Where have all the season ticket holders gone?

Empty seats and constantly changing attendees are eating away at the Arsenal support’s foundations



Where have all the season ticket holders gone?


Sitting at the Hull FA Cup 3rd Round game recently brought home something that had been on my mind for a while. I know it was a 5.30 Sunday Kick Off, and people were maybe trying to get the last bit of joy from the Xmas holidays, but all around my seat were empty rows, and never seen before faces contributing to a flat atmosphere that was by no means a new experience. It really occurred to me how much the Season Ticket holders who I’ve sat with for the past 19 years have changed, and how rapid that change has been since the move to the E******s. At that moment the change certainly did not feel for the better, and it seems if Arsenal are not careful, a large number of regular attendees will be lost for good, and with ticket prices freezing out younger fans (the average age of a Premier League ST holder is 41) I’m not sure whether it can be recovered. While eventually we all will move on and someone else will take our place, this sense of creating a permanent block of people who underpin the fanbase and create a shared memory is being eroded season after season.

Just to mention I am first and foremost not passing judgement or criticism of any fans who go or don’t go to games, or suggesting I personally am in some ways a “better” Arsenal fan than anyone else because I have been an ST holder for a certain amount of time. This is a just a personal observation about what I’ve felt to be a changing situation among fans going to the home games in the last 19 years of being privileged enough to see AFC, and I would welcome all thoughts and opinions from other fans’ perspectives on the shifting sands of the ST fanbase. People stop going for all sorts of reasons and I’m not blaming anyone for making the decision to not attend - finance, moving jobs/homes, kids, losing interest, anti-modern football, anti-Wenger etc all play their part. I’ve been lucky enough to live and work in London, and to have an Arsenal supporting wife and a dad who still loves to go to every game and can afford to go.

My dad and I got our season ticket for the West Lower in 1996, just before the Wenger revolution began, and he amazingly had a choice of where to sit as Rioch’s fare the previous season wasn’t creating much of a waiting list! As anyone there would say, and Amy Lawrence’s Invincibles book brings it all back, it was a special time. But what made it so special was the people around us. You saw these people once, twice a week, sometimes more than your own friends and family. For some it became a strong bond, we became very good friends with some of those who sat with us beyond the football, getting to know them very well and going to weddings, christenings, birthdays together. But it was also the characters, every block had them – the latecomers, the shouters, the swearers, the jokers, the ones who went to the toilet five times a half, the one with the crazy laugh, the statto who could tell you who scored what when in a League Cup match in 1967. And everyone turned up week in week out, you had your block in-jokes which didn’t make sense to anyone else and it became a part of it all as much as Bergkamp, Henry etc tearing up the pitch. And every part of the ground had their own thing going on.

Without hopefully putting everything down to nostalgia, leaving Highbury was a big wrench, and of course it was going to change to some degree. Arsenal offered a chance for ST holders to move together and sit in the same block to recreate some of what was going to be lost, and we moved with a few others to the new stadium. With 20,000 extra people attending there was going to be some difference, but it didn’t take long for change to happen. You could put this down to a lack of success compared to Highbury perhaps, however, the change began within a couple of years. Instead of the new attendees who had been waiting for a long time to see Arsenal bringing a new drive and enthusiasm and a new investment into the fan base to go with those who had been at Highbury for years, within two or three years, the “new” regulars were changing, regularly. Quite a few seats had a different person every week, people who had been there for one or two years suddenly upped and left. Now after eight years at the E******s the people we used to go to Highbury with, and others who were long term ST holders from other parts of Highbury have either turned in their ticket, or are not attending games anymore. That is the aspect which is most troubling, that people with STs don’t attend and leave the seats empty. I guess they won’t renew when the season ends, but its a troubling development over the last couple of years. New people will take their place, and maybe they will stay on, but it doesn’t seem to be the case at the moment.

In any ST issue, the waiting list looms large, as there seems to be an endless supply of people happy to take over from anyone who leaves, and perhaps they can go on to create their own groups and memories in the crowd, but from my personal observation it seems that more and more people who spend all that time waiting for a prized ticket only stick it out for a couple of years and then move on. Maybe they find the moaning and groaning jaded cynicism of regular fans wears them down, but it leads to a constantly unsettling pattern where a lot of the people around you have never been seen before, and probably never will again. There are still some characters and regulars there and new friendships and shared experiences can be formed – moving from Highbury I was instantly struck by the bloke who starts the chants but gets carried away and runs down the steps screaming and waving his arms about, the guy who looks like Father Christmas, the one with a strong hatred of Per Mertesacker, the one who brings sandwiches and a tea flask (and sometimes a packet of bourbons). They are still hanging in there, but they are diminished, and the fabric of the fanbase feels frayed. With that seeming to break down as people who have been going for many years stop attending, and are replaced by either empty seats or a constantly revolving group of corporate invites, tourists, one time a year fans or friends and relatives attending a handful of games a year, it can only impact on the core of the stadium. A rootless and irregular procession of faces here one game gone the next, with little shared experience to hold on to, leading only to a rootless and irregular atmosphere.

With the erosion of terrace culture, all seater stadia and the like, the regular ST holders are among the last grouping of fans who can still breath life, shared history and traditions into a club’s support. I can see how this can sound like I’m suggesting going to Arsenal should be like an exclusive membership club, or perhaps I’m just having a nostalgia trip longing for past days. I’m not at all, there should always be room for people to come to the odd game if they can. Perhaps its just I’m sitting in the wrong seats! It is indeed worrying that very few young people get to see Arsenal regularly anymore, but of those that do, barring a few exceptions I haven’t noticed many “new” ST holders staying beyond one or two years max, or even attending regularly and involving themselves in the matchday moments or creating their own groups. That will affect all Premier League clubs eventually as even “young” 30 something regulars like myself give up the ghost. Any home attending fanbase needs the underpinning of the core group of season ticket holders and it is they along with a harder core within those who go home and away who are the bedrock of support, cultural experience and shared memory. They also provide a potentially crucial coherent voice of dissent. If all of that is on shaky foundations it can all come crashing down. Whether changing the manager, or reducing the prices, flexible season tickets or anything else will either happen or indeed work to keep hold of that core is the key, and one can only hope the rot stops before it is way, way too late, and we all just become a nomadic Red Army.


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  1. Rocky RIP

    Jan 19, 2015, 11:45 #65223

    Jock - as I've said countless times before, people didn't mind so much that the football wasn't great back in the early 80s because there was so much else to enjoy about the whole experience of going, even if it was seriously hairy at times. You came home and you felt exhilarated/physically exhausted/relieved to have got home in one piece, with your eyes ringing from the noise and your new trainers soiled. You knew you'd been to a football match. You can come home nowadays almost untouched by it all, slightly underwhelmed and numb (possibly with some mustard on your shoes from some mong's dripping hotdog.) If the football isn't up to scratch nowadays then there's little about the phoney 'match day experience' to make it worthwhile paying over £60 for a ticket, which is partly why people kick up a stink at us only being 3rd or 4th best. Many of us used to go to games for the incredible singing, banter between the rival fans and noise and solidarity between our fans at home games (where has that gone?) Winning was a way of facilitating an even better atmosphere; losing even at home was unbearable for the noise that cascaded back at you from the opposition fans rubbing your nose in it. Now winning is just about all there is to go for. Take that away and people won't want to go as attending becomes an ordeal.

  2. Jock Gooner

    Jan 19, 2015, 11:07 #65214

    Good article and I agree wholeheartedly with Andy H. I started going to Highbury in the early 80s and used to pay at the gate - it was easy to do so because most weeks the ground was at best half full! Attendances never really dropped below 20,000 but you could stand where you wanted, with your mates and with the same group of folk around you every week, the rituals, the banter, real supporters - you had to be to watch some of the 'players' back then! There was always a cracking atmosphere around Highbury on match day and if the team were playing crap you hadn't paid through the nose to watch it. The thing is it was fun going to the footie, a laugh win or lose and easy to get in! I work away from London now and the hassle to try and get tickets for my son and I is just not worth the return. There isn't the same vibe at Emirates, 'Corporate' has won the battle because they know that fans won't do the unthinkable and risk their ST by not renewing and staying away. Instead you are rewarded by being forced to pay through the nose to fund AW as he plays God with our club. Honestly, when is Bouldy going to be allowed to take sole charge of the back four! Anyhow, I feel truly privileged to have experienced and enjoyed many many happy times at Highbury. Don't get me wrong I understand why the real supporters still go but I vote with my feet and stay away.

  3. Rob

    Jan 19, 2015, 10:38 #65210

    Nice piece Tim. And all reads horribly true.

  4. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 18, 2015, 21:19 #65178

    Jason B, as much as it's welcome it will take more than one good victory to change peoples minds.

  5. Jason B

    Jan 18, 2015, 21:14 #65177

    Hopefully we see some of those seats filled once again following our victory today!

  6. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 18, 2015, 14:43 #65160

    Rocky RIP, spot on, this is certainly not the Arsenal we all fell in love with, and how anyone can fall in love with this one is beyond me, and it's all because of an egoistic old man who has been past it for years who thinks he owns and is the club.

  7. jjetplane

    Jan 18, 2015, 10:55 #65152

    Great post RocKY and would all like to say that the beef with Arsene Fc is that he is in the driving seat of this malaise from a game of passion to a day out at a sports complex. This is how he sees the game and I wish he had never come to Arsenal. He's not the only problem but he is anti-football as we know it. We need to go where the Germans are. You even end up ruling the roost that way. Cheers.

  8. Rocky RIP

    Jan 17, 2015, 22:44 #65146

    A spot on article which anyone with any observational skills will agree with. A very sad state of affairs, and it isn't just Arsenal. It's absurd that many of the people that care the most have (for differing reasons) stopped attending. As I've said before, if you create a certain habitat, it will inevitably be lived in by a certain species or creature. In the case of the Emirates, it's increasingly people I don't recognise as proper football fans. It's increasingly dispassionate (and unknowledgable) day trippers, JCLs, tourists, corporates and floating fans, all with little desire to add to the atmosphere. They want the match day experience with being a part of it. We all have an equal right to be there, but pricing out many working class fans makes it exclusive, not inclusive for all. The game is perilously close to driving out its core support and will come back to bite it sooner or later. The arguments that it's 'market forces at play' 'supply and demand' and 'as long as there's people to take up the new STs that have been ditched then who cares?' is a misguided one which ignores the bond between a club and its fans which is key. Football fans are treated as customers now. (In our case we are customers in a business model where we fund the model.) Customers always demand value for money. No other brand has such customer loyalty as football fans, but erode that unique relationship between fans and clubs and even football fans will recognise they are being exploited and will have a tipping point. For many, that came years ago, but others are following in their droves. Why pay over the odds to sit in a sterile atmosphere, surrounded by mongs and mutes? plenty have asked themselves. I love Arsenal with an unbreakable passion, but I'm realising this is based on what I fell in love with decades ago. I doubt it'd be the same if I went to my first game this season. (I used to drag mates along to stand on the North Bank because I couldn't believe how amazing it all was.) Are clubs doing anything to address it? No, they just care about the money. Losing long-tem support doesn't concern them as long as STs are replaced. Something needs to change or it's lost forever. As the guy from Red Issue said on its closing ...“The game we’ve been clinging onto is gone. Football now is happy-clappy families, half-and-half scarves, tourists and selfie sticks; there’s no point trying to fight that. “We’ve been through all these points and arguments over and over again during the last 20-odd years raging against the killing of a culture that’s long been deceased. “A United employee told us on Warwick Road recently, ‘Everyone in the club offices reads Red Issue. It’s like the antidote to working there’.“But where’s our antidote? The Bull**** Industry’s become overbearing, and we can’t stand the stench any longer.” Columnist ‘Mr Spleen’ also added: “You can only kick against the p****s for so many years before the toe caps on your boots wear out.”

  9. Brad Lancaster

    Jan 16, 2015, 23:12 #65124

    Jimbo - I'm 33 and I ave had enough. I bet you lookforward, to your grand kids in 40 years time saying 'what was it like down the emirates backin the day' You can tell them, ''well I got a spare ticket from someone I don't know via twitter' ten ended up sitting next to a bloke from hong kong, who spent the whole game taking photos, whilst I played candy crush! Please don't ask me the score or who we played, because i was on facebook all game, but I spent 60 quid on the ticket and left 10 mins early because wanted to get home to wAtch x factor.

  10. Alsace

    Jan 16, 2015, 17:51 #65117

    I love Jim's suggestion that Arsenal fans are racist. This shows the danger of having people in the stadium who know nothing of the club's history and of pricing proper supporters out of the club. It is has was and hopefully always will be an absolute understanding amongst Arsenal Fans that racism is completely unacceptable. Why on earth do you think that we have such a cosmopolitan following ? People of Jewish, Irish, Cypriot, West Indian and goodness knows what antecedence thronged the standing North Bank with everyone else and felt safe there. As for Jamie, he would read George Orwell's 1984 and simply madly deeply love Big Brother too.

  11. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 16, 2015, 10:05 #65090

    Seems like JAMIE, Jimbo and Lewis are the new AKB triumphate. These people are not interested in how Arsenal actually do. They are interested in the sense of moral superiority they get from watching their Philosopher King Wenger lead a team of small attacking players who are 'above' being able to handle the physical side of the game.

  12. cyril

    Jan 15, 2015, 18:45 #65071

    jimbo, you have got that wrong. I am an over 40's fan and ST. I don't doubt that you attend and if you do, you would notice that a very sizeable % of regular attendees are in my age bracket. Without us, there would not be full attendance. I hope you get to be as loyal as us and then you may reflect back on your comments. I am tempted to give you both barrels but i put it down to you being young. It's like god's waiting room in there and i am moving up that queue no doubt, but have a little bit of respect ...

  13. Andy B

    Jan 15, 2015, 18:31 #65069

    I gave up my season ticket about 6 years ago after having one since the 80s. I remember getting excited about getting a season ticket for most of these years especially when you had to queue to pick it up years ago. I recall treating my book of tickets with numbers on as a gold bar. I even remember when you could go to paint the ground to get a free one. I gave mine up because the club just wasn't the same and the cost simply priced me out and the club was treating us like ****e .....and I no longer felt the same way about the direction the club was being taken and this has become more obvious in recent years. My mates who still go all say the same and are all thinking about giving up their Season tickets. Football generally is really too corporate and money driven and it's become far too expensive for most to take their kids, me included, which is a great shame.

  14. Hiccup

    Jan 15, 2015, 18:04 #65067

    Lewis and Jimbo are one and the same. There used to be a prat that posted on here anti GG and all his players, posting under several names. Sad really. Looks like he's popped back again. He'll bore off by the end of the week.

  15. UTU

    Jan 15, 2015, 18:02 #65066

    Good Article, sums up the problems of watching Modern Football. I give up watching The Arsenal at the Spacebowl in 2008. Expensive Tickets, Idiot Stewards and No Atmoshere over The Arsenal.The Arsenal today is all Profits, merchandise, selling our best players and the team making the same mistakes, week in, week out on the pitch. For me there No excitement watching The Arsenal today.

  16. mark from aylesbury

    Jan 15, 2015, 16:33 #65062

    Lewis - By the power of Viera's boot I command thee to Leave Arsenal and never come back! See how stupid that looks, now have a look at your own ignorant bull****. PS I do actually still attend matches!

  17. Lewis

    Jan 15, 2015, 16:11 #65060

    mark from ayelsbury - Thankfully you are not coming to stadium anymore. We don't need people like you at the club. Nor are thug players ever going to be signed. Nor are thug tactics employed by Arsene. The fact you want us to injure opposition players show you why the club got rid of people like you. Good riddance.

  18. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 15, 2015, 15:35 #65056

    Jimbo - Is your dad called JAMIE by any chance? Found you out you old twazzer! You've got equally sized chips on both shoulders now. It's called critique you numpty - something is wrong at Arsenal Inc and all we're doing is trying to make sense of it and hope it'll get better. If you don't like it, then go back to reading the Daily Star and AFC programme

  19. mark from aylesbury

    Jan 15, 2015, 14:58 #65054

    maybe if Jamie stopped bellyaching, bitching and moaning about all the others on this site, then just maybe Jamie might be a happier little soul!

  20. mark from aylesbury

    Jan 15, 2015, 14:43 #65052

    Lewis - Why don't you go somewhere you haven't got a monopoly on what is right or how Arsenal should play. You do appear to have swallowed a lot of angry juice today though. Perhaps yous should piss off to Crewe Alex who apparently play the right way. Small lightweight Arsenal players constantly being injured and unable to cope with rough house tactics that are regularly handed out to Arsenal. This mode of play is simply not going to be sanctioned out of the game and football is physical fact. If we want more of the same then we keep on employing 5ft 6in diddy midfielders. Arsenal used to win things regularly with a mixture of technical skill and tough defensive and defensive midfield cover. Also Denis Berkhamp could dish it out too and he was to my mind the greatest player I have ever witnessed. Are you genuinely happy consistently losing in a league that will not change? When a simple re-balancing to some faster bigger tougher characters could put us back to where we used to be and yes Wenger was in charge when we had these type of players at our disposal.

  21. JAMIE

    Jan 15, 2015, 14:40 #65050

    Maybe if these super fan old schooler's spent more time watching Arsenal instead of moaning about those who do, there would be less empty seats.I find these fans are the last to attend,the last to make any noise,yet the first to bore us all with their incessant bellyaching. Bugger off to the spuds they need fans like you only 24,000 watched them last night and they'll soon be wanting to fill their new 60,000 flying saucer with folk like you.

  22. Ian Musgrove

    Jan 15, 2015, 14:28 #65046

    Spot on article Tim - the Emirates is a disaster for Arsenal Football Club. Too expensive, too many day trippers, utterly souless. The amount of empty seats well before the end of a game says it all. If you want to watch football like it was in the good old days go and follow your local non league team.

  23. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 15, 2015, 14:14 #65043

    Ron, and the majority of them by Lord and master wenger.

  24. jjetplane

    Jan 15, 2015, 14:11 #65042

    It's exactly banal little posters like JIMBO who sum up the Arsenal Edge these days. You sound as dull as what you are watching. Keep it!

  25. Lewis

    Jan 15, 2015, 14:10 #65041

    mark from ayelsbury - The same dark arts that disgusting thug Arnaoutic used on poor Debuchy that broke his shoulder. Now he is out for the season. Previously another thug Milner broke Debuchy's ankle start of the year. Another United thug McNair broke Wilshere's ankle in November. Lets not forget Shawcross breaking Ramsey's leg, Martin Taylor breaking Eduardos leg. This is what dark arts does. It is disgusting and has no place at Arsenal. Arsenal play football not send out players to injure opposition players. Also the clamour for these type of thugs like Shawcross, Milner, Arnaoutovic is out of order. The fact that you want this is absurd. Go watch Stoke if thats what you want.

  26. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 15, 2015, 14:04 #65038

    Alsace, if you haven't dropped in the last six or seven years listening and watching wenger you never will mate. John F, 68449 and get in the hole.

  27. JAMIE

    Jan 15, 2015, 13:42 #65037

    Some people just love to moan.These precious little wob darlings always want everything exactly as they want it.Too many rich people-booh hoo hoo.Stadium not designed to our liking-booh hoo hoo.Not enough tattoed yobs or old schooler's-booh hoo hoo.Atmosphere not as loud as it should be-booh hoo hoo.If you don't like watching great football played by athletes go watch West Ham or Charlton and if you want to stand in a old stadium stinking of pee watching 1980's footballers banging balls about with hangovers go and watch non league.I have watched football since the seventies and far prefer it now,by the way my brother and I are off to Monaco next month got tickets from their site in the home end can't wait.If you're all good I may even have a little story for you all tomorrow night.

  28. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 15, 2015, 13:30 #65035

    jw, was it even TOF who signed Sanchez? had he anything to do with it at all because going by Arsenal Fan tv on the embankment on new years eve night while interviewing Gazidis it was him, I can't remember how many times the interviewer thanked him for Sanchez, he did everything but get on his knees to worship him with thanks, even shouting thanks after him as he walked away.

  29. mark from aylesbury

    Jan 15, 2015, 13:19 #65033

    Lewis - Yes the Man City defense is mainly foreign, Chelsea's team was built previously more around a British spine. When we won the double in 98 we were based around a British defense. I am not arguing that you have to have a British defense to win things now what I explained was that if there is xenophobia towards Wenger then an element will be explained by some fans wanting a to see a move back towards a classic British based "winning justifying the means"" that was found under George Graham and it was this mentality Wenger used to win titles. There is a lot of stuff out there saying Wenger let the defense sort itself out, he effectively let it coach itself and that allowed the more expansive,technical play to be a success. Technical play would not have been so successful without the pragmatic and rigorous dark arts off our defensive unit shielding us. Since we lost that Hard as nails approach we are simply not winning. If it makes you feel happier I would quite happily take 4 Chileans in defense because quite frankly they are frightening in their physicality. Jimbbo - Adams had a drink problem and so did Merson in midfield, as far as I know Keown, Bould, Dixon, Winterburn, didn't have an issue. Most big clubs had heavy drinkers in the 80's and 90's so not sure what your point is.

  30. shu

    Jan 15, 2015, 12:52 #65029

    Nostalgia ,thanks for that John

  31. Chris

    Jan 15, 2015, 12:48 #65028

    Ron - Agree with you there. Was at Dortmunds Westfallenstadion when they trashed our lot. It was brilliant. The players and fans were one together. The players their thrive of the fans atmosphere and put in a great performance. I knew we were done for pregame. The 30000 standing section brought back highbury memories. The whole stadium it looked to me was built for the fans. Its a shame Arsenal never took a look at them before they built the corporate bowl.

  32. Ron

    Jan 15, 2015, 12:31 #65024

    HI Gaz - its the uniformity of the stadiums design that kept its costs down and allowed it's quite speedy construction. Its a very simplistic design, with its circular sections all around the ground, the almost identical restaurant and bar areas too. The materials used to build the frame of the stadium are all very cost effective (cheap in fact!) but not designed to endure. Its my view they ll have many systemic and fundamental problems with it in less than 40 years. Most engineers who had the remotest of involvement with it said this at the time too. To change the design of that place now would be a costly engineering night mare.

  33. Gaz

    Jan 15, 2015, 12:18 #65019

    @Redmember: I think you make a great point RE the design of the emirates and the annoying thing is it really would not be that difficult to sort. For me its just far too similar all the way around and lacking in character. All they'd need to do is get rid of Club level at the north end and make one stand thats effectively two tiers with some boxes splitting them. Ideally I'd lose the boxes too and have one big stand but we all know that'll never happen. This way though the ground would have an end thats obviously the 'home' end which woulsd surely improve the atmosphere even if only a little bit...

  34. Ron

    Jan 15, 2015, 12:11 #65018

    Red Member - very true mate. The siting of the Club Level there speaks volumes. Best seats, best views by far in that stadium in the prime part of the stadium. Its tells you where Arsenals priorities lie. Yr point about other superior forms entertainment is very well made. Many football fans have realised that football is nt and never should have been the be all and end all.i The Emirates Stadium has been very much a 'guinea pig' build. I think you will see that other Clubs will learn from the folly of the Emirates design in years to come. Liverpool will for sure look to cater for its regular fans in ways AFC were never going to do. It remains to be see which London Clubs will do so. Maybe Tottenham might but i think its less likely London Clubs will give it much cause for concern. The harsh reality is that in my view, the Northern Clubs likely to venture into new stadia territory will take a more fan centric approach than a London Club. I know that Everton are doing so at the moment too. The fabric of the Clubs and the fans has always been closer re Central region and Northern Clubs than has been the case in London.I can only express this view having lived for many years in all 3 regions.

  35. Lewis

    Jan 15, 2015, 12:04 #65017

    Ron is that so? Ok then name another world beater from the brits other than Bale. There is no one else. Lets not forget the england players laughable performances in the world cup. Face it brits can't produce top players. Mancs stupidly spent 30m on Shaw and Liverpool 26m on Lallana who have turned out to be ****e. While Wenger bought Sanchez for 30m. Me pointing out archaic views of football is not a sky driven rant. Football has moved on and so should you. Keep complaning with your archaic views of how football is lost while I watch the breathaking and heavenly football of Barcelona and the masters Messi Suarez and Neymar im full flow which your so called good old days could never produce.

  36. James

    Jan 15, 2015, 11:58 #65016

    So, just to be clear; some people on here are suggesting that you can only go to games and be considered a 'good fan' if you have been going a number of years? I find that mad and almost a little bit like fan snobbery. Anyone has the right to support this club and not all people support in the same way. I've been at many games where I've heard people who have never played the game at any level before give what i believe to be crazy tactical opinions - but that is their opinion and they pay their money to go so they are entitled to voice it even if i disagree. I would suggest the same thing applies about how people support. I am not saying i have always enjoyed the atmosphere inside the ground, and i would love to be standing and singing for 90 minutes - I often find myself looking at other clubs and almost wishing we had that level noise in the stands. But who am I, or who is anyone else to condemn fellow supporters for this and suggest they behave in a certain way. Arsenal is a global football club followed by millions. It is not 'an old boys' club where certain members have exclusive rights to go just because they have been for years. I know lots of people who only go to one or 2 games a year because its all they can afford/get tickets for. That doesnt make them less of a supporter. They love to go and will do anything to get there and its the highlight of their year when they can actually get hold of tickets. Maybe some of the 'old guard' need to appreciate this and maybe we, as supporters should respect that not everyone has to behave the way others do. I think the real issue here is that courtesy of Arsenal Board and football in general, the ability to go to football games seems to be based on your finances. That is the problem in my opinion and as much as i hate the fact that the fan with the most money wins, thats the reality of it. And, as a paying customer whether i like it or not these people have a right to be there and there is no code of behaviour saying they have to sing/chant or be like it was at highbury. That has to be respected

  37. Ryan

    Jan 15, 2015, 11:49 #65015

    Ron Our academy is a shambles. Wenger has been spot on with every youth player he has shipped away. But Wenger's ability to find a gem has saved our skin and made us what we're today. Your critiscm of Wenger for not bringing up rubbish such as Frimpong, JET, Watt, Pennant, etc is laughable. Now, Wenger finds gems such as Vieira, Henry, Rvp, Anelka, Cesc, and so on for nothing, and doesn't need the rubbish academy players he's shipped away... There's not one single one of them we've regret, so Wenger has been SPOT ON with them...

  38. Ron

    Jan 15, 2015, 11:42 #65014

    Jimbo - pop over to Germany and check out modern standing facility. Strange that you see fit to make yr derogatory comments, do we get the same privilege? If so, ill just say that you seem a bit thick to be honest. Lewis - carry on with your SKY driven rant re home grown players, but while you do so, check out the donkeys that have been imported into the PL over the last 20 years. Lack of ability isn't monopolized by english players. Grow up you dim fool.

  39. Jimbo

    Jan 15, 2015, 11:36 #65013

    Wenger turned these clueless British defenders into proper players.No more quaffing ale and chasing skirt once Wenger arrived to sort out the dross.

  40. Lewis

    Jan 15, 2015, 11:29 #65012

    mark from aylesbury the current title holders City had one brit player in their spine Joe Hart and he was the worst of them a liabilty. This proves the need for a brit spine is bollocks. And most brit players are not good enough and overpriced.

  41. mark from aylesbury

    Jan 15, 2015, 11:14 #65010

    Jimbo - Time to admit my age knocking on at 46 years of age. Now you say that the supporters over 40 are racist. So are you saying that the supporters are giving our Black players grief?? Sorry mate don't believe that. If you mean Anti French then you probably mean "xenophobia " which is an unreasonable dislike of foreigners. It is quite common and I would suggest you see strains of it in Miles Palmer ANR blogsite. I would also add that there is a genuine view that the UK spine inherited from George Graham helped Wenger. The back four were already drilled and all demanding winners to a man. Hence Tony Adams call to arms in 98 after the loss to Blackburn. Have we ever seen Arsenal recover a real losing position since?

  42. mark from aylesbury

    Jan 15, 2015, 11:01 #65009

    Tom from St Albans - Thanks mate a very sensible idea, just emailed the contact requesting to go to back of queue whilst adding my son. Meanwhile I will use my silver's as and when I feel like it (Wenger anger permitting)

  43. Jimbo

    Jan 15, 2015, 10:59 #65008

    If you prefer the good old days 30,000 sweating urchins pushing and pulling singing and punching each other then that's your prerogative I suppose.The older fans I've met and with the views expressed on here all seem slightly racist towards our players and manager and a bit delusional for my liking.

  44. Lewis

    Jan 15, 2015, 10:47 #65007

    Great idea Ron lets get rid of all the foreigners and watch Brits who have no technique, skill all just brainless pace and power and you wonder why England never win anything. Arsenal without their foreigners would never have won what they did since Graham and would be inba very bad place. Even the current brits we have are average. If we had 25 of them we would be Sunderland.

  45. Red Member

    Jan 15, 2015, 10:31 #65006

    I think one of the problems at the Emirates is the gap between the upper and lower tier and how poor the atmosphere is for those in the upper tier. My view is that the mistake was made in creating the club level tier. this should not have been allowed to go all the way around the stadium. I think Liverpool have learnt from this and they will have a new kop end with just the regular supporters and not the corporate club level boxes. As a red member I now only attend if I can get a ticket for the lower tier. Bizzarely they are also cheaper?? I just dont understand who would pay higher prices to watch a very average side from worse seats. For the first time since the move to the Emirates I also havent got any plans to go to another game at the moment. I am starting to realise how much money I can save to spend on other entertainment...if others start to feel the same way then the club has problems ahead.

  46. John F

    Jan 15, 2015, 10:23 #65005

    Jimbo I nearly spat my false teeth into my cocoa after reading your comments.Remember it was us over 40s that kept the club afloat during the bad old days of no live telly and lee Chapman.I am sure I have still got my campaign medal somewhere.

  47. Bard

    Jan 15, 2015, 9:53 #65004

    Jimbo, you need to understand the difference between whinging and criticism. A lot of those on here have been life long supporters to dismiss then as whingers is ridiculous. I presume your comment on hypocrisy was a typo or you dont understand the meaning of the word. If what I experienced at the Stoke home game and many others is the new order you are alluding to then you havent ever experienced a proper atmosphere.

  48. John F

    Jan 15, 2015, 9:47 #65003

    It is not just Arsenal issue. I came across a Chelsea poster yesterday complaining of exactly the same thing about the bridge.When the Spuds and West Ham get their new stadium it will not take long before they are posting about the same problem.Quite simply it is just too expensive pricing younger fans who make the noise out of the game.Clubs are trying now to attract a Wimbledon style Tennis crowd which might explain why it is so quite when the ball is in play Soon the only chant we will hear is "come on Tim"before the Goalie takes a goal kick.Lets hope we do not sign a player called Tim. It was a really good atmosphere at the F A Cup screening at the Emirates when tickets were just a fiver.There was a pitch invasion though so I would imagine the club will think twice about attracting commoners if we get there again.

  49. Jimbo

    Jan 15, 2015, 9:15 #65002

    Will be good to see the back of those fans who clearly are not really up to supporting Arsenal anymore.The over 40'S In general are depressing to talk to and I wish they would stop grumbling and please dissapear.You've had your time with your Highbury and all that I'm fed up of all your whinging.Just p*** o** will you.Young fans see through all this hypocrisy.

  50. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 15, 2015, 9:13 #65001

    Tom from St Albans - I know what you mean mate. My 9 year old son is Arsenal mad and his twin sisters aren't far behind. Watching him play is much more wholesome and exciting than enduring Arsenal Inc. these days. I had an ST in the clock end for 8 years in 1990s and it was a centrepiece of my life back then. I'm now living in west Wales though which, footballistically (it's a made up word JAMIE), is the back of beyond. Nevertheless, took the little fella to see Cardiff on Saturday (their first game back in blue) where there were 22000 up-for-it supporters. To see fans who have been fooked by the club owners even more than we have was interesting. I think their own idiot (V Tan) needs the fans more than Kroenke will ever need us, but if goes to show what fans can help to achieve through a bit of pressure.

  51. Mark T

    Jan 15, 2015, 8:58 #65000

    Lovely article - many thanks for writing. I've been going to Arsenal for forty years. I am also a home and away season ticket holder (Away Scheme). This season I've probably missed more games than I have been to. I've been selling the home tickets on Ticket Exchange when there's an option to do this. I hate to say it, but some away tickets have stayed in the drawer unused. Why? I'm just desperately unhappy with how things have been going for a number of years. And I'm bored out of my skull. Everything is now just so predictable: the issues, injuries, excuses, mismanagement, style of play etc. I love Arsenal but life is too short. I won't go back on the Away Scheme next year. I'll renew my ST but it might be the last year that I do. And that makes me incredibly sad.

  52. Ron

    Jan 15, 2015, 8:55 #64999

    Alcase - Good post. The irony is that all of this social, economic and demographic change thats resulted largely in the types you speak of monopolizing the 'support' (i see it just as seat hugging not real support) and thus creating the passionless morgue of a stadium that AFC now have, has fulfilled Henry Norris s ambition to the its full extent. The primary reason he moved AFC to Islington was of course to attract monied, well heeled people hence the close proximity of the Club to the centre of London. I do wonder what Norris would think now if he could see the end result of his intentions 122 or so yrs back. I suspect a few regrets might be wistfully admitted by him on the quiet. That Highbury was rarely a cauldron of seething atmosphere was of course down to the cosmopolitan well heeled set who attended there, but todays atmosphere is a whole new low there. If AFC had any sense they would do something about it. The new modern terracing would do for a start. Dedicate a complete end for it right to the upper tiers at cheaper prices and sell the tickets on a first come first served basis. The types you mention wouldnt ever seek a ticket there! It wont happen of course and AFC will be the last Club to put its name to standing only tickets.

  53. Ron

    Jan 15, 2015, 8:39 #64998

    Morning Cyril. Ha. Not the boxing variety of Witherspoons mate. Its a standing joke among the blokes who i see a game with that we have to find a Witherspoons pre match at the wish of one of our number who insists its cheapness is always worth finding on a match day. I suppose hes got a point but he gets a ribbing over it and often gets his way. I might work out how many of the flipping places ive been in one day, write to them and claim a concessionary free meal and free pint for a full Season. Must be dozens of them we ve visited. Always good though unless its my turn to drive which means an alcohol free day!!

  54. Alsace

    Jan 15, 2015, 8:33 #64997

    I could bolster Jamie's p[oint by saying that before the new North Bank Stand at Highbury attendances were maybe 24k on average with higher crowds for big games. The new stand made it 38k every game. It's also true that better times and successful times bring crowds. However, there is more going on than that. 1) Arsenal's commercial department want people with money. They simply don't want the sort of riff raff such as policemen, accountants, solicitors, estate agents, doctors, who are perhaps on £60-80k and who can't manage to keep them and the club in their expensive money habit. What they really want is people who can afford to send their children Hedgefundia, CharityChairia and Clytemnestra to public school and take them there in the Bentley. There is a limit to the number of those people who will stay loyal especially when turning up at 5.30 on a Sunday is the required regular time of attendance. They have other places to be. Gstaad, Kensington, Mustique and oh yes Work on a monday morning. 2) Whilst there are many tourists in our ground, the strength of the fanbase is and was Arsenal supporters saying to friends " You must come to the football, it's great". Those friends come along and see that it really is good fun. 3) The truth however is that the money at all costs formula is not sustainable. My son has a season ticket but I pay for it. He couldnt afford to do so. If I dropped dead he wouldn't go any more. Neither would my friends and family. Things have changed, and certainly not for the better. Having the club run by Arsenal supporters would help, but to do that would cost several billion pounds and an owner willing to sell. Boy would I like to wield the metaphorical knife the day after ownership changed. There is no practical reason not to sustain support by moderating price and encouraging loyalty. Greed is not a practical reason especially in the face of billion pound TV payouts.

  55. Bard

    Jan 15, 2015, 8:19 #64996

    Really interesting stuff. The other issue is a non football one. When I was a kid there was very little football on TV and at school it was football or cross country. Going up to the Arsenal on a Saturday was the big treat of the week. Nowadays kids and adults have so many more options. At my kids school, the local comp, you could do rock climbing sailing basketball and a host of other activities. You can also watch wall to wall football in HD at home. Im not sure its apathy more that people are more discerning.I still think that if Arsenal were a better side Im sure the Emirates would be packed out, at the moment its a side going nowhere and really Sanchez is the only player worth watching. Going back to yesteryear my dad used to tell me stories of the days when fans would wait outside of the ground to hear whether Alex James was playing. If he was they went in if not they didnt. So maybe its not so different.

  56. Unchives

    Jan 15, 2015, 6:36 #64995

    My story can fit almost exactly over yours Tim. I moved a group of 10 to the emirates, we have all gone now.The club, if you can call it that, try to create the illusion of togetherness by making statements using this type of word, however its like love, when its gone, its gone, visiting your old haunts makes no difference, because you long for the past, not the future.

  57. cyril

    Jan 14, 2015, 21:55 #64993

    ron, I love your posts as always, I was wondering if the 'witherspoons' pub you went to is direct competition to Mr Martin or was you thinking about the great wbc champ who nailed Bruno in the tenth round lol..

  58. N4

    Jan 14, 2015, 21:16 #64992

    Good article but the answer is simple, get rid of Wenger, the board and the Yanks you will see people turning up again! Go back to basic! People that are ST holders and don't attend matches are those that can't be bothered to support these lot ruining our club. The hold on to their ST in the hope that changes is just round the corner...!

  59. jjetplane

    Jan 14, 2015, 20:56 #64991

    Gave up the PL ghost in 2004 but have attended matches in many towns and have followed some teams like Exeter for a couple of years and my big games now might involve anything from Brighton to Bedford to The hibees but mainly below Ryman level where the tea ladies know what you want and everything is cheap and cheerful. Look back on Wenger's early motion and there were great times watching the likes of Overmars, Wiltord, Pires (me faves) and an ST was what 300 or so. Course we can go back to the 60s and a tanner getting you in the schoolboys and the north bank through the 70s. Things have changed and social exclusion is now on another level and an Islington kid from where I came from (tin bath land) will see very little of Arsenal life and in that Yankie way like kids from the Bronx saying '**** the yankies.' Followed american college sports for a period which was a real eye opener and a world away from say watching the Chi Bulls at home. Arsenal will always be a part of my life (where I was born - everyone supported Arsenal) but would love a change at coaching level because I did not make it to half time with that Hull game and it was disturbing that even the box cannot cook up an atmosphere when clearly one does not exist. I love watching the game and that is what I am still doing. JAMIE are you the sandwich man in the article? which was a good read.

  60. Tom from St Albans

    Jan 14, 2015, 20:54 #64990

    @Mark from Aylesbury. Same thing happen to me, I was offered an ST even though I was in 8000th place on the waiting list the season before and had a baby boy! I turned it down kept the silver and use that a handful of times a year. Decided to invest in a £5.99 goal from eBay instead of the ST and watching him now he's 15 months old in the garden with the goal and a small footy is much more entertaining and rewarding than the match day experience! I Did get my son put on the ST list with me again so went to the back of the queue but come 5 or 6 years time, he'll be at the right age to go. Brad - Away games are great, have been to a few over the last few years and much better experience than at home. The Arsenal has changed and I so prefer the canon the other way round but football and life does evolve and sometimes you just have to roll with it and adapt. All the best.

  61. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 14, 2015, 20:38 #64989

    I don't know about the endless supply of people willing to take over from those that leave, or that the waiting list is as long as some like to tell us, maybe as you say those that take the offer up don't hang about to long. A guy I know turned down an offer three seasons ago and was offered one again this season he turned it down again and got an email followed by a phone call a week later asking him again, another friend of a very good mate gave his up two seasons ago and got an email offering him another one at the start of this season, and i'm sure their not the only cases or one offs. I don't think season tickets are anywhere near as hard to come by as they were. No doubt if the current regime and their past it manager where to do us all a favour in the next year or so and take their expertise elsewhere the scramble would be like black Friday and the list would soon lengthen again.

  62. exiled&dangerous

    Jan 14, 2015, 19:45 #64988

    Must admit I find it hard to support players who are millionaires before they've achieved anything in the game. Seven years of tickets going through the roof after Murdoch and the FA started sleeping together and then I couldn't afford it anymore. Now? No chance. Football as it was is dead and to be honest I didn't bother going to the funeral..... (but long live Arsenal).

  63. jeff wright

    Jan 14, 2015, 19:28 #64987

    There is little doubt Ron that the club are embarrassed by the thousands of empty seats and the pathetic claims for 60+ attendances that are given out are a joke .Ivan says that this is based on seats sold so why not say that then instead of claiming that these seats are all occupied? Things were very different years back dear Jamie and even then during many dour spells lots of supporters stayed away . I stood on the North Bank may times when it was half empty when the likes of Stoke were the opponents. Also getting back to yesterday's financial affairs net spend by other clubs is no way to judge if Wenger is doing better than them .Spuds and Liverpool have both sold a player apiece for £80m but the loss of Bale at spuds and Suarez at Liverpool weakened those two. .Both clubs reinvested the money and more as well but the managers signed players that did not replace Bale and Suarez .Net spend is just figures without shrewd use of the money it actually means very little. Wenger is an illusionist, he pretends to be a canny user of his money but again ,apart from Sanchez , the evidence for this being true is not proven by the performances of the players that he signs ,or the results that they produce in the league. Ozil's claims that we can win the Prem because we beat Stoke at home is pure comedy gold ,this unlikely scenario requires both Chelsea and City to lose 25% of their remaining games ,while we win all of our ones . That is not going to happen.Ozil needs to start performing on the field of play to justify his price tag and hype and to keep quiet until he does so.You couldn't make it up.

  64. Clockender1

    Jan 14, 2015, 19:14 #64986

    Good article. i've been a ST holder since 1993 in the ClockEnd, the reason the ST's i know have given up is a) The Home of Football has gone, b) our Crest is gone and c) the post Euro 1996 crowd who now represent the majority of our support. There's really nothing for us to identify with any more. When the football was good it helped us over look those things, but now with boring scrappy football why bother ? I don't go anymore, I go to Brentford - its better atmosphere, better football, and better value for money. you'll not see me down The Arsenal until August 2017 at least, when the idiot we pay eight million pounds a year to scrape fourth has gone.

  65. Ron

    Jan 14, 2015, 19:06 #64985

    Brad - super post mate. The best. Ive done that though i only do 4-6 away days. Win lose or draw we have a good day out. AFC are almost secondary even though they provide the reason why we go. I have to be honest to say too that the thrashings on away days these few years have been a bit of a laugh, albeit tinged with much debate in pubs and Witherspoons at each place theyve occured. I see old fans whove been doing it for ages and mate, i still dont know many of their names yet have shared drinks and such like with these guys for years. Its like following a different football club isnt it on away days and there's still a bit of fan camaraderie there.Ive kept the Silver on yet never use it. The tickets i get just come from different sources and contacts in supporters Clubs who ive know for years so im lucky really. The Silver gets used by a youngster i know who goes with his big Bro quite a bit. The AFC i fell in love with hasn't been there for years. I didnt like all the foreign player invasion at the start of it and i dont like it now. The so called 'invincibles' were pretty good, but lacked 4-5 Londoners or at least Brits in it for me.Call me out of touch or whatever but i echo Sean Dyches comments made by him today. As for Wengers Frenchness, they can keep it. Ive never really taken to it having worked there for nearly 3 years at one time and never took to him and dont want to now.

  66. Brad Lancaster

    Jan 14, 2015, 18:51 #64984

    I've decided not to attend any home games this season, and now pick and chose about 10 away games. Main reason I have decided to loan my ST out, is that I hate the current match day experience. We laughed at UTD in the 90s by saying that a trip to OT was like a day trip to Hong Kong. To many tourists selfie stick day trippers have taken the soul out of the atmosphere. I would love to see wifi blocked, so no one could play candy crush. It's not the same experience that I grew up with, it's not the working class supporters, the demographic has change and I don't want to go. The only way to get the old buzz back, is to go away games. Drink behind enemy lines, with the people that want to be there.

  67. JAMIE

    Jan 14, 2015, 17:58 #64983

    From when Wenger first took charge in 96 to the last year at Highbury there was basically the same crowd at the games every week,because we were winning things and with a mere 38,000 capacity it was hard to get tickets outside the regulars.The atmosphere was very special over those years yet Arsenal did outgrow their home sadly and we would look archaic now if we had stayed.I have been watching games at Arsenal since the late 70's and back then I can remember attendances and atmosphere's being very different for each game.50,000 plus crowds for the big derby games, big cup games and Pool,yet often under 20,000 for the smaller games when we weren't challenging for honours which was common back then unless you were a Liverpool fan.What I'm saying is nothing really changes.Loyal fans will turn up whatever,because that's what we've always done.Nominal fans and tourists will turn up when we're winning as from 96 to 06 yet will choose their games if we are not, in reality things always stay the same.I think the reason the writer T.Gibbs thinks everything's so terrible now is he started watching Arsenal at the very start of the boom period so hasn't experienced anything else.They along with some older fans with selective memories seem to be the one's doing all the complaining these days..

  68. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 14, 2015, 17:52 #64982

    Your third paragraph says it all and brings back memories and it should be read more than once, (especially by the JCL's and those who think their lord and master formed Arsenal) (and by those who should know better),it's something you'll never ever experience, thankfully a lot of us have,(maybe that's why there's so much bitterness towards the old guard and those who want change from JCL's and supporters of the status quo) sadly those days are gone, and I doubt times like that will ever be experienced again by anyone and we all know why.

  69. Hiccup

    Jan 14, 2015, 17:44 #64981

    Good read Tim. I can totally understand why fans have left as it was becoming one big expensive chore. Those that remain but only go now and then, I think treat the club like an expensive gym membership that they can afford. And because they don't get the buzz of looking forward to games like they probably used to, turn up when it suits them. If the weathers a bit **** or we're only playing Hull, then pass up on it. If the match clashes with Holby City then understandably it's a no go. And then of course these ridiculous days and kick off times can make it a logistical nightmare. As for a United fanzine finishing, I'm surprised this site still keeps going, as it seems Kevin really doesn't enjoy going to games. That's one thing, but to then muster up any energy to write articles about the circus is amazing. Hats off!

  70. Ron

    Jan 14, 2015, 16:08 #64980

    Football and Arsenal plc sold its soul to the tele so the attendees are acting accordingly. Add to this the oft said comment that the stadium is drab and badly designed hosing a team that equally drab for the most and certainly badly designed too and you have the absences explained.When they designed that place they for sure never had atmosphere in mind and more so than they had of using the benefits of the place to challenge for the top prizes. The stay aways have seen the pup thats been sold to them, like many of us did a few years back. The place is a rip off yet if they rarely bother, why buy the STs? I know for a fact though that theres quite a bit of touting and ST rule bending going on. Its understandable too.

  71. GoonerRon

    Jan 14, 2015, 16:03 #64979

    @ Andy H - just my experience but I think acquiring tickets is pretty straightforward. Yes, the cost of the memberships can be debated but in terms of waiting for the ticket to come on sale to your level of membership - it's clearly messaged on the website well in advance of sale so if you're on the ball it's dead easy. I've got a season ticket and 5 or 6 others and manage ok - if I can then you definitely can!

  72. JV

    Jan 14, 2015, 15:40 #64978

    Actually its great that other supporters get to see the club they love than the same lot. The tourists as well as its a huge opportunity to gain new fans.You seem mad because you think it should be you and your old mates well it isn't. Arsenal is not an exclusive membership club its for everyone.

  73. mark from aylesbury

    Jan 14, 2015, 14:49 #64977

    A really thoughtful article and one that Arsenal management and us all need to discuss as a welcome diversion from the Arsene Wenger discussions. From my own point of view I remember the excitement I had putting my name onto the list for a season ticket. Well I have now been offered and quite frankly I do not know what to do. This issue has also been impacted by a wonderful baby boy who is taking up my time and energies. Part of the issue is also simply modern life. Football had to evolve from the disaster of Heysel and Bradford and Hillsborough. The game had to be given wider appeal and then along came Italia 90 and lets face it the Middle class movement into football. I have members of my family at public school and football is spreading like wildfire. A decade ago the "Posh" would have been horrified and demanded Rugger only at their schools. Football has lost something of its soul in its success. I suspect one way to give something back would be strictly controlled standing areas for season ticket holders only and some form of supply of discounted ticketing aimed at younger supporters. Our club seems to be particularly affected as we appear to have a a larger contingent of well off middle class supporters who are probably less angry, less aggressive and more likely to view the match as their parents would have watched cricket. I may be completely wrong in this and I am certainly not demanding a class war but perhaps we need to reach out to those old hands who remember freezing cold days on the Northbank crowds sub 20k. As a final point cannot understand the view from Manu fanzine for their closure. I wonder if they simply ran out of financial support

  74. cyril

    Jan 14, 2015, 14:42 #64976

    Interesting thoughts: I am a ST in East Stand and i must report back that by and large we keep the same people each year. I can't make all the games due to work. To be fair the club allows us to sell tickets back and i have used this facility. [albeit at quite a reduction]. It's a results business - let's face it. I will make an admission here and say although i have been going to watch for over 30 years now, when i can't go, i am finding the 'matchday experience' in front of the TV or Internet just as good or better sometimes. As sad as it is to say, it is truth. If Arsenal have any understanding, please take note as the above comments are worrying. (Mr Kroenke et al - do not throw the baby out with the bathwater).

  75. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 14, 2015, 14:30 #64975

    I think we know where most of them have gone, they've given up the ghost long ago (and we know why) and if they haven't given up their ticket their holding off for better times under a much better manager who actually knows what he's doing, and when that happens you'll see the real fans return, fans that support the club and not the manager and want to see it be successful and win things. Of course the down side of that is it will see more JCL's and tourists getting in on the act like before after we start becoming contenders and winning things again.

  76. Avenell Road

    Jan 14, 2015, 14:21 #64974

    Great article which brought back a lot of great memories of being at Highbury with the same people each week, year in year out. For me it had a lot to do with the stadium. I had a season ticket between 1993 and 2006 at Highbury I felt a sense of excitement attending every single home game, right up to Wigan. I was bored within a few games at the Emirates. I don't know how that is the case, but it is.

  77. Andy H

    Jan 14, 2015, 14:18 #64973

    Great article i thought. I read this with interest as a supporter who use to go to Highbury and pay on the gate, sometimes treat myself to a seat,before stadiums were doomed to be all seater. Sadly since that day my attendance has dwindled mainly as i prefer to stand and watch a game and secondly the price for season tickets which increased greatly, why pay for what you dont enjoy (sitting).I have a 14 yr old son who like me loves The Arsenal but alas has only seen them on tv. I would dearly love to take him to a game at the Emirates but the hassle is incredible. I had an arguement with a guy on the phone, who was only doing his job, could'nt care less about how it use to be. ALL i had to do was get Red membership for the pair of us ££££ then wait for tickets for chosen match to go on sale to Red members and apply for them and see if i'm lucky enough to get tickets. For that reason i refuse to put money into the club as i feel ( like most clubs ) it is all about money and the supporter / fan comes second by a mile. Through thick and thin i always support the team on the field but sadly off the pitch The Arsenal leave a bad taste in the mouth.

  78. Nostalgia Ain't What It Used to be

    Jan 14, 2015, 13:33 #64972

    Over nostalgic rubbish. You talk of the invincible era being some sort of halcyon age, but there were people then who from being regular attendees 10 years earlier had been priced out and stopped attending and accused the crowd of being a 'Highbury Library'. And how is there a crisis? Less than 30 years ago attendances were under 15,000. That's a crisis. Brdgunner - if our Northern season ticket holders can't attend a sunday evening fixture they should go and support a northern club. Captain Frank - A Man Utd fanzine closes because it's 'fed up with modern football'. Oh really, nothing to do with the fact they don't win anymore

  79. Bard

    Jan 14, 2015, 13:23 #64971

    Really interesting points Tim. I noticed that at the Stoke game. The reasons are complex, prices, Tv but almost certainly the fact that the team are going nowhere and the football is by and large fairly dull and predictable. We usually beat the scufflers at home and lose to all the big teams. The only surprises are bad ones, we get tonked. When was the last time we surprised anyone. Beating City in the nothing cup doesnt count nor Hull in the FAC.

  80. Lanesra

    Jan 14, 2015, 13:22 #64970

    I'm a ST holder of 60 (yes 60) plus years. Your article is a very important one and Brit footie runs the risk of Italian stadiums. Ugh. But so much of the responsibility lies with the way footie is generally run here. TV has caused massive hikes in ST prices and obscene monies for players managers etc. and that alienates potential fans from paying to support a club. Hard thinking is now vital to find ways of getting younger less monied fans into The Arsenal stadium.

  81. Captain Frank

    Jan 14, 2015, 12:45 #64969

    Great article Tim. You've articulated the situation very well and it's depressing. I see the Man United fanzine Red Issue has published it's last edition and the reason they gave was that they were fed up with modern football. It seems there are more and more people growing disillusioned with the game for a variety of reasons, many of which Tim has mentioned. I appreciate one of those is Wenger but just for once, can we try to keep this thread on a more general theme as I think it would be interesting to get the views of all the regular posters - some of whom I know have already stopped going (jjetplane and others).

  82. brdgunner

    Jan 14, 2015, 12:42 #64968

    I think it might be the large of number of northern supporters we have. I moved up North years ago and meet plenty of season ticket holders from up here. I imagine the late Sunday game or the midweek games are too much for people that work. Its telling that the convenient times fill better, which implies its as much about logistics and ability to get to the game as "losing interest". Not that losing interest isn't a legitimate issue. And lets face it, a lot of people bought into a club that was second to Man U and won regularly. Now we have two oil clubs ahead of us as well, winning is a challenge we are struggling to match, understandably in my mind. I believe that also has an impact.

  83. Tony Evans

    Jan 14, 2015, 12:25 #64967

    Tim - enjoyed reading your article even though it left me even more saddened at what is happening at our great club. As a former long term season ticket holder myself who gave up the ghost several years ago now due to my frustrations with Wenger and the path Arsenal have chosen to take I take no pleasure in hearing that the match day experience is generally declining.