Once again, the Sanchez Show

Online Ed: Arsenal gain revenge on Stoke



Once again, the Sanchez Show


More often than not this season, we have seen a very different Arsenal at home than on the road, with yesterday’s win against Stoke being a prime example. The players, far more comfortable in their surroundings and less intimidated by the atmosphere, competed and established their superiority over a Stoke side who, in footballing terms, they should beat habitually, regardless of the venue.

Obviously psychological and physical factors come into play, resulting in some difficult days at the Britannia stadium, but it should be noted that yesterday, Mark Hughes’ team were probably no less aggressive than they had been at the beginning of December. Referee Jon Moss seemed equally lenient. Only on this occasion, the Gunners were not intimidated and played the game they wanted to.

The result was a highly satisfying and credible display, in which all of the players deserve praise. On one level, it is slightly frustrating, as it shows what this group are capable of. The key to delivering on that promise is obviously consistency in their focus, determination and approach. How that can be found is the 64 million dollar question.

One man that this does not generally apply to is Alexis Sanchez. Whether it was Amy Lawrence or her sub-editor at the Guardian who came up with the term the bionic mosquito to describe the Chilean, they have captured the essence of the player wonderfully. This is the kind of character that can, in the right set-up, lead a team to a title. It is too early to compare him with Thierry Henry in terms of his contribution to Arsenal’s cause, but it is one, I hope, we can make with justification in the not-too-distant future. Praise is due to Arsene Wenger for bringing him to the club. The failure to make the most of his talents by not resolving other key areas of the team is well-worn territory. However, it would be an incredible waste were Alexis not to win titles in his time at the club, because he is evidently a player that can make the difference. It looks like he can go on forever, and with two goals and an assist yesterday, his importance to the team is obvious.

Elsewhere, it was notable that David Ospina started between the sticks, and looked solid. The crowd quickly embraced the ‘Ooooooooo…spina!’ chant for his goal kicks which will provide a bit of atmosphere even in the upper tiers as long as he is playing. Mathieu Flamini was fit again, but significantly, Francis Coquelin retained his place, and deservedly so. There are obvious doubts he is the top grade defensive midfielder the team require, but he definitely has his chance now. Next weekend at Manchester City is a huge opportunity for him to stake a claim to remain in the starting eleven. Realistically, pessimism he can do this is justified, but he has had two very decent matches in a row, so who knows. Gametime has certainly improved his displays and he was far more influential than he was in the horrorshow at St Mary’s, although that was only his second game back. Flamini might be drafted in alongside him to give the team a more defensive-minded set up, the alternative presumably being Aaron Ramsey, who would probably have had a run-out yesterday were it not for the injury to Debuchy.

On that note, there is little that needs to be said about Arnautovic’s shove that led to the defender’s dislocated shoulder. It was gratuitous and an example of Stoke’s general modus operandi. They do play a bit more football under Mark Hughes, and the signing of Bojan is testament to that. However, they also use roughhouse tactics in the style of their manager’s own playing days. Although the game has moved on, some Premier League referees remain stuck in the past and indulge such an approach. And as long as they do, injuries like this will happen. The Stoke player did not intend to put his opponent out of action for six weeks, but he did intend to let Debuchy know that physically, he could expect to be intimidated as long as the official did not raise a yellow card. Peter Crouch’s tendency to elbow opponents in the face is another sorry example. The Stoke fans love it, and if football is a battle, and sometimes it is, even the best teams have a cynical edge. Arsenal’s solution in the current Premier League is that they have to take an ‘If you can’t beat them, join them’ approach. Remember Adams, Bould, Keown, Vieira, Bergkamp, Gilberto, Lauren – all title winners. There are others too. All capable of the dark arts where required. Does the current roster have such characters? One or two, but no-one that comes near in terms of playing quality. Too many nice guys. Look at the top two. Teams stuffed with players who will do what it takes to win a football match, good, bad and ugly. Arsenal today are known for their soft underbelly. That needs to change. Even the beautiful Barcelona of Pep Guardiola had Puyol, Busquets and Dani Alves. Cynics to a man.

Still, the good guys won in north London yesterday, and fifth place gives them an excellent chance of achieving the principle objective for this (and these days every) season. Theo Walcott had a miss that reminded us of his chances spurned the previous weekend against Hull. We can live with it when it doesn’t matter, but the fear is that when it really does, he will miss the target or hit it straight at the keeper. Time will tell.

Mesut Ozil’s return to action was also welcome. If he, Alexis and Walcott can remain fit and start matches together, it will be very interesting to see how they combine. The manager could have some delightful selection headaches in the near future, at least regarding his attacking options.

Next weekend is really an opportunity for the team to put a marker down and demonstrate that they are able to focus on a result and play a disciplined, controlled, mature game of football. In that sense, it can be treated as a warm-up for their Champions League tie with Monaco. Last season’s trip to the Etihad was a nine-goal affair. If we see a repeat of that, then nothing will have been learned in the time since. A draw would be an excellent result and Arsenal should begin the match with this mindset. Their recent away fixture Premier League record has been L-W-L-D-W-L. Optimism is understandably in short supply, but football is nothing if not unpredictable.

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  1. Gunner6288

    Jan 16, 2015, 15:07 #65103

    I'd rather play fair and lose than cheat to win - I think our team needs more steel, but that can happen without having cheaters. Its why I wouldn't want Suarez in our team, regardless of his talent.

  2. Barnaby

    Jan 15, 2015, 11:19 #65011

    Alot of my mates that r spurs fans love Wenger and want him to stay. Cuz They know we wont win the league or champions league with inspector clueless anymore lololol

  3. JV

    Jan 15, 2015, 4:40 #64994

    The AKBs are delusional so much.

  4. Ron

    Jan 14, 2015, 11:24 #64966

    Red - i think it was correct once upon a time to say that AW didnt spend all he could. After Ozil and Sanchez, im not sure that's right any longer. I take yr point though, its always been as much about tactics and coaching (lack of) as much if not more than money spent hasnt it. AW has created a blue print though that SK loves in his own interests. While that stays the same a new Coach will be hamstrung. Its a great Club still, but the successor to AW will have a very hard job under SK. Its my view that the Club is keeping along the same Wenger hewn path by appointing Mr Henry when the time comes. Rank bad choice in my view.

  5. Red

    Jan 14, 2015, 9:00 #64964

    Ron - With the amount Wenger spends any good coach could build a title winning team. You have take into account Wenger doesn't always spend what he has. While Kroenke is an ambition less he is not exactly Mike Ashley. Its not that bad and Arsenal can still compete with a good manager.

  6. Ron

    Jan 14, 2015, 8:21 #64963

    Saigon Gooner - to be honest mate, the only catalyst for genuine and substantive change at Arsenal will be when its ownership changes. The focus is always on Wenger but its Kroenke that keeps him there ultimately. He will only alter things once there is the start of a steep decline, starting with the drop out from the top 4. Even then it will be a change of body, the Clubs policies wont alter too much. Its hard to see any new incumbent who follows Wenger persuading SK that the existing transfer policies need altering. The Club would look for a coach in Wengers own image ready work under Wenger who would simply move upstairs as an executive director/director of football. Gazardis would likely be sacrificed.

  7. Bard

    Jan 14, 2015, 7:27 #64962

    DW, MG I heard this morning that our bid for Bielik has been turned down. The kids cost 2m,3m max what the hell are they arguing about. If the boss in his infinite wisdom thinks we need another kid then get the deal done and move on. Has he not looked at the table. There is only 4th place left to be fought over by Man U, Spuds, Liverpool and us and along with Liverpool we look the weakest by a country mile especially as we have now lost Debuchy. JW dont waste your time with Lewis, his last post on the Cesc Ozil debate is pure garbage.

  8. Saigon Gooner

    Jan 14, 2015, 5:43 #64960

    Surely the one thing we can all agree on is that Wenger will finally have to go? He's not immortal and in any business once a CEO type figure reaches his mid sixties, he loses edge and you are forced to consider transition. The problem at Arsenal is that there seems to be no plan to cater for this - and the AKBs always trot out the same line: who could do better? Well we could have said the same in 1996 when Bruce Rioch had signed Bergkamp and we had qualified for Europe on the last day of the season by beaqting Bolton.again. Wenger was an unknown and a complete gamble at the time. The better line to take is that 4th place is jusy not good enough for a club of Arsenal's stature; that we may need extra cash, ie new shareholders, in the business to take it to the next level - but certainly that we begin the process of transition to a new younger management team no later than Summer 2015, regardless of where we finish.

  9. Albert

    Jan 14, 2015, 1:50 #64959

    E = mc² OR m = E/c² Both are correct.

  10. DW Thomas

    Jan 14, 2015, 0:36 #64958

    Wenger's biggest failing has been over the years and incomplete squad that doesn't win. That's why everyone leaves, and more money. Sanchez only came because Barca didn't want him and he knew he'd start at this club as long as he is here. Had we resigned Fabregas we would definitely have had a feel good factor. He has performed better than all others in his position in England this season. But, no, we have Ramsey, Jack, Ozil, Cazorla, et al. Which of those is better than Cesc? None. It is these bonehead type of decisions and so many others that we are absolutely exhausted of. A man that makes $8 million a year yet has won only one trophy? Complete control of a top club with no one to answer to but himself? You can criticize all the bigger clubs like City and Chelsea for spending so much money, but at least it's to win things! We spend money merely to make money, and for who? Men who are already multi million or billionaires. How on earth can anyone argue against the critical mass of fans who can't stand the BS! Since when did the priority of winning take a back seat to profits? Cue Arsene Wenger! If this club truly wanted to win things would be different, many things. But, as long as one man holds all the power, and refuses to change, we will not win any major trophy ever again. Talk,of buying a 17 year old Polish BOY? You can't make that s..t up! We a crying out for a DM and CB at the very least, but OGL still buys youth? Insanity. Ludicrous. Bafflement. And on it goes...

  11. jeff wright

    Jan 13, 2015, 22:29 #64956

    Idiot equals = I x F x J x A x E x C + P = IQ below 90 = 1. That's you chicken brain. Actually some scientists in Swissland claimed to have disproven Albert's theory a few years back after carrying out a test .True or false >?Everything is relative dumb-dumb. You couldn't make it up.

  12. Lee afc

    Jan 13, 2015, 22:05 #64955

    Hey "always" ..... E equals M C Squared.........idiot.

  13. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 13, 2015, 20:21 #64954

    Bard, good post, yes apparently he's going to be top top quality in ten years time and he'll really take us places, but it's going to be long drawn out as the fee is so big maybe even up until big ben strikes, or not at all if one of these other clubs who are higher spenders and who we can't compete with come in for him and bid an extra 100 quid.

  14. Bard

    Jan 13, 2015, 19:24 #64952

    Ahoy shipmates exciting news from the internet. With the transfer window half over and the club desperate for defenders, you would be foolish to think it was all so obvious as in well sign one then. Yes the mad professor has other ideas. I read that Dick Law is deep in negotiations to sign 17 yo Krystian Bielik. Of course its protracted, arent all Arsenal transfers,as the fee is a hefty couple of million but over the next two weeks we should be able to get a few thousand off the asking price. He is exactly the kind of powerhouse defender we need right now, although oddly enough he plays in midfield. Someone who can really mix it with Toure and his ilk. I havent heard anything about his injury record but a season or two with us will sort him out.

  15. jeff wright

    Jan 13, 2015, 18:22 #64950

    Hi Chris, no I have not seen the Swissers article but tbh I am more concerned about Arsene's inability to win any games against top sides ,even when he has home advantage ,form and injury situations in his favour. His away results against a range of opponents are also nothing to get the footsie in a panic over or to increase the value of Stan's shares either. In fact the old syrup wearing porn moustachio cowboy must be getting a little nervous on the ranch with City ,Liverpool,Chelsea and United still to play in the second half of the season. Arsene only managed to win 2 points off them out of a possible 12 in the 4 games played so far and two of them were at home! Not top 4 form this and Arsene putting a run of wins together in the Prem doesn't look a gimme either from what I can see of the fixtures and the CL ,FAC ties to be played possibly impacting on events as well .

  16. jeff wright

    Jan 13, 2015, 18:05 #64948

    Spot on TJ, the non-financial managerial side of Wenger's tenure is airbrushed out by his supporters who prefer to concentrate instead on the financial aspects of things. That is if not pointing out typographical errors and other mundane matters .

  17. TJ

    Jan 13, 2015, 17:52 #64947

    Chris, Chelsea's wage bill is indeed £190m but there are a number of factors you may have overlooked 1) they're almost certainly paying Mourinho much more than they were Di Matteo/Benitez 2) They have 30 players on loan and may cover the wages of some of them. 3) They reached the Champions League semi-final: that is almost certainly bound to trigger performance-related bonuses. The point remains though, Arsenal are at £180m allegedly, but even supposing it was £170m; take out Chelsea's two best players (Costa and Hazard at combined £400k each weak) and who from the Arsenal squad makes it into that team? Definitely Sanchez although he was bought rather than developed by Wenger, but who else? Giroud or Welbeck over Drogba/Remy? We're still light years behind Chelsea. Also, what about the other stuff Jeff and others have mentioned? Why the persistence with Almunia? Why the refusal to consider the opposition? Why the refusal to buy players to address weak areas of the squad? Although I agree that it's useful to look at how much the club spends, management is about much more than that (ask Jurgen Klopp before all his team got ransacked by Bayern).

  18. Unchives

    Jan 13, 2015, 17:34 #64945

    @ Chris, you are correct with regard to wealth stakes, we usually sit in fourth which ties in with our financial comp arables with the other three clubs, however you missed the biggest fact of all, we have the most expensive tickets in WORLD FOOTBALL, & our manager is one of the highest paid after his latest contract....but the club haven't moved onto the next level for this money.

  19. Bard

    Jan 13, 2015, 17:29 #64944

    Lewis; I agree mate injuries have robbed us of trophies over the last 8 years, that and bad refereeing decisions. read any of Westie's old posts. He has a whole reference library of unlucky incidents. My view is that there is a conspiracy against Wenger orchestrated by the Spud loving press. Remember the 8-2 thrashing by Untd? Well all 8 goals were offside and the showers after the game were cold. RVP missed a pen because he was blinded by the full moon. Come on Lewis get a grip, unlucky Wenger is not.

  20. Brian

    Jan 13, 2015, 17:22 #64942

    E=MC2

  21. Chris

    Jan 13, 2015, 17:10 #64941

    Jeff - Still gushing with the usual guff I see. Have you looked at the latest Swiss Ramble article? You can see that Arsenal are pretty much exactly where predicted to be, based on wages outlay, both in the PL (where 4th would be par) and in Europe (where 7th would be par). Which pretty much demonstrates the continuing financial constraints to the team's performance, albeit it also demonstrates that at the moment Wenger is more or less on par rather than above it (as he has been for most of the last decade). Also interesting to note that Chelsea's wage bill has jumped up significantly, diverging fro Arsenals, despite many of here pointing out that it was supposedly lower than Arsenal's now based on a laughable article in the Torygraph that I - correctly as it has now been proved - dismissed as a load of tosh. What is sad is how so many are so quick to look for 'evidence' to bash Wenger with, when the reality of a balanced appraisal shows that there isn't very much to bash.... The fact that that is a bit boring is probably his biggest sin.

  22. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 13, 2015, 17:10 #64940

    Gaz, jw, you have to feel sorry for him, probably young and impressionable, and the impression those electricity clips left on his testicles wouldn't have helped, those old AKB's over at central command have a lot to answer for.

  23. jeff wright

    Jan 13, 2015, 16:38 #64938

    You have to laugh Gaz ,what is amazing though is that Lewis is still putting up these silly duff long ago discredited excuses as though he is Einstein introducing m = E/c2 to an astonished world.

  24. Gaz

    Jan 13, 2015, 16:09 #64937

    So now Wengers a genius because he managed to beat City in a meaningless friendly and Barca and Bayern in games that never particually mattered because we went out over two legs anyway!!! Good grief...

  25. Jeff wright

    Jan 13, 2015, 15:41 #64936

    Trotting out meaningless pyrrhic victories by Arsene is not doing your case that he can't beat the top sides due to not having any money any good you numbskull. It just proves that he can't beat them in the games that count and the Community Shield is a nothing trophy that even Moyes managed to win with United. Wenger's record against City in the league is what counts not pre-season warm up matches. And that record is a poor one.Again though your claims about destroying City in the shield contradicts your claims that Wenger can't beat them because of money issues! You are too dopey to see this though. You couldn't make it up.

  26. Lewis

    Jan 13, 2015, 14:27 #64932

    jeff wright Arsene destroyed City 3-0 at Wembley. He also had the tactical nous to bet Bayern, Barcelona, Dortmund. So your arguement is bollocks. City without Toure, Aguero are nothing as proven by recemt results ans with players like Kos, Theo, Rambo and Ozil returning we will win. Stop overrating City and being so negative. And Wenger bought a CB Chambers and brought back Coquelin as holding midfielder who has impressed and promoted Bellerin. Our defenders are Debuchy, Bellerin, Kos, Per, Chambers, Gibbs, Monreal. So he did his job. The reason we are not good as last year is because unlucky injuries. Also Welbeck is has been an good signing. Stop hating Arsene.

  27. jeff wright

    Jan 13, 2015, 14:00 #64931

    Should be Welbeck of course panic buy by Stan and not Wally. Wally in fact is a typical Wenger poached from another club's academy by offering him lots of money buy.

  28. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 13, 2015, 13:57 #64930

    Lads it's in one ear and out the other quicker than you can fart, they must have a new brainwashing technique over at central command, or this one has truly found his God.

  29. jeff wright

    Jan 13, 2015, 13:49 #64929

    Lewis ,stop dribbling and talk some sense .Wenger is not up to the job of making proper use of the financial advantes that he has and acts more like an accountant than a football manager. There was some 150m cash hoarded away in the club accounts at the last report on them and Wenger has time and again failed to sign players due to his well known penny pinching ways it was obvious that the signings of Ozil and Walcott came about due to supporter pressure on Kroenke .These sort of late panic buys never work and had Wenger done his well paid 8m a year job properly then they would not have been required. His failure to sign another CB during the summer and a decent holding midfield player are the reasos why we are 12 poiints worse off than at this stage last season and not even in the top 4 and not because Southampton have more cash than us they are just managed better. No one is saying that Wenger should have won the league but that the constant pastings off top sidescould be avoided and the the number of points that he lags behind the top two should be less .Wenger should be doing better than only winning one game out of the last 15 played against United and also better than 8 losses and 8 draws no wins against the current Prem Champions League sdes over the past few seasons .These stats prove that Wenger lacks the tactical nous to beat top 4 Prem sides and despite your gung-ho optmisum ,based on reading Man City forums( you probably troll on them) Wenger has it all to do to beat City on Sunday .Odds are City W.8/11/ Draw 11/4 . Arsenal.Win. 3-1. My advice to you is either put up or shut up.Talk is cheap and you as I said before will disappear faster than leeAFC did if we get beat after the result at Southampton. We might win you never know all records are there to be shot at,but what some City supporters think on a forum about it will not make any difference ,other than to fools like you of course. You couldn't make it up.

  30. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 13, 2015, 13:29 #64928

    "hiring another manager will only bring a new phiolsophy which you will be complaining in a few years how its stale, same mistakes" A few years off before it starts again? I'd take that, Lewis! The 'socialist wage structure' is Wenger's idea. He has a total budget to divide up with as he wishes. He has chosen to chosen to spend the greater proportion of that budget on above market wages for young and average players whilst refusing to pay market rate transfer fees and wages for top players. He runs the club, Sir Chips told you that just recently. You are typical of those who quite simply want Wenger to stay because he provides you with a comforting, reassuring sense of constancy. How AFC actually do is secondary so that. So you create an argument that 'no one else can do any better' and abdicate him of responsibility for failure in order to reinforce that wish.

  31. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 13, 2015, 13:21 #64927

    Bard, yes starry eyed and bushy tailed,it's surprising what a couple of routine wins does, well not really, all is forgotten ( by some) life's wonderful again and we're back, and we've all the usual suspects (well not all)telling us how good we are and no doubt dreaming of another run and silverware, until the next reality check anyway.

  32. Lewis

    Jan 13, 2015, 12:52 #64926

    Jeff Wright your entire claim is Ferguson didn't have money to compete with City and Chelsea which is shown to be complete bollocks with United spending 250m in just the last three transfer windows since he left. Ferguson always had the money to fix any mistake he did. While Arsene never had such money as Ferguson. As for Spuds they have cheap wagebill because they are cheap and don't pay the players what are worth. Arsebe did. But they have spent 70m more than us since Arsene came so they should have a squad as good as us. And finally the boards socialist wage structure never allowed him to retain top players so its not his fault. These are all facts mate. Pathetic attempt of you to make Ferguson a miracle man just to bash Wenger. 250m United have spent since Ferguson left this proves he had just as much as City and Chelsea and not a miracle man you make him to be. Also proves Spuds are not a midtable club who cant compete with us like you make out to be. You made this up to just bash Arsene you're pathetic irrational hater.

  33. jeff wright

    Jan 13, 2015, 12:28 #64924

    Your figures Lewis just prove that it is you who is talking bollocks .Wenger is a has been and a busted flush ,you are just trying by posting this money related nonsense to try and claim that he is working miracles. My figures showed that based on your criteria that Wenger should have done better than finishing one point ahead of AVB in 2013 .Also according to your 'logic' City should win the league in England every season and Real Madrid in La Liga .However in the real world they don't Athletico beat Madrid and Barca last season for the la liga title with far less money .United under Ferguson beat City twice in recent seasons with just a 20m higher wage bill than our one and also Wenger selling players to Chelsea,City and United just shows what an idiot he is because if he had a proper wage structure instead of the insane rewarding kids with fortunes before they have done anything and quibbling over the amount he pays to top ones who then leave the building for more elsewhere and the better prospects of winning titles ,then the fool would be able to keep them and to compete properly for top trophies. You do post some childish ill thought out crap.

  34. Lewis

    Jan 13, 2015, 12:21 #64922

    Exeter every manager is like that. Mourinho still parks the bus as always even though it failed last year, Pellegrini still plays 4-4-2 even though they critisced him for it. Rodgers and Everton still plays tiki taka even though its not suited for their teams. The point is most managers have a philosophy and stick to it. So hiring another manager will only bring a new phiolsophy which you will be complaining in a few years how its stale, same mistakes. The thing Mourinho, Pellegrini get away with due to the high quality of the squad. You want change for change sake not because it will make us better. As for Liverpool they have spent 250m more than Arsene since he came and the fact he won 3 league titles when they couldn't shows what a good manager he is. Liverpool with how they spend should always be competing. I want Arsene to stay because he is a good manager yes he has his flaws but so does most managers. Its not your main complaint but most against Arsene critiscm is he does not win the league and a new manager can when history shows they can't.

  35. Lewis

    Jan 13, 2015, 11:59 #64920

    Jeff Wright As I explained before here is the list of highest spenders since Arsene came. Chelsea £1,033,949,000, City £857,880,000, Liverpool £767,305,000, United £759, 305,000, Totenham £600,200,000 now poor Arsene £517,965,000. So your talking bollocks.As you can see United spent just as much as City Liverpool and Chelsea. And Tottenham have spent much more than us. As for Alumunia its like managers don't make mistakes at all and Arsene can't be excused for making one. Thanks for proving another point Jeff not only do these teams spend more than us but they poach our players making them stronger and us weaker. Fabregas, RVP, Nasri, Clichy, Song were all poached. Arsene could never win.

  36. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 13, 2015, 11:55 #64919

    Lewis, you conveniently leave wages out of your spending arguments. AFC's wages were higher than Liverpool's last season and are currently higher than Chelsea's. Your argument seems to amount to 'Arsene won't win the league, but no other manager will either, so let's stick with Arsene'. It's not even the main criticism as far as I'm concerned. It's the endless repetition of mistakes, the refusal to even acknowledge mistakes, the same old issues season after season. It's stale, it's boring. So why carry on with it, unless Wenger being manager is your first priority?

  37. Lewis

    Jan 13, 2015, 11:37 #64918

    Exeter As I explained before Dortmund had only one rival only competed and won when Bayern where in transition. Athletico the same with both Barca and Madrid were in transition. The Prem League we compete with 5 or 6 teams and a midtable teams are tough as well. This is the most competetive league in the world. Its why only clubs who spent most money like City Chelsea and United won the league in the last decade. Liverpool are you joking they spend just as much as Chelsea City and United you would expect them to be competing all the time. Wengers philosophy worked perfectly before when he could compete. As for a different manager making a difference we have seen other clubs like Liverpool and Spuds trying and failing. In the end Wenger being better than them. Maybe someone could do better than some of Wengers flaws allow him to but they wouldn't win the league which the main critiscm of all of you against Wenger.

  38. Gaz

    Jan 13, 2015, 11:34 #64916

    Spot on Jeff...

  39. jeff wright

    Jan 13, 2015, 11:22 #64915

    United's wage bill was just 20m higher than our one when Sir Ferguson last won the league in 2013 thank's mainly to his stroke of genius in signing RVP off hapless Arsene. RVP just loved that guard of honour that Arsene laid on for him when he strutted out at the Emirates having won a League title medal. United beat City and Chelsea who had much higher wage bills that season very easily .We had a 60m higher wage bill than the spuds but only finished one point ahead of them in a last day desperation win at Sunderland to snatch 4th place. This was a cue for manic celebs and selfies on Twatter that had the world in stitches laughing at the nonsense . So , Sir Ferguson showed that season that astute signings and managerial nous ,employing top coaches to help with training and tactics, can make a difference , it's not all about money as AKB loony Jamie claims. Then again any excuse will do FOR HIM to try and defend Wenger with . Here were the points totals for that season. United 89p. City 78.Chelsea.75.Arsenal.73. Spuds. 72. So the differentials involved here are United finish 13 points clear of us in 4th , with a 20m higher wage bill and ahead of City and Chelsea, who had much higher wage bills than them , while we finish one point ahead of spuds in 4th place with us having a 6Om higher bill than them and their wage bill astronomically lower than the top three's ones.Something is not adding up here Lewis. You couldn't make it up. How does Wenger having less money than some ,but still a lot more than most,force him to keep Almunia for 5 years that clown cost us points every season ,this is just one of many points that rubbishes these no money or less than some claims to try and excuse Wenger's managerial ineptitude.

  40. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 13, 2015, 11:21 #64914

    Lewis, I saw Liverpool competing with them last season. I've seen Atletico and Dortmond compete in their leagues. No one expects miracles but as I've already outlined, Wenger's 'philosophy' mitigates against competing at the top no matter the resources. It would be very difficult for any AFC manager but with Wenger there is no chance. How much more evidence do you need? At least with a different manager there would be some hope, and we'd see something different.

  41. Lewis

    Jan 13, 2015, 11:10 #64913

    And all of you who want us to go kick and try to hurt the opposition instead of playing football realise how disgusting it is after what that thug Arnautovic did to poor Debuchy. Let me remind you another thug Milner previously kicked Debuchy and injured him. Also lets not forget that United thug NcNair destroying Wilshere's ankle. Or Ryan Shawcross breaking Ramsey's leg. Do you want us injure opposition players the way Chelsea, Stoke, City, United do? Those thugs Shawcross Arnautovic Milner and McNair should be banned from football. Some clown posters here want us to buy these thugs Shawcross and Milner and send them out to injure opposition players.

  42. Lewis

    Jan 13, 2015, 10:44 #64911

    Exeter Arsene has the 5th highest transfer budget in the league and always finishes 4th. He is doing as well as can be expected. If you want him to compete for the title he needs to have unlimited money like City, Chelsea and United. You don't see any other club competing with them so why are expecting miracles from Arsene?

  43. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 13, 2015, 10:34 #64910

    Lewis, if it's just about money, perhaps you could explain why despite the amount at Wenger's disposal increasing, Arsenal are going backwards?

  44. Lewis

    Jan 13, 2015, 10:20 #64909

    Radford and Exeter Spuds, Liverpool, Southampton, Everton and United all have coaches who do as you say want proper coaching yet they are nowhere winning the league nor are they better than Arsenal.

  45. Gaz

    Jan 13, 2015, 10:14 #64908

    So us having less money than Utd, City and chelsea means we simply can't compete with them to the point we can't even beat them in a one off game once in a while. Yet us having LOTS more money than the rest doesn't stop us taking beatings from them on a more than regular basis!!! You really couldn't make this s*it up...

  46. John f

    Jan 13, 2015, 10:11 #64907

    It was interesting to read in the papers about Wenger putting his company LA promotions into voluntary liquidation a move that will net him £3.4 million pounds and tax breaks.It surprised me to think he had time to run a company and manage Arsenal at the same time. You would think 8 million a year was enough.

  47. Lewis

    Jan 13, 2015, 10:08 #64906

    Bard Sucess for Southampton did they win the league or something? Now look at the last decade of Prem League winners City, Chelsea and United. Why hasn't any other club done what you said? Many pas teams of other clubs had mental toughnes and tactical nous so why couldnt they do it as you? Its not possible. in the Prem as it is in Spain or Germany.

  48. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 13, 2015, 10:02 #64905

    Amazed to discover there are people who still think Wenger is the best manager in the league and it's only money that stops him. Does money explain Wenger's lack of in game management? Does it explain 'work it out for yourself'? Does it explain the preplanned subs? Does it explain 'we don't study the opposition'? Does it explain how recent AFC teams just roll over whenever they play someone decent? Does it explain such an unbalanced squad? Does it explain the lack of leadership, heart and fight? These are all a result of Wenger's 'philosophy', not a lack of money. You have no chance of competing at the top in today's game with such a 'philosophy', even with all the money in the world. Cannot believe there are still people so blind and unaware they cannot see this.

  49. radfordkennedy

    Jan 13, 2015, 10:00 #64904

    Lewis...You have to remember mate that our owner uses our club as collateral to borrow money for other business ventures so we have to show on the books we have enough cash to cover any deal,every now and then the accountants will tell him 'get rid of some cash before the taxman cometh'hence Ozil and Sanchez but in general he will never sanction big money signings,this is the man who has overseen some of biggest hidings we've had and never stepped in and told Aw go and get a Centre Back we've a fortune on hand.....and in all honesty mate its never really been about money it's all about proper coaching

  50. Lewis

    Jan 13, 2015, 9:54 #64903

    Bard One window makes a difference doesn't it. Here is the list of highest spenders since Arsene came. Chelsea £1,033,949,000, City £857,880,000, Liverpool £767,305,000, United £767,305,000, now poor Arsene £517,965,000. As you can Arsene is handicapped. Jeff Wright don't be daft mate go read City forums they are all scared of facing us and discussing ways of how they should kick us off the pitch. Think they know more about their team than you do. Here is what Kompany and Pellegrini said last time we met.

  51. Bard

    Jan 13, 2015, 9:50 #64902

    Lewis; Yes you are right to a certain extent but this argument has ben done to death. How do you explain the success relatively of Athletico, Dortmund, and Soton. What you have to do with less money is create a side that is more than the sum of its parts, Wenger can't do that, for a start he hasn't the tactical nous nor is he able to install the necessary mental toughness.

  52. jeff wright

    Jan 13, 2015, 9:27 #64901

    Lewis you will disappear faster than leeKFC does after a defeat if we get beat so don't be a prat all of your life ,have a day off. You have to laugh at these AKB's optimism how quickly they have forgotten Stoke away Liverpool and Southampton. We have only won one game away in our last four,WHU 2-1 and that was a fortunate result. As it happens I believe that Chelsea and City are more likely to lose to the lower sides than they are to us.In fact their results say so .There are reasons for this anomaly Lewis,but the question is can you work them out > ??????????????

  53. Bard

    Jan 13, 2015, 9:12 #64900

    Lewis, where were you during the last transfer window. Arsenal spent more than any other team bar Utd to what effect mate, scrabbling around 5th place. Its a tired old cliche spouted by the club to justify the chronic underachievement of the last decade. Gooneron, the argument about Ramseys worth is largely redundant. Im afraid him and Jack are the new generation Diabys. They are both chronically injury prone and worth very little in terms of bang for bucks. No manager worth his salt would dream of spending a fortune on a player with their injury record. A more intriguing question is how Wenger manages to destroy these potentially great players. Diabys was bad luck although he had a dodgy fitness record before we bought him, but Jack and Rambo are injury liabilities and they are not even in their mid 20s. To my mind it is a greater blot on Wengers career than not winning anything.

  54. Lewis

    Jan 13, 2015, 9:01 #64899

    Ron Look the last decade winners of the league have been United, City and Chelsea. Why hasn't any other club won it if as you say money isn't all that and a good management can do it as you say. Liverpool had a manager who wouldn't get trashed and got more out of his squad like you said in Benitez yet he couldn't do it. Even the Spuds at their best with Redknapp couldn't do it. Roy Keane in his book said that don't give managers that much credit its all about the players. These clubs with their money have better squad simple as that. Wenger would win the league with their squads.

  55. Avenell Road

    Jan 13, 2015, 9:00 #64898

    JAMIE - There is nothing glory-hunting about wanting to see Arsenal challenge at the top of the game. I'm not demanding trophies but the great thing about Arsenal is that they usually find a way of winning things and that's what makes it a great club. How can you simply sit back and accept mediocrity? I just don't understand it.

  56. GoonerRon

    Jan 13, 2015, 8:59 #64897

    @ Red - so Wenger has taken a squad of midtable players to the heady heights of 5th place - sounds like serious overachievement to me so well done for pointing that out. @ Ron - bearing in mind Nasri went to Citeh for £25m with one year left on his contract after one good season (without the the 'premium' that comes with British players) then it's nonsense to suggest that £35m is fanciful for Ramsey.

  57. Seven Kings Gooner

    Jan 13, 2015, 8:20 #64896

    Lewis : Give Wenger unlimited cash and he will finish 4th! Lesson over for today.

  58. Ron

    Jan 13, 2015, 8:16 #64895

    A tired old theme Lewis. If you think a cheque book alone is whats keeping Chelsea and MC at the summit, you are naive. Unlimited funds put Wengers way wouldnt get spent i venture. Buying top players brings pressures to succeed. Our esteemed Coach likes his morning paper, slippers and pyjamas too much to invite pressure. Id also venture that even with this squad of Wengers that the coaches you belittle would get more from them. Certainly the thrashings would stop, even if the league position wasnt raised by much. Football history at quite a few big Clubs show open cheque books handed to coaches down the decades and yet little was won. Man U with relative riches years back once went 26 years with no title, yet unlimited cash. Look at Madrid too in the galactico years. Munich have had barren years yet always have had the cash reserve handed to its Coach. Inter Milan have always had massive cash reserves for its Coaches but the titles and CL havent flowed to match it. At a lesser level, Liverpool too. For years the cash was there, the managerial expertise wasnt. Open your eyes man and stop falling for the Clubs and Wengers spiel. Less cash = a partial explanation at best.

  59. 3-0 to The Arsenal

    Jan 13, 2015, 8:16 #64894

    3-0 to The Arsenal, 3-0 to The Arsenal, 3-0 to The Arsenal, 3-0 to The Aaarrrsenal

  60. Lewis

    Jan 13, 2015, 8:01 #64893

    Bard second tier Wenger is the best manager in the league. Maybe Mourinho and Pellegrini can rival but then anyone can do the job they do when they have unlimited money. Wenger cant compete with unlimited money City Chelsea United have. He is doing the best he can. Give Wenger unlimted money and he will win the league. City have spent 150m, United 160m, Chelsea 100m this year while Arsene only 60m how is supposed to compete.

  61. JAMIE

    Jan 13, 2015, 7:58 #64892

    Didn't take long before the pessimistic glory hunters return to their old mode.Just do like you used to do in the eighties and wait for the trophies to return and then you can scurry out of your holes and enjoy the celebrations.Until then just enjoy slagging off Arsenal and Wenger.Red are you that dim-wit MARCUS or have you just popped over from Red-cafe.

  62. Ron

    Jan 13, 2015, 7:53 #64891

    DW - hi mate. Tom Rosicky is knocking on 35. He couldnt play frequently even if Wenger picked him.Ive always liked super Tom but dont kid yself mate, its his injuries thats kept him at Arsenal. The 2006 -8 Rosy vintage, had it have been maintained would have seen him gone the way of Nasri, Fabs and Adebayor and Co a long time since. 'Loyalty' doesnt come into it. Red 68330 - Yr maybe close to the mark there mate. Im just suggesting that Arsenal have the resources to acquire those players ive mentioned , not at all saying they have the will. In the PL theyre maybe not needed to reach 4th, though theyre playing with fire with such a policy based on this Seasons showing arent they.

  63. Bard

    Jan 13, 2015, 7:42 #64890

    some good stuff on here. As usual once we get a win under our belt most of us start getting starry eyed. How many times have we all thought we just need a couple of players to move up a level. I would guess the last 7 or 8 seasons. But the reality is we never do and wont. The problem is that once you move up a level expectations rise and you come under more scrutiny. Wenger doesnt have the nous or expertise to go head to head with the best. He is the best of the second tier mangers, no shame in that. At heart he knows that and thats why we never fill the obvious holes. We can dream all we like but it wont change either this season or next. We will continue to scrabble around the 4th place spot.

  64. Lewis

    Jan 13, 2015, 3:12 #64889

    Jeff Wright stop being negative seeing as how City couldn't even beat Burnley at home and were lucky to beat Sunderland, and drawing against Everton. After destroying Stoke and key players returning from injury we are in good form and we will win.

  65. Ozzie

    Jan 13, 2015, 3:10 #64888

    Said also that a good clean out was necessary, an almost new defensive line would be a start along with a roaming tough nut who can have the opposition donkeys looking over their shoulders. Cant be that hard to achieve --- with a new manager. Yes, Kevin, football is unpredictable - but not when Arsenal are playing the top teams. If you haven't won plenty of dough from these games then get your bet on the mercenaries this weekend - at least you'll have something to show from it.

  66. Red

    Jan 13, 2015, 2:40 #64887

    DW Thomas You do realise Pogba can go to any club in the world and Juventus are a big club who regularly win their league with a top squad and top manager. Why would he take a step down? Why would he trade that for 4th place chasing mediocre Arsenal who are going nowhere? Ron those players you mention Schnierdlin Barkley and Hummels their futures is at a top club mate not mediocre Arsenal for sure. Arsenal is the same level as Everton Saints and Dortmund.

  67. DW Thomas

    Jan 13, 2015, 1:55 #64886

    Ron, I usually agree with you on many issues but today I find our opinions worlds apart. Rosicky is class versus anyone, but gets only a run of games when OGLs favorites are benched or injured. He is slick, has a work ethic like Sanchez, and fabulous touch. His loyalty has been great, and yes I remember we stuck with him through those years out. Sanchez is top top class,,the kind Wenger is always on about. He works tirelessly. Shame players like Walcott and Ramsey can only dream of that type of work ethic. Walcott, though just returned, looked awful and missed a total sitter. He is barely above average rarely. Speed with no trickery. Coq has been a big reason we've done well lately. He is finally getting a decent chance. Problem is, once the favorites are back, these hard working types, Rosicky and Coq, will be benched by Wenger. We still are crying out for a Pogba. He would,single handedly transform our team if brought in. But, we won't get his type. Haven't since Viera left. We need again a few better players at a couple key positions and a huge difference would be made. Too bad only cheapskate only buys top top quality that he can get for a great deal!

  68. Red

    Jan 13, 2015, 1:04 #64885

    Arsenal have a squad of midtable players and a complete fraud as a manager with finances to regulary win leagues. This is what is frustrating.This club with the right manager can be a top club and dominate. But we have that idiot Wenger and his rubbish players being thrice their worth for midtable rubbish. This is why the match goers are dim. They do nothing about Wenger. If they wanted him out he would be gone in a second. Yet they pay stupis money and chant the frauds name. I think Ive come to despise the season ticket holders as much as Wenger. No wonder Wenger cons them of when they are this pathetic. I will enjoy the trashing City give Wenger and his players. Arrogant and conmen like them deserve this as do the Arsenal who are stupid enough to attend this. Also the booing of Nasri by this fans is moronic and pathetic. They dont boo Wenger for anything but they boo him for going to a far superior club.

  69. Ron

    Jan 12, 2015, 23:38 #64884

    Hi Cyril. Yes mate. Much respect to your goodself too as ever.Oh yes, i love a bit of the old 442 Cyril, dont we all. Back in the day it was the 'bible' wasn't it esp for GG as you say, though even he conjured great wins by altering it when he saw fit. Look at Anfield 89 for eg.It does have its uses still and youre right it saved Wengers bacon in the FAC last season didnt it. By and large though, it leaves a team to be over ran in the midfield these days as most top sides play 5 across the middle or operate the diamond type scheme of play. 442 is still a handy tool provided a Coach can change it mid game when it suits or its needed either by a player slotting in or by substitutions. Mr W isnt the best at seeing the time or the need though sadly. Cyril, ive no better judgement than you at all. Its all just a bit of fun venting our views isnt it. Truth is, we know little compared to those in the game do we. Be proud of being old school too. As fans, we had the best and had the fan camaraderie of this funny old game of ours many years back. Im sure of that Cyril. What do you reckon?

  70. cyril

    Jan 12, 2015, 23:27 #64883

    hi ron,i am old skool and 442 has not done mourinho to bad. hey, but we are ofcourse americana arsenal. It's remiss for me to think otherwise. Ron, are u aware that every trophy that has been won under the legend GG and wenger has been 4 4 2. We reverted to 442 to win the cup this year in xtra time. All i am saying is that it seems to work better. However, i bow to your better judgement (i am not patronising you as you post well!)

  71. Ron

    Jan 12, 2015, 23:02 #64882

    Chelsea and Man C wil both be cleaned out in the CL too in my view. Both are a long way behind Munich and Real Madrid and Barca still i venture. i think the euphoria over the Monaco draw was due to Wengers past and the knowledge that a severe slaughtering has been adjourned to be honest mate.I dont expect them to get past Monaco though in all likelihood. Yr right though, the cash till keeps ringing for yet another tie and even when the eventual slaughter arrives they ll claim they went at the CL in a gamely and plucky manner which will give them hope for another campaign assuming they get the 4th place Cup which i reckon they will, by the skin of their teeth. All very dull! Alas, its 'success' in the game today whatever sweats like you and me think. We pays the money to see it or we withdraw from it and observe from afar. Im glad i chose the latter. I do feel for todays young fans though whove known no different and arent able to yet see through the charade.

  72. jeff wright

    Jan 12, 2015, 22:42 #64881

    Our results in Europe ( all the Prem sides) tells the story season after season Ron. Chelsea were the last side to win the Euro Cup with Di Matteo in charge and he later got the bullet for his pains,even Maureen says that he was fortunate but it is a results game.My point is though that Chelsea didn't win the cup by trying to take on the top Europeans at their own game in the way that Rodgers and Wenger try to do. Both these pair flopped in their CL groups albeit Wenger had the easier group and just scrapped through in second spot.It was amusing how the relief shown on us drawing Monaco was so obvious with condescending claims of an 'easy tie' being put up as though this makes any difference to the fact that we don't have a snowball's chance in hell of actually winning the cup. However, it's seen as being a chance to make more loot for Stan and to prolong the drama to help deflect from another duff season in the Prem by Wenger. Where sides like Southampton and WHU have posted similar or even better results so far to our ones . No top players will hang around for ever to just play for a 4th place trophy or a FAC every ten year the euphoria of being the top dog in a struggling side soon wears thin and their performances drop accordingly. .The top players want to be at least competing realistically in the Prem for a winners medal .

  73. Ron

    Jan 12, 2015, 22:12 #64880

    Jeff - spot on fella. Wouldn't it be nice one day to hear some pundit after a glass of whisky too many go on the air and just say what we all know and have known for 6/7 years that that PL is s h i t e. They all know it. Its only SKY and BT parameters that they need to follow to keep their jobs for the boys that stops them from saying it. Some of the smarter ones in fairness do manage to imply what they think in well disguised tones. Mourinho embraces the dross standard hence his physically powerful teams tinged with a few nuggets of gold dust year after year after year. Its not rocket science is it.

  74. Ron

    Jan 12, 2015, 22:02 #64879

    Gooner R - Might i add as well that even if we pushed the boat out to acquire the players that ive speculated upon we d still need a new top Coach. Such players in Wengers arid tactical desert would just wither on the vine and be a waste of money. Any top purchases under him is risky in the extreme as hes past it and has been for as long Man Utd s midfield have been. Sensationalist for you bud or just too near to the knuckle?

  75. jeff wright

    Jan 12, 2015, 21:58 #64878

    Ramsey 35m? I don't thinks GR, as for Kos we would be lucky to get 15m for the chief of the Keystone Kops. I'm dreading him and the big ducking German facing City at Poundlands considering their past form there. Top players move all the time these days anything can happen in the game now with agents controlling things .RVP after his golden boot season went for 24 m and a years supply of Prawn Flavoured crisps to United and he was at that time world class. Ramsey is still young but known to be injury prone a problem that exists with others of saleable value such as Jack. Sanchez is a big fish in a small pond with us as was Suarez at Liverpool,the Prem is not a great technical league more of a physical one and the football that we and Liverpool serve up at times is not really on a par with the top sides in Europe who play it at a different level. Sanchez struggled at Barca to get a regular place and Suarez replaced him .Suarez though nearly won the title with Liverpool while Sanchez is, despite his goal scoring heroics ,only battling for a also ran spot at best with us.Without him we would be midtable .We might still be if he fades on the run-in or god forbid gets injured . There is no disputing the fact though that we sell top players regularly or that after awhile these type start angling for a move to win trophies .They can get the money at these sort of clubs that target trophies as well.Who at one time would have thought that RVP would go to United and Fabregas to Chelsea and Chelsea supporters can't believe that badge kissing fat Frank is at City! You couldn't make it up.

  76. Ron

    Jan 12, 2015, 21:47 #64877

    Sorry GR but yr dreaming. 35 Million for Ramsey? What for? Half a season in 5 years? Dont be silly. I only wish Bayren and Co would come in for Koscielny mate. Hes not top marque.Far from it, Major errors haunt his every game. Man Utds middle filed is the weakest its been in decades and we still couldnt beat them. Its been weak for 5 years. We bossed City for 15 mins and then they owned us. Talkk about wishful thinking. The truth about that squad really is hard for some of you to swallow. Ive already said on many occasions that OX is one to keep yet even with him, his strike rate is poor and needs to improve greatly. Only then will his value soar. Arsenal are average mate. Stop kidding yourself that theyre some thing they're not in the wake of a win a c h i t e Stoke team who were so lethargic that they barely mustered a shot at goal ffs.

  77. GoonerRon

    Jan 12, 2015, 21:21 #64876

    @ Ron - we've not had a saleable asset since RVP? If Ramsey was put up for sale at the end of last season we'd have clubs queuing up to pay £35m+ for him. If Koscielny was put up for sale I'd imagine Bayern and Barca would come calling. If Ox was on the market plenty of top clubs would take him for huge money. Probably others too. As for our midfield dominating a top team - we did it against Man U at The Emirates earlier this season. And against Citeh at home we dominated the midfield for large chunks of the game too. I acknowledge it isn't the norm but no need for the sensationalist headlines fella....

  78. Ron

    Jan 12, 2015, 21:12 #64875

    Ian Urs Son - Rosy has always been class mate. Crying shame about his injuries which hes fought to adapt himself over. Hes still good but only v the Stokes of this World sadly. Bellerin does seem a sound lad as you say but hes 2 years away from being at his physical best. Coquelin is a good scuffler too but hes squad player material mate.No more than that. AFC have to find and buy a ready made middle man who knows what it takes plus they need a quality CB who knows how and when to advance and retract a midfield. The regular keystone cops of a back 4 ALL need shipping out. A new TOP keeper is needed plus a true quality striker. The recognized best team at AFC is a minimal 5 and possibly 6 players away from a title. They should sell Wally Cazorla and Wilshere to raise a good down payment if they arent going to dip into their own reserve of capital. Sneiderlin would be a start and then 2 big bids for Barclay at Everton and Hummels are needed. Buy the Stoke Keeper too. Get rid of the daft Pole and even dafter Dad.

  79. Ian Ure's Son

    Jan 12, 2015, 20:49 #64874

    A few good things from yesterday apart from Sanchez. Rosicky is a class act and demonstrated he is still ahead of most of the other midfield performers - he links particularly well with Sanchez, and that must be the first time the Czech has played 90 mins since the days of Adebayor and Fabregas. Bellerin looks better defensively with every game. And Coquelin looks to have a genuine mean streak within him. If Ospina turns out to be the real deal, then we may be seeing a significant shift away from the mediocrity and complacency that Wenger has kept faith in for far too long. I may even reduce my Prozac dosage tonight.

  80. Ron

    Jan 12, 2015, 20:46 #64873

    Hi Cyril - youre right on one point and wrong on another. Sanchez is as god as sold already in truth. Its a matter of when and the Club have had no prime asset to sell since Van P. Ill give it 12 months though before hes on his bike. Yr wrong on the midfield though. Arses middle field hasnt bossed a big game for nigh on 10 years and they aint gonna start v Man C whoever City are lacking. Play 442 up there and youre inviting another 6 pack mate.442 had its day ages back and v any top team in modern football its a suicide pact.

  81. Paulo75

    Jan 12, 2015, 20:15 #64872

    Bellerin in for Debuchy should be the only change for Sunday. Toure is out for City so hopefully our midfield can impose themselves. Despite everything that's been said and the frustrations everyone has felt this season, we're arguably only a Schniederlin and Winston Reid type signings short of having a very competitive squad. Then again, maybe that's the frustrating thing.

  82. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 12, 2015, 19:58 #64871

    up4grabs, yes yet another name on the long list, but the question has now been changed to who's available, very convenient that.

  83. Cyril

    Jan 12, 2015, 19:08 #64870

    A really strong agile def mid is vital, but we will have to change the system to look more 4 4 2. I think we need to drop ten yards whilst we have a defence like this. Ox is really important going forward. He is fantastic, he really is. He can carry the ball like parlour. We need a similar template as the def and mid need to be closer together. Sanchez is the free flowing player and with Ozil and Rosicky about we can open defences. Theo can then come into relevant play when we are being pressed. Let's earn the right to win games and then watch Sanchez pick them all off. It's too disjointed at present. I watched kompany pull Sanchez about in our home game, like it he wanted his dinner money. More protection for Sanchez, be closer together in the play and then unleash pace. Man City will use 2 wide players to open our midfield this week so we must squeeze the play until we can truly boss the midfield. See any arsenal vs Man U game 98 to 2004 for your template. What's the guess that we sell Sanchez in 2 years to top up the corporation profit.. Happy days!

  84. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 12, 2015, 18:47 #64869

    Red, we've all been here before, as usual with one or two routine wins over inferior opposition with nice tippy tappy football all is rosey in the garden of arsene and his fans again.

  85. Rob

    Jan 12, 2015, 18:22 #64868

    No doubt Sanchez is in a class of his own. Where we'd be without him, I dread to think. But I also like Coquelin and Bellerin. I think the former been fine since he came back and the Spaniard is a real live wire. If only we had that CD that we've needed since August ….'sigh'…….

  86. John A

    Jan 12, 2015, 18:16 #64867

    Simple solution to injuries caused by advertising boards - padding, Should have been done years ago. Ridiculous that a top player is out for ages when a bit of fore sight could have prevented the situation.

  87. HowardL

    Jan 12, 2015, 17:19 #64866

    Red - you make a fair point about 2-footed tackles in general, as they frequently go unpunished. I'd like to see ALL such tackles penalised heavily - Arsenal or not. However, to slyly deflect an opponent into the (ridiculously close) advertising hoardings when he clearly has no chance of reaching the ball is basically injuring an opponent for the sake of it and totally unprofessional.

  88. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 12, 2015, 16:55 #64865

    What was satisfying about yesterday - in addition to all that has already been mentioned - is that the team seemed to have a plan. Stoke were pretty cowardly evidenced by cheap-shots from Crouch, Nzonzi, Arnautovic and Whelan. Only to be expected from a team managed by Hughes and with Poolis's legacy. But Arsenal seemed up for the fight. Sanchez has materialised into a leader, and there's no doubt that Coquelin has added some steel. Those two factors are evidently having a positive effect on the others.

  89. King Jeremy

    Jan 12, 2015, 16:47 #64864

    ..and so the pendulum swings back to the AKB camp. Would love to think that we can get any form of result at City, but can't help but think we will return to type and make them look world beaters (again)

  90. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 12, 2015, 16:32 #64863

    Tony Evans, i'm sure he's already had that look around him mate and more than once, and another one or two at the manager. It might be a bit soon for him yet but it would be interesting to see what would happen even now if a more ambitious club and manager dropped 60 70m on the table i'm sure certain eyes would light up.

  91. up4grabs

    Jan 12, 2015, 16:18 #64862

    Sack Wenger? But who would we get?? Ronald Koeman just another name to add to the list of managers not up to the 'amazing job' Wenger does...

  92. JAMIE

    Jan 12, 2015, 16:14 #64861

    I think we have a real gem in Sanchez,thought he outshone all the other big names at the world cup.There wasn't enough room for him and Messi in the same team and with buying Suarez Barca couldn't keep hold of him.

  93. Mark from aylesbury

    Jan 12, 2015, 16:02 #64860

    Think Im with unchives in that whether you want Arsene to go or not (I do) you have to enjoy the wins. Sanchez's slot into the near corner was straight out of the invisibles. With the saints pulling of a deserved win, every game now becomes a cup final. Wenger must know this and if this pushes him to the limits well that is a good thing as so many areas of Arsenal must improve and many tests await.th

  94. Bard

    Jan 12, 2015, 15:52 #64859

    I thought it was a better performance, at least there was some desire. Everythings been said about Sanchez all true. Credit to Wenger for getting him to sign. Will be interesting to see whether we manage to hold onto him if we continue to scrabble around 4th place. I thought Rosicky looked very good and Coquelin might be a really good player in a couple of years. The next 2 games might be make of break for this team. Beating Stoke is one thing but City and the Spuds are a much tougher proposition. As an aside we seem to be engaged in our usual interminable transfer wranglings in the hope of picking up someone on the cheap. Why not go and make Hummels an offer he cant refuse.

  95. Red

    Jan 12, 2015, 15:18 #64858

    HowardL What about Welbecks two footed lunge on Fabregas and Coquelins dangerous tackle in the hull game? Shouldnt they be banned as well. Oh refs have it in for Arsenal how deluded. Its fans like you why Wenger gets away with murder

  96. Red

    Jan 12, 2015, 15:07 #64857

    This Chamberlain hypefest is funny. Chamberlain is a decent winger but never scores or assists much like Wilshere. He does not even star for the ****e England team. Not really good enough. We certainly require someone of Hazard's calibre in his place.

  97. HowardL

    Jan 12, 2015, 15:06 #64856

    That nudge on Debuchy was crude, sly and unprofessional. Worth a posthumous 3 match ban but it's Arsenal who were wronged so we know it just won't happen.

  98. Unchives

    Jan 12, 2015, 14:49 #64855

    We must be careful that we do not enter a paradoxical situation where we expect the team to fail in order that we can bring in another Manager, expecting to win, it makes no sense. Tactically we know Wenger hasn't got a clue, but I don't care how we win....any win feels good. We've got to sign at least one defender, lets hope Wenger gets it right.COYG!

  99. Red

    Jan 12, 2015, 14:48 #64854

    It was a ok performance and Sanchez is a good player but no need to go overboard. I watched Barca vs Atletico and it was football which Arsenal couldn't dream of playing. Messi Suarez and Neymar in full flow was breath taking. Sanchez is not anywhere the likes of them. No wonder they got rid of him. No need to hype him up. Anyway City will destroy Arsenal and it will be another 6-0. With such a weak defence and midfield of ours Aguero Silva and co will destroy us.

  100. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 12, 2015, 14:43 #64853

    Remember the saying I was there, or where you, when Jensen scored? Another one from yesterday, Bould got up, and not to give OGL tactical advice or shout instructions at the players something much more important than that, to hand a player a water bottle.

  101. Andreas

    Jan 12, 2015, 14:28 #64852

    In Alexis we have got a value for money signing and if he wasn't performing as he currently is then he would have been a huge waste of money. Fed up of pundits saying we rely on him. For the amount we paid we should expect him to be, just hope Ozil and him hit it off. Promising signs he'll have Theo up there with him, once Theo finds his shooting boots it'll be goals galore, hopefully like the second half of the 91/92 season campaign.

  102. Highbury Boy

    Jan 12, 2015, 14:14 #64851

    Give credit where it's due and though I have wanted Wenger to leave since 2008 (and still do) I thought yesterday's attacking display was first class with a stand-out performance from Sanchez followed by excellent games from Cazorla,Rosicky and the Ox. It was not easy in the face of some thuggish behaviour from Stoke and some weak refereeing in the first half. A solid first PL start for Ospina. Next week the defence will come under closer scrutiny and that may not be such easy watching.

  103. Pure STOKE

    Jan 12, 2015, 14:02 #64849

    Wanted to offer congrats to the Gooners support you totally outplayed us yesterday, honours even over the season again 3 points each 2 good games for the home support, heres to next year when battle commences again.

  104. Mike

    Jan 12, 2015, 14:01 #64848

    Everyone seems to be overlooking a vastly and continuously improving Chamberlain as well as a good performances by Rosicky. Sanchez has already proved to be the signing of the season. With the bench already looking better we could have a good run again. Southhampton managed to prevented Man Utd from having a single shot on goal at Old Trafford - they might not go away this time

  105. CT Gooner

    Jan 12, 2015, 13:56 #64847

    First half, probably the best we've played all year, but the second half, yaawwwnnnnn.....

  106. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 12, 2015, 13:53 #64846

    The Sanchez show again alright, top man red hot, what would we and OGL do without him, when asked in the post match interview whether Sanchez was becoming a hero at the club instead of coming out with his favourite reply, yes of course, he could only say look he's playing well, maybe OGL thinks he's the only one with, and who should be given hero status. Yes the team played well some good displays and Ospina certainly deserves a run, but don't be surprised to see the old favourites act coming into play next week, speaking off favourites Wally is back on form already, screaming for the ball only to make a balls of it when he gets it. But it was the same second rate stoke as the last time why couldn't they do it then too? and on other occasions, do the wee pets really feel intimidated away from home? OGL even managed to get out of his seat yesterday good to see he felt safe. It's three more points to the nice boys to help us on our way to fulfil OGL's and his fans ambition of fourth, but regardless of the pretty tippy tappy trying to walk the ball into the net on show by the nice boys yesterday we're as far away as ever of winning the prem and that's why.

  107. Martin

    Jan 12, 2015, 13:50 #64845

    Wenger consistently fails to motivate and organize our squad around a whole season. He won things a decade ago when he had a quite astounding group of players and only United (in transitions periodically) as a true competitor. I don't think Wenger will ever win a major trophy again, with our club. He is not good enough. Wenger Out.

  108. Ollie

    Jan 12, 2015, 13:35 #64844

    Our problem is that we lack anyone who has any fight or passion. I think sigining somone with a bit of fight like Milner would be great for us.. give the other players a kick up the ass when they need it. Wenger is too stubborn as well. Often signs average french players instead of proven EPL quailty to address areas that need strenghening. If we are to challenge they need a CB x2, GK, Holding midfielder and a striker... It could be a number of years before we plug this. If Sanchez form dips I don't see us finishing top 4. Without Sanchez Spurs have a stronger team IMO.

  109. Barnaby

    Jan 12, 2015, 13:27 #64843

    If I was Sanchez, I would get fed up of being the only player with fight, and has to constantly pull the rest of the team out of the mire, especially if u are not winning three title or the champions league, I think this is down to Wenger mostly, for example being embarrassed away to any slightly gifted team, who knows what will happen against Monaco,I hope we do a Chelsea, but we let in to many goals

  110. GoonerRon

    Jan 12, 2015, 13:01 #64842

    @ Barnaby - 'cuz he will waste a few years of his career under Wenger at Arsenal' - yeah I bet he is really frustrated at playing all these games, scoring all these goals, assisting all these other goals, being the main man in a team where he can flourish and being idolised by the supporters. I'm sure he's longing to be back on the bench at Barcelona. Get real.

  111. Unchives

    Jan 12, 2015, 12:59 #64841

    @ Barnaby, you've seen how Sanchez plays, runs back, wins the ball for himself & his team, do you think he is doing that only for the money? He is similar to Henry in the early days, if things were not going right, he would drop deep, get the ball and make something happen. Dont add negatives when you don't need to, just enjoy the fact that he is an Arsenal player and one of the world greats.

  112. Barnaby

    Jan 12, 2015, 12:46 #64840

    My brother went to the stoke game yesterday, and he was close enough to the pitch that when on 85mims,Sanchez tried to win the ball from one of the defenders and he didn't quite get there, he swore at himself and was annoyed. He really is too good to b at Arsenal. He is world class. When he leaves for man city in a couple of years time I will wish him well, cuz he will waste a few years of his career under Wenger at Arsenal

  113. Tony Evans

    Jan 12, 2015, 12:43 #64839

    We appear to be homing in on 4th place yet again (long way to go though) but the frustration of the imbalanced squad, and the lack of real grit and quality, particularly in defensive areas, still lingers with me. As others have said how long will Sanchez stay when he looks around him at his less than capable team-mates. You can't help thinking what might have been had Wenger actually addressed these issues back in the summer, or more to the point about 7 years ago.

  114. Rob

    Jan 12, 2015, 12:37 #64838

    Gaz Hes good, but not good enough for Arsenal I feel. We need a player like Pogba who is the ultimate midfielder. Pogba has defensive capabilities better than Schniederlin and faster and can quickly switch from Defence to Attack like lightning, with the strength like a train.

  115. Pistolpete

    Jan 12, 2015, 12:36 #64837

    I find it odd how many teams get away with a physical approach against us and seem to get booked after 3/4 fouls worthy of a caution. With us, flamini is in the book for his first foul and look at the red cards this season we have had to chambers and debuchy. We seem to get punished quicker. Anyway wouldn't mind seeing us get sissoko now and Schneiderlin in the summer to replace arteta and flamini. Not worried about limiting Ramsey or wilshere's playing time - we get enough injuries anyway so why not go into a season ready for them for a change? More changes needed in defence too but too well documented to mention. Think we need a world class striker too, giroud is painful to watch playing on the shoulder, and I'd love to see his ball retention stats.

  116. GoonerRon

    Jan 12, 2015, 12:32 #64836

    Really enjoyed the energy and fluency in our performance - should give us confidence ahead of the Citeh game. @ Chris - Theo goes missing against big teams? Despite scoring away at Man U on more than one occasion, at Stamford Bridge on more than one occasion (and against them at Wembley), at The Etihad, home against Liverpool, numerous times against the Spuds home and away, away at Everton, not to mention Barcelona in the CL.

  117. Ron

    Jan 12, 2015, 12:28 #64835

    Chris - True mate. A new Coach with free rein and a cheque book could actually lose every player in that squad in my opinion save for Sanchez and the Ox. These two are the only ones at the Club who do have winning title potential. The malaise in the Club though is so deep, its going to take a long while to address.PS Walcott survives by dint of his passport. Hes as poor as a footballer in his way, as you describe Mertersacker.

  118. Gaz

    Jan 12, 2015, 12:22 #64834

    Sanchez really is some player isn't he? Must be up there with the best signings Wenger has ever made and credit to him for doing so. Ron is right though that he needs to be surrounded by players of equal ability or his undoubted talents will go to serious waste and that'll be a terrible shame. Thats one of the reasons I'm desperate for us to sign Morgan Schniederlin because whilst Coqualin has done real well MS really is in a different league at the moment and could be a game changer for us. It's great to have an almost injury free squad but with that brings its own set of problems. Wenger now has to manage these players by picking the right team and making the right changes. Because whilst a lot of fans blame every bad result on injuries the simple fact is over a number of years we've suffered terrible defeats and performances because of Wengers management and noth less...

  119. Dan

    Jan 12, 2015, 12:20 #64833

    Even though Wenger has brought in 5 players he has addressed NONE of the problems we had... We needed a better gk, not done, More assured defenders and a top quality striker, Chambers and Debuchy looks average which is Arsenal all over and Welbeck looks completely off the pace. The gaps left by Vieira is still there, again not properley addressed. Arsenal need an overhaul and atleast another 6 players in with around the same amount leaving if not more leaving

  120. John F

    Jan 12, 2015, 12:18 #64832

    Good performance. I enjoyed Girouds battle with Shawcross. Chris I agree with you about Mertesacker but not about Kos.We defend a lot better when he is fit and in the side.Mertesacker looks knackered.Who is Ozil going to replace if he is going to play against City bearing in mind his poor showing in previous big games.Rosicky,cazorla,Ox all deserve to keep their place ahead of him.

  121. David

    Jan 12, 2015, 12:15 #64831

    All true about Sanchez - he may galvanize the rest, especially Worzel. The trick for AW will be whether he can hold on to him in two years time. If in the long run he proves to be as good as Suarez, the only way Sanchez will stay is if le boss is prepared to bring in equally good players. Missing out of Fabregas still smarts.

  122. James H

    Jan 12, 2015, 12:06 #64830

    A great performance against a miserable team and club. There is nothing good about stoke and a total myth that there have anything to offer the game of football.

  123. Mick

    Jan 12, 2015, 11:57 #64829

    I think top 4 is beyond us, I pray I'm wrong for the good of Arsenal but when you see United's squad they will get top 4, the scousers putting a run together, the fact that Saints are now the real deal.

  124. Bobby Bruz

    Jan 12, 2015, 11:45 #64828

    Man U lost yesterday and finished the game with the same points total after 21 games as last year. It would be fantastic if we could finish above Man U. Southampton deserved great credit. My dream top four would be City, Chelsea, us and Southampton.

  125. Torbay gooner

    Jan 12, 2015, 11:44 #64827

    Good title Kevin, the Sanchez show does indeed roll on. What an inspiration to any young footballers out there. He has now directly contributed to more than half of our premiership goals. This is one of the few times this season we have pressed and shown positive intent right from the kick off. We need to replicate these starts instead of the slow, insipid, negative ones we have seen for most of this season.

  126. Seven Kings Gooner

    Jan 12, 2015, 11:41 #64826

    The way Sanchez hurdled the outstretch leg of the Stoke defender, for the second goal, was of an "Olympic" standard. You are right Kev, Stoke were just as psychical yesterday as back at their place, this time it did not seem to bother us. However Giroud and Walcott missed good chances which is worrying and will cost us against better teams.

  127. Chris

    Jan 12, 2015, 11:34 #64825

    It's been painful watching Gibbs, Koscielny and Mertesacker for a couple of years now! They're just not good enough for Arsenal, simple. Mertesacker has got to be one of the most atrocious footballers I have ever seen with the ball at his feet. Continuing to have to play this drab week in week out because we didn't address the defence in the summer could seriously scupper our chances of a top four finish!! It's getting tight again and our form is not great. We may have to suffer on the defensive side until next season as I don't think Wenger'll be able to get the quality in January. But to be honest, anyone is better than Gibbs, Koscielny, Mertesacker and Monreal- they have continuously let us down and just aren't good enough I'm afraid. They've been given more than enough time and chances but actually get worse rather than better!! Still a lot of deadwood in this team that needs clearing out... You can add Arteta and Walcott to that list too. Don't understand all the plaudits Walcott gets?? He's great against the mid table and below teams but has always gone missing against the big teams in the big games.. Also for a number of years!!

  128. Charlie George Orwell

    Jan 12, 2015, 11:18 #64824

    If only we could play all our games at home. Magnificent Sanchez; Wenger should be kissing his feet.

  129. Ron

    Jan 12, 2015, 11:16 #64823

    About right Kev. Wouldnt we be a mess without the Chilean. What a professional he is and with a smile on his face too. Mertersacker worries me. When Crouch can 'outmuscle' him its time to worry. Szesneys Dad seems a bit of a burke but his go at Mertersacker seems merited. It s an offence to rhinos though. Theyre powerful and fast! As for Sanchez, hes the standard of player the Club needs all over the pitch. Top quality, though i do wonder how long Arsenal can keep him unless the Club changes things radically.radically. Hes on his Arsenal 'honeymoon' right now but he ll want better. Far far better in due course.

  130. Croker

    Jan 12, 2015, 11:02 #64822

    A good summary of the match. I'm very pleased with the energy and link up play Coquelin is contributing. He will at least make a good squad player should that midfield destroyer and water carrier/Makele type ever be signed. Defensive reinforcements are now a must have.