More Butting Day Than Boxing Day

Online Ed: Ten man Arsenal take three points v Queens Park Rangers



More Butting Day Than Boxing Day


If only Olivier Giroud had displayed such aggression at the Britannia Ground a few games back. However, his moment of indiscipline means he will get the midwinter break he was accustomed to before he came to north London. I trust we won’t be seeing any photos of him enjoying a week in Dubai or similar during his self-enforced absence. Ironically, he is available once again when Stoke visit Arsenal a fortnight tomorrow.

However, if there was one player that was the real headline maker from yesterday it was Alexis Sanchez. Won a penalty, failed to convert it, scored the opening goal with his head, then set up Arsenal’s critical second after Giroud’s dismissal. He looked off colour when his team drew at Liverpool, raising fears he had run out of steam, physically. No sign of that against Harry Redknapp’s men. Another player accustomed to getting a break at this time of year, one wonders if he will play in both of the trips that Wenger’s team undertake before the FA Cup third round match, when surely he will be rested. I imagine he will have to.

Both goals were very well crafted. Kieran Gibbs’ cross for the first showing once more the benefit of working the ball wide, and Alexis ball retention before teeing up Tomas Rosicky for the second the mark of real quality. That both goals came from territory in theory the responsibility of Armand Traore makes one wonder why Harry has pursued with the former Gunner, as this is hardly a new phenomenon. Still, the former knuckle-dusting cult hero is their problem now.

The fact that QPR had lost every single one of their away matches so far this season is the kind of stat that puts fear in the heart, because it can’t go on. It’s just a matter of when the run is broken. It didn’t look at all likely until the red card, and that they scored after Arsenal had gone two up was no great surprise. Certainly, they could have had a draw in a frantic last ten minutes, but Szczesny did well when called upon, and Gibbs got away with what looked like a penalty for a challenge on Austin (although that evened up the spot kick that was given against Debuchy, which looked harsh).

The game felt a bit flat until Giroud’s early bath. The missed penalty dampened things, even Alexis’ goal only picked things up marginally, as much as anything because Rangers did not seem to be making much of a game of it. The difficulty many had in getting to the match due to transport issues meant there were almost certainly at least 10,000 empty seats, whilst the miserable weather made for a damp feeling all round. Ironically, the sending off seemed to spur Arsenal a bit, leading to the second goal. I actually felt more confident of a ten man Gunners holding onto their lead, with the belief they would be forced to display more focus and discipline than if they had the full complement.

So in the end, an expected, but necessary win. The next two matches will tell us far more about whether the team are likely to push on and start easing the pressure that will build if the sacred fourth place starts to appear under threat. That the opposition are two of the teams unexpectedly ahead of them in the table makes the trips highly significant. Can they afford two losses and recover the lost ground that would result? Probably, but the less encouragement they give to West Ham and Southampton, the better. Regardless of Wenger’s words to try and dampen speculation, a centre back will almost certainly arrive in January, and the sooner the better. If it is Mats Hummels, as speculation is suggesting, all the better.

As for Giroud, one has to wonder how much he can get away with when it comes to Arsene Wenger. The girl in his hotel room the night before a match, and now this. For similar idiocy as the number 12’s yesterday (v Middlesbrough on New Year’s Day 1997), John Hartson was moved on fairly quickly early in Wenger’s tenure. Yet, one suspects the French players at Arsenal get preferential treatment…

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  1. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 29, 2014, 13:54 #64108

    anti-wenger, that question has been asked on numerous occasions even though we already know the answer.

  2. BigDavethegooner

    Dec 29, 2014, 13:08 #64106

    Westlower,see you did,nt get back regarding the wins against Chelsea and both Manchester teams in the last 6 seasons!!!!

  3. jjetplane

    Dec 28, 2014, 20:41 #64073

    I Have!

  4. hastybananas

    Dec 28, 2014, 20:05 #64072

    wtf? perhaps you guys should find another club

  5. DW Thomas

    Dec 28, 2014, 19:43 #64071

    Good win. Great game to watch! 5th now with Chelsea and City dropping points. Cesc gets an assist again. Leading the league! What a bad bad decision not to bring him back with Sanchez now! But no they say. We have Jack, Rambo, and Ozil. Who have done little to nothing this year. Still, beating Weat Ham feels good. Too bad the Wenger lackeys will be cheering their hero despite his failures. Westie and Jamie already drooling at his feet. Where were we last season at this time? Why aren't we better this year? Can any AKB answer that? Not without their jester hat on and a sly grin!

  6. AMG

    Dec 28, 2014, 18:44 #64070

    JAMIE, except the 4 teams above us in the table.

  7. JAMIE

    Dec 28, 2014, 18:35 #64069

    Good to see the genius that is Arsene Wenger putting one over old Walrus's best ever eleven.Wenger still miles ahead of the rest.

  8. anti-wenger

    Dec 28, 2014, 17:49 #64068

    Wow! I predicted a WHU win but the boys proved me wrong today, long may they continue proving me wrong and piling up wins. The team really stood up for the fight and refused to be intimidated by WHU's physical approach. Why can't they fight like this all the time? Well done Arsene., it doesn't mean I've changed my opinion about you anyway.

  9. Lee afc

    Dec 28, 2014, 17:25 #64067

    Hey Danny.... It's just a guess, but Santa didn't bring you a spurs shirt.

  10. Unchives

    Dec 28, 2014, 17:07 #64066

    Great effort by the boys today. Still dodgy at the back, but good three points. COYG.

  11. jjetplane

    Dec 28, 2014, 16:56 #64065

    Punching above their weight again. An infinity of 4ths beckon as the AKB monks plainchant 'Wenger .....' All the top 5 lose and WESTIE will be busy with the computations ...... '... wake me up/before you go go ......'

  12. Westlower

    Dec 28, 2014, 16:55 #64064

    401 WINS & counting. Good result at the Boleyn.

  13. Exeter Gunner

    Dec 28, 2014, 14:47 #64063

    I like every day to be exactly the same and to know exactly what's going to happen. I don't believe in celebrations or having things to look forward to. That is why I am such a fan of late period Wenger. Wife, I've finished my daily allotted hours of work. Fetch me a can!

  14. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 28, 2014, 14:44 #64062

    Danny, fair point, one that has been discussed on here quite often, (as with Pat Rice before him) yes bouldy top defender and member of the famous back four, five, so it goes without saying he should know something about defending how to set one up, coach it etc, and it looked like he did after he took the job (until he started getting to much praise) now either that was a fluke and it's turned out he was/is completely useless, or he's not given or allowed any input or responsibility whatsoever, make up your own mind. As for the legends you mention (and others) they're all wenger luvvies and certainly won't rock the boat like others who have found themselves banned for speaking their mind, but i'd love to hear/know what their saying among themselves friends and family.

  15. Hiccup

    Dec 28, 2014, 11:55 #64061

    Unfortunately not going to be able to see any football today. Sunday for me and the family is just like any other day. Just because some religion says Sunday is a rest day, don't see why I should conform? I'm busy working while all you fools are enjoying yourselves. Barrel of laughs me. Was a problem in the past when girlfriends wanted to do stuff. And they thought I was the weird one? Bah humbug!

  16. jjetplane

    Dec 28, 2014, 11:35 #64060

    JAMIE you old arse lover! Getting in the excuses early as per usual. All you need is Wide-Eyed WesTIE to supply the numbers which we now know he gets from the other half. Anyway - what you doing for the new year JAMIE? celebrating 6th being the new 5th being the old 4th being the primeval 1st. You and Arsene FC have loser written all over you. Belated Solstice tin drinker! You could not make it up! Lovely stuff UNCHIVES as ever.

  17. JAMIE

    Dec 28, 2014, 10:32 #64059

    I expect a lot of foul play today from the old knees up in the air foul,foul,timewaste,timewaste,hoof hoof and more huff and launch,turdy turdball knuckle dragon Frankenstein supported bolt through neck fans slugadoon managed outfit called the Hammers.Watch the ref play to their every trick.

  18. Unchives

    Dec 28, 2014, 3:51 #64057

    @ Jamie, thanks for the very brief history lesson.I agree, no player is bigger than the club....does the same rule apply to the Manager? George Graham was allowed too much control & he got his hand caught in the till. Lets face it, Wenger must be getting some back-handers with Drivel like, Sanogoals, Denilson, Cygan,Sendoros,Kolstum,Santos,Luzhny, Stepanovs,Squillaci, Silvestre,the beast Baptiste, that was very tame...or was it lame. Not forgetting two TOP..TOP Goalkeepers....The Spanish Waiter....Manuel, and the polish plumber, The Flaps !But we know Wenger Knows Best and only signs "Super Quality", and when things go wrong, not too often, just the last 8 seasons, he cant blame the players, or buy new ones because he doesn't want to kill their careers! Anyone please write a "Where are they now" follow-up...£62 for the cheapest ticket for TOP...TOP Quality anyone?There is always mental strength & Belief to look forward to, if all goes wrong.

  19. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 27, 2014, 23:32 #64056

    anti-wenger, you may not be challenged tonight or tomorrow morning, but you can bet your last quid you will be tomorrow afternoon at 5.O'clock and at the same time on Thursday providing things go their messiah's way of course.

  20. JAMIE

    Dec 27, 2014, 23:28 #64055

    ha ha Unchives and DW Thomas you're the spuds with your anti Arsenal drivel and we'd be mid-table without Sanchez guff.Let me give you a history lesson.Back in Terry Neil's days in 1980 our midfield maestro Brady decided to leave for the Italian's super team of the time Juve.The Wobs of the time who were then more aptly named Nobs were outraged and predicted Arsenal would fall to mid-table,they however finished 3rd higher than any season Brady was playing and egg all round for the arse haters.Skipping forward in time to 94 the then Gobs were worshipping Ian Wright no way can we do anything without him in Europe,well how about 7-0 away to Liege and 1-0 against a star studded Palma again the nominal fans looking foolish.Fast forward again boo hoo hoo Henry's leaving mid-table for us,again no change,Wenger has Van Perse,Van Perse finds his strings,Wobs cry again mid-table no actually no change again and Wenger has Sanchez up his sleeve.Now it's where would we be without Sanchez?.You'd think these dimwits would have learned their lesson by now.Arsenal are and always will be bigger than any players who play for them.

  21. AMG

    Dec 27, 2014, 23:01 #64054

    Yesterdays game once again demonstrated how criminally underused Rosicky is. The guy was my man of the match ahead of Sanchez, really impressive. I think it's no coincidence that our long winning runs of previous seasons have coincided with Rosicky in the starting 11. I think divingrooney, aside from being a complete comedy Muppet, is completely wrong about Welbeck. Danny boy offers all of the same good things as Giroud, but also offers pace and quick feet - Maybe stick to making excuses for Wenger and leave the football analysis to football fans.

  22. Danny

    Dec 27, 2014, 22:56 #64053

    We all know Wenger is a lucky coach living off George Grahams’ defense ethic. How come we never question Bouldy’s on this? Is he allowed or not to coach the defenders. If so, he should be accountable also. If not then why is sitting there like a duck and not say anything Can someone also tell me why don't the old Arsenal guard like Adams, Veria, Parlour come out and question Bouldy. Are they afraid of getting banned from the Emirates. Surely these players are bigger then that I like to see Bouldy interviewed on TALK****E by Durham and asked some direct questions

  23. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 27, 2014, 21:19 #64052

    DWT, absolutely spot on, Cesc, RVP, and others who went on to better things are constantly been slagged of by the wengerites who very conveniently forget they were their messiah's saviour more often than not.

  24. Unchives

    Dec 27, 2014, 21:12 #64051

    @ DW Thomas,Jamie is a Spud, wind-up Muppet, don't even waste any thinking time on him.

  25. DW Thomas

    Dec 27, 2014, 20:43 #64050

    Jamie the old court jester to Arsene you always make me laugh! Though you spout nonsense, deep down I know you know we know you're just a windup merchant. Sanchez like Cesc and RVP before him is our savior and should be praised to no end. Without a top player we would be wandering in mid table mediocrity no doubt. Wenger will be lucky to get 2-3 points the next 2 games. The biggest myth regarding Wenger is he is some sort of guru know it all even believed by his wannabe squad. If he is soooo good as a manager, why hash he never won the CL? Why does he get mauled by better teams every time? Better tactical coaches even several tiers below him have his number? Why? He is an aesthete. He can do it no other way! He even dropped his project youth a little after years of failure, but he still can't get the team mix right! No steel or grit in the PL? Even your CBs ducking out of headers? For years our wingbacks refuse to pressure oppo's crossers and we get beat again and again on set pieces. Take even a little time to be analytical of our club and an awakening happens to why we fail. Problem is jesters like Jamie and Westie only see facts that support Wenger. They ignore the giant Everest of a pile that show why he loses and must step aside!

  26. anti-wenger

    Dec 27, 2014, 20:19 #64049

    I want any AKB to challenge this; Arsenal will not get more than 1 point from the next 2 games. They'll likely lose both, or maybe Sanchez will do his magic and earn a point at Southampton. Wenger already knows what's coming against West Ham,but as usual, has no clue of how to stop it. Big Sam will set up his team to bully Arsenal and not allow them get into their stride, which we've seen over and over again that wenger simply has no answer to(apart from whining and complaining to the 4th official)

  27. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 27, 2014, 19:40 #64048

    Bard, of the shoulder of the top clubs, him and TOF are clearly of their heads (but no doubt believed) don't be bringing any home they obviously have their own supplier.

  28. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 27, 2014, 18:33 #64047

    Danny, yes another win against relegation fodder and all is rosy in the garden of arsene and his followers again.

  29. Bard

    Dec 27, 2014, 18:22 #64046

    Ahoy shipmates. This missive reaches you from deepest Colombia. Before any bright spark makes the obvious comment Im visiting the wife's family and not up to any shenanigans. They are football mad here but couldn't get to see the QPR game for love nor money. You can watch the Chavs, Citeh, Untd and thats it. You can also see the usual top Euro suspects. Out here dear old Arsenal are absolutely nowhere. Big club, only in the eyes of the deluded Im afraid. Reading these posts from afar you begin to realise how Arsenal now exist in their own micro climate separated from the rest of the big hitters. What did Ivan say, we are just off the shoulder of the top clubs, I guess it depends on how you define "off the shoulder". Jamie mate you would have loved the local derby between the two Medellin teams. I was in the city at the time and it was locked down because of the chaos and madness, it was completely mental I watched the game in a bar, it was rubbish but you would have thought it was a world cup final, brilliant.

  30. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 27, 2014, 17:36 #64045

    Where's Wally, and even then still leave them empty preferring to keep they're seats in the restaurant and their noses in the trough, with their backs to the pitch.

  31. JAMIE

    Dec 27, 2014, 17:19 #64044

    I've noticed all the wobs are all sucking up and worshipping Sanchez at the moment.These losers always have to have their superman to worship while they bash all the other players.Then after a while they get bored and turn against the player and try and get him moved on like they did with,Van perse strings,Fabrecash,Arshavin and more recently Wilshere.

  32. Ron

    Dec 27, 2014, 17:10 #64043

    KC - The difference in home and away is quite easy mate. Its called fear. The body language of Arsenal teams away from home for the last few years is pitiful. They seem scared witless. You only have to see the so called 'BFG' hiding and ducking out of headers. Its sickening and embarrassing, though not uncommon with modern defenders in that PL. We have a manager that sees it and accepts it. It speaks volumes and explains why Wengers teams are so lacking in fight and power for so many years. These on here who still shout up for the present regime to remain quite frankly must be as gutless as the BFG. Ive seen many a bad Centre back in 40 odd years at the Arse but ive never seen a coward play there before.

  33. Unchives

    Dec 27, 2014, 16:51 #64042

    @ doctoreboue, at least criticise with spell-checker on.@ divingrooney, how can you mention Welbeck in the same breath as Sanogoals / Sanogood.@ Westlower, the only stats you need to mention are not games played but seasons played, 8 seasons of **** all !Arsene take your 10 years and ****-off!

  34. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Dec 27, 2014, 16:49 #64041

    Personally it's sad to see Warnock sacked at Palace. He strikes me as a decent bloke with a nice sense of humour - albeit one that seems to desert him once a referee is sighted. Anyway, more on Le Bosses 400 wins: the record against Chelsea/Man Utd/Man City since 2009/10: W 5 D 9 L 19. Against the Bin Dippers in the same period it's W 5 D 4 L 2

  35. Danny

    Dec 27, 2014, 16:38 #64040

    another lucky win for Wenger. results against crap will keep the sheep happy. Giroud was silly to headbutt. RIO and the clown which fell down like been shot should have been booked is it me or then Referees poor this year?. West Ham and Southampton will be tough. how many points will we get. with Wenger away policy -ZERO!

  36. Hiccup

    Dec 27, 2014, 16:19 #64039

    @Tactically Inept: arsenal to win the league has come in to 66/1. Great value considering we have a manager that has won more games than mourinho and pelligrini combined. You think we will finish 5th? That's very negative thinking. We can finish a whole one place higher than that in 4th which is positive thinking. The odds of us finishing 4th being supplied before close of play are 1/10.

  37. KC

    Dec 27, 2014, 16:18 #64038

    Re the strikers Welbecks work rate is good but his lack of goals is becoming a major issue. As for Sanchez and the rest of the team my real beef is the difference in level of performance home and away. Why is Sanchez so full of it at home and yet disappeared at anfield? What is it with Wengers tactics methods structure that seems seems to starve the team of hunger away from home? We can put some blame on injuries but we all know the truth. The complete lack of defensive class players and therefore no base is adding a completely fragile structure to a team where ball winners are rare, as soon as we do not have the ball the weaknesses get fully exposed. January is going to be interesting as I really believe just a CB is not nearly enough and a true defensive midfielder is a greater priority although both are bloody well needed.

  38. Tactically inept

    Dec 27, 2014, 15:56 #64037

    a total lack of discipline is another well known trait of wengers teams. discipline of where to be on the pitch when the opposition has the ball and whether or not it is helpful to the result to butt of kick your opponent. time and again the man without a plan or a strategy finds something else to talk about to the media and refuses to face his own incompetence. weve got abt the 7th best manager with the 3rd highest wage bill in the EPL and my bet well come 5th or 6th this time.

  39. BiggoonerDave

    Dec 27, 2014, 15:39 #64036

    West lower,how about this little gem,of those 400 & 600 wins,how many have there been against Chelsea,Man Utd & Man city in the last 6 seasons?? I won't ask how many we,ve won against the top European sides for fear of embarrassing you further.

  40. jeff wright

    Dec 27, 2014, 15:30 #64035

    I watched the game at a party in a pub and the barmaids dressed up as Santa's elves offered more entertainment. To put it bluntly we were awful and against the worst away side in the Prem ended up struggling to hold on for a narrow win . (Yawn) Westie ,taking a day off from his John McCririck top of the head and 10-1 the field tick-tack man role, cobbles together another set of meaningless mind-numbing stats to show that old has been Arsene is the king of the Arsenal managers , more like the ghost of Christmas's past in reality though, when you look at our league position compared to Chelsea's one. What ever happened to the we will close the gap with Chelsea claims that Wenger advised us that he would do then >? Never however because once again, deja -too , the 4th place trophy is on . Unless someone has not read the script and acts as party poopers. All of this ,why doesn't Arsene play Poldolski , is no Arsenal Stadium Mystery either because ,the clues to this are that Wenger is selling him to drum up some more cash and buyers,other than our clown, do not buy damaged goods ,so he can't be risked . Money never sleeps at AFC these days under the Silent Stan regime and Arsene is very good at balancing the books and showing profits every season. Title challenges? Come on now, you're having a laugh! Pointless stats showing how clever Arsene is are more important . You couldn't make it up.

  41. Hiccup

    Dec 27, 2014, 15:05 #64034

    Westie, you're the desperate one throwing in all your odds and meaningless statistics. It's you dragging George graham and chapman in to whatever your argument is. Look at it at whichever angle you like, then graham and chapman still won a title every 4.5 years compared to wenger's 6. Let's keep wenger in charge for another ten years and your statistic will show he'd have won 600 games and still 3 titles. In your book that's still better than chapman? Basically a job for life for his first ten years in your view. Not disputing his first ten years, but I haven't kept my head stuck in the sand since June 2005 like yourself.

  42. Where's Wally is a Gooner

    Dec 27, 2014, 14:43 #64033

    @Ivan don't you mean there's plenty who will buy you're seats through the corporate account and leave them empty until Man U are playing?

  43. DW Thomas

    Dec 27, 2014, 14:37 #64032

    Rosicky scoring yesterday was the highlight of the last few weeks. A once great player who has been shipped to the bench or worse by the deluded one. OGL's wins over the last 18 years mean little when it didn't come with any end product these last 10 years. His record vs winning clubs is abysmal too. Delusional lackeys like Westie, Jamie and others give Wenger free license to win more games against poor teams with no trophies or wins vs the big boys when it matters. Wenger values aesthetics over work. Until that changes, no real change will happen. Even our football these days lacks panache. Without Sanchez we'd be much lower in he table. Only a matter of time like jack and others where he is injured due to poor team management. But according to some his wins record is the best! What about his injury record? Or record of losing in the CL big games?

  44. Westlower

    Dec 27, 2014, 14:35 #64031

    @Hiccup, Getting desperate aren't you? Substitute 'last' for 'first' & Wenger won 3 titles, 1 or 2 more than the other Arsenal greats. Aren't you big enough to give credit where it's due?

  45. Westlower

    Dec 27, 2014, 14:03 #64030

    After Warnock's sacking the 'next manager to leave his post' market has been revised with Skybet. Only Maureen at 100/1 has a safer job than Wenger at 80/1.

  46. I Want The Pod To Play

    Dec 27, 2014, 14:00 #64029

    nuff said. Pod as a LANS in Jan would be great. Sadly, he'll be off to score lots of goals for Mancini at Inter. Hope the Fool persists with Rosicky at any rate. TR7, Cazorla, Ozil....all better than Jack, yet when Jack is fit he'll displace them all in the playmaker position. (bangs head repeatedly and sends for more strong liquor)

  47. ivan gazidis

    Dec 27, 2014, 13:54 #64028

    ok, you jokers. enough! you all prattle on like you know something about football, but,I ask you- how many of you have spent even ONE day in the game? No, I thought not: none of you! So keep your foolish, narrow-minded mumblings to yourselves. This man has taken The Arsenal from also-rans in English football to globally respected ambassadors of the Art of Pass and Move. Grow up, all of you, and be thankful you don't follow QPR. Though o course, if you're that unhappy feel free to go elsewhere- there's plenty who''ll be happy to sit in your seats.

  48. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 27, 2014, 13:37 #64027

    Kev, of course the frenchies get preferential treatment and get away with more, after all the biggest frenchie of them all has been doing it for years,

  49. Hiccup

    Dec 27, 2014, 13:04 #64025

    In Herbert Chapman's last 9 years of management, he only won 171 games. This delivered only 2 league titles. In Bertie Mee's last 10 years of management, he only won 181 games. This only delivered 1 league title. In George Graham's last 9 years of management, he only won 163 games, which delivered a miserly 2 titles. In wenger's last 10 years of management, he has won over 200 games, which has delivered 0 titles. Shame on you Kevin for not pointing this out!

  50. Bard

    Dec 27, 2014, 13:03 #64024

    Westei; No Arsenal manager has spent so much money in a 10 year period without wining anything. No Arsenal manager has been joint top of the league in one year, spent £85m and found themselves 15 points behind the league leaders a year later. Lies, damn lies and statistics. Next 2 games could tip the fans over the edge if they don't go well. Looking forward to see which CB we buy in Jan. must be the worst kept secret in football

  51. WENGER MUST GO ASAP AND KRONKE (ASAP )

    Dec 27, 2014, 12:58 #64023

    Westlower, we know your a DIEHARD Wenger fanatic, calm down with the 400 wins in the pl. Do you think Wenger will ever win the premier league again??? I bet you say yes !! But what evidence do you have that he will again?? When he's record over the last 5 years against the top teams is dreadful!!! You can't win the pl if you can't beat your rivals . Wenger can't beat man city, chelsea or manure even when they were under moyes he still lost Loool. You could not make that one up. I font see Wenger EVER winning the pl again or the cl. He does not have the tactical ability to win the cl.

  52. Jason B

    Dec 27, 2014, 12:42 #64022

    So Warnock is gone. No doubt he'll be taking up his old job once again on that retirement home for failed managers ,talk sport!

  53. Westlower

    Dec 27, 2014, 12:06 #64021

    All bets lost on Wenger being the next manager to leave his post as Palace have just sacked Warnock. Did I mention that Wenger has won 400 league games & 600 overall?

  54. WENGER HAS TO GO ASAP AND KRONKE (MARCUS)

    Dec 27, 2014, 12:04 #64020

    It was another desperate win against a shockingly poor team. Folks our now voting with their feet. The number of empty seats is telling at games now!!! Folks our tired with this deluded man. Who is living off what he did 10 years. Everyone knows that we will never win the pl again with Wenger as manager. I still think we will be fighting for fourth even if we had ronaldo or messi smh . HE NEEDS TO GO!!! So does Kronke!!!!

  55. Ron

    Dec 27, 2014, 12:01 #64019

    I quite like Wellbeck too. Fans just have to accept though that hes never going to be a heavy scorer. Hes just not a natural finisher. Giroud is better than hes painted and he'll get a team goals v lesser opponents all season. I dont think you ll see much of Podolski. There seems a problem there between him and Wenger. Ive always had the impression that hes not enough of a lacky for Wengers liking. He doesn't tow Wengers line enough on or off the field. At 29 he needs to be heading off if hes any sense and he seems as if he has. None of these German signings have come off for Wenger have they. Westie - yes. the number of wins look good, though hes had 19 years to get them in a league (esp the last 6-7 years) that's contained a lot of cannon fodder that by and large the Club have knocked over. Some stats showing his results v the top sides and even v lesser teams in crunch matches would erase the gloss that you're trying to apply again. SKG - Arsenal win games like that the one v QPR now in that fashion. Its a squad that wont dominate teams. Wengers latest comment saying that 'our game is about psychology' etc to explain the scratchy performances is as much an attempt to apply a false gloss as is Westies last post. I think marriage is on the cards for Westie and Wenger before much longer.

  56. Exeter Gunner

    Dec 27, 2014, 11:53 #64018

    Well Westlower, you've mentioned it twice already to make up for Kevin's 'shame'. When should we expect the third mention? And well done you for thinking up more positive stats for dear old Arsene and putting previous managers in their places by combining their records in a way they never saw coming! Just think, if Wenger just stays another 30 years or so he might reach 1,000 league wins! What will Herbert Chapman, Bertie Mee and George Graham have to say about that?

  57. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 27, 2014, 11:47 #64017

    A few butts going around alright Kev the goats were really going at it, but we know who won the tippy tappy contest as the spiv and his team rolled over and had their bellies tickled but you can only beat what's in front of you right, well apart from the big boys. Sanchez what would we do without him, more importantly what would TOF do. He always lands himself with one player who saves his bacon over and over, and he needs a break alright but will he get one? More like TOF will keep using him to help keep him smelling of roses by running him into the ground and breaking him. It's a pity we hadn't others we could rely on a lot more and yes lets hope the Cart horse shoes more aggression against stoke in the return but i'm sure he'll be very brave then. A necessary win indeed over relegation fodder as all the others in the fight for the fourth place trophy did, although some might have been happy with a draw.

  58. Seven Kings Gooner

    Dec 27, 2014, 11:46 #64016

    Westflower: Comparing like for like HC BM & GG's Arsenal had to play in a much tougher league than the current PL. For the last 10 years the PL has mostly been a two horse race, ironically it is the money pumped into Citeh over the past 5 years that briefly made it a three horse race. Most of today's PL teams would struggle to get out of the bottom half of the table if they had to compete in the period from 1961 to 1971. As for Chapman's Arsenal to compare them with today's team is quite frankly an insult. Pre 2005 - yes you have a point but since then the "midget Arsenal project" has destroyed the very fabric of our team.

  59. Seven Kings Gooner

    Dec 27, 2014, 11:29 #64015

    Having watched Chelsea cruise past Stoke and West Ham with no fuss, no slip ups, just solid professional performances in second gear. Compare that with our last two matches, how do we allow such ordinary sides back into games? It is quite simply a total lack of any mental preparation before the game and a complete lack of leadership under the slightest pressure on the pitch. We are capable of any kind of collapse at any given moment against any grade of opposition. The last 10 minutes yesterday was simply embarrassing and devoid of any plan or on field savvy we could have easily dropped two points.

  60. Westlower

    Dec 27, 2014, 11:24 #64013

    Shame on you Kevin for not mentioning Wenger achieving his 400th PL victory. To put some perspective on this remarkable record consider these facts: Herbert Chapman from 1925-1933 (9 years), 171 League wins; Bertie Mee 1966-76 (10 years), 181 League wins; George Graham 1986-Feb 1995 (9 years), 163 League wins. Combine any two of Arsenal's greatest managers total league wins over a similar time frame to Wenger and the highest total of 352 wins is BM + HC. 344 for BM + GG, 334 for GG + HC. Considering all these wins were gained during a 42 game season it gives extra credit to Wengers accomplishment. Well done Arsene!

  61. andy1886

    Dec 27, 2014, 11:23 #64012

    Anyone who thinks Sanogo is better than Welbeck needs their head examined. The fact that he's carrying an injury and needs a rest (being flogged to death as is Wenger's habit) might have something to do with it. The fact that Uncle Woy gets more out of him might just possibly suggest it has something to do with the coach don't you think?

  62. deighty

    Dec 27, 2014, 10:44 #64011

    #divingrooney, harsh on Welbeck,I like the payer, like the work rate he puts in. Anyway, what I didn't like yesterday was the way a crap QPR side almost got a result. Even with ten men we should've been more comfortable, after all Giroud was one of three forwards on the pitch and that shouldn'tmade a great deal of difference for our ball retention. We struggle with ten men and we struggle against organised ten men. We do have a decent squad, just need a decent manager.

  63. Unchives

    Dec 27, 2014, 10:25 #64010

    The sending off was very harsh, remember Sanchez being bear hugged a few weeks ago. I wouldn't be encouraging a move out for Giround as he is a very good player.Realistically, we should be battering this kind of team, but we are not, I expected a win, but got no encouragement with regard to the harder tests to come......its not good.

  64. Hiccup

    Dec 27, 2014, 10:25 #64009

    Yes Kevin. Sums it up really when you say our next two games against our main rivals West Ham and Southampton will tell us far more. It's these massive 6 pointers that make the whole thing so unbearably exciting.

  65. Westlower

    Dec 27, 2014, 10:17 #64008

    The 3 'lightweights' Rosicky, Cazorla & Sanchez combined really well at times. Welbeck needs a goal to give him a boost, maybe he'll get more chances with Giroud absent. Should be some game time for Podolski, Campbell & Sanogo in the next week. Well done Wenger on achieving your 400th PL win & 600th win overall. Must be a dagger through your detractors hearts!

  66. Arseneknewbest

    Dec 27, 2014, 10:15 #64007

    Yet another unnecessary white-knuckle ride - QPR were terrible, but still managed in the final ten minutes to get 'Arry up off his seat and twitching. It isn't going to happen, but Wenger should now give Podolski a run out as our centre forward. Who knows? - he could be heralded as a new signing come the end of January. We were saved by Sanchez again - another night when we won in spite of the coaching, not because of it. Good to see Flam have a better game - he was pretty fired up when it mattered.

  67. doctoreboue

    Dec 27, 2014, 10:11 #64006

    no mention of the lack of leadership today. why? just because we scraped a win? it's outrageous that sanchez can just unilaterally decide he's going to take the penalty, when clearly santi is the designated taker. where is the bfg in all this? why isn't wenger demanding team discipline? it's symtomatic of he selfishness running throug the squad: they all play for themselves. giroud is a disgrace- he was compltely usless while he was on anyway, lumbering around, careless flicks. he's clearly wanting a new year's holiday break. did he look as if he cared?

  68. Smithy

    Dec 27, 2014, 9:35 #64005

    50 million rumoured for cavanni. This would be acceptable only if accompanied by a central defender and a defensive midfielder as they are the key areas of weakness.did anyone notice how quick the qpr defender threw himself down and "hard man " rio adding his opinions.thank god we have one world class player, ten years ago we had 4-5 of them in the side. How times have changed!

  69. Ron

    Dec 27, 2014, 9:24 #64004

    Morning Kev - you only 'suspect' that the French players take preferential treatment? Mate, you know that they do and also know that they have done for the last 12/13 years. Is one of the major institutional flaws at the Club and one of the many reasons why mediocrity reigns unchecked there, ironically its the primary driver why Mr Henry is on the fast track to running the shooting match there in a couple of years time. Heaven forbid.

  70. divingrooney

    Dec 27, 2014, 9:17 #64003

    No mention of how toilet Welbeck is. Even Sanogo, the ultimate bambi on ice, has better moments in every game. I dont care if a player doesnt score, but Welbeck does not do one thing right. Doesnt hold the ball, make good runs, and his passing is just awful. But he is English, so media will lay on French players, as Wenger is french. The site should be renamed to toiletgooner.com