How did it come to this?

The Arsenal-Stoke Rivalry



How did it come to this?


Ryan Shawcross intercepts the ball, he tries to run with it but loses control, Aaron Ramsey touches the ball and within a glance CRASH! Shawcross had cynically gone straight through the Arsenal player like a raging bull that had been let loose on the streets of Spain, for the festival of Sanfermines (Running of the Bulls).

Normally you would volunteer to be a part of this event, however something tells me Ramsey did not want to partake in this.

It has been nearly five years since Stoke’s captain committed this reckless challenge, and it is safe to say we haven't wiped this day from our memories. The animosity that we were subjected to that day will make Gooners all over the world grit their teeth in disgust and the consequence of this will mean that the Gunners and the Potters will forever hold a place in the rivalry history books.

This rivalry won’t come as a surprise to many ‘older’ Arsenal fans because for them it is like having a distant strange family member who you try to keep concealed from the neighbours but just won’t go away, probably because they are scared of being lonely. This skeleton in the closet dates back over 40 years ago, taking us back in time to the early 1970s which saw Arsenal and Stoke battle it out in the FA Cup semi-finals on two consecutive seasons. This is where the foundation of the Gunners and Potters rivalry began as Stoke fans feel both fixtures were won in controversial circumstances, consequently knocking them out of the Cup. Stoke’s return to the top flight re-ignited an old rivalry and the Ramsey incident poured fuel on the fire.

What fans boo a player who’s just snapped his leg? If anything they should boo the perpetrator that just got shown a red card and let down his club, yet the Stoke faithful decide to pick on someone who is already down, facing the worst experience of his life. Bullies you might think, are the best way to describe Stoke City fans. You still boo Ramsey now just because he refuses to forgive the person that intentionally set out to hurt him - why? Would you forgive someone who did you serious harm and hospitalised you?

The damage done from the 27-year-old was a lot worse than anyone could have imagined, as Ramsey suffered fractures to both the fibula and tibia of his right leg. This injury wasn't just a blow to one of our up and coming talent’s career, but also to the team, having a massive effect on the season ahead. You know the situation on the pitch is serious when Sol Campbell loses it.

What angers me most is Tony Pulis' abrupt response to Arsene Wenger after the match saying, “He can’t comment on my players. He doesn’t know what my players are made of or are about.”

I understand that as a manager you're going to defend your team but there was no real acknowledgment of just how bad the foul was or any sympathy towards Ramsey. Instead we only hear about how Shawcross was upset, yet he wasn't the one facing nine months out of football. The reason there is still conflict between both sets of fans is because Shawcross came across as the victim. This card wasn't pulled out just once like the red card he was shown for the challenge, but he has been playing it for almost five years because Ramsey won’t forgive him. If he left it at that instead of making a commotion about the whole affair we would be able to start building bridges of some sort.

I will be honest and admit that before this assault took place, I didn't mind Stoke City. I quite enjoy watching an English underdog team do well. To some extent there is an element of admiration towards a club like Stoke being able to sustain a run of years in the Premier League, maybe because it is an extremely difficult achievement. The club also took it one step further and brought European football nights to the county of Staffordshire, which is commendable and you can only praise them on getting through to the Europa League. However, with this new era around the club, you need the right-minded fans because they are the ones who make a name for the club off the pitch and dare I say it around the world. The Stoke fans (not all but some) seem to be more fixated on being a hooligan rather than enjoying the entertainment provided for them.

Over the past four years Shawcross has been defended by people saying "he's not that kind of player!” However I think this could be self-destructive because the moment he commits another horrific challenge, the floodgates will open again. Will the people that once defended him then start saying he is that kind of player? If you look at previous incidents involving his terrible tackles you will find that he broke Francis Jeffers's ankle in 2007; he injured Emmanuel Adebayor in a Stoke-Arsenal fixture, even though Adebayor and the ball were off the pitch at the time. Even in reserve games you will see this evidence. The saving grace for Shawcross is you could see that he was distraught.

The rivalry bound a moment of destruction that will hold its place for the foreseeable future as both sets of fans will look for this fixture as soon as the season calendar is released, because it is a match of vengeance, bitterness and pure grit. The 67th minute saw Ramsey booed at the Britannia stadium back in December and that could only be a ploy to rile up our fans and to disrespect a player that has battled his way back to the top against all obstacles. Although that time it was Ramsey who was the one doing the tackling.


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  1. RWPCswin

    Jan 21, 2015, 12:17 #65418

    I think it's clear to see that the author has shown a unique way of writing to make this article interesting to read and makes you want to keep reading. The points touched upon make the article relevant but also show where this rivalry stemmed from. I enjoyed reading this, great job and well done.

  2. Croker

    Jan 19, 2015, 16:25 #65260

    I'd like to think that away from the cameras and behind closed doors, Pulis had every sympathy for Ramsey's well being and expressed this. Unfortunately, what we saw and heard via the media did not make it seem that way. I wonder if the behind the scenes version actually happened - I'd love to know.

  3. maguiresbridge gooners

    Jan 19, 2015, 12:51 #65232

    Ron, indeed one good win and (as usual) he thinks he's God again, and no doubt his followers more so, it changes nothing.

  4. Rocky RIP

    Jan 19, 2015, 9:20 #65192

    Is it me, or is Gary Neville proving to be a very useful asset for us? He articulates the point about how we need to adjust our tactics according to the opposition (especially away from home v the big teams) so well and hammers home the point brilliantly - to the point where it must have got through to our players by now that it almost serves as a team talk. The discipline and organisation was excellent - if Mourhino had done that it'd be hailed as a tactical masterclass. What still concerns me is that our full backs were bombing forward very late on - madness. Ramsey was dead on his feet way up the field and out of position and Bellerin was our most advanced player. Anyway, big win and hopefully a sign of a change in approach at last.

  5. Tony Evans

    Jan 19, 2015, 8:57 #65191

    Ron - I know exactly what you mean. Wenger's arrogance knows no bounds. One disciplined display and suddenly all the shambles that went before is swept under the carpet. £8M a year and it has taken him about 7 years for the penny to drop! That's if it really has - we will see what happens in the next few games.

  6. Tony Evans

    Jan 19, 2015, 8:44 #65190

    I can only echo what others have said. Where did that performance come from? Fantastic and what so many of us (those with a football brain) have been crying out for. Has Wenger finally seen the light, or will it be back to the gung-ho, kamikaze style we have all endured for so long next match. Let's hope for the former.

  7. Mark

    Jan 19, 2015, 8:32 #65189

    Bard Obvious right top 4 in doubt. Of course Wenger actually chooses to do whats needed. Watch again when we are comfortable for top 4 he will be back with no tactics.

  8. Bard

    Jan 19, 2015, 8:21 #65188

    Antiwenger. youre dead right mate. Great win but the question he needs to answer is why its taken forever before he employs proper organisation and discipline. They looked like a proper side not the suicidal rabble that he has been sending out for the last x years. They looked like they wanted to win the game rather than decorate it. Long may it last.

  9. Ron

    Jan 19, 2015, 8:07 #65187

    Had to happen didnt it, Wenger looking for redemption after one good win v a decent team for once. He says it answers the critics of the defence. No it doesnt Wenger. It says he won one match away at a top Club for the 1st time for donkeys years and that tippy tappy gung ho cant work v a team who can play as opposed to the feckless fodder we usually beat. Put yr leathery smug grin on when you've turned a few others over Wenger, including a few wins v Mourinho. Until then keep it shut. Youve proved or validated nothing other than that your coaching is ill conceived for the most part.What an arrogant chump he is. He ruins the pleasure of that win. Its still very much Wenger out for me.

  10. ed enough....

    Jan 19, 2015, 7:17 #65186

    Arsenal v Stoke.... Rivals? Have a day off mate...You have to be a football team to be a rival of Arsenal. Stoke don't even qualify on that level.

  11. Ozzie

    Jan 19, 2015, 6:28 #65185

    Well thought out. Also take into account the time it has taken Aaron to regain confidence in his leg and thus, his ability as a player. Personally I always felt last year was a peak year for him and doubted he could repeat it as has been so far proven. As for Shawcross, if what you say is true of his past history well...he has to live with himself. On a more positive note whoopee for the win and for seeing Cazorla finally step up and take charge.

  12. Unchives

    Jan 19, 2015, 1:18 #65184

    Great performance and result.I had a sneaky feeling we would do it. Just enjoy folks! COYG.

  13. DW Thomas

    Jan 19, 2015, 1:18 #65183

    Great result! No criticizing Wenger, except we should be putting together more of these types of wins. Coquelin and Cazorla men of the match! Coquelin played excellently, destroying their attempts to play through the middle. Santi worked harder than anyone save Coq or Sanchez. A hero's performance. Now some negatives. Ramsey for me still does too many bone headed things. Playing too far forward when trying to keep the lead. Watch him jog back several times after losing the ball and give ball away several times. His engine helps him, but he needs to mature and learn he is not Zinedine Zidane. Still Coq yelling at the others was great to see and Ospina taking Szcz's spot shows signs of Wenger changing his ways. A truly unArsenal away win. Ox, Giroud, Monreal, Kos, Sanchez all played with grit and a real desire to win. They seemed to,have endless corners at one point, but we defended well, got a little lucky, and took our chances. Give me more of these types of wins against any team, not just the big boys.

  14. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 18, 2015, 22:07 #65182

    Anti-Wenger - right on brother. Someone has finally got through to OGL and persuaded him that we need a combative but organised DM who can do the basics, thus freeing up the others to flourish. Francis - take a bow my son! Now onto more important things - JAMIE, when are you going to give up that p*ss poor excuse for humour?

  15. maguiresbridge gooners

    Jan 18, 2015, 21:33 #65181

    smithy, there's miracles and there's miracles.

  16. anti-wenger

    Jan 18, 2015, 21:33 #65180

    Congrats team, great performance. B4 u AKBs start, it's important to note that this performance and result actually validates the position of the Wenger critics. How many times ve we all been screaming at AW to just be prgramatic and stop fooling himself that we can go everywhere and outplay everybody. Today he ditched his gung-ho Wenger-way, put up a game plan that tried to nullify the opposition's strengths and we can all see the result. Why can't we do that often? How many points ve we thrown away in the past bcos he simply refuses to set up his team with the opponent in mind. I'll keep saying it, our squad is good enough to challenge for the title,IF managed properly. But I fear that soon AW will revert back to type(God please I pray he doesn't). Now that players are coming back from injury, I hope he doesn't unbalance the team by trying to accommodate all the midfielders in the same side. Arsene pls leave Ozil,Wilshere and Co on the bench for now, this side looks balanced with players all playing in their natural positions.

  17. Roy

    Jan 18, 2015, 21:29 #65179

    Credit where credits due, wasn't expecting that one little bit. Don't think Kompany or Aguero were 100% but that's taking nothing away from a solid disciplined performance. They tried to put a lot through Silva and we did an excellent job in snuffing him out. I could tell Wenger meant business today when he had no coat on at kick - off ! Never too chuffed at helping the Chavs out, but that's not important in this instance as we needed a result like that so badly. Well played.

  18. Rocky RIP

    Jan 18, 2015, 21:03 #65176

    Great result. Many positive to be taken from that performance and let's pray it's a sign of things to come. It's all very well playing magnificent flowing football against the middle ranking and lesser sides (and long may it continue), but we need a different approach away from home against the big boys - that's exactly what we got. More of the same please. Good to see people giving credit where it's due. Although the people who would be on here like a shot if we'd lost seem incapable of saying anything positive, ever. The comparative number of posts after a big win in the back yard of the champions and after a dismal defeat tell its own story. Still, that won't dampen my spirits. I'm sure they'll come rolling in tomorrow with their nothing will ever do approach.

  19. JAMIE

    Jan 18, 2015, 21:01 #65175

    I still can't get over Mike Dean of all people giving us a penalty today.Has the world gone mad?

  20. Martyn

    Jan 18, 2015, 20:52 #65174

    Great performance! Cazorla, Giroud, Bellerin and Coq really impressive throughout. Up the Gunners!!

  21. Bard

    Jan 18, 2015, 20:34 #65173

    Where did that come from. Discipline, structure organisation. That wasn't the team I have been watching for the last X years. What has gone on behind the scenes. There is no way that was a Wenger performance. Anyway con gratulations to all. Maybe the we can win the CL ?????

  22. Ron

    Jan 18, 2015, 20:08 #65172

    Well done boys and well done Arsene W. Thought Badarse and Westlower would have been here by now. There was some fight and pride in that team today. Been far too long waiting to see it. Keep it up boys!

  23. Th14afc

    Jan 18, 2015, 19:38 #65171

    Finsbury is quiet today,wonder why??haha what a result!the whole team played fantastic,well done to the team and well done Mr Wenger..jeff maybe for once u can say well done to the lads??

  24. Seven Kings Gooner

    Jan 18, 2015, 19:26 #65170

    It's my birthday today and finally they played like a proper team - can't get carried away but watching MOTD tonight will round my day off perfectly.

  25. smithy

    Jan 18, 2015, 18:52 #65169

    Very impressive result- didn't expect that! Miracles can happen, maybe Diaby could make it off the treatment table also!

  26. mark from aylesbury

    Jan 18, 2015, 18:42 #65168

    Jamie - If Arsene had managed to produce pragmatic performances against top 4 teams like this over the last 5 years I think very little critical attacks would be heard. This is why 606 is alight with phone call where people are literally overjoyed by what they have seen. I don't know if it can ever sink in to you, but Wenger has entirely remodelled his tactics today. Interesting that Henry had gone off message on SKY saying prior to the match that Arsenal had gone backwards and need a cutting edge (Take note Lewis!).

  27. Cyril

    Jan 18, 2015, 18:35 #65167

    Excellent, played closer and deeper defensive line. Cazorla was outstanding and its better for players like him as he can run from deeper positions. Coquelin was like a lion. So happy. Tactically brilliant. No chest pains this evening for me!

  28. jjetplane

    Jan 18, 2015, 18:33 #65166

    JAMIE you need to stop the WOB fetish and get behind the team now. Now is the time and Wenger is making jokes on the radio and erm what about Wenger lollies ..... The narrative is they won this for Henry. So there is the new manager and all is rosy.

  29. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 18, 2015, 18:07 #65165

    jj, don't think so it'd be to obvious after all this time, even for them.

  30. Hiccup

    Jan 18, 2015, 18:00 #65164

    An improvement on last year's visit to the Etihad. I sense an AKB reunion tonight. Got my egg cozy on at the ready!

  31. JAMIE

    Jan 18, 2015, 17:57 #65163

    Altogether now wobs.'There's only one Arsene Wen....

  32. jjetplane

    Jan 18, 2015, 17:53 #65162

    Sound performance there Mister Wenger. Still a load of toss lol but over to JAMIE for some Wobbistics .... Now will we see the generals back. League as good as won and loving this egg!

  33. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 18, 2015, 15:03 #65161

    Hiccup, a great incentive indeed they're huddled around a TV as we speak (although it's not looking good) getting ready for a bit of bouncing, and the wengerites would settle for a defeat later on.

  34. Hiccup

    Jan 18, 2015, 14:37 #65159

    Bard, I don't think the league table is that bad. I would say we are on the cusp of being off the shoulder, which sounds better. If Hull can get something at West Ham today, that should allow us to focus on catching those above us instead of worrying about those just below us. What an incentive for the players to capitalise on later if West Ham drop points today.

  35. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 18, 2015, 14:31 #65158

    You genuinely are a simpleton, aren't you JAMIE? You cannot see what's going on here. You actually thought jjetplane 'understood' your 'humour' Not an ounce of wit or nuance to your thought processes. Being the focus of your tales would be a concern if you had anything to offer. Keep it coming. Expect more ridicule.

  36. Bard

    Jan 18, 2015, 13:57 #65157

    Hiccup really sorry to hear about your injuries. Reading some of the posts on here is a dangerous business. I tried Jamie's suggestion of speaking out of one side of the mouth and then the other and b***** me I managed to dislocate my jaw. Its not career ending but I will out of action verbally speaking for about 3 months. The league table looks worrying. we are still just off the shoulder of Chelsea and the other top teams ( off the shoulder now defined as out of sight) but nothing that an unbeaten run till the end of the season won't fix. Is Beliek the new Viera?

  37. JAMIE

    Jan 18, 2015, 13:04 #65156

    I love all this Gooner double standards nonsense it really cracks me up.Out of one side of the mouth it's, let's be tolerant and nice to everybody whatever that person is and then out of the other side.I hate all those rich,tourist,chinese,weirdo mongs that frequent the Emirates these days.Yeah like the same way you hate all the money and ****e that floats about yet you can't wait for Arsenal to spend loads and Usmanov to take over.As the wobs loves to say.You couldn't make it up.

  38. Hiccup

    Jan 18, 2015, 12:34 #65155

    The comedy keeps coming. Just read this bollocks from Niall Quinn that Arsenal have no leaders? What has he been drinking? You don't achieve the remarkable feat of finishing 4th without leadership on the pitch. Did he not see the home game against Stoke last week? You need leaders to see off those Neanderthals. Christ, even Wenger got out the dugout too since we were at home. I suggest Niall goes back to sitting on the fence with the rest of the pundits, and leave the diagnosis to the wob's.

  39. Hiccup

    Jan 18, 2015, 12:13 #65154

    Morning chaps. Quite remarkable, but this morning I too have joined the injury table on here. Just read Jamie's latest instalment and have cracked a couple of ribs with laughter. At this rate, we'll have to draft in some posters from Arseblog on loan.

  40. jjetplane

    Jan 18, 2015, 11:07 #65153

    Hate to disappoint you JAMIE but I was employing the lowest form of wit. You know what they say about glasshouses. Do you carry a spare dress in your ale bag? Just asking. This league and you are becoming real hard work. You're happy and that is the important thing. Finsbury Joe - naughty but nice.

  41. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 18, 2015, 9:50 #65151

    JAMIE - are you my next door neighbour? I only ask because your description of me is so unswervingly accurate. And there was me thinking that my curtain-twitching neighbour was a deviant and a Spuds fan. Oh, hang on... I'm genuinely privileged to have made it off your casting couch (ooo-er) and into what will be a cameo role. But ultimately, I'd still prefer it if you gave up on your dream of being a playwright JAMIE - you're like Wenger in his current job - simply unsuitable.

  42. Roy

    Jan 18, 2015, 1:23 #65150

    So, Benik Afobe outed to Wolves, with the fee used to buy Bielik. How many more gambles on nothing more than a hunch is this idiot going to be allowed to take ? You cant defend the indefensible. Who would be the more use to us right now ? Unless an experienced DM minded player comes in before the window closes, this decision cannot be justified. WENGER OUT.

  43. Finsbury Joe

    Jan 18, 2015, 0:59 #65149

    Pure Stoke......now now, calm down, your sister is waiting in bed for you

  44. JAMIE

    Jan 17, 2015, 23:51 #65148

    Next weeks Wobbie will be a sci-fi adventure with some well known wobs in the starring roles.Arsenenewbest stars as a cross dressing space explorer who finds himself time travelling back to the year 1985.Nothing is as he expects as he is forced to hunt down something he claims to hate.Well done jjetplane for being one of the few understanding the humour,no embarrasing roles for you in the near future.Unlucky Exeter Gunner and Alsace lots more ridiculous parts lined up for you two gits..

  45. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 17, 2015, 23:51 #65147

    Ron, when others smile, laugh, and see through TOF's bullshyte the wengerites and sheep lap it up.

  46. cyril

    Jan 17, 2015, 22:42 #65145

    Pure stoke - it's we are,as in we are the cup holders. We are also 13 time champs of England. That's what we are. However primitive we are...

  47. Pure STOKE

    Jan 17, 2015, 22:15 #65144

    OBG What a Classless delusional primitive bunch of morons you are on here, one week on and your all still living the dream, a quality win over the mighty Potters! You all must feel were're a real threat to you.

  48. Ron

    Jan 17, 2015, 21:54 #65143

    Hiccup - had to smile at Wengers bull sh i te of an explanation of why Hodgsons get together never occurred. Apparently travelling to Burton Upon Trent for players is a big travel burden on players whove got to play 48 hours later.This would be the expensively and centrally sited HQ so to suit the convenience of central, Southern and northern based players and the same B u T that's approx 110 Miles from London and 80 Miles from the North West would it not? Pathetic Bull c r a p! So glad i pay so little into this over hyped and over rated game for pampered p r i c k s.

  49. Unchives

    Jan 17, 2015, 21:05 #65142

    @ Finsbury Joe, remember 7up ****ed it up? You don't want to go there again do you? Spurs will not make 4th no matter what happens.I'm really sorry.

  50. Finsbury Joe

    Jan 17, 2015, 19:41 #65141

    Wenger hasn't given up on Diaby just yet. He probably also thinks Muhammed Ali can still be world champ

  51. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 17, 2015, 19:35 #65140

    Hiccup, doesn't he always, and how much has he/been wasted on that waste of space Diaby without success, no mention of that, you couldn't make it up, and the biggest laugh of all? the wengerites and the sheep believe him. What was it that was mentioned earlier? brainwashing and spin?

  52. Finsbury Joe

    Jan 17, 2015, 19:31 #65139

    Sadly, this young Pole faces an Arsenal career of injuries, lack of coaching, lack of tactics and lack of Champions league football. He should have stayed put or gone to Hamburg. I feel for this youngster, someone should have told him, the greed of agents.

  53. Hiccup

    Jan 17, 2015, 19:07 #65138

    Wenger talking more **** again. Says the £2m paid for Bielik will be a lot of money if he doesn't succeed? So let's get this straight. We've persisted down the years with the biggest dross fest ever, with the likes of almunia, Denilson, bendtner, chamack, Djourou, senderos and so on, and so on. This little collection were either brought through the ranks or bought cheap/free. Now let's be clear, this gaggle of sh!t certainly did not succeed. So it seems to me, that it's ok to field ****, provided it's cheap ****? Putting any crap out on the pitch is ok if we ain't paid owt for it. Just shows where wenger's priorities still lie. If Bielik is a failure, he will get at least 4 years playing time to prove this, before he is offloaded to the championship. £2m is certainly not a lot of money for a stop gap, if that's all he proves to be. For crying out loud, we paid £2m a year to bendtner in wages for god knows how many years. How does that fit in to wenger's 'cost/failure' matrix? Is there no end to all this bull****?

  54. Finsbury Joe

    Jan 17, 2015, 18:28 #65137

    For all the AKBs, the board, and manager, whose holy grail is 4th place, the table is starting to look interesting. Doubt if a Polish kid is going to improve matters either

  55. mauiresbeidge gooner

    Jan 17, 2015, 17:49 #65136

    Bard, remember he's top top quality.

  56. Bard

    Jan 17, 2015, 17:01 #65135

    Really excited about tomorrow. Just seen that our newly acquired 17 yo powerhouse Beliek is primed to go into the team tomorrow. I presume he will morph into the incredible hulk once he puts on the jersey. We have a long tradition of 17 year olds taking Manc games by the scruff of the neck, remember ….er….er. Yeah well there is always a first time. Lamb to the slaughter is an alternative.

  57. Hiccup

    Jan 17, 2015, 14:29 #65134

    That's true mg. And we'd be top of it during both the football season and the calendar year. The AKB's are the boards 12th man. They invent excuses themselves. That's why this circus can run on indefinitely. Saps, the lot of them.

  58. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 17, 2015, 13:53 #65133

    Bard, rumour has it the blue mancs have ordered in an extra couple of stretchers and pairs of crutches in readiness of Arsenal players getting injured while walking onto the pitch or tripping over themselves while on it.

  59. maguiresbridge gooners

    Jan 17, 2015, 13:43 #65132

    Hiccup, if there was a league for brainwashing and spin and fans believing it there'd be no more fourth place trophies, we'd be top of the league every season, and the wengerites and all his sheep could really celebrate.

  60. Bard

    Jan 17, 2015, 13:35 #65131

    Great fun this morning. Keep at it Jamie, have a little look at the old Janet and John books they will help you with plot and narrative. Sorry to hear of your accident JJ, I presume you will be out of action for 3 months everyone associated with Arsenal is when they are hurt. I am responding to treatment and should be back fighting fit in 3 months. Looking forward to a really tight and tense tactical battle tomorrow. Rumour has it that the boss is really going for it. Wally is pencilled in for CB and the Ox is in goal. We are going to play a 1-1-9 formation subs as always on after 75 mins regardless of the state of the game and nailed on for a couple more injuries.

  61. Hiccup

    Jan 17, 2015, 13:14 #65130

    The world's gone mad! Aston Villa fans planning a protest today. Rangers fans invading the building. No class. I prefer the Arsenal way. Just hand over your money, sit quietly and let the board and manager take you for a c#nt. Now that is class!

  62. jjetplane

    Jan 17, 2015, 12:38 #65129

    Don't listen to them JAMIE! That was better than a hundred BADDIE confessions! Keep on writing & eat your hearts out HICCUP & BARD. Chopped the top of my thumb off yesterday (call me flappy) preparing sweet poraro chips but nothing will stop me inquiring after Mikel. Nice knowing yer MATE. City this weekend hahahahahahahahahahahah .........

  63. OBG

    Jan 17, 2015, 12:34 #65128

    Heard a good joke the other day: How do you castrate an Orc (aka: stoke fan) ? Kick his mother in the jaw!

  64. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 17, 2015, 11:56 #65127

    JAMIE - I'll keep to words of one syllable my friend. That was pure p*ss. What a let down - I doubt that Tom Stoppard will be losing any sleep. Give up before it gets any more embarrassing. That effort symbolised the paucity of the AKB arguments on this site.

  65. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 17, 2015, 11:37 #65126

    We wait all this time - all the build up, all the tasters, all the hype - and JAMIE serves up this sub-Jim Davidson dirge. What a letdown.

  66. Alsace

    Jan 17, 2015, 11:02 #65125

    Many congratulations to Jamie on his first stab at writing something entertaining. I think that you will agree with me that it is almost unintelligible, but surely he must improve. Perhaps when Wenger leaves he will retire to his room, with a tiny weeny cafe au lait to be with his etchings, his thoughts, his poesy and his wall sized picture of the dear leader. Oh yes, I nearly forgot. Stoke Rugby team have given our player an upper limb injury that should dog him for a nice long time. I'm praying for a manager who will stamp, quite literally on the idea that Stoke City can bully us off the pitch. Perhaps we should buy them and strip the club for parts. Their fans continuing apologia for such behaviour stinks.

  67. JAMIE

    Jan 16, 2015, 22:53 #65123

    It's one o'clock in the afternoon and Wobbie is still fast asleep having forgot he's invited his pals round to watch the Stoke game.MUMMY:Wobbie get up you lazy bast,three of your pals are at the door wanting to watch the game with you.WOBBIE:What do they look like mummy dear.MUMMY:One has a head the size of an orange,another one is a 4 foot China man and the third has a West country accent.WOBBIE:That will be the hard core Gooners Alsace,tpm and Exeter Gunner let them in at once.MUMMY:OK Wobbie but they look a bit suspect to me.WOBBIE:Get the guys a beer mummy I'll be down in a minute.MUMMY:There is no beer Wobbie the fridge is bare of beer.Exeter Gunner:No beer!that be a sorry state master Wobbie.Alsace:Where am dat beer Wobbie.tpm:No clucking beer,no good Wobbie.WOBBIE:Don't worry guys I'll send mummy to get some in she loves to fag for me.GAME KICKS OFF.Alsace: 5 minutes man and still no goals man.Exeter Gunner:Only one up against the worst Stoke team ever,Wenger out.tpm:Without clucking Sanchez I say we be mid-table.WOBBIE:I can't stand this clueless manager and look at all those empty seats,without us real fans Arsenal are nothing.GAME FINISHES 3-0.WOBBIE:Bad result as the akb's will celebrate another win,I only celebrate defeats these days.Alsace:Tell me when de nitemares over man.tpm:Inspector clucking clueless if you ask me.Exeter Gunner:Too commercial for me everything's about cash these days master Alsace,by the way I hope we spend 100 million this transfer window and I do love that pauper Usmanov.WOBBIE:Ahh well at least we should get bumholed by City next week that will give us something to smile about.Exeter:O-R That it be.Alsace:Sounds sweet ye.tpm:Clucking magic.WOBBIE:Oh darlings you really make life worth living,without my wob pals there really is no point.THE END.

  68. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 16, 2015, 22:29 #65122

    Wow your all on form tonight, Bard, just keep typing through the pain barrier and show some spirit and mental strength and you'll be ok, Hiccup, it would be sanctioned by they're messiah and that would be different and ok, and anyway as Ron says titbits would be drip fed every so often with photos, etc, and OGL would be telling us he's nearly ready and the spin machine will have them whipped into such a frenzy they'll be chanting for him, and we'll have TOF out on the pitch doing a fergie telling us all to give him our full support, until it all goes tits up, and then guess what? OGL will ride back in on his white Stallion to save the day.

  69. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 16, 2015, 21:49 #65121

    Tony Evans, he wasn't as quick to mouth off to/at the fans when he was here and was top dog when they were chanting his name and helping pay his wages, yes a legend and always will be but at the minute just another wenger lackey who's afraid to rock the boat and say what they really think in case their ostracised from the club by OGL. But Henry is no ordinary lackey and has greater reasons than any not to rock the boat, this one has designs on the top job and it won't come as much as a surprise if/when he gets it, then he'll know what it's all about, and we'll see if he has as much to say after his first humiliation. In the meantime it will be interesting to see when he's standing in front of that machine in the Sky sports studio what he has to say about his Uncle arsene when he's trying to explain the latest beating and cock up in tactics, midfield or defence.

  70. Ron

    Jan 16, 2015, 21:39 #65120

    Hiccup - 12/1 eh. Not bad. Get some on him mate. I honestly think its a done deal. Theyve fed him to us drip drip drip, talk of his coaching badges at Arsenal, drip drip. He does a bit of TV to keep his face and celeb status. He speaks oft about the Club, backing OGL quite often drip drip. Wenger speaks glowingly of him all the time, hes seen at matches smug grinning with Pires drip drip. Once hr starts the badges the official site will explode under thr weight of photographs. Wenger will be hailing his progress and 'maturity' proclaming how coaching was always his destiny. drip drip drip. By the time we get that far, the AKB s will be salivating and hand jobbing it every time his names mentioned, they ll be ' hes the new Pep in waiting it'like Mao followers reading their red books. Gteed mate. Its bloody Henry whos as good as got that job. 'One of our own'.

  71. Bard

    Jan 16, 2015, 21:25 #65119

    Wow organisational wobble !!!! Arsenal just announced a freeze on season ticket prices for the next year. Rebellion now on the agenda, the financial juggernaut has stalled. They have just woken up to the fact that the club are no shoe in for 4th place and will have trouble bleeding the faithful. you couldn't make it up.

  72. jjetplane

    Jan 16, 2015, 20:59 #65118

    Whatabout the Bouldie masks?

  73. Hiccup

    Jan 16, 2015, 17:40 #65116

    Ron, seeing as the house statistician has gone AWOL, I've looked in to the odds of the next manager. Klopp is favourite 6/1 and some geezer called Paul Clement is 2nd fave at 8/1? Henry is 12/1 third fave. In true Westie style though, i could have misread/misinterpreted them and the corrected figures may follow at a later time.

  74. Bard

    Jan 16, 2015, 16:55 #65115

    Hiccup you have read my mind. Although I can't use my left, or was it my right hand, I have been asked to play the violin in the orchestra. I have never played a violin in my life but the conductor said it doesn't matter because the neither has he ever been a conductor. He said the other thing that might prove a handicap is that he is stone deaf. Anyway we are through to last 16 of the local talent competition. I don't think we can go further because all the other orchestras have very expensive overseas musicians and I don't think we can compete with that. funnily enough we have just hired a bloke from Sweden to play the double bass who has damaged both his arm and his hands and can't play it at all for months as well as a 5 year old trumpeter who is nailed on ( excuse the pun) to be a superstar in 15 years time. to quote dear old Jeff you couldn't make it up.

  75. FutsalGooner

    Jan 16, 2015, 16:44 #65114

    Great article!

  76. Ron

    Jan 16, 2015, 16:43 #65113

    Hiccup - they would just have a collective orgasm over the legends return mate, proclaiming he s new school and needs 'time'in true Moyes like sympathizer mode, declaring 'continuity' 'stability' ,and 'seamlessness'. All part of the Clubs time worn sustainability, they d cry. He 'knows the Club'would be the loud refrain followed by 'we got him before anybody else did'. The jubilant party would go well beyond what we saw when he scored that FAC goal v the worst Leeds team for 50 years.

  77. Hiccup

    Jan 16, 2015, 16:37 #65112

    Get better soon bard. Let's hope that 6 months doesn't deteriorate in to a Diabyfied 6 year injury. If Westie and Baddie return, you may have to write on through your injury making it worse. That's the arsenal way! Can you not use your other hand and adapt just like our full backs can play CB too?

  78. Hiccup

    Jan 16, 2015, 16:27 #65111

    Ron, interesting point about Henry taking over. I've no idea if it will happen and right now don't really care as we're stuck for at least another 2 years with the handbrake master. But I can picture the euphoria that it would generate. What would be interesting to such an appointment is the reaction of the remaining AKB's. It's funny that with all the experienced and succesful managers in the business, yet there is no living man on the planet at this monent in time that can possibly replace wenger. Who would you replace him with cry out the poor little AKB's wrapped up in cotton wool. So if Henry was to take over, not having spent one day in football management or made one substitution, you can bet your bottom dollar such excuses will go out the window.

  79. chris dee

    Jan 16, 2015, 16:24 #65110

    I was livid and upset with Shawcross,but when Tony Pullis told the press that Shawcross was a home loving boy who loves his mum my heart melted,and I realised it was Ramsey who violently threw his shin against Shawcross's boot that caused the injury.

  80. Ron

    Jan 16, 2015, 16:08 #65109

    AFC will see the Henry unveiling in 2017 as head Coach as the new Pep Guardiola. Can hear the celebratory blurb and proclamations now cant you Tony.

  81. Tony Evans

    Jan 16, 2015, 15:56 #65108

    Ron - that's about it mate, nailed on as you say. Bard - hope your injured finger doesn't keep you out of action for too long, but as you say you are in good company! Wally told me he can't wait to get back to Abou and the gang, and they are keeping his place for him in readiness for his return after the knock he is bound to get in the next game or two!

  82. Bard

    Jan 16, 2015, 15:45 #65107

    Ron yes Lewis and Jimbo are the new AKB infantry but sadly without the humour or the odds !!! I know Baddie and Westie will be following events here. Once we put a run together ( whenever that is) they will be back. Incidentally Ive managed to injure myself typing the word Arsenal and may be out of action for 6 months. i trapped a metatarsal between the f and o keys. Don't ask what I was doing, this is a family site. suffice to say that I have already had messages of sympathy from Jack, Wally, Mikel, Rambo, Abou, Gibbo, Olly, Danny,Mesut, Debuchy et al saying they know what it feels like. I have replied suggesting we have a therapy group. Most have declined saying they are worried they might fall off the chair and cause further injury. postscript I have just heard that About injured himself replying and will be out for the rest of the season.

  83. Ron

    Jan 16, 2015, 15:32 #65106

    Tony - i find Henry and annoying character per se to be honest. Up his own backside and typically arrogant, like his hero Wenger. Hes feathering his own nest by backing Wenger,ready for when the 'dream ticket' of him downstairs as Coach and Wenger upstairs. Its nailed on at that Club. Dreadful prospect. The guy couldn't even Captain the team never mind manage and Coach it. Its all slippers and Pyjamas at the Club, jobs for the boys on the cheap and flavoured heavily in French mustard.

  84. Gunner6288

    Jan 16, 2015, 15:22 #65105

    I've watched the Shawcross tackle many many times. And yet I still don't get the anger many Arsenal fans have towards it. Here's what ACTUALLY happened - Shawcross nicks the ball of another Arsenal player, and kicks it ahead of him (its now what you might call a 50-50 ball). Ramsey jumps in to make the interception, Shawcross swings his foot in a manner that seems to be an attempt to kick the ball, but at worst is a late challenge for a 50-50 ball. This happens at reasonable high speed (the whole incident takes less than 2 seconds) and unfortunately, Ramsey breaks his leg. Shawcross leaves the field in tears (presumably distressed by Ramsey's injury - I haven't seen a player break down simply because of a red card). It was unfortunate, unlucky and reckless AT WORST (I honestly think he was late trying to kick the ball). GET OVER IT. The leg break was bad luck - many of those types of challenges happen all the time.

  85. Tony Evans

    Jan 16, 2015, 15:13 #65104

    The few remaining people on this site still backing Wenger I can just about forgive because their football knowledge may not be that great but it really irks me to hear ex pro's (Henry being the latest) slating any one off that dares to call Wenger's methods in to question. As Bard said it is not rocket science to see where our problems are on the pitch, especially since they have been all too evident for more years than I care to remember. What is wrong with pointing them out and saying we should be doing better - never mind what Wenger achieved in his early years at Arsenal.

  86. maguiresbridge gooners

    Jan 16, 2015, 15:06 #65102

    Ron, Tony Evans, to name but a few, Lads and THATS exactly what we must continue to do, keep soldering on, and never give up, those who accuse us of moaning namely wengerites and all the little sheep would just love that it would be like a third place trophy to them, they'd all be on here talking gobbldegook and spreading the word of their messiah brain washing everyone(and anybody's entitled to come on here and give their opinion)but there'd be nobody left to tell it as it really is and send them on their way sharpish with a smacked arse. And why should we, we were here before this regime and clueless manager and a hell of a lot of their worshipers and we'll still be here when they're gone. Never give up keep soldering on change is coming maybe not as soon as some of us would like (like tomorrow)but it's coming.

  87. Ron

    Jan 16, 2015, 14:04 #65101

    Bard - I can see what youre up too there. Youre trying to flush Badarse and Westlower out of their retirement bunkers. Have you not seen 'Lewis' and 'Jimbo'? Theyre the new additions, just emerged from the academy at Central Command. I do wonder about the training there though.

  88. Bard

    Jan 16, 2015, 13:46 #65100

    The interesting thing about this debate is that for some all we do is moan but although I've never 'worked a day in football', i have watched more football than I care to remember and so have a huge number of posters on this site. The criticisms on here are blindingly obvious to anyone who knows anything about football. The notion that there is some complex, mysterious process going on at Arsenal that we are all too stupid to understand is farcical. I know Monreal can't play centre half, I know Sanogo for all his endeavour won't be a top striker for several years if ever. I know that Arteta despite like him as a player is too slow to play DM. I know you need a back up CB in case one of your 2 first choice ones gets injured. I know we get pushed around by more powerful sides because we are too lightweight in the middle of the park. It isn't rocket science but to suggest that those that make these comments are all moaners who don't support the club is rubbish. So far this transfer window is looking like most of the others a non event unless of course we get thrashed by City in which case expect another Ozil signing to quieten us down.

  89. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 16, 2015, 13:37 #65099

    Bard, its wenger mate, he's a fooking Jinx.

  90. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 16, 2015, 13:25 #65098

    DWT, he's probably still circling cloud cuckoo land in the Star ship enterprise receiving electrode treatment (counting all the money wasted on him) like Ozil must have had if he thinks we can still win the league, Only Diaby has had them attached for so long he probably thinks we can do the treble and he'll score the winner.

  91. silent_london

    Jan 16, 2015, 12:48 #65097

    I agree HGooner, it is a very good article and reads very well.

  92. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 16, 2015, 12:47 #65096

    Bard, a conspiracy for sure no doubt about it, another one of those meeting between FIFA, PL, LMA, grass growers Association, Ball Boys, Tea Lady's, Lady Boys, all chaired by the Referees Association took place the other night to come up with new ideas to keep making sure Arsenal get injuries.

  93. HGooner

    Jan 16, 2015, 12:37 #65095

    I found this a great read as the author has raised some interesting points! Well done.

  94. Tony Evans

    Jan 16, 2015, 12:25 #65094

    Hi Ron - so true mate. Great shame but that's where we are at the moment and I can't see much changing anytime soon. My best mate (same Arsenal vintage as me) has given up completely and I can't say I blame him. I soldier on but with nothing like the intensity I used to feel. Results (win, lose or draw) don't get much of a reaction from me now and I haven't been to match for quite a while. I reckon you've got it about right going to the odd away game now and again.

  95. Ron

    Jan 16, 2015, 12:14 #65093

    Hi Tony - Lets face it mate, despite its trappings and its image the Clubs become a joke in footballing terms. Theres really little left to say or debate over. If not for the ludicrous few on here who still post supporting this regime giving us the unbridled mirth of reading and dismantling their offerings, the site would be deserted.

  96. Tony Evans

    Jan 16, 2015, 10:44 #65092

    John F - The balance of the team is all wrong, with Wenger packing the midfield with too similar players and relying on his questionable notion that you can play anyone virtually anywhere and not effect their game. As you say there is just not room for them all and yet we are crying out for a quality CB, DM and GK and have been for many a year now. I remember Vladimir Petrovich because he was a player that could excite the crowd and he did score with a fantastic free kick if my memory serves me well. Was probably a player before his time in the hurly burly of early 1980s football and just did not have the physique to stand up to the likes of players like Graham Souness that went unchecked back then.

  97. John F

    Jan 16, 2015, 10:22 #65091

    I think Wenger feels that if he signs a player we need it will block the progress of players coming through ie coquelin and Hayden.Unfortunately our main players leave, fed up with waiting for progress and so it goes on.He also has a problem with the team being overloaded with attacking central midfielders, some returning from injuries.If he signs a defensive midfielder that we need that subs bench is going to look overcrowded.Discontentment amongst the benched players and the ones being played out of position could affect the much lauded team spirit he loves to mention.It is good to have a strong bench but a bit more balance is needed.The bench if fit could very soon contain a combination of Ozil,Walcott,CaZorla.Rosicky,The Ox,Flamini.Wilshire,Welbeck,and maybe Diaby all players who want to play in the central position.Add to that campbell,Chambers and a goalie they are going to have to play musical chairs just to get a seat.On a seperate note does any one recall petrovic the yugoslav captain we once signed if I remember he could take a great free kick.

  98. Tony Evans

    Jan 16, 2015, 9:14 #65089

    Bard - yes the obvious lack of forward planning is incredible. Just once wouldn't it be great to see Arsenal move for a player or two early in a transfer window, having clearly identified what was required, and got their business done and dusted in a straightforward professional manner. Of course the other quite believable possibility is that our deluded manager just doesn't see it; and it is nothing to do with a lack of forward planning, just plain old Wenger in cloud cuckoo land as usual.

  99. Roy

    Jan 16, 2015, 9:13 #65088

    17 years old and 6 apps for Legia Warsaw. Well that's the decent future prospect taken care of then. What price he ends up in the first team before the seasons out due to this managers total, well, mismanagement ? After all, it wouldn't be like us to plunge a youngster into lots more games than he should really be expected to play because of lack of squad depth and a joke of an injury record, now would it ?

  100. Bard

    Jan 16, 2015, 8:44 #65087

    Tony Evans; Aboslutely. The thing is Tony any organisation worth its salt does forward planning. One would have thought that Arsenal would have had several options already identified and ready to go. If there is one its largely a mystery to me. I am not stupid enough to believe its plain sailing but they surely know who wants to come and how much they want. The other theory that doesnt bear thinking about is that its a random process. It certainly looks that way to me right now. I suspect he think he can get away with no new right back ( Bellerin/Chambers) but he needs another CB and DM as a minimum. Given that it take Arsenal 2 or more weeks to sign a tea lady on 10 bob a week you wouldn't bet your wages that on anyone significant coming in more last minute stopgaps

  101. Tony Evans

    Jan 16, 2015, 8:27 #65086

    DW Thomas - totally agree. I see this morning we on the brink of signing a 17 year old after playing silly buggers with what was a peanut fee anyway. Also read that Wenger may now be 'forced' in to the transfer market because of the injuries to Arteta and Debuchy. Forced? As usual it looks like, despite everything, he had no intention of signing the CB or DM we are crying out for, and even now I bet we end up with no decent acquisitions. It doesn't even surprise me anymore and my desperation to see the back of this clown knows no bounds.

  102. Bard

    Jan 16, 2015, 7:44 #65085

    DW there are two parallel processes going on, the team and what it needs playerwise and Wenger's perceptions. They are two very different things. We are decimated defensively but so far have spent half the transfer window trying to sign a 17 year old midfielder and in true Arsenal style taking forever about it. Its not quite a 'Kallstrom' but close. I have wondered whether players are reluctant to come to us because playing for us is a serious health hazard. Poor old Debuchy must be pining for his happy days at Newcastle. When was the last player to have a dislocated shoulder and a broken ankle in the same season.

  103. Ron

    Jan 16, 2015, 7:43 #65084

    Hiccup - medicals are vital mate. No medicals and we could end up signing some body with a busted back and what top Club would do that? They d look silly wouldn't they, especially if it was say, a January signing and he ended up never playing that season? Im so glad our Clubs thoroughness and professionalism wouldn't ever allow that to happen ..... oh hang on........oh, where is Diaby when we need him? ....

  104. cyril

    Jan 16, 2015, 1:51 #65083

    what about Eduardo - they handed him his shin on a plate!It's disgusting, he gets shipped. What the fuc* has diaby done for my club accept 2-0 away to the scousers. Painful..

  105. DW Thomas

    Jan 16, 2015, 1:00 #65082

    Now our captain is out for most of the rest of the season! By the way, where is Diaby? The City game another test for us. I predict a failure, but then again, we are nothing if not inconsistent and good for at least a couple surprising wins a season. Too bad we also get plenty of surprising losses. OGL and his giant ego are spouting off again about needing 1-2 players? That was before Arteta and Debuchey, wasn't it? Now we need at least 3-4! Debucheys first season and two surgeries? What a laughing stock this club is with injuries! Want a season of recuperation? Want a manager who will allow any kind of performance good or bad with no consequence? Well then, sign for the Gunners!

  106. goonerbadger

    Jan 16, 2015, 0:58 #65081

    It doesn't matter who you support, as a supporter of any club, however much you dislike other teams, there is normally something you can find good to say about other clubs in some way (ok, except Spuds), their history, their standing in football, their support, etc,, but where Stoke are concerned ther is absolutely nothing to like or say good about them. Their Neanderthal fans, the club, their players, their various managers, the club is rotten to the core. Their style of play is nothing more, even to this day, let alone a few years ago, than just a bunch of thugs, and they actually revel in it. Pullis was a complete idiot at the time if the Ramsey incident. Nowadays they play in the style of their ex thug manager, Hughes. The sooner they get relegated the better.

  107. whitesleeves

    Jan 15, 2015, 23:37 #65080

    I don't look for the stoke fixture in august at all, they are a non entity and will be relegated in a few years time. I'm more annoyed that wenger can't put a team out at Stoke that can win. Although they **** themselves every time they come to our place, not that the media ever mention that. Shawcross and his club and their fans? Just a bunch of Orcs

  108. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 15, 2015, 22:49 #65079

    jw, Also good points ref the LC and FAC, rather than be content to just win and beat Maureen his ego got the better of him and he had to try and do it with a weaker side what a boost for his ego it would have been and what a hero he would have been if it had come off, and as they say the rest is history and are we any further on.

  109. Hiccup

    Jan 15, 2015, 22:18 #65078

    mg, patience my friend. The transfer window has only just opened. There is plenty of time for wenger to address our problems. As I write, I hear the answer to our problems is having a medical tomorrow. To be honest, what use a medical is I don't know, as we still seem to go ahead even if the player only has one leg? I've been on you tube and found some exciting snippets of this guy. Looks the real deal and he's only on ten a day, so should be fitter than half the squad, although probably not as agile as our rhino at the back. He's going straight out on loan to Chesterfield so will come back the real deal, ready for our assault on the top 3,4,5 next season. Once again, I feel it's another case of egg soldiers and reversing cars for the wobs!

  110. Roy

    Jan 15, 2015, 22:11 #65077

    Wenger masks ? Top selling merchandise ?? Wake me up when it's all over.

  111. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 15, 2015, 21:48 #65076

    jw, indeed there's nothing like an article to divert attention (or try to) from the real problem/problems at our club, intentional or not, it seemed to be working with the last shawcross ramblings from Simon Rose but it was good to see it wasn't allowed to happen even though we had an invasion from stokies. And here we are again another one about shawcross (and the stokies are back), coincidence i'm sure, especially as there's only two weeks or so of the transfer window remaining and still none of our more pressing and major problems have been addressed, and not a peep from the fans, OGL's spin department must be loving it. All we need now is another instalment from Simon Rose. Well nothings changed we still have one major issue at our club and nothing will until this old has been of a manager we have does us all a favour and shuffles off somewhere else.

  112. Bard

    Jan 15, 2015, 21:36 #65075

    Do we have the record for injured players and can we get a trophy? Correct me if Im wrong but so far we have Rambo 3 months plus Jack ditto +, Giroud ditto Ozil ditto Arteta ditto Debuchy total 6 months ( how the boy must regret signing for us) Diaby a lifetime, Sanogo mostly, Gnarby the season and counting, Flamster intermittently, Wally a year +. It's just bad luck or its a conspiracy ???

  113. JAMIE

    Jan 15, 2015, 20:38 #65074

    I wandered into the armoury just before the Stoke game and noticed that the Wenger masks were the top selling merchandise just ahead of the Sanchez home shirt.Also I love these silly 'Stoke' articles as it does stop the usual suspects just grumbling on about Wenger.Maybe one day we'll beat someone to keep Stoke up or they beat someone for us and we can all be friends.Yet I suspect like the Wenger articles this will just run on and on.

  114. mickrick

    Jan 15, 2015, 19:28 #65073

    The author should at least get the facts right. Stories didn't boo Ramsey just the other gooner knobs like Campbell who was going nuts trying to get shawcross sent off instead of looking after their team mate. Who was the one who looked after ramsey. Can you numpties remember? I'll give you a clue. It wasn't an Arse player. Oh and peter storey was one he'll of a dirty bastard along with many arse players over the years. Keown viera to name a few.

  115. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 15, 2015, 18:51 #65072

    Hiccup, good post, poor Glen Cockerill

  116. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 15, 2015, 18:32 #65070

    JAMIE, good point, they have them to then.

  117. jeff wright

    Jan 15, 2015, 18:20 #65068

    Personally I believe that this Stoke thing and other ruses, such as other clubs spend more money, are just being used to try and divert attention away from the fact that under Wenger's tenure Chelsea have nicked our top London side status in the game. Wenger's failed dismally against Mourinho having never won a game against him. Wenger has only managed to finish above Chelsea in the league once since the move from Highbury and that was when AVB was in charge at the bridge for half a season before Di Matteo took over .DI Matteo did however win the European Cup that season ,whereas Wenger won nothing. Wenger finished third in the league though so it was job done as far as Stan was concerned.This deplorable surrender to Chelsea by Wenger is a managerial thing and not just about money as some try to claim.It's about poor signings,especially GK's, Wenger's grim stubbornness is another thing and his stupid policies that he has pursued such as the ill-fated Youth project .This most certainly cost him a good chance to beat Maureen in the League Cup final in Cardiff when everything was in Wenger's favour to do so. Also as was the case in a FAC cup semi at Wembley when he again deliberately put out a weaker side against Mourinho's first one than he needed to do because he wanted to see if the youth policy players had progressed since their defeat in Cardiff to Chelsea . The answer as many of us already knew was no they had not. You couldnt make it up. That's your Arsene Wenger though Monsieur Clueless living in a parallel world to other managers and supported in this by some of the most deluded group of supporters in football history . And by a major shareholder only interested in making money from his investment . A sure-fire recipe this for 4th place and a FAC win every ten years - if we are lucky. The yawn inducing repetitive Ramsey and Shawcross incident being constantly regurgitated is of more concern to these deluded AKB's than Wenger's obvious inability to take on Mourinho over the course of a season and in head to heads is .So why don't we see any articles about this then instead of old boring Stoke are Neanderthals playing in a cess-pit that poor Arsene can hardly be expected to win at .In reality he cowers in the dugout instead of standing on the touchline to try and inspire his little technicians to stand up to the bully boys. Wenger doesent win any medals of honour at places like Stoke that's for sure. His record against all the top sides in head to heads is however also crappy and it is the worst one of any top manager in the league . Again this is not down to money issues but to his own managerial ones , not least his inability to think on his feet during games and to try to change things around when things go wrong. Instead of doing so he prefers to abuse the hapless 4th official. Wenger's only win over Chelsea in recent times was at the bridge when the young and inept AVB went gung-ho against us and even then Wenger got lucky when the ref allowed Chesnay to stay on after one of his panic attack beserk kamikaze charges out of goal ended in a GBH on Cashley. Wenger beat Chelsea when AVB was in charge but not when Mourinho is or Di Matteo either,because in the home game later with him in charge the game was a 0-0 draw. Says it all really.

  118. ID

    Jan 15, 2015, 17:51 #65065

    Grow up and get a life do you still hold a grudge for your last bad meal? No player goes out to hurt another and unless you have absolute proof get a grip of you pathetic self.

  119. Dartford gooner

    Jan 15, 2015, 17:46 #65064

    So nice to see that the Stoke fans got home in the end. No trains back to Stoke? with the poor support they had at the game a couple of mini buses would have done.Well done danthepotter at least one of your fans talk sense. Its time to drop the whole thing

  120. Hiccup

    Jan 15, 2015, 16:59 #65063

    Jesus wept! Look, at the end of the season, if Spurs finish above us, we can use Stoke as our yardstick and rejoice in finishing sbove them. We'll make friends with them one day. We get on okay with Southampton these days after Glen Cocketill had his face smashed in. We're even big buddies with United these days even after Wrighty slid in to Schmeical like a maniac. Arsenal have always been full of saints and have always been on the receiving end. And I'm sure all those condoning Shawcross were up in arms with Davis and Wrighty too? Like bollocks they were.

  121. Smithy

    Jan 15, 2015, 16:19 #65061

    Two more players to add to the long term injury list.will we get quality replacements- nope. We will probably sign David hillier as cover for arteta and stepanov for debuchy. Anyone old , ancient or unknown. Not having a major go at hillier as he always tried his hardest and couldn't be faulted for effort but just not good enough. Igor was just plain awful!

  122. Martyn

    Jan 15, 2015, 15:58 #65059

    Still remember that Peter Storey penalty against Banks in the semi-final. Real bottle from a genuine hard player. Great days!

  123. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 15, 2015, 15:57 #65058

    There is no animosity between us and Sunderland (because of that awful challenge on Diaby), nor Birmingham City (when Taylor's tackle on Eduardo was arguably as shocking as Shawcross's). Why? Because neither the managers of those two teams, nor their fans chose to rub Arsenal's face in the dirt by denying they were bad tackles or that the victim was somehow to blame. So in those two cases we have all largely moved on. But it is the Poolis/Hughes legacy that infects Stoke, along with Shawcross's attitude since the assault and their fans that have maintained anger levels. And it doesn't help when the idiots from the press and telly keep crapping on about it before every game. Sunday allowed Arsenal to claim an actual and a moral victory and let the players atone for their shocking display at Stoke a few weeks earlier. Would be good to let it lie after that but it isn't going to I suspect. Let's hope we soon end up playing in different divisions again....

  124. Bard

    Jan 15, 2015, 15:50 #65057

    Avenell, really funny, but I agree its history lets move on. Fascinated that the Orcs find the time to troll other sites, must be a full time job. Do they have highspeed broadband and colour TV up there.

  125. JAMIE

    Jan 15, 2015, 15:10 #65055

    If you look carefully at the picture above it is not bitter Ork like neanderthal stokies giving it to Wenger but stoke tourists having a laugh.

  126. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 15, 2015, 14:48 #65053

    I think the only reason both sets of fans look for this fixture at the start of the season is to see when OGL and his boys are going to bottle it away from home especially, the stoke fans taking the piss in they're wenger masks says it all.

  127. Steve

    Jan 15, 2015, 14:43 #65051

    The 67th minute thing - pure apocrypha. I've been to every game before and since this does not happen. As regards the rest of the piece clearly both sets of fans need to move on but you know they won't as long as history is brought up. Maybe we should simply cancel the games - allocate 3 points to each team and get on with the rest of the games.

  128. jjetplane

    Jan 15, 2015, 14:37 #65049

    Shawcross will be there for player of the season at wonderful Stoke, as will Jenks and Song at West Ham, Podolski at Inter, RVP at Mankyland and Fabregas at the PL runner ups. Saints will be third so a toss up between any of the above and I must not mention Kane (damn!) with Swansea and Hammers to cause more upsets and Ozil to get injured again and Sanchez to get injured and get player of the year which he could have picked up when he signed up. Lastly - when was the last time Wenger got manager of the month? Arteta and Debuchy out for 3 months so no more Mikel ..... this is so boringggggggg...... JAMIE do you like snails? I love them. Frog's legs are nice too. Better than that KFC **** you eat up in your room!

  129. Avenell Road

    Jan 15, 2015, 14:36 #65048

    Well done Reece, you've succeeded in luring a load of Stoke Neanderthals back onto our wholesome website. Neanderthals - for the record do you always keep an eye out for the Online Gooner for any faint whiff of a Stoke-related conversation? If the technology has reached that far north yet perhaps you would consider creating your own fans' site?

  130. Charles

    Jan 15, 2015, 14:33 #65047

    Boring. Stop going on and on about bloody Shawcross & Stoke.

  131. Terry O'Neill

    Jan 15, 2015, 14:25 #65045

    I imagine that if I lived in that god-awful cesspit of a Town I should think I would want to hit out at the world's 'haves' too. It all comes down to social circumstances and envy.

  132. Pure STOKE

    Jan 15, 2015, 14:21 #65044

    Well Reece you have shown us again what real dumb wits arsenal supporters must be with this blog, is it a ridiculous way to try and gain exposure for this site, is it an attempt to divert from the view that your team is not good enough for Europe and your usual 4th place in the Prem this year? Having already gone over this ground twice this year you really do have to accept these facts. 1. Ramsey did unfortunatley break his leg yes Shawcross was the other party involved, do I think Shawcross went out of his way to do it no. Was it an accident? yes. 2. Has Ramsey got back to his potential playing for his Club National side and in Europe yes. 3. Was there rivalry in the 70s yes Were stoke supporters booing all the Arsenal side when they had possession before the incident to create a "bear pit" atmosphere under pulis yes. 4.Is time after 5 years to move on yes. 5. Did both Teams play well at home this year and out class there apponents yes 6. Did we both get 3 points each with shared honours yes. 7. Are Arsenal in a better position than stoke yes 8. this article is **** now move on!

  133. AMG

    Jan 15, 2015, 14:09 #65040

    Adam, you can't deduce my agenda from the name AMG? My agenda specifically related to this article is this - Ramsey has since managed to get back to his best, last season surpassing anything he had achieved previously; professionally, psychologically and physically he has recovered and moved on, I suggest Arsenal and Stoke fans do the same. The boring rancour over Stoke and Shawcross is exactly that - there are bigger issues at the club and on the whole, life's too short!

  134. Terry O'Neill

    Jan 15, 2015, 14:06 #65039

    You know how it came to this. Quite simply the Stoke fans and officials behaved like neanderthals at the time with a total absence of compassion or contrition and continue you do so in the most undignified way. They should be ashamed of themselves and do the decent thing, but that won't happen so this will continue.

  135. Johnny Come Lately

    Jan 15, 2015, 13:32 #65036

    Whoever thinks this Stoke rivalry started with Shawcross doesn't know Football. We hate them because they are our local rivals. P.S. - whereabouts is their ground in Stoke Newington, I moved to North London five years ago and I still can't find it!

  136. Adam

    Jan 15, 2015, 13:24 #65034

    Very good article, totally agree with what is written. AMG, i'm not sure of your agenda, but i don't like it and think the fact that you are sticking up for Shawcross shows that your loyalties lie elsewhere.

  137. Peter Wain

    Jan 15, 2015, 13:15 #65032

    The 1970 game was a fair result they have nothing to complain about - well beaten in the replay. The two goals they scored one was a total fluke and the other a back pass. The next year they lost the replay because of a penalty given by the officials. Stoke played us in 1970 after this game and one of their players did his best to injury Storey our talented mid field play maker.

  138. CJ

    Jan 15, 2015, 13:15 #65031

    What a tool? Try to actually watch the incident and see that Ramsey's leg was already displaced, no man is allowed to make a mistake in life?? just the typical boring Arsenal drivel..Yawn

  139. Tim Trentham

    Jan 15, 2015, 12:52 #65030

    What an utter load of rubbish again, YAWN YAWN!

  140. Ron

    Jan 15, 2015, 12:46 #65027

    Wasn't this debated last week? It was bad stuff and a poor advert for PL football but to be honest im not sure there is much of a real rivalry between the Clubs. Its been over hyped. I recall a really bad leg smash at OT in the pre PL days when a lad named David Buust had hi sleg shattered and his career ended by a Utd player. Coventry and Utd never had all this antipathy. Its the media and Sky who prompted and sustain even today most of this AFC and Stoke stuff. Stoke as a Club are OK and do actually do very well.

  141. O dear

    Jan 15, 2015, 12:43 #65026

    The only reason Stoke fans react to Arsenal is because it seems to get under Wenger and your teams skins, this in turn affects your performance at Stoke. Please keep raking up the past, twisting it all into a pantomime where Shawcross is the villain intent on deliberately injuring fellow professionals and writing such pointless articles. This always puts much needed fire into the Stoke crowd and gives us the edge. Thank You

  142. Danthepotter

    Jan 15, 2015, 12:38 #65025

    Firstly I do respect your opinion, doesn't mean I agree with you, but I can see where you are coming from. I think the whole thing should have been buried long ago and "some" Stoke fans and "some" Arsenal fans like the rivalry to carry one. Ryan didn't mean to injure Ramsay, I am sure you believe that, he did go in hard though and it was reckless. After the event Ryan did try to apologise to Ramsay to which Ramsay refused to accept this, I too can understand this, albeit I do find it odd one sportsman to another. The situation deteriorated when Wenger accused Stoke of being a Rugby team and that's when Pulis's siege mentality began. Really and to be honest, the injury has had far worse consequences for Arsenal on the pitch than Stoke. All that said I don't hold a grudge, I saw it for what it was, and for the record I have never booed Ramsay, nor I ever would, and that goes for all (well most) the supporters around me. I don't think the whole Chris Coleman and Wales thing helped either club, Coleman coming out in the media and saying he wanted Shawcross to play for Wales but wanted Ramsays (who was captain) advice, Ryan took the hump and got his two penneth in first and told him to stick it. Finally Ryans disciplinary record is pretty good for a CH, now if you said Charlie Adam was dirty, fair enough, if you said Rob Huth was dirty, ok. But I guess I will never persuade you that Ryan "is not that sort of player"

  143. A11M11

    Jan 15, 2015, 12:28 #65023

    Quote :- What fans boo a player who’s just snapped his leg?"" More accurate , What fans boo a player that just had his leg snapped ? until people start to report the cause and effect of these things opinion will never change. It is a small distinction but a real one. Last week Debuchy's injury was reported as " Crashed into the advertising hoardings against Stoke and dislocated his shoulder, unknown when he will be back. How about adding the part about the push that caused it ? More perspective needs to be put into the reporting of incidents otherwise the truth gets hidden and then forgotten.

  144. Andrew

    Jan 15, 2015, 12:25 #65022

    Don't forget that Shawcross was in possesion of the ball and was stretching for it as it went a little far in front of him when Ramsey flew in like a train and put himself in front of Shawcross's already started manouvre. The best advice is not to listen to the stereotypical banter and watch the whole of the incident yourself. Then you will see what actually happened.

  145. JJB

    Jan 15, 2015, 12:25 #65021

    I agree with this author whole heartedly. I for once find it disgusting that Stoke fans still boo Ramsey! I mean WTF is that about FFS? It’s disgusting! And I hate how its portrayed that is beauty vs. the beast with us and them in the media, as if we dislike them because they have had success against us at home! Well Bolton used to be our bogey team and I don’t recall anywhere near the same level of vitriol and animosity, and that’s because they didn’t break one of our players legs and then acted as if they are the victim! I heard last season, a stoke fanzine editor (I think) on the Bergkamp podcast (I could be wrong) and he was invited on after they decided to publish an horrific cover on their fanzine (ALL BEST ARE OFF) because Ramsey decided to celebrate when he scored against them!! He had no remorse for this and accused us of not having a sense of humour and that it was only banter? I was disappointed with the easy ride he got from the host, who I thought was pretty poor in the interview and let him get away with trying to absolve him and their fans. They are a horrible lot, no class at all! Im not saying we are not guilty as a group of fans of being inappropriate and no football fan can take moral high ground, but this business with Ramsey is a different level, it’s shameful and its wrong and It needs to stop, but no one at the Potters seems interested in doing anything about it…

  146. AMG

    Jan 15, 2015, 12:19 #65020

    Reece, I'm not really sure of the point of this article, raking over old ground and stoking up discord which doesn't exist. Shawcross used to be an aggressive young player known for his over-the-top challenges, but I think he calmed his game down a lot after breaking Aaron's leg - An incident like that would affect any of us. I agree that Stoke fans booing Ramsey is disgusting, but really you need to get over it. Stoke are an average team not even worth worrying about, that Wenger can't handle their confrontational style says more about him that it does about Stoke.