Out of the mouth of fledglings

Wenger apologists are running out of excuses



Out of the mouth of fledglings


You may justify Arsenal lagging behind Chelsea and Manchester City in the Premiership title race due to the seemingly unlimited transfer and wage budgets subsidised by the free spending billionaire owners of the petrodollar clubs but, at the time of writing Arsenal sit four points adrift of West Ham United and two off Southampton in the Premier League table. The Gunners have an inferior goal difference to both of the aforementioned teams having conceded 21 goals to West Ham’s 19 and Southampton’s 13 respectively. This simply isn’t anywhere near good enough for a club of Arsenal’s stature and clearly demonstrates that the size of your owner’s wallet is not the only factor that dictates your club’s place in the Premiership pecking order within the modern game.

Injuries may well have hampered Arsenal’s season so far but this is why you need to ensure adequate cover for every position in your playing squad by utilising the summer transfer window effectively and we would do well to consider the fact that West Ham have been without Andy Carroll for large parts of this season and Jay Rodriguez is still yet to feature for Southampton this season.

So my fellow Gooners, we must ask ourselves why on earth Arsenal F.C. are struggling to keep up with teams who are operating on far inferior budgets and who have not qualified for the Champions League once since its inception? The only logical answer to that question is that Arsenal currently has a manager who is not able to get the most out of the resources made available to him by his board of directors/majority shareholder.

Arsene Wenger was allowed to spend £42 million on Mesut Ozil, £16 million on Danny Welbeck and £32 million on Alexis Sanchez respectively; so the days of the Frenchman being able to plead poverty are well and truly behind him now and the real reasons for his consistent failure to mount a sustained title challenge are finally being discussed openly in the mainstream media for all to see. As much as I despised Gary Neville as a player, I cannot deny that the man knows his football and I for one agreed with him when he said after the latest shambolic performance at Anfield "Arsenal were tactically all over the place on Sunday and in the big matches, teams slice through their midfield like a knife through butter. They have too many technical players who don't have bite. For as much as Liverpool outplayed them yesterday, Arsenal were terrible in midfield from a competitive point of view, and from stopping the opposition playing." Neville singled out the performance of Arsenal midfielder Mathieu Flamini in Sunday's game at Anfield, with the Sky Sports pundit arguing the Frenchman concentrated more on his team-mates' performance than his own duties on the pitch. But the former England defender was more concerned with the nature of the 'big' games he has witnessed in recent months in the Premier League. "Flamini throughout the game was a commentator, pointing and shouting at everybody," Neville added."He looks to do every other person's job for them but the one job he's there to do, stopping the ball getting played into midfield, he failed to do regularly. I don't think he's got the quality to look after everybody else's job and look after his own as well. Flamini neither screens nor presses. Top midfield players screen well and press well. No one appears to be listening to Flamini. I don't see anybody reacting to what he's saying. I left Anfield on Sunday immensely disappointed, as I have with many of the big games this season, because there isn't the intensity or the willingness to stop the opposition playing. I feel like we're being brainwashed into thinking teams have got to be either technical or horrible to play against. The best teams in the world are horrible to play against. You're not going to win the league or Champions League just by having technical players; you have to have a team of balance."

You can’t really argue with his comments and it made me think about the comments of another one of “Fergie’s Fledglings” (Paul Scholes) made back in March of this year, He said: “It was a typical week for Arsenal. For one reason or another players just seem to go missing. The Artetas, the Cazorlas, Rosickys, and Özil as well, although I know he’s not played for a bit, it seems like they go on the pitch with no discipline. It’s almost as if they say: ‘you four, five midfielders, go out there do what you want. Try and score a goal, a few little nice one-twos, a bit of tippy-tappy football. Don’t bother running back. I don’t know if that’s what the manager does, it just seems that way. They just seem to be midfield players with no discipline. There are no leaders, there’s no Patrick Vieira, there’s no (Tony) Adams, there’s no Martin Keown. Sometimes, as a midfield player, when you’re up against it you have to say: ‘look, just come in here, sit beside me for five or 10 minutes and just try to stop the flow of attack’. These, they go 2-0 down, they just carry on what they are doing: ‘We’ll have a little walk upfield, lose the ball, play a nice little one-two and not even bother sprinting back’ – and you wonder why they are in the position they are in. I know they are third or fourth in the league but they are a million miles away in my eyes. When we played Arsenal it was really tough. You play Arsenal now, you think just get stuck in and you’ve won the game.”

So there we have two former England internationals, who have won Champions League and Premier League medals far too often for our liking saying exactly what many hardcore Arsenal fans who know their football have been saying for years. Where is the shape, discipline, desire and determination? Why are Arsenal constantly repeating the same mistakes over and over again?

Why do Arsenal no longer have tough men in their squad like Tony Adams, Patrick Vieira, Martin Keown, Emmanuel Petit or Sol Campbell?

I think the T.V. pundits are being diplomatic in their criticism of Arsenal and Arsene Wenger because Wenger has managed to achieve an almost saintly halo of protection around him due to his length of service and past achievements but we the fans should be strong enough to discuss his obvious flaws as a coach even if it does get us a smack in the face from one of his brainwashed acolytes. There is nothing more painful than the truth for some people and if you are a Wenger apologist then I suggest you take a deep breath now.

Arsenal actually needed two centre halves in the summer transfer window because Per Mertesacker is a has-been and should be the third choice centre half at the very best. He constantly lets us down in the big matches against decent opposition and he has about as much pace as a two legged donkey. He has the turning circle of an articulated lorry and is basically just not athletic or tough enough. We also needed a fourth choice centre half because I don’t think Arsenal should be playing full backs in central defence. What must George Graham be thinking of all this I wonder?

Flamini and Arteta are also has-beens and should be back up to someone like Sami Khedira because their legs have gone and they don’t win enough tackles in the middle of the park. You can’t win titles without ball winners and box to box midfielders but it seems that Arsene Wenger is determined to be the first man to do it.

Arsene Wenger inexplicably plays inexperienced kids like Joel Campbell, Gedion Zelalem and Yaya Sanogo instead of seasoned professionals like Lukas Podolski and Tomas Rosicky. He then wonders why the team can’t work things out for themselves on the pitch when things are going wrong! Both of these players have been criminally underused this season and they can’t be expected to play at their natural level without at least a good 30 minutes of competitive football every 2-3 weeks.

Arsenal can’t attack or defend set pieces simply because they don’t practice them enough. Zonal marking is a joke because space has never once scored a goal and when your £32million Chilean genius can’t beat the first defender with his delivery from the flag, questions should be raised about the training methods, in my opinion.

The overall lack of discipline and organisation is there for all to see and when Southampton and West Ham are more organised and effective than we are you have to wonder if Jürgen Klopp or Pep Guardiola are available in the summer. Surely they couldn’t do any worse?

Arsenal fans deserve more than we are currently getting for our money and we certainly don’t deserve to be watching a team that has so much attacking promise in the form of Sanchez, Giroud, Podolski, Walcott, Cazorla, Ramsey, Ozil and Welbeck and yet so little overall defensive discipline that it makes us want to punch each other in the face rather than watch the horror show unfold before our eyes.


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  1. Mark T

    Dec 28, 2014, 10:12 #64058

    Brilliant article. I'm leaving to go to West Ham soon and expecting another disaster. I'm sure we'll make them look like Real Madrid.

  2. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 27, 2014, 13:11 #64026

    Hiccup, just as amazing is he's still not doing it with us.

  3. Joe Fitzpatrick

    Dec 27, 2014, 11:25 #64014

    So glad to see super Tom starting a match for the 1st time this season! Giroud was stupid but why did the QPR player have to go down like he'd been shot? Also why was there no action against Ferdinand for grabbing Giroud around the neck? I called the 2-1 win, nice little return for Christmas! I was sweating a bit towards the end and delighted to hear the final whistle.

  4. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Dec 27, 2014, 8:39 #64002

    I just seen the highlights. I hope everyone was singing "QPR QPR QPR" in that high falsetto like we used to at Highbury. Zamora's was a stonewall penalty, according to that tactical genius Redknapp. Strange how Zamora didn't even complain to the ref about it hmmmmm. Why not ask him how his team was still outplayed even by 10 men. Anyway, the Chinese water torture continues.

  5. Hiccup

    Dec 27, 2014, 6:55 #64001

    lab. Jamie May be a troll, but please make allowances for his night time posts. He's usually intoxicated, so his nonsense becomes even more nonsensical.

  6. ljb

    Dec 27, 2014, 2:48 #64000

    Jamie you are definately a troll.Anyone who calls RVP,Nasri and Cesc deadwood and claims that United and Chelsea are hoofball teams when the current Arsenal team plays the worst football since Terry Neills day has to be on a wind up.

  7. JAMIE

    Dec 27, 2014, 1:12 #63999

    MARCUS is a typical anti Wenger fool who loves to spout negatives all day to win the applause of the wob boneheads.He always uses the word 'our' instead of 'are'which makes him sound even more idiotic than he is,as if he comes from the West country or some red neck from the American deep south.For his kind Wenger never does anything right,even though he shifted off dead wood like Sagna,Clichy,Nasri,Van Perse strings and Fabrecash who now ply their trade at defensive hoofballers like chavski and manure,so more gifted players like Sanchez,Wilshere,Carzorla and Koskielney can take center stage,yet they conveniently forget that.

  8. Th14afc

    Dec 27, 2014, 1:12 #63998

    Ron- I know what u mean,not a big fan of flamini either...I hope we get that schneiderlin (don't know if thats spelt right) he seems quality,he's at a good age & he won't be cup tied for champs league,prob won't happen tho

  9. WENGER MUST GO ASAP(MARCUS)

    Dec 26, 2014, 23:36 #63997

    Well, well we got lucky today l. QPR our a absolutely dreadful team. I fear for Rednapp who is a decent chap. They still looked terrible even with a man advantage!!! Against a better team we would have lost or got a draw. Also Giroud where do I start with that clown. Whenever he misses he does the usual puff of the cheeks routine and hair pulling. What an average striker at best!!! The clown Wenger looked so desperate on the touch line he knows he's under pressure big time. Even though he's trying to hide it and act like he's not. The worst start to a season in 32 years folks, and some fools still think we our not worst off from last season. Also I'm I the only one who has noticed the empty seats over the last couple home matches??? Kronke has to go so does Wenger!!!! The key is us not getting top 4!!! I actually hope we don't. Tired of the groundhog nonsense. We need a change

  10. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Dec 26, 2014, 21:03 #63996

    Peeps the league sucks no matter what Jim White says. I see West Ham, and fair play to them, they up there by results, today made to look like mugs by a fair to middling Chelsea. If we have to be the fourth best of a mediocre bunch then so be it. But English football still remains 20 years behind Europe.

  11. JAMIE

    Dec 26, 2014, 21:00 #63995

    DW.Because I'm free from following holidays and special days you call me a wind up merchant.I'm free from foolish traditions now run along and go make your wife her tea ,while I sit here relaxing with my cool beer.

  12. Ron

    Dec 26, 2014, 20:53 #63994

    th14 - Flamini was no different. He was just up against his level of opponent today. QPR are the type of team Flamini should be playing for, not against.

  13. Th14afc

    Dec 26, 2014, 19:51 #63992

    Arsenal wud have won this comfortably if it wasn't for the stupidity of giroud & now he's banned for 3 massive games....great to see rosicky playing & having a good game,m not a big flamini fan but credit where it's due he played well today...Alexis was quality again,rubbish penalty tho!

  14. DW Thomas

    Dec 26, 2014, 19:38 #63990

    How about Rosicky? A slap in the face for OGL and we almost gave it away to the poorest team I've seen in long time! Traore, a former Arsenal castoff showed why we let him go. Gave us both goals. Tripped Alexis for the penalty and went to sleep on the second one having hours to cover Sanchez. Giroud a moment of madness! But we have the mental strength! Again, Rosicky should be starting now. But what happens when Jack and Ramsey come back? Or the Ox? Rosicky with Sanchez would be a ton of hard work all game every game. But, no, our clueless manager puts everyone now ahead of him! A loyal servant again is hung out to dry while other less experienced lazier players start in front of him. Now the managers favorite lad is out for 3 games suspended! Good luck the next 3 games!

  15. Hiccup

    Dec 26, 2014, 19:37 #63989

    Truly amazing how Traore is still making a living as a professional footballer? Still a consistent liability. For all the dross that wenger has let loose on the pitch, he never gets the acclaim for finding some other mug that is happy to take said dross off our hands. Well done mr wenger.

  16. reboot

    Dec 26, 2014, 19:23 #63988

    Two positives from that game. We won and I´ve now seen a team that's more shambolic than this current Arsenal side.

  17. DW Thomas

    Dec 26, 2014, 18:51 #63987

    Jamie king muppet and windup merchant, you gotta be a troll. Can't take anything you say seriously. Your love for OGL and comments about the holidays only reinforce how truly deluded is the AKBs thinking. It's imbecilic comments like yours that perpetuate the regime currently in control of our club. You don't do "sentimental celebrations" huh? Must be why 4th place is your favorite trophy and celebrations like that one a few years ago where the team celebrated like they won the league is what you prefer. Moronic!

  18. Danny

    Dec 26, 2014, 16:14 #63986

    Looks like a Arsenal win tonight and the AKB clowns will be out in force did anyone see Chelsea play. We use to be like that 10yrs ago. Mourinho is the special one and Wenger the specialist in Failure!

  19. Ken

    Dec 26, 2014, 15:42 #63985

    JAMIE- Wouldn't do to let the Season of Goodwill get in the way of your sentimental devotion to your own idol, eh?

  20. JAMIE

    Dec 26, 2014, 15:02 #63983

    Good on yer Finsbury Joe for not doing Christmas,I don't celebrate any special days birthdays,Easter,anniversaries and all that guff especially not some idol day created by some wicked pope.Used to get me in trouble in my younger days with women loving all that present and card crap then I found a women who thinks the same way as me.Leave the sentimental celebrations to silly women,kids and effeminate's.Off now for a few beers and then hopefully a big win.

  21. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 26, 2014, 14:39 #63982

    Don't celebrate Xmas but celebrate the biggest Santa claus and Fairy tale of them all, arsene wenger. You couldn't make it up.

  22. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 26, 2014, 14:28 #63981

    The AKB'S have been very quiet for a few days i'm sure they'll be back and have a lot more to say around 8'oClock tonight.

  23. WENGER MUST GO ASAP(MARCUS)

    Dec 26, 2014, 13:14 #63980

    Akbs our like Liverpool fans. They both live in the past smh. Wenger fanboys our a great example. This folks believe that Wenger should be in the job until he dies, because he won the pl 3 times. With the last one coming 10 years ago!!! That is just a joke. If that is not living in the past what is???

  24. Bard

    Dec 26, 2014, 13:00 #63979

    Morning campers, good to see the humour is still alive and well. Thanks Jamie for that post, it had me in stitches as did your riposte Hiccup. I also saw the Wengerbite about injuries holding us back, back from what I asked myself ? Anyway Cannon fodder back on the menu this afternoon so we should get some respite from the doom and gloom unless we play with the handbrake on wherever that is. Go easy on Westie aka the black knight he can't help it. The misses will give him plenty if he falls out of line.

  25. Badarse

    Dec 26, 2014, 12:21 #63978

    'It's dark in here, min.'-'Did you say that, Eccles?'- 'I think it was me, but I can't see if I did, it's too dark in here, min.'-'Why are we inside this big box, Neddy?'-'It's Boxing Day, of course, aha.-'I can see through this hole,'-'It's not an eyehole Eccles, it's an air hole'-'Oh that explains why my hair is getting in the way.-'What's that at the end of the fence, Bluebottle?-'It's the last post, Eccles.'-'What are you playing on the bugle, Major Bloodnok?-'It's hell in here!'-'He's not playing that, it's the last post, Eccles.'-'Oh min, we never got Henry's spare table leg he was sending.'-'Wait Eccles, it's under the postman's arm, he is coming up the path.'-'Oh Bluebottle, then is it the last post?'-'Yes my little friend, it definitely is the last post!'

  26. Hiccup

    Dec 26, 2014, 7:43 #63977

    Ron, absolutely spot on about Westie. I honestly don't know why he bothers posting on here, because there is no substance or points to his posts. If we were bottom of the league with nil points he would still argue that to change the manager now would be detrimental. Just like changing manager now would scupper our chances of finishing 4th, he would argue only wenger could keep us up if we were bottom. I don't know if is just wenger though? If the tea lady was running the show I still think he would be like a scratched record? Just get behind her because moaning won't help and leave it to the board. This is a forum for opinions, but anything negative is sneered upon by the AKB's. These guys have no breaking point as to what failure is. Just stop moaning and let wenger get on with f@cking it up. So why do they bother? I think Joe's spot on. It is just trolling.

  27. Hiccup

    Dec 26, 2014, 7:31 #63976

    So Jamie realised Santa Claus was just a fallacy ten years ago. This proves there is still hope for the guy. The next step is to come to terms that there is no such thing as the Tooth Fairy as well. That's the hard work. But once that's been accomplished, realising wenger is a has been should fall in to place. Mind you, I won't hold my breath...

  28. divingrooney

    Dec 26, 2014, 6:00 #63975

    To each his own. Black scarf movement failed, the current mood will only improve when the full team is back on the pitch. Till then, "boo" your hearts out. Life's frustrations can be taken out only on footballers. I now understand it, but in the end its just football, for me. Forget the bad, enjoy the rest. We drew away at Anfield, not a bad result. And only results matter....

  29. DW Thomas

    Dec 26, 2014, 4:02 #63974

    Again and again OGL spins things. Injuries, the WC. Etc. blah blah blah. We are now a team of wannabes, also rans, wimps, and brittle bottlers. I used to love my weekly dose of watching Arsenal, but my passion has been eroded by Monsieur Excuses. Give him more time. We need a call for change. Improved players, honest commentary, hard work, grit, mettle, hearts on the sleeve. Maybe I am a dreamer or idealist, but it is possible. It's just the alternative to what we currently have. Not good enough!

  30. danny

    Dec 26, 2014, 1:03 #63973

    Looks like our fearless leader is already making excuses and saying we have not gone backwards but injuries are costly us Do you really think, players like Arteta and the sleazy turk OZIL is going o make us better – delusional!! If only the board had a spine and sack him

  31. Ron

    Dec 26, 2014, 0:41 #63972

    Unchives - the AKB s do accept commercialism as the main driving force for football as you say. However, its main use for them is as a tool to defend their irrational love for a Coach they think they 'know' or are they re some how personally involved and attuned too. Its a strange phenomaena. Read the posts of Weste. Im pare we could lose 20 matches 5-0, Wenger could be arrested as Jimmy Savilles chauffeur whilst shooting horses as his part time hobby and he d still shout 'be careful what you wish for' in the face of a call to remove him. He also hides behind the fall back position of 'nothings going to change so there's no point calling for change'mantra but this view is only adopted for self reassurance reasons and to disguise his relief that precious Arsene will be with him to cuddle up too for some time yet. Its a deep seated fear of change in my opinion. Im not singling out Westie for the sake of it, as there are many who hide in the same way. Its just that Westie is one of them who are on here. Hope youve all had a good Xmas guys.

  32. Joe Fitzpatrick

    Dec 25, 2014, 23:10 #63971

    @Finsbury Joe- fair point about the Elves, apparently they're really hardworking too! LMAO

  33. Danny

    Dec 25, 2014, 22:27 #63970

    This January is going the most important month of Wenger’s career. If he does not get a decent World class defender and midfielder, he be finished at the end of the season So far the fans are 50-30% and the 20 % sitting on the fence watching and see if we improve I believe the French clown is so arrogant and will only buy a 16yr and sell Campbell and Podolski I can’t wait for the end of the year to see the **** hit the fan against the clown

  34. Decay

    Dec 25, 2014, 22:16 #63969

    I fear an aging Dictator will drag our club into the abyss. we are so weak this year and i dont see it changing 2H season. I cant watch the away matches as time and again we are just so poor. if i was sanchez id bugger off at end of season and go to PSG. Wenger is an Academic. he is not a real football manager who studies tactics, knows the other team and focuses on winning. he thinks he is a football guru when in reality football sees him as a well spoken soft 2nd rate loser. hes no good for the EPL

  35. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 25, 2014, 21:53 #63968

    Unchives, Celtic would the perfect job for TOF it's made for him, as you say he wouldn't have to be any good or wouldn't half to be able to motivate players or know anything about tactics, just tell them to go out and play he wouldn't have to buy or need world class players, wouldn't have to blame everybody else or have excuses for embarrassments and humiliations as he wouldn't need any because they'd never happen as all the other teams would just roll over and let him and the team tickle them all to death. And there'd never be another nine years of winning fook all there'd be all those Scottish championships and Cups and TOF would be in his glory with his sly grin telling everyone how hard they were to win and how it took great speeritt and mental strength.

  36. Unchives

    Dec 25, 2014, 20:49 #63967

    What stuns me with the AKBs in general is that they accept football is now a commercial business, particularly @ Arsenal PLC, as we have the highest ticket prices in world football, now the 3rd highest player wages in the premiership, one of the highest paid managers in world football, the most expensive stadium food & hospitality, a kit they produce abroad for a bowl of rice, that we pay £55 for, yet we are vilified for expecting to win trophies for our money.You couldn't make it up.

  37. Finsbury Joe

    Dec 25, 2014, 19:58 #63966

    Surprised Stan Kronke has not bought the rights to Christmas Day, the two would be well suited. Presumably elves earn less than the living wage?

  38. DW Thomas

    Dec 25, 2014, 18:37 #63965

    Just opened a bunch of gifts with my family! I respect anybody that does their own thing this holiday season, but man you guys sound grumpy! Bah Humbug Jamie! I do take issue with calling today silly though. Not nearly as silly as a slavish following to OGL! Can't wait for the game tomorrow. Joe, agree we need a new midfield enforcer, but if the team as a whole played with Flamini's or Sanchez's enthusiasm, we'd win a lot more! Arteta for me is the slowest of our over the hill gang, yet keeps his place over Rosicky and others who could do a better job in my opinion. And now Wenger is saying Per needs a rest and is coming back to form? After ducking that corner? Man our manager will defend any bad performer won't he? And that is a big part of the problems with our club.

  39. Alan Cooper

    Dec 25, 2014, 17:50 #63964

    A 60-year supporter, I can't but agree with most of the comments in this article. I'd add that I have serious doubts about our training methods - why are so many players spending more time on the physiotherapist's table than on the park? Other teams get injuries, but not to our extent. And yes, Wenger, stop buying forward players, offload some players in January and make the best of the talent we have left. PLUS buy two defensive mid-fielders. You'll never get the likes of Viera and Petit again, but there are plenty of players out there looking for a transfer. Do it before we descend back into that dark days of the Sixties.

  40. Finsbury Joe

    Dec 25, 2014, 13:36 #63963

    Joe, great article by the way. Not trolling, just say it as is. Not interested in any religious, pseudo religious or neo pagan festivals, nor do I buy into the rampant commercialism or peer pressure that binds itself to this one especially. The only good thing about Christmas Day is Dec 26th. Just looking forward to the football tomorrow.

  41. Joe Fitzpatrick

    Dec 25, 2014, 13:31 #63962

    JAMIE and Finsbury Joe- You guys are the most dedicated trolls I've ever seen! hat's off to you! why is it that neither of you celebrate Christmas? do you celebrate any religious festivals? trolling on Christmas day! I wish our defence and midfield showed half as much commitment as you lads!

  42. Finsbury Joe

    Dec 25, 2014, 13:02 #63961

    Arsenal fans, like voters deserve what get, and get what they deserve. Arsenal are wedded to mediocrity from the owner throughout to the manager, the players and fanbase. I would imagine even the tea lady has average written all over her, if she didn't, wenger would have her removed. Don't do Christmas myself, but a happy one to those that do.

  43. JAMIE

    Dec 25, 2014, 10:21 #63959

    Actually folks there's no booze for me today.Christmas to me and my family is like any other day,in other words I don't celebrate the foolish made up day.In fact I'm just taking a rest after a few hours work,came out of all this nonsense about ten years ago and haven't regretted it at all.My work means I'm busy this time of the year yet come the summer time that's when I have my fun.Enjoy your silly day gooners and of course the futba.

  44. Joe Fitzpatrick

    Dec 25, 2014, 9:41 #63958

    DW Thomas- merry Christmas mate, I hear what you are saying. Flamini does seen to try his best but unfortunately his best isn't going to be good enough to win a league title. He has the willing but his lack of pace means he will pick up too many yellow cards and he was a bit fortunate to stay on the pitch at Anfield. An ok squad player but not going to rival Matic or Yaya Toure in the big games. A centre half and defensive midfielder would be a great belated gift for us and if somebody could drill the defence and midfield on tracking back and set pieces, we would get 4th place and maybe a run in the cup. Let's dream today!

  45. Stevo

    Dec 25, 2014, 8:09 #63957

    Of course Wenger, if he had a shred of decency, would walk and leave us all alone but he clearly won't when he gets £8m a season. Wenger is a complete and utter joke! When the players come onto the pitch at the Emirates the Muppets theme tune should be played.

  46. DW Thomas

    Dec 25, 2014, 5:48 #63956

    Joe my bro! Good post as always. Have to say Flamini aint that bad and at least tries to have a go at players. Last time he was here he played along side a magnificent young midfield maestro. Cesc. Now he has Ox, young and promising, but too inconsistent lately, and others who just don't play both ways. Sanchez has carried us so far, but one player can only take you so far. Our defense, especially in midfield is what's missing. Take Theo as a prime example. A decent fast player, but not a game winner, who regularly won't defend. Too many lazy players content to merely show up. We lack grit, mettle. Been gone for years. And not buying Cesc back is the dumbest management move we may have ever seen! Want to say Merry Christmas, but Arsenal make me feel Bah Humbug!

  47. Exeter Gunner

    Dec 25, 2014, 0:31 #63955

    Now JAMIE, is that the beginning of a semblance of an attempt at an argument from you... actually going beyond insults and meta-moaning? Shame it can be shattered in seconds, however that's a first, have you been on the brandy soaked Christmas pud a bit early?

  48. Unchives

    Dec 25, 2014, 0:13 #63954

    @ JAMIE, the top clubs always had more money in proportion to the others.The Top teams are also the richest, no matter what league or period in history. If me, you or my grandmother manage Celtic, we've now got a 95% chance of winning the Scottish league,we don't even have to know about football management, maybe Wenger can go there, and if he cant even manage that, then we need to put him down.

  49. JAMIE

    Dec 24, 2014, 23:53 #63953

    What about all the years that Arsenal spent less and had less money coming in yet finished 1st or second.According to all the wobs everybody has to finish according to their resources,yet they never applied that rule when we were winning things.Hypocrits the lot of them!

  50. Uchives

    Dec 24, 2014, 23:28 #63952

    @ doctoreboue, I take it you pay the £62 minimum to watch the games now? We do remember the bad times & the teams, but we paid Two bob to get in. Are you happy now & paying the money. Your pen name says it all!

  51. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 24, 2014, 21:46 #63951

    And of course we have king of the fairies coming in on Xmas eve to tell us all where we've been going wrong.

  52. doctoreboue

    Dec 24, 2014, 20:47 #63950

    it really is tedious having read over and over again the same stuff about our team and our manager. How many of you lot were around in the bad old days, pre Bertie Mee ? Who remmbers the donkeys we had at centre half: Ure, Mancini, Blockley et al....? That midfield bristling with talent of Morrow, McGoldrick, Selley? This man, and he alone turned us from dullards and also-rans into champions and Invincibles. Be thankful you aren't from Totteringham: then you'd all have plenty to moan about!

  53. Mike Collins

    Dec 24, 2014, 19:48 #63948

    As an old git I cast my mind back to Boxing Days long gone, Charlie Nicholas scoring at the Lane; the Shelf bawling abuse; Gooners packing Park Lane; us giving it plenty back; Graham Roberts, Spurs' Scottish hard-man defender, walking to our end to take a corner, 20,000 jeering him, and causally flicking us the Vs. Respect due and given to a real hard man. Just ghosts of Christmas past long gone now as we grow old. Happy Christmas to all who remember and cherish those days, rucking in the High Road, Arsenal and Tottenham boys alike. At least we had our own thing then, at least we were real.

  54. Th14afc

    Dec 24, 2014, 19:08 #63945

    Merry Christmas fellow gunners...yes that includes u jeff!

  55. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 24, 2014, 19:05 #63944

    TOF reckons none of the players really talk or speak to each other at corners, my God we already have nancy boys nice boys midgets and dwarfs duckers and cowards now we have mutes, you couldn't make it up.

  56. gn23

    Dec 24, 2014, 18:42 #63942

    Merry Xmas to all gooners. I'm hoping for two centre backs, a quality defensive midfielder, and .. a new board/manager in 2015!

  57. Unchives

    Dec 24, 2014, 17:38 #63940

    Merry Xmas to you all, We are all Gooners after all. Hope you all have a safe & good one!

  58. Edmund

    Dec 24, 2014, 17:34 #63939

    Merry Christmas to one and all. May Santa bring sense and tactical nous to Wenger, health to our players, a decent DM and victory to the Arsenal.

  59. Roy

    Dec 24, 2014, 16:15 #63937

    In this pantomime season ( literally ), wouldn't it be great if we could shout at Wenger " He's behind you ". Unfortunately, it would appear that the Grim Reaper is otherwise engaged advising other clubs. Well, there's certainly not one on our board. I really hope we finish lower than 4th and I inwardly hate myself for thinking that way. But if it hastens the departure of the man responsible, I'm sure we can live with it. From what I've seen, West Ham and Southampton are above us because they deserve to be, it not a fluke even if it is only half way. We've been badly mismanaged in recent times and OGL has been allowed to get away with it on grounds of keeping the cash cow ticking over and part sentimentality. Something has to give eventually and it looks as though it may get ugly, but it seems the deficiencies of others will allow us to get 4th again. And so it goes on. Zzzzzzzzzzzz.

  60. Mike Collins

    Dec 24, 2014, 16:09 #63936

    It's a crying shame that the Gooner family has been fractured so badly by the lingering Frenchman, the Ghost of Glories Past haunting our once-mighty house. I cast my mind back to evenings like the European Cup Winners' Cup Final of 1994 in the Parken Stadium, Copenhagen, and the non-stop waves of 'One-nil to the Arsenal', a solid wall of united noise that did as much to undermine Parma as Smudger and the boys. Here, today, on this site, I can feel the barely repressed hostility and dissension that now blights our support. We need to get back to the way things were that night in Denmark - we may not win every game, or even play well in all of them - but to play with pride and fire for Arsenal, for us, as Sanchez has done recently, is essential. Joe has done a fine job here of explaining why we don't do that anymore and I'll sign off before I even have to think of that tragic idiot Flamini, forever gibbering and gesticulating. But we'll be back one day and then watch out Stamford Bridge, Old Trafford, etc.

  61. AMG

    Dec 24, 2014, 14:07 #63932

    Brilliant article Joe, none of the Wengerites can really argue with anything you've written. Just a shame there are still those out there who are willing to sing his name after beating Newcastle 4-1 (a feat bettered by Spurts the game after). For Wenger to go, things need to get ugly and I hope they do.

  62. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 24, 2014, 13:35 #63930

    Joe, some will be happy with a draw.

  63. jjetplane

    Dec 24, 2014, 13:31 #63929

    MAX Stirner - there was a man who understood Ego. We could do with some effective anarchy at the 'shopping centre' .....

  64. Bard

    Dec 24, 2014, 13:24 #63928

    Good post Joe and you won't get much argument from me. The problem is nothing will change. It is what it is. We have to wait for Wenger to run down the clock on his stewardship. incidentally I feel the same way about Cesc. Read he has more assists this season in 16 games than dear old Jack has in his whole career. But of course we didnt need him so we are led to believe, monumental f*** up.

  65. N4

    Dec 24, 2014, 13:24 #63927

    Very good and true article! But I think Wenger will never leave until maybe (and I hope so) the end of his contract! The earliest move we can hope so is if we get relegated!!! So all these troubles and he still don't see any problem with it, to me makes me think that he does behave like a dictator! And the lack of communications (I mean real and genuine answers) with the fans whether from him or the board are appalling! Also I don't think he bought Ozil! That was done by Gazidis...!

  66. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 24, 2014, 12:34 #63924

    We don't have to ask ourselves we already know, we already know why we're repeating the same mistakes over and over(and never learn)and why we're rudderless with no shape discipline or determination with a bunch of leaderless dwarfs, it's because of the old joke we have as a manager who in his head thinks he is one but clearly past it, and who just hasn't a clue that's if he ever had in the first place. Good Article Joe.

  67. Torbay gooner

    Dec 24, 2014, 12:15 #63922

    Good article Joe, really think the only way this manager may 'walk' early, is if the team finish out of the top four come May.

  68. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 24, 2014, 12:09 #63921

    Joe, running out of excuses? his apologists have run out of them a long long time ago (and they know it)any old codswallop is used now.

  69. Joe Fitzpatrick

    Dec 24, 2014, 12:02 #63920

    I forgot to say merry Christmas to all my fellow Gooners! I was too busy trying to fight the urge to rant and rave at the non signing of Cesc Fabregas, evertime I see him in blue I feel like crying. I'm not gonna do a piece about that unless there is a demand for it, I don't want to ruin everybody's Christmas! Arsenal to beat QPR 2-1!!!! Come on you Gunners!!

  70. Barnaby

    Dec 24, 2014, 12:01 #63919

    We need to give Wenger time, only joking lololololol

  71. Unchives

    Dec 24, 2014, 11:36 #63917

    @ Andrew, a lot of the ex players that you mentioned, still work for Arsenal in the stadium "Legends" tours as one example, so its conflict of interest. Merson / Charlie Nicolas, do criticise heavily.The Arsenal supporters @ the Emirate are responsible for our downfall, by supporting this regime, they deserve everything they get....we don't!

  72. Charlie George Orwell

    Dec 24, 2014, 11:30 #63916

    Diplomatic criticisms indeed, particularly from former Arsenal players (Merse excepted) – probably due to a respect for the man rather than his poor form over the last 8 years. Possibly it’s a case of extreme puzzlement: As if they can’t understand how the same person who brought so much to them now brings so little to their successors (Tip: remember you and your team mates were world class and it didn’t matter the opposition knew how you were going to play – you were too skilful and men enough to deal with it). Here’s wishing (but not holding my breath) that TV pundits will make new year resolutions to speak their minds in 2015.

  73. Will

    Dec 24, 2014, 11:27 #63915

    I am a West Ham fan and have always loved watching Arsenal play and for years have been very envious of your style of play and to watch that week in week out would have been a dream come true but with what is being said about Wenger this year I can sympathise. To over look Fabregas and even Song was criminal. You have no legs in midfield, fantastic ball players but no one winning it for them. They all play the same, well except Flamini who to be honest and don't want to criticise any Arsenal player on here but I don't think he would get in our current line up. As for letting Jenkinson come on loan to us I have no idea what Wenger was thinking the lad from what I have seen (you may know better than me) has been sensational. Here's hoping you turn it around )but not against us) and I truly hope you dont miss out on Champions league football next year. Good luck

  74. CT Gooner

    Dec 24, 2014, 11:24 #63914

    Yes Joe, no bottle, but sadly this broken record will continue for some time. Now we're hearing how Chambers is being over played?? As clever as AW is, why say such things, surely he knows it's no one else's fault but his!!!

  75. Andrew

    Dec 24, 2014, 11:21 #63913

    I just wish our ex players were as vocal as Neville and Scholes.Its cringeworthy to listen to the likes of Dixon Winterburn Keown Parlour keep sticking up for the specialist in failure in the media.They must think we are f*****g blind

  76. Unchives

    Dec 24, 2014, 11:19 #63912

    @ Joe, spot on article, however we are getting like Wenger, by repeating all the problems here,again and again. Enough is Enough....the Man has to go, unfortunately without us pushing, this board will not get rid unless there is abject failure. I can just see Wenger hanging from the cannon of Failure, waiting to be sacrificed, saying "Forgive them Father (Kroneke)for they Know not what they do". Maybe we could stone the manager as he sits on the bench.....it probably wouldn't even register!

  77. harvey

    Dec 24, 2014, 10:43 #63910

    Wenger has too much ego to change now. He thinks his experience gives him authority, but experience requires that you recognise your weaknesses as well as your successes. Wenger's ego obscures the former and inflates the latter.

  78. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Dec 24, 2014, 10:24 #63909

    West Ham must be licking their lips thinking about Sunday. We go to a poor Liverpool side and make them look like Real Madrid. An unbelievably ordinary Stoke side were 3-0 up inside 40 minutes. Hull City, relegation fodder, were 90 seconds away from winning at E*****s. Leicester, one of the worst top flight teams I have seen in recent years, bossed us around in a tame 1-1 draw. We're not just being outmuscled by the big boys, everyone is getting in on the act nowadays. Remember "let them hate, as long as they fear"? No one fears us anymore.

  79. max stirner

    Dec 24, 2014, 9:55 #63907

    So boring, year after year the same old story, it's pathetic. Wenger is a dictator in decline, his total control is unhealthy and makes us less competitive. The man has refused to go with dignity time now to find a way, in footballing terms, to hang him from a north London lamp post.