Modern Football Is Rubbish

No doubt the game has changed, but for the better?



Modern Football Is Rubbish

Jimmy Hill – Did the rot start here?


Football – it’s a business like any other, and has always been a business like any other, hasn’t it? Football-supporting is like a romanticised consumer choice, isn’t it? Though everyone protests that their allegiances are wholly different to their choice of, say, what supermarket they shop in, the reality is that it’s the same free-market choice to consume at one place rather than another, surely? No? What, in essence makes Football different then? Well, football’s exceptionalism comes from the fact that, in contrast to the ‘business like any other’ platitude that often does the rounds, the roots of football are far more collectivist in their origin than media coverage on the matter would have you believe.

Today’s players may kiss the badge to show their devotion to the cause, but before 1961 there had been little need for badge-kissing antics, as the players were going nowhere without their club’s say-so, regardless of whether their contracts had expired or not. Their wage was also capped, meaning that being an oligarch-owner of a football club looking to poach the top talent of your rivals by merely waving your wallet around would have been utterly pointless. The downside to this system, illustrated by Gary Imlach’s book ‘My Father and Other Working Class Heroes’, was that players were treated like chattels by their clubs and, rightly, this system was overturned by a high court in 1963.

The maximum wage had been abolished by the Football League without recourse to legal action two years earlier (though under duress of a strike brought by Jimmy Hill’s PFA). Prior to 1961, footballers mainly earned less than the spectators who watched them, and the absurdity of this scenario was highlighted by Bolton Wanderers’ left-back, Tommy Banks, at a PFA meeting, where a delegate from Bury FC argued against strike action because his father, a miner, didn't earn as much as he did. In response, Banks – an ex-miner himself - had stated: ‘I'd like to tell your father that I know the pits are a tough life. But there won't be 30,000 people watching him mine coal on Monday morning’ and then, pointing to Blackpool’s Stanley Matthews, added ‘there will be 30,000 watching me trying to stop Brother Matthews here’.

However unfair Football’s maximum wage had been, uncapped salaries in football in the years since haven’t been entirely without consequence for the game, particularly so after the foundation of the Premiership in 1992, where the balance of power has swung full circle. In the two decades which followed the formation of the Premiership, players’ wages grew by as much as 1508% (as a comparator for the rest of society the average had been 186%), with the knock-on effect being that, by 2011, it was reported that only eight of the Premiership’s twenty clubs actually recorded a profit.

Global management consulting firm A.T Kearney even goes as far as to claim that, since the introduction of the Bosman rule in 1995, football clubs have in essence become mere vessels for transporting football’s income to footballers and their agents. A meeting between Middlesbrough forward Wilf Mannion and baseball legend Babe Ruth, after a game at Highbury in 1939, had allegedly led to Ruth calling English footballers ‘bloody idiots’ when Mannion informed him that, despite playing in front of a 70,000 crowd, the players were on a maximum of £8 a week. Seventy-five years on, many observers of North American sports may possibly come to a similar conclusion regarding English football’s wage structure.

Salary caps - placed on the clubs rather than the players - do frequently operate in North American sports. However, unlike English football’s maximum wage era, most major North American sports stars are still earning millionaire salaries in spite of the presence of a salary cap, in large part due to the fact that the cap is annually adjusted with the player’s unions playing an active part in setting the cap figure. For a land where the unfettered market has always reigned supreme and still to some extent fears the ‘reds under the bed’, the Gridiron game – America’s national winter sport - has been described by some social commentators as following a ‘socialist’ model.

Salary caps are also present in Australian sports, as well as in both codes of English rugby. Almost always, all of these sports have a healthier competitive balance when compared with the English Premiership. Prior to the abolition of football’s maximum wage in 1961, the most successful side in English football since the maximum wage was implemented in 1901 was Arsenal, who had seven titles to their name. The next best two sides were Manchester United and Liverpool. However, these three clubs were among seventeen different title-winners over forty-nine competitive seasons. Their collective share of league titles over this period had been 32.6%. Since the abolition of the maximum wage, however that share has nearly doubled to 64.2%.

This imbalance accelerated much further when the Premiership was formed, as throughout the 1970s and 80s, though Liverpool had often occupied the top spot at the end of the season, the pacemaker sides were rarely the usual suspects – with runners-up ranging from smaller sides such as Ipswich, QPR and Watford, to big-city clubs such as Arsenal, Everton and Manchester United. Today, in contrast, the top five positions are occupied by almost always (give or take the odd surprise like Manchester United’s collapse under David Moyes last season) the exact same sides, year in year out.

Similarly, at the other end of the table, the bottom three of the Premiership usually have at least one side which came up the previous season heading back down again. If you, and a group of your friends with any modicum of football knowledge, sat down at the start of the season to predict the top four sides and the three to be relegated, in no particular order, for the season ahead, there is a strong likelihood that, come May, most of you would get at least four (possibly five) correct. Carrying out the same prediction twenty years earlier, however, would have undoubtedly been a harder task, which implies that Premiership football is on its way to becoming as pre-determined as that other great all-American sport - professional wrestling - only minus the artistic licence of a WWE scriptwriter.

How has this come about? Isn’t this just meritocratic with the top five sides just simply better than the rest? Well, to a degree; however, how football’s wealth has come to be distributed over the last three decades needs to be taken into account. Today, football’s primary income source is TV revenue. The Premiership now reaps £5.5 billion in global TV rights, which is distributed unequally between twenty sides – with a club’s position in the league and how many times their games are televised over a year accounting for the difference in revenue between the sides.

In contrast, back in 1979 the Football League’s TV deal reaped just £2.2 million from the BBC and ITV collectively, which was to be shared out equally between all ninety-two member clubs, leaving not a particularly great amount of revenue to be reaped by each individual club. The main income-generator for clubs therefore would come from gate-receipts, giving the attending fan a considerable amount of power (power which has now been transferred to the TV companies and the armchair fan, both home and abroad). Also, back in the early 1980s, all gate-receipts from Football League fixtures were split evenly between the home and away sides, with a 4% levy which accrued to the Football League and which was re-distributed among all ninety-two member clubs equally.

Since the start of the 1983/84 season however, all gate-receipts have been kept by the home side. The effect of this is illustrated by a quote from The Times Newspaper in February 1983, which highlighted that, under the old arrangement ‘If Manchester United was to play Coventry at Highfield Road 21 times, Manchester United would receive £60,000, but if Coventry City played Manchester United at Old Trafford the same number of times, Coventry City would receive £250,000’. The abolition of gate-sharing has, without a doubt, empowered the Manchester Uniteds of football over the Coventrys. There had also been no significant sponsorship deals prior to Liverpool’s deal with Hitachi in 1979.

Thirty-five years on, almost every club has a sponsorship deal of sorts, but not all clubs are equally attractive to the sponsors. Manchester United have several official partnerships worth a seven-figure sum, but how many companies would wave a seven-figure before Burnley or Crystal Palace simply to become their official savoury-snack partner? Ultimately, this disparity of income creates a competitive imbalance within the league to the extent that small provincial sides like Southampton and Swansea City are considered to be exceeding all expectations if they manage to reach eighth in the Premiership. However it wasn’t so long ago that equally small provincial sides like Nottingham Forest, Derby County and Ipswich Town were actually winning League titles and European competitions.

You may be asking at this point how this affects us, being that this is an Arsenal site, we being one of the bigger clubs and, aside from Wembley last May, seemingly unable to win a pot for love nor money. Well, such is the absurdity of football today that, arguably, Arsenal, Liverpool and Manchester United are the ‘underdogs’ for merely not having a sugar daddy to fund them beyond their means as Chelsea and Manchester City have. Or, you could look at it another way – that Chelsea and Manchester City are actually the modern ‘underdog’, albeit one that’s grossly pumped up on financial steroids in order to compete with and overtake the aristocrats of the game who have bigger fan-bases and greater independent financial means.

It’s easy to forget that the Premiership’s competitive imbalance actually pre-dated Abramovich’s arrival in 2003, where the only three Premiership winners by this point were England’s most supported and richest side (Manchester United), the most supported side in the richest part of England (Arsenal) and another side funded excessively beyond their means (Blackburn Rovers). Thirty-five years ago, a minnow side without a significant history could rise from the second tier to win the league and back-to-back European Cups purely on the strength of one man and his management skills (Brian Clough). In contrast with today, where an English club side without a significant history rises up to the Champions League elite, it does so only on the strength of one man’s wallet (Roman Abramovich/Sheik Mansoor). And this is before we even take the Champions League qualification factor into account.

The financial difference between qualifying for the first round of the Champions League and qualifying for the first round of the Europa League can be as much as £20 million; hence the reason why Arsène Wenger (regardless of any tactical deficiencies which I’m sure you’ll argue about among yourselves till the cows come home) prefers to see fourth place as a ‘trophy’ over a real one made of silver with handles like the League Cup and FA Cup, which of themselves offer much less financially to the victors. Even sides at the foot of the Premiership would prefer to finish seventeenth in the table than be relegated and win either of these trophies.

This development has redefined ‘success’ in Football as something much more benign, with the expectation that fans will applaud the attainment of a mere revenue-stream that comes with finishing places in the Premiership over that of actually winning a trophy. After all, if Arsenal had won the FA Cup last season and finished fifth, the bean-counters would have effectively deemed it a season of ‘failure’, in comparison with the ‘success’ of the nine trophy-less seasons which preceded it. And it has been this benign form of ‘success’ which has effectively kept Arsène Wenger in his job for the last few seasons. What strikes me most about the changes in football which have facilitated this rise of ‘benign success’ however is how little they were actually fuelled by public demand.

For example, often when perusing the comments section of my previous articles, it’s notable the number of times people have bemoaned the extension of Champions League qualification beyond the domestic title-winners, as it used to be up until 1997, and even called for a return of the straight knock-out competition of the European Champions Cup format pre-1991. In my own opinion, it’s doubtful whether this would be a great improvement on the current format but it does remind me that this was a development which occurred with practically nothing in the way of public demand.

Similarly, no football fans were crying out for the creation of a breakaway Premier League back in the early 1990s. Both of these developments came about as a result of the owners of the big clubs threatening to break away from the established set-up, if the powers that be didn’t appease their money-making urges. The concerns of advertisers, television companies and football club CEOs took primacy over that of the fans – who, if nothing else, are football’s ‘consumer base’ (name me one other industry which so brazenly disregards the wishes of its own consumers in this fashion?).

And yet, up until three decades previously, so anti-commercial was the ethos of English football, that there actually was a rule against profits being made in the English game. In 1912 the FA enacted Rule 34, which restricted the dividends that football clubs could pay out to shareholders to just 5% of the share’s face-value. Rule 34 also restricted what could happen to the assets of a club were it to face a winding-up order; it disallowed a club owner’s ability to liquidate a football club and sell off its ground for a profit, as well as preventing football club directors from receiving a salary from their clubs.


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  1. aabbs

    Nov 10, 2014, 22:47 #61072

    Great article,corporate culture has robotosised almost every facet of society.

  2. HowardL

    Nov 10, 2014, 10:00 #60978

    Brilliant article Robert - I too plan to buy your book. Excellent discussion too; how can so many people keep watching this increasingly meaningless game at these inflated prices with virtually no hope of any real success? Perhaps they've simply got nothing better to do?

  3. Ned Ryersen

    Nov 09, 2014, 20:37 #60942

    Remember me! Do you have adequate defensive cover? Because if you do you could always use a little more in the January transfer window. Am I right, or am I right or am I right?

  4. Hi Berry

    Nov 09, 2014, 19:37 #60932

    @ Forced - That is so true. My first game was a London derby against West Ham in the mid to late sixties. I can remember getting to the ground about midday and waiting around until the gates opened around one-ish (?) Entrance costed a couple of shillings or so for kids to get in to the North Bank - easily affordable from my paper-round money. Contrast that with the hoops of fire one has to go through to get a ticket these days with the membership scheme meaning you pay just for the privilege of picking up the scraps left after the Gold and Silvers have had their say. Another ridiculous anomaly is being able to purchase a Junior Gunners ticket a month or so before a Red member can - not easy when you want to take your young son or daughter with you. Not much to say about today's game other than Bill Murray's being woken up at 6am once again.

  5. Forced into early retirement from watching Arsenal

    Nov 09, 2014, 19:13 #60930

    Without realising it, or doing it deliberately, I've all but retired from attending Arsenal games. I live and breath Arsenal, but have been steadily forced into stopping going due to prices being far too high for a sterile, sanitised atmosphere where vocal support isn't encouraged. I refuse to pay over the odds to sit around people who sit on their hands and make no noise except for the ocassional 'oo ah ya'. (Can we ban that please?) Plenty has improved about football so it isn't all rubbish, but the parts that first attracted me to it are sadly absent. I watched the Ronnie Radford goal for Hereford recently. What's notable is the number of kids on the pitch. There aren't enough kids going habitually, because they cannot afford it. Tomorrow's fans won't be as passionate - ergo soulless stadiums with flat atmospheres. It used to seriously dangerous at times, but it also used to be such fun a lot of the time. If the football was dire - and let's be honest it really was at times - at least the singing and camaraderie was there. Look at the kids at the Hereford match. Such a laugh. Now it's as though Oliver Cromwell is running stadium management and banned all the fun and invited in a load of mongs to clap politely and spend big on hot dogs and merchandise such as half and half scarves.

  6. jjetplane

    Nov 09, 2014, 12:33 #60909

    Great post DERMOT am an oldie but gave up a decade ago with the PL. See where you are going with the basketball thing. Spent a year watching college stuff in Kansas which was brilliant and totally affordable. I see quite a few young guys out on the nearby courts too. Terrible that the youth do not get a chance to see their local Holloway team. When I first went we were paying 5p in the schoolboys and the place was racked with local kids. You are right - why should they give a toss. I don't either.

  7. Dermot

    Nov 09, 2014, 12:01 #60908

    All the teenagers and twenty something's I know couldn't care less about football because it means nothing to them. Why should it? They can't get to see it so who cares right? Teenagers in the inner city are growing up basketball fans because football is beyond their reach. This has had a big impact on Arsenal - the ground is filled with an ageing and grumbling crowd who can just about afford it but frankly, they resent it. Extortionate prices mean that crowd will never back the team unconditionally and their advancing age means they couldn't even if they tried. While I tire of the moaning and squealing of the WOB's you can't actually blame them. They're old, they remember better times and they're being ripped off. They are not naturally optimistic like youngsters would be. This won't improve any time soon and it's football's own fault.

  8. Hiccup

    Nov 09, 2014, 11:56 #60907

    Just updated my 'PL results after a CL matchday' wallchart, and the trend of poor results for those in Europe continues. City's and Liverpool's results back it up. We have to exclude Chelsea as they are exempt because they foul a lot and the referees let them get away with it. Also notable that Man Utd and Burnley won yesterday, who didn't have tough European fixtures last week. Will complete the chart after today's games and update my findings.

  9. Perry Groves

    Nov 09, 2014, 9:06 #60906

    Ozzie - you can buy the book by clicking on the link. And a very good book it is too. Also available on Kindle

  10. Ozzie

    Nov 09, 2014, 5:04 #60905

    Robert, you've summed up in a nutshell why the Premier League leaves a bitter taste in the mouth. Even here in OZ the PL is the target of many a joke of which some would have you roaring with laughter but for the obvious imbalance and lack of real 'competition' and the loss of that feeling of 'belonging' the fans once shared. Our sports in Oz are much the better in terms of competitiveness for having the salary cap in place but humans, being the parasites, are constantly seeking an unfair advantage. Love the title of your book, where can I acquire a copy?

  11. jjetplane

    Nov 08, 2014, 14:42 #60904

    I have never in my life met a supporter yet who did not have a laugh on an away day whether north or south. Met a few in my time who are keen on unfounded generalisations about everything if it helps them out of their intellectual quagmire. Basically JAMIE me old mucka - you do moan a lot and wanting Wenger out is a football decision of the emotionless variety whereas keeping him on is a non football decision of the emotional variety. Funny how emotions tire with time. One of these days you will be surrounded by ex WOBS and enjoying the memories of these lost days .... peace man.

  12. exiled&dangerous

    Nov 07, 2014, 23:56 #60902

    Well, I dunno about it just being grim up north - I can recall going to Chelsea on a Sunday afternoon, or was it possibly a Monday night, early in the first season of THE PREMIER LEAGUE!!!!!!!!! and having to piss in the dark as there were no lights in the bogs. The worst part about the entire episode was Murdoch's logo - "It's a whole new ball game." Er..... yeah....... quite.

  13. JAMIE

    Nov 07, 2014, 23:17 #60901

    I agree it's no way as good as it used to be but I wouldn't just blame the jcl's.Most people who want Arsenal to spend are the ones who hate Wenger,they are also the ones who want tickets reduced which seems hypocritical.And are also the most impatient when it comes to the young players.Capitalism and luxury is what most folk want yet when they get it they pine for what they had before.A few years ago I can remember many a gooner moaning at having to visit various northern grounds because of their lack of amenities,now they pretend they loved it.

  14. Miles F

    Nov 07, 2014, 17:55 #60898

    I really enjoyed reading your posts and agree with a lot of the sentiments. I agree that we lost a lot by leaving Highbury (under the deceitful pretence of needing to compete with the Mancs and the Chavs, if you recall) but even worse has been the grotesque attitude of the Club to fleecing supporters ever since, and putting profit (not just balancing the books, which would be right and proper, but profit) before everything else. The corporate theft of £3m of our money this year stinks, and one of the small shareholders should challenge it. Sadly Usmanov wont challenge it because the result would be him having his interest bought out. I wonder, could Usmanov be the saviour of the true fans? At least he would put some of his own money into the club, unlike the Krooke who takes our money out.

  15. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 07, 2014, 17:37 #60897

    Westlower, well well out of my price range ridiculous money, I might have told the story before about making it into the marble halls after the last NLD there. The crowd had cleared a bit and some of us came back down from the pub for one last look around before heading home, there was no one on the door so we peaked in and it was open, so I ventured in unbelievably there was no one around, got a couple of great photos of Chapman's bust and other old photos on the walls, was about to chance going up the stairs for a couple more looking down when all I heard was what the shout, what the f**k are you doing in here, get the f**k out I promptly did.

  16. Lord Froth

    Nov 07, 2014, 15:57 #60895

    I also think the game has changed for the worse in many ways. Players diving all over the place. Not allowed to tackle. A penalty for 'touching' an opponent even if he's not been impeded. Too expensive. Quiet crowds. Expensive merchandise. Fans getting on board with the devaluation of the League and FA cups even though it's all they're ever likely to have a sniff of winning, etc. Also, on another note,my Mum never knows what to get me for my birthday so this year she got me a tour of the Emirates which I went to with my sister. At the end we went and saw the FA cup and Community Shield and the bloke took a picture of me with them and gave me a ticket to collect the photo. Stupidly I expected this to be free as part of the tour which is already paid for but when I got to the armoury at the end of the tour and handed over the ticket the bloke in the shop told me it cost £10. 10 quid for one photo? I told him to forget it. I'm not a skinflint but I'm a grown up that wasn't too bothered about having the photo. I think a couple of quid would have been fair but imagine you've taken a couple of my kids and you know they'd be disappointed if they couldn't have their photo to take away, that would have cost you £20 for the priviledge. Arsenal are obviously making money hand over fist but they are not getting any more of mine with that sort of business model to be honest.

  17. John F

    Nov 07, 2014, 15:38 #60894

    Hi Ron, Tommy Doc was at Man Utd when he was playing away but he was managing Derby when the press got hold of it.

  18. Alsace Lorraine

    Nov 07, 2014, 15:20 #60891

    Wenger is a screaming success as far as money is concerned and a specialist in failure in delivering something we can be bothered to be bothered about. The best example that I can think of is a hugely successful chocolate bar made with caramel and nougat. Those of us who are old enough to remember the genuine article from the 70's (and before) know that today's version is feeble and ersatz. If you are too young to know any better then it tastes ok. Very, very sad.

  19. Ron

    Nov 07, 2014, 15:02 #60889

    John f - i do a few away games here and there still. Decent atmospheres i find - WBA, Everton, Sunderland, Leics City, West Ham. Leeds, Wolves. Not too bad at times - Liverpool, Villa. Totts. Always poor - Man City, Chelsea, Man Utd. The rest are pretty nondescript. None of the crowds make the grounds hum any more though in fairness. The London crowds save for Hammers are the least rousing places and even the Hammers isnt anything like it was years back.Its the social demography i suppose and London is more acute and directly affected perhaps than other areas. Utd too in fairness, way back was a hotbed atmosphere when the Stretford End really got going for them. Been rubbish for years now. Again its become a very cosmopolitan City and as such its affected. Anfield lives on its 1960s atmosphere. Its silent there now when theyre losing or under pressure.

  20. A Cornish Gooner

    Nov 07, 2014, 14:25 #60888

    Ron et al. From Wikipedia. Docherty led United to the FA Cup final in 1977 against Liverpool. United won 2–1. Shortly afterwards, news that Docherty was having an extramarital affair with the wife of a United physiotherapist, Laurie Brown, became public. He was sacked in a blaze of publicity in July 1977. Docherty was replaced at Old Trafford by the same man who had replaced him at Chelsea, Dave Sexton. The affair also resulted in the end of his marriage to Agnes, who had been his wife since December 1949. She has since died. Tommy later married Mary Brown and they are still together after more than 30 years. Docherty became manager at Derby County in September 1977, where he stayed for two seasons before resigning in May 1979.

  21. BADARSE

    Nov 07, 2014, 13:46 #60887

    Ron, haven't checked, busy today, but felt certain it was MU.

  22. Ron

    Nov 07, 2014, 13:41 #60886

    Guys. Dont quote me on this but wasnt Tommy Doc at Manure and not Derby when he boned the physios Wife? Seemed to recall it was Manures Catholicism re Edwards Senior when he was the head honcho there that did for the Doc.

  23. chris dee

    Nov 07, 2014, 12:43 #60885

    The game has changed.For the better? It depends how well Arsenal are doing. The game had changed from 1998 to 2005 but for the better,from 1969 to 1972 it changed but was better as it was from 1987 to 1994. At the moment the game has changed but not for the better.

  24. Tony Evans

    Nov 07, 2014, 12:32 #60884

    Great posts from all (even most of Jamie's until he got side-tracked into the boring AMG / AKB argument again). Wonderful memories and I well remember the Peter Shilton / Tommy Doc chants that John F mentions. Seven Kings - your dad sounds like a great fella and my late father was very much in the same mold - told it how it was and didn't suffer fools gladly. A and F and Ron - bang on the money again as usual.

  25. Westlower

    Nov 07, 2014, 12:17 #60883

    @Maguiresbridge, Old habits die hard. We still walk from Finsbury Park station, food & drink in Blackstock Road, onto the Emirates via Avenell Road & the old stadium. It's in our DNA. A 2 bed maisonette in Avenell Mansions, Highbury will set you back £675,000.

  26. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 07, 2014, 12:03 #60882

    Westlower, I certainly did and surprised it's only coming up now, i'd forgotten about it myself, as well as listening to what they had to say, walking up past Highbury stadium into the marble halls (great to see they haven't changed a bit)up the stairs out onto the pitch (sorry garden)where the two dugouts were you can still feel the place and if all those flower beds, ornaments, and walkways weren't there you could still imagine a match taking place.

  27. Ron

    Nov 07, 2014, 12:02 #60881

    SKG - Its the sharp suited and booted imagery of the Sky failure squad, the pundits (Cloughies historic description of them) that gets me, as much as the towing the SKY line garbage they sit there routinely spewing out. As for Neville and Carragher drawing silly squiggles while they slag off players faults, don't get me going mate! Neville shdt be doing that in depth level of punditry while hes at the FA. Not sure how hes pulled that off. Whats makes it even worse is that neither of them was a top class player. Both just limited workhorses.

  28. Seven Kings Gooner

    Nov 07, 2014, 11:01 #60879

    Morning guys - I think I finally understand that the thing I miss the most in football, outside of going to the match with my father and my sons, is Highbury. While we were still there it was a connection with the past and our glorious heritage. Arsenal Stadium was quite simply the most beautiful ground in the country. As for the modern TV coverage it gets dafter every season - the latest is the close up shot of the referee dramatically grabbing the match ball from the Barclay's sponsored pedestal - I could not stop laughing when I first saw it. I have heard of film stars on a pedestal, I have heard of beautiful women on a pedestal, some of us have even put politicians on one, but a football - now Robert that really is rubbish!

  29. Ron

    Nov 07, 2014, 10:57 #60878

    A and F - On the button mate. Lets be honest though. The Clubs pressing for it to happen were Man U, Arsenal, Tottenham, Liverpool and Chelsea. Many other Clubs didnt want or were indifferent to it.This gang of 5 all wanted to snort from the same filthy pig trough and got their way.Its ironic that Tottenham have barely featured in the CL bonanza that followed. Typical. Awful bloody Club. Rotten fans and even more rotten management for years, Sugar included, though he always had that the measure of that phoney, grinning oaf Venables who was as daft as Fergie was taking on Coolmore when he (Venables) took on Sugar. Some of these football Coaches have over the years got well above their real level, to name but those two in particular.

  30. John f

    Nov 07, 2014, 10:56 #60877

    Great post Seven Kings.I miss the humour and songs at the grounds.I used to love playing a team after a bit of scandal. I remember us playing Derby after Tommy docs affair with his physio Mary brown hit the papers. The reworking of the tune knees up Mother Brown to who's up Mary Brown lives long in my memory. The match against Forest after Peter Shilton s affair with Tina had the North Bank in fine form.Now what do we get a weak chant of who are you.I have been to a few away games in recent years and find the smaller northern clubs like Bolton and Wigan still have a good atmosphere and I have to say our away support is still very good.. I blame greedy players and agents for the problems in football today.Its ironic that players from working class backgrounds have through the wages they demand priced ordinary fans out of the game.

  31. Angry & Frustrated

    Nov 07, 2014, 10:42 #60876

    One further thought on this thread, is that lot down the road are actually responsible for the original direction where the modern game finds itself today. To be precise Alan Sugar, he was chairman at Spurs at the time when Sky eventually won the new TV deal in 1992 over the BBC & ITV. There had been sealed bids, but because he was in the meeting to decide who would get the new contract, he quickly left the meeting to call Murdoch to up his bid, as they were about to lose out, as the terrestrial channels had jointly outbid them. You see Sugar had a vested interest, because his company Amstrad had the sole contract to make all the dishes for Sky, so he knew this contract would never get off the ground unless Murdoch won the football rights deal. So basically Sky gazumped the BBC/ITV at the eleventh hour because of the Spurs chairman, and the rest as they say is history. I don’t doubt it would have come about eventually anyway, but it was the Spurs chairman at the time who effectively sold all us football fans down the river. We all have a natural inbuilt dislike of Spurs, but the wider football supporters in the country, should hate them as much as we do, because of their contribution in bringing us all to the beck and call of Murdoch’s Sky!

  32. BADARSE

    Nov 07, 2014, 9:56 #60874

    Seven Kings Gooner, that was nice.

  33. Angry & Frustrated

    Nov 07, 2014, 9:53 #60873

    Good article Robert and I can’t argue with the main headline - Modern football is rubbish! What Tony Evans also said, is so accurate, I would definitely not be enamoured with the modern game if I had my time again, because as he says, it’s in our blood that we continue to keep an interest. We sort of hang on, somehow hoping the old days might return, but we are just fooling ourselves as they never will. Many other posters have also succinctly put across points that just make me very sad at what’s been allowed to disappear. Looking back I suppose the day Rupert Murdoch’s Sky empire got involved, was the beginning of the end, as it was then that the money men and pure greed took over. Just having every single game kick off at 3pm on a Saturday afternoon again would be a nostalgic experience. SKG your memories of your late father are a joy to read about, because they touch on the essence about what’s been lost. My personal input to this thread would be how each time my mate and I turned the corner from Avenell Road to get our first glimpse of the art deco East Stand with the flags fluttering in the breeze are something I will never forget. That first glimpse each time sent my spine tingling, even after hundreds of previous occasions seeing that sight. The sheer class of that downward view made me feel so proud to be an Arsenal supporter, as no other ground in the country came remotely close to what we had then or now. Today’s modern spaceship stadium just doesn’t cut the mustard for me, as it’s just a place to attempt to fleece every penny we have from us. I also loved the sense of camaraderie then, and the side splitting terrace humour which today has all but gone. I guess us older contributors on here are just grumpy old men who reminisce about the good old days, which ironically we all probably thought - sad old gits when our grandparents generation reminisced. I suppose my name which initially encapsulated my feelings towards Wenger and the board in general, are also really about modern football, as it has sold its soul for the filthy lucre!

  34. Loser

    Nov 07, 2014, 9:27 #60871

    what a winner Wenger looked like on Tues night. great body language, so well turned out, a real picture of power and confidance and control. i was suprised he didnt open his umbrella at one point

  35. Red Member

    Nov 07, 2014, 9:25 #60869

    one of the reasons modern football is rubbish is that there is access to much of it. Thursday night Europa League is the worst - not because it is Europa League, but because the matches take place on Thursday nights and the knock on effect means more PL games take place on Sundays...The great European nights used to be Tuesday and Wednesday nights only but with a number of english sides in action it used to be quite fun. TV coverage? No not until the final but listening to Peter Jones on radio 2 more than made up for that. I see that the FA Cup is back on the BBC this year but they seem to be going for the overkill approach too as if this was how the cup used to be covered in the past! If they really want the FA Cup to be special again they should try and make sure most games kick off at 3pm on Saturdays (I include the final in that - the 5.15pm kick off was the deathknell of the cup for me)and reduce the live TV games which have diluted the experience so much that no one is really that bothered anymore.

  36. Tony Evans

    Nov 07, 2014, 8:53 #60868

    Robert - your well researched post certainly led to some great responses and it was interesting to me that my reply struck a cord with many too. It is sad though that so many genuine fans feel so detached from the club, and yet, as 6ooner Pete says, Premiership football grounds in general still sell out despite the prices and boring predictability of where the trophies will be going. A new breed of fan must have evolved that I can't quite work out - they obviously have deep pockets but I can't for the life of me see what they get out of it without the deep connection to the club that us older fans, who grew up supporting Arsenal, had.

  37. Westlower

    Nov 07, 2014, 8:41 #60867

    Did anyone hear the conversation between Charlie George & Frank McLintock before the Anderlecht game. Arsenal had just lifted the wage restrictions in 1970 & the players were to be paid an extra £1 for crowds in excess of 28,000 (Presumably £1 for every 1,000 over 28,000). I believe Frank was paid about £100 a week if all the bonuses clicked into place. Players often kept quiet about niggling injuries because they couldn't afford to be left out of the first team as their wages dropped significantly. How the money side of the game has changed since TV companies took control of football.

  38. Finsbury Joe

    Nov 06, 2014, 23:36 #60861

    Alexis Sanchez looks like Peter Andre

  39. maguiresbriidge gooner

    Nov 06, 2014, 22:38 #60860

    Ron, local high school and just a couple of O'levels, one jobs worth from Strasbourg uni representing our club is enough, but for £8,million a season i'd become one as jw says if the one we have can do it, all i'd need is a puffa jacket.

  40. CT Gooner

    Nov 06, 2014, 22:08 #60859

    Excellent comments and stories of obviously great people. Unfortunately the club most of you talk of was an Islington club. Clubs like that still exist, just not in the Mega-Leagues. Arsenal today are very similar to the American Teams Robert talks of, don't buy the ticket, well some one else will, and if they don't we'll move the team. I know the last part won't happen, but you get the point. I just hope we can get to a point where the corporation that is Arsenal understand that the customer is their friend not their unending overdraft. I say this as I love football and don't want to stop going...

  41. johnnyhawleyloveinggooner

    Nov 06, 2014, 21:48 #60858

    Every sport has evolved over time sometimes for the better sometimes not.they talk of a golden age of tennis yet without wooden rackets to me it is a game of powerball with most of the skill gone.the likes of Stan taking three mil for heavens knows what really is a deal breaker for me with the present set up.what is the point of big Als share holding if he is unwilling or unable to stop it or even question it.

  42. jeff wright

    Nov 06, 2014, 21:33 #60856

    Ron ,MG is making a good point those Strasbourg Uni Jobsworths are everywhere. I blame Wenger for this,having seen the money he has made now every fool thinks if he can do it ,then so can I ! There is even a Jobsworth Employment Agency in the UK . You couldn't make it up.

  43. Seven Kings Gooner

    Nov 06, 2014, 21:09 #60854

    Ron & Bard: Thanks guys, my father was like most men who went through WW2, they knew what mattered and what was really important. Friendship, camaraderie and watching your mate's back, dad saw everything in such straight lines but bloody hell was he strict with me. Still he took me to Arsenal when I was 10, as I took my two sons at that age. His finest hour was 62/63? when a group of Chelsea fans got in the West Enclosure, Chelsea were 3-0 up and we stunk the place out, these interlopers were taking the p*ss big time. Up marches dad straight into the middle of them and gives the one making all the noise a piece of paper, "here is my address, you give me yours and if Chelsea are still in division one at the end of the season I'll send you a fiver, if you are relegated, as I think you will be, you send me a fiver" (A fiver was a fair bit of cash in those days) The guy did n't take dad up on his offer and low and behold down went "the chavs" into division two. I was 12 at the time and asked dad if he was afraid they might have set about him. "Afraid, listen you must never be afraid of the truth and the truth is they are going down" As Chelsea indeed did. I miss him more with every passing day and the thing I miss the most is his brutal honesty, a commodity in such short supply in today's so called modern world.

  44. Ron

    Nov 06, 2014, 20:48 #60851

    Hey Jeff, MGs joined us and on about 'jobsworths' now. Strasbourg Uni educated do you reckon?

  45. Hiccup

    Nov 06, 2014, 20:47 #60850

    Well said Ron. Good job this isn't an official arsenal blog run by the club otherwise you'd be blocked for showing too much passion. You can't have singing these days though as fans are trying to hold conversations on their phones. The point is, if it's all sbout making money now, which some on here seem to be more bothered about than anything, then they feel once they've paid over their cash, that's their bit done, read the paper and await the financial results. It's very funny when Jamie goes on about it being the wob's fault we haven't won sod all because they don't get behind the team, yet it's those fans who don't mind wenger staying sitting there texting all game.

  46. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 06, 2014, 20:35 #60848

    Tony Evans, needless to say i'm right with you there, SKG nice story and sad, jobs worth's, a sign of things to come.

  47. Ron

    Nov 06, 2014, 20:24 #60845

    SKG - I always like your posts. Bravo to your Dad. He sounded/sounds like a top bloke. The fans of today who frequent the place could liken that incident then to what happens routinely at the stadium now, yet perhaps the reaction shown by your Dad wouldnt even occur to them such is the level of marketing and brainwashing bulls--t spewing out of the Club.

  48. Bard

    Nov 06, 2014, 20:13 #60842

    Seven Kings Gooner. Great story mate. Beautiful encapsulation of what the club has become.

  49. Seven Kings Gooner

    Nov 06, 2014, 20:03 #60841

    Tony: You have put my feelings much more succinctly than I ever could, thank you. My father just wanted to get through the war, see my mum again and get along to the Arsenal at the weekend. Dad told me that in late 48/49 Ilford Football Club played a game at their Ley Street ground (held maximum 3,4,000)and 25,000 people turned up. Starved of football during hostilities working class heroes would go anywhere to see a game. Those wonderful years I spent with dad in the West Lower (2 posts in from the North Bank and long before the plywood seats) were the happiest weekends of my life. The game was played by proper men who earned maybe a few shillings more than the people watching them. Out of principle my father would not have paid the daft money now to watch these tattooed "new aristocrats" The last game I took my dad to we arrived early so I could take him into the Arsenal museum which was then under the North Bank. The steward at the door told us only Bond holders were allowed in, I remonstrated but to no avail. Dad swayed a bit on his legs, as he did when had the hump (and more likely because he spent 20 years in the merchant navy)he then walked up to this "jobs worth" and said "son, most of what you have got in that museum of yours I probably saw happen in real life but if Arsenal cannot allow me a peep at a few "knick knacks from yesteryear after 50 years a supporter then I don't belong here anymore" We lost the game to Palace 1-2 and Dad never went back!

  50. Big Andy

    Nov 06, 2014, 19:51 #60840

    @Tony Evans: Totally agree with you, mate. I've been an Aresenal fan for nearly 40 years, but if I was a kid now I would be totally turned off by the game. Big money - whether it be from the sugar daddies or sponsers and Sky TV - has ruined football. Clubs don't win trophies any more - they buy them. That's why the magic and fantasy has gone. Wage capping in the Premier League would be fantastic but realistically it will never happen. I gave up going to football three years ago.

  51. Ron

    Nov 06, 2014, 19:48 #60839

    Hi Hiccup - maybe so mate but im not sure that imagery that you conjure there is any less off putting than seeing stony silent people sitting like mannequins in most of the seats, others taking selfies and making multi media clips on phones and cameras, others having business meetings in person and on phones, girls dressed up to their nines in seats that real fans cant get, pouting and preening as they look around to see if theyre getting noticed, others asleep, others nearly asleep, others reading the paper, others having their dinner on their laps, with phones locked on to their ears, others on lap tops sending business letters or having a shufty at porn hub milfs, whichever takes priority! Others up and down to the bog and back 6 times each half, stewards insisting on sitting down and telling off for the odd expletive, fans turning on others who sing. Shall i go on? Ill have the flares, grandad shirts, perms and taches any day because back then what went on in the 4 corners of the pitch meant everything. Being at the Arsenal was for the team not because its looks and sounds good to say you go like many see it today.

  52. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 06, 2014, 19:44 #60838

    Interesting article Robert especially the line about the competitive imbalance predating the oil money, when we had the power and the dough(bank of England club) buying the best players, (and dare I say it a good manager) that was alright then, plenty of complaints now when the tables are turned, now we know how other teams and their fans felt when we were top dogs.

  53. Hiccup

    Nov 06, 2014, 19:17 #60834

    Baddie raises a good point. You don't miss what you never had. When I was a kid the bygones was black and white footage with men in drab suits and caps, and kids wearing rosettes and waving rattles. It looked bloody awful and I thanked God I wasn't around then. I'm sure the kids now look back at the 80's footage and just see yobs with bubble perms and tashes and tacchini jumpers and thank their stars they've missed that era.

  54. Bard

    Nov 06, 2014, 18:14 #60829

    Really interesting and well written post. Also some really good responses. Red Member I have wondered the same thing. Chelsea and City dont have the brand to create that much interest. We shall see. Jamie, you complain about all the ranting but all you seem to put forward is get behind the lads. Who is Alvin Martin apart from an average CB 20 years ago. One of the reasons City have problems filling the ground is an economic one, many of their fans cant afford the prices, its not because they are apathetic. You forget London is a bubble, much of the rest of the country is in decline mate. Widen your thinking a bit.

  55. JAMIE

    Nov 06, 2014, 17:12 #60824

    I really enjoyed this article Robert Exley well written.Good to see someone who clearly wants Wenger out come up with a well searched our article,instead of the usual circular head in the clouds repetitive dung we get from most AMG's.I remember back in the eighties when they were talking about reducing the league to eighteen teams and there was only us and manure who wanted to do it.Never agreed with the club on that one as I thought it was the start of elitism.Man City getting grief on the radio today for not getting behind the team in Europe apparently it was buy one ticket (£25) get one free to fill the ground,Chelsea likewise joke fans.Alvin Martin was saying how he feels the fans of these teams need to step up to the plate as well as the players instead of just whinging as he says it affects some players ability to perform at their best.In my opinion if the fans of Arsenal had got behind the team 100% in recent years instead of only half of us,while the rest just sulked and felt sorry for themselves there would be more than just the FA cup in the trophy cabinet.Listen to my wise doctrine you know who you are faint hearts time to either shape up or make like Steve Bould's hair and thin out.

  56. 600NER PETE

    Nov 06, 2014, 16:49 #60819

    I don't understand how football fans are still turning up in such big numbers. Over the years, as this article states, it has become less and less likely for most teams to win a trophy, particulatly the premier league. How does a fan of say Villa, once winners of the European cup, still turn up week after week when they have no chance of winning the league when tickets are so expensive and the atmosphere is nothing like it was when there were still terraces. Even worse, they play a weakened team in the FA cup, a competition that they actually have a chance of winning. When I first started going to Arsenal in 1968 it wasn't necessarily about only going if we were winning trophies but even in the barren seasons there was always a chance of a good cup run and maybe a chance of competing in the league title next year. Lots of teams had a chance of winning trophies which made football a lot more exciting and interesting. This was combined with the cameraderie of the terraces and the fact that we were not paying an arm and a leg for the privilege. I have gradually become disillusioned with football and particularly Arsenal over the last few years (and we finish fourth). I'm wondering how the whole football fan thing in the premier league doesn't just collapse if the prices continue to be so high for what is now an inferior product and fans having little chance of seeing success. The championship (ie division 2 in old money) seems to have much more going for it with several teams having the chance of winning.

  57. BADARSE

    Nov 06, 2014, 16:43 #60818

    A really illuminating article Robert, thank you. Tony Evans your input is also worthy of attention. I genuinely believe that the 'change' of anything only really impacts those who have a foot in the past instance, and a foot being trodden on by the change being enacted. It's why the 'tourists', 'JCL's', and kids/child adults with phones cannot and will not ever comprehend what has been lost. We think it's wrapped up in a pile of bricks named Highbury, or we can reverse the trend by stamping our feet and shouting. All very dispiriting, but part of modern life now. That acceptance isn't an admission of surrender, just a recognition. I despise the big supermarkets, yet shop there, the polluting motor car, yet drive one, the irritating intrusion of a mobile phone and carry one.

  58. exiled&dangerous

    Nov 06, 2014, 16:33 #60816

    Interesting comments on the state of the game as a whole, beyond the Arsenal view. My Dad refused to sign professional forms TWICE with Walsall because it was in the days of the "retain and transfer" era - he could have been left in the stiffs or A-team for the rest of his career if his face didn't fit. Less than a decade on and he would have leapt at the chance. As for the Champions/Runners-Up/Also-Rans League it's lost its appeal for me until the last sixteen. With 53 UEFA Champions it wouldn't be easy to fit all of the champions into a group stage, but they could probably liven the thing up by re-jigging the number of qualifiers, have groups of three teams instead of four, and an extra play-off round between the group runners-up to decide who went into a last 16 (or even last 32). With a bit of leadership on Tuesday, we would have qualified with a third of the group stage still to play and that just leaves two dead-rubbers. Yawn.

  59. Gaz

    Nov 06, 2014, 15:58 #60813

    Yep, as usual I find myself sitting there quietly nodding in agreement with one of Tony Evan's posts...

  60. Red Member

    Nov 06, 2014, 15:35 #60811

    The popularity of the game in this country has continued in recent years because the most popular club ( Man United ) has continued winning. Now that Chelsea and City are going to endlessly dominate I wonder if that popularity will continue?

  61. Ron

    Nov 06, 2014, 14:50 #60806

    Tony speaks for me with his last post verbatim! He usually does!

  62. Tony Evans

    Nov 06, 2014, 14:17 #60802

    I would wager that a great many of us older posters on this site would never have acquired the football bug if we had been faced with the current football world of inflated prices, and the same small number of clubs dominating year after year. It's only the fact that it is in our blood that keeps us interested - although that interest for me is waning as each boring season follows the last. Good luck to the Saints and the Hammers this time around, and maybe, if they help keep Arsenal out of the top four, they might well do us a favour in the process if that spells the end of Wenger.

  63. CT Gooner

    Nov 06, 2014, 13:32 #60800

    @Chris, and ask the the fans in Tampa and St Louis how they love the system. No relegation means no penalty for not competing on the field, not even having to do enough to finish 4th. As for the cap, it seems to help the stars, but not the rest of the players. Many players are on league minimum which I think is around $6k a week, a lot of money, but very few Gunners are having to make do with that.

  64. Chris

    Nov 06, 2014, 12:33 #60791

    As regards to sports in America, you should give more input on how the NFL does make american football a sport without a team being able to dominate the league(s) year after year. In fact, looking at 20 years, you'll see Super Bowl winners which are diverse and often changing. Their salary cap system (and draft model) makes sure a balancing effect happens year after year and thus makes for a more open competition. As for revenue and popularity...my 2 pennies worth is that they are definitely NOT suffreing from the salary cap considering what we see and live every week-end from August to february