Bournemouth a big team now. Be a lot of shirts on ebay when Ozil goes in January. Circus.

  70. Gunner6

    Oct 30, 2014, 11:34 #60350

    @ number 112096812 Check your own grammar first before commenting on others. As for your assertion that you have to watch them when you can to be a supporter, you already contradicted yourself. Financially I am am unable to. So, in that respect, I can't watch them live. I have no satellite subscription and would rather listen to foreign commentary by streaming matches. Your logic that commercializing has been bad for Arsenal is hypocritical and unreasonable. How can we afford world class players staying at Highbury and charging prices pre-Emirates? I am sure if Arsenal had not moved you will be bitching about why we didn't get a sugar daddy or build a new stadium. Alternatively, law of demand and supply dictates Arsenal increase Highbury ticket prices to match the Emirates ticket prices to generate the same level of revenue. You come back to the same point. We are forced to by the other clubs artificial injection of funds. It is maniacal to think we can continue with the Highbury model once the Oligarchs come in. Thing is, Emirates model was build on pre-Oligarch assumptions. Imagine this, with Emirates we are just keeping in touch. What do you think would happen if we continued with the Highbury model. Get off your high horse and be pragmatic.

  71. Jimmy

    Oct 30, 2014, 11:23 #60348

    Tom,You sound a bit of a glory hunter yourself and part of the problem.If you're looking for a new team Yasir just do what a lot of the AMG's do and go and watch the chavs.The footballs garbage but the manager is a tactical genius.

  72. Jimmy

    Oct 30, 2014, 11:06 #60346

    I blame the disgruntles and wobs with their constant spend spend spend and glory at all costs who have come aboard in recent years.These idiots have pushed the club into greed to keep up with the plastic Chelsea's,City's and Man U's.

  73. Unknown

    Oct 30, 2014, 10:43 #60345

    Don't call yourself an Arsenal fan if you're going to switch teams. Once a club is in your heart it's there for life. Even if Arsenal were relegated to the conference the real fans would stand behind the club! Sure we don't have an influence any more but does any top tier club? The only fan influence I have seen recently is when West Ham fans told the club to play more attractive football. Grow up an get with the times just do it for the love of the club an the game not because you want to be the manager go buy fifa or football manager if you want to control club affairs.

  74. number 112096812

    Oct 30, 2014, 10:38 #60344

    Top post Yasir. And as for Gunner6, only your grammar is poorer than your logic. If you don't go to the games you won't have experienced the "day tripper" phenomenon where foreign "supporters" turn up in droves wearing every kind of merchandise, clutching numerous Armoury carrier bags and spend the entire game taking selfies. These are the fans wanted by Arsenal plc these days and they certainly seem to be able to get the tickets. As long as you don't trouble the club by turning up, keep buying the tat and pay your Sky subscription like a lamb I'm sure you are the ideal supporter for the marketing department. And yes you do need to see them live when and if you can to be a supporter.

  75. eric

    Oct 30, 2014, 10:19 #60343

    Once you support a team it's for life. I used to pay 6d, That's 2 1/2 p in new money to watch the 2rd team play in the 50's. (to small to go to 1st team game's). I still go when I get the chance, even in my 70's.

  76. Gunner6

    Oct 30, 2014, 9:53 #60342

    You make it sound like Arsenal started all this commercialism malarkey especially in your final paragraph. Things evolve and the bigger they get, the more commercialized it will become. It is not just Arsenal, it is everything. In a way, I am glad they build Emirates Stadium, or we will be behind in gate receipts and who knows how we can fund the acquisition of world class players like Ozil and Alexis. We could have stayed in Highbury and hoped for an oligarch. That would mean a lottery and ending up either as Chelski or Portsmouth. Are you willing to take that gamble? At least should Arsene falls dead one day, or Kronke, the club is self sustaining enough to keep going. Can we say the same about Roman and Chelski? Yes, I am sorry that a lot of people is being priced out. But a lot is still waiting to get their hands on the tickets too. Don't tar newcomers as prawn sandwich brigades. It devalues your argument. All successful clubs have it, at every level. You don't need a season ticket or watch them live to be called a real supporter. I haven't been to any matches in years, financial reasons of course, but I won't go complaining how club were in the past. Look at the big picture.