Arsenal’s season hangs on Alexis

But the defensive side of Arsenal must improve first



Arsenal’s season hangs on Alexis


So where do we go from the current mess Arsenal seem to have got themselves in? Much as many would be happy to see a change in the managerial hotseat, things would have to get pretty bad before the board ask Arsene Wenger to step down, and in fact, given that money seems to be king at Arsenal these days, I am far from convinced they would consider paying him off until the summer of 2016 at the earliest.

The only way I can see that changing is if there is open revolt in the stadium at home matches. Can you see this happening? Most fans, once they enter the turnstiles, are of a ‘support the team’ mindset. They will save their boos until the final whistle, or vote with their feet as they did when United went 2-0 up at the weekend. 25,000 people left as if there had been an evacuation order. I have a feeling a large number of season ticket holders won’t even make the journey to the stadium this evening.

The board feel indebted to Wenger for delivering what they want – financial stability and profit - and one has to wonder if a part of this is the man’s willingness to operate under specific restrictions. Myles Palmer’s always entertaining Arsenal News Review site suggested that Arsenal are under instruction from Stan Kroenke to keep £75m in their bank account. Whether this would include the portion of cash needed as security on the stadium loan is not made clear, but £75m is far greater than that amount. The reason for this would presumably be that it increased the Net Asset Value of the club, and by extension the value of Kroenke’s 67% shareholding, perhaps so he can borrow against it? Who knows, but the bottom line is that Arsenal have a serious excess of cash and the manager did not use it to bring in enough defensive players last summer. And you have to ask why.

Wenger is being paid £8 million to take a lot of flak, although in 2013 he finally admitted that he was not able to spend for a long period.

To an extent that has obviously changed, as the purchases of Ozil and Alexis Sanchez demonstrate, even if there is still unused cash sitting idly in the bank. The latter looks like a superb buy, and it is a bit of a headscratcher that, such has his form been during the World Cup and since his move to Arsenal, he was snubbed for the Balon D'Or shortlist, given that the likes of James Rodriguez and Karim Benzema are on there. However, the fact that a good start to the summer window was not seen through with the two or three extra defensive players the squad patently needed has given rise to plenty of frustration, and actually put greater pressure on the star summer signing.

No-one can fault Alexis’ application and abilities. Sure, it was his mis-placed pass that led to United’s second goal last weekend, but it was hardly his fault so many of his defensive colleagues were out of position. The ball was not lost in the centre of the park, but on the edge of the opposition penalty area.

But the Chilean is not a one man team, even if he tries to be. His contribution might yet save Arsenal’s season (in terms of the board’s ambition) with his contribution taking them to fourth place. Apart from putting the ball into the net, until they went 1-0 down against Louis Van Gaal’s side, the Gunners did actually play some fairly decent football. And the reality of the table is that they are only two points away from the top four.

Little is going to change in terms of the manager’s preparation of players for matches. So it will be down to the talent they have as to whether they can chalk up enough wins to get the season back on track. Good as Alexis is, his colleagues will have step up to the plate in terms of their defensive duties to make that happen, although a little bit of me wonders whether these players are actually playing for the manager any more. As for Alexis, he may well not understand too much of what the manager says, and a mischievous mind might conclude this as an explanation for his performance levels and attitude being so markedly different from many of his colleagues.


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  1. jeff wright

    Nov 27, 2014, 10:52 #62124

    A fairly predictable result last night against the weakest of the three German sides that all lost to English Prem ones this week - with predictable joy and the weird gloating from the usual two thickies 'West Brom play in black and white' odd boy Panto Pete - aka Lee KFC - or TH14 when he attempts to be serious . The black and white West Brom one will take some getting around Lee ,best to stick to simple things like you telling us that we would not sign Danny Welbeck and real fans believe what Ivan says and not Sky Sports . You couldn't make it up. No idea what dear Jamie is trying to prove other than that he is obviously not very bright. Sanago's goal looked offside and as Merse said we got an home decision from the linesman on it . Iwas pleased about that because I don't think I could stand another bout of whinging and whining from Arteta and the AKB's about not being lucky .Some calls you win,some you lose. The early goal allowed us to sit back more than if going gung ho for a goal as may have been the case if it were 0-0 after 30 minutes and the natives started getting restless moaning about misplaced passes. Klopp's flops were unable to play their counter-attack game and tbh did not look that motivated in what was a poor performance from them and easy to see why they are just off the bottom of their league. A dreaded 12-45 kick-off on Saturday at West Brom,when hopefully they are not wearing Newcastle's kit to try and confuse Arsene, our record last season in these early fixtures was not good,in fact it was awful, so let's see if things improve in that regard as we now stand poised again on the cusp of, er, another 4th place finish . Will Jamie be able to stand the excitement of it all is the question.

  2. Bard

    Nov 27, 2014, 9:57 #62120

    Jamie, cut me some slack, I was trying to be positive but come on dont you evaluate victories or are they all the same. I tend to grade them. if we beat a top team thats one sort of win but beating Bradford is another. BD were poor and had very little motivation. It was an ok performance but apart from Sanchez, Ox and Chambers we looked very average. Or maybe for you a win is a win. And by the way I have never had gonorrhea.

  3. JAMIE

    Nov 27, 2014, 9:03 #62119

    Not the old opposition was poor routine BARD surely that only works for Anderlecht.Your usually my favourite Gamorrean.Too much more of this and you'll end up like poor jeff wright,Unchives,maguirestamfordbridge and DW Thomas and become a complete'Jabba fag'

  4. smithy

    Nov 27, 2014, 7:41 #62118

    Good win but.... I am frustrated by two things, Arsene spouting the consistency myth and no one can judge him 'from outside the camp'. Also yet another case of 2 soft tissue injuries- Artetas calf and Sanogos hamstring. Its down to training- not enough conditioning and strengthening, too much tippy tappy to the stopwatch.Groundhog day year after year with regard to injured players. Again his arrogance is really costing us.

  5. Bard

    Nov 27, 2014, 7:03 #62117

    Good win but guys BD were poor and they had already qualified. Cant see that we can go overboard about it. We did look better defensively but what must Campbell and Poldi think now that they are behind Bambi in the pecking order. Morning Pete, all good now at AKB central ? Oh happy days. I smell a 4th place just round the corner and how happy must Stan be feeling now hes trousered a few more millions. You never know the team may have just tipped him into getting away with another ticket price rise. I have had an email from my old mucker Baddie. He will come back on the site if no one makes any snide comments about his defending or his tactical nous. He has been working on a treatise about the relationship between Idolatry and the supporting Wenger and has been sending it to all the abks. Pete has asked him if he could have a copy but only with pictures.

  6. Mathew

    Nov 27, 2014, 4:57 #62116

    Good game, I think BVB were average without any attacking prowess. Arsenal were desperate to win, advantage of having a home game, BVB already qualified and Reus missing, all these just helped us. I felt except Ramsey all played their defined roles, as he is still trying to get the monkey of his back. He was playing forward, when he had to defend deep with Flamini with a 2 goal cushion, not another Anderlecht ! A commendable performance from our defence, BFG was solid, Gibbsy had a point to prove, Monreal was less troubled and Chambers is a gem. I wish Sanchez a healthy season as he is going to be our sole winner, game after game. With Arteta out for few weeks, and Flamini never a ball-winner I wish we had Morgan Schnederlin. Martinez should get some games too, I think he will prove everyone wrong.

  7. TJ

    Nov 27, 2014, 0:42 #62114

    Wow the Wenger fanboys are really desperate... Jeff said we would win because bar Bayern the Bundesliga is even weaker than the Premier League this year. Dortmund have already qualified and are really struggling for form right now. What you all fail to realise is that sheep like yourselves who lap up failure and cheer the decline of our club are the reason we will be stuck with this idiot for years. Rather than boasting every time we win, you would do better to show how we're going to win the league over that team who have a lower wage bill than us called Chelsea or how tonight's win will mark the beginning of a great run in the Champions League- but of course none of you will do so.

  8. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 27, 2014, 0:11 #62113

    Ken, I think that's pretty obvious mate, and maybe we'll wear our away kit,(that's if those unfamiliar with Arsenal realise there's more than one) and for those that don't and don't know what colour it is, there's a clue at the top of the page.

  9. Ken

    Nov 26, 2014, 23:47 #62112

    Peter Pan- No, that's you.

  10. Peter pan

    Nov 26, 2014, 23:37 #62111

    Stupid me.....it's yellow and green.

  11. Peter pan

    Nov 26, 2014, 23:28 #62110

    Hey rumpole. Carlo Ancelotti at 33/1 is jeffs tip to be next Arsenal manager. I would have thought he would have picked "Spanish" Manuel Pellegrini. Eh Jeff

  12. JAMIE

    Nov 26, 2014, 23:22 #62109

    Lots of wob's going into U-turn mode.These deluded fools must get tired that none of their predictions ever come true.A night as Arsene would say for the'IN CROWD'The true gooners,who sent Jabba and his band of Gamorrean's home with their tales between their legs.Boo hoo hoo suckers.

  13. Ken

    Nov 26, 2014, 23:22 #62108

    Peter Pan- If you predict that West Brom will be playing in black and white you must be unfamiliar with football in general. Embarrassing mistake that could only have been made by someone who has known no-one else as Arsenal manager but Arsene Wenger. These last few weeks must have been terrifying for you, I hope tonight has brought some comfort.

  14. Rumpole

    Nov 26, 2014, 22:58 #62107

    Please Jeff Wright, some of us are gambling men, we could do with some more of your predictions!!

  15. jeff wright

    Nov 26, 2014, 22:57 #62106

    So in other words Panto Pete you are scared to make a prediction and instead just post your usual magic roundabout drivel to try and appear to be an uber fan.Yawn.

  16. Peter pan

    Nov 26, 2014, 22:44 #62105

    Ok...so I'm going to predict that we are going to play a team on Saturday in black and white. We will wear red and white for those unfamiliar with the arsenal. I predict that it will be 11 vs 11 and the ball will be round. The playing surface will be green. Irrespective of the result, many old folk who use online gooner will have no choice but to keep harassing the manager for he has served them nothing but jam on toast for many a year. These old folk have to wear spectacles these days because they can only see as far as the Germany winning the world cup. Bonjour rodders.

  17. Ron

    Nov 26, 2014, 22:42 #62104

    Good win and nice goals but lads, come on, BD looked an average lot at three quarter pace. Should set the Arsemal up for WBA game though.

  18. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 26, 2014, 22:39 #62103

    Gaz, only kidding, there are a hell of a lot who aren't and already think it, and they're telling us so already.

  19. maguiresbridgr gooner

    Nov 26, 2014, 22:23 #62102

    Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing.

  20. Unchives

    Nov 26, 2014, 22:18 #62101

    Good result, shame it wasn't 3-0. Does anyone think this manager will keep this sensible defending template in his stubborn head or will he return to type? Sanchez was outstanding again and chambers is quality, lets hope they don't waste their careers at the Arsenal by winining something.

  21. Gaz

    Nov 26, 2014, 22:16 #62100

    As far as I'm concerned 6/7 years of stagnation and piss poor results have just been forgiven. I've been oh so wrong about AW and I'd like to offer my apologies to all those AKBs who've just been proven right. Only kidding of course!!! Doesn't change a thing in my book although I can't deny I thought that was a damn fine performance. What was really sad is I never really got any enjoyment from it. Oh well, at least I got 70/1 for Sanogo to score first and us to win 2-0! Only stuck a quid on it of course but 71 quid is 71 quid!!!...

  22. Th14afc

    Nov 26, 2014, 22:13 #62099

    Cometh the hour Cometh the Alexis...another worldie from the man!chambers was quality tonight....be just like arsenal to beat Dortmund and lose to west brom,we'll see

  23. Peter pan

    Nov 26, 2014, 22:12 #62098

    Typical Jeff/mgg. Cannot bare to give any credit to the team cos it hurts so bad that we have qualified for the knockout stage 15 years on the bounce. Predictions are for idiots and you keep predicting Jeff.

  24. jeff wright

    Nov 26, 2014, 22:05 #62097

    With Dortmund having more pressing problems in the Bundesliga and already having qualified with their last game at home v Anderlecht ,whom they beat 3-0 away, an home win looked likely .It doesent amount to much in the greater sceme of things though,the away game at West Brom is more important with the points needed so as we can do this farcial Wenger chasing his elusive dream in Europe again next season. That's what in reality the season is now all about. Unless you believe in fairy tales. Come on Peter pan aka ,lee KFC ,give us a prediction for the West Brom game ,before it is played instead of coming on here shouting your silly mouth off AFTER you know the result.We can all do that you idiot.

  25. gn23

    Nov 26, 2014, 22:02 #62096

    Akb's back with a bang!! Credit where its due, good result/performance..

  26. Peter pan

    Nov 26, 2014, 22:02 #62095

    Jeff aka maguirebridgegonner. Please don't keep using the word "us" cos it confuses the real fans who support the red and white. Blah blah blah

  27. AMS (Arsene Must Stay)

    Nov 26, 2014, 21:50 #62094

    Changed my mind! We just beat 16th in the Bundesliga, already qualified, Dortmund at home - Arsene must now stay! I see now that he is a genius and truly all WOBs are glory hunters and ingrates.

  28. jeff wright

    Nov 26, 2014, 21:39 #62092

    No egg on my face you berk,I tipped us to win ! No surprise though lee KFC to see you pop up to celebrate a win AFTERWARDS. You never did give us your prediction for the game though after I asked fore it several times ,did you now.

  29. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 26, 2014, 21:39 #62091

    Standing in front of the mirror putting on the make up ready for a return (check)

  30. Peter pan

    Nov 26, 2014, 21:30 #62090

    Quite a few eggs on faces and a few broken hearts from the negatives tonight. sleep tight Jeff and your crew.

  31. jjetplane

    Nov 26, 2014, 20:41 #62089

    Routers on (check) Sanogo scores (check) Cleaners have been into AKB central (check) Pictures of Usmanov everywhere with darts (check) candles lit (check) WestLower has arrived (check) Baddie running through panto (check) OGL is quietly smiling (check) Stan is on a horse (check. Is not life a precious thing.

  32. DW Thomas

    Nov 26, 2014, 20:03 #62088

    Ron, glad you're back first in full force. We have some very honest and sensible posters on here that have been patient for too long and are now calling for change, soon! Chelsea tried to play like Arsenal, but agree they saw how little they would win without a complete, defensively solid team. The power and pace of the Invincibles was what was he best about that team. They had the spine, the guile, and the grit. Wenger had a good recipe, if it was even his making, but threw it out for a smaller, less talented group. Before Matic, Chelsea had Makalele and other tough defenders. Sanogo starts over Podolski and Campbell? He really doesn't care for tactics much. At least Kos is back, but now Jack out? You can't polish a turd, but Jack was best when Cesc was here and only within the last couple seasons as his England persona has grown has he become a bratty little player. I am sure a better coach at managing big egos would have taught him to contain his ego. But when Wenger is your mentor, a father figure, isn't it no wonder Jacks confidence has outgrown his ability? Worst example of a talented player being ruined under Wenger was Arshavin. Oh there goes Sanogo, what do I know? Lets see how the game finishes. And I do want a win!

  33. jeff wright

    Nov 26, 2014, 19:27 #62086

    jjetplane , Baddie and Westie would support Kim Jong-un taking over if he kept Arsene on.Anyway even Wenger surely can't screw up the chance to beat Deutchsland's weakest side in the CL ,Chelsea thumped Schalk and City turned over Bayern,Germany calling ,Germany calling,the krauts need a moral boosting win for their national pride now . City did have Aquerio up front but fear not for Wenger has Sanago ! Cue the sound of bugle's !

  34. Ron

    Nov 26, 2014, 19:23 #62085

    DW - Hi mate. if everybody's honest they would all say that theyve been pretty impressed with what Chelsea have done in the last 10 years. OK, some of the off field stuff was a bit distasteful a few years back but all clubs have that. Mourinho likes 'style' though mate and has had style in all his teams. The difference is that he never lets style take the place of substance, its has to be secondary and used when its safe to use or at best used to enhance the substance. In short, he likes winning most. I do believe that all those notions of silky play that Abramovitch was hankering for a few years back have been put firmly into the correct place in his psyche by Mourinho. Lets face it, he only needed to ask RA to glance towards N7 to see where it takes you. They are pretty good to watch now esp if you like power and strength in your football as i do. City are good too but maybe theyve lost a bit of emphasis on the power in favour of the style hence their suffering a bit. Seeing them last night they ought to drop or get shot that little tosser Nasri. He adds as much to them as he did Arsenal, very little.

  35. jjetplane

    Nov 26, 2014, 19:22 #62084

    Talking about Wenger and how he builds sides front to back on 5 live errr and ends up with Sanogoal up front. You could not .....

  36. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 26, 2014, 19:11 #62083

    At the end of the day it's sad we're going into a CL game tonight (and I suppose you could say the same about other games)where a win will mean jack s**t.

  37. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 26, 2014, 18:56 #62082

    Maybe the old fraud will not have to rely on his get out of jail card tonight as it's been reported Klopp is to make wholesale changes, or maybe that's it.

  38. jjetplane

    Nov 26, 2014, 18:53 #62081

    JW was not so long ago WESTIE was saying what a great man Stan was. Remember WESTIE JulesD, BADARSE what a bunch ..... headgehogs and all that. You could not make it up.

  39. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 26, 2014, 18:38 #62080

    Highbury Boy, good point ref Usmanov's PR dept i'd imagine those guys would take no prisoners and OGL would last no time at all if he let them off the leash with the ammunition this old has been has given him over the seasons, one can only wonder why he hasn't.

  40. jeff wright

    Nov 26, 2014, 18:30 #62079

    Who knows what is going on with these sharks at AFC, I'm thinking that Stan might find it easier to sell his shares to Usmanov if the 4th place trophy is not there and the price is right and leave Wenger for him to sort out. It looks now as though Wenger has placed is future firmly in Stan's greedy paws and his continuing tenure with us depends solely on Stan's support . Kroenke is a vile character and he looks really stupid wearing that syrup and with the porno tash as well , to think this what our club has come down to. It makes you feel almost nostalgic for the likes of Denis Hill-wood and co!

  41. DW Thomas

    Nov 26, 2014, 18:27 #62078

    Many good thoughts today lads! Sure Cahill was a above average defender, but he is very good now. Would love to see him paired with Kos. Difference between Chelsea and us, put simply, is they have ambition. They have no gaps in their team. I have been thoroughly impressed by them this season and they play to win, not just to play pretty. That is why Mo is a winner. He doesn't care much about style, though Cesc and Hazard are great creative players. It's Matic that does it for me. He is a huge player for them. And Costa. They simply know how to win. With every good performance, not taking Cesc back just seems so stupid now. It could be twice in three seasons a former captain and great player wins the league for another PL "rival". That says everything doesnt it? Wenger saying he would bet on this team to have a very good season is his latest porpoise noise, to borrow from JW. Is he that deluded? Clueless that this is the worst start in 30+ years?? Oh, yeah, his idea of a good season is the 4th place charade. If he doesn't fix things and fast, I would bet its going to be our worst season in two decades!

  42. Highbury Boy

    Nov 26, 2014, 18:15 #62077

    Funnily enough Jeff (post 65449) I think that if we get that 4th place it is MORE likely that he will go. Stan , who is so hard up that he had to raid the piggy bank for £3m, will find it more palatable to pay Arsene compensation out of the 2015/16 CL cash he would claim he had earned. I feel that Usmanov's statement merely reflects what the vast majority feel but it show the tide has turned.

  43. jeff wright

    Nov 26, 2014, 17:55 #62075

    Highbury Boy,you make a good point about the tide turning with the emergence publicly of Usmanov's opposition to Wenger's management. King Canute could not stop the tide and neither can would be le emperor Wenger . This Usmanov factor is not something that Wenger or Stan can easily ignore as they do other critics of their mutual financial arrangement. Trying to understand Wenger's rambling discourses is often like listening to the secret language of Dolphins, but he was forced to try and give a rational explanation as to why the second largest shareholder at AFC and one, unlike Silent Stan, who actually watches football, is critical of his management and says that he ( Wenger ) has to admit to making mistakes. Well no sign of that ever happening because Wenger does not believe that he makes any,it's always someone else's fault,the Euro crisis was even used once by him to justify not spending any money. I still believe though that Wenger has to get that CL place again next term to keep his job,he already has the cash , whereas last season with his contract running out he was not secure in that aspect and the money side of things obviously plays a big part in his 'loyalty' to the club. Losing tonight will upset some supporters but it's not from Stan's point off view a disaster because the big bucks group TV cash is safely in his bin . Dropping points away to West Brom will cause a concern though if another 'accident happens' or we 'dominate the game' and lose , because every point is needed in the Prem to help bring in that CL money again next season,and on and on it goes,yawn.

  44. Seven Kings Gooner

    Nov 26, 2014, 16:54 #62074

    DWT : Cahill would have been a good buy but he would not have become the player he now is at Chelsea. Mourinho has improved him better than I thought possible but there again Chelsea don't allow their defenders to be outnumbered 2-1 (like Rooney's goal last Saturday) There are very few great defenders who could do a job at Arsenal because we just don't have a plan when we lose possession. I wrote to Arsenal years back about Neuer and Hummels and on another occasion I wrote and urged them to buy Alonso, imagine those three, with a real coach and Cesc back in the fray! Ron ; Do agree about the lack of physical statue in the side - I think Fellini is the kind of player we need for a short term fix to put a bit of grunt in the midfield. PS: I don't write anymore letters to AFC.

  45. blair207

    Nov 26, 2014, 16:48 #62073

    You could well be right about the financial reasons why Wenger appears to be safe. Perhaps Stan hasn't got the foresight to see that non qualification for the Champions league next season would be a calamity given that the financial rewards increase dramatically next year. The knock on effect on the supporters and players morale combined with the reduced attractiveness of the club to top drawer players would be disaster.

  46. goonergocarpfishing

    Nov 26, 2014, 16:42 #62072

    i gave and no doubt plenty of arsenal fans did aswell wenger and the club the first few seasons after moving grounds to maybe not be as competative in the league,cups europe and the transfer market.bit sureley now for the past 4 seasons or so we can no longer find any reasons to defend this totaly out of touch and clueless manager who has his ready made speaches to defend his incompatance,attitude,team spirit,togetherness,fight and my favourite resilience......what a pile of crap then via club or manager pressure players who no doubt are as f....d off as we are are wheeled out to read out the same speach.i am sure that wenger has not only lost us the fans but the dressing room too including the backroom staff as bouldy looks as interested as we do .the thing is he wont change or adapt his thoughts or style of play just look how GG changed his way in europe after losing to Benfica at home and in a short space of time we won the cup winners cup ,he has to go is as simple as that,i think losing the players was no more evidant then when im sure RVP made his decision to leave when we all watched him shake his head and swear at if i remember correctley the ox being taken off vs man ure.i dont want my .sorry our club to lose tonight i just want wenger humiliated thats all.GET THOS BANNERS UP WENGER OUT NOW

  47. jjetplane

    Nov 26, 2014, 16:35 #62071

    See Dortmund were practicing in Regent's Park today and English fans are rushing to their home games that are costing all in cheaper than going to the boring boring Emir.....s. if though they are heving a tough time in the league they have 20 thou still singing after a match with Klopp and the players staying on the pitch for 5 mins in awe of their support. I ****ing love Klopp! He is funny, innovative, interesting whereas Wenger is rude, arrogant selfish. Imagine him hanging around on the pitch for 5 minutes after saturday's 'total domination wherein they lost again' and RVP touched the ball 12 times and little Jack forgot his stilts. ****ing circus. Also enjoyed watching Chelski and Citeh and good luck to them both 'cause it is the AKBs who hate everyone and the WOBs who enjoy football wholesale. The measure of Arsenal's 'dominating possession' can be summed up by little Jack's attempt to chin (sic) Fellaini and his reaction. One of pity. Turd is the wurd. Good old football and Fabregas has never rightfully been better and Terry is like Adams in 98. Come on you bitter little AKBs .... Up the ****ing real Arsenal! Great spot MG on CRACKER! had an inkling ...

  48. Danny

    Nov 26, 2014, 16:32 #62070

    I believe Wenger is luckiest coach in the world to be at a club that has no ambition. Monaco found him out early and got rid of him. He is the Teflon Don of modern football and will come out this mess smelling of Roses by beating Dortmund tonight. I hope this does not happen, but this is Wenger.

  49. Highbury Boy

    Nov 26, 2014, 16:15 #62069

    I hate to break it to you Wenger Out (post 65426) that humiliations don't work. He lost 6-0 at Chelsea on his 1,000 match and he had his excuses ready. Also DWT (post 65439) a beating tonight won't make any difference as we could still get out of the Group if the other match ends in a draw. I take more comfort from Usmanov's PR Department. The tide has definitely turned there.

  50. Ron

    Nov 26, 2014, 16:11 #62067

    DW - A lot say that we have the players to do well under a new Coach and you may be right. Possibilities are Chambers and Giroud (he has his detractors but he s far from gutless). Im not a big Ramsey fan. His little purple patch flattered to deceive. Wellbeck seems a lovely lad but if Arsenal are going to do some thing they need far better than he offers. I think Wilshere is very overrated and seems an injury prone, turd of a little man to be honest. Cazorla would lead the queue heading for the door for me mate and Walcott would follow. We missed a trick not selling him long ago when Liverpool were chomping at the bit for him allegedly. Would have been useful make weight to swing a deal for Suarez perhaps. Im maybe over the top a bit but i honestly cant see any of the present crop surviving long under a top calibre Coach. He d have to work with most of them for now though wouldn't he and time would tell. Cant truly see any of them showing to another Coach what we ve not seen already. Of course, save for Giroud the squad lacks badly in physical prowess and its half the trouble there. I know my take on them is very disparaging but for me, its the weakest squad since the early to mid 80s, both in talent and physicality.There are a raft of shrinking violets in that squad and in today's PL, its no good. Id truly like to think that youre view of them proves me wrong though.

  51. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 26, 2014, 15:57 #62066

    DWT, just give them a week with George Graham.

  52. DW Thomas

    Nov 26, 2014, 15:50 #62065

    Ron. Agree with you many many times on here. But I think these players under a new coach with a new captain and tactics, could be very good. Any player that doesn't cut it right away, git rid. Wenger's comments about Usmanovs statements I understand. He's defending his Empire. But he doesn't face facts or ever really say he will correct things. He just makes excuse after excuse and that's the biggest reason why change is needed. I believe even Nacho and Per with Gibbs and Chambers could do a solid job if coached better. The team needs toughening up all around. No more turning backs on crosses and shots. When a good player is available, win means, buy him. Fabregas, Hazard, Cahill, and many others were let go and they all are a great players. I just don't think Wenger has any idea anymore of how to win in the modern game. It's not just lack of money holding him back! Not when you lose to Swansea and others from winning positions, especially at home. The core is still good. Ramsey can come back, Cazorla should be better, Wilshere can learn discipline, etc. etc. just not under our current coach. Sure we need more players to complete the team, but we are and have been close to a top side again with just 2-4 additions. Even one winning type mentality player could change everything. Even Suarez would have made a huge difference last year had he been a Gunner. Despite his biting antics, he was the caliber player we needed, but Monsieur Excuses couldn't get him and we failed again,last season. Off work today and watching the Dortmund game at home. Excited, but should we lose it could spell a real start to Wenger's end at the club!

  53. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 26, 2014, 15:33 #62064

    Do you really have to ask why? what about arrogance, egoism, when it's clear the team need something, certain player/players and everyone knows it, and the fans want it, and are calling for it and they won't/don't get it, i know best mentality. Little is going to change alright especially where preparation is concerned and coaching so lets hope the old fraud doesn't coach Alexis's application and abilities out of him to soon, and he continues to not understand him for a while longer.

  54. Ron

    Nov 26, 2014, 15:01 #62061

    SKG - So true. Do many realise it though? A new Coach will in my view need a new squad there wholesale. Assuming Sanchez does go unless change at the Club says otherwise, theres not a player there who d be missed too much and the whole job lot are tainted with surrender and victim mentality so tolerated by Wenger for so long..

  55. Seven Kings Gooner

    Nov 26, 2014, 14:19 #62056

    I think Alexis will be gone pretty soon - he must already know that the team is not geared up to win major trophies. "Operation youth" when announced in 2006 was really a name given for a "Black Friday" style clear out to maximize all Arsenal's playing assets. Wenger bought average players and told us they were great, and when he bought dross the mugs amongst us thought he would turn them into world beaters. The board never imagined they would get away with it for so long. Older fans saw through this very earlier on, others have taken longer. Whenever Wenger leaves, it is going to take many seasons to install a winning mentality back into the club, as so much would need changing, that assumes of course that anybody at board level would sanction those changes - good times are certainly not just round the corner.

  56. jjetplane

    Nov 26, 2014, 14:09 #62054

    What is quite funny is that the hook for this piece is Sanchez. He has done very well up to now but remember he is first and foremost a team player (see the Chile performances) and he has now walked into the the complete opposite of a squad that is not the sum of it's parts. people readily accept that Ozil will not be around much longer and he too is a class act that is only effective in a strong team (see Germany). Sanchez you may have heard is also a bit of a playboy and is now a gossip target of the likes of the Mail. That poor pass on Saturday may well prove a turn in his form so it will be interesting to see whether he scores tonight. it would not suprise me to see him move into the kind of shadows Cazorla is occupying on a continual basis now. Add too the disturbing regression of Ramsey from last season and you see a supposed manager who apparently loves individual expression on the pitch having a series of players whose creative talents are melting away by the match. As RON as said, time for Ali to be the leader and the rest and most of the E.......s infrastructure to be stripped down and rebuilt. If it takes a few years so be it but at the moment just inching in front of the Spuds (who are terrible and on the same points) is hardly what is going to keep this Arsenal viable. Now it will be an apathetic non-tussle to see who can simply be the worst and not the better. Good thing the tourists don't read beyond the tags of their purchases, they might just feel affronted and in our case, angry and shouting for total change. Wenger is nothing more than an opportunist who happened to wash up in London. That does not make him an Arsenal man. George Graham is still more Arsenal than he is.

  57. TJ

    Nov 26, 2014, 14:04 #62053

    Firstly, Wenger has not given us stability. We have been lucky to make even 4th place for the last three seasons thanks to David Moyes, AVB and Harry Redknapp spurning their clubs' far better chances (due to stronger squads). As for the money argument, Arsenal DID spend big money- he spent £25m on Gervinho and AOC when thinking Fabregas and Nasri were staying, so don't argue that we haven't had any money. We've all seen the Hill-Wood quote that assured everyone that all the money player sales was available for reinvestment. Also, people conveniently ignore that we paid £30m circa in wages to Bendtner, Denilson etc. who guaranteed that we made massive operating losses, requiring us to sell first team players. Another problem is that you say Wenger might be under pressure to keep money in reserve... Well what about the £42m on Ozil? He went into the season without buying anyone and after the crowd turned on him the board and owner publicized the transfer as their work. Same goes for Welbeck, a late panic buy just like Arteta, Mertesacker etc. He [Wenger] doesn't have accurate judgement of the squad- he can't see that we're lucky to scrape to 4th, only because of the weakness of other teams. Until he leaves we will never see the holes in the squad filled with the available money.

  58. Wenger Out

    Nov 26, 2014, 13:52 #62052

    Agree hope Dortmund destroy Arsenal again tonight. Want to see Wenger humiliated.

  59. Tony Evans

    Nov 26, 2014, 13:36 #62048

    Chris Dee - I couldn't agree more.

  60. AMG

    Nov 26, 2014, 13:34 #62047

    A spanking from 16th place Dortmund tonight and surely Wonga is done for - Bring in Klopp ASAP (I know he's taken his Dortmund side to 16th, but there are many factors associated with that). Even now I love the brand of football Dortmund play, it's aggressive and demonstrates an incredible work rate and motivation. Do you think Klopp would sit on his hands looking pained while Mertesacker does his impression of a right winger? Do you think Klopp would persist with Monreal at centre-back while he has a CB at RB and a RB on the bench? Have a word tonight Ivan!

  61. chris dee

    Nov 26, 2014, 13:17 #62044

    We did not require Ozil or Sanchez for a combined 75 million quid. We required a world class keeper,a competent centre half, and two midfielder's with a tiny bit of combativness and defensive intelligence,plus a left back who can play more than 6 games without being injured. Oh yes, and a manager who can organise his defence better than a Sunday League manager. What players?There are many, but it's not my job and I'm not being paid £8 million to find them

  62. Spectrum

    Nov 26, 2014, 13:00 #62042

    “Do you like that everybody says that you are stupid? That is part of it, you learn to cope with it, you believe in what you think is right,” he said." You don't see that YOU'RE the problem, do you, Wenger ? That's why he hasn't resigned. To him, our problems are the fault of everyone and everything else. He says "....you believe in what you think is right....". That means that he can't see that what he's doing isn't working, and therefore he'll just keep banging his ( and our ) heads against a wall until ( in his deluded mind ) the wall falls down. “.....I am just frustrated and sad that people who love this club do not get the results they deserve and want.....". Again this illustrates how out of touch he is. WHY don't we get the results we deserve and want ? Because of YOUR stubborness. YOUR negligence. YOUR incompetence. YOUR failure to utilise the resources at your disposal. YOUR tactical cluelessness, and YOUR refusal to listen to advice from others. Then he desperately appeals for us to "get behind the team", show "solidarity". How many times have we heard him say that over the last ten years of fiascos ? It's not time for "solidarity". It's far too late for that, because you've blown our league season already ( yet again ! ). No, it's TIME FOR CHANGE. Long OVERDUE change. If you had any self respect left Wenger, then hand in your resignation and p*ss off to another club where you can undermine their ambitions. You've done enough damage to ours as it is. " In Arsene we rust."

  63. Ron

    Nov 26, 2014, 12:58 #62041

    Wenger's salary refects his agreement a decade ago to forget football as his priority and replace it with number crunching. He agreed to be the lightening conductor for the Board when the going got tough. This is why hes wheeled out to face the flak and they get none. For 8 million notes, he couldnt give a fook what people say or think as long as they turn up for the match day experience. Sanchez? He wont be there long if he has any sense and anyway, the offers will come in from abroad soon enough and Wenger and that Board will love it when they do. Who else is there to sell for top money now? He ll go down as another Wenger 'success' in being bought and sold for profit.

  64. Bob

    Nov 26, 2014, 12:58 #62040

    "The board feel indebted to Wenger for delivering what they want – financial stability and profit - and one has to wonder if a part of this is the man’s willingness to operate under specific restrictions." You've hit the nail on the head - it's an unholy alliance between a foreign owner who wants to invest as little as he can get away with in the team and a failing manager who is happy to be paid an inflated salary to operate within those restrictions. Any manager with a sense of pride or ambition would have refused to operate under such constraints long ago.