They’ve Arsenaled It Up Again!

Online Ed – Defeat at Swansea



They’ve Arsenaled It Up Again!

Gung-ho Gunners caught cold in build-up to Swansea equaliser


Arsenal go into the lead with excellent attacking play – check
Go gung ho chasing further goals as game is winding down – check
Makeshift centre-half done for strength when cross comes into the area – check
Manager uses word 'disappointing' a number of times in post-match interview - check

It’s becoming a little too familiar. The headline is taken from The Guardian’s live blog on the defeat at the Liberty Stadium, so credit where it is due for that. However, no credit to the team or the manager for managing to construe to give away three points from a winning position yesterday.

Swansea, similar to Anderlecht, were a passing side. The Gunners used to make light work of teams that tried to take them on at their own game. As on Tuesday night, they had a tricky left winger who tore Calum Chambers a new a-hole. Jeffersen Montero was too fast for the number 21, and a lot of Swansea’s attacks went through him. With pace an obvious difference between the two, and Hector Bellerin faster than Theo Walcott, might the Gunners have fared better with Monreal on the bench and Chambers partnering Mertesacker?

Not according to Arsene Wenger, who, aside from picking Flamini for the injured Arteta, fielded the same side that started v Anderlecht, presumably on the basis that they could put things right after the collapse on Tuesday. In fairness, they did start with a noticeably harder work ethic, with greater efforts to close the opposition down, especially in their own half. It is perhaps significant that the player who did this most before was schooled at Barcelona, including a first season under Pep Guardiola.

As the rain lashed down, it had that wet Wednesday in Wigan feel with the floodlights on and the players getting drenched. Most of the possession for the early part of the game was enjoyed by the home side, although credit for one thing to Wenger’s preparation – Sigurdsson, often the source of Swansea’s best moves in matches this season, was tightly marked. Chambers was fortunate not to conceded a penalty for pushing Montero in the back. Finally, as half-time neared, the Gunners fashioned a couple of decent chances, one of which Welbeck might have scored if he had chosen to place the ball the other side of Lukas Fabianski.

Finally, shortly after the hour, the breakthrough came with an excellent counter attack, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Welbeck and Alexis combining brilliantly. A hard fought lead which the team simply needed to protect. Other chances would come on the break and it would have been a good time to put Theo on for, say, Cazorla.

Chambers may have displayed inexperience at times, but when it came to disrupting Swansea momentum by lying prone on the floor with head injuries, he was very cute. However, such nous was far from evident in the build up to the equalizer, as Arsenal had two outfield players in their own half as Swansea broke. Gibbs had no choice but to make a cynical foul that led to a booking. Yet, by the time he made it, the free kick was in range and well converted by Sigurdsson.

Worse was to follow. Chambers, on a yellow card, allowed Montero to drift past him and get a cross in. Once again Nacho Monreal was done for strength as substitute Gomis easily converted a header. Monreal should not be playing where he is being asked to, a legacy of Wenger’s summer transfer window, compounded by the decision to leave a specialist right back on the bench.

It wasn’t so long ago – the run-in to the 2012-13 season to be precise – when results seemed to matter more. Arsenal played ten matches, won eight and drew two in a desperate, but ultimately successful, attempt to overhaul Spurs and make fourth spot. What has happened to that focus, that pragmatism, that will to – above anything else – win?

Interesting stat that I think I saw on Twitter – Arsenal have conceded six headed goals in the Premier League this season – only the bottom side, Burnley have let in more. Indefensible?

Once Wilshere and Walcott were introduced, Alexis played much deeper. Tactics or frustration? Either way, he was influencing play for the better, but could not do enough to get the required goal. Sanogo was brought on for injury time, whilst the scorer of many a late goal – Podolski – remained on the bench.

It has been suggested that a run of defeats would make Wenger call time on himself. Man Utd and Dortmund at home are followed by West Brom away and Southampton at home. On current form, you could certainly see Arsenal losing the first two, and who knows after that. But one thing is surely true. The Economist will not walk away from £20 million. Sadly, the board may feel they can’t afford to sack him, so I don’t see Wenger going anywhere soon, even though that is what the club desperately needs to happen. The irony is that the board can afford to sack him because of the unused transfer funds. The board pretend it’s £20 million, but in reality it is minimum £40 million and possibly more. The club could, with the knowledge of a new manager, recruit the two desperately needed bodies in January relatively cheaply just to get through the season and get more out of the current squad. These are not all bad players, they have just not been organized and coached as a team. If results are what are required, there may even be an argument to give Steve Bould the rest of the season.

Any time now, the board will meet to rubber stamp next summer’s price rises. The announcement will be delayed until the time is right and the team win a few matches. Although at the current rate, they might be forced to hang on until the middle of May.

Arsenal were winning these types of match last season. They’ve gone backwards since the early spring and those heavy defeats to Liverpool and Chelsea. The FA Cup win was down to fortune in the draw and even then, they came close to cocking it up.

Wenger in the post match interview – “It’s difficult to explain how we lost the game when we were in control.” Really? Anyone could tell you. The manager trusts his players to work it out for themselves, and is constantly disappointed. Should he be surprised? He has too many nice guys in the team. Mertesacker can see what’s wrong ahead of him, but won’t bawl anybody out to change it. Flamini will, but is let down by his own game, and leadership also needs to be done by example.

My only hope is that the club can recruit a decent manager before Alexis gets p***ed off and demands a move.

When Arsenal went 1-0 up, the first thing I did was put a in-play bet on at 3-1 on the result being a draw or home win. Such is my confidence in Arsenal 2014-15.

Incidentally, there is an excellent piece on the differences between Wenger and more tactical managers written by Matthew Whitehouse aka The Whitehouse Address. It can be read on his blog here.

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  1. Sean N5

    Nov 16, 2014, 23:40 #61456

    Don't slate Steve Bould. Wenger doesn't allow him to do anything, just as he did with Pat Rice. The assistant manager position is a joke under Wenger who is a complete dictator. I heard Bould has kids in private schools, so can't afford to make waves. I wouldn't mind Bould or Keown taking over as next manager, but no doubt the club go the continental route for the foreseeable.

  2. Pete

    Nov 11, 2014, 12:46 #61102

    go on the merse.Silly observation as spuds are crap at defending and going forward.They make one of the brightest upcoming managers look clueless,they are an utter disgrace of a club with no passion or guile.They are a journeyman's retirement home.

  3. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 11, 2014, 12:46 #61101

    Tony Evans, the rate for top top class must have went up since the world cup jungle jaunts, OGL won't like that it means he's going to have to splash out on King size fags now.

  4. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 11, 2014, 12:32 #61098

    Westie, there's only one header at the club.

  5. jjetplane

    Nov 11, 2014, 12:30 #61097

    WESTIE you old rip off! made that Giroud suggestion weeks ago as a laugh but let us go further and pair him with Welbeck. Those two may well do a better job than what is already (not) there. Do watch Sanchez as I think he is quite pally with JW which could be the first step towards football belligerence and then 'a trip to Vegas.' If anything of this nature were to befall him it would rank as one of the greater crimes. Is Ox injured again and do Arsenal really have a facility where they keep players in hibernation? Cannot get over that Sanchez tweet pic - it sums up the virtualism of this squad - and the bad ****ing hair! Check the goalie looking hard. Take a run sonny .....

  6. jeff wright

    Nov 11, 2014, 12:29 #61096

    I've just had me class of water Ron ! Hey Westie,the CB role is much underrated,ask United about if they would rather have Rio and Vidic than Smalling and co.Ask Wenger if he would prefer to have Campbell or TA instead of the BGF. We already know the answer though to this because Wenger provided it himself years ago when he dismissed the idea of signing Per because he didn't think he was good enough. Same scenario with Arteta in midfield ,Wenger dismissed him also when he was at his peak at Everton, as as not being good enough for us. Yet here we are with both players past their sell by dates stuck with them on big bucks and contracts that Wenger, the old master of illusion, gave to them. He could have signed Cahill but thought that 7m was too much to pay for him,brilliant judgement that considering that he paid more for the BGF .Then there was the Fabregas option with Wenger claiming that he did not take it up because we don't need him. I will let him off on this though because I suspect that Fabregas did not really want to come back to join Wenger's circus because he thought he had better chances of success with the Portugeezer , who however is someone that he has not got on with in the past ,but in football it's dog eat dog and it is hard to argue against that in deciding to join Chelsea he made, for himself, the right decision.

  7. Go on the Merse

    Nov 11, 2014, 12:19 #61090

    Pete - I would rather see Arsenal win dirty than see our team flood forward with no discipline and draw/lose. We are not Spurs.

  8. Tony Evans

    Nov 11, 2014, 12:12 #61089

    Bard - the Equatorial New Guinea deal for 2 new defenders is now in doubt as Wenger is not happy with the exchange rate being quoted. The Central African CFA Franc is strong at the moment and Wenger is keen to save a few quid on the deal as he suspects it to slide against the pound in the near future.

  9. Pete

    Nov 11, 2014, 12:05 #61088

    I can't see how changing the manager will help.Before you say what about Chelsea.I say if Chelsea had kept Mourinho the first time round they would probably have more than one title won in the last eight years to show.Also Wenger never believes in all that diving,gamesmanship,parking the bus and hoofing that the other clubs do so you have to expect a few less honours when things are done the classy way.

  10. Go on the Merse

    Nov 11, 2014, 11:36 #61087

    My mate who is a supporter of another club so therefore an outsider looking in blames Arsenal fans for Wenger continuing his farcical reign. Weng won't walk, the board love him to bits, and Weng has gone on record as saying that if the fans were to revolt on a large scale he would step down. But we don't revolt on a large scale do we? maybe behind our keyboards but Wenger aint reading this. I know it's not ideal and not what you want to see as a Gooner but chanting for his head or action at games is the only way as I see it. It's not his club - I don't think he realizes this.

  11. Ron

    Nov 11, 2014, 11:12 #61086

    Westie - ive long suspected youre Arsene Wenger mate, now youve confirmed it. The sad thing is that your Giroud notion is probably a better or at least as safe as yr Smalling one. Its an interesting 1950s retro take on Centre Back play though which im sure informed yr purchases of Senderos, Stepanovs Cygan and Co. WhatS that noise i hear? Oh,its Jeff spluttering and choking at yr idea.Fetch him a glass of water some body.

  12. Pete

    Nov 11, 2014, 10:37 #61085

    Apart from Dortmund away I think we have been pretty much in control of most of the games we've played.Could still be a very good season in the Champions league and FAC with probably 2nd or 3rd in Premiership.

  13. Bard

    Nov 11, 2014, 9:16 #61084

    Westie thats a cracker mate, my informants tell me that Gorgeous Giroud shaves his arse, so that counts him out. They also tell me that the board have hatched an ingenious plan for January. They have arranged a beach football tournament in South America and are sending the boss out to play in it for the whole of Jan, Ivan can then get on with signing players. I understand, these are only rumours, that Wengers Jan list includes 2 defenders currently playing in Equatorial New Guinea both less than 5 feet tall, but apparently they can also play in midfield. Ivan thinks this is beyond the pale and Stan doesnt know where New Guinea is but wonders whether he can get a job lot of afro toupees thrown in for Xmas. You couldnt make it up. Baddie you can come out now its Tuesday ?????

  14. Hi Berry

    Nov 11, 2014, 9:15 #61083

    Let's get a little perspective on here men - you are all falling into the trap of thinking that the club is interested in winning something. I would have thought that most of you would have realised by now that Wenger's main aim is the glittering prize of outlasting Ferguson's 26/27 years, come what may. Only the best part of another decade to go.

  15. Charlie George Orwell

    Nov 11, 2014, 8:47 #61082

    Westlower: So what's needed is yet another player to be placed totally out of position while we hunt for a younger and illiterate Willy Young?

  16. Croker

    Nov 11, 2014, 8:45 #61081

    Le Boss' comment that Chelsea are too far ahead now will hardly sweeten any rise in ticket prices. Season after season we are a few players and tactically short of challenging for honours. Everything I admire about Wenger is in the past.

  17. Westlower

    Nov 11, 2014, 7:55 #61080

    Simple solution to rectify the vacant CB slot until Kos returns. Giroud is available again so use him as an emergency CB. He's the best header at the club (wins most headers from set pieces), bulky (has a reputation for being a big boy) & providing he's got a hairy arse he has all the qualities you need to be a good CB. Let's face it you don't have to be a skilful footballer to be a centre half, most of them can't read or write. It used to happen in the days before subs were introduced. Centre halves used to play as centre forwards & I remember Geoff Strong & Mel Charles filling in at centre half when needed. Didn't John Radford once play as an emergency goal keeper? McLintock wasn't born to be a centre half but turned out to be one of the best we ever had.

  18. Bard

    Nov 11, 2014, 7:32 #61079

    Ron I used to feel sympathy. I recognize and value all the good things he has done done for the club for which he has been handsomely rewarded but for many years he has been treading water. Thats not good enough for me, at least not for the prices they charge. Barring a miracle my view is that he will be gone by Jan 2016 at the latest. This season has gone and it is unlikely that much can be done in the Jan window. The frustrations will increase and we are more than likely to see a few more capitulations before the end of the season. You could argue that he has lost the players already either that or they have all had a pre frontal lobotomy.

  19. Moscow Gooner

    Nov 11, 2014, 5:46 #61078

    Westlower - finally! More rejoicing in heaven etc etc. Very good post: the tide has turned. We have to hope that a patch of good results and crawling into 4th place on the last day of the season due to a Utd/Liverpool (take your pick) implosion won't be used to justify another season or two of this crap.

  20. DW Thomas

    Nov 11, 2014, 1:27 #61077

    Ron. What little final faith I had in the man has finally and totally eroded to nothing. Now I just want a complete overhaul. I still appreciate what he once did here, but now even that is tainted. He is given total control and it has gone to his head putting it mildly. He does exactly what the clueless board want...profits. His arrogance and know it all nonsense just makes him look a right arse. He has no more trophies left in him. If it weren't for his total bs comments I would still say he's an ok chap. But, he seems like a fallen dictator who still thinks everyone loves him. His power is there, but people are leaving his side, more every day. Just his diehards like Westie and Jamie, who are blind to any sense concerning him. I want more and this club and its fans deserve it. We have been on the brink of greatness for some time now. He is holding us back.

  21. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 10, 2014, 23:34 #61076

    Hiccup, but they've left the lights on a timer, it comes on every hour for ten minutes to deter burglars apparently one took a chance anyway and all he found was weird writing on the walls with instructions how to chant, and this old statue of wenger in the corner.

  22. Jason B

    Nov 10, 2014, 23:28 #61075

    Completely agree with what BFG said to the press after the game. We cannot go on like this. No point in defending as a team for just 60 minutes. We have to learn to defend for the full ninety as a team.Embarrassing to say the least. We've had this problem for a few seasons now. As Wenger and Bould can't seem to see this then they need to get back to basics or quit.

  23. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 10, 2014, 22:55 #61074

    Ron, I don't think there's one of us who can deny we loved wenger and thought he was the man as a manager and that's very important to remember in all of this. We'll always respect him for what he did for us and this/our club during his first nine, ten, years even this animated critic of his now. And as far as this critic is concerned (and I know a hell of a lot more who think the same)that nine ten years has been tarnished beyond repair and there's no need to go into why, it's been going on for far far to long now for anything to change, how anyone can still think it will, and is going to is beyond belief, I am in no doubt even some of the most staunched AKB's know it, maybe it's a guilt thing with them they feel their letting him down or something but like I've already said he's just the manager. But I can honestly say I have no pangs of guilt at all in the criticism because like you know and say, like myself and all the others know he's past it and a broken coach, and for this great club of ours that we love even more than the current manager(well most of us anyway) to move on to bigger and better things big changes are needed and the first change has to be wenger he has to go.

  24. Unchives

    Nov 10, 2014, 22:48 #61073

    Why on heavens name do some of the so called AKB think we are not protecting the manager...the poor guy is in his sixties, he just cant do it anymore, he is killing the club and himself, I feel pity for him as he is a great man, but he is shot.....Let go Arsene, for all our sakes!

  25. Peter Mountford

    Nov 10, 2014, 22:37 #61071

    Hi 1971 gooner. I would say just about any coach he knows how to deal with the phase of the game without the ball, I still rate Klopp (hearing one of these people poor scorn on him, because dortmund have been on a bad run is laughable) and i'd also take slaven Billic

  26. jeff wright

    Nov 10, 2014, 22:33 #61070

    Pete, if "95% of football fans are not fans at all just weirdos" how can they be football fans and not football fans? Make your mind up. If these weirdos are not football fans then it must mathematically mean that 100% are real ones and not 5%. All nonsensical of course so lets just stick to getting on with Arsene winning the European Cup. Milliband has more chance of winning the next election then that happening. Just being realistic like ,try it sometime you might get to like it !

  27. Pete

    Nov 10, 2014, 22:15 #61069

    Most people on here are only happy when the Gunners lose,so they can then drown themselves in a vat of negativity.It's the only way they can function in life,truth is probably 95% of football fans aren't fans at all just weirdos.

  28. jeff wright

    Nov 10, 2014, 22:01 #61068

    Pete's gone to Iceland.

  29. Hiccup

    Nov 10, 2014, 21:43 #61067

    AKB HQ well and truly vacated now. Just the odd piece of spam filtering through on auto-send from user name Pete.

  30. Hiccup

    Nov 10, 2014, 21:31 #61066

    1971 gunner. Seeing as you've cancelled out some suitable options because you say they wouldn't come here, then by the same token, why bother asking the question who do we want seeing as wenger ain't going away either? Answers in this comments section please, no postcards necessary.

  31. 80's Gooner

    Nov 10, 2014, 21:15 #61065

    Well we always used to able to close out games. Remember when we used to bring on the likes of Grimandi & Edu in order to protect a lead or Cygan to throw it away. Just as we would bring Kanu & Wiltord if we wanted a goal & bring them on with enough time left to get one. To say Wenger is tactically has always been tactically inept is a bit unfair but it is fair to say that he has become tactically impotent over the last 6 six seasons or so. This season is over, forget about it. We may put a bit of a run together after Christmas that will put us in the top 3 but that's the best we could hope for. Wenger ain't going nowhere & if he did I would not trust this board to replace him adequately. If he were to walk, in the short term I would go for Capello who would sort the defence out & command the respect of the senior players. Long term, Klopp or Pep. But we know that's not going to happen. However we could offer saints 45 million in Jan for Schneiderlin & Clyne.

  32. 1971 Gooner

    Nov 10, 2014, 20:40 #61064

    So, those of you who want Wenger out (and I am not an AKB by the way), who would you suggest to replace him? Forget Pep as he's not likely to leave Bayern for us just yet, if ever. Ancelotti wouldn't swap Madrid for us. Moyes is still available. Answers on a post(card) please.

  33. John F

    Nov 10, 2014, 20:20 #61063

    Summed up nicely Ron exactly how I feel.I read today that Fergie had written in his book on how to beat Arsenal by winning the ball in midfield and hitting us on a counter attack while our defenders are pushed up. I wonder if every manager bar Wenger has read that chapter.Sums it up really how to beat Arsenal is now in print yet he still does not change his one and only tactic. Keep it up Westlower I like to read opposing views. William hills score and win is a good bet involving Arsenal games.

  34. jeff wright

    Nov 10, 2014, 20:07 #61062

    Ron, I got past that point of nostalgic sympathy for Wenger due to his past exploits at Highbury years ago .Tbh,I never liked personally even when he was doing a good job ,albeit not as good as he should have some seasons with the players that he had even then he could be annoying with his decisions and duplicity. The Almunia nonsense did it for me with him the stupidly of that still annoys me even now, along with him playing the kids in the League Cup final v Chelsea. Dogmatic idealism gone mad with his youth project meant that he missed his best chance to beat the mouthy one. He had Gallas and RVP on the bench but chose to play with the French clown Alidiare ( sic) or whatever is name is instead of RVP and used the accident prone hapless Senderos instead of Gallas in defence against Drogba. You couldn't make it up.Any manager who does this sort of egotistical nonsense loses forfeits any claims to sympathy as far as I am concerned . Wally put us ahead with a good goal as you will recall early doors ,but surprise surprise, we couldn't defend the ,lead. Diaby made his own only useful contribution in the game by kicking Terry in the head and getting him carried off to hospital,he of course injured himself doing it though! The Diaby/Wenger mystery is on a par with that of the shroud of Turin it will be pondered over by scholars for ever . Pete and Westie believe Wenger though when he says that when he returns Diaby will be like signing a new player . Then again Pete believes in Santa Claus . He even sends letters to Lapland telling him what he wants for Xmas! Dear Santa ,can I have an Arsene Wenger Puffa Jacket please I want to be nice and warm like Arsene is when it is cold . The only problem is I don't have a chimney that you can come down and I am always out doing community service for breaking ASBO orders,so can you leave it next door at no 3 please.Thanks in advance.Pete.

  35. jjetplane

    Nov 10, 2014, 19:49 #61061

    See what you are saying RON but with all that money sloshing around over the last decade and only a scrapped for FA Cup to show for it, all I see is wasted years and a somewhat shallow executive type fronting a football club. As smarmy as any career politician or banker and if I think Wenger Years (98-2004) then it is only the imperious nature of some of those players I see. The real Caesar was Tony Adams and thinking of FA cups it was Parlour against Chelsea that was the real deal. I agree it gets ugly and leaves a bad taste but it really comes to something when you have so many fans falling out of love with a top club. Bewildering and perversely pathetic. Most of all - avoidable. Get that PANG sometime that maybe us WOBs have created a monster that wants the manager's head 'on a stick.' In these modern times it will be a somewhat banal departure because football sure ain't what it used to be. Anybody see that pic tweet Sanchez sent out before the match. Wonder who taught him to be a cocky idiot. It does not take long.

  36. HowardL

    Nov 10, 2014, 19:16 #61060

    Yes Ron - me too

  37. jjetplane

    Nov 10, 2014, 19:06 #61059

    Sad to say but like he could not find the right stairs to walk up at the FA dogfight with Hull, he now cannot find an exit door at the Emirates. 'Excuse me Mr High Visibility - which way is out?'....... 'Right with you boss - let me just pick your COAT up for you.' ...... 'That was bloody easy Alisher' .... (Translated).

  38. Ron

    Nov 10, 2014, 18:59 #61058

    Hi Jason - i think yr post touches upon a very poignant aspect of the Wenger debate and one which i deeply feel that even the most animated of our critcs of him would find it hard to deny. One which the so called AKB s dont appreciate exists in the Wenger critics and more importantly for them, their own loyalty and perceived ties to him are not helping them. Its this, try this one for size guys. Those of us wanting him out, however strongly we feel and however deeply persuaded we are that the time is right for the parting of the ways, we still feel it a bit in our guts, deep, deep down in our guts, that we are being unkind, closed minded and uncharitable. That perhaps we might be 'wrong', that maybe with better resources or club organisational changes and so on that he still could come good, that perhaps the next glory epoch is around the corner and that Wenger hasnt lost his mojo, that the game hasnt left him behind and that his ways are the wise ways and that ours aren't lucid, clear and well directed? I say this after first declaring to friends of mine at OT in August 11 that he should have resigned after that game. My mind to that end hasnt wavered since. Ive wanted him gone since that awful afternoon without rancour and without bad feelings allowed to build up on him and bury him. Even now as i make the case for change in my own probably fragmented and yes, perhaps over stated way i feel slightly unhappy doing it, though i know its the right thing and i feel he knows too. I get this feeling as once i loved the guy. Thought he was revolutionary and genuine and far seeing and borderline omnicompetent, i even thought his 'project youth'was going to bear fruit and backed it and really thought 'Arsene knows'. Now, hes a broken Coach and i know his time has passed as it does for all of them. I truly wished it could have been different but this is the Club who i was brainwashed into loving in or about 1963 and first smelled the Highbury grass in 69. I know Wenger cant be allowed to drag us into a no mans land mire ..... yet still the feeling is there a bit, a guilt thing if you like. I want him gone and hes missed so may perfect times to say good bye and spurned them. It should never have come to this should it. These feelings are a reflection of what he was, i know that. We ll maybe never see another Coach in that job who will ever create such difficult and contradictory feelings. Its a massive shame i reckon but the Clubs needs must. Anybody else have these pangs?

  39. Carlos

    Nov 10, 2014, 18:59 #61057

    Wining by a solitary goal away from home with 15 minutes left and getting caught out on the counter attack by the home team. Unbelievable.

  40. Pete

    Nov 10, 2014, 18:54 #61056

    After reading the posts I would say it's easy to be wise after the event.

  41. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 10, 2014, 18:52 #61055

    Jason, nice thought and it could work, but what happens if with all this new found support while not changing a bit OGL wins or flukes the FA Cup again (I know don't laugh) and old mr arrogance decides to stay on and/or sign on again.

  42. Bard

    Nov 10, 2014, 18:48 #61054

    Eddie nice idea but 30000 of those arent Arsenal fans, they are football tourists mate. I doubt if most of them know who the manager is. The only way for Wenger to go is if the booing and chanting at the ground gets hostile. He has shown he can't take criticism and I suspect if it was bad enough he might resign. Many on here including me hoped he would leave at the end of last season with his head held high. I have posted before, it looks like a bloody ending, dictatorships always finish the same way, their narcissism and delusion guarantees it.

  43. au revoir wenger

    Nov 10, 2014, 18:38 #61053

    Arsenal fans fighting among themselves again yesterday Wenger remains a divisive figure at our club

  44. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 10, 2014, 18:24 #61052

    Ron, myself and a mate were driving past a shop the other day with a sign out side, for sale, Black coal, (only in lreland) my mate quipped well it's hardly going to be bloody white. There was smaller writing under it which probably referred to it been better burning or longer lasting or something like that, my point is if their Messiah came out and told them it was White the AKB's would believe him.

  45. Jason

    Nov 10, 2014, 18:16 #61051

    I think it has gone way past the point on debating whether Wenger should go or not. I could try and explain my reasons for wanting him to leave, but it's so obviously staring everybody in the face that there really is no need. I honestly can't see why there are still some Arsenal fans that that still believe in Wenger, I assume they still believe in Fairies and Father Christmas. However, I will never forget the glory years and his dedication, and I would hate to see him hounded out of the club. Arsenal now has a terrible internal war going between the fans, and whatever your views are on Wenger, this simply cannot go on. I would love to see Wenger come out now and say that this will be his last season. That way the clubs fans can unite again, get firmly behind the team, and give him as much support as we can until the end of the season. That way Wenger can leave with a bit of dignity. That much he does deserve!!!

  46. Eddie

    Nov 10, 2014, 18:09 #61050

    Question to the 40.000 ST holders.If Wenger is not sacked at the end of the season(he will never resign) will you renew? If you do you are giving Wenger a vote of confidence because Wenger is in the job not because he wins trophies but because he makes profits.The only way to get change at Arsenal is by hitting Kroenke in the pocket.But by continuing to renew ST's you are saying carry on and dont change a thing and that means more Wenger

  47. Alsace

    Nov 10, 2014, 18:03 #61049

    The lights are growing dim now for Mr Wenger. I wonder what the tapeworms, I mean AKB's will do when he is gone? But tapeworm is the wrong description, because although they live up his metaphorical tract it is he that sucks the (brain) life out of them and everything else. The defensive malaise is directly attributable not only to the suicidal high line we play but also to his refusal to buy defence in the summer. It is rare to have his omissions lead to consequences so quickly. The Fabregas decision is going to win the League for Chelsea, and we will be 30 points behind them. He can't even put Chambers in the Centre of defence and Nacho at full back. Why? because Chambers is better going forward. The more we lose the more obstinate he will become. I wonder if we will get our self respect as a club back in my lifetime?

  48. Roy

    Nov 10, 2014, 18:02 #61048

    Spot on Finsbury Boy. We all know BFG has his limitations, but even him with all his experience, cannot have witnessed anything like this before. We are playing with only 2 defenders with any experience and in their preferred position, one of which - BFG - needs a bit of protection in front of him ( something else we don't currently have ), and the other - Gibbs - who has a lousy injury record himself and is not as good as he's made out to be. I actually felt sorry for Monreal and Chambers yesterday. Wenger has been unlucky to lose Debuchy and Kos, but he had the chance to give himself an extra defensive option in the summer when Vermaelen left, and he passed it up. You would have thought that this situation called for some pragmatism, but since this man doesn't do plan B let alone C, he'll just stumble blindly on because he knows that when everyone returns, we'll probably have just enough to pinch 4th place which is of course the height of the clubs ambitions. I first got the feeling that certain players maybe weren't performing at their optimum for this manager during the drubbing at Everton last season, and the obvious lack of leadership is now rearing it's ugly head on a more regular basis and the board are just ignoring it. I hope Wenger loses the dressing room because that's the only way we are going to get change as the stadium is no longer populated by enough real fans to do it by fan power. Another 2 and a half years of this and players the quality of Sanchez will be a distant memory. Lightweight and no passion. No, you couldn't make it up.

  49. Pete

    Nov 10, 2014, 18:02 #61047

    Time to concentrate on lifting the champions league,league looks gone now.

  50. jeff wright

    Nov 10, 2014, 17:54 #61046

    In reality Wenger has been in decline since 2004. That season was the pinnacle of his upward curve of success. Since then he has flattered to deceive in the Prem and once in the European Cup when he reached the final - only to lose due to his own tactical shortcomings and squad building plus prudent money saving decisions . A better GK than Almunia would have saved those two Barcelona goals that he let in so Arsene's one big chance of glory on the European stage slipped past him . After the move to the new stadium that was suppossed to have improved our abilities to wage war on the other top clubs Wenger has never finished higher than third in the Prem and also has failed to make any significant progress in Europe since that final in Paris. A city where he now known more for his extra curricular activities with a young waitress than for footballing reasons. The French TV public tired of his banal comments on les bleus games and demanded a younger more tactically aware pundit should replace him .The TV company agreed with them. So with the master of illusion sussed out now by everyone he can't perpetrate his usual 'we are in contention for the title act ' that has fooled so many gulible people with for donkeys years. Wenger was still at it last Friday ludicrously claiming that we were still in the title race - but had to own up on Sunday that we were out of it after just 11 games played. 4 W. 5D. 2L. Last season after 10 played we were unlikely favourites with the bookies to win the title , my how times change if a week is a long time in football then a year must be an eternity. The 11th game last term was also a defeat like yesterdays in a match we were supposed to win it was against Moyes struggling United and we lost 1-0 with,er,Van Pursestrings the self claimed gunner for life scoring the winner and celebrating doing it for good measure. You couldn't make it up. That defeat though suggested that our title tilt was just another Wenger illusion,in fact Wenger has never won a title in a season in which he lost at Old Trafford. Wenger's gone from being a regular top 2 contender in the pecking order to that of a 3rd or mainly 4th place one with domestic cup runs now required to help divert attention from this fact. The victory parade last season was proof of this,previously 9 years earlier Wenger had not deemed the FAC win against United worthy of a parade . He was still in Dreamland then however after the unbeaten season and convinced that better things than the FAC lay ahead for him. Sadly it was not to be and at 65 and looking older than his time Arsene should see this season out and then bow out . I suspect though that only finishing outside of his holy grail tournament will bring him to fall on his sword.

  51. Minimum 2 years 7 months more of this rubbish, and then he only moves upstairs.

    Nov 10, 2014, 17:45 #61045

    There is no appetite for change amongst our match going support. Yesterday I heard virtually no criticism of Wenger and it's been the same at the occasional home games I've attended, the fans in the ground are really not bothered whether we win or lose as long as Inspector Clueless is in charge. The malaise has gone on for so long virtually all dissenters have stopped going to games because they can't bear the thought of paying the man's wages any longer. It's really not worth getting angry, he's won we've lost and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

  52. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 10, 2014, 17:19 #61044

    GunnerPete, don't walk away, like a hell of a lot of us you were here before this useless old fraud ever came about the place where ever he came from, and we'll all still be here when he pisses off in to the sunset and becomes a distant (bad) memory, and that time is getting close, closer than it's been for a long long time and it can't come quick enough.

  53. Cornish Gooner

    Nov 10, 2014, 17:15 #61043

    Easy solution to this endless torment - just send Stanley a photo of AW at the conclusion of the match with the comment "do you want to look like this at 65?" together with a recording of his post match gibberish. The Club then issues press release stating that OGL has had to resign due to significant health issues resulting from a debilitating virus he picked up (through those speedos maybe?) on a Brazilian beach last summer. Messrs Bould and Keown appointed to assume command until end of season to ensure the usual trophy is won. For god's sake my wife, who is nothing if not honest, thinks that I scrub up better than the old french nutter. No country for that old man. "misterchubbs" age 74 &3/4

  54. goonergoescarpfishing

    Nov 10, 2014, 17:13 #61042

    yer man wenger clearly does not have the class to do the right thing and admit he is the problem and either resign now or say this will be my last season so all i can say to the unhappy fans myself included and show thier feelings by creating as many wenger out banners as possible and and instead of booing the players after all as much as you may critisise players decision making at times the blme largely falls down to the manager after all he was happy to take the plaudits when we were winning titles .WENGER OUT

  55. jim

    Nov 10, 2014, 16:46 #61041

    Agree with most parts although the fa cup draw was hardly a kind one and sacking a manager mid season isn't always the best solution.

  56. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 10, 2014, 16:10 #61040

    A & F, I couldn't agree more I've been saying it for years and I've said it again in response to a couple of lads on another thread over the page, so wont go to the bother on this one, it's the only only way we're going to get change and hopefully rid.

  57. Finsbury Boy

    Nov 10, 2014, 16:09 #61039

    Like most comments here as soon as we scored I was waiting for the cock up to come. Same old excuses but nothing changes. We as usual have had loads of injuries but our defence was woefully light to start with and only one person can be blamed for that. Why was Jenkinson allowed out on loan, maybe someone more knowledegable than me can tell me if we are allowed to get him back early from loan. Arsenal have never done it in previous seasons maybe its the rules? I made the point a few games ago about Chambers playing centre back and Bellerin right back but the mistakes are just repeated et al. I actually feel sorry for Mertsacker we all know he is not the quickest but bearing mind he has Monreal alongside him and two full backs who think they are strikers he is virtually trying to defend on his own.Even on a good day Gibbs is only an average full back and Sunday was not a good day. Someone mentioned the Ox as having a good game, I agree he at least tries to attack and be direct but he often gives the ball away and offerred no help to Chambers at all. Cazorla is way off form but Rosicky seems to be out of favour now and as for Sanogo instead of Podolski its mind nunbing.However with the subs being left so late it probably made no difference. Also what is it with this club and injured players. As well as our perrenial waste of space Diaby we now but injured players i.e. Karlstromm and Ospina. I know its not a subject to joke about but I seriously start to wonder about dementia setting in with Wenger, the man does seem increasingly stressed in interviews maybe the reality is starting to set in that he has lost it. Its starting to echo Cloughies last few seasons at Forest.

  58. jjetplane

    Nov 10, 2014, 15:44 #61037

    Klopp is back in league business thanks to the opposition gifting him a 50 yard own goal! Make that up! Can Arsenal beat that by scoring the first own goal after doing a 30 pass movement that ends up in our net! Who will save Calum from football death? Will Jenks and Flappy win awards? Will Wenger go back to the rainforest,held aloft by Arteta and the water carrier? So much too ponder as we welcome LVG, Koeman and Klopp into our quite indefensible world. I was thinking and saying all this in 2006. My, that was a long ten years of someone earning a pretty penny but I think the penny has dropped this week. No quarter. We are now in a toxic zone and only robots will be able to work safely at the Colney (sic) where one man has lain for a thousand years. I confess - had to take some meds for a condition. Post-Highburyitis.

  59. Gaz

    Nov 10, 2014, 15:33 #61036

    Its just so fecking boring now isn't it? I don't feel happy after a win and I dont feel unhappy after a defeat. Neither will lead to something better or worse so whats the point getting annoyed about it. In all honesty the Wenger years 2009-2014 have sucked all the enjoyment out of supporting Arsenal for me and I know it won't change until he's gone...

  60. Gare K

    Nov 10, 2014, 14:40 #61035

    Not been here for a while & I see nothing has changed with regards to Wenger. To say the manner of which we lost is disappointing is an understatement. Like many, I do feel a change of management is badly needed but we all know it won’t happen because of the spineless & weak board that are running the club. It’s a shame it ‘s come to this with Wenger but such is life. I do accept however that the better managers at this time are not available and weren’t available last summer either. Wenger’s successor should be A-List. When the time comes, the club should aim for the crème de la crème. Ancelotti or Guardiola for me. Martinez? Wenger lite in my view. Klopp & Simeone wouldn’t be bad choices either. The argument in the past from the Wenger fans was ‘give him more money and we will win again’. Well he’s had more money and he’s still a busted flush. If you were to believe the Wenger fans also, FFP was meant to kill off Chelsea but as many had predicted a long time they & others have found ways to get around the regulations. Chelsea probably deserve a free pass to FFP after selling David Luiz to PSG for £50m. And they say Wenger is a genius for selling players for huge profits. Is Romelu Lukaku really worth £28m also? Whatever happened to ‘points per spend’? I always thought that was pathetic. Can I also remind everyone of something I said sometime ago; FFP does not come with an instruction manual of how to defend. And boy have I been proved right on that. Having said all of this, I predict we will finish inside top four again this season. I am sure of it. It will happen. But it won’t prove we have a great team in the making. Up The Arsenal!

  61. johnnyhawleyloovinggooner

    Nov 10, 2014, 14:39 #61034

    we are like a boxer with a cut eye in the first round working the ropes until the cut heals, hoping he will not get hit hard on the eye again or in our case hoping for the January transfer window. We will get hit in the eye again but will the trainer(board) have the courage or knowledge to throw in the towel and save us from this sad situ? that said I can not think of a manager suitable enough who would be willing to come .I cannot see low et all wanting to change jobs just at the moment. And if it did come it would be very hard to see AW sacked.

  62. KC

    Nov 10, 2014, 14:35 #61033

    Its the arrogance of not listening to anyone, the crying when hearing criticism even though the criticism is just highlighting what is actually happening. The same mistakes, the same squad weaknesses, the lack of discipline within the team. I go to the home games but its becoming so predictable that I am putting more tickets on ticket exchange. How can any sane manager watch the same weaknesses week in week out and not act? All those goals conceded last season when we were humiliated and yet not addressed. With a proper base we could be a very good team but our manager obviously does not believe in a solid base. Room behind the full backs at every game, slow defensive players, attacking at will when winning. The man has become deluded, total power corrupts absolutely, its a slow football death we are watching, so painful.

  63. Pete

    Nov 10, 2014, 14:29 #61032

    Same old knee jerk reactions going on after a rare defeat,we have to look at the bigger picture.

  64. jeff wright

    Nov 10, 2014, 14:24 #61031

    Red Member,lee kfc,th14, Denis, you keep changing your name but the posts are all the same Wenger defending nonsense ...so then uber fan why can't someone say that Wenger will never win anything again >? What has last season's fortunate win, after 9 trophyless years of the FAC by stuttering Arsene got to do with it >? WillWenger get another 9 years to win a domestic cup again ? Pellegrini won the Prem and the League Cup last season ,some City supporters think that he will not win anything with them again . They could be right. By the way the community shield is not a proper trophy it's just a shield presented to the winner ,or even previously to both sides if the game ends in a draw ,it's just a game played for charity,the so called community shield is actual the old charity shield renamed for PC reasons the community shield. It's better known now though as being the David Moyes Trophy that he won in his brief stint at United before getting fired . The community shield is played pre-season by the two clubs that won the League and FAC - a sort of in-between add on from the previous season - a Mickey Mouse trophy that only self proclaimed supposed Uber supporters like yourself would desperately use to try and justify Wenger's credibility. Wenger has never defended any trophy the following season so I won't be putting any of my cash on him doing so this time .You couldn't make it up.

  65. Pete

    Nov 10, 2014, 14:17 #61030

    Stop panicking everything will be fine.

  66. tippytappynevershooty

    Nov 10, 2014, 14:05 #61029

    Stop slating Bould he is a legend. Wenger is a complete blinkered control freak and he has created every molecule of this shapeless insipid culture of failure. Players coming out of Bouldy's youth set up were full of fire and intent, traits which predictably vanished once Wenger had 'coached' them in the tippytappy happyclappy Wengerball fantasy. Same thing will happen to all our new signings, either that or he will run them into the ground. The man has to go he is clueless.

  67. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 10, 2014, 13:49 #61027

    No credit whatsoever to this team or TGL ( I haven't read the posts yet but no doubt it will come from some ) and when was the last time this old has been really deserved any, (they're few and far between) if and when something good happens on the pitch like a win I certainly wouldn't put it down to him more like common sense among the players but that is basically non existent as well as what they've had has been coached out of them. It all works well with teams who roll over and let themselves be tickled by OGL and his dwarfs and even those are becoming few and far between, because as we all know every manager and team has worked this old has been of a manager we have out a long long time ago.

  68. We've-Lost-Our-Strength-Now-We're-Just-Mental

    Nov 10, 2014, 13:48 #61026

    Same old same old. Chambers is a centre-back, so let's play him at right-back. Monreal is a right-back, so let's play him centre-back. Let's defend with two players against their six. They score - how on earth did that happen? Lucky free kick. Lucky header. The wrong kind of rain (Welsh rain is very wet). No change in tactics but total shock that there was no change in performance. A manager who does his post-match interview in the manner of a schoolboy who has had his sweets nicked. A TOTAL DISGRACE FROM TOP TO BOTTOM. If he values his career, Sanchez needs to get out in January. £8 million a year. Nice work if you can get it. Maybe the club should give every supporter who went to Swansea (and got soaked by the wrong kind of rain) their money back. My ticket never got out of the top drawer at home. Why waste 70 quid on petrol? I'd rather watch the Muppet Show. Now, maybe that's what I was watching....

  69. Red Member

    Nov 10, 2014, 13:47 #61025

    Peter Wain - you can't say that we will never win anything under Wenger again. He has already won the Community Shield this season and the FA Cup the last

  70. Ron

    Nov 10, 2014, 13:45 #61024

    Was the Diaby gamble a 'gamble' at all though Peter?A gamble connotes a possibility. His return never was close to one. It wasn't trumpeted loudly that the Club were banking on his return. Wenger just allowed fans to think it via the odd comment surely? Youre totally right. It was never going to happen, but the Diaby question is and always has been a great reason not to buy in a player. Wenger feeds the myth, the Board on their own admission don't challenge him, more blindly accept his version of events. What does the medical room do when Wenger asks for the low down on the matter? They probably tell him what they think he wanst to hear, sort of 'yes, boss, we re really on it, really think we ve got it under control now, the boys looking great boss' etc etc etc . Theyre not going to rock the boat of the man who is the master of all that he surveys are they? Theyre not going to risk their own positions either.Best keep stum and roll with the dice and hope. The fans swallow the myth, yet know its a myth.Best for them to just ignore the myth and mumble. To challenge it isnt in the repertoire of Wengers followers dont forget, so they hope and pray its true and still have the beenfit of being able to say 'oh we ve so missed Diaby' etc. Look at Westie (above) doing it. Its in the nature of the mind control that Wenger has on most of the fans and all of the Club im sure. Most sane fans laugh at the Diaby isue and have been doing for years. It was never a gamble mate, just an illusion, peddled by the arch illusionist.

  71. jide

    Nov 10, 2014, 13:37 #61023

    To think the boys would hve learnt their lessons in the match against anderlecht? It just hurts to see how badly arsenal performs every season. cazorla,ramsey r hvn a terrible season so fr but we still find them in the starting xi.

  72. Peter Wain

    Nov 10, 2014, 13:18 #61022

    How is it frustrating the gamble on Diaby. It does not take a genius to know the chances of Diaby playing 10 games in a season was as remote as Nessie being found alive and well. We should have bought two defensive midfield players years ago. They must be 6ft plus so that they are good in the air. Why Cazorla was picked yesterday confound me. Away from the Emirates he does absolutely nothing for the team. As for the tactics why oh why was Chambers not given some protection. It was only a matter of time before we lost a goal to a Montero cross but no change in either players or formation. As far as I am concerned until the ownership board Gazidis and Wenger are gone we will not win anything.

  73. Ultravox

    Nov 10, 2014, 13:11 #61021

    The club is undermining the players ability through utter mismanagement. However some of the players look like 'spandau ballet' with their barnets shorn and them 'peck enhancing' puma kits. How many times a week are they going to the hairdresser instead of going to Hull on a day trip for a stale pie.

  74. Ron

    Nov 10, 2014, 13:09 #61020

    Jeff - AFCs decline isnt so much about football, tactics and abilities etc mate, its about in house politics, personalities, power struggles, agendas, favouritism, cliques, greed, business, corporatism,nepotism, beytrayal and you can name whatever else. Football is just the business theyre in. The place is rotten to the core and needs purging of the whole job lot of them, Wenger, most of the Board and a large majority of the players. A new Coach, however talented will struggle there. The Clubs culture is so deeply imbued now.Ive thought a little more of the prospect of Wenger remaining in some level upstairs. I've previously never raised an issue with it in principle but on reflection, for him to stay would be for the Club to make an apparent change of its its face, yet retain the same shape, culture and modus operandi by stealth.

  75. kilkenny cat

    Nov 10, 2014, 13:07 #61019

    Really nothing new to add. This is an average team,useless coaching staff and a non existent board.Total shambles and we are close to total meltdown. Like some have said we are in limbo. Wenger will never go and will never be sacked. It is time to take to the streets. Enough is enough.

  76. Ron

    Nov 10, 2014, 12:49 #61018

    Bard - How long before the stadium tours add on trips to a Wengerwall some where so that they can pilgrimage there, kneel and wail at his feet? Bad marriage is an excellent analogy but i would add that their devotion to him is a bit more sinister. It is fear as you say but the bad marriage is borderline an abusive one. Wenger can carry on using them as punch bags and they'll accept it and think he ll change, hence the lamely accepted excuses. Hes a very clever, manipulative man and hes built a solid fortress of excuses and justifications around him for years. For his followers, to doubt one or any of them is tantamount to heresy. They're guilt ridden even thinking he might be flawed. Has it ever occurred at another football Club? I'm not sure that it has.Its an amazing thing he s done but if it was in a political context everybody would understand it. In a footballing one, its unique i suggest.

  77. Torbay gooner

    Nov 10, 2014, 12:42 #61017

    Agree with most of what you have written Kevin, although frankly Steve Bould does not fill me with much confidence, judging by his demeanour on the bench. The results this season have reflected the poor performances by the team and this is probably the worse I have seen us perform under this manager. This needs to be the season when we don't finish top 4(or even close) and maybe even this manager will decide at the end of this season that he's had enough. I can live with that outcome!

  78. Tony Evans

    Nov 10, 2014, 12:41 #61016

    So now Wenger is saying that no one can catch Chelsea as if this somehow makes his total incompetence OK. You look at the Chelsea side and weep to think that we once had a side to match it, and yet now have been reduced to this unbalanced, defensively awful parody of our former selves. What is so unbelievable is that the same manager presided over both teams! As I said before his make do and mend approach to defending is unforgivable (and has been for years) and even going forward now we seem to have lost our mojo. He has to go but what is it going to take to shift him? I think A & F has a point about Wenger not taking kindly to crowd abuse, but is that ever going to happen?

  79. GoonerRon

    Nov 10, 2014, 12:39 #61015

    Aaaarrrgggghhhhh. So utterly annoyed after that. I think for the first time ever I'm looking forward to an international break so I can get my brain to regroup after a wretched week.

  80. jeff wright

    Nov 10, 2014, 12:39 #61014

    One of the big problems with this current squad is obviously the lack of strength in depth due to Wenger parsimonious policies ,also there are too many Indians and no chief. Mertesacker should be doing that job , organizing 2 banks of 4 in defence, to protect our fragile leads . Instead of this simple ploy when ahead we have players going gung-ho forward looking for more goals this must be down to Wenger's coaching , this should only be done though in the real world if we are losing and time is running out and we have nothing to lose - and not when we are winning the game - and only need to see it out to collect the points. It's not even as though the boring tippy-tappy gung-ho is entertaining to watch. Our defence is not good enough for it to be left exposed to counter-attacks after we lose possession going forward - with our players strung out like a line of wet washing blowing in the wind. This led to Gibbs a left back ending up in The imbalance of the squad , heavily overstocked in the middle of the field chasing a Swansea player heading toward our goal and having to bring him down from behind ,this leading to the Swansea equalizer. Our midfield overstocked with lightweight small players , doesn't help either . Also it is now obvious that Sir Ferguson was right about Danny Boy ,he doesn't score enough goals in the Prem to justify being an automatic first choice striker , just 2 goals this term and has played up front regularly . He looks more useful , with his pace, out wide .We saw this yesterday when he cut in from the wing with a run to make the pass to Sanchez that he scored from, a'la to Rooney and RVP when he was at United. So case closed on Danny Boy,Ferguson who had him under his iron rule since Danny was at school knew best and played him out wide . A big problem here for Wenger is that Wally, now back from his latest long run of long injuries during which time he has written several Kiddies books , is another would be striker who Wenger prefers out wide to make use of his pace, when fit Wally will want to play - and he is arguably better than Danny. Then we have Oliver who is still our only proper striker ,leaving aside the postman who never scores. Big tattooed ,tongue drooling muscle-bound and slower than wet paint drying on a garage door in the rain Oliver , but he is better than Danny in the hold up the ball and lay it off stakes. Wenger gets paid 8m a year to sort out these things though, so he will probably play all of them in some crazy gung-ho tippy tappy plan leaving our defence even more exposed that it is now , and it's not exactly Fort-Knox like anyway with the BGF obviously no TA . According to Oxo Chambo last week big Per does the fine collecting for misdemeanour's by players on Wenger's behalf - every player - other than Sanchez - should be fined a weeks wages and Wenger himself a months,for that non-performance yesterday.

  81. Gunner Mad

    Nov 10, 2014, 12:37 #61013

    Play... Repeat... Play... Repeat... Play... Repeat We are in this mode this season. Pathetic.... Its totally messed up. Wenger will not change the side even if we get thrashed 8-0. For some reason Monreal is a CB!!! WTF.... What is wrong with Wenger's brain ?? Is he really that dumb ?? Can't he see what the problem with the team is ?? You just have to play Chambers as a centre-back!!! Play Monreal either left/right back. If not play Bellerin at right back. Why can't Wenger give Ajayi or Haydon a chance at centre-back ??? Play Sanchez as a forward along with Welbeck. Ox at the right, if Walcott is not available. Ramsey right behind the strikers. Cazorla in the middle. Use Wilshere as a sweeper, someone who intercepts the passes and provides those long balls, which Jack can easily do. Teach the team how to defend. Bloody Sanchez can jump higher than BFG. Make changes at 50-60 minute, so that the subs have a good half n hour to change the game. These are the basics of football. Wenger when will u learn ?? Arsene please get the results or else just leave the club. I am fed up with the same old **** again and again.

  82. Bard

    Nov 10, 2014, 12:34 #61012

    Ron, the dysfunctional nature of his reign has become a sort of benign norm. You kind of accept it without question and make excuses at every available turn. It's like a bad marriage that you're too frightened to leave, you always make excuse to stay. I think those who really support him are frightened of change. But the truth is there are plenty of managers out there who could manage 4 the spot given the money Arsenal have.

  83. Jude

    Nov 10, 2014, 12:31 #61011

    What, pray tell, is the excuse this week for Ramsey's anonymous performance? The manager looks pretty foolish passing on Cesc.

  84. Highbury Boy

    Nov 10, 2014, 12:29 #61010

    I saw that Westie was the first person to post. No doubt thinking (like someone else we know )that attack is the best form of defence. Westie can't wait for the important January transfer window bemoaning the imbalance of the squad but is this the same Westie who I recall thought that last summer's transfer window was the best ever ? And surely he knows from Wenger that you just cannot go round the supermarkets buying decent cbs and defensive midfielders especially in January. All the best stuff goes in the summer but that's beach football time.

  85. Ron

    Nov 10, 2014, 12:20 #61009

    TJ - It isnt just Westie mate. Ive not met one fan who is in the Wenger camp whos ever failed to cite tiredness after mid week games as an excuse. Its just another smokescreen used to excuse the inexcusable. Such is the weird emotional attachment they all have to Wenger, its a never ending homage to one excuse after another. Remove one and another will always pop up, like targets on a shooting range such is the grip that he has not only on them but the whole of the Club. Hes a sort of benign tyrant.

  86. TJ

    Nov 10, 2014, 12:07 #61008

    Westie, the midweek thing is something you just cherry pick to vindicate Wenger. You've cited Dortmund losing consistently but not this time, why? Because they overcame an unbeaten Mönchengladbach yesterday. Spurs made 10 changes from their midweek game a few weeks ago but still lost (and I don't think one player will make a big difference...). Sure it makes a difference but it's not completely crippling. We lost yesterday because we went all out on attack while leading the game... Read Keown's comments on BBC, he said we don't have a defensive shield anymore with Flamini vacating the DM slot, in the build up to the equaliser. Lee Dixon demanded that all wingers in front of him double mark etc. the truth is the coaching setup is draining the players and Wenger's philosophy of ignoring the defensive side of the game is costing us.

  87. WENGER MUST GO ASAP(MARCUS)

    Nov 10, 2014, 11:53 #61007

    The man is " TACTICALLY CLUELESS " and has been exposed the last 9 years for what hd is. An average manager at best. Why do we put up with this stubbornness and Down right pathetic tactics folks?? If I'm poldoski I'm looking to leave in January surely the final nail in the coffin was putting on saNOGOAL ahead of poldoski, if that is not an insult what is?? You can see the players don't believe in he's tactics. I bet a lot if them were shocked when he did not replace TV. How in the hell can you play monreal in cb??? He's no cb. Also folks saying we could have got fabregas back Loool. He did not want to go come back trust me lool. What come back to fight for fourth??? Loool. He did that for 8 years previously why would he want to do that again ?? I said Wenger will never win the pl again or the cl for the first time EVER!!!! That is why he has to go for me. He's holding this club back. Our team has no balance so many players of who all look the same physically. Why has he gone away from the type of teams he use to win the pl with??? To midgets and wimps??? Last season everyone knew we needed a striker yet he went an got a injured player Loool. You could not make this stuff up. What did mourinho do?? He went and got probably the best signing that January in Matic. He knew he needed to fill that gap and he did. Whilst our clueless fool goes out and buys a crocked player. Oh yeah and you dear critise him!!! He will come back with he's usual nonsense about he " won't listen to anyone who has managed zero games" looool. THE MAN IS A DELUDED ARROGANT HAS BEEN

  88. Ron

    Nov 10, 2014, 11:51 #61006

    Westie - players in the main can play to any system if its drilled well enough. We have a coach who doesn't drill though as we know. The Spuds analogy is a red herring.The Coach there has a team full of players who he didn't buy plus hes been there 5 mins not 18 years. I dont disregard the idea of 'some' midweek games having an effect Westie and never have, but what i disagree with is the idea youve always posited that its a reason in itself for poor performances over 90 mins consistently after every CL game. I think its a ready made way out for players to use once they've been fed it often enough by a Coach whos never short of excuses like we have. Swansea was rank coaching negligence, it was nt anything to do with being in Belgium 4 days before.

  89. Highbury Boy

    Nov 10, 2014, 11:42 #61005

    I know you're not an Arsenal fan Menaidave (post 64346) and thanks for your sympathy. Unfortunately Arsenal FC has become Arsene FC and there is no way he would allow anyone other than him to do tactics. If you go on the Emirates tour you will be told that Arsene designed everything including the height of tables in the dressing rooms. The Chairman said at the recent AGM that the Board backs Wenger's Plan A and still backs him if he has no Plan B. It's become his club and at £8m plus bonuses pa with 2 and a half years left he aint going nowhere. Any attempt to bring someone in "to do tactics" would be seen by Wenger as breaking his contract and no doubt a £20m claim would follow.

  90. Seven Kings Gooner

    Nov 10, 2014, 11:37 #61004

    Kev : I think you could leave your report as is - for most of the away games this season, just change the teams and the names accordingly. Like you Kev I knew as soon as we scored we would lose, unlike you I did not make a financial gain, I just switched the game off, I knew what was coming.

  91. Westlower

    Nov 10, 2014, 11:37 #61003

    @Ron You may joke about Kallstrom but I would have loved him to stay in that midfield role that Arteta & Flamini occupy. We disagree about the effect of Euro midweek games. It's not just AFC it's all the teams that produce a flat performance afterwards, The Sours have lost 4 home games directly afterwards & they've spent £100m+ on players & have a dynamic young coach (or so we're led to believe). Don't disagree that we should set our stall out to tough out a result but do we have the payers available to play that way? The bookies think it's all over in the PL with CFC 1/6 (86% chance of winning); Man City 6/1 (14%); AFC 40/1 (2.4%); Man U 50/1 (1.96%); Southampton 66/1 (1.5%); Liverpool 150/1 (0.66%). Top 4 betting: AFC 1/2; Man U 4/6; Southampton 2/1; Liverpool 5/2; TH 9/1; Everton 9/1. Game on Nov 22nd. AFC 5/4; Draw 5/2, Man U 21/10. Good insurance policy at 21/10 should it all go tits up!

  92. Exeter Gunner

    Nov 10, 2014, 11:36 #61002

    You can look at any detail, and it doesn't make sense. Wenger said that part of the reason for the Anderlecht collapse was 'fatigue'. Then he puts out the same team (except Flam for the injured Arteta) for the weekend game. It doesn't add up. Either he knew he was talking bull***t during the week or he forgot, or something. There's no cohesion, no plan. We know this latter because Sir Chips et al are 'quiet'.

  93. Stuart

    Nov 10, 2014, 11:27 #61001

    If we want to go forward, just get him out. He is the problem, the sack is the answer and has been since 2009.

  94. Mathew

    Nov 10, 2014, 11:23 #61000

    Thanks Kevin, just a correction, it was Bony who was pushed by Chambers, not Montero which was a clear penalty. I think the team is down and gutted equally like the fans. I just couldn't sleep yesterday although my wife kept reminding me that you can't just win every week, its a sport. Little she knows that its been twice a week these days. The fact is there is a huge build up to these games and we anxiously wait for an inspiration game after game. Is it the mediocre players who are letting us down or Arsene's tactical naivety, I believe a mixture of both. Anderlecht was a lesson, but Swansea just made it to a calamity. Both were teams with less superstars and players who have defined roles to play in their teams. Kos's stability is missing and without him Per is just a wooden block. Hope is all we can do now, I am disappointed.

  95. Mattybr

    Nov 10, 2014, 11:18 #60999

    Excellent article and shows what we can see, even if the club can't. The Whitehouse article summed in really. Wenger believes in the players but doesn't buy into leadership and teamwork - so telling absent from recent years. All too depressing as no real prospect of any change - kind of hoping they get drawn against Warrington Town so one can see how starck the contrast is in belief in the team. Crikey can't quite believe I've written that but having watched the game on bbc, I was taken but what I've missed for quite a long time - passion!

  96. gn23

    Nov 10, 2014, 11:17 #60998

    Methinks Alexis already knows he will win nothing playing with this lot!!

  97. Red Member

    Nov 10, 2014, 11:10 #60997

    only way to save the club long term is for a short term period of LOSE LOSE LOSE. tricky fixtures coming up next month which might do the trick. Like Westlower has said although it is frustrating following Arsenal these days, at least it is profitable!

  98. DJ

    Nov 10, 2014, 11:07 #60996

    The only positive from the game, and I am clutching at straws was the performance of The Ox. He will probably be dropped for our saviour Walcott after the international break while Carzola, who has contributed nothing this season, stays on.

  99. Ron

    Nov 10, 2014, 11:05 #60995

    Mike Collins - 'fan power' amongst home support that's aged to the extent it has isnt likely to happen. Assuming you go to home games, you know the air of lethargy, neutrality and indifference there? The Board have to see the writing on the wall, before anything is done and however hard it is for them they need to act purposely. I hoineslty cant see any London Club making change at the hand's of fan power nowadays. The social demography of the Clubs just doesn't lend itself to such things. Any demo, whatever its about needs young, energetic and hungry people to pursue it. Such fans were price forced away from Arsenal a long time back. Middle class corporate types dont know how to make a noise. They clap when they score and mumble when they lose. Thats as far as it gets.

  100. Menaidave

    Nov 10, 2014, 11:05 #60994

    I'm not an Arsenal fan, but sympathize. The manager and players are losing self-belief. Wenger's a nice guy on the whole, in many ways an excellent manager. He is excellent in so many ways, has run the club well over many years. But there is no sign of him being an effective tactician, and I'm not even sure he ever was one. He just seems to pick what he thinks are his best team, tells them where to play, and waits the 90 minutes to see how it goes. He will only leave if he's dragged out by fans or the board, but maybe there's another way. Why not appoint an assistant manager in charge of tactics. Arsenal need someone to change things around when they aren't working, to tweak players game mid-game, to make tactical substitutions, to set the team into defense mode when they are 2 or 3 up maybe. Someone who can do a plan B. You'll never find another Mourhinho, but he is the person to learn from.

  101. Unchives

    Nov 10, 2014, 10:59 #60993

    Spot on Kevin, however the most distasteful thing isn't even the loss or the identical mistakes, forever repeated, but the smugness and arrogance of the man when interviewed. WENGER OUT NOW!

  102. Dartford gooner

    Nov 10, 2014, 10:58 #60992

    Kevin give the job to Bould, the guy who sits on his arse and does nothing while our so called defence falls apart. If he can't stand up to Wenger then he is wasting his time because in the end he will go down with the sinking ship. All the people on this site who said Jenks was not up to the job, well he looks a lot better in a Westham shirt, could it be anything to do with the coaching he is now getting, or maybe the fact that their midfield helps their defence. How much longer can santi keep his place ,besides the lovely pass for the goal he did nothing. Another Hleb, Reyes type player. Lots of skill but not suited for the PL battle. Call for Wengers head at the ground? they can@t shout and eat a giant hotdog at the same time.Its all doom and gloom, the only saving grace is whats going on down the road. We may be bad but not that bad. Come on Jamie we are all waiting for you!

  103. Mike Collins

    Nov 10, 2014, 10:43 #60991

    Just as nobody went over to calm Sanchez when he was mouthing off at the referee yesterday and in danger of being sent off (where was the captain?), so no-one seems to step in here when accusations of "cretin" are hurled about. This language does not help and we ALL seem to agree that AW will continue in his job despite what any of the fans say. The club hierarchy has become remote from us and simply doesn't care what we think anymore. Fan power seems more developed in Europe and maybe it's time we ALL campaigned for something similar here. It won't stop healthy debate but it could prevent negative and pointless abuse among people who should be united behind one cause.

  104. Bard

    Nov 10, 2014, 10:41 #60990

    Nothing to disagree with Kev. Despite the frustration and anger, nothing is going to happen unless the mood at the Emirates gets so bad that Wenger resigns. It's two months till the transfer window and a lot of damage can be done in that time. I thought his handling of Chambers was callous in the extreme, he's only 19 and giving his all to the club. He hung him out to dry yesterday. I haven't seen a full back destroyed like that for years. You have to wonder what the more experienced players are making of all this. As another poster said, bringing on Sanogo instead of Podolski was frankly bizarre.

  105. GunnerPete

    Nov 10, 2014, 10:39 #60989

    Well it has taken a long time but I now agree that Arsene has lost his wonderful talent of team building. Five years ago I pleaded with him to buy 4/5 young UK defenders and CMF who were tall, fast and strong in the hope that two or three would come through to the top level. Now I think that if AW can see Flamini and Arteta and Monreal as good enough to keep out players like Belerin and jenkinson then the its time for me to walk away. I have supported the Gunners for 67 years this December and cannot remember a time when I was embarrassed by our back six players.

  106. Ron

    Nov 10, 2014, 10:37 #60988

    Im sorry Westie and hear yr protestation but 'effect of midweek games'is an old vinyl record now and doesn't cut it anymore and in itself can only account for dull overall performances and not the sunday morning collapses that Arsenal are famed for. If the CL midweek game syndrome theory is known by Wenger to hold water, then a team has to be set up to hold what it starts with on the following week end, not primed to go gung ho. Yr post is again another not very well disguised sympathy/support Wenger vote in all honesty. It sounds so weak kneed now and has for a long time mate with all due respect. Kev - 20. 30 or 40 million quid spent on ousting Wenger is cash better spent than handing the man the same money to buy more Squillaccis, Cygans and Kallstroms. He shdt have another penny now, whatever the effect on the teams prospects. More patch and plaster remedies as those advocated by Westie are false economies but theyre the types of players you get in January. Hes held the Club to ransom for at least 5 years now. Its time to call his bluff, bite the bullet and be rid of him. A temporary back room staff can surely take us to the seasons end respectably, even if the fabled top 4 is missed. The Club will get an impetus of enthusiasm by such action as always happens. Im sure quite a few of the players have no faith in Wenger any more by the look of it.Its time and deep down i think Wenger and those with whom he works know it too. For heavens sake, put him out of his misery.

  107. AWIMB AKBs

    Nov 10, 2014, 10:29 #60987

    Berni and Sir C are on their high horses this morning sneering at 'thick cretinous Arsenal fans' They might not be going for a showoff executive box lunch at the only annual game they ever go to

  108. 71guns

    Nov 10, 2014, 10:20 #60986

    Same sh*t different day. A lame phrase I agree but I can't think of anything better. Once again we've managed to get ahead (huffing and puffing against 2nd rate oppostion)only to chuck it away - of course when the commentator said the ex spuds player over the ball for the freekeek I suppose it was inevitable it would find the top corner. However the game was still there for the taking but not content with dropping 2 points we give away all 3 instead. Wiltshire came on with a moody on and looked more likely to get sent off than contribute anything constructive and when Sanago was waiting on the touchline as you said over Poldoski what message does that send to the team and fans? That Wenger lost his marbles(he hasn't many left)or rather he is also losing interest. There was no passion no class (Sanchez and one or 2 others aside)and once again we've been beaten by an 'on paper' inferior team. The truth is you are only as good as your form and taking the 'talent' for granted the rest is the desire and hunger to win (cup winners cup final vs parma)too many of the team just don't look interested, we talk of managers losing the dressing room but this is Arsenal football club, personal pride for the shirt anyone? We need a change/ changes desperately - it's taken a while for great to become good lets not wait for good to become mediocre. On a seperate note their goalkeeper looked alright...

  109. Don't Piss On Me & Say It's Raining!

    Nov 10, 2014, 10:17 #60985

    @ Angry & Frustrated. I made it very loud and clear last season that I wanted Wenger out. Ended up almost having a punch up on 2 occasions and being told by someone else 'I'm not the biggest fan of Wenger but this isn't the place to make your feelings known. We are trying to watch the game'. You couldn't make it up! The AKB arguments have gradually died resulting in the Westlower's of this world slowly slowly agreeing with the AMG's point of view in order not to get too much egg on their faces like oily politicians. Jamie is a prize cretin but at least he's consistent with it. Still, we may go the next 5 unbeaten and then all the AKB's will be giving it 'I told you so'. Making money out of Arsenal's demise, fine by me, after all, that's what Wenger is doing. So keep betting and enjoy the dosh. First few years I wanted Wenger to leave with his head held high. Last season was the perfect chance. Now I want him crushed, he has created a civil war through arrogance and mismanagement. Get out Wenger you're pathetic!

  110. HowardL

    Nov 10, 2014, 10:16 #60984

    I'm usually a 'glass half full' person but this was the most tactically crass performance from Wenger. Sanogo - with his inevitable clumsy touch - instead of Podolski was the final straw. i couldn't be bothered to watch the predictable post-match interview but I'm looking forward to the podcast.

  111. Lord Froth

    Nov 10, 2014, 10:13 #60983

    I can honestly say that I never saw yesterday's result coming. I was deeply shocked I tells ye, shocked!

  112. Charlie George Orwell

    Nov 10, 2014, 10:10 #60982

    I don't know what was the more worrying sight at the full time whistle: Sanchez shaking his head with a rueful look on his face - or Wenger just smiling.

  113. Willard

    Nov 10, 2014, 10:08 #60981

    Amongst a catalogue of many errors, why did Gibbs not foul Barrow on the halfway line rather than 30 yards from goal? Same result - a booking - but no chance of a shot on goal. Your report makes it sound like he had no option but to foul 30 yards from goal but the picture shows he was level on the halfway line. One of the many areas that Chelsea and Man City are way ahead of Arsenal is the tactical foul. Oscar and David Silva bring people down in the opposition half all the time to stop breaks from forming. Our lot let the play develop dangerously before deciding. Another example of our naivety.

  114. Ron

    Nov 10, 2014, 10:07 #60980

    I sense a 'send for Kallstrom' S.O.S being sent before long? How long before some explains all this with the usual time honoured shriek of ' we re always poor in November'.

  115. Ozzie

    Nov 10, 2014, 10:02 #60979

    I'm all done with this mob! Best of luck fellas :)

  116. foxinthebox2001

    Nov 10, 2014, 9:45 #60977

    Who was the only person at the Liberty Stadium, or even among the millions watching on tv who didn't see Chambers had a problem with Montero? Everyone must have expected changes at half time, it was tantamount to sabotage to allow that situation to continue unchecked. But no, as usual he sits on his hands until it costs us the winning goal. Clueless manager.

  117. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Nov 10, 2014, 9:43 #60976

    For the first time in years, the missus and I watched the Grand Prix instead of the football. I looked at the last minute of the game, saw the score, shrugged me shoulders and went back to the Grand Prix. Too tired and weary to even get bothered about it any more. Only when OGL is gone will anything change.

  118. handbrakeon

    Nov 10, 2014, 9:38 #60975

    how long before Alexis realises he is not winning anything with this lot? Wenger has really cocked up, this time round I highly doubt he will achieve his coveted 4th place. this is the exact same team blew a 3 goal lead. what was he trying to prove? and to think he will be given more funds in January, what will it be then? another Sanogo? maybe a santos... I know, how about a cross between Squilachi and Bendtner? Sorry to say but the man cannot be allowed to spend another penny at this club, we have more than enough dead weight to shift as it is. Wenger needs to leave.

  119. Angry & Frustrated

    Nov 10, 2014, 9:36 #60974

    When are people going to start calling for his head inside the stadium? This is the only way we will get change, as their is more chance of Stan ditching his syrup than him voluntarily ditching Wenger. OGL's ego and arrogance would not be able to handle chants of "Wenger Out" of that I am certain. Just look how he responded to his recent BBC TV interview with Jacqui Oatley or his reactions to Paul Merson's accurate criticism. So in summary if you want him out, voice your opinion in the stadium, because if you don't, this farce will continue until 2017 and possibly beyond!

  120. andy1886

    Nov 10, 2014, 9:32 #60973

    Good post Westie! Are you moving ever so slightly towards the dark side? ;-) I have to agree that AW will not leave mid-season, or probably at all while he has a contract, and the BoD simply will not sack him unless revenues fall dramatically. Even failing to make fourth wouldn't do it - they will simply say "who better to get us back into the CL than the man who did it seventeen seasons in a row?" Our next game could well be the one that turns the season round for one of the two sides, but more likely it'll be another dour 0-0 draw just like last season!

  121. declan burke

    Nov 10, 2014, 9:29 #60972

    We know he won't resign, We know our weak board will not sack him but the only hope I have is that slowly more and more fans will realise that this dictator has got to be removed. Time to take to the streets.

  122. Mike Collins

    Nov 10, 2014, 9:22 #60971

    Accurate report as ever, Kev, but wasn't it good to see Sanogo again, being, er, Sanogo-esque in his brief cameo. Our Yaya's better than their lightweight Yaya.

  123. chris dee

    Nov 10, 2014, 9:21 #60970

    If Arsene really had Arsenal's interests at heart he would resign. I'm sure other posters will tell us what the whole football world knows about our tactics and 'team spirit'.Me,I just too dog tired with this s**t to go through the same thing season after season. Oner thing I will say is that I hear,often,that Arsene is 'brave' because he plays the Arsenal 'way 'at all times. This is not bravery,this shows Arsene has a yellow streak the width of the M1 down his back,because if we had been cautious and pragmatic against Anderlecht and Swansea and won the games,critics would have said 'see Arsene' there are times when you must defend.But Arsene couldn't handle critisism like that although it might achieve better results for the club.Butsadly this not about results this is about Arsene and his 'way'

  124. King Jeremy

    Nov 10, 2014, 9:21 #60969

    Morning Gooners! Here we are again - a deja-vu of a deja-vu. No point waxing lyrical about the whys and wherefores of yesterdays (latest) unprofessional display, so here's some comforting facts and figures that nicely sum it up: £8,000,000 per year - the salary of the man supposedly in charge of this group of players. 3 months - the amount of time the same man had to source defenders clearly desperately required. £40,000,000 - the amount broadly reported to have remained unspent at 1st September. 2.5 years - the minimu time remaining before any real change occurs. Enjoy your week Gooners!

  125. Kube

    Nov 10, 2014, 9:15 #60968

    Very good piece once again Kevin! Sanogo playing before Podolski?? Le Boss bought our souls with the invincibles team; guess now we're paying the piper. Anyone here think we'll get a result against the ManCheats in a fortnight? Lol

  126. Westlower

    Nov 10, 2014, 9:10 #60967

    Can't ever see Wenger quitting mid season but it's hard to disagree with the rest of your report Kevin. We've already found out that BFG is a better player alongside Koscielny. Maybe time to switch Chambers to CB until Kos returns as there doesn't appear to be any other options. I still believe selling TV was the right option given his ongoing injuries. The squad remains lopsided with attackers. Why keep Pod & Campbell if they're not being played. Sell them both in Jan and bulk up the squad with at least two defensive minded players. Frustratingly the gamble on Diaby returning hasn't materialised. We desperately need a 100% fit Diaby type in our midfield. Contrary to what some believe (Hiccup) playing in Europe midweek does have an effect on the weekend games. Only CFC have won this weekend, albeit playing another club engaged in ECL. TH have lost all 4 home games after involvement in Euro midweek. Like you Kevin, I have cleaned up with bets struck after AFC have taken the lead this week. I managed to back Swansea at 26/1 & 9/2 the draw after we went 1-0 up. In the short term Theo, Arteta & Giroud may make an impact but still no defensive reinforcements on the horizon. The January transfer window is fast becoming the most important in recent times. I shudder to think what will happen if Man U's star spangled forwards click at the Emirates on the 22nd. Roll on January!