Hanging by a Thread

Szczesny No Longer in Pole Position



Hanging by a Thread


When Wojciech Szczesny first appeared in the first team in late 2010, most Gooners witnessed a goalkeeper that was clearly a little rough around the edges but had undoubted raw talent. He was a fine shot-stopper and looked ideal physically. He’d had a successful loan spell at Brentford and emerged very highly regarded. Despite his tender years, he was plunged into the first team and it was largely accepted that here was a talent worth persevering with - even if the odd mistake might yield the ultimate price, being the last line in defence. Surely over time he would eradicate the initial rashness from his game and secure the number-one jersey, a problem position for us in recent times, for potentially the next fifteen years? His unwavering confidence would eventually bear fruit and we could relax and build a team from where all great teams are built – from the back. I was actually excited that we just might have our first world-class goalkeeper since David Seaman.

He battled intermittently with Lukasz Fabianski for the number-one shirt and eventually saw him off, and for a time it seemed that early promise might be realised as the Pole began to look a calmer, more assured presence. His distribution and decision-making improved, and the erraticism that dogged his early games began to dissipate. The beginning of the 2013-14 season seemed to be a turning-point and he was rewarded with a long-term contract with the defence also appearing to respond to his improved form. Incredibly, signs of a cohesive defensive unit began to take shape with Mertesacker and Koscielny forming a decent partnership ahead of him. While we shipped goals in the big games away from home, it was generally accepted he was largely blameless for those horror shows and he ended the 2013-14 season sharing the golden glove (for the most clean sheets) and with his reputation enhanced, if not quite cemented.

But the mistakes have crept back in again. With or without first-choice defenders in front of him, his propensity to involve himself in the game when it is simply not required has blighted his season so far. Too often he finds himself in areas on the pitch that make fans watch through the gaps between their fingers. If he’s not attempting a drag-back against an on-rushing attacker then it’s a madcap dash like the one to confront Mane of Southampton, resulting in an avoidable goal. An impulsiveness that seems innate, a by-product of a runaway ego and a desire to be the star attraction, and unfortunately, it now appears, something that probably can’t be coached out of him. His reaction to drink from his water bottle whilst slumped in the goal following his second error seemed an almost child-like response. The flap from a rudimentary cross against Manchester United that led to Gibbs' own goal changed the course of a winnable game.

A genuine lack of competition for his shirt has only perpetuated his over-confidence, but it should not be an excuse for his continued narcissism. It’s as though he’s been sucked back in to a vortex of those error-strewn early games. At 24 years of age, and in his fourth full season as the seemingly undisputed number one, we should be witnessing a no-frills, reliable and commanding stopper akin to his contemporaries Hugo Lloris, Thibaut Courtois and David De Gea. Most, if not all, Gooners would take any of these goalkeepers ahead of Szczesny, not just on current form but going forward.

The latest stories that have emerged about his smoking in the toilets after the Southampton game have yet to be verified but it wouldn’t surprise anyone if they were true and they are symptomatic of a general contemptuousness he exhibits. There have been rumours about Petr Cech being signed from Chelsea for around £7m. At 32, some might say that’s excessive, but goalkeepers have greater longevity than outfield players and, really, what price a solid, reliable and proven Premier League goalkeeper? That said, I am highly dubious Jose Mourinho would allow the player to leave for a rival Premier League club.

In conclusion, and whatever the upshot of the post-match incident at Southampton, Szczesny has surely lost his place to David Ospina for the foreseeable future and his future at the club hangs in the balance. I was once a great believer in Szczesny’s ability, and often defended him in discussions with other Arsenal fans. For a time I genuinely believed there were few better goalkeepers in Europe, but to be the number one for a big club you have to show you are infallible for a sustained period of time. It must be conceded he hasn’t done so, and Ospina should be given a run in the team. Gooners will be hoping the Colombian shows the form that brought him great admiration during the World Cup. Despite no Premier League experience, at 26 and with 50 international caps to his name, Ospina is no novice and with a run of form it’s not inconceivable he could spell the end of Szczesny’s Arsenal career. Szczesny only has himself to blame.


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  1. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 08, 2015, 13:54 #64633

    Mark T, good post, it's questions that have been asked for years, but with really simple answers, the coach/manager doesn't know how, he hasn't got it in him, as with szczensy and his drag backs he probably encourages it and thinks it's great, it fits in well with his philosophies of having another player especially a goalkeeper who could slot into midfield or on the wing if need be.

  2. jeff wright

    Jan 08, 2015, 12:39 #64621

    In my view Jamie you could ask the same question regarding other managers being good coaches who have had some success domestically not least Sir Ferguson who everyone who worked with agreed awas not regarded in the game as being a good coach but employed those who were to help him out and was a great motivator this combination worked for him and for United under his iron rule. Wenger's always come up short in Europe against his peers and struggles against the top dogs in the Prem . 16 games now without a win in that top 4 scenario this can't be a case of it just being down to bad luck. Weneger is a moderate coach who got some good fortune when he arrived with the players that he inherited such as Bergkamp who featured in all of his early success. He a number of world class players in those sides that you mention who could make a silk purse out of his pig's ears tactics . The dumbing down since then with the lesser types that he signed exposed the flaws in his coaching credentials. 9 years of it. You couldn't make it up.

  3. James

    Jan 08, 2015, 10:37 #64593

    A lot of good points made on here, but a few people caning David Seaman strikes of desperation. Things arent going well at the minute so lets hammer a legend ??? Really? A very good article with a very prominent point which in my opinion is correct. Sadly too many people, as usual have taken a good article and gone off point. This time by hammering a legend. One question i would like to ask is to Jeff Wright - Was Wenger a good Football coach in '98? or 2002? or 2004 when he was in charge of the invincibles? Im not suggesting you cannot have or voice an opinion, but lets have some perspective here. I doubt you were saying these things in 2004!!! Personally i think Wenger's time is up and he isnt going to take us forward on the pitch any time in the future, as evidenced by his own performances tactically this year and prior. However, lets not say he is 'not a football coach' as there is some pretty strong evidence to suggest he is! All about perspective

  4. Tony Evans

    Jan 08, 2015, 8:24 #64576

    Mark T - agree with you. Even if Szczesny is dropped for the Stoke match, it is not as if he is the only weak link. My God where do you start with the weakest link - you could pick virtually anyone bar Sanchez and may be Cazorla on a good day. Of course the most obvious weakest link will be watching from his technical area whilst struggling with his zip.

  5. Mark T

    Jan 08, 2015, 7:47 #64575

    Great piece. Szczesny has made himself into a joke and been allowed to do so. His antics on and off the pitch have opened him and the club up to ridicule. BUT.....it is symptomatic of a wider malaise at our club. Why hasn't he been stopped from using twitter as an outlet for his ego? Why hasn't he been stopped from making the stupid drag-backs that are as ridiculous as they are unprofessional? Why does the manager keep playing him despite the glaring issues? Most of our first teamers feel that there is no competition. It's obvious that little or no attempt is made to correct errors - in attitude or performance - because the same issues arise. Let's start at the back. Gibbs continues to make the same mistakes years after they first started happening. Mertesacker can't pass to save his life but we still give him the ball and expect him to make brilliant cross-field passes and no one comes to help him out (remember last years semi-final against Wigan?). Wilshere thinks he's Maradona and able to swerve past the opposition eleven. When he's nailed by the first opposition player, he falls over and lies on the ground. I'm guessing no one has said "just pass it Jack and stop rolling around on the floor like a prat". And after all these years, shouldn't Walcott be running into space, rather than hiding behind opposition defenders or having a sandwich on the half way line? When Giroud joined, a big challenge was working harder and using space more intelligently. Come the present day, he works less and finds space less. Great development there..... Something is really wrong, from top to bottom. While our current number 1 goalkeeper is irresponsible and an idiot, he should not be made the scapegoat for deeper issues that scar our great club.

  6. cyril

    Jan 08, 2015, 1:28 #64574

    @arseneknewbest - indeed we had probs in the 50's and 1974 was tricky- JR (a buy from the villains)kept the ball out. Going down, no chance we are the arsenal you know!! COYG.. we are the greatest team of all time-never forget that!

  7. JAMIE

    Jan 07, 2015, 23:30 #64573

    I thought you'd be lying low this week tpm after securing one of the starring roles in this weeks Wobbie drama.

  8. HowardL

    Jan 07, 2015, 23:26 #64572

    I think SzCz could become a great keeper but whenever he has played well it seems to go to his head and we get selfie-induced disasters as at Southampton. And Chris, I suspect you are right about the link between the bizarre post-goal bottle sucking and smoking. The former was just like a baby grabbing for a dummy - never seen anything like that before in a football match.

  9. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 07, 2015, 21:59 #64570

    I cant help thinking this smoking business is a great opportunity for more sponsorship for the club, we know how Ivan, Stan, and OGL, love making money, maybe they're already onto it and making enquires. Depending on what brand wins the bidding they could have kiosks at all sides of the ground outside, and machines all over the place at all levels inside (costing extra of course) all credit card friendly and maybe even membership cards, they could give away a free pack in Club Level instead of a drink. They could replace Gunnersaures with a big wobbly fag and call him Mr Puffer with a Mr Puffer 1 on his back, he'd look great out taking shots at Szczesny in the warm up and high fiving Xbox Jack as he warmed up after another injury, at half time he could fire packs out of his mini cannon into the stands then head over to the family enclosure to sign autographs and do a bit of promotion, of course the junior gunners would be stubbed out and changed to Junior Puffers but they'd make a fortune on puffer 1 replica shirts at £60 a pop and an extra tenner to have their photo taken with him in the armoury ( a real drag for the parents but do the club care?) and he could show them how to light up in a breeze and hold a fag properly. The club and manager wouldn't/shouldn't be to worried about the ethics of having tobacco sponsorship after all they've been taking money off fans under false pretences and feeding them bullshyte lies and spin for years. And they certainly wouldn't/shouldn't be worried about a backlash from the fans after eight or nine years without a trophy and been let away with all the stuffing's, beatings, humiliations, and embarrassments over the last nine years, not to mention all the dross and second rate players we were landed with and put up with and still are, thanks to an embarrassment of a manager.

  10. Ty's shrink

    Jan 07, 2015, 21:57 #64569

    Hi Website editor. The mistake you are making with Ty, is assuming that it is water that's in that bottle. Nope. It isn't. Is it extra strong alcohol? Again no, it isn't. He speaks like a demented drunk but that ain't it. What is in that bottle, is something that rhymes with "drunk". And it was a specially prepared, organic, homemade sample that Arsene prepared for his little helper Ty. So in times of trouble and when up against it...reach for the comfort of that bottle of sp...Errrm. As for the keeper, he's a mid-table keeper at best. He's no better than the Villa or Stoke keepers. Wouldn't start at either team. Was the worst keeper at the Euros with Poland. But the moron managing Arsenal paid him like a Galactico! He's been an arrogant tw@ because his attitude has been rewarded with an unchallenged number 1 jersey. It's ridiculous. You can be cocky as u like when you're Neuer, or Courtois and won the lot. Chesney is a nobody he's a mediocrity that belongs at QPR. Joke he's with us and shows how many braindead muppets support our team when the article author claims "I argued he was as good as anyone in Europe". My God. Based on WHAT? Neuer, Courtois, Lloris, De Gea, Buffon, even Begovic. All top class keepers. Chez isn't near Joe Hart level FFS let alone those lot. Absolute joke!

  11. tpm

    Jan 07, 2015, 21:56 #64568

    @ jamie, are you mentally ill? seriously i'm concerned.

  12. Terrence Trent Diaby

    Jan 07, 2015, 21:34 #64567

    Sign your name on-a new contract I want you to be my keeper. Hard Diaby's recovery was put back a few weeks when he fell of the treatment table this morning as he fell asleep during his daily massage session

  13. Snoozy sucks Dummy after stupid error

    Jan 07, 2015, 19:59 #64566

    Snoozy is behind Courtois, Hart, De Gea and Lloris by a mile and not as good as Forster or Howard. He is on a par with Mignolet and Brad Jones, hence Arsenal/Liverpool pretty much on a par this season on performances. Forster is 26 and was available for 10M in the summer. A good keeper is worth 10 points plus all the confidance it gives to the defence and team when they dont give away goals. A Bad goalkeeper costs 10 points a season and worse undermines the confidance of the whole team especially the Back 4. That Wenger uses a Keeper that is not in the Top 10 in the Division says it all. Snoozy is cheap and can be sold at a profit at some point. Wenger likes these 2 characteristics above all others

  14. EborGooner

    Jan 07, 2015, 19:20 #64565

    The problem is the same across the whole team. There's a good player in there somewhere BUT without competition for places where's the incentive to improve? Players want to play. If they feel their mistakes will cost them their place they will either improve, or be replaced. In the current Arsenal side, there are far too many players that KNOW their name is on the team sheet, irrespective of their actual performance! Do you think that happens at Chelski? Citeh? Or even ManUre? I don't think it even happens at Southampton, West Ham, or, and it hurts to say it, the Spuds. That is why, in my opinion, those sides have a better chance of finishing fourth than we do! I HATE to say this, but it's the truth. I shall still support the side as much as I can. COYG!

  15. I Wish I Could Be Sid James Everyday

    Jan 07, 2015, 19:02 #64564

    Don't know how much truth there is in it, but there are reports that The Arsenal Corporation are looking at the Mainz keeper, 21 year old German Loris Karius. I imagine that is because his contract expires in the summer, but by all accounts he's pretty useful too. However, Valencia, Schalke and Dortmund all like the look of him too, and you would imagine that at least one of those would be prepared to pay a transfer fee for a decent keeper, so that alone could blow The Arsenal Corporation's transfer business model out of the water. Keepers tend not to encourage the sale of many replica shirts in comparison to attacking midfielders or strikers, so why would the body corporate bother outlaying any capital they can't recoup?

  16. jeff wright

    Jan 07, 2015, 18:50 #64563

    I forgot about the Silvinho aspect Ron,it was all over his dodgy passport as I recall it. Wenger says that he never looks at players passports , obviously another thing that he should do because there has been problems with other player's ones also. Silvino even had his name spelt differently on his shirt after his move abroad. Taking account of various factors, the numerous failings to sign players that we know of among them, it is clear that the claims for Wenger's well oiled scouting and signing players system was not all that it was cracked up to be. There is no evidence though that Wenger or anyone else saw Coles potential when he was first with us and it never emerged until he was at Palace.

  17. N4

    Jan 07, 2015, 18:39 #64562

    Unchives, your last comment made me choked onmy drink lol...nice one and well said and I second your second comments lol! Diaby's Agent maybe we should get Diaby in goal like this you can prove a new contract...surely it less dangerous than to actually play as midfield...(just a thought).

  18. Roy

    Jan 07, 2015, 18:35 #64561

    Good article, Ted. I personally think that Szczesny is worth persevering with for now. A goalkeeper LOOKS like a goalkeeper, you know what I mean - born to be one, someone who could never have played in any other position. Seaman Lehmann Lukic and Wilson among others certainly fell into that category and I think Szczesny does too even if at the moment he's not quite as good as he thinks he is. Whereas others such as Almunia you knew right from the start would never be the real deal and only this manager would have persisted with him as long as he did. There's no doubt that Szczesny probably had a bollocking coming, and is in danger of throwing it all away if he doesn't improve his general attitude, but it must be said that our defensive malaise isn't all his fault. No complaints from me if Ospina starts against Stoke to serve as a kick up the backside, but somehow I don't think he will. Good shouts for Jimmy Rimmer also - he made some blinding stops to keep us clear of relegation in the mid 70's.

  19. Ron

    Jan 07, 2015, 18:34 #64560

    Yr right Jeff. Cole would certainly have been sold had the issue with Silvinho not have occurred which let him back in. Wenger got Cole by defualt.

  20. jjetplane

    Jan 07, 2015, 18:02 #64559

    Good stuff there but I love those Keystone moments now and so I hope he keeps his position or the new lad picks up where he left off. No quarter for Wenger and that is where the problem lies. All he controls is the flow of dosh to Stan and himself, oh and Abou. A new goalie will do nothing for this sorry club so for drama more of the same and would the BFG get back out on the wing where he belongs.

  21. JAMIE

    Jan 07, 2015, 17:17 #64557

    You can't compare scouring the whole globe for young talent which is what Wenger does to bringing through local talent which is what everybody used to have to do.Also it's you wobs who are only interested in the big name signings with your 'spend'spend'spend banners.I think Wenger and the akb's are happy to give youth the chance yet you folk are mainly interested in the here and now and the instant success.

  22. Th14afc

    Jan 07, 2015, 17:16 #64556

    U certainly get the impression with the goalie that he's abit of a big time Charlie which never sits well with me....like last season when he took a selfie at white hart lane straight after the game and the w anker signal at the ref when he got sent off against bayern...I think he's a good goalie but fear his attitude will be his downfall at arsenal

  23. magiresbridge gooner

    Jan 07, 2015, 16:55 #64553

    Arseneknewbest, spot on about Lehmann, prone to the odd cock up himself (like big Dave)but made up for them, and he was a keeper you felt you'd rather have and be happier to have in a tight situation and could see you through if need be a lot better than the current bunch and i'd bet the defenders would sat that too, I know which one i'd rather have.

  24. jeff wright

    Jan 07, 2015, 16:49 #64552

    Cashley is a debatable youth academy success, because he started with us in 97 but showed no signs of being a great future player and made no first team appearances with us and was loaned out to Palace for awhile, where he then showed improvement and was brought back to play in our first team . Wenger of course lost him to Chelsea in the Colgate affair eventually and has never found a replacement for him. Surprise surprise it was down to money issues. You couldn't make it up Regarding Jack and Gibbs the jury is still out on whether they are future top players or just squad ones that other clubs youth systems produce, such as Southampton and Everton . Wenger 's record regarding youth players development is a poor one especially considering that the oaf actually made developing them the key stone of his policies at one time and we all know how that ended. You couldn't make it up.

  25. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    Jan 07, 2015, 16:44 #64551

    1)The Goalkeeper as team saviour is a bit passé. 2)The best goalkeeper in the league used to be Bolton's and we never went for him. Wenger is useless with keepers. 3) Szczhsny was streets ahead of Waiter and Flappy and we were so pleased to have him rather than them. 4)Our defence is disorgansed and undermanned. Also it has no protection in midfield. 5) of course we should have the best keeper we can get 6)all of our defenders are having nervous breakdowns at the moment courtesy of Wenger. Its what he does. He destroys players. 7) He's committed an motivated. My general view is lay off him. He isn't the author of our misfortune.

  26. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 07, 2015, 16:27 #64550

    JAMIE - I make that three whole academy players since 1996 - about 1 every 6 years. Whooopy-fecking doo! Hardly impressive considering we're the fifth richest team in the world and that our so-called manager made it a concerted policy for most of the last ten years to opt for youth players from within. I think most of us read Kat's message and understood the gist. Your pedantic interpretation hardly supports your point, and actually underscores OGL's appalling record in this area. If this is the kind of thing that is going to feature in your much-anticipated inter-AMG jokey dialogue then I give you fair warning now that the reviews may not be that good.

  27. Mark from aylesbury

    Jan 07, 2015, 16:15 #64549

    Didn't Jimmy Rimmer win save of the season one year? I remember I was very young and taken to watch the match by my dad. Details are sketchy but I seem to remember it was a blinding save off kevn keegan. Funny how opinions differ. I wasn't a great fan of Lukic and thought Seaman was the man till his timing with long range shooting went to pot

  28. JAMIE

    Jan 07, 2015, 16:15 #64548

    Jack Wilshere,Ashley Cole,Kieran Gibbs all academy players under Wenger.I can't believe how you can't see through somebody like Kat,certainly no Arsenal fan but then again........

  29. Ron

    Jan 07, 2015, 16:03 #64547

    Cyril and Arseneknewbest - good posts lads. Lukic and JR both very good keepers. I think Jens L is respected but im of the view he was a ratchet or two down from Seamans quality. His temeperament was often dodgy and it let him down, but on his day he pulled off quality saves indeed. Recall one at Old Trafford which allowed us to win the game in 2006 ish. Truly World class save that day plus a night at Anfield 10 years or so back when we lost eventually 1-0 to a Garcia goal. Jens alone saved a hammering that night. Good keeper, but not truly top bracket in my view.I liked him though. His madcap ways were funny at times werent they.

  30. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 07, 2015, 15:52 #64546

    Cyril - agreed and let's not forget Jimmy Rimmer who in the mid 70's arguably saved us from joining the Spuds and Manure in being relegated that decade. Moreover, I still don't think there's enough respect for Jens Lehmann who was always ready to do battle for the cause. Ches is not fit to suck the sweat off the balls of either of them in my view (to paraphrase "Good morning Vietnam"). It has to be Ospina on Sunday - por favor!

  31. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 07, 2015, 15:41 #64545

    Gary, and he expected the fans to believe him, and his followers did, AMG, good point about the £30m save i'd forgotten about that but i'm sure OGL won't.

  32. cyril

    Jan 07, 2015, 15:09 #64541

    Lukic was another grade 1 keeper and most gooners did not feel that we needed to strengthen in this area. I put him up there behind Jennings and Seaman,alongside Kelsey- that's how brilliant he was. However, the purchase of Seaman in 1990 was possibly the best buy of GG's time there and he bought the legend Wright. Seaman let in 18 league goals 90-91 season as we all know and won the league . Lukic went to Leeds and then won the league the following year. There is a pattern forming here ... getting a decent bloody keeper!

  33. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 07, 2015, 15:03 #64540

    Website Editor, you're onto something there, OGL's always swigging away on the side lines and it's certainly not because of shouting and barking instructions at the players.

  34. Ron

    Jan 07, 2015, 14:53 #64539

    Chris - ....and not a bottler in sight there mate either.Happy days!

  35. chris dee

    Jan 07, 2015, 14:49 #64538

    Ron, I know mate, I was just showing of my knowledge ,but Bertie gave them their chance. Gorgeous George had Merson,Adams,Keown,O'leary,Rocky, Michael Thomas,Paul Davis,Martin Hayes and of course the incomparable Gus Caesar.

  36. johnnyhawleyloovinggooner

    Jan 07, 2015, 14:45 #64537

    Well it is hard to swoon like an eagle when you have prize turkeys for defenders.a top defender is a Tony Adams and a top DM would inspire more confidence and we could see how good or bad he is. arsenal need a top keeper we always have had one even when we were poor elsewere.it has been hard to see some of the clowns AW has had as keeper.that said our present number should be dropped,as after all defenders have to have faith in the keeper.oh,..um..is Ozil not supposed to be fit by now?

  37. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 07, 2015, 14:40 #64536

    And he's still rough around the edges, as is most of TOF's signings do they ever progress? more like they regress thanks to his, and his past it yes men's (some would say out of date) so called coaching. We need a top class keeper alright (others have them and got them without much trouble) and here we are still saying that after all this time since Seaman, although Lehman wasn't the worst we had years of the waiter, then flappy, mannone, now flappy mk 2 with Ospina still to convince how long is he going to be given three four five years?. The fact that this position still hasn't been Addressed after all these years is unbelievable a complete and utter dereliction of duty towards this club by OGL, (a sack able offence on it's own) or more like pure ineptitude.

  38. Ron

    Jan 07, 2015, 13:58 #64534

    Chris - yes but that wasnt a GG team, it was a Mee team and he relied on all those home grown players who Billy Wright oversaw.

  39. chris dee

    Jan 07, 2015, 13:51 #64533

    Kat. The 1971 double squad Rice,Storey,Simpson,Radford,Kennedy,Kelly,George,Armstrong,Sammels all academy players.

  40. Kat

    Jan 07, 2015, 13:47 #64532

    Guys I don't know if you have noticed but Wenger hasn't been able to bring one decent academy player through. I wasn't even born then but from what I read George Graham brought through several academy players and won the league. Ferguson did the treble with the class of 92. Can you beleieve that not one academy player through 19 years? This leads me to believe Wenger truly is a fraud. Can anyone who watched Grahams sides confirm this.

  41. Ron

    Jan 07, 2015, 13:44 #64531

    AMG - Its a keepers job to dominate a defence, not the Centre half s job. Agree yr comments re the fabled BFG. He is poor as Alan Hansen made clear years before he joined Arsenal.Arsenals spine is the weakest its been since the mid 60s, when Furnell, Ure and Bobby Gould comprised it, with no midfield power player in there (known as half backs then). That's how far Wenger has taken the Club backwards.The Club were borderline cannon fodder then for the better teams as well.The only difference then was that we didn't 'bottle' games we lost, we were just inept.

  42. Bard

    Jan 07, 2015, 13:30 #64529

    Really good post. The primary requirement of a top side is a top keeper and Chez is average at best. De Gea is keeping Untd afloat at the moment and Cech has done much the same thing for Chelsea for years.

  43. Chris

    Jan 07, 2015, 13:05 #64528

    No coincidence that Chez reached for his water bottle on the pitch, then gets caught smoking in the showers immediately afterwards. He was dying for a fag after letting in the second goal but could hardly light up then. The water bottle was the next best thing. Watch again how he takes a long 'toke' of water as he sits on the ground. Almost a Condor moment...

  44. Tony Evans

    Jan 07, 2015, 13:00 #64526

    Good article Ted. I do hope you are right about him losing his place to Ospina but with Wenger calling the shots that is far from certain.

  45. AMG

    Jan 07, 2015, 12:34 #64525

    Ospina should be given a run in the team, he has earned it with his excellent performances when called upon. I still hold out hope for Sir Ches, competition seems to bring out the best in him - as we've seen previously in his battles with Almunia and Flappy. If he can be successfully played off against Ospina, we should end up with 2 superb keepers. The bigger problem in the lack of leadership in front of him. Shezzer has never and will never be a leader. With Mertesacker in front of him doing his bit to egg the faces of those who called for him to be captain last year with his gutless performances, Shezzer has been made something of a scapegoat I fear. When the BFG and Chambers play centre back, the biggest issue is the lack of pace, meaning Sir Ches gets stuck between a rock and a hard place every time the ball is played behind the centre backs. With Kos in the team, the effect is mitigated somewhat and things should settle down a little the longer he's in the team. I'm sure many will disagree with me, but don't condemn WS just yet, he may yet prove his worth - let's not forget he already earned Stan £30m with his superb save against Di Natale from the spot.

  46. jeff wright

    Jan 07, 2015, 12:17 #64524

    Wenger won his first title with us using a young rookie GK Alex Manniger due to Spunky being out injured for most of the season. Wenger being Wenger then decided that anyone can play in goal and has never paid ,unlike managers such as Mourinho, much attention to the GK position. The fact that he persevered with the clown Almunia for 5 years tells us this. He even tried to get 'the Spanish waiter' the England GK job! You couldn't make it up. One of the big problems with Wenger's management is his,contrary to legend , inability to develop young talent .He just gives loads of money to them tells them they are world class and leaves them to get on with it by chucking them straight in to the first team. Chambers is a typical example of this Wenger ineptitude. Of course with his injury prone squad Wenger often has no choice but to overplay youngsters . Sometimes it gets to be farcical such as him playing Sanago against Bayern Munich another game in which Chesnay made a mug of himself . Wenger has never really been a proper football coach he is an accountant and should really have stuck to being one.

  47. Kat

    Jan 07, 2015, 11:55 #64522

    The worst keeper in the prem. But we have to put up with this clown for another decade as thats how long Wenger will be here.

  48. Ron

    Jan 07, 2015, 11:40 #64521

    Unchives - hi mate. Yr right Seaman could have lead in his legs at times. FAC Semi at Wembley letting that shot in from that waster of a nut case Gazza (who were all supposed to 'love' for some reason?) was to blame for that. Nayim from the half way line too being another high profile gaff.Good Keeper but never in Schmeicals class.

  49. Willard

    Jan 07, 2015, 11:18 #64519

    The Freudian in me would suggest that the water bottle drinking replicates the comfort of the Mother's teat #cod-psychology

  50. Red Member

    Jan 07, 2015, 10:51 #64518

    I made my feelings quite clear on this imbecile about 3 years ago on the online gooner forum. He was an arrogant moron then and 3 years on little has changed. Get him out of the club!

  51. Jumpers for Goalposts

    Jan 07, 2015, 10:21 #64516

    As a former non-league Goal-keeper, I learned the very hard way that the best keepers are not the ones pulling off the spectacular saves and leaping about like Bruce Grobelaar on acid ------- the best keepers are the unspectacular ones that make the least mistakes. Think of David Seaman / Petr Cech / Dino Zoff. Szczesny has a very different temperament to those three and for that reason he will NEVER be a world class keeper.

  52. Charlie George Orwell

    Jan 07, 2015, 10:18 #64515

    Arseneknewbest: Maybe Johnny Bostik stayed put because he was always being asked to do the twist?!

  53. chris dee

    Jan 07, 2015, 9:17 #64513

    Szczesny is no better now than when came into the side as a younster.He would not get within a mile of getting in the Man City,United or Chelsea team but Arsene tolerates mediocrity and mistakes and finds excuses for him,just as he does for Kieron Gibbs.There is not a hope in hell of winning major trophies with Szczesny in goal and Arsene has handicapped Arsenal since The mad German Jens retired by playing Almunia,Fabianski and now average arrogant,let's take a 'selfie', Szczesny. A good keeper gives confidence to his defenders and ultimately the team,which is why,along with Arsene's non defensive organisation,we will never get near the Premiership title. If Arsene doesn't play Ospina play this weekend then things are even worse at the club than we thought.

  54. Unchives

    Jan 07, 2015, 9:13 #64512

    @ Ron, unfortunately even David Seamen had blind spots. Who can forget the times he was chipped from distance. Indeed at Highbury we used to joke, suggesting that we put a bell in the ball, so he would at least hear the ball coming over his head, even if he couldn't see it. I don't remember too many other top club goalkeepers making big clangers....still we are Arsenal, we only sign TOP...TOP Quality.

  55. Ron

    Jan 07, 2015, 8:58 #64510

    In my opinion this goalkeeper has never been very impressive. I hold no monopoly on that view, many share it and have said so for some years. Youre right when you say that AFC have not had a top class keeper since Seaman.

  56. Charlie George Orwell

    Jan 07, 2015, 8:52 #64509

    Ted: Nice one - good piece. Szczesny should be growing in maturity and learning from previous errors, but sadly it seems not to be. Would take Cech in a heartbeat, but share your feelings about Moaninho in not allowing Cech coming to us as doing so does not make strategic sense (but hey, doesn’t stop Wenger I suppose). What about the Peyton situation – also needs to be addressed?

  57. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 07, 2015, 8:52 #64508

    Unchives - your last comment made me think back to happier times, when our Serbo-Croat speaking, goalkeeping Yorkshireman was called Johnny Bostik because he was always stuck to his line - the opposite problem to Ches it would seem. Agree that Ches needs a rest - his self-confidence bears no relation to his actual ability. Ospina is now in that pleasant honeymoon period where he's had a bit of game-time and has not yet made any errors. He has a useful pedigree so he should be given a go. Nevertheless, I'd bet that OGL will exercise the usual stubbornness and play Calamity Ches against the wrestlers from the potteries this weekend. Anyhow, let's hope it is indeed the man from Colombia, and that he'll turn out to be the first adequate replacement we've had for Jens Lehmann.

  58. Website Editor

    Jan 07, 2015, 8:44 #64507

    Actually, remembering Szcz reaching for his drink after the 2nd Southampton goal, it now brings to mind Ty of ArsenalFanTV. The water bottle as a source of comfort. Ty takes an unnatural amount of sips when he feels pressured. Just a thought. The view of any reading psychologists welcomed!

  59. Unchives

    Jan 07, 2015, 8:27 #64506

    This is when you need hard and disciplined management, a trait that this manager has never had, or never will. We get settlement over some areas of the pitch, only for it to breakdown in another area. We are lucky to have three very good goalkeepers now, however it took this manager three injured goalkeepers, if you could have called them that, before he "Discovered" Szczesny. He may as well put David Blaine in goal....at least he will stay in his box.