Will Arsene Wenger seize the moment?

Opportunity Knocks for Le Boss



Will Arsene Wenger seize the moment?


Much to the dismay and anguish of my better half I have watched the City game twice more since Sunday. My reaction is the same with every viewing; where the hell did that come from? The kamikaze rabble I’ve been watching all season morphed into a proper football side seemingly overnight. We looked well set up, we had players playing in their proper positions, we looked tight defensively, we looked like we had a proper game plan. The last time I thought we looked that solid was when Stroller was our manager.

The transformation begs a lot of questions not least why we haven’t performed like that for years, but that inquisition is for another post. What intrigues me is the effect it might have had on the players not selected and the shape of the side in the future. The fall out from the result could be seismic.

While Coquelin’s majestic performance may well kick start his career he may have ended the careers of Arteta and Flamini, if not they will surely be no more than bit players in the future. Cazorla’s man of the match performance settles the debate about who plays in the centre of midfield. I have never seen Ozil put in a performance like that - he is now a back up and is in effect playing second fiddle. And dear old Jack, a player of fantastic potential but having a career much like Diaby’s. Where would we accommodate him or do we need to move him on?

Monreal has ousted Gibbs and with his appalling fitness record - an ambitious manager might want to move him on as well and buy a ‘worldy’ at left back. The Ox while raw in many respects put in a terrific shift. While Wally has his moments he is inconsistent, can also be a passenger and a liability at worst. For me the Ox is more reliable and better defensively. Wally for the bench! Welbeck, Giroud and Sanchez up front look reasonably formidable.

By luck or judgment Wenger has found a tactical blueprint for many of the big games and the personnel to implement it. Moreover if he can ruthlessly prune the deadwood and get rid of the perennially injured, buy astutely (a new left back, a centre back and another defensive midfielder would be a start) we might have the makings of a side that can properly compete. You never know his career might end in a flourish rather than a whimper but he needs to grasp the opportunity.


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  1. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 27, 2015, 14:57 #65736

    Rocky, not true. Plenty of arch WOBs commended the City performance. Plenty of AKBs then moaned they didn't give enough credit to Wenger for it. Then Wenger himself told us it came from the players. It is the AKBs who conflate positivity and pro-Wengerism.

  2. Ron

    Jan 26, 2015, 21:00 #65694

    Good old Badarse, Yr struggling but hanging painfully in there at least.

  3. Rocky RIP

    Jan 26, 2015, 19:47 #65690

    Exeter - I take your point mate, plenty have thrown in the towel with Wenger and I totally understand why. My point is, and you just said it - if you say anything positive it means you're automatically pro-Wenger. Whatever the subject it would seem.

  4. Captan Frank

    Jan 26, 2015, 19:37 #65688

    Hey Brian - You'll be telling us you haven't posted under the name Ben Casey either. Ooops... am I the only one who knows about that pseudonym and wasn't supposed to let on? Seriously, it's good to have you back Badarse, but you don't need to hide behind alter-egos. We have enough of them on here as it is.

  5. Brian

    Jan 26, 2015, 19:27 #65685

    Just seen the posts, very odd. My name is Brian and I am not an alcoholic. Wenger seems to have performed well with the Paulista transfer.

  6. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 26, 2015, 17:53 #65676

    Rocky, the thing is, a lot of people are just done with Wenger, and there's no real way back from that. Once you've opened Pandora's box and all that. So the joy at results like Man City are tempered because we know - we know - that won't lead anywhere. But as you'll know, most of us have been into AFC since childhood so 'opting out' isn't really an option. Online Gooner provides a haven for letting off steam about the circles Wenger has us endlessly paddling in. There are many, many AFC sites for people wanting to be 'positive' (i.e. pro-Wenger) so the demands that folk be more 'positive' and 'upbeat' (i.e. pro-Wenger) are already catered for and terminally dull.

  7. Rocky RIP (moaning again)

    Jan 26, 2015, 17:02 #65669

    Fair enough fellas, I grasp the irony of me moaning about people moaning. It was just to point out that some on here have a positive/negative comments ratio (as a percentage) of about 2/98. Beat Man City away? Little of any good to say. It's pretty exhausting waiting for them to say something good about Arsenal. If someone moans with a bit of flair and originality and says what others are thinking I actually quite enjoy it. Although if following Arsenal made me that miserable I'd give up and take up talking about the weather in Manchester or taxes instead.

  8. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 26, 2015, 14:39 #65657

    jj, and/or shoulder to shoulder.

  9. jjetplane

    Jan 26, 2015, 13:34 #65649

    Brianarse will be dancing on that table with Rocky the moaner soon enough. Over to you WESTIE lol!

  10. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 26, 2015, 13:34 #65648

    All we need now is Dougal.

  11. jeff wright

    Jan 26, 2015, 13:19 #65647

    Is it a life of Brian on here now , well there is a touch of the old Monty Python's about Brain's posts .You couldn't make it up.

  12. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 26, 2015, 13:12 #65646

    @Cornish, Brian's immediate, gushing praise of Westlower.. the schoolmasterly talk of 'learning'... the belief that those who don't agree with him must be 'led' by others... Badarse, it didn't take long to unmask you!

  13. Ron

    Jan 26, 2015, 13:07 #65645

    Good old Badarse - Couldn't keep away then? 'Brian'? Whens the first sermon? You've loosened with a few little homilies, surely the first sermon is soon up? PS the last time you changed yr handle you never lasted more than 2 posts, so haven't you done well this time! Guys, the arse is back!

  14. A Cornish Gooner

    Jan 26, 2015, 12:55 #65644

    @Brian. Is that you Badarse?

  15. John F

    Jan 26, 2015, 12:26 #65636

    Rocky the tea ladies are not as good as they used to be and I blame Wenger for this.

  16. Brian

    Jan 26, 2015, 12:26 #65635

    Thank you Mr.westlower, your interpretation of my name is either a misspelling or intentional, perhaps it is a piece of happenstance, it is warmly accepted. I have familiarised myself with previous posts and am prepared. Happy hunting.

  17. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 26, 2015, 12:24 #65634

    Rocky RIP, what you're doing there is meta-moaning. Moaning about the moaners. That's not particularly 'positive' either. If you believe in constructive criticism why don't you channel your energy into that, rather than moaning about the moaners? Surely the oft proven correct 'doom mongers' cannot be what concerns you most about AFC, as it seems to be for others who proclaim themselves 'positive' fans?

  18. Ron

    Jan 26, 2015, 12:01 #65632

    Hi Westie - i think all of these so called top clubs take the Capital Cup with a pinch of salt mate. They go at it half hearted in the early rounds, even when the field a so called full team and only when they somehow find themselves in the quarters and semis do they get serious about it. For Chelsea, theyre there now. The Cap Cup is their domestic Cup priority, the FAC isnt of an any consequence whatever they say publicly about challenging for 4 trophies. The body language of their players and City was a give away. Very uncaring and complacent i thought.

  19. Rocky RIP

    Jan 26, 2015, 11:55 #65631

    Brian - as a newcomer, it might be worth pointing out to you that any article that gets posted on here will inevitably descend into an argument about Wenger. No matter how unrelated. If somebody submits a charming article about the evolving history of Arsenal's tea ladies (1913-2015), it won't take long before we hear the usual arguments for/against Wenger. It's also worth noting that whatever happens, certain people will never be able to say anything positive about the club they support. Picking holes in a football team or its performances is the easiest thing in the world to do, because football is never perfect. If Arsenal had the best team in the land with the best player in the world, the negative moaners would just highlight how this player will be off in the Summer. Positive posters (imagine it, saying something supportive of your team/club) tend to get bullied out of it, or realise it's all just one negative energy field on here and clear off. Constructive criticism is needed and we must all demand high standards of our club. I refuse to pretend things are rosy at Arsenal if they clearly are not, but to some, it's never going to be good enough whatever happens. So just to warn you. It could grind you down if you let it.

  20. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 26, 2015, 10:40 #65630

    Brian, if you read back you'll find that Westlower does not believe the manager of the football club should not be held at all responsible or accountable when things go wrong - 'unconditional support' for the most powerful employee at the club. He does however believe in giving him the credit when things go right. You'll also come across some of his wild flights of fancy when it comes to excuse making. If you still believe he has the 'firmest grasp of reality' after that, then we'll know where you're coming from.

  21. Westlower

    Jan 26, 2015, 10:34 #65629

    @Brain, Thanks for your support but you'll quickly learn than any positive mentions of the Arsenal manager will activate the Anti-Arsenal brigade into a tirade of abuse towards the poster. You'll need a thick skin but I'm sure you'll enjoy the bumpy ride. PS. If you want to earn an easy brownie point from the angry mob just sing the praises of Maureen, but be sure to ignore his 5 goal trashing at the Lane & 4 goal humiliation to a lower league team.

  22. Ghost Of Highbury

    Jan 26, 2015, 10:22 #65627

    Thanks for the reading material - but essentially you are advocating selling Gibbs, Wilshere and Walcott. Also you seem to want to sell Ozil. You're insane. We should be buying players where we need them not selling everyone.

  23. David

    Jan 26, 2015, 10:13 #65626

    Dear Brian - firm grasp of reality? It's one thing to not like Mourinho (I don't especially), but to let that cloud your judgement about his abilities is a mistake. AW hasn't had a firm grasp of reality for a long time - gambling on the same numbers every time. He's doing alright - but it's nothing compared to what he did, or what the club should be achieving. Westlower has a degree of loyalty to AW that, to many others, doesn't make sense.

  24. Bard

    Jan 26, 2015, 10:00 #65625

    Brian, Welcome to the madhatters tea party. I for one am looking forward to some coherent status quo posts rather than the usual diatribes in support of Wenger. Familiarise yourself with some of the past stuff, much of it is good and you wont find yourself posting stuff that been done to death. However if you find comfort in Westie posts you could be in for a rough ride, good luck mate.

  25. Brian

    Jan 26, 2015, 9:39 #65624

    As this seems to be a 'support' site-as with David's interpretation of Ron's post-I would say as I am a relative newcomer, the brightest star with the firmest grasp of reality is westlower. I know many could learn a great deal from his words, sadly most are unable to.

  26. David

    Jan 26, 2015, 9:28 #65623

    @Westlower - agreed with Ron; you clearly have a hang up about Mourinho. In the end, he's won 7 league titles, 2 CLs and many other trophies with different clubs around Europe. At Inter and Porto he didn't have unlimited funds either. He's a brilliant manager. It's fair to say that this current Chelsea side is 10% short of the side he managed 10 years ago. They look beatable and catchable.

  27. Brian

    Jan 26, 2015, 9:05 #65622

    Th14afc, I too love our 'little Mozart'. Players with grace, drive and artistry are at the pinnacle of absolute football skill-and in the PL they get kicked for the temerity of being in possession of such rare qualities. Sad. Yet that Neanderthal mentality persists and is alive and well on this site. Fatigue and travel aren't issues-too lightweight-need an ugly player to hurt the opposition. It's all,'crash, bang, wallop' understanding of the game. It's a pity some contributors views are oddly in demand and have such a following of weaker souls.

  28. Westlower

    Jan 26, 2015, 8:52 #65621

    @Ron, Me fatigued? Still a spring chicken me mate, fresh as a daisy! Perhaps you'll agree with me that Aguero is struggling for full fitness & gets fatigued, NOT COMPLACENT, towards the end of a game at present. He was way below his best in the Arsenal game, a remark that also applies to Kompany. Aguero never recovered fully last season when he picked up a bad injury at the Lane in January, only scoring 2 goals from 9 games on his comeback, before flopping in the World Cup. Walcott & Ozil are going through the same phase of fading late in the second half. Ramsey is cramping up towards the end of games but I believe he needs more work than the average player to bring him up to his physical peak. As a physical specimen he's what we would call 'stuffy' in horse parlance. The harder he's worked the better he'll become. If CFC are glad to be out of the FA Cup, then why are they still lingering in the League Cup? So many late goals on Saturday suggest to me that the fatigue factor is alive & well. Bradford scored in 75,82 & 90 minutes, Middlesbrough 90, Leicester 83 & 90. Surely complacency (poor attitude)lasts for the majority of a game but fatigue kicks in during the dying moments of a game? Not surprised to hear Phil Neville saying he would have two footed Rosicky for outsmarting him. Perhaps that gives us a clue why we pick up more injuries than the norm, after all it was a Manc who done Wilshere with a late tackle? Final thought on Maureen: Not well practiced at rotating his squad is he? Perhaps that's why he's fielded the same eleven in 17 of their 22 PL games. The great injury God in the sky has smiled down kindly on him.

  29. julesd

    Jan 26, 2015, 8:06 #65620

    Well done Yaya Sanogo getting yourself on the score sheet on a weekend when bigger name strikers failed to do so.

  30. Bard

    Jan 26, 2015, 7:26 #65619

    TH14afc, I thought Rosicky looked terrific albeit against poor opposition. We have never seen the best of him. Like so many of the Arsenal players his career has been blighted long term injuries. By the time he got himself fit his career was on the wane, really sad. Footnote, Chez looks shot i goal, he didnt move for the first and should have done better with the second. Might his career be over at Arsenal.

  31. Th14afc

    Jan 26, 2015, 0:48 #65618

    Good performance,especially the 1st half...defence went to sleep abit in the 2nd half but we did play monreal in the centre which prob explains that....all in all tho taking into account the shocks from Saturday then I'm very happy that the gunners are in the 5th round...rosicky was excellent,love watching him play

  32. Ron

    Jan 26, 2015, 0:35 #65617

    Thats right West lower you cant make up complacency like that displayed by Chelsea and City, but your psychological hang up about Mourinho cant be made up either as its so frequently displayed. You need some soothing over him. Are you fatigued? It seems to have a grip on your life old buddy.Get real Chelsea and City are actually glad to be out of the FAC. For Arsenal its fundamental. Can you see why there s a difference? Maybe not!

  33. Rumpole

    Jan 26, 2015, 0:08 #65616

    Man City out of the cup, Chelsea out of the cup, Spuds out of the cup, Moaners back from the pub, United in a replay, Liverpool in a replay.. C'mon....!!!!

  34. Unchives

    Jan 25, 2015, 22:42 #65615

    Good performance by the lads. I have to agree with Jamie, never a 3-2. Only one team in it. Brighton had two shots, two goals.

  35. jeff wright

    Jan 25, 2015, 22:33 #65614

    GR, well it was 3-2 and the euphoria over the alleged better defending that we have heard Ad nauseam all last week was again proven to be a false dawn. In the greater context of things these win stats are a bit misleading the Prem title was a bird that has flown long ago the Champions League ties are KO ones now and our defending doesn't look up to us being able to win it.We could retain the FAC of course and that looks to be the level that under Wenger's management that we are now at. You don't buy 30m+ players and pay a manager 8m a year though to just do this,that is course supposing that he does win it again . In reality he will be judged on where he finishes in the Prem you only get the Europey Cup for winning the FA one and that is not worth putting together a multimillion squad and paying 8m a year wages for. I believe that he will get 4th in the Prem the FAC is a bit of a lottery so we will have to see what transpires in it but there is a dreary predictability these days about Wenger, the old optimism of his Highbury days is a thing of the past . No one, other than a few deluded nutters, expects him to win the Prem or Euro Cup as they once did and those thousands of empty seats at home games tell their own tale.He keeps raking in the cash though and Stan will be happy with that.

  36. JAMIE

    Jan 25, 2015, 22:27 #65613

    Scoreline really flattered Brighton,egg on faces all round yet again for our critical friends who never learn.

  37. cyril

    Jan 25, 2015, 21:54 #65612

    as i said 442..

  38. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 25, 2015, 21:41 #65611

    Hiccup, yes they did look fatigued I suppose not being able to compete with Arsenal and all their money on fancy hotels for the night meant they had to settle for a three star or a B+B and wouldn't have had the same attention and nights sleep and maybe had to make do with the hotels breakfast or make their own. There would always be an excuse or simply more blame put on the referees than there already is, if that's possible.

  39. GoonerRon

    Jan 25, 2015, 21:09 #65610

    @ Jeff - in truth it was a comfortable victory - we never really looked in danger despite some poor defending in places. 11th win in 14 will do nicely.

  40. Rumpole

    Jan 25, 2015, 21:06 #65609

    It did look like a handball to me to be fair, but hey ho. Glad we're through to the next round!

  41. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 25, 2015, 20:44 #65608

    It didn't come as much of a surprise that his wallyness Sir theo was hogging the limelight telling us how well he and his new invincibles played.

  42. jeff wright

    Jan 25, 2015, 19:42 #65607

    Yes yet again more Keystone Cops antics in defence in what in truth should have been a comfortable win. Anyone who thinks that Wenger has finally worked out how to beat the best sides in Europe based on that win at City is dreaming.

  43. Peter Wain

    Jan 25, 2015, 19:36 #65606

    more rubbish defending. When are our fullbacks going to defend properly instead of chasing down the field like headless chickens at every opportunity and whatever the score or time in the match?

  44. Smithy

    Jan 25, 2015, 19:30 #65605

    Good win in the context of the round. The new centre back can't come soon enough. The gaps btw monreal and kos were huge. Well done Thomas he drove us through the game. Just through!

  45. Hiccup

    Jan 25, 2015, 19:15 #65604

    I expect the Brighton fans are up in arms with the Football League for giving them a midweek fixture prior to today's cup game. I'm sure the Brighton bloggers are thrashing out conspiracy theories that the FL has got it in for them and all that kind of stuff that's rife on here when arsenal lose a game. It was clear from the start that Brighton looked fatigued. A fresh Brighton team would have fancied their chances. Saying that, the long haul down to the south coast wouldn't have helped our players, so that evens things out in my bubble. My main concern is our fixture against Villa next week. Villa's game today kicked off at 3, so they'll have had an extra hour's rest compared to us. Until the FA revert to all games kicking off on the same day and same time, then these type of excuses will continue to be regurjitated when it suits. Other than that, I just don't know how this 'excuseitis' can be stamped out of the game?

  46. jjetplane

    Jan 25, 2015, 16:12 #65603

    The now lowly Wenger has just spluttered an agreement that Sir Theo (you heard) was correct in his estimation that basically the invincibles were pants and yes there are MORE top top players now than there were in those far flung days when that lot could not even win a cup. Arise Sir Theo and let Wenger give us a song on his lute (which he plays little bit) ....

  47. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 25, 2015, 15:58 #65602

    Again, Ben Casey, please point out the flaw in my reasoning in the comments I've made. You're being reductive by claiming it's all about having a go at Wenger. The argument would apply in the abstract to any club with such a long term injury record and a similarly long serving manager. You've stopped addressing it - and me - instead making snide comments about being 'foolish' because you cannot provide a counter to what I've actually said regarding injuries, as opposed to your interpretation of what's behind my words.

  48. jjetplane

    Jan 25, 2015, 15:52 #65601

    JAMiE & WESTIE & the curse of FA ownership. lol!

  49. jeff wright

    Jan 25, 2015, 15:52 #65600

    Wenger's training regime , the type of players that he buys and the tactics that he employs, play a large part in our injury problems. Bad luck is only a small part of the problem ,other clubs are also unlucky with injuries and there is no logical explanation as to why we should consistently be more so than them. So other factors must be to blame and I go with the ones that I have listed. Wenger's bizarre comments about muscles coming together sound more like advice from a sex manual than a football one they do with his anti- strength building outlook though provide an insight into his training regime that is designed for quick movement twisting and turning and short bursts of speed.All of these things, as anyone who had ever been involved in athletics will know, can produce pulled and torn muscles .

  50. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 25, 2015, 15:37 #65599

    John F, that makes sense, the more of the ball you have, the more challenges, and therefore bad challenges, you'll face. Pitch could be another factor, as you say. Also having the shortest, lightest squad in the league, only utilising some of the squad, only giving some players a game once that small group begins to break, becoming over-reliant on certain players, keep playing players in the red zone... I'd guess some or all of these combine to explain it, but who knows to what degree for each. What's for sure is 'bad luck' is the refuge of those for whom even implied criticism of the way things are currently done is a treasonous act.

  51. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 25, 2015, 15:34 #65598

    Good team selection Bouldy good to see your taking it seriously.

  52. Ben Casey

    Jan 25, 2015, 15:30 #65597

    John F, you are clearly more able to take an overview of our injury problem, as opposed to some others who appear locked into a view and any other suggestion is taken as a sleight. The problem is multi-faceted. Clearly individual's perceptions favours their own clubs and creates a distortion, though it is clear we suffer more than most. Artificial weave and grass mix pitches could be a fundamental reason. Lightweight boots clearly answer some questions. Players who play football by holding the ball invite more tackles and the PL is brutal in it's approach. Speed of the game can make injuries more severe too. Training methods may play their part. Physique isn't much of a cause. Despite some having lighter frames they are often more resilient, though some players can appear unluckier as they are labelled 'injury prone'. Usually this means their body is more prone to injury, that particular body has weaknesses in some areas, perhaps in a variety of parts of the body. Then there is luck, which is a random factor. No one can claim to know, especially those wishing to make a scapegoat of Wenger. They are just obsessed with hanging the blame on the manager and in doing so make themselves appear foolish.

  53. John F

    Jan 25, 2015, 15:16 #65596

    The Hull fans up here are having the same debate as us about the injuries they are suffering. Some of them blame the way the pitches are prepared.Pitches are harder due to good drainage. Hulls pitch is a hybrid between artificial and normal grass.Others are blaming the flimsy boots that the players wear.I have heard another reason for Arsenals problems is that due to our possession game we simply invite more tackles that lead to injuries.Who knows?not me.

  54. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 25, 2015, 15:08 #65595

    Exeter, they mustn't have worked out how to switch on all their muscles at the right time together yet.

  55. DW Thomas

    Jan 25, 2015, 14:56 #65594

    The excuses on here by some for not winning the league for 10 years are astounding. The quotes by OGL recently only add to the gigantic list of ridiculous things he says to excuse the failure. The worst part about it is it never changes! Even if we win today by 5 goals, we won't win the league. Wenger, if he's smart at all, will go all out to win this game as so many top sides are now out. That way, he will be vindicated to stay here and coach forever by the AKB knuckle heads! The best measuring stick we all know is how the CL goes and if we compete for the title till the end. One is over, the other based on past history will eventually peter out. Ho-hum.

  56. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 25, 2015, 14:46 #65593

    Hiccup, that must have taken a lot out of them, imagine not even being able to compete with the oligarchs when hiring a bus too, but I bet they're not complaining, hopefully they'll get a good rest before they're next game, lets hope with a bus like that we get them at home in the next round, or maybe not.

  57. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 25, 2015, 14:44 #65592

    Hiccup, there's another reason Brighton might win the good doctor has put forward - their owner is very good at betting.

  58. Hiccup

    Jan 25, 2015, 14:36 #65591

    Using the criteria being preached on here, if Brighton lose today, it will not be that arsenal are better than them, but due to fatigue, as Brighton played on Wednesday. It's amazing how fatigue can be diagnosed as being prevalent or not before a ball is even kicked by Dr Westlower. And here's a first. If arsenal do lose it will be that brighton are better than us on the day?That's jumping the gun isn't it? Let's at least wait to see if we can blame the ref before giving credit to a team that beats us.

  59. jeff wright

    Jan 25, 2015, 14:33 #65590

    Jamie, once again you are sprouting complete bullshine to try and justify Wenger's flopping in the league by claiming he is doing great in the FAC . Wenger and Hillwood a few years ago admitted that getting a top 4 place in the Prem was a bigger prize for them and others than winning the FAC is. It still is and that is a fact. Of course there are times such as like last season and in this one when the illusion of us fighting for the Prem title can't be used to justify not putting out strong sides in the Cup and that is what it's really all about .We have seen in the past though that if a weekend FAC tie impacts on a league game midweek then Wenger will put out a side in the cup to take account of this .Your explanation about players wanting to impress the manager doesn't fit with recent results in cup ties against the likes of non - Prem sides that beat us. These sides did not have better players than us but they did have more motivation. Who can forget that lack lustre display that our players put up at home to Blackburn a couple of years ago .In fact up until last season after the horror show at Chelsea had blown away our supposed title tilt Wenger had shown little interest in the FAC since last winning it in 2005 .It's become more important now though to him to help to distract from other issues.

  60. Bard

    Jan 25, 2015, 14:16 #65589

    The argument that our chronic injury problems this season and many others is down to bad luck is frankly ridiculous. Even Wenger says he has launched an inquiry. Of course there are accidents but for the last few seasons playing for Arsenal should come with a health warning.

  61. jjetplane

    Jan 25, 2015, 13:58 #65588

    Maybe you could justify your support by actually going to a match sometime WESTIE lol

  62. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 25, 2015, 13:51 #65587

    Westlower, that was a quote in case you missed it, I think the point is made. Rather than throw in ridiculous, irrelevant lines like 'Wenger is not responsible for all the woes in your life' perhaps you could point out exactly where I'm going wrong in my reasoning in my above posts, and then go on to outline just how 'bad luck' is in fact a full and reasonable explanation for such an abysmal injury record over so many years and is nothing to do with the man in charge of that squad? If you are able to do so, then I'll withdraw my contention that you only make this 'bad luck' claim because you are not interested in the truth of the matter, but in supporting Arsene first and foremost, not Arsenal.

  63. Westlower

    Jan 25, 2015, 13:37 #65586

    @Exeter, Please quantify 'thin & understaffed squad' as we've fielded 28 players in the PL this season, more than any of the other top sides. Also many of our players are injured while on International duty with their country. Wenger is not solely responsible for all the woes in your life. Maybe you feel you have to justify crossing the line in only conditionally supporting your club?

  64. JAMIE

    Jan 25, 2015, 13:14 #65585

    I think the results yesterday show that the other top teams don't have the squads they profess to have.It's nothing about having bigger fish to fry as the players brought in should be wanting to impress the manager and play harder. Wenger was castigated severely by many Arsenal fans for putting champions league qualification before the FA Cup yet it is clear this is what many other clubs are trying to do,yet clearly not to the same success that Wenger has managed.I suppose if we lift the FA Cup again the wob's will go back to saying it's not a trophy we should be aiming for,yet if we go out they will come out with the old line that we should have given it everything as it's our best chance of silverware.Watch this space......

  65. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 25, 2015, 12:47 #65584

    My dislike or otherwise of Wenger is immaterial to what's very clearly stated reasoning, Ben Casey, but you have conveniently chosen to use it as a reason to not put any counter-argument. I shall leave you with the thoughts of @wengerknowsbest: "Why does our thin, understaffed and imbalanced squad of delicate overworked players suffer so many injuries? I just don't know."

  66. jeff wright

    Jan 25, 2015, 12:44 #65583

    Fatigue had nothing to do with the top sides losing to lower class opposition. This excuse was dismissed by the top sides managers and by ex-pro pundits such as Robbie Fowler. You could clearly see the lack of motivation and lackadaisical approach by the Chelsea and City players .Their opponents wanted it more and were fired up for the games. Chelsea and City players were more concerned about playing one another next weekend in their two horse-race for the Prem title than were in trying to win the FAC .Of course our ones do not have that distraction and the FAC is again a face saving target for them and old clueless Arsene .I'm, not expecting any shock result at Brighton because our lot will be up for the cup and high fives and embarrassing goal celebs will be on parade again with AKB's going berserk with joy . The problem for the lower sides players is that they need the better ones to under-perform to be able to compete against them .When this doesn't happen they are put in their place. It's not by chance that these players are where they are. They are at their correct level and the notion that the lower leagues are full of players who could play in the Prem is just a myth .

  67. Ben Casey

    Jan 25, 2015, 12:35 #65582

    Sorry Exeter Gunner, your clear dislike of Wenger obscures your vision and clarity of thought,and that mentality has just closed down this communication.

  68. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 25, 2015, 12:31 #65581

    Ben Casey, I was making the very simple point, using logic and deduction, that such an injury record cannot be seriously argued to be due to 'bad luck' (which is what Westlower is constantly trying to claim on this site)despite the unquantifiable nature of the concept. Your 'possible reason' simply doesn't cover it, but if you can accept there must be underlying reasons then good. But to make out that it's not to do with Wenger - the constant at the club, the man who decides the training methods, the man who builds a squad of a certain type and size - would itself be disingenuous and stretch credulity.

  69. jjetplane

    Jan 25, 2015, 12:22 #65580

    WESTIE getting in the 'if Arsene should lose as others did yesterday' narrative so he can keep on supplying bet facts that no one gives a toss about. Stick to the RPost where the rest of the WeSTIES live. The only good bits in your posts are the thinly disguised snide remarks. Those we do love.

  70. Ben Casey

    Jan 25, 2015, 12:14 #65579

    Exeter Gunner, you need to address your siege mentality. I was not disagreeing, just stating an often overlooked fact regarding injuries, as you did in a previous post. I think you need to debate with westlower regarding number of injuries per team, percentages and odds, but I do know that you cannot quantify 'bad luck', so a statement proclaiming such is flimsy. It may be true, there may be underlying reasons for such an-agreed upon-abysmal injury record. Those with entrenched and narrow views blame them on Wenger, I think that is disingenuous. Debate of our injury record and corresponding rivals' is interesting and important. If you have an agenda to just 'knock down' someone who genuinely offers a possible reason, then you close down communications. Seems to happen quite often on this site, and mob rule is often displayed.

  71. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 25, 2015, 11:52 #65578

    Ben Casey, it's also a fact that AFC's overall injury record, cutting across many seasons, is worse than other teams. It is therefore not feasible to claim this is just down to 'bad luck'. It's amazing that this is even up for discussion, but I guess this is what debating with a 'believer' is like.

  72. Ben Casey

    Jan 25, 2015, 11:44 #65577

    It is a medical fact that when a player resumes playing after an injury requiring a lay-off, other parts of the body, particularly muscles, are put under extreme and unfamiliar stresses. This quite often results in muscular strains. Ergo: An injury, recuperation, resuming playing, another stretch/strain injury likely to follow speedily.

  73. JAMIE

    Jan 25, 2015, 11:41 #65576

    Looking at the way some of these lower league British players performed especially from Bradford and Middlesbrough it makes you wonder whether there's a lot of quality players to be had in the lower leagues.These teams didn't win their games by just getting it in the mixer,some of the goals I saw scored were outstanding.I'de love to see Arsenal made up of English lads with just a sprinkling of foreign talent as I think it would pull the club together in a way it hasn't been for some time.

  74. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 25, 2015, 11:35 #65575

    Westlower, you have deliberately tried to make out we're only talking about 'bad injuries' - by selecting a few across many seasons - when you know I mean the injury record itself is bad. I'm talking about all types of injuries. What about the disproportionately high amount of muscular injuries AFC players get? What about the frequency with which players come back and are then out again immediately for a time? What about the frequency with which 'three weeks' becomes 'three months'? I believe you understand that these mean there is a systemic issue there, but because you're not interested in an honest assessment, rather simply defending Wenger at all costs, you will not acknowledge it.

  75. Westlower

    Jan 25, 2015, 11:09 #65574

    Should we lose at Brighton, fatigue will not be an issue. We'll lose because Brighton were better than us on the day. Fatigue is a short term problem caused by travelling & an overloaded fixture list. Rotation of players partially overcomes this problem, but every key player rested, weakens the team to varying degrees. If Kos is rested this afternoon our defence will be weaker, if Sanchez is rested our attack will be less dynamic. Of course bad injuries are down to bad luck. How do you prevent Giroud getting a broken leg at Everton? How do you prevent severe cruciate ligament injuries? How do you prevent Debuchy from dislocating his shoulder? How do you prevent Debuchy from landing badly on his ankle for his first long term injury? How do you prevent a Man U player breaking a bone in Wilshere's foot? How could we have prevented Sagna getting 2 leg breaks in one season? Ramsey, Diaby & Eduardo leg breaks??? If any of you could see these injuries coming I salute you. Some spectacular bets were landed yesterday with one punter having £100 double on Bradford & Middlesboro to win £29,000. A £2 punter won £24,000 by adding Derby, Palace & Leicester to his bet. Another £2 bet won £36,000 by including WBA to the previous 5. Brighton's owner Tony Bloom is one of the most successful professional punters ever born. We'll underestimate Brighton at our peril!

  76. Ozzie

    Jan 25, 2015, 10:25 #65573

    Agreed, nothing to add to that Bard. Another FA Cup will do me :)

  77. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 25, 2015, 10:13 #65572

    AFC may be a couple of classes above Chelsea and Man C; unfortunately they're several places above us in the league. Sadly the Moral Superiority trophy is as imaginary as the 4th Place one. Westlower - if fatigue is an issue for all teams, then it follows it cannot be an excuse for any one team over a season. So obviously you'll not be using it as an excuse for AFC at the end of this season. And on injuries, if a bad injury record cuts across many seasons, it follows it must be a systemic issue. You must be able to see this, yet continue to insist it is just 'bad luck'. This is what's known as a dishonest assertion.

  78. JAMIE

    Jan 25, 2015, 9:46 #65571

    Arsenewbest-I made you a star of the OLG and this is how you repay me with your insults.I know a lot of you guys are getting tired of doing 'U turns'every week and it looks like it's getting much harder to justify Wenger's departure and harder still to find anybody who could possibly take over from him,but as Badarse would say'here pal have one of my gobstoppers sit back,chill and lets be mates'....

  79. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 25, 2015, 9:14 #65570

    ASK JAMIE - What is the exact recipe for the potent cocktail of solvents, barbiturates, legal highs/illegal highs, alcohol, drugs, hallucinogens and anti-depressants that you take before posting your witticisms on here? ASK JAMIE - Who does your typing while you dictate your illiterate, incoherent and insubstantial mind-farts? ASK JAMIE - Can you send OGL a year's supply of the brew that you're taking so that he is rendered incapacitated and we can go back to a better interim manager such as Stewart Houston? TELL JAMIE - You didn't exhaust the dialogues comrade (there were only two) - you stopped because your brain dried up... you can no longer make it up - how disappointing.

  80. Finsbury Joe

    Jan 25, 2015, 0:30 #65569

    Wenger will never change. And I hope those AKBs celebrating like they won the league, champions league, World Cup and Eurovision Song Contest after the city game now have a sense of context after what Middlesboro did up there

  81. Tai

    Jan 25, 2015, 0:16 #65568

    Mourinho can only play spoiling football against better opposition.Wenger has a much broader repertoire.

  82. JAMIE

    Jan 24, 2015, 23:57 #65567

    I noticed how all three Crystal Palace goals were scored by players that Wenger has brought through.Wenger must be responsible for bringing through more players than all the other Premiership managers put together.He certainly shows fools like Maureen and Peli that it takes more than money to be a top class manager.

  83. JAMIE

    Jan 24, 2015, 23:45 #65566

    I don't see the spuds result as a shock as spuds and Leicester are similar size clubs.I would love to see manure and Pool both fall in the replays as although they have rich histories both have mainly been achieved by hoof ball and anti football.

  84. JAMIE

    Jan 24, 2015, 23:15 #65565

    Man City another bunch of overpaid useless bottlers,imagine what the wobs would be saying if we lost at home to shiite like Middlesbrough and Bradford.Wenger should be applauded for getting rid of dead wood like Clichy,Sagna,Nasri,Van Persestrings and Fabrecash,players who would be squad players at best and replaced by world class players like Sanchez and Ozil.

  85. Hiccup

    Jan 24, 2015, 23:14 #65564

    mg, that would seem to be a reasonable reason. Considering the Bradford players came down all the way from Yorkshire on a rickety bus with no toilet facilities and stayed in a b&b, i'm surprised they were in any fit state to play football. I'm knackered myself just thinking about what they went through.

  86. Hiccup

    Jan 24, 2015, 23:03 #65563

    Having listened to Van Gaal's excuses after last nights dismal performance/ result, I thought I'd never heard such nonsense. But on reflection, it's nothing different to what you read on here.

  87. JAMIE

    Jan 24, 2015, 22:52 #65562

    After just watching the Chelsea Bradford game you can see how we really are a couple of classes ahead of Chelsea.Bradford completely outclassed the hapless chavs with a side that cost £7,000.I don't think any of their useless players including the hapless Fabregas would get anywhere near our first team.Mourinho showed how clueless he is against poorer opposition only really able to play anti-football against the big boys.

  88. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 24, 2015, 22:51 #65561

    Hiccup, I think it's a classic case of the chavs and maureen being that cocky and confident that they thought they just had to turn up,(now who does that remind you off?) especially when they were two up, and then having been brought back down to earth with a sore arse and taught a lesson, now who does that remind you off.

  89. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 24, 2015, 22:41 #65560

    john f, good one, or a life size bill or ben flower pot man with a blue puffa, already zipped up of course. Hi Berry 69026, a lot of us have been saying that for years now mate but you can be sure it'll still not sink in.

  90. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 24, 2015, 22:04 #65559

    Unchives, well lets hope the players use their heads anyway, and it's not left to this old has been and his tactics (or lack off) or god knows what could/will happen, he could even take this mad notion that there's more important things to concentrate on,( it wouldn't be the first time) but surely not even he would/could think that now? or even his followers, though I suppose thy'll wait to see what way he plays it before they make up they're mind.

  91. Hiccup

    Jan 24, 2015, 21:58 #65558

    Westie, you've got fatigue on the brain. I know it's become a constant excuse you use for arsenal for every **** up, but I think you're that wound up in it as an excuse, that you're now applying it to everything. Man City have a week off in the sun and a kick about against the locals with jumpers for goalposts, and you're telling me they've come back knackered? A 2nd string Liverpool team failing to beat Bolton ain't a shock. And are you really telling me spurs ****ing up is a surprise? Chelsea losing to Bradford is a shock. Spouting fatigue won't go down well with anyone at the Bridge when you're coasting against a league one team. They've ****ed up today big time. All that these results tell me is that these oil teams that you say no one can compete with are well and truly impregnable. It's you that seems happy to sit back and let them go ahead unchallenged. Well it's good to see teams like Burnley, Boro and Bradford have a go at them instead of turning up like lambs to the slaughter. And now that the arsenal players decide the tactics, we might start turning up to the big clubs with a plan to beat them too from now on.

  92. Hi Berry

    Jan 24, 2015, 21:43 #65557

    So the cat is now well and truly out of the bag. All those posters who argue no one could get more out of this group of players would appear to have had the carpet pulled from beneath their feet. It seems that a group of players were responsible for galvanising the team to give that performance against City last week which rather indicates managing this group of players is not quite so complicated as some would have us believe.

  93. cyril

    Jan 24, 2015, 21:31 #65556

    On a a funny note about tomorrow, I was at the last game against the seagulls and many fans got caught out getting a cab out of the city centre. I managed to get us a cab over to Falmer where they play and we were a bit late. Some smartass tried to cross a field to get there and ended up to his nuts in mud. Great day out it was! Whoever is going tomorrow and likes a drink, don't leave it to late to go from the centre. I would give yourselves an hour from the city centre just in case.COYG

  94. JAMIE

    Jan 24, 2015, 20:51 #65555

    It just shows how superior our manager and players are compared to the other rabble making up the top of the Premiership.

  95. Mike

    Jan 24, 2015, 20:26 #65554

    So far none of the top 7 premier league sides have won against far inferior opposition. When Arsenal lost Bradford I remember people saying that Mourinho would never let that happen to his side - you couldn't make those results up - City, Chelsea, Southampton, Spurs all out. Hope we have better luck

  96. jjetplane

    Jan 24, 2015, 20:21 #65553

    That's the thing about WESTIE. He really is a believer. The Imam of the Emirates. How about giving us all a wail from the AKB minaret. You could not make it up. lol JAMIE I suggest perhaps increasing the medication. Ask your doctor. Good luck.

  97. JAMIE

    Jan 24, 2015, 20:03 #65552

    I think the Wobbie sketches have been exhausted now so on Friday I will be starting a new programme called 'ASK JAMIE'Any question listed on the last comments page between 8am and 2pm (with ASK JAMIE at the beginning)this Friday will be answered later that day.All the difficult questions you think have been dodged on this site I will endeavour to answer even non footballing ones.This feature will run for two weeks,and believe me there is very little I don't know.(Note only one question per poster(The first)will be answered,all others will be discarded,questions MUST only be asked between 8am and 2pm Friday)

  98. Westlower

    Jan 24, 2015, 19:57 #65551

    @Hiccup, If you don't believe fatigue plays a part then what's your take on today's surprising results? Liverpool, CFC & TH played in the dreaded 2 leg LC semis midweek, Man City played a friendly in Abu Dabhi. All were at home today but left out key players, something forced upon Arsenal all season due to a horrific long term injury list. Given the resources at CFC & Man City, shouldn't their coaches be doing better. Who could have predicted a Maureen side getting a 5 goal thrashing at the Lane and tamely surrendering a 2 goal lead to Bradford? One shot on target at Anfield, albeit a penalty. If the players don't perform then there is apparently very little the coach can do. Arsenal are the new joint favourites with Cambridge (sorry, Manchester) United to win the FA Cup at 3/1.

  99. Hiccup

    Jan 24, 2015, 19:31 #65550

    Arsenal win 2-0 at the etihad. Wenger gets the acclaim for the victory. Boro win 2-0 at the etihad. The Boro manager (whoever he is?) doesn't get the acclaim, but fatigue is the reason given for City losing. So funny how the AKB's can make excuses up as they go along, but if we'd said arsenal won last week because City were fatigued, the AKB's wouldn't have tolerated any of it. Carry on, keep making it up!

  100. Hi Berry

    Jan 24, 2015, 19:27 #65549

    Can anyone please tell me what medication Jamie is on? If I had the ability to travel back to 1978 I would have had to spend the best part of twenty years trying to locate the Etihad.

  101. Unchives

    Jan 24, 2015, 19:17 #65548

    What an FA Cup Saturday, lets hope we use our heads, this cup is so retain-able....COYG!

  102. john f

    Jan 24, 2015, 19:03 #65547

    I wonder what tactics the players are going to decide on tomorrow.Perhaps Wenger can take a day off and send a cardboard cut out of himself with movable arms ànd strings attached. Every time the ref makes a poor decision bouldie can pull the strings.It can come complete with a recorder with preloaded words such as handbrake, spirit,quality and we could of signed messi.

  103. Westlower

    Jan 24, 2015, 19:01 #65546

    At lunchtime Paul Merson was urging punters to take the 66/1 about CFC winning all 4 competitions because those big odds wouldn't be there next week. Well, you sure got that right Merse! Maybe fatigue is a bigger factor than some people realise? Just ask Maureen & Pochettino, both their teams were leading at home before they blew it! You really couldn't make it up.

  104. Lee afc

    Jan 24, 2015, 18:30 #65545

    Jamie.....brilliant mate. Humour is the best medicine for the anti arse's.

  105. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 24, 2015, 18:03 #65544

    I'd have thought the wengerites would have been happier for these teams to have gone through, giving them more games/fixtures to worry about and concentrate on and maybe slipping up and enabling OGL to reach his holy grail of fourth( or even come through and win it as Ozil has pointed out) instead of now having less and quite the opposite. But maybe it's more to do with the fact it leaves the door open for Arsenal and especially they're messiah not having to play and risk a beating from one of the big boys (not that that matters to much as we could meet Bradford again or even Blackburn but every little bit helps) now when has that happened before?

  106. Mark from aylesbury

    Jan 24, 2015, 18:00 #65543

    No domestic doubles for Chelsea or city and the quadruple has gone the way of the unbeaten season. Top4 finish retention of the cup it has to be a solid achievable target!

  107. Bard

    Jan 24, 2015, 17:35 #65542

    Keep it up Jamie, I'm really enjoying your incoherent stories they're fun and a total distraction. What an FAC day ! Westie the other explanation might be that our win against Citeh wasn't much if Middlesborough can beat them so easily but I get your point. its stretching it a bit though to accuse Maureen of being a faiure, sounds like sour grapes to me. I prefer the argument posted many times on here that this is the worst PL for many a year.

  108. Hiccup

    Jan 24, 2015, 17:23 #65541

    "It is impossible to compete with the oil men." Some of the AKB's must be confused tonight. You really couldn't make it up!

  109. Westlower

    Jan 24, 2015, 17:16 #65540

    2-0 up, 2-4 down, oh dearie me Maureen! You've become a full blown 'specialist in failure' with 5 goals conceded at the Lane, now 4 at home to Bradford. Remember how we were slaughtered for losing on penalties to Bradford? Plus Sanogo scores & assists for Chamakh. Some of the 'experts' on this site must be feeling confused this evening. You couldn't make it up!

  110. Paul Adams

    Jan 24, 2015, 17:07 #65539

    FA Cup newsflash! Spuds OUT, Chavs OUT, Citeh OUT all lost. at home. COYG, do the business on S. Coast tomorrow, Happy days 😂😄

  111. TJ

    Jan 24, 2015, 16:47 #65538

    Quotes from Wenger yesterday: "at some stage you can't go against the feelings of the team because it's detrimental to the result" "Of course (I listened to the players). Your tactics have to be aligned as well with the feeling of the team and the confidence level of the team" but “I go from being too romantic to too pragmatic. We are not going to change our style.”

  112. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 24, 2015, 16:10 #65537

    And TOF has been at it again giving us the benefit of his so called inferior knowledge of the human body (all our injuries tells us all we need to know what that is) telling us that he doesn't like his powder puff dwarfs/players over doing it in the gym and putting on to much muscle therefore making themselves more powerful, apparently strengths not important, there you are then. Instead he's raving on speaking gobbledegook about switching on all muscles at the right time together, my this old fraud does talk some shyte.

  113. DW Thomas

    Jan 24, 2015, 15:28 #65536

    Upon reading Jamie's most recent posts, I find myself yearning for Baddie to come back. Where have you been chum? Your funny musings seem like a Shakespearean play compared to the king muppet. Bard I concur on your assessments of Jack and Gibbs. Jack was overplayed though, and stupidly tried to fight through injury. He releases the ball very late and often gets hit at the last second. He'd be better off in a league less physical and where flair players are better protected. He has skill and graft, but OGL depended too heavily on him too early. As for Gibbs, he is a brittle man to me. Every season he is injured on and off. Not a super tough defender or a great offensive wing back. I prefer Monreal any day. He's more mature as a player and does well when given longer runs in the team. As for, Debuchey, I didn't rate him too high when at Newcastle. However, watching the WC and his games with us, I like him. He is tough, good going forward, and likes to defend. Reminds me of Sagna. Who by the way is riding the bench at City. Was it true he never got a pay raise while at Arsenal? If so, another nugget of evidence that supports the idea Wenger could care less about defense, loyalty. What destroys my hope each season is wins like City. Why? Because it shows with proper tactics, and a few better players we could be really, really good. Feared even. Instead, it's always hit or miss now as performances go. Some good, many poor, a few unexpected solid wins vs the top clubs. But never more. And we all know the reason why.

  114. JAMIE

    Jan 24, 2015, 0:49 #65535

    It's Sunday the day Arsenal are due to take on Man City,Wobbie is watching tv yet is distracted by the loud noise that mother has been making in the garage all week.WOBBIE:Mother dear what is that racket I have been hearing coming from the garage all week.MOTHER:Come down and see it's a surprise I have been working on all week.WOBBIE:What is it?MOTHER:It's a time travelling machine!/Just then a knock on the door.WOBBIE:Look out the window please mother and tell me who's at the door.MOTHER:It appears to be a man in a frock and a two headed China man.WOBBIE:Oh that will be Arsenenewbest and the brothers Lee and jeff wright Wong.ARSENENEWBEST:What's that you have there Wobbie, it looks like a time machine.WOBBIE:It sure is but I don't know how it works.ARSENENEWBEST:No problem just twist this knob pull this handle and Whooohaaay away we go.//The time machine immediately went spinning back to the year 1978 to Manchester.WOBBIE:Hey look we're in Manchester and there's the Etihad let's go to the game.LEE:Looks a bit old and shiity for my liking but we're here so let's watch some footie.WOBBIE:Look it says 'Homo End'that's perfect lets go in there.LEE:Are you sure it didn't say Home End there seems loads of City fans here and the Arsenal supporters appear to be in that corner down the other end.CITY FANS:Hey look there's a bloke in a frock a two headed slope and a woopsey lets get them!WOBBIE:How dare you act in such a homophobic and racist way this is 2015 not the 1970's.CITY FANS:No it isn't it's 1978.BISH BASH WALLOP.WOBBIE:Get out of here quickly.LEE:I'm off.ARSENENEWBEST:Run for your lives.JEFF:I blame Wenger.//Our heroes quickly make it back to the ship//WOBBIE:How do you work this thing?ARSENENEWBEST:Just pull this knob press this button and hey prestow they were back in Wobbie's mother's garage in 2015.All our heroes were well yet poor jeff was sporting two black eyes.JEFF:It's all Wenger's fault you know.//And everybody fell about laughing hysterically.Except jeff that is.hahahahahahaha.

  115. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 24, 2015, 0:19 #65534

    Ron, so I see, that will be the inscription on his grave stone, Here lies the nearly man. If he'd have signed all these players he nearly did we'd be world beaters he mustn't have had an extra tenner on him, I wonder would he have turned out the same, probably went like the rest, his ego must be very deflated at the minute if he's coming out with this.

  116. Ron

    Jan 23, 2015, 23:33 #65533

    Theres a week end thought to warm the cockles of yr hearts. Wenger nearly signed De Maria. What a nearly man we have in our midst.

  117. Carlos

    Jan 23, 2015, 20:47 #65532

    Judging by his comments today, normal service will soon be resumed

  118. Bard

    Jan 23, 2015, 17:15 #65529

    Chris; I am happy to go along with the notion of hope over reason. i am a big fan of Jack and sometimes think Gibbs looks classy but the truth is they are train wrecks waiting to happen. Gibbs body is too fragile. He rarely puts a serious run of games together. He has never had a prolonged period without an injury of some sort. in effect he is only ever good for a maximum of half a season. Jack's story is a little different but he has had a number of serious injuries and at such a young age that has knock on consequences. his style of play also invites challenges. Of course he is a good player but if he spends most of the season injured then the question of his ability is irrelevant. Rambo might also come into that category. Its legitimate to ask the question should they be sold and the money spent on more reliable players. Being out for a week or two with a muscle pull is part and parcel of playing but these guys are nearly always out for months at a time. If a boxer has a glass chin its all over no matter how skilful he is.

  119. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 23, 2015, 16:37 #65528

    john f, it just proves what we already know, he's clueless.

  120. john f

    Jan 23, 2015, 14:20 #65527

    Did anyone pick up on news now arsenal Wenger quotes that he turned to the players for advice on how to play city.call me old fashioned but is it not supposed to be the other way round.

  121. Ron

    Jan 23, 2015, 13:15 #65526

    Hi Chris - i wish we had a team of Brits mate. Really do and thats nothing against the foreign lads in the game. Its all just our opinions though. I just think its fanciful to believe any of the 3 said players will become top players now. They're decent players on a good day. We have a few decent players in the sqaud, but only have one exceptional player. A team wont win the top trophies served like that. 3-4 top calibre players are needed to break Arsenals glass ceiling. The 3 we speak of just happen to be english. Being cynical i wouldn't be at all surprised if the emphasis on 'English' in the last few years wasnt solely because of the inflated sell on values of them. Cash is King at AFC, not the winning of football tournaments.

  122. Gooner Joy

    Jan 23, 2015, 12:59 #65525

    It was a delight to watch the Arsenal play like that. Wenger needs to seize the moment. Hopefully the Gabriel deal will go through. Although it would have been great to buy another CDM but Wenger won't buy another one as Coq is back. Maybe I'm day dreaming but Arsenal need to challenge for the Champions League. We need to win that trophy & maybe the time is now. With lots of luck and good form maybe we could do it. All it takes is belief

  123. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 23, 2015, 12:56 #65524

    SKG, what's HE doing to my beautiful club, Thud,Thud,Thud, we're all at it, this is what he's doing/done to us.

  124. Barnaby

    Jan 23, 2015, 12:54 #65523

    I agree with nada new, the win at man city waso e game, Wenger will try and go back to outplaying big teams at there own ground, I think the next time we go to Chelsea we could lose by double figures,

  125. JAMIE

    Jan 23, 2015, 11:25 #65522

    Lee AFC and jeff wright will play the siamese twins Lee Wong and jeff wright Wong.I thought it far more interesting having two joined who clearly don't get on(akb v wob).Lee is the dominant part of the twins and has control over all the body including the arms and legs and is an Arsenal fanatic and never misses a game and of course nor does jeff.Poor jeff only has control of his head which hangs limply off Lee's left shoulder.Both brothers are constantly quarreling with each other with Lee supporting the gunners whatever while jeff laments that 'rubbish like this just ain't worth the entrance fee'and generally blaming Wenger for the existence he has been dealt.

  126. John F

    Jan 23, 2015, 10:55 #65521

    Charlie do you mean to tell me Wenger is not his dad.Seven kings you may be able to thud a little less as the press are saying Man Utd are trying to hijack the deal.I wonder if Kim kallstrom can play centre half. Thud ,thud, thud now i'm doing it.

  127. Chris

    Jan 23, 2015, 10:12 #65520

    Ron - It would be a diaster is Arsenal starting getting called 'dour, cynical and disciplined'. I'll take the disciplined with open arms; I wouldn't like the cynical any more than I like or liked it on Mourinho's teams or Guardiola's Barca; and as for the dour - there's no place for it on a Premier League pitch - it should be stamped out by all means possible. Going back to your assessment of our three English muskateers - just because you can point to flaws in Wilshere's game, which we all can see, it doesn't follow that the guy is without the promise to be a top, top player. The injuries are a big problem / worry, as without them he would be far ahead of where he is now and with them, the future hangs from a thread... Gibbs has been getting better each season, including his defending, and to suggest Walcott has had a couple of purple patches only completely overlooks the upwards trajectory of his goal scoring stats and improvement in his general play. There's no sentimentalism in those assessments - just as there's no credibility in taking a contrarian view by knocking players for being English, and no kudos to be had from focusing exclusively on perceived flaws in player assessment.

  128. Seven Kings Gooner

    Jan 23, 2015, 8:56 #65519

    "Thud thud thud" that is my head banging on the breakfast table as I read that the centre half (we need urgently) that we are interested in will not be able to play for us because of a work permit! "Thud Thud Thud" I also read AW could have signed Di Maria, 9 years ago, but for those pesky work permits. "Thud Thud Thud" what are they doing to my beautiful club? "Thud Thud Thud"

  129. Charlie George Orwell

    Jan 23, 2015, 8:04 #65518

    According to an article today, Diaby has played his last game for Arsenal. This can mean only one of two things: West Ham have expressed an interest or Wenger has received disappointing DNA results on the Jeremy Kyle show.

  130. DW Thomas

    Jan 23, 2015, 1:12 #65517

    07-08 was a great entertaining season that ended in miserable disappointment. That, like most since, we failed to strengthen with solid quality, and the wheels came off. Never learning, fast forward to now. Coq, a possible gem, forgotten by Arsene, is thankfully playing very well to fill a void that's been there since Viera and Gilberto left. The City win was great, but a few years ago we beat Chelsea, I think like 3-1. Jack and Song played well and that was to be our "blueprint". But lessons are never learned. The ego gets in the way. Penny pinching mindset takes over. And do nothingness prevails. I would love to watch that same squad from the City game play together the rest of the season if they continue to win. I am a huge fan of Ozils talent and vision, but compared to Sachez regularly and Santi on Sunday, he is miles behind. I am a huge fan of Jack, but give performances like Coq any day! And Walcott? If he is the answer, we aren't asking the proper questions! Still, I find myself hopefully, slightly. I daydream that Wenger sent them out to run and gun second half vs City, but the lads have evolved past him and said nah, we're tired of losing these games. We have a very good team, capable of better things than 4th. It just needs finishing!

  131. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 22, 2015, 23:11 #65516

    Hiccup, witchcraft ha ha, or I suppose they could always blame Adebayor's mother.

  132. David

    Jan 22, 2015, 20:58 #65515

    Agreed on the front line. Coq au vin looks good - but as others have stated, it's impossible to draw solid conclusions on the evidence of one game about the team.

  133. jjetplane

    Jan 22, 2015, 20:43 #65514

    'Obviously there is ME' Theo Walcott from 'A life in soundbites.' Amazon £55.99 Free Delivery. Next up is 'Why a WOB' by JAMIE (entertainer and critic of organised religion unless your leader is ....... ) 10p plus postage.

  134. Ron

    Jan 22, 2015, 20:43 #65513

    Hi Cyril. It wouldn't be a bad sign if we started being called dour and disciplined and cynical etc etc etc mate would it. We both know this squad cant make a habit of that though and that AW whinces when they do. The City performance certainly never had his fingerprints on it. They dont need TV now mate. Theyve got Bambi Walcott telling everybody how 'good we are' so no need for the wide screen. To quote Jeff ... you couldnt make it up could you!

  135. Hiccup

    Jan 22, 2015, 20:04 #65512

    Arseneknewbest. I think Paulista will be okay to play for us. If we can prove he's an exceptional talent, then he can have a work permit. Now let's not forget, wenger wil only buy top, top quality. Now I may be jumping the gun here, but I'm assuming that if you are top, top quality, then you must be an exceptional talent? Non? In any case, if he can't obtain a work permit, then we loan him out like we did Joel Campbell. And that's turned out swimmingly hasn't it? It's win, win, win either way.

  136. cyril

    Jan 22, 2015, 19:18 #65511

    hi ron, i read that we will be on the box less than WBA next month. Am i to assume that if we decide to play less like a 'circus act'then we won't be invited to the party for a while. Will the Kremlin lose money due to less TV exposure. May i propose a motion to have a period where we don't have the pi*s ripped out of us for a while. Less schadenfraude and more schneiderlin in my opinion. Did you see what i did there, yawn.. ffs!

  137. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 22, 2015, 19:07 #65510

    JAMIE - I don't want to sound patronising (well I do really) but giving the plot away before you've published your opus is a bit daft. I rather fancy myself in a turquoise negligee if you can fit that into your much-awaited second instalment. The rest of the plot (see 68973 if you want a chuckle) suggests to me that you've spent this afternoon sniffing furniture polish and foraging for mushrooms in your window box - you need to get out more. I hope you're preparing an AMG piece after we sign Paulista and OGL realises that he'll have to loan him to Dukla Prague until he wins 100 caps for Brazil. Only you could make it up.

  138. jeff wright

    Jan 22, 2015, 18:52 #65509

    Hiccup,hang on a mo I can't do what you suggest ,I haven't seen any pigs flying past my window yet ! And despite that win we are still only in 5th place with 12 points less than last term on just 39 points while Chelsea are in first with 52 points.It's uplifting however that after 10 years of failing to finish in the top 2 that Arsene now has it sorted out for a title tilt next season .You couldn't make it up.

  139. Th14afc

    Jan 22, 2015, 17:58 #65508

    I agree Bard...santi has to play every game through the middle and that means mesut for the bench,santi fought hard for every ball and at times took the p iss out of city which is no mean feat,his best ever performance for the gunners...it is too early to say we have turned the corner against the big boys,I hope it means we finally have a plan B rather than just plan A which will never work against the lines of chavski and city

  140. Torbay gooner

    Jan 22, 2015, 17:43 #65507

    Bard, the question is do YOU trust this manager? We know he has his favourites such as Arteta,and Walcott, players that would not say boo to the proverbial goose. Once match fit they will more likely play, whoever the opposition are and regardless of the form of the team. Also, I cannot see him benching Ozil for too many more games, regardless of how well the team might be playing. If you look at the fixture list for the rest of the season we only have 2 games that recent history suggests that we will struggle in ie Chelski in April and Manure in May. All other fixtures are eminently winnable and as such we might not see Plan B/win ugly, whatever you want to call it before then. You may have gathered that I would not trust this manager as far as I could throw him, when it comes to selecting a specific team to win a specific football match. Love to be proved wrong though!

  141. Hiccup

    Jan 22, 2015, 17:33 #65506

    Jeff, I'm a bit more positive about it all. I think we have turned (another) corner. The future looks good. Wenger will make the necessary adjustments in the summer, and we will be good to go for a tilt at the title next year. Your negativity is upsetting me profoundly. Don't you realise after we win a game, you're supposed to come on here and apologise to all and sundry and change your views to pro wenger. Please keep up.

  142. JAMIE

    Jan 22, 2015, 17:03 #65505

    I need a two volunteer's to play alongside Arsenenewbest and Wobbie in tomorrows space adventure.The story involves Mummy who is a staunch Akb and has just invented a space travelling machine.Wobbie thinks it would be great to head back to a match between City and Arsenal in the late seventies (hence missing the game on Sunday)with drag queen Arsenenewbest who claims he knows how to fly the contraption and two siamese Chinese tourist season ticket holding pals in need of being named.Things don't go as planned as they find they struggle to adapt to life in 1970's England.

  143. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 22, 2015, 17:03 #65504

    ArseneKnewBest, going by TOF at the minute it's progressing well but still only fifty fifty, you couldn't make it up.

  144. Chris

    Jan 22, 2015, 16:05 #65502

    Nada New - The ironic thing given your 'name' isn't that you haven't said anything new - everything you said has been said by many hers since Sunday and acknowledged by all known to be supposed 'AKBs'. As if that wasn't bad enough. you can't even be bothered to check basic facts. Before Sunday, Arsenal had gone only 5 games without a win against Citeh, and have now won three of the last 12 league meetings, with a record of 2 wins, 3 draws and 2 losses in the last 7.

  145. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 22, 2015, 15:56 #65501

    Calling JAMIE and the other AKBs. I'm watching this potential Paulista transfer with a little dismay. Nothing certain of course, but IF we sign him and IF he cannot play for many months because he is ineligible, can the rest of us take it as read that you will join us in roundly condemning OGL and the club for another transfer-related fiasco? Hm - I wonder...you'll probably describe it as an investment for the future I suppose May your god be with you, and allow you to continue to entertain us.

  146. jeff wright

    Jan 22, 2015, 15:39 #65500

    It's a bit early yet in my view based on one performance to draw too many conclusions from it .I agree though that the game on Sunday showed that we are capable of defending a lot better than we have been doing under Wenger's tika taka madness over the past few seasons. Wenger's record at home playing this boring overrated football has get him afloat in his annual quest for the 4th place trophy .Unfortunately the tippy tappy tick-tock comes up short away from the perfect pitch at the Emirates when Wenger and our little technicians are faced with different conditions and a hostile crowd ,such as the Stoke one .City have shown a tendency to struggle at home against teams that park the bus with average sides such as championship Wigan beating them at Poundlands. I believe that us scoring first ,curtsey of a dubious penalty, helped out and had City scored first it may have been a different result with us then having to chase the game.It's certainly worth pursuing with the plan B in away games though after all plan A has hardly been a great success .The fact that it has taken Wenger so long to suss this out is a cause for concern , in fact based on previous comments of his it would appear that he doesent like to play as we did on Sunday. He admitted that he did not like the way we played after beating United in the FAC final in 2005 . Also he is not known for admitting to having ever been wrong about anything and indeed he was in denial when asked why the team had not played before as we did on Sunday at Poundlands by trying to imply that t was just our usual way $!!. Wenger obviously though set out his stall to play plan A home and away the performances away all season proves that.If he has now changed tack and will adopt a more pragmatic approach in away games is something that only time will tell. He will still need to find away though to beat the top sides at home where plan B will be about as much use as a chocolate tea-pot. My guess is though that Wenger will soon revert back to plan A in away games because proving his critics wrong is always the main priority for him due to his massive ego.

  147. Hiccup

    Jan 22, 2015, 14:35 #65499

    Like the headline Bard. This performance could be the worst thing to happen to wenger. At least when the top clubs spanked us every season, the fan base just shrugged their shoulders and blamed it on oil, injuries, refs, a full moon, etc. But now we've seen what we are actually capable of, maybe the brain dead part of our fan base might start to expect more from the team? So if wenger reverts to type with his tippy tappy kamikaze style, and results against the top boys follows the trend of the last 5 years, maybe the AKB's might start to pull their heads out of the sand and start questioning what's going on? Actually, what am I talking about? Like hell they will. It's far too comfortable in la la land for them. It will be all down to FFP or witchcraft again.

  148. CT Gooner

    Jan 22, 2015, 14:06 #65498

    Games like last weekend highlight the frustration many of us have with "Le Professor". We know we can field a decent 11, we know that when the team play with the same tactics they can execute (spring two seasons ago for example) and I believe our squads best set up is to hit on the break with speed. Unfortunately the "beautiful game" and personal politics always seem to get in Wengers way...

  149. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 22, 2015, 13:57 #65497

    Nada New, good post, and some had and have the temerity to question others why they didn't join the AKB party and haven't/didn't come in their pants after one good result.

  150. Tony Evans

    Jan 22, 2015, 13:49 #65496

    A Paul Simon song springs to mind - Still Crazy After All These Years. Sums up Wenger nicely.

  151. Peter Wain

    Jan 22, 2015, 13:26 #65495

    It is one performance and the first from Cazorla against a decent side. Still would have fabregas in the side ahead of him. As for the full backs the positional play of both our left and right backs is appalling on the half way line leaving the central defenders exposed game after game. We need a defensive midfield player one of proven quality and at least 6 foot plus. We desperately need a centre half. As for Walcott Wiltshire and Ozil wait and see how they come back from injury and see how consistent there replacements are.

  152. David Brent

    Jan 22, 2015, 12:25 #65493

    JAMIE: Some of us seem to have got off on the wrong foot with you. We didn't like some of the jokes you told earlier. Everyone’s got to chill out, yeah, and trust you, this is what you do, alright? We will never post on a site like this again. This is brilliant. Fact. And we will never have another poster like you. Someone who's basically a chilled out entertainer.

  153. Ron

    Jan 22, 2015, 12:12 #65491

    Nada - Fetch your tin hat mate. You ll be pelted for peeing on the AKB party any time now.Realism doesn't go down too well with them.

  154. Nada New

    Jan 22, 2015, 12:02 #65490

    Sorry but this kind of tactical masterclass is nothing new. I can remember reading the exact same thing after we went away to a Dortmund side last year, that had thrashed Real at home remember, and eeked out a competent, professional 1-0 win away. Dortmund hadn't been beaten at home in Europe for ages but we beat them, clean sheet. Everyone said "Arsene now has a blueprint for the big games" etc etc bla bla bla. And what happened later? Revert to type: 6-0, 6-3, 5-1 and 3-0 thrashings all came later in the season. If this was Wenger's masterplan, why have Arsenal been easily humiliated at Stoke, Chelski and home to United this season? The Coquelin thing isn't tactical genius it is like Flamini in his last season in 2008, an absolute FLUKE. That's what Wenger specialises in. Coquelin is soooo rated by AW that he has been sent away to Freiburg, to Charlton (where they had no interest in a perm deal) and was only recalled mid-season because the idiot of a manager didn't get enough backup for midfield and had the usual comical injury list! It was luck pure and simple. Even the Guardian wrote an article saying it's obvious it was luck and not a tactical plan. Had Arteta been fit he woulda strolled straight into the side as "captain" (LOL). People want to have street parades cos Wenger managed ONE win in Manchester over the past 12 or so attempts. Jesus even Stoke have beaten Citeh at their place this season, I didn't see them having street parties? Face facts: Arsenal are 5th in the table, and before the Citeh game had their worst start to a season in 32 years after 20 games. Simple.

  155. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 22, 2015, 11:47 #65489

    Bard, Shussss, proper footballing side, don't let the lovers of tippy tappy going nowhere, concede three score four, or the anti football brigade hear you saying that, I'm sure bouldy and George Graham are still friends and remain in touch so maybe has been picking his brains. Would it be any loss if a couple of careers are ended, but discard a couple of favourites? more likely to give them a new contract and pay rise.

  156. barnaby

    Jan 22, 2015, 11:39 #65488

    I think we should give diaby another chance, one more big contract after this one lolollol

  157. Ron

    Jan 22, 2015, 11:29 #65487

    Absolutely Chris 'high quality squad players'. Its a few high quality 'pick whenever fit' players that squad needs to become a title challenging team and in m y view they arent it.Walcott s had 9 years nearly to show his mettle and hasnt come through save for 2 maybve 3 little purple patches in the whole of that time. Wilsheres had 5 years. Yes a few knocks, but hes not come thorough either. Hes a master of running up cul de sacs, failing to release the ball and falling over though granted. Gibbs is an injury waiting to happen and has little defensive nous. Hes had 6 years to fulfill his early promise. Not happened at all. Clearly hes a journeyman winger dressed in a full backs clothes.These players are mid twenties or approaching mid twenties. Theyre not 'developing' at all. What you see at that age is what you get save for the odd exceptional example such as Ian Wright. Any other view on these 3 is hopeful and sentimental claptrap based on the colour of the passports, which by the way would guarantee a ludicrous sell on value for them all.The truth is that a different Coach and Club might just be good for these players too.

  158. JAMIE

    Jan 22, 2015, 11:17 #65486

    I have always seen myself mainly as an entertainer.Some of us have it yet sadly most don't.

  159. Chris

    Jan 22, 2015, 11:08 #65485

    Ridiculous idea to sell Gibbs, Walcott and Wilshere. All are at worst high quality squad players (and in Walcott's case you can add impact sub to that as well). Walcott's scoring record recently suggests he could be very valuable in the near future - it was only a year ago that folk on here were saying the failure to replace him after his injury cost us the title, ffs! Gibbs is still devloping, as is Wilshere, albeit he's being hampered by injury, but both are going the right way to be fully worthy of a place in a Championship winning team. And as for the result - no one would have claimed that EITHER team was at full strength before the match but on the strength of that one match and the performance we put in, some seem to be suggesting we were - classic example of circular thinking!

  160. AMG

    Jan 22, 2015, 11:00 #65484

    Bard, think you're jumping the gun a bit. 1 result is all it is at the end of the day. I have witnessed some truly woeful performances from Cazorla this season and last - true most of them came when he was played wide. What this result highlights is that we have a diverse squad (excluding the defence) that will enable us to play a range of different approaches to suit the opposition - Matching the team and the tactics to the opposition is not what Wenger does though unfortunately. I think the result at the weekend was more likely an infinite monkey cage phenomenon than tactical genius - The team pretty much picked (and managed) itself. The likes of Ozil and Walcott, may be more suited to breaking down a high pressure, high up the pitch defence than the more immobile Cazorla and the Ox with his lesser ability to make the right runs at the right time. I hope that the approach of tailoring our line up to suit the opposition catches on, but I'm not counting my chickens. I'd say you're right about Coquelin, but le prof seems to have a real hard on for Arteta, so who knows?

  161. Alsace

    Jan 22, 2015, 10:44 #65483

    Spot on Badger. I was swearing at the television as well early second half. Someone has to be on the pitch imposing that discipline. The only one I've ever seen doing that recently (ie last season) was Flanimal. Obviously it can't be done if Wenger sticks to his headless chicken theory of football, which I fear he will once the pressure is off. A team shouldn't have to engage in on the field mutiny in order to achieve a sensible game plan. Wenger remains a danger to him self and to others. He cant be trusted to learn. We shall see.

  162. Tony Evans

    Jan 22, 2015, 10:33 #65482

    It is hardly surprising that the realists on this site are unable to shake off their cloak of negativity on the strength of one good performance. History tells us to expect the worst from Wenger: lessons will continue to go on being unlearned; one great performance is quickly followed by the mediocre again; much needed transfer targets are missed for whatever reason; Wenger's pet favourite players are quickly restored to the team whether or not their form merits it and the perennial sick notes of the squad continue to be indulged by Uncle Arsene. I would love to feel positive about my club again but find it virtually impossible to do so under Wenger and it will take much more than the City match for me to trust him again. Great win and I loved it but that is as far as it goes for me.

  163. JAMIE

    Jan 22, 2015, 10:25 #65480

    My two great interests in life are religion and football.When I say religion I don't mean all that going round doing good deed stuff that a lot try to do or attending religious events and doing charity work.I have always found that a bit tiresome boring and rather fake.I mean having a great life doing exactly what I want yet knowing everything is controlled by a higher source a form of calvinism without mortification.Has always worked well for me...

  164. Brdgunner

    Jan 22, 2015, 10:18 #65479

    Bloody hell, I knew Santi having a good game would mean Ozil being attacked and moaned about. Why can't we back our players? Ozil virtually matches Silvas stats from last season. So surely, one can't be the best and the other be a flop? No one is saying he is perfect, but even if he is on the bench, why be rude and disrespectful to such a talented player, an Arsenal player?

  165. Ron

    Jan 22, 2015, 9:59 #65478

    Youre getting carried away i suspect by the shock of seeing a Wenger team not s--tt--g itself at the ground of a big Club. Yes they had shape that was surely influenced the players of maybe Bould or perhaps a combo of both.They shown some discipline too. Maybe a few players had imbued it in the rest of the posers and selfie crew we carry every week. Lets look at it coldly though. 1. Its one match 2. We ve seen the odd disciiplined performance be pulled out of a hat from nowhere before. 3. City have had a defeat coming for a few weeks and have been far from impenetrable in recent weeks. 4. Aguero was half fit as was Kompany 5. It was a very soft pen expertly conned by Monreal 6. City missed 2 good chances of their own. 7. Wenger caught Pellegrini off guard with these tactics and City couldnt adapt to suit when they had expected gung ho and a million holes at the back for Silva to get into. It was a good welcome win. Reality is that this squad cant play in such a disciplined way very often even if they were allowed to. Cazorla hasnt just morphed into a great midfield schemer/runner. Hes been average for ages but did have a good game in this one off agreed. Can he do that every week? We know that he cant. The needed players that so many have called for for so long are still needed. Agree with you on Wilshere Gibbs and Wally, neither are much more required in that squad than is Diaby. The Club could do worse than move them all on this Summer while the myth that they are 'great' players still lingers. Get them on their feet and i d say bye bye to them quick smart. Ozil is worth testing a bit longer before the Seasons end but if he doesnt show, sell him as well albeit a massive loss will be borne of it. Theres some money then to buy durable and resilient players. Lastly, we shdt let Wenger spend the proceeds. Its time he went and a new man, with a streak of nastiness and selfishness be brought in to re construct and change the ethos of the Club is very much needed. Put the call out to Mr Abramovitch in May for Jose Mourinho. We could just get lucky. JM would relish taking charge of the 2nd biggest Club in the PL and it would go some way to him missing out on the OT job which had Man Utd had any sense he would have got. Hes a modern day hybrid Brian Clough/GG. Just what we need but more importantly just what Arsenal needs. Wenger out. Nothing changed for me over one match v a misfiring Man City.

  166. Red Member

    Jan 22, 2015, 9:48 #65477

    much as I would like to see Cazorla do well the problem is his age. At 31 he is hardly to going to be the future of the central Arsenal midfield for very long

  167. John F

    Jan 22, 2015, 9:45 #65476

    Bard my thoughts exactly.Credit to Wenger for the team selection and shape of the side on Sunday.He does however have a history of tinkering with the side.I can go back to Ljungberg who was changed to playing out wide after being really effective playing through the middle and bursting into the box.Ramsey a few seasons back was starting to find form in the middle then was switched out wide which affected his confidence.The list could go on.My worry is that he will put Cazorla out wide again.I hope he takes notice of the old adage "If it aint broke don't fix it".

  168. Vusi

    Jan 22, 2015, 9:16 #65475

    I think we have a good side a very very good and versatile squad we will buy players people should stop it with the negativity....

  169. Unchives

    Jan 22, 2015, 9:14 #65474

    We must be careful not to put too much emphasis on one performance, knowing Wenger, it was an accident never to be repeated. As for signings, for someone that has been pre-warned of the necessity to sign defensive back-up for months (Years), he seems to be struggling to find anyone or he is penny pinching again. Didn't the imbecile prepare a list? Gazidis has his "Regrets speech" ready for the quite useless AST in June.

  170. smithy

    Jan 22, 2015, 8:42 #65473

    Monreal or Gibbs? Neither is good enough. Both are back up defenders, for the future we need a left back who can stay fit, on his feet and is excellent defensively first and offer an excellent cross going forward.

  171. Tony Evans

    Jan 22, 2015, 8:29 #65472

    Bard - I am sure you are writing this more in hope than expectation and all we can do is pray that Wenger does indeed seize the moment. He should do all you suggest, but if he stays true to form he will bring back his favourites come what may ASAP, and the likes of Coquelin will find himself warming the bench at best. Ozil will somehow be squeezed into the midfield even if his inclusion un-balances the shape of the team. He will keep injury prone Gibbs like he has Diaby and potential transfer targets will remain just paper talk. As for Wilshire I really do not know what to make of him - too good to let go or far to inconsistent and injury prone to keep?

  172. Shakie

    Jan 22, 2015, 8:22 #65471

    I liked the post and don't like to jump on the bandwagon but moving on Gibbs and keeping monreal....really? Monreal doesn't ever tackle he's just happy to get the blocks in. For me, Gibbs everyday.

  173. Badger

    Jan 22, 2015, 8:19 #65470

    It was great that at the start of the second half there was a 10 - 15 minute period where they reminded us of how cavalier they can be and how dangerously exposed it makes them look. It almost was as though they forgot how to play the new way and it took them 15 minutes to clear their heads and settle back into their own half. Lets hope this is the start of something new.