That’s More Like It

Online Ed: Away win in penultimate trip to Upton Park



That’s More Like It


Strange to think that there will be (cup draws allowing) only one more visit to West Ham’s historic home. Demand for tickets for this game was fairly intense, so God alone knows what it will be like next season.

Arsenal haven’t lost at the place for a good number of years, and the healthy record was retained by a good battling performance in which Olivier Giroud was not missed. Significantly, Laurent Koscielny returned to the starting line up, with Francis Coquelin joining Mathieu Flamini to provide more defensive cover in midfield. Up front, Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain had a storming game, and all over the park, the players looked as if they were up for the game, unlike certain recent trips we don’t want to dwell upon.

Yes, there was an element of fortune, but it was hard earned. Song’s offside goal might have been given by a different ref, and the Hammers’ finishing let them down at key moments. Wojciech Szczesny had a generally good game with some decent saves, although he did completely miss one cross late in the match, but got away with it.

Defensively, Arsenal were hardly exceptional, as demonstrated by the West Ham goal, but things are at least showing signs of improvement. The signing of a centre back as soon as possible after New Year’s Day should help matters, but history tells us any new face will probably not be unveiled until February is almost upon us.

The goals were a pleasure to witness. Cazorla’s run to force the foul leading to the penalty allowed him to resume his spot kick duties and score at a key time in the game. But the second was the icing on the cake, squeezed in before the half time whistle. Once again, width, provided by the Ox, created the danger and Danny Welbeck was in position to convert. The jury is still out on the number 23, but scoring goals is how he will answer his critics.

So Arsenal move into fifth place overtaking Sam Allardyce’s side. In this respect, it was a huge result. Indeed, beating Southampton on New Year’s Day would be doubly significant, although Chelsea’s failure to win there indicates that it is a difficult trip. Ronald Koeman’s team seem to have steadied the ship and are getting results again.

Anyway, people were talking about four points from nine over the three festive period fixtures. Now Arsenal have six. They look set fair for fourth place if they can overcome Southampton, and hold off Spurs between now and the end of May. One thing looks certain. A lot less than last season’s 79 points will be needed to make that habitual Champions League qualifier.

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  1. JAMIE

    Jan 02, 2015, 12:04 #64286

    Ron,You say you would rather your mythical son follow Palace or West Ham as they haven't sold out.So why do Palace make their fans purchase extra tickets for cat B games making it cost at least £70 to watch say an Arsenal or Chelsea cat A game and why are West Ham selling out and moving away from their roots to play in a 60,000 stadium they have no hope of filling,and why are they charging their fans £55 to watch hoof ball.I have two sons and no way would they want to follow any of the other rabble.

  2. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 01, 2015, 21:05 #64248

    jj, they've had a whip round and got fifty pence for the meter

  3. JAMIE

    Jan 01, 2015, 20:51 #64246

    The non sending off when Sanchez was clean through cost us.The tactical genius conceding five to the spuds what have the wobs to say about that?

  4. jjetplane

    Jan 01, 2015, 17:42 #64220

    I know HICCUP cannot understand why they are sending Sanogo off to Villa without trying him out in the back four and sticking the BFG up front which will stop him going wide all the time. Maybe WESTIE or JAMIE have some ideas. What's the latest on Diaby by the way ...... I wish I could stop smirking but really .... you could not make it up. Very quiet on here MG. Probably very quiet on arseblog too and all I can hear is Claridge going on about the lovely shape of the Spuds ...

  5. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 01, 2015, 17:19 #64215

    So Xmas is over and a happy new year TOF's still with us oh dear oh dear so we still live in fear, So Xmas is over and a happy new year, so hear we are again same old new year what do we have to do to get rid of him just put up with more defeats and embarrassment I fear, then again he's so arrogant it wouldn't be his fault him and his followers would blame everybody else their so devout, and because we don't worship him also we'd deserve to be thrown out. So Xmas is over and a happy new year, but how can it be a happy one when the old past it's still here, what have we done to deserve him i'd really love to know is Karma really this bad I never thought so as we all sit and watch him rub his runny nose with his suit sleeve and bumble about in the snow.

  6. Hiccup

    Jan 01, 2015, 17:12 #64213

    Come on jj! We're still above Big Sam's world beating West Ham which is the unit of measure these days! And I ain't bothered if we fall below these, because then Alan Pardew will become the unit of measure. Dads Army returns with a vengeance!

  7. jjetplane

    Jan 01, 2015, 16:51 #64209

    That's more like it.

  8. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 31, 2014, 20:56 #64204

    DWT, good stuff it's getting to that time of the night.

  9. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 31, 2014, 20:41 #64203

    jw, as you say he wouldn't have the bottle or the balls but wouldn't it be great to get him in a live interview or debate where none of his lackey's would be screening and/or fielding difficult questions, i'd put a couple of regulars on here up against him any day, and we wouldn't need to be able to speak six or seven different languages either just honest straight forward questions about him, his team, his cock ups and his philosophies in the Queens English (and we all know what they'd be) but no doubt he'd resort to his usual gobbledegook and bullshyte to try and undermine us and show his so called superiority and intelligence, that is until he realised we weren't going to be intimidated and are just as knowledgeable as him even though we never made a substitution or worked a day in football in our lives (having been here long before he blew in and will still be here when he pisses off) TOF would be rattled with the first couple of questions he wouldn't last the interview/debate after he was hit with more home truths that would leave his big head and ego spinning, he'd be spitting more venom and shaking more than a rattlesnake cornered alright, not being able to handle home truths. You can just imagine him storming off pushing past, his face the colour of ink mumbling in French or Japanese.

  10. jjetplane

    Dec 31, 2014, 19:38 #64202

    Nice one DW & JAMIE you are looking lonely out there and just wait til the Lord vanishes into the south of France to renew his spirit. You could not make it up. They appear to have all left a sinking ship. Good thing you got a skipper's licence.

  11. DW Thomas

    Dec 31, 2014, 19:12 #64201

    Jj, love the idea of a cage match! I can see Mo pinning OGL and then him starting to babble about only playing with class and style. Then Jamie drops into the ring to free him as his tag team partner! All the while complaining there are no true Arsenal fans left! Wenger has moaned for ages about all sorts of things simply to distract from his obvious failings. How do you defend never having beaten Mo? Ever? That may be his most embarrassing stat coupled with his record vs the top teams the last 5-6 years. He seems befuddled whenever pushed on any failures or his blindness to the obvious deficiencies. If you want your son to follow Arsenal fine by me. I bought my oldest a jersey last year, shorts, and many t-shirts. Yet, I now feel if he follows them, he is in for a life of mediocrity. I can see the typical AKB telling his offspring now, "We used to have the best manager ever!" Response: "Dad, don't you mean player? " AKB back: "Naw son, we don't care about them. Only this man, my hero!" Holds up a picture of Wenger with his head in his hands. "He was better than any player! Too bad he retired. We finished at least 4th every year he was here!" Son, "Wait isn't first what gets a trophy?" "Yes, but its money that matters! And CL entrance!" "But isn't the point of sports to win things?" "Well, some think so, but to be a true AKB..."

  12. JAMIE

    Dec 31, 2014, 18:52 #64200

    Wenger easily winds up Mourinho the same as he used to do to Fergy. He's too intelligent to get into a personal slagging match about other peoples characters like Mourinho is and wouldn't even want to.Wenger has too much self control and prefers to drop nuggets at press conferences not directed at anybody directly knowing the hacks will take the message to his rival. Wenger knows Maureen is basically just an insecure old flatterer who lives off his emotions very similar to many posters on here.He knows before long he'll up-sticks and will take his roadshow elsewhere.

  13. Unchives

    Dec 31, 2014, 18:35 #64199

    @ JAMIE...When is Wenger going to get the players to perform on the pitch? 8 seasons is a lot of interviews. No wonder you love Wenger, he makes it up as he goes along too.

  14. jjetplane

    Dec 31, 2014, 17:34 #64198

    Wenga is being cute with the diving stuff 'cause he knows it will wind up the one person who gives him sleepless nights. Maureen. Should be interesting to watch where this pans out but with Fabregas probably getting his yellow rescinded and the silly Costa incident I see a big French omelette heading Lord Wenga's way and the poor culprit will either be errr Sanchez, JW, Flamini et al. Anyway If Maureen goes on a super wobble I will love it. Maybe Wenga and Maureen can have a cage fight in May if the old blue moon rises up again.

  15. JAMIE

    Dec 31, 2014, 17:19 #64197

    Name me a manager who does answer difficult questions?I've never seen any including the most successful ever Fergie who refused to and got all offended if any body asked him even a simple one.Most questions are all a load of old boll-ocks anyway I've worked in many sales jobs where they would ask me for my business plans and sales predictions,I would simply make it up in my head telling them what they wanted to hear.If I told them the truth and what I really planned to do I'de have been sacked on the spot.I used to watch others doing it by the book trying to please people and never getting anywhere fast spending hours strategically planning this and that.Wenger knows this too,that only what he gets his players to perform on the pitch matters,press conferences are mainly for housewives and fans with too much time on their hands.

  16. jeff wright

    Dec 31, 2014, 16:50 #64195

    MG, these diving comments by Wenger are obviously another knee-jerk reaction by him when asked a question in one of interviews.He is not really very good at doing them live, although he gets away with rather a lot of things because the media types tend to treat him with kid gloves . Wenger doesn't have the bottle to face a proper no holds barred interview on TV or radio, or even in front of our supporters where the Q/A sessions are preprogrammed so as not to upset his fragile ego because he knows only too well that his illusions and chicanery would expose him for the fraud that he is. Instead at the easier pre and post match ones he tends to give out lectures on something or other while avoiding having to answer awkward questions. There was that one recently though where a woman asked him about his responsibility for our poor league showing this season and that really annoyed him . His reactions being like those of a rattle snake prodded with a stick turning it rather venomous.

  17. Ron

    Dec 31, 2014, 16:28 #64194

    Gooner coles - Everton for one. The way theyre funding the new stadium wont make them a hostage to fortune either.Its all a question of degree anyway. AFC has bared its arse totally to greed at the expense of the fans. And its honest advice too. Its down to the individual who they support. There is much about Arsenal that i dont like now.No longer a class Club in my view, but just my view at the end of the day.Sorry you don't agree but ill sleep easily tonight all the same.

  18. maguiresbridgr gooner

    Dec 31, 2014, 16:28 #64193

    jw, he'll make some stuttering in between the excuses in his post match interview the first time one of our players does it and gains a pen.

  19. jjetplane

    Dec 31, 2014, 15:55 #64192

    Poor old JAMIE has started on the tinnies early! Be in bed with his suit on by eight! KAT don't mind him just look at some of his recent posts if you want a laugh. He's a big fan of Hoofball on the quiet ..... HNY!

  20. JAMIE

    Dec 31, 2014, 15:43 #64191

    The only frauds are those who call themselves fans yet are forever putting the club down.Spoilt big jessies most of them. Kat,you sound like a typical jcl glory hunter probably more suited to the chavs or city or maybe you could take one of our resident wobs and stick your thumb firmly over their empty pates.They love all that!

  21. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 31, 2014, 14:34 #64190

    Kat, anyway glad you've learned the reality and have had you eyes opened very quickly before you were taken and indoctrinated into the cult of wenger( a lot of others weren't/haven't been so lucky ) it comes in various guises the most common one being an AKB, but they all mean the same, so count yourself lucky indeed and welcome to the club.

  22. jeff wright

    Dec 31, 2014, 14:25 #64189

    Wenger is at it again trying to deflect attention away from his own poor results in the League Cup,Prem and Europe ,by claiming that he wants a panel of 'experts' these would be ex-players in his view , to look at videos of alleged diving incidents so as retrospective punishment can be handed out. The problem here is that as we all know these so-called experts hardly ever see any incident identically,in fact quite often they produce several different opinions on incidents them and their views become entrenched by I'm right and you're wrong egoism . I'm convinced that there would be, different views on the diving claims,take a vote or toss a coin >? Anyway Monsieur Wenger is hardly in any position to lead this campaign after his Edourdo 'forensic evidence' farce that he used to get UEFA to overturn a ban on what was clearly a dive by him in a Champions League game ,Wenger just after the game said that he believed that little Eddy had dived,but later changed his mind after seeing a video that showed a minimal contact by the GK's glove .It was obvious though that this contact could not have forced Eddy to go down like he had been shot by a sniper in the crowd . Nonetheless it was enough for a relieved UEFA to use for an excuse to overturn the ban that someone had their HQ had originally imposed . No doubt Platini saw the ban opening a can of worms and wanted no part of it. So according to Wenger's forensic evidence rule if there is some contact on a player inside the penalty box and he goes down then he must be given the benefit of the doubt.Unless that player is not one of ours of course! You couldn't make it up.There is a case though for sending off players who go down theatrically for penalties when no contact had all was made on them and these can easily be spotted by an instant video replay with an official advising the ref of this. I prefer this instant justice and punishment ,a'la Judge Dredd type, to a later one that has no impact on the game that it happened in. A red card and a 3 game ban would do nicely and help to cut out the diving malarkey .Someone however one should point out to old Arsene that some of our players also go down rather easily when there is a minimal contact to win free-kicks in dangerous areas,not that we make much of the chances,but this is still gamesmanship,I'm being diplomatic here .

  23. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 31, 2014, 13:54 #64188

    Kat 67587, it's all to do with tactics too, other managers know what to do and how to do it against these sides to get results, and especially against us with TOF (The Old Fraud) of a manager we have he can be read like a book, as he doesn't do tactics, he doesn't know how, with as you say his gung ho, no organisation, no discipline one dimensional play.

  24. chris dee

    Dec 31, 2014, 13:34 #64187

    Good to see promising Hector Bellarin effortlessly easing himself into the first team squad and keeping up with the more experienced players by playing a few games and then joining the injury list.

  25. HowardL

    Dec 31, 2014, 13:15 #64185

    Alex - I still enjoy watching football and will support Arsenal "for evermore"; however the phrase of yours that really resonated with me was "I find it pretty scary how I let a football club influence my life in such a way before". I feel exactly like that too, so thanks for penning that sentiment - the current AFC regime has had a 'King's New Suit of Clothes' type of effect on me; whilst I still go to most home games and watched the whole West Ham rerun on Sky, I will no longer allow football to dictate how I spend my time or totally dominate my interests. As an example, It's my cousin's wedding on Sunday and I'm really looking forward to it. Despite the 'romance' of the Cup Final re-run, going to the Hull game was never a consideration. I still want us to win but whereas in the past I'd have agonised over it, gone to the wedding with instructions to daughter for regular text updates, now my thinking is that going to a match at 5.30 on a Sunday evening in January for a trophy that has been devalued for purely commercial reasons is a nonsense. This time it's no contest. One-nil to the wedding.

  26. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 31, 2014, 13:11 #64184

    Ron, 67586, your right a decent manager/coach would get a hell of a lot more out of a handful of our players and help them become better, the rest as you say also rans and second class, and they probably know it that's why they're always so quick to come out and back him and talk him up at every opportunity mostly after another cock up.

  27. Goonercolesyboy

    Dec 31, 2014, 12:45 #64183

    Ron, name me a team that hasn't sold themselves to corporate greed that is worth following. Poor advice to tell your mythical son to follow anyone but Arsenal.

  28. Kat

    Dec 31, 2014, 12:31 #64182

    Ron I always considered people in first world countries to be smart. I can't understand how the fans who go to the emirates accept this. Comparing this to the United fans. Just one bad year and they wanted poor Moyes head. Not only that they demanded world class signing or the Glazers head. Well they got everything they wanted and they are back on the road to being a top club again. Why don't Arsenal fans demand who go there this after years of failure? How can they witness the invincible and be ok with this failure. Really confuse me because if the fans who go there wanted change they would get it and Wenger and co would be powerless.

  29. Ron

    Dec 31, 2014, 12:10 #64181

    KAT - the whole thing is one big spin, myth and yarn job. Ill be brutally honest and speaking as one who my Dad introduced me into the Arsenal in the mid 60s and have been a supporter since, if i had a young Son now who was getting interested in football i wouldnt encourage him to follow Arsenal. If i was still London based which i havent been since 1984, id suggest Palace or the Hammers or even a lower level Club.Far less chance s of glory but those type of clubs still have a soul and haven't prostituted themselves to corporate greed. The fans still have attachment too. Your missing nothing at the Emirates mate. The vast majority who go there found football in the last decade to 15 years or so and the atmosphere there badly reflects it. There's more passion, animation and knowledge of the game at the lesser London footie venues by some distance.

  30. jjetplane

    Dec 31, 2014, 11:49 #64180

    Excellent stuff there RON and the overall psyche is this myth of playing the beautiful game in some football shangri-la until it lands in the Potteries or Manchester. Wenga has sorted out a game plan which is perfection really. very little put into the game in a competitive sense (low risk model) but plenty taken out in the manner of hedge funding. I reckon they are prepared to see the club sink into mid table obscurity while they are making hay. The worst possible scenario would be 4th until the cows come home. That is truly deep level boredom. Thank **** I am watching a team with real problems though even at 9th tier heard a player cried off to go shopping with his girl. Why does Olly boy spring to mind. And they want our support?

  31. Kat

    Dec 31, 2014, 11:46 #64179

    Ron I feel really bitter to learn the reality. I began supporting the club 2 years go so naively I had this image of Wenger as a great man and manager who plays football the right way and was a victim of clubs with unlimited resources like Chelsea and City. Learning the reality of it has made me feel really stupid and a angry at Wenger for getting conned like that. Do you think it could change when Wenger leaves? With how Gazidis goes on about his ambitions to make us like Bayern and how he leaves us with the feeling that Wenger is in control and has restricted him? Is he lying like Wenger? Is this a plot by Wenger and Gazidis both? I dunno why but I don't really trust Gazidis much.

  32. Ron

    Dec 31, 2014, 11:19 #64178

    Hi KAT - they wouldnt ever admit it mate but they play the percentage game, just like the team in the basement do when they prioritize games v the teams near to them so to avoid relegation.These teams even play weaker teams v the big Clubs as they give up the ghost at the outset. In many ways the Arsenal dont need to win big matches. 4TH can be attained without doing so hence they play to win the games they should win and save their energies to do so.Largely it comes off. Wenger talks up the games v the big Clubs for the fans benefit when they come around but he knows his squad wont win any of them unless the other team has every bad day and he gets the rub of the green. Add to this the feeble mentality of the Coach and the players and you have the mix to explain it.You have to think as well that its been many years since they won a big crunch game. They nor Wenger have no benchmark to use to think they can beat the top Clubs. Defeat is etched in their psyche. Its why they look so out of their depth at the big stadiums. The change that people call for is to see the Club gather back its pride and its sense of fight, lost years ago under this Coach. Its isn't because we lose or we want to see massive cash spent. Its out of boredom seeing the Club become cannon fodder for the bigger teams with whom we should at times turn over. Worse still its because they've accepted theyre cannon fodder. The cash flows though. Its their business model. While the fans buy into it and buy the tickets they ve no reason to change such is football in North London today.Essentially Arsenal are what Tottenham want to be. If Tottenham could reach it, it would be genuine success for them too.Liverpool too have the same aspirations but theyre torn asunder by their superb past pedigree as a Euro big hitter and cant decide where to pitch themselves. For Arsenal though, with their resources its abject failure in a sporting sense whatever these on here who diligently back Wenger tell you.Frankly its a disgrace but you must hand it to Arsenal as theyve sold the fans a pup with this ground shift and all its brought with it. Arsenal the football Club abdicated as a competitive entity years back.Do they care? Not much in my view. Things have to decline much more there before they start to look at the present day shambles and ask themselves what changes are needed.

  33. JAMIE

    Dec 31, 2014, 11:15 #64177

    It's very simple really and all down to how you like your football played.Wimbledon back in the eighties played intimidating launch it in your face football which propelled them up the leagues and even won them the FA Cup.Manure in the 90's played a similar style yet with better players scoring 75% of their goals from crosses which brought their glory days back, while Chelsea first under Mourinho gained similar results hoofing it up to Drogba with a few flares from Robben.Percentage football which the wobs claim now to love yet whenever we have tried it in the past everybody has hated,no doubt gains results if not friends.When teams sacrifice pure football for direct play note how other aspects of a teams play can change,ie more diving,more injuring of opponents,more arguing with officials.Arsenal have a good name throughout Europe for playing and conducting ourselves in the right way, I for one would rather it stayed that way...

  34. Kat

    Dec 31, 2014, 10:34 #64176

    Ron it truly suprises me how midtable/relegation teams are able to get results against theses top sides but Arsenal get trashed. The difference I see is these teams play very defensively, organised, play their hearts out. However Arsenal go gung ho attack with no organisation, no defensive discipline, don't work hard enough defensively when they don't have the ball. When they are countered they can't handle it and get humiliated. Arsene with all his experience is shocking against big sides. For a manager who went a season unbeaten its baffling how he can't get results away to top sides.

  35. Ron

    Dec 31, 2014, 8:49 #64175

    DW - there are just a few players there who at a different Club and under a different Coach could thrive and become really great players. Im thinking Ox, Sanchez, who in fairness right now could play well with your grannie as his Coach, but would become truly World class at a demanding Club who meant business, possibly Ramsey too i feel(if hes truly over his injury). Potentially, Chambers as well as he develops physically, though its too early to really say. The rest of them mate. Theyre all destined to be also rans and make weights. Arsenal FC, under this lackadaisical, slippers and pyjamas regime is the pinnacle for them. The good players i mention, given a demanding Coach to imbue them with a '2nd isnt good enough' mentality as has happened to such as Nasri and Clichy. Like them, they would all need to grow physically and mentally though. As for yr win in a big game at a big venue. Dont hold yr breath. Ive seen most of the away games in that bracket over the last few years. Truth is Arsenal are beaten before they get on the pitch. The body language betrays them. Theyre ****---g themselves at the Old Traffords and Etihads. The ball must seem like a grenade at their feet. Its pathetic to see in the flesh. TV coverage doesn't near capture it. Another lambs to the slaughter opera coming up soon at City i venture. This AFC under this feeble minded Coach 2014 sadly.

  36. DW Thomas

    Dec 31, 2014, 0:05 #64174

    Beating Southhampton would be welcome, another good win. But, excuses for 4th will still fly. No real desire for first. Being a winner involves so many things this squad doesn't do. Not saying we're not good at times and I like many of our squad, others just ok. Yet, we lack so many qualities as a club from top to bottom to be winners at seasons end. A malaise has infiltrated the club and many fans' minds. Contentment with just being top 4. No true battle for the top. Failure at almost every big hurdle. When is the last time we won a big game, ata crucial time? Can't remember and that's a shame. Just once I'd like to writ/comment on a big win vs a big team at a key point in the season. An authoritative thumping, or something. Dream, dream, dream, dream...

  37. jjetplane

    Dec 31, 2014, 0:01 #64173

    ColseyBOY Think you will find most people on here don't go 'cause it's **** at the Emirates. A few have watched Arsenal for decades but now don't bother because the manager is a dork and then you have some of his apostles who though they are in a rapturous adoration of Lord Wenga just cannot be bothered to actually register their love in person and so they just send flowers which usually find their way to Diaby's special unit for heroes of the great French foreign legion og er gladiators with special mental capacity ...... drone. I used to watch them from the mid60s til 2005 when I just thought - **** this for a game of soldiers ....

  38. Goonercolesyboy

    Dec 30, 2014, 23:47 #64172

    Good to see the same old twaddle being posted, stroking each other again...say something different please!!

  39. Roy

    Dec 30, 2014, 23:02 #64171

    You're quite right regarding Stoke, Ron. Funny how some people choose not to see what's right in front of them. Also, during the last couple of years, some very average sides have gone there and won including relegated ones such as Norwich last season. As you say, it's only us that give it the rabbit in the headlights job every year. And as for Wengers pathetic excuse for not leaving the bench, don't even get me started !

  40. Ron

    Dec 30, 2014, 22:13 #64169

    Have to say well done to Westie too. Have you noticed how the tone of his post makes the 'draw at Anfield' resonate with imagery of a once mighty,nigh unbeatable and deserving of respect Liverpool. Its actually arguably the worst Liverpool team since the late 1950s. Stoke are 'neanderthals' . This creates the imagery that every team shudders at a visit Stoke and that they win ONLY through muscle and unfair tactics and that defeat v such a leviathan is as inevitable as night following day. Wrong again. They actually play a decent game now and like him or not Hughes teams aren't bad teams. They play it tough as he did but knock it about ok. Its only actually Arsenal who shiver with fear there like whimpering wrecks and inevitably lose nearly every time. Best not let facts get in the way of a Wenger romance though eh Westie. Its fools nobody but the gullible and the foolish. Youre about 2 years behind the times re Stoke bud. Have you not become aware yet that its more or less only Arsenal fans who still think of Stoke as the 2008 - 2012 variety? As Jeff says, you couldnt make it up.

  41. Ron

    Dec 30, 2014, 21:58 #64168

    Truth is Jeff that you have to put yr hands up and say well done to Wenger and the Club for the way it releases the comments to the press and media. Its very astute how they conflate 4th with 1st and make it seem like its one and the same thing. Theyve a ready made audience still though with your Westies and Co gobbling it down them like nectar.In time many more will see through the Arsenal/Wenger myth, not necessarily those as deep rooted in their devotion to Wenger as he and others, but there is a turn. Even parts of the media are braver now in their critique of Wenger. Theres not so many of them standing on ceremony around him now as there was and a few are saying it as it is. The devotees perhaps needs a media propelled shove in the proverbial kidneys to shake themselves out of Wengers and Arsenals deliberately created fog. Lets face it, we ve all at one time placed our faith in him and his methods so they shouldn't be too harshly criticized for remaining duped by it as i see it. Its the way that the devotees trot out the same old stuff to defend whats happening there that can irk though. Theyre rather like cult followers, high on acid at times.

  42. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 30, 2014, 21:21 #64166

    jw, you forgot, because of this frost it caused us to play a little bit with the handbrake on, and no matter what we did and with all our mental strength (and WD40) we could not get it released.

  43. jeff wright

    Dec 30, 2014, 21:00 #64165

    Hiccup, the fact that Wenger and the AKB, make so much of our wins over the lesser sides and prefer not to mention the appalling results against the top ones tells the story. The Saints game is set up for the following excuses,depending on the result: We win this proves we are on the right track with the right manager in charge. We draw then we showed great speeeerit against a good side who Chelsea also failed to beat .We lose then we lacked sharpness and the big ducking German is still celebrating winning the world cup and it's time a winter break was introduced . Everything is relative and so predictable with Wenger. ( yawn)

  44. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 30, 2014, 20:56 #64164

    Hiccup, I hear they had to send out for more Typhoo over at AKB central command.

  45. Hiccup

    Dec 30, 2014, 20:19 #64163

    Jeff, not heard what wenger and woj have had to say. I like to to let them do their talking on the pitch. Obviously, that excludes games against the top clubs, but boy can we talk when QPR and Newcastle roll in to town. Against Chelsea and co though, the handbrake seems to cause a speech impediment. Against United it all becomes one big muffle. If we find our voices at the Saints, that'll make us better than Chelsea who failed to win there.

  46. jeff wright

    Dec 30, 2014, 19:45 #64162

    Hiccup,it's amusing though how the 4th place battle is now ,note Woj's comments after the 'ammers win, being portrayed as us being back in the title race ! This despite the fact that Wenger conceded the title was beyond us months ago after losing at the bridge. Obviously there is a reluctance to admit now that our league games are really only about 4th place. Fear not though because it is only a matter of time, as I predicted to Badarse back in September, that Wenger will be stating again how exciting this battle is.lee KFC and co will be jumping up and down like an out of control pneumatic drill as the titanic battle unfolds singing there is only ONE ARSENE WENGER until their throats are hoarse . At least Wenger now concedes that he can be questioned about his management,albeit only by himself! No prizes though for guessing what his verdict will be.You couldn't make it up.

  47. Hiccup

    Dec 30, 2014, 19:26 #64161

    Can't believe our game against the Saints ain't on the TV? It don't get bigger than 4th v 5th. Wenger's claimed bragging rights over big Sam which caused euphoria at the chimpanzees tea table, all clapping their hands excitably. I had to double check we hadn't won at the Bernabeu listening to the ecstasy of going above West Ham in the table. I also had to check Fergie wasn't the manager of them too, because doing one over on big Sam seemed to be causing a few orgasms as though we'd caused a major upset? I just hope while the Sports channels show live action in the title race that they keep us well informed how the battle for 4th unfolds. Riveting stuff.

  48. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 30, 2014, 18:45 #64160

    Just heard TOF's new year resolution, to question himself and do his best for the club, we'll not be expecting a lot then.

  49. maguiresbridgr gooner

    Dec 30, 2014, 18:25 #64159

    Kat, TOF and his regime would gladly take your years wages too and give you nothing back (only bullshyte) and wouldn't/won't be very quick to put their hands in their own pockets and part with a few quid out of their millions to help you out. Maybe his disciples could pay for your flight, but don't worry your missing nothing.

  50. Bard

    Dec 30, 2014, 18:03 #64158

    Goodness me the atmosphere is getting desperate. Westie is worried about the quality of the football on offer at other clubs …er but not ours + the hackneyed old argument about injuries. To his credit he hasn't mentioned when Diaby and Theo are back things will improve. Lee AFC is just resorting to insults. And Baddie has taken another leave of absence or is that senses. Meanwhile we trundle on in search of the elusive holy grail, 4th place and the prospect of another season ticket price increase.

  51. Kat

    Dec 30, 2014, 17:53 #64157

    Goonercolesyboy - I have never been to a Arsenal game though Its my dream to go to one in my life. I'm a student in India and I really can't afford to go. The pound to rupee coversion rate is insane. Even if I find a decent job here it would take a whole years salary just to pay for the plane ticket to London. To be honest I'm really jealous of you guys who get to go.

  52. Lee afc

    Dec 30, 2014, 17:24 #64156

    Hey Kat. He's not cheating on Jeff and his crew because they don't put anything into the club other than constant negative comments. And Jeff... It could be that you and Mr Wenger are related.... because as you stated" he never admits to being wrong about anything" . Younger brother maybe????

  53. Goonercolesyboy

    Dec 30, 2014, 17:20 #64155

    I am curious to know how many that post on here actually go to our matches, or sit at home?

  54. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 30, 2014, 14:48 #64154

    KAT, and he's not the only one doing it, his disciples have been doing it for years.

  55. jeff wright

    Dec 30, 2014, 14:26 #64153

    KAT, Wenger is easily able to justify to himself anything that he does. He never admits to being wrong about anything. Also as I have pointed out before a man who cheats on his wife will cheat on anyone. Wenger is no paragon of virtue by any means,nor is he the 24 hour a day devoted to AFC man that he is happy to be portrayed as being. Some folk will believe anything though.Wenger being the sly cunning character that he is knows this and exploits it to his own advantage.

  56. Mark T

    Dec 30, 2014, 14:16 #64152

    Sorry, I must have been at a different game. Yes, it was an exciting game of football, but..... We missed a hatful of chances, were wobbly at the back and less than solid in midfield. We could have won 7-5 or lost 5-2. Excuse me for not popping the champagne. But crumbs can appear to be feasts in times of famine.

  57. KAT

    Dec 30, 2014, 14:12 #64151

    jeff wright I find it shocking that Arsene seems to put his own interests before the clubs. I mean he is getting paid 8m a year. Shouldn't be doing his absolute best he can. 8m How can he just take that and do it without any guilt? Surely he must know he is cheating millions of Arsenal fans. I don't how he can do this knowing this fact. Imagine taking 8m while knowing you're cheating millions of people who spend their lives on this club. This is simply horrible. I can't even find the words to talk about this.

  58. jeff wright

    Dec 30, 2014, 13:56 #64150

    KAT, all of Wenger's actions start from a financial point of view , his own ! Hey ,it's not by chance that he will depart from us (eventually) with over £80m in his bank accountant. Some of his loot is earned from his French connection image, commercial deals and TV work,etc. His image though took a big nose dive during the World Cup in Brazil when French TV viewers complained about his comments on les bleus games being nonsensical and he was fired afterwards. The Diaby situation is linked to Wenger's claims to be a French football supporter who helps to promote their football and to develop players. You are right of course in saying that no other manager would have wasted so much time and money on a player who is always injured and who spends more time praying at the mosque then he does playing football for us.This is Arsene Wenger though and as I said before the Diaby fiasco sums up perfectly his autocratic management of our club.

  59. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 30, 2014, 13:51 #64149

    CGO, that's one long pass that has and keeps going right over they're heads, KAT, his adopted son is giving half his wages into the household.

  60. jjetplane

    Dec 30, 2014, 13:44 #64148

    On the ball there MG and KAT. Fabregas was never going back to the serial failure at any point. Would ruin a good player's career.

  61. KAT

    Dec 30, 2014, 13:41 #64147

    jeff wright I don't understand why Arsene keeps so much trust in Diaby. He is always injured yet Arsene always acts like it will be different every time he come back from injury. I don't understand why Arsene wants to waste wages and a squad place on a player who is pretty much useless as he never plays when you could get another who could play the who season and you know be useful. I think its insane. I don't understand why such an experienced manger like Arsene does this.

  62. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 30, 2014, 13:32 #64146

    DWT, spot on again mate, how can so many so called Arsenal fans love mediocrity, as you say there's only one thing/person they love. The only fans who truly love Arsenal are the ones who aren't in love with it's manager and want change and have been calling for it for seasons now, and will continue to do so until it comes.

  63. jeff wright

    Dec 30, 2014, 13:28 #64145

    Ron those old excuses are like the Xmas pop videos that get rerun every Xmas - although rather dated with George Michael's dodgy barnet and what have you ,none the less the TV stations don't have anything else to use so they just keep trotting them out. The Diaby fiasco is a damming verdict on Wenger's rule and perfectly sums up his French FCUK you all French orientated connection that puts his own personal financial interests in front of those of AFC . I'm expecting much more of this malarkey before Wenger's time is over.

  64. KAT

    Dec 30, 2014, 13:16 #64144

    AMG I have doubts whether even if Arsene wanted to sign him he would have come back. Dunno why but I think he would have chosen Chelsea over us. But yes he is a brilliant player and its a joy to watch the master at work.

  65. AMG

    Dec 30, 2014, 12:44 #64143

    Cesc Fabregas is top of the league for assists - 13, chances created - 61 and passes - 1563 (according to Sky Sports Opta... bla bla) Chelsea are top of the league, Arsenal are 5th, maybe there's a correlation.

  66. alsace

    Dec 30, 2014, 12:28 #64142

    Thereis an element of good fortune in any winning performance and more than most in ours. A good attacking performance with more than our fair share of the chances. Song's goal being disallowed was ridiculous. Two DM's was a good idea.

  67. jjetplane

    Dec 30, 2014, 11:49 #64141

    WESTIE is such a loyal supporter he doesn't even go! Neither does Baddie but both don't want to highlight that little niggle. That's why JAMIE is number one AKB with lee KFC (his mum takes him) and WESTIE third and guess who at 4th. You could not make it up. Using the long ball does not entail 'hoofball' - just a shame no one at Arsene FC is permitted to try a long past when 45 sideway ones will do. Could not make it up. Only real gooners say that. 50% AKBs on a plastic passion trip - fact! One thing that is needed in the PL is a big shuffle in the top 4 spots. Soon see if your aging leader has the energy and interest for the duration. YAWN.

  68. Charlie George Orwell

    Dec 30, 2014, 10:58 #64140

    As much as I detest Moan U, that would be the hoofball team that we’ve beaten once in the last 6 or 7 years and have finished above us since 2006?

  69. Ron

    Dec 30, 2014, 10:42 #64139

    Westie - you and the rest of the crew not aborting the FAC this year then? Hows that then? Preach as much as you like matey but it was us who call for change at the Club who prompted us toward going for the FAC last Season, not you AW loving uber fans. Im surprised you've yet chiselled the egg off your face/s. Carry on deluding yourself buddy, but Wengers winning nothing this Season.

  70. Westlower

    Dec 30, 2014, 9:51 #64138

    The dissolute band of ex Arsenal supporters masquerading as Gooners are now having to resort to cynicism & insults to try and keep their flaky 'Wenger out' agenda afloat. I understand that your fragile egos have been badly bruised by recent games; 7 wins, a draw at Anfield and a defeat by the Stoke neanderthals has rather deflated your inflated opinions that you hold so dear. Doubtless, you'll all be roaring the Saints to victory on New Years Day to boost your flagging spirits before we set off in defence of the FA Cup & playing Monaco in the ECL. Regardless of results I hold no grudges & I wish you all a Happy & fulfilling New Year. God bless the good ship Arsenal FC & all who sail in her. Jamie was proved correct by labelling Manure as a hoofball team, as they have made the second most long passes this season 1,437, just behind Burnley. Loyal Arsenal supporters instinctively know these things!

  71. David

    Dec 30, 2014, 7:50 #64137

    West lower doing his usual Wormtongue impression. Badarse usually badcks him up. Let's see how long his self restraint holds now that AWs team is blowing the Reveille.

  72. Bard

    Dec 30, 2014, 0:28 #64136

    Fierce stuff out there tonight. Amazing what a win does for the faithful. Any more of this and we will be seeing 'we can win the CL' posts. Im afraid Im out of it for a while and am writing this in a bar on the beach in San Andres, an island off the coast of Colombia. Unlikely that I will get to see the Soton game as Ive posted Arsenal are an irrelevance out here, might have to suffer the Chavs. Till later.

  73. jjetplane

    Dec 29, 2014, 23:32 #64135

    21st Century Schizoid Man. You crazy hippy JAMiE. Never thought of the Emirates as an opium den but then it being 'the religion of the masses' I can see where WESTIE gets his inspiration. Having many memories of wandering up to the East Stand with a spliff on the go in the old days. Rock on geezer!

  74. JAMIE

    Dec 29, 2014, 23:07 #64134

    If I have a spliff on the go then the Doors 'Strange Days'goes down a treat at half time.Where I sit you can virtually write your own rules as there's only one steward a five foot Italian guy in his mid sixties.Robert Johnson's 'King of the Delta Blues Singers'is a favourite of mine after a couple of beers or maybe King Crimson 'In the court of the Crimson King.

  75. DW Thomas

    Dec 29, 2014, 22:44 #64133

    What a bunch of mediocrity loving sons of guns so many fans have become. The love so many fans say they have for the club is really for the deluded one. Judge him in May. 10 years of judgements and he is still in charge making princely sums. As JW says, you couldn't make it up!

  76. Ron

    Dec 29, 2014, 22:26 #64132

    Jeff - dont indulge Westie when he starts 'calender yearing' it please. We ve had i'injuries' already. Before you know it 'net spend' will rear its dastardly head and then heaven forbid ' tiredness' after all of that tough travelling on sleighs pulled by dogs to France and back will be rolled out onto the red carpet, closely followed by 'we ve missed Diaby, he ll soon be back and hes the missing piece of the midfield jigsaw'. All of this crap will be laced with hefty doses of 'we ve missed Rosicky'and 'Gnabry's needed, he needs to be back soon'. Combine all of these and then here it comes ' you ll see how we ll improve' will arrive with a great fanfare. Dont tell me youve forgotten the battle cry of 12 months back from today of 'Cmon you rip roaring, title chasing Gunners, lets abort both domestic Cups to save the lads from tiring in the the title push'? Im thinking that you have and it worries me a bit? Please tell that you have nt Jeff?

  77. jjetplane

    Dec 29, 2014, 21:28 #64131

    Spoken like a true and dutiful servant of a still great empire. Liverpool are back but nothing like a bit of competition from more familiar quarters. Are you a Yardbirds man or maybe Fleetwood Mac? Love that 60s stuff though keeping up with the kids I do not mind a bit of electronica or some of dat grime bruv. Happy viewing mate.

  78. JAMIE

    Dec 29, 2014, 21:11 #64130

    jj-I always think it best to make a good impression.Too many pierced tattooed weirdos with suspect sexuality these days for my liking.If we all sunk to the same depths of depravity what would become of this nation of ours.

  79. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 29, 2014, 20:13 #64129

    Reality, even more so if he'd have dealt with it properly over the last eight years, but there again he'd have had to know what he was doing, and to think some still think he does, or has learned, and it's going to be different.

  80. Reality

    Dec 29, 2014, 19:42 #64128

    shows what would have been possible if Wenger had of properly dealt with defensive cover during the summer. he preferred a month in brazil watching the world cup. he should have spent more time liek probably Mourinho did and properly thought about what did his squad need to progress ? cover in central defence and defensive midfield.

  81. jjetplane

    Dec 29, 2014, 19:40 #64127

    Keep up the good work JW you got the chicken squeaking like a headless one. Nice to see some sportzfanz are dressing up for a visit to the Wok. Also said fans are touchingly retro in their refusal to listen the their wholesome rock music on a phone, preferring to take cds to the match for their pirated pleasure while stinking the place out with fish paste sarnies. That you could not make up. On the matter of football am also looking forward to Koeman nicking 4th spot through resolute defending and Citeh retaining their title leading to the mother of all meltdowns. Would you like to comment Maureen .... The other football matter is the impending convergence of our Stan and Mike Ashley into the same body. Seems the Toon manager likes a bit of football along with the dosh. Lastly - never thought Juventus was the place for Ozil at a knockdown price of 24m. Funny old game. Cannot explain it but have a soft spot of City and wish them well for the season. Southampton too of course. Never a better time to get either Klopp or Martinez signed up - any comments WEsTIE?

  82. Ken

    Dec 29, 2014, 19:26 #64126

    JAMIE- That's right, the very same Ken complaining about being below West Ham at Christmas after 8 years of predictable, avoidable nothingness. And Wenger doesn't need to sign any top players to keep himself in his £8m a year pressure-free job, his fawning disciples will make sure he continues to live in the lap of professional luxury just as long as he likes.

  83. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 29, 2014, 19:12 #64125

    DWT, a very apt description of TOF, and still his fans favourite food.

  84. jeff wright

    Dec 29, 2014, 19:12 #64124

    Yes Wenger deserves credit for signing Sanchez but that doesn't change the fact that Sanchez has saved his job . Signings by managers of top clubs are supposed to be about helping to challenge for top honours,such as the Premier League , and not to try and paper over the cracks in their squads . Maureen was elated to sign Fabregas because he knew that he,along with the other top players that he had,would give him a chance against City for the title. I doubt that he lost any sleep over Wenger signing Sanchez because he knows how weak overall our squad ,compared with his one is,and that tactically Wenger is a duffer with all the nous that god gave a duck's arse . The sad fact is that once again Wenger came up short at the bridge this season with Sanchez on fire and Danny Boy having just scored a hat trick against mighty Galatasaray but we could not even muste a single shot on goal and lost 2-0 .That was better admittedly than losing 6-0 ,but it was still another defeat by Wenger to a top side. Once again lee KFC you are confusing your slavish dog like devotion to Arsene with supporting AFC. Wenger is past it and a couple of wins here and there against ordinary sides is not going to change that ,he is praying that Sanchez stays fit because without him he is doomed .If you are happy with Wenger's management then bully for you,but as even you must be aware ,a lot of AFC supporters are not happy with it. Anyway, why don't we do as Arsene suggests and judge him in May .What would be your criteria for him having had a good season be then if as likely he doesn't win anything . I can see another humiliation awaiting for him in Europe ,if not by Monaco then by one of the top sides .Will 4th place if he gets it be enough to keep him on for another yawn inducing season for you? I suspect that it will be ,where there is no sense there is no reason! You couldn't make it up.

  85. JAMIE

    Dec 29, 2014, 18:58 #64123

    Is that Ken the man complaining we were below West Ham last week.I thought the role of the manager was to sign players that would improve the team and keep him in a job.So according to jeff wright Carzorla,Ox,Welbeck,Sczezney and Koscielny had nothing to do with yesterdays win.

  86. Lee afc

    Dec 29, 2014, 18:28 #64122

    You are like a stuck record Jeff. Same thing over and over... Who signed Sanchez? And who is getting the best out of him? Its the manager. If Sanchez had flopped in this country, the manager would have been criticised for wasting money. You negatives need to get a hobby cos it aint Arsenal fc.

  87. Ken

    Dec 29, 2014, 18:13 #64121

    JAMIE- Are you seriously doubting Klopp's credentials after a few bad results? I thought knee jerk short-termism was the realm of a WOB. Then again, some of us have been patiently waiting 10 years for Wenger's team to enter the business end of the season with even the merest sniff of the title in their nostrils.

  88. jeff wright

    Dec 29, 2014, 17:31 #64120

    Dear, Jamie/Peter, all of your hysterical trolling will not change the facts that Sanchez has saved Wenger's job for him this season,without him he would be like a sailor washed overboard in a turbulent sea without a life jacket to help keep him afloat. Premier League Arsenal FC P.18 Goals.10 Assists 6 Champions League Arsenal FC P.7 Goals 4. Assists 1 . Case closed m'lud. Even your pal Rumphole of the Alely would have a job trying to disprove Sanchez's claims for us being a one man show. Even in Henry's day we had others that could step up to the plate if required.

  89. JAMIE

    Dec 29, 2014, 17:15 #64119

    Same old rubbish used by the Arsenal knockers,if Sanchez gets injured yawn yawn.Seems like I've heard that before jw about every Arsenal team ever.As soon as Arsenal put a few wins together you revert back to your circular reasoning and crystal ball gazing telling everybody what's going to happen and how our opponents are so unlucky against us.Who's the new replacement for Wenger at the moment Martinez,Klopp,Rodgers,Moyes?????.

  90. Ken

    Dec 29, 2014, 16:32 #64118

    Westlower- Why do your Mert/Kos stats end on 8/2/14 mate? Surely not because shortly after they both played 90 mins in our embarrassing thrashing by Liverpool, our annual spineless capitulation to the mighty Stoke City and 45 mins together at Chelsea before Kos was taken off with the score at 4-0. Your posts just go to highlight how lucky we were with injuries last season, not having to play one game without both our first choice centre-backs, and our one proper centre-forward not missing one game through injury. We were truly blessed.

  91. jeff wright

    Dec 29, 2014, 16:24 #64117

    Oh dear,calendar years are back again ! I love these carefully chosen stats that you pick out Westie to try and prove points. The truth is that Kos has starred in the worst defeats ever suffered by us in our history and him limping off when the going gets tough is nothing unusual either . He did in the 4-0 away trouncing at AC Milan . I don't go much by those 'undefeated' stats, these can hide a multitude of sins, too many draws can be worse than a couple of defeats. How many leads have we tossed away with the big ducking German and Kos playing together then >? I don't even need to check this to know the awful truth. Yesterday again our two CB's were exposed on corners and set pieces /crosses , and the WH goal came from a cross and the result of our inability to defend against it.Chesnay did well up until the end of the game to get our CB's out of jail but still needed Valencia to miss with an header from a yard out for us to win 2-1 having led 2-0 at half-time. . It could have been a bit easier had Welbeck,who scored a tap-in ,had been able to convert the more difficult chances that he had,but he fluffed his lines as usual by snatching at the chances to blaze wide or over the bar. I still don't see injuries or suspensions though making much difference to our hopes ,other than Sanchez,if he gets crocked for awhile or runs out out of steam , then we will have problems. His goals and assists have saved Wenger's hide so far this season .

  92. Westlower

    Dec 29, 2014, 15:44 #64116

    @Jeff The BFG/Kos combo isn't such a myth when you consider they went 31 PL games from 1/2/2012 to 8/2/2014 only losing twice. The defeat against Villa came after Koscielny was sent off & hapless Anthony Taylor awarded Villa 2 pens. The other defeat was away at Man City where Kos was injured & didn't appear for the 2nd half. Otherwise Arsenal were unbeaten in that calendar year when they both completed 90 minutes. This season Arsenal have only lost at Chelsea in the PL when the pair were playing.

  93. jeff wright

    Dec 29, 2014, 15:43 #64115

    Jamie/Peter, whatever, is def a troll on wind - ups . He is not very good at it though.No one could possibly get excited about manager who finishes 4th in the league every season and goes out in the European Cup the first time he meets a top side. I have more chance of picking an accumaltor on Football matches New Years Day than Wenger has of winning the European Cup. It's just a case of chancing his arm in the FAC again and grimly battling away for 4th spot in the league in reality.

  94. JAMIE

    Dec 29, 2014, 15:29 #64114

    These people who say Arsenal no longer mean anything to them don't half spend a lot of their day putting forth comments.In my opinion Arsenal still miles ahead of the rest for entertainment and ability,watched the spud manure hoofball bore yesterday,not impressed at all,followed by the first half of Soton,Chelsea again a bit of yawn fest with Chelsea players throwing themselves all over the place.Finally Wham Arsenal,Wham did like many teams do against us and play it like their cup final,lots of running about yet eventually class showed through and I can guarantee we won't lose more than two league games for the rest of this season.Arsenal will also go further than the other English teams in this years champs league as we are better on the ball and more equipped to take on the better Euro teams at their own game,I predict both the chavs and city will exit the competition this round and as I said earlier we could well go on and win it with 3rd place being our final league position.Watch this space Gooners.

  95. DW Thomas

    Dec 29, 2014, 15:10 #64113

    Best thing about the game was we beat a team above us for once. Now 5th but who cares? We will maybe get fourth. Agree with some, the club have eroded most of my joy watching. Doing a fantasy league now so paying more attention to other teams and players. Fabregas getting so many assists, Silva coming back and impacting City right away, etc, etc. We are a hypocritical club. Acting like we're above so many others, but never quite getting there. The CL spots are a joke for me. It should be top two. Then surely Wenger's myth would be put to bed forever. Even the Olympics only rewards top 3 and that's every four years! The money rules now, maybe it always has. But, saying we're competing is just nonsense. Now Poldi may be off? What a bullshi..er we have as a manager. Just hope we get what's badly needed in January. Wait, haven't I said that for 10 seasons now? Hello Monsieur Groundhog!

  96. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 29, 2014, 14:45 #64112

    Alex, I know exactly what you mean, Arsenal are no longer the be all and end all with me anymore either, a couple of other things that I was finished with for years and years have become of great interest to me again, and I look forward to them happening and coming around a hell of a lot more than an Arsenal match, and it's all thanks to a past it old Fraud of a manager

  97. jeff wright

    Dec 29, 2014, 14:16 #64111

    lee KFC, hey chicken brain, we have not managed to string 3 league wins together all season ,we are 4 places ands 9 points worse off than at this time last year. So give it a rest with your usual gloating AFTER a win and tell us instead what the result will be BEFORE we play Southampton.They play in red and white stripes by the way just in case you think they are Stoke !

  98. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 29, 2014, 14:13 #64110

    Sam, were stuck with yet another Cart horse thanks to TOF, that's if he's not of the opinion a loan move would kill him.

  99. jeff wright

    Dec 29, 2014, 14:03 #64109

    With the usual annual ,it was the injuries wot done for Arsene , alive and well and up and running ( yet again ) it is worth commenting on this excuse. The only player that I can see that would make a difference is Sanchez, and he has been injury free. So we can rule him out of any blame for the poor league results that are nine points worse than last season same games played and last season we had less points at this time than we did the season before. So is this really a sign that Arsene is on the cusp of greatness >? Wenger could cobble together any number of different players from our squad and add Sanchez and then produce results like we have had all season. The teams he has selected and results say so. The problem is Wenger himself ,he just can't beat top sides ,again the results against them this term says so. You can argue against many things in football but results are not one of them. They tell it as it is.

  100. Lee afc

    Dec 29, 2014, 13:46 #64107

    Ha ha ha... Have you read Jeff Rights last post. He is gutted we won yesterday. Seven wins in nine and 20 goals scored. Stop watching match of the day Jeff, their bias is nearly as bad as yours.

  101. JAMIE

    Dec 29, 2014, 13:02 #64105

    It all depends on a persons outlook and what he expects from the club.I have the best seat in the house at the Emirates as far as normal seats are concerned just as I used to at Highbury in the East Stand.I always take a bag to home games which has my half time refreshments in it ale and sarnies and some classic 60's rock cd's so I don't have to listen to any modern guff played at half time.No body has ever tried to take it from me,if you look the part as I tend to do as I always wear a suit and tie they leave you alone.I never spend any extra money at the game and just enjoy the day.If we win it makes my weekend yet if we don't I've learned to get over it and would never stoop to the level of the wob's and their always the victim philosophy and re-known spuds like finsbury joe will happily slag the akb's off so beware what direction you're heading in.I new a man once who was a fully fledged wob for ten years,he's now a Daniel Wynne disciple and fully paid up member of the spud supporters club..As far as getting the rub of the green with officials,it's down to how the players react to the ref.The manure of old reacted like their manager to every decision that went against them which meant they got everything.Arsenal players never used to react at all which meant we got screwed over more than not.These days our players are more proactive which means we've got the rub of the green more than usual.Websites like Untold Arsenal have also helped as they show the refs who are weak to the players and certain teams and expose them.

  102. Hiccup

    Dec 29, 2014, 13:02 #64104

    What the hell is Mourinho moaning about? A campaign by all refs, pundits etc against Chelsea? I hope the FA throw the book at him! The AKB's have full copyright to blurting out such utter sh!t. Did you see the ref yesterday? Jamie was spot on that he had it in for us. The last thing we need is anyone else nicking our excuses. I'm incensed by it!

  103. jeff wright

    Dec 29, 2014, 12:58 #64103

    The BFG is twice the player with Kos in tandem is a myth Westie, Chesnay covered their backs all afternoon on corners and set pieces at which those pair never won a challenge! Chesnay nearly ruined his MOTM performance right at the death when he was nowhere near to catching the ball from a corner ,that the BFG and Kos also, yet again , failed to defend against. Fortunately the West Ham player headed the ball just over our cross-bar much to Chesnay's relief ! Otherwise the game ended 2-2. No one could complain really had it done so after the 'ammers had played us off the park in the first half and were unlucky to end up 2-0 down. Personally I did not think that we did defend that well but it being a case of us getting away with it . I won't be lumping on us to beat Southampton away based on our last two games that just look deja vu all season . It is a results game however and 6 points from two games over Xmas is as good as it gets ,but we are doing worse than last season at this time and that gap between us and Chelsea is as big as the Grand Canyon. 4th place though again looks on .(yawn)

  104. Ron

    Dec 29, 2014, 12:46 #64102

    AFC s injury list is never any worse than any Other Clubs Westie, they just talk about it more as do many of the fans like you. Its always a useful smokescreen though to hide reality from. It never amazes me how many people are content to live life making excuses for low achievement and living in fear of reality.Your post is very condescending. Did Badarse write it for you, while youve been manning the security gates at AKB Command?

  105. Westlower

    Dec 29, 2014, 12:33 #64101

    It never ceases to amaze me how some people cannot countenance the impact that injuries to key players has on a team/squad. Man City are a great example. Who would have thought they'd be incapable of not holding on to a 2 goal lead at home to Burnley. They were minus 3 key players. Does anyone believe they would have only drawn had Kompany, Toure & Aguero been available? Wenger would have been slaughtered if he was their manager. Arsenal have never been able to play their first choice back 4 all season. BFG looks twice the player alongside Koscielny. Defensively, it's just sod's law we've suffered lengthy injuries to Debuchy & Kos. How many teams are minus midfielders/attackers Walcott, Giroud, Wilshere, Ramsey, Ozil, Arteta & Rosicky at the same time? Chelsea have mo injury concerns. What if Chelsea were minus Costa, Hazard, Matic, Fabregas, Oscar, Ramires & Willian? Arsenal will continue to improve as injured players return with Walcott, Ramsey & Ozil due back in the coming weeks. Not surprised Podolski will be leaving in Jan as we're really well served in the forward positions. I would rather see Ox playing wide left although Podolski is a good impact player coming off the bench. Compliments to Coquelin, Ox & Cazorla for outstanding performances at the Boleyn. Winston Reid or William Carvalho anyone?? I think we can safely remove Martinez from the short list of managers to replace Wenger. Only QPR have conceded more goals than Everton. I spoke to an Evertonian mate last week and he feels they are going backwards under Martinez. @Alex, A persons perception on all things in this life changes with age & experience, it's called maturity. Accept and enjoy it as you wont live forever! You've made a good start by acknowledging that the other side can play better football on any given day.

  106. Ron

    Dec 29, 2014, 12:21 #64100

    Hi Alex. Excellent post. I agree totally. We ve a lot in common. I get naffed off with the southern based media love in about Tottenham still. Its always been that way all of my life.A lot of press hacks have always been Totts or Hammers, esp when Fleet Street was the hub of it, not quite so pronounced now admittedly. Really empathize with you on other teams. I like to appreciate the others too. I was always brought up to respect the opponent and to accept getting beaten when it happens. Without an opponent there's no game is there and begrudging them their dues when they've earned it takes a bit out of the person i always think. A lot of our fans are just bored mate. Its as simple as that. The Club has become an illusion, a parody of itself, like the Spuds but at a higher level. I get to see a few other Clubs every now and again though and its good, though its always been the sport first for me and then the Arsenal. I honestly think other Clubs fans get more enjoyment from football than do Arsenal fans, many of who in my view have disappeared up their own back sides since we moved to that Stadium. The Club has. It really seems to think its made it and that its truly big time now. Its far from it. Its a Club that haughtily poo poos the way City and Chelsea have emerged, yet honest fans everywhere else think its great that Man Utd and Liverpool have been displaced after nigh on 60 years between them of largely unbroken hegemony. I hope that the Saints can really get in there and shake that top 4 (does that still exist?) tree to its roots. I know that many fans everywhere are rooting for them, not so much West Ham but credit big Sam, hes doing well there. They ll dump him for a bit more of a flash harry modern type of coach though once they move stadium. As much as i reckon the PL is a largely poor, ive enjoyed seeing Chelsea this year. Cant help but be impressed yet when the likes of the Spanish big two and Munich etc get a hold of them and City in the CL it will dawn on people how poor that PL is. They both get ragged like a woollen doll in a terriers mouth. Arsenals fate in it awaits them too. As far as yesterdays game applies, there was nothing at all wrong with Songs goal and the pen was highly dubious. Arent they all these days? Hammers deserved a draw i thought. They couldnt quite ruffle our keystone cops at the back enough and the Pole in goal did ok getting to high balls as Gooner Ron mentions (hes still an awful keeper though). Carroll was disappointing. I thought he d have had Mertersacker for breakfast dinner and tea. A draw at St Marys will be some achievement. I cant see Arsenal having enough to win there.

  107. Alex

    Dec 29, 2014, 12:03 #64099

    Howard - I like you used to think the refs had it in for Arsenal. But this season I have been watching Arsenal as a neutral. Refs don't have it in for Arsenal and enjoy a good share of decisions from the referees. Its makes me cringe when Wenger or our player complain to referees. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate - I have actually done it this season mate. Concentrating much more on my personal life than worry about a club that probably doesn't even know I exist. I've missed a lot games this year. Thanks for your concern mate.

  108. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Dec 29, 2014, 11:55 #64098

    Alex - you need to get out more. It's only rock and roll.

  109. Alex

    Dec 29, 2014, 11:52 #64097

    Ron - You're probably right but I suppose since I don't have hatred of Spurs or any other team anymore so I'm not really critical of them as well. I don't even have motivation anymore to watch Arsenal matches. Its just a thing I do. Even if we score or the opposition score I doesn't even matter to me. I don't complain or curse any of our player anymore nor Wenger. If anything Wenger has killed me as fan. I wonder if when a new man does eventually come in it will go back to the way it used to be a fan. Although the one thing that has come of it I never used to watch the opposition. But these day in Arsenal matches I pretty much watch as neutral observing the other side. Its pretty refreshing. While last year the 5-0, 6-0 destroyed me but this years destruction at Dortmund I thoroughly enjoyed Dortmund's performance. It has made me appreciate other teams. Another huge thing is I have been able to concentrate so much more on my personal life. I only realise now how much of an hold Arsenal had on me but Arsenal don't really affect my personal life or anything else in any way anymore. I find it pretty scary how I let a football club influence my life in such a way before. Day by day my interest in Arsenal and football is dying. I don't know if I will eventually end watching Arsenal and football altogether but I wish this all changes under the new manager. Its also scares me how I used to hate Wenger before. A man I never met or ever had a conversation with. I don't know how I feel about Wenger anymore. Even at all the things he does that would have made me angry in the past doesn't matter to me. I just watch what he does without any care. All these make wonder how a simple thing as football has had such an effect on my life.

  110. HowardL

    Dec 29, 2014, 11:49 #64096

    Another good balanced report. I for one will not miss Upton Park but well covered yesterday as the lead match on Sky. Enjoyable performance by the lads and but for their keeper we might have had 4 or 5, but whilst I need more than this from Wenger, some people seem to moan at everything he does - even when it proves successful? Some balance, please! As for Fat Sam moaning about 'offside': there were 3 WH players obscuring SzCz's view so the ref was spot on to disallow it. The surprise is that we got the decision at all - possibly the ref thought Song still played for us?

  111. JAMIE

    Dec 29, 2014, 11:35 #64095

    Too right Ron,fj you're spuds have never had their act together,complete joke of a club.Pool and manure I can begrudgingly acknowledge as like us they have a history.Tiny Totts are on the same level as Blackburn, Sunderland or West Ham mid-table turds for most of their history,bottlers even at home and always as soft as shiite.

  112. Ron

    Dec 29, 2014, 11:32 #64094

    Alex. hi mate. Some things in life just 'are' mate. The Spuds being an ordinary rabble despite the oodles of cash they sling at it every few years is one of those givens. Im not a Wenger man now as you know, but hes streets ahead of that guy Pochtettini who wont be there that long. Hes doing his best with a load of rubbish buys that the other 'great' Coach (AVB)left for him though. Credit due and i do like the guy. Tottenham are a disparate bunch of ordinary joes who hold firm at 6th/to 8th only because its a largely a crap league and Lloris (an excellent goal keeper) pulls their nuts out of the fire every week. Hes the one player i d have off them. Tottenham have been an illusion. The type of Club who if they weren't London based nobody would ever mention. Theres a big gap between Arsenal and Tottenham mate when the chips are down. Its that illusion facet of Tottenham that makes it seem other wise at times. Their own fans know it too.

  113. Seven Kings Gooner

    Dec 29, 2014, 11:20 #64093

    Two very average players played in front of the back four and we looked steady. That formation freed up Cazorla to play a more adventurous role. That was the only difference for me - imagine if the two holding players were Alonso and Khedira.

  114. Happy?Not while Wenger is in charge

    Dec 29, 2014, 11:07 #64092

    Kev this time last year we were top.Now we are happy to be 5th.Sadly the fools cant see the decline.Yesterday another paper over the cracks win.We win finish 4th and the AKB's will tell us what a genius Wenger is.Too many deluded fans happy with 4th.4th is for title also rans

  115. Torbay gooner

    Dec 29, 2014, 10:13 #64091

    A decent away performance for once and a deserved 3 points. Can we do the same at Southampton?

  116. Peter Wain

    Dec 29, 2014, 9:57 #64090

    Coquelin was superb. Great performance by him now he has to do it at Southampton

  117. GoonerRon

    Dec 29, 2014, 8:52 #64089

    Cracking game and hard fought win. A bit harsh on Ches to highlight one error rather than praise the countless times he claimed off his line through a crowd of players. Quite nice to see Coquelin in there, he added some real energy in the middle of the park. I think those who question the wisdom of bringing on defensive subs towards the end would be the first to criticise if we had made like for like attacking subs and conceded at the end. We protected the lead we had in a difficult away game which always has to be job one (and something we've all moaned about when we haven't done it, a la Swansea away).

  118. Alex

    Dec 29, 2014, 8:48 #64088

    divingrooney - Anyone can see Podolski is not suited to playing wide nor does he have the attributes to succeed there. Everyone but Arsene. This is simply another case of Wenger buying players with no plan on how he will use them and playing them out of position. Another prime example right now is Chambers who again is not suited to playing at right back yet Wenger keeps playing him. Wenger is not good at developing players which explains why at the almost zero percent of academy players that have come through.

  119. Alex

    Dec 29, 2014, 8:36 #64087

    Ron - Not sure about that Ron. Pochettino has done a good job of making them a decent side. It will be interesting to see how far he can take them once he gets the players who fit his style. To be honest there really isn't much difference between Arsenal and them now. There really isn't anything to laugh at. I'm sure Wenger will get his 4th place ahead of them due to purely having better quality of a squad. Though they certainly have a superior manager. Some worrying rumours about the arabs taking them over. Would hate to see them become the next Chelsea/City and go ahead of us.

  120. divingrooney

    Dec 29, 2014, 8:32 #64086

    Sam - Podolski never played because he never fit into be a Wenger's choir boy. I remember even in his early days Podolski was questioning why he was being played wide. -----------------------------------------In all the games, I have seen Poldoski play for Germany, around 100 +, we has always played left or drifted wide left, so not sure why you are blaming Wenger...

  121. Ron

    Dec 29, 2014, 8:28 #64085

    FJ - The Spuds 'get their act together'. Are you bringing Blancflower, Bob Smith and black and white teles back or some thing? What act have they ever had? Ha. Talk about the AKB being delusional, the spuds fans live in constant fantasy land. However things are at Arsenal, we always have the spuds to laugh at when things get really irritating. The spuds have never had 'an act' mate, save for a year or two half a century back. Londons Bham City equivalent and always will be.

  122. Alex

    Dec 29, 2014, 8:13 #64084

    Sam - Podolski never played because he never fit into be a Wenger's choir boy. I remember even in his early days Podolski was questioning why he was being played wide. Wenger can't handle questioning he just wants a bunch of choir boys who will do as he says. Hence the lack of any real men for Arsenal. He never allowed Vieira back to Arsenal. This man is horrible.

  123. Sam

    Dec 29, 2014, 8:02 #64083

    looks like Wenger is letting Podolski go on loan to Inter Milan. Makes me very angry, but I wish Poldi well.I'm sure he'll score lots of goals for Inter and Mancini. A better manager at Arsenal and we'd have seen many more goals from him. We're an injury to the constantly-played Alexis away from dropping way down the table again. I presume OGL can't get any takers for the useless Sanogo.

  124. Alex

    Dec 29, 2014, 6:34 #64082

    3rd, 4th its all nonsense anyway. The only place that matters is 1st. And Wenger will never finish there. With the money he has any decent manager would have won the league for us. As for the performance it was pathetic. West ham area rubbish team with a rubbish manager and yet could have scored 5 or 6 goals. Wenger really is a fraud of a manager. He has no clue about maanagement. Just a bloke who was in the right place at the right time. What sickens me is he hasn't resigned. Should have resigned in 2005. The fact that he is still here shows what a horrible greedy man he is.

  125. LetsGoForThird

    Dec 29, 2014, 6:26 #64081

    We'll make third place this season. United is only 3 points above us and very catch-able. Considering that eaelier in the season we had some wayward fans thinking (and saying loudly) that we were gonna finish mid-table, I'd take third place with two hands if you gave it to me now.

  126. Danny

    Dec 29, 2014, 0:48 #64080

    good away win, but the OGL was trying to lose it by his useless substitutions why not bring on walcot to stretch the game. Gibbs and Chambers are poor defenders

  127. Finsbury Joe

    Dec 29, 2014, 0:43 #64079

    Jumpers " wake me up when something changes" that will be as soon as Liverpool and Spurs get their acts together, possible this season with Spurs, or next season when Liverpool have Klopp or Simeone in charge Utd Chelsea and City are over the horizon for the next decade, at least.

  128. Cyril

    Dec 28, 2014, 22:51 #64078

    Another great result. What a flick from the ox. Wenger done well again. Keep it up. I am quick to point out when it ain't great but this was a great away win against a side who are good. I never felt we would lose when up. Come on Wenger more of the same please..

  129. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 28, 2014, 22:20 #64077

    They did look like they were up for the game Kev and some good displays which makes a nice change hardly exceptional as you say but that's where we are now, with signs of improvement, which makes you wonder was TOF with them today at all? that would certainly explain it, and yes the galloping gourmet wasn't missed (is he ever) results going our way today (favours already?) has us homing in on our favourite position and the bouncing will begin, everything's still rosy in the garden for a little longer, until TOF has another brain fart.

  130. Goonercolesyboy

    Dec 28, 2014, 22:08 #64076

    Good win, should have scored more but three points all the same. Still need that extra defender or two but attacking wise we look strong. Great to have Kos back and hope he stays fit. Up the Arsenal!

  131. jumpers for goalposts

    Dec 28, 2014, 22:02 #64075

    We're heading for 4th place yet again - the worst of all worlds! It'll be spun as a wonderful success but all it will really mean is more profit for the wig wearing American; two more years of Wenger and yet another rogering in the last 16 in 2016. Wake me up when something changes . . . . . .

  132. Finsbury Joe

    Dec 28, 2014, 21:53 #64074

    AKBs will have their cigars out now fourth place is in view. Tragic.