Holders March On

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Holders March On


Two years ago, in the 4th Round of the FA Cup, Brighton 2 Arsenal 3. And so it was yesterday, although on this occasion, the visitors were ahead for all but the opening couple of minutes of the tie.

It was a very changed Arsenal side from that which had triumphed at the Etihad the previous weekend. This observer was interested to see if the mindset in Manchester was continued, in terms of the team’s focus, and certainly for the first half hour, this looked to be the case. Brighton were nullified completely as quality build-up play and finishing led to a 2-0 comfort zone.

The team seemed to relax a little at that stage, and Brighton had a couple of half decent opportunities before the interval. This momentum continued after the interval and some pretty poor defensive work, especially from Flamini, gave them a sniff of hope.

Arsenal woke up and re-established the two goal cushion, before letting Chris Hughton’s team back into the game with another questionable bit of defending, failing to get tight to their opponents, allowing them the time and space to score a goal similar to Arsenal’s second by Ozil.

The conclusion would be that a midfield of Flamini, Ramsey and Rosicky would not have achieved the same result as last Sunday’s triangle of Coquelin, Cazorla and Ramsey against Manchester City. Mentally, they either switched off at the key times or simply weren’t good enough in certain situations as a unit. That last weekend’s midfield were assisted by Alexis and Oxlade-Chamberlain rather than Ozil and Walcott is almost certainly another factor in keeping this match alive until the final whistle when it should have been done and dusted long before.

Still, it’s horses for courses. The players given game time yesterday were in need of a run out, and were good enough to get the club into the fifth round draw, so on that level objective achieved. It’s certainly one that the weakened teams of the top two in the Premier League could not manage, in spite of being at home. However, there is a feeling, comparing the last two performances, that in the top games, Arsenal cannot afford passengers. And sad to say, in terms of being switched on and disciplined, playing both Ozil and Walcott is probably one unfocussed player too many, whilst Flamini patently isn’t up to the job any more. The same surely applies to Arteta, who does not seem to have the necessary anticipation to cut out danger. The run of matches to come will hopefully see Coquelin restored to the starting line-up, with the visit to Tottenham telling us whether Arsene Wenger has seen the light and is prepared to sacrifice the beautiful game for a winning one by selecting the same eleven that started at the Etihad, assuming Oxlade-Chamberlain is fit again by then.

There were some bright spots yesterday. The three goals were all well-fashioned and delightfully finished. Tomas Rosicky put in a real captain’s performance and was key in a lot of the good things the team did. He performed in the fashion of Santi Cazorla last week. Calum Chambers had a better game at right back than a few of his shaky outings of late.

So a mixed performance, although changing the side to the extent the manager did, this was always likely to be the case. Wojciech Szczesny would now seem to be the domestic cup keeper, and the defence did not look quite as assured in the air yesterday as they did at Manchester City when high balls came flying into the box. Ospina will presumably be given the chance to fail rather than Szczesny returning to first team favour so soon.

So Arsenal continue to progress on three fronts, and the results on Saturday will certainly have given the club plenty of encouragement that retaining the FA Cup might be a less demanding task than it might have been. And what’s this? Almost a full week before the close of the transfer window, a defender has been signed? Who is fit to play immediately? Who’d have thought it? Perhaps there is some hope after all. Although then again, there is always that pesky little matter of a work permit…

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  1. Mike Collins

    Jan 28, 2015, 15:42 #65793

    I'm late in on this discussion but, to recap, we beat a poor Championship side while conceding two goals. That's not a big problem as we got through but I'd like to see more of Oxlade-Chamberlain's passes going to a team-mate rather than astray, and more defensive resolve as witnessed in the excellent win at the Etihad. Give us those and a following wind and we will sweep all before us (ahem).

  2. Tony Evans

    Jan 28, 2015, 14:08 #65789

    Have to agree with Ron in that Arsenal (although a domestic class act) don't feature at all when you start considering Europe's elite clubs. Sadly we just haven't taken any opportunity to build a lasting dynasty, a European legacy. We struggle for years to reach the top only to slide back down again a year or so later, rather than cementing our position and having a real stab at the CL or EC as it once was.

  3. jeff wright

    Jan 28, 2015, 14:02 #65788

    Wenger's failures in Europe, his record is a lamentable one of Pyrrhic victories and heroic defeats is the biggest argument against him being considered a great coach . No coach at any top club ever had 18 years to succeed in their quest for a Euro trophy ,some had to do with just a few seasons,or even one!

  4. Ron

    Jan 28, 2015, 13:34 #65781

    Westie - i dont use the word 'can'. Liverpool are euro elite, so are United, as are Milan and Juve and others with multiple titles and its gonna be a long time before Liverpool or any of them win it again, yet alas if if i were a gambler id put cash on Liverpool and Utd from these shores and such as Milan from abroad winning it before Arsenal. There are many variables you can factor in to define 'elite'. One inescapable one though is 2 or 3 wins of old big ears. The bookies can stuff their odds. AFC are not even at the races. You need to get the blinkers off old buddy. Bookies odds dont make Arsenal euro elite and never will. PS Man City arent close to elite either. Theyre a lesser candidate for that status than even Arsenal.Much of Europe's top brass hardly recognise the Club yet.

  5. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 28, 2015, 13:28 #65780

    Westlower, AFC are 12 points behind where they were this time last year in the league and look at Stan's teams in the US. The juggernaut is going around and around in circles at best, and this suits the business model just fine whilst it keep selling the likes you the idea of 'evolution'. Look at the facts, not what Ivan and Arsene tell you. Big changes in vision, ambition and coaching required for AFC to reach the euro elite.

  6. Tony Evans

    Jan 28, 2015, 12:41 #65773

    Westie / Ron - don't forget Hawley's partner in crime Ray Hankin. Not sure which one was worse.

  7. Westlower

    Jan 28, 2015, 12:38 #65772

    @Ron, If your definition of elite is confined to only clubs who can win the Champions League then presently only RMadrid, Barca, BMunich, AMadrid, CFC & Man City qualify. These are the 6 favourites in the betting to be ECL outright winner. Arsenal are next best as 7th in the list & also seeded pre-tournament in 7th spot. PSG 8th, Juventus 9th, BDortmund 10th. AFC is still evolving, albeit not quick enough for some. To use a much used word we are on the cusp of becoming your definition of the elite. AFC is a slow moving juggernaught but it's still moving forward. We've avoided falling into the trap that beset Leeds by reaching for the moon too soon. At Arsenal the hard work is already done & we have some interesting times ahead methinks! How our envious close neighbours would love to be in our position.

  8. Ron

    Jan 28, 2015, 11:29 #65769

    Westie - ps yr stretching the definition of 'elite' to its limits in euro football to include Arsenal in it. They're not. Nowhere near. They have the imagery of it and the strange footie snobbishness that seems to pervade large sections of Arsenals support have kidded themselves that theyre euro elite. No way. A Club needs the trappings and surroundings of what Arsenal have plus 2 maybe 3 CL wins as a minimum under its belt to claim elite status. I wouldnt say AFC will never win the CL but to be honest its very unlikely. Certainly Wenger wont ever win it with AFC. Hes too tactically pedestrian by comparison to the Coaches who do claim it. I dont think the Club even aspire to be one of Europe's elite. They never have and im equally sure the top table European Clubs dont recognise AFC as one of their 'club'. Why should they? AFC make the numbers up in Europe.

  9. Ron

    Jan 28, 2015, 11:16 #65768

    Westie - i think AFC is a Club of its time now and has been shaped to suit the modern day football climate and realities. Its stable as you say. It always was though mate. Ive lost a lot of interest and motivation for football in truth, not just Wenger and AFC in fairness. For the money thats in it vis the product it is, its a pretty poor deal for the punter nowadays in my view. Its very sad and i do honestly feel for the younger fans who know nothing better. Hawley? He d be my automatic pick in our best comedy 11 mate! In fairness he was bought and asked to play at a level he couldnt cope with and the lad has admitted that in the past. Credit and respect to him and its better to have tried and failed than never to have tried at all. There are many others who could make up the comedy first team with him too.

  10. Westlower

    Jan 28, 2015, 9:07 #65764

    @Johnf, I'm surprised Ron didn't offer up John Hawley for your worst ever team. Good point about Jimmy Rimmer keeping us up in the dire days of the mid 70's. So disappointing after thinking we'd dominate English football after winning the double in 70/71, followed by the massive signing of Alan Ball. Although we were runners up in 72/73, we then fell apart finishing 10th in 73/74, 16th in 74/75, 17th in 75/76. Dark days indeed. Love him or hate him, the Wenger era has stabilized Arsenal in the elite of English/European football. I've experienced many dips in my lifetime of supporting AFC and thankfully the bad times seem to be consigned to history. We may have had better teams but this club is stronger now than it's ever been.

  11. John f

    Jan 27, 2015, 21:51 #65759

    Westie I can not disagree with your teams although I would of put Jimmy Rimmer as a sub in the English one.Without him and Kidd we could of easily gone down in 1975.How our history might of changed if we had.

  12. Westlower

    Jan 27, 2015, 21:01 #65758

    @David, I entirely agree that Jack Kelsey was a great GK. Unfortunately I only saw him play a few times as I was still a schoolboy when he played & my choices were biased towards keepers I saw regularly. It was also a pleasure being able to talk to Jack in the club shop after he retired from playing. It's only when you list a greatest X1 you realise how many wonderful players are left out. Definition of a great club I guess! @Johnf, Good choice for worst X1.

  13. Johnf

    Jan 27, 2015, 20:33 #65755

    My worst Arsenal team would be Richard Wright, Gus Caesor,Cygan,Squillaci,Santos, Mcgoldrick,Denilson,jenson,Jimmy Carter, Kiwomya,Meade. Subs Chapman,,Blockley,Almunia,Bendtner.

  14. David

    Jan 27, 2015, 20:01 #65752

    @Westlower - excellent choices for English and Celt sides - can't agree on goal keepers though. Others were good, but Kelsey was great.

  15. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 27, 2015, 19:40 #65751

    jw, yes we still keep hearing that even today, i'm sure we all remember hearing the same thing ten years ago, and like old faithful shep who has been tied to a lamp post and abandoned still they wait and wait and still haven't caught on.

  16. David

    Jan 27, 2015, 19:29 #65750

    @Charlie George Orwell - sorry mate...If he had played in the 90s, we would have been left with the innocent memory of Nayim lobbing Kelsey from the halfway line.

  17. jeff wright

    Jan 27, 2015, 18:41 #65748

    MG,only the other day dear Jamie was informing us that Arsene was putting together a team to 'dominate football'. .You couldn't make it up.

  18. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 27, 2015, 18:10 #65745

    jw, like I said earlier they're still waiting for him to turn water into wine, even after all this time.

  19. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 27, 2015, 17:42 #65744

    Bard, the rarely injured tag will not last long when OGL and his out of date regime get their claws into him with their out of date methods.

  20. jjetplane

    Jan 27, 2015, 15:54 #65741

    Uh Best Arsenal team ever - Pires, Wiltord and Kanu. Fill in the other bits yourselves.

  21. jeff wright

    Jan 27, 2015, 15:22 #65739

    It's amazing how according to Arsene and the players in them that every current side since the 2004 one is ,or was ,better than them! Results however suggest otherwise and it is a RESULTS GAME. You couldn't make it up.I stick with my view that Wenger can cobble together any number of different combinations of these current players and still get the same sort of results good ;or bad. These players are capable of looking like world beaters in some games going forward but as Ron pointed out earlier they don't have the overall balance between attack and defence that title winning sides and European Cup winners have . The result of this is that they are just a 4th place finish in the Prem, or the odd third place , if one of the top 3 sides implodes and FAC challengers when Wenger feels the need for this. The whole thing is a massive illusion orchestrated by the master of illusion Monsieur Wenger. However the thousands of empty seats at home games shows that a good few supporters have sussed out the illusion and want to see a different approach tactically than the one that we have endured for donkeys years under Wenger's inept management. It's no surprise to many that the defensive approach at City has been revealed to have been down to the players this deja vu echoes the Cup final win over United in 2005 when that was also the case. United had the best strike force in the Prem that season with Ronaldo,Rooney and Van Nistelroy who had beaten us 4-2 at Highbury earlier in the league and no doubt Bergkamp and co could see a similar result occurring if they went out trying to play Wenger's usual gung-ho let's see who can score the most goals way. There are times when you need a plan B and that is something that Wenger never has ,then again he doesn't really have any plan at all other than the attacking moves that he coaches on the training pitch .This is all a bit rather one dimensional and is the chief reason why he has failed to win a trophy in Europe for us despite having had 18 years in which to do so and that is also the reason why he has failed to win a league title as well since the Invincible side in 2004 .Even they were only Invincible in the league that is a big step up though on winning the FAC atrophy that sides such as Portsmouth under 'arry and Wigan managed by Martinez have also done in recent times. We beat Brighton 3-2 but had they been Barcelona it could easily have been 4-2 to them .We lost a 3-0 lead to Anderlecht at home in another game that we were coasting in at 3-0 so obviously there is still a defensive problem that better sides than lowly Brighton could exploit .I still see no evidence that Wenger is any nearer to winning the European Cup than he ever was but that will not stop some from believing that he can.

  22. Charlie George Orwell

    Jan 27, 2015, 15:08 #65738

    David: I've rather not discuss seaman over Kelsey thank you very much. And thank you for putting me off my lunch.

  23. Westlower

    Jan 27, 2015, 15:02 #65737

    Best Irish/Scots/Welsh X1, limited to players I've seen. Jennings, Rice, McLintock, O'Leary, Nelson, Kelly, Graham, Brady, Tapscott, Stapleton, Herd. Subs: Wilson, McCullough, Young, Henderson, MacLeod, Nicholas.

  24. Seven Kings Gooner

    Jan 27, 2015, 14:41 #65735

    Sorry Ron missed your second post - Vieira, with Storey as his minder now that I would loved to have seen!!

  25. Ron

    Jan 27, 2015, 14:23 #65734

    SKG - Im entitled 2 more subs arent i mate? On that basis ill add O Leary and Raddie.

  26. Westlower

    Jan 27, 2015, 14:20 #65733

    Best ever English X1 since 1960, current players not considered. Seaman, Storey, Adams, Simpson, Sansom, Parlour, George, Eastham, Armstrong, Radford, Baker. Subs: Lukic, McNab, Bould, Rocastle, Kennedy, Smith.

  27. Ron

    Jan 27, 2015, 14:12 #65732

    SKG - I've got big Pat in there mate.

  28. Westlower

    Jan 27, 2015, 14:03 #65731

    @Red Member, I agree that 9/4 appears to represent skinny odds but if you approach it from the angle that only 4 clubs, AFC, CFC, Man U & L'pool have won the FA Cup 19 times in the past 23 years. That's an 82.6% success rate, equating to odds of 1/5, with CFC gone 9/4 (30.7%) may yet be a good bet. I backed AFC & Man U at 6/1 (14.3%) before round 3 & I'll be backing L'pool at 7/1 (12.5%)to cover my Arse! The 3 bets combined = 41% (6/4), so historically I've got double the true odds of 82%. BOGOF, Buy One Get One Free!

  29. Seven Kings Gooner

    Jan 27, 2015, 13:55 #65730

    Ron : What a team you pick, you will need a sub goalie, how about Jimmy Rimmer?

  30. Ron

    Jan 27, 2015, 13:45 #65727

    Sorry guys - re hash needed 4 4 2 Wilson Anderson Sansom Storey Adams McLintock Brady Vieira Bergkamp Baker Henry Subs : Jennings Parlour MacDonald Eastham Armstrong

  31. Ron

    Jan 27, 2015, 13:30 #65724

    Playing 4 4 2 but with Bergy 'in the hole' - Wilson Anderson Sansom McLintock Adams Storey Vieira Brady Baker Henry Armsrong Subs Petitt Eastham Jennings MacDonald Parlour - Manager - G Graham

  32. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 27, 2015, 13:11 #65723

    Westlower, Wally and Wenger have just said the current forward line is better than the Invincibles. Yet you've got Bergkamp, Overmars and Henry in there over anyone from the current line up. By disagreeing with them you are only conditionally supporting your club. There is no place for your anti-Arsenal views here.

  33. Westlower

    Jan 27, 2015, 13:02 #65722

    @David, The best GK is not confined to Kelsey & Seaman as Wilson, Jennings, Lukic, Lehmann are in with a good shout. It's so hard to choose between players from different eras so I'll chicken out and list my all time favourite X1 instead: Wilson, Storey, McLintock, Adams, Sansom, Vieira, Bergkamp, Brady, Overmars, Henry, Armstrong. Subs: Seaman, Lauren, Simpson, Petit, Eastham, Baker.

  34. Red Member

    Jan 27, 2015, 12:37 #65719

    westlower - the results at the weekend should tell you that bookmakers odds really dont mean a great deal. Chelsea were 1/10 to beat Bradford. As I am sure you are aware 9/4 on Arsenal to win the cup offers absolutely no value at all.

  35. Ron

    Jan 27, 2015, 11:00 #65712

    They can put any centre half they can find in that defence however good he may be and not much will change. Defensive work is about coaching as much if not more than innate player ability and it about coaching how to knit a defence together with a midfield. Mid field play is about reading a game and calls for less coaching and more cerebral emphasis by the players subject to them responding to the defensive coaching objectives. Forward play is more about ad hoc flair subject to a level of coaching that calls for forwards to need to be aware of the times they do need to track back and assist things behind them. Wengers defensive coaching has been seen for many years to be pitifully lacking. Westie - 3rd or 4th, its still ground hog day however much you want to dress it up in a frilly frock!Perhaps aborting the FAC might suit you so to allow OGL to push for the glory of 3rd in a non tired manner?

  36. Tony Evans

    Jan 27, 2015, 10:25 #65711

    7 Kings - Don't worry mate I haven't crossed the line to AKB Central and I am sure Wenger will find plenty of ways to nip my tiny bit of optimism in the bud.

  37. David

    Jan 27, 2015, 9:50 #65710

    A note to Westlower and Badarse (Where are ya?,where are ya? let's be 'avin ya)- the Telegraph have an interesting 'best Arsenal XI of all time' - they've got Seaman over Kelsey. discuss.

  38. Seven Kings Gooner

    Jan 27, 2015, 9:34 #65709

    Steady on guys - we have n't signed Paulista yet and if we do under our defensive coaching regime anything can happen. Once the Brazilian has his daily doses of keratin and "gung ho juice" and catches "high ball fever" which is rife in our dressing room we may all be wishing we had Djourou back!

  39. Bard

    Jan 27, 2015, 8:53 #65708

    Westie I have actually been quite hopeful especially for a wob, but its a bit smoke and mirrors at the club. The city result gave us all a life but I guess I need to see that kind of performance on a more regular basis to be convinced. My view is that your hopefulness Westie doesnt take into account the amount of money we have spent. For a 100m plus we should be top 4 as a minimum.

  40. Tony Evans

    Jan 27, 2015, 8:53 #65707

    Bard - I detect a slightly more upbeat note too, probably based on nothing more than the encouraging defensive performance at City and another FA Cup run. Also Wenger seems to have done a deal for Paulista who sounds like he might be the no nonsense centre half we have been crying out for. If we can get Schniederlin in the summer to add to Coquelin we might be in business. It's the mistrust of Wenger that is holding me back from being too optimistic but are we at last seeing some light at the end of the tunnel? On a separate note I was surprised to hear Sanogo had scored for Palace until I actually saw his corner flag bound effort deflecting in off a defender's head!

  41. Westlower

    Jan 27, 2015, 8:46 #65706

    @Bard, Groundhog day again for you as you've woken up in your usual pessimistic manner. I take issue with your predictably gloomy forecasts. My take is we'll finish at least 3rd in PL & will be into the 1/4 finals of the ECL. Clear favourites to retain the FA Cup after a favourable draw. Injured players returning. Stability at the club, no John Carver type nonsense for AFC. New signings coming on board, so what's to be miserable about - unless you are a dedicated WOB of course? We're bound to lose again before the season ends, so maybe that'll cheer you up?

  42. Bard

    Jan 27, 2015, 8:31 #65705

    Boro are a potential banana skin if we dont get at it. They are very good defensively. Pleased we have signed Paulista or almost. I read he is very rarely injured so Im surprised we went in for him.Alternatively he hasnt experienced the Arsenal bad luck as described by Westie. Debuchy had a good fitness record before he came to us. There seems slightly more hopefulness on the site recently. Its not clear why. Everything remains the same. We still have no chance in the CL. FAC is our best bet and 4th looks the best we can do. All that for 100m worth of investment, the most Arsenal have ever put into the team in any one season.You would think questions might be asked and they probably would at any other club, but in the Arsenal bubble silence and gratitude is the name of the game.

  43. Dark Hei

    Jan 27, 2015, 4:32 #65704

    What will be the deciding factor for the WOs and the AKBs? For the AKBs, my guess is that falling out of the top 4 will see the AKBs convert. For the WOs, it is a little harder as the scale differs from one to the other, since Wenger is the helm. 1. Win a trophy 2. Win the league 3. Win the treble 4. Never......

  44. Mathew

    Jan 27, 2015, 4:06 #65703

    Arsenal playing at home against Boro has increased a 10% winning chance anyway, so expect it to be a good match. I just wish to see Ramsey back to his best, glad that Wenger still holds his confidence. Rosicky is an old war horse kept himself warm on the benches for half of the season. Hopefully we get rid of Arteta and Flamini by the end of the season and Morgan Schnederlin & Coq can take over.

  45. DW Thomas

    Jan 27, 2015, 3:07 #65702

    How did you know I am only 4 feet tall with red hair Jamie? Was it one of your all seeing all knowing visions again? We dominated the game but only won 3-2. Bad defending and poor finishing again. Vs a bigger better club we'd have stunk out the place. I like our squad a lot and if Coq persists, we just might have filled our much needed DM slot by complete and total accident. Shame Wenger can't recognize the best 11 when they show it by performances. Rosicky has been class for ages. Great touch, high work rate, good attitude. But the Wenger favorites have kept him out too often. For all Walcott's speed, he looks scared to take anyone on. I think he knows his dribbling is so sub par, that whenever too little space is behind, he knows he can't control well enough to get past defenders. He needs space behind to be effective. A team sitting back nullifies him mostly. Chambers is fast becoming the new kid hung out to dry. I like him, but he needs a mentor to show him how to defend better. He and Flam looked weak. Sanchez got a good taste of English football. Yet, he should have been protected more by the ref. Not to make excuses, but his time on the field was hack filled. Don't know why Wenger felt the need to play him at all. If we can go on a good long unbeaten run, maybe we can all feel some things have changed. Still would feel too little too late AGAIN!

  46. Th14afc

    Jan 27, 2015, 0:18 #65701

    Can't complain about the fa cup draw...not been disrespectful to boro who are flying high in the championship & beat city but arsenal should definitely have too much for them at home,obviously glad we avoided utd & Liverpool (providing they go through) john f....I did know that about Taylor,arsenal will have to make sure they don't give him any excuse to ruin our game...he had a shocker in the corresponding fixture last season didn't he,prob a spud in disguise

  47. John F

    Jan 26, 2015, 23:33 #65700

    Rosicky is a class player I do hope he is not relegated to the bench against the spuds.The same team that played city with Rosicky in for Ramsey will do me. The Villa match has got a bit tougher as we will have the same ref as last years game Taylor.He has sent off three of our players in his last four Arsenal matches.

  48. Dougal

    Jan 26, 2015, 22:40 #65699

    I am afraid my friend Brian has been unable to post tonight.He has been out on the town with Dylan and I believe Wacky backy and a dodgy Ruby Murray was involved.As a result he has got a badarse.Florence says give Chambers a chance he is only young and has got potential. He was thrown in the deep end to soon and that has affected his confidence.Boing time for bed.

  49. JAMIE

    Jan 26, 2015, 22:17 #65698

    The bookies are making an Arsenal v Manure final the most likely at 4/1 next comes Arsenal v LPool at 7/1 3rd Manure v LPool 8/1 and 4th most likely Arsenal v our old friends Stoke at 14/1.jeff will love all his friends from the potteries invading the OG.

  50. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 26, 2015, 22:14 #65697

    Own Goal, yes a good post, and you can just imagine OGL standing in the dressing room telling the players that (with mental strength and spirit thrown in) and the players looking at each other trying not to laugh.

  51. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 26, 2015, 21:27 #65696

    jw, danny boy does find himself in a bit of a predicament if he has to fight it out with Sir wally as there's only going to be one winner there, unless wally permanently loses his voice.

  52. Westlower

    Jan 26, 2015, 21:08 #65695

    After the 5th round draw, Arsenal are now clear favourites to win FA Cup, generally 9/4. Also 4/5 to reach final. Hot favourites at 1/3 to qualify in ECL against Monaco. 20/1 to win ECL outright. 5/4 for top 3 finish in PL.

  53. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 26, 2015, 20:03 #65693

    Exeter, ah yes the great wenger master plan,( one of many) i remember them well, (don't we all) they've been brought up and touted by his followers so many times over the years, and as you allude to it's/their still on going, give him time, he'll get it right, he knows what he's doing (cough), it'll all come good, ten years on and we're still here and no further on, and his disciples are still waiting for water to be turned into wine. You couldn't make it up.

  54. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 26, 2015, 20:02 #65692

    Boro at home, Paulista's signature and some positive left wing regime change in Greece. They say good things come in threes. Kevin - although you don't say so explicitly, to imply that we are in the hunt in three competitions is a serious distortion of reality. FA Cup or bust I think. At the very best, we can expect to get beyond Monaco before the big boys take over in the CL, and if we go on a run we can possibly secure third and celebrate St Totteringham's day a little earlier than in the recent past. Only Feo and JAMIE would suggest otherwise. Hoping to cruise past Villa and win at the lane - now that would be pleasant.

  55. jeff wright

    Jan 26, 2015, 19:52 #65691

    Boro at home should be a doddle the other top dogs still in the Cup avoided each other though so still some work to do , but we take what we can from it and it beats chasing the ( yawn) Arsene 4th place trophy . leeKFC I need a deciphering machine to try and make sense of your garbled post. Egyptian hieroglyphics make more sense.

  56. Jason

    Jan 26, 2015, 19:45 #65689

    I've been in the Wenger out Camp for ages, but can some of you please stop moaning for the sake of moaning!!!! We have one of the worlds great players in Sanchez, we have a fantastic array of attacking players, we changed our tactics to beat Man City, we have just signed a new defender, Wenger has dropped the arrogant Szczesny, and we have a favourable draws in the Champions League and FA Cup. IT'S NOT ALL DOOM AND GLOOM!!!!!!!

  57. Unchives

    Jan 26, 2015, 19:35 #65687

    Middlesbrough in the draw at home, cant complain. COYG!

  58. Lee afc

    Jan 26, 2015, 19:30 #65686

    Hey "always".... For the record, Manuel pellegrini is Chilean and always will be..... Germany are definately world cup holders... Personally, I don't think badarse is a liar..... Roma play in purple and yellow and Napoli play in light blue.....I can go on and on like yourself but thats enough of your howlers.

  59. Bard

    Jan 26, 2015, 19:21 #65684

    Great post Own Goal, perfect exposition of why Wally will never be a great player. Jamie keep it up mate youre on a roll. I notice Pete is no longer with us presumably he has departed this world for Wenger Heaven and left it to bro to fight the fight. I think you will need better allies than Lee. His posts are the literary equivalent of a primeval grunt. They are about as stimulating as the proverbial tub of lard.

  60. jeff wright

    Jan 26, 2015, 19:14 #65683

    MG, Wenger's used the lacking sharpness ( fatigue) excuse for years after a bad result . Westies claims that City were fatigued and that Aqulero was not fit so this impacted on City in their defeat at home looks a bit dodgy when Wally and Ozil both scored in our game after being out for longer than the Argie was.But hey if Arsene says that player fatigue is the reason for bad results then it must be true non ! As I pointed out before City playing that promotional game away in the middle east a coupe of days before their cup tie,they only arrived back the day before it shows how much they rated the FAC tie.They wouldnt have done that before the crunch game with the chavs or before a Champs League tie either. But what do I know when we have geniuses on here like Westie , Jamie and of course if Ivan says it's true then it must be ,leeKFC........ On another what's happened to Danny Boy will he now have to fight it out with Wally for a place ? It looks like exactly the same situation for desperate Dan that he was in at United . You couldn't make it up .

  61. jjetplane

    Jan 26, 2015, 19:10 #65682

    Really think you need to get back to work and I bet you are the type who never leaves a wet floor cone out after you've mopped up .....

  62. JAMIE

    Jan 26, 2015, 19:01 #65681

    I generally find jeff's posts quite amusing yet he and his gang look so much on the negatives they've forgotten how to enjoy themselves.All the grumbling, navel gazing and staring out the window saying alas alas..along with all this constant meditating about Wenger cannot be good for their health let alone sanity. I have tried to cheer these folk up by making them key players in my brilliant sketches yet all they do is say I'm churlish and name call something I would never stoop to.

  63. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 26, 2015, 18:48 #65680

    Danny, lets hope he's better than the last beast that was signed, any way this signing seems to have went through smoothly so it can't have been a wenger signing so there should be no fear of that.

  64. Lee afc

    Jan 26, 2015, 18:38 #65679

    Hey Jamie. I'm guessing that Jeff is eating his supper off his Phil Neville plate because the comments he made concerning TR7 are very similar to our friend Jeff "always"Right views. Sore loser.

  65. Gerry

    Jan 26, 2015, 18:36 #65678

    Thought Chambers was pretty poor for the first one to be honest (just head the thing away). Have a lot of doubts on him after the Liverpool game where I felt his all round game was not up to Arsenal standard. Not everyone is blessed with pace but to be beaten time and time again and not being able to stop crosses makes me wonder if Jenks is a little bit unlucky to be farmed out to the spammers. This goes for Gibbs also, full backs have to stop crosses simple as!

  66. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 26, 2015, 18:33 #65677

    jw, do you sense another conspiracy? two top sides that rules us out then, but they could always make sure we have a long distance to travel and make sure there are plenty of road works so we'll be very fatigued.

  67. jeff wright

    Jan 26, 2015, 17:39 #65675

    leeKFC have you got your TV fixed yet ,you know the one on which you see black and yellow stripes as black and white ones ... try buying a colour set that might help... Jamie your trolling is not fooling anyone other than leeKFC... this is like Dumb praising Dumber ... amusing but irrelevant to reality. 12 points less than at this time last season in the Prem for Arsene now that is reality ... despite millions spent ... LVG at United another big spender despite this has only managed to win the same points that old bug eyes the Community Shield previous winner to Arsene did last term but that is still more than what Arsene has won even so he still beat him at our gaff . So then Arsene is doing worse than what Moyes did last season at this time ! No wonder you want to make more of the FAC wins against ordinary oppo than what it warrants. You couldn't make it up.

  68. Alsace

    Jan 26, 2015, 17:34 #65674

    "Simpletons" in a big word Jamie. Four silly bulls. Careful. Don't overreach. Rosicky is an excellent player. He would start or be near starting in midfield behind Chamberlain, Alexis and possibly Cazorla. It is Wenger's inability to see the difference in technical ability between him and say Walcott which creates problems. Rosicky was ignored until necessity required his picking. Wenger remains clueless. Incidentally, Walcott's control and finish for his goal was appropriate for the No 14 shirt. He thinks very quickly, but he needs some proper coaching. Whilst I still wish the manager in the queue at the dole office, a tough defence and a tough midfield make it interesting once again. Let's hope that those surrounding Wenger at the club, can bind and gag him further. He is a danger to himself, and to others.

  69. JAMIE

    Jan 26, 2015, 17:15 #65673

    jeff-If it wasn't for proper Gooners like Lee AFC and myself this forum would be awash with suburban sofa bores like yourself, Arsene's-new-vest and the ginger Welsh midget DW Thomas.You should digest my wise words instead of just salivating over your straw men of Wenger you keep erecting.

  70. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 26, 2015, 17:11 #65672

    The genius Wenger has just had the worst first half of the season of his long reign, but it's all been part of a masterplan. He has us ideally placed in the league, on the cusp of 4th, having tricked the teams above by having us play crap up until the City game. Now to catch them unawares with a late charge for the holy grail. I see it now, it's all gone exactly as planned. His latest brainwave - having the players tell him how to approach matches. Such foresight, such strategy. Such genius.

  71. Own Goal

    Jan 26, 2015, 17:11 #65671

    According to an article in the Canadian Air Force Journal, the capability of a pilot to understand, prioritize, and react to critical information becomes increasingly important for mission success and survival. Some fighter pilots use the “bucket” analogy to describe this cognitive ability. The term “bucket” describes pilots’ thinking capacity and their overall capacity to absorb information and use it to complete missions. When their bucket is full, pilots might fail to detect new information and/or stop doing lower priority mission sub-tasks. They are cognitively overwhelmed, having reached either the limit of their thinking capacity or they have used up all of their “attention resources”. Or you’re Theo Walcott, running with the ball and you’re deciding whether to pass OR shoot.

  72. Hiccup

    Jan 26, 2015, 17:04 #65670

    Jeff, technology can't be used for the draw, as there'd be more conspiracy theories of it being rigged against arsenal. Even after all the home draws last season, some still believe the number 1 ball (usually arsenal) is warmed up so we can be stitched up. You couldn't make it up! Anyway, what's all these rumours doing the rounds that Baddie is back in town? Has he secured a blog permit to come back on here? I won't believe it until he's unveiled on the official AKB web site.

  73. Lee afc

    Jan 26, 2015, 17:01 #65668

    Jeff....... Ah diddums. So much to say, very little to offer.

  74. Danny

    Jan 26, 2015, 16:52 #65667

    Wally walnut is crap. speed only. the sleazy Turk OZIL is not equipped for the EPL Gibbs is the weakest link. Hell all the British players expect the OX are weak The new signing Paulista looks like a beast made for the EPL

  75. Fozzy

    Jan 26, 2015, 16:50 #65666

    Is there some sort of rule which prevents Walnutt and Marty Feldman coming back to help out the defence?

  76. Bard

    Jan 26, 2015, 15:52 #65665

    Westie, I agree with that moreorless. I dont think you can play Wally and Ozil in the same team against top class opposition, they are too weak defensively. I think we have the makings of a half decent side but to be brutally honest we need to get rid of Jack, Gibbs and put Wally on the bench as an impact player. We cannot carry all these long term casualties. Having Rambo as one is enough. We might then be able to afford a worldy at left back and another DM. It seems Coq is having the same thoughts as we are led to believe he isnt going to sing a new contract until he finds out where he is in the pecking order when Jack comes back. Smart boy.

  77. Barnaby

    Jan 26, 2015, 15:50 #65664

    Akpom looks twice as good as sanogo, and I hear we r signing paulista finally!!!

  78. jeff wright

    Jan 26, 2015, 15:34 #65663

    Jamie your attempts to try and provoke reactions ( you are obviously an attention seeker freak) are on a par with your sketches, infantile.We have just endured a week of Arsene has at last found plan B and that was bad enough ( yawn) now we have another one of salivating posts about how great we were beating Brighton,they only managed two shots on goal but both of them ended up in Chesnay's net,so it's probably just as well then that they never had four shots ! Who will we get tonight in the dodgy draw is the question ,with all the technology available these days why do they have to have two ex-players fiddling about picking out balls from the bowl ... The TV paymasters will be desperate to get two top sides paired ,after all you can only push the magic of the cup malarkey so far before even dimwits like Jamie suss out that it's all smoke and mirrors. City were more interested in playing a game in Arabia for sportsmanship reasons last week than they were in the FAC ,c'est la vie ! Anyway, I'm expecting either us or Liverpool to get United away , those TV boys love United and what a tie that will be. Of course both Liverpool and United have to win their replays ,another TV drama would be for us to get stitched up with Stoke away,please not that ! Jesus wept we would have all those Stokie Neanderthals back on here and it's bad enough already with Jamie and leeKFC and co without them.

  79. jjetplane

    Jan 26, 2015, 15:32 #65662

    And WESTIE will keep posting while Arsene FC are scraping past inferior opponents and brownie points for JAMIE for getting maestro and strings into a sentence. Terminal Brainwashing is your problem I do believe.

  80. Ron

    Jan 26, 2015, 15:24 #65661

    Westie - how can you learn much from a mere FAC game? I say abort it now and concentrate on the quest for CL and title glory. Do you agree? Aborting it will give rest and respite from the terrible work load of the tired troops and increase the chances of title and CL joy will it not? 'Cmon you rip roaring title chasing, CL challenging Gunners! - Do you recall that?

  81. Westlower

    Jan 26, 2015, 15:16 #65660

    Things we learned at Brighton: Szczesny persona was of a dead man walking, although the jury is still out on Ospina; In the long term absence of Debuchy, Chambers has the opportunity to establish himself at RB. With Jenkinson looking good at WHam what happens when his loan period is up? Coquelin is a better DM than Flamini; Speed merchants Walcott & Sanchez will thrive on the service from Ozil/Cazorla. Giroud has become a good leader of the line. Where does that leave Welbeck? Podolski won't be missed. Akpom shows promise. Wenger will still be boss until the last game of this season, at least.

  82. CT Gooner

    Jan 26, 2015, 15:13 #65659

    Jamie, just because Wenger seems to have gotten his act together does not mean a different manager would not achieve more with this squad. I'm very happy with what I've seen over the last couple of weeks, but I don't trust Wenger, so unfortunately I won't be surprised when the wheel falls off again. Fool me once and all that....

  83. JAMIE

    Jan 26, 2015, 14:53 #65658

    Even the Wenger Out simpletons must have recognised that this team is on the up and look far superior to anything else in the premiership.Or are these people as I have always suspected, terminally brainwashed by each other?

  84. Barnaby

    Jan 26, 2015, 14:38 #65656

    I'm glad to be through to the next round, but it shows that the city game was a one off, we just let in too many goals, overall a defending is a pile of wank

  85. Westlower

    Jan 26, 2015, 14:36 #65655

    SKY SPORTS BREAKING NEWS: Gabriel Paulista has been granted a work permit ahead of a proposed move to Arsenal.

  86. Bard

    Jan 26, 2015, 14:36 #65654

    Good report as usual. A win is a win and thats fine by me however I didnt see anyone bar Rosicky staking a claim to oust any of the Man City players. They all looked reasonable back ups, sadly Ozil included. If we really have bought Paulista why couldnt we have bought him or someone similar in Aug and then we wouldnt have had such a crap defence for half the season. I cant fathom our transfer policy as at all.

  87. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 26, 2015, 14:21 #65653

    r/k, as long as it's at home.

  88. Ron

    Jan 26, 2015, 14:07 #65652

    Great to win in the FAC at any time, yet so many of the pro Wenger fraternity advocate aborting it each Season. Westie will fill you in on the rationale Kev as he led the 'abort the Cup' crusade last Season. Badarse is back in his new 'Brian'guise on the other thread ) jj has amusingly already named him 'Brianarse'!. Anyway he ll be here in a bit im sure.

  89. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 26, 2015, 14:07 #65651

    Kev, they weren't exactly hard to nullify, happy to have their belly's tickled so no need for bouldy and his notes or the players taking matters into they're own hands again, they decided to let TOF have his say/way again for this one. And then of course the usual occurred, the mistakes goals conceded. But we're through to the next round and and no big boys to face so it's on again, although that doesn't mean much if OGL's back in the saddle. But it's a real chance for real silverware and no doubt it will continue to be taken seriously by OGL and his fans until fourth place becomes more clearer anyway.

  90. Smithy

    Jan 26, 2015, 13:45 #65650

    I can't see other than injuries how ozil and jack Wiltshire get back into our starting 11. I would also have the Ox in front of Walcott, theo does not have a football brain, and is poor defensively. Who out of kos and mert is going to be dropped for paulista - my money's on Bfg being dropped.

  91. GoonerRon

    Jan 26, 2015, 12:50 #65643

    Great first half, effective on the ball and won it back really quickly in the transitions. A bit disappointed with the lapses for their goals and is something we need to continually focus on, although I never felt we were in danger of not winning the game to be honest. A rest for some of the key players and much needed minutes for those returning from injury. 4 wins on the spin and 11 in the last 14 - hopefully we can continue this decent run.

  92. radfordkennedy

    Jan 26, 2015, 12:49 #65642

    We are building....don't know about you mate but I'd love Stoke in a semi-final again should we progress

  93. JAMIE

    Jan 26, 2015, 12:47 #65641

    I think we'd all agree that it was mainly an excellent performance with our little maestro Rosicky pulling the strings in the midfield,showing that we have depth in class all over pitch.Yes there was a couple of lapses yet the game never looked in doubt.I would say that genius Wenger is gradually pulling together a team capable of dominating home and abroad.Not everybody will be happy of course the bitter 'Piers Morgan' types we have posting on here will be reaching for their G & T's and lamenting the fact that they've been shown up once again for being way off when it comes down to their views on Arsenal and their inability or failure to oust the manager.

  94. Tony Evans

    Jan 26, 2015, 12:40 #65640

    Excellent report, Kevin. The only thing I would take issue with was your comment on Chambers looking more assured. I thought he still showed a tendency to switch off and was caught napping a few times. As you say though the big question is how we will approach the Spurs game. Back to gung-ho or will the more pragmatic approach shown at City continue? Doesn't bode well reading that the more controlled approach at City was down to player power and nothing to do with Wenger - according to the man himself. No surprise there really.

  95. Lance Peters

    Jan 26, 2015, 12:33 #65639

    Walcott is so frustrating to watch. Apart from him getting into good positions , his overall game is weak. His decision making is poor and his awareness of players around him is pathetic. Its a pity that Giroud is not a ball playing striker , rosicky's and ozils creativity goes down the drain because he cannot run of defenders or put himself in good spaces. Also most of his flicks and one touches dont come through

  96. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Jan 26, 2015, 12:27 #65638

    Stoke away in the 5th round anyone?

  97. sputnik

    Jan 26, 2015, 12:26 #65637

    Great to see the little mozart in such fine form. The best game for supertom for quite some time.

  98. radfordkennedy

    Jan 26, 2015, 12:05 #65633

    Fair report kevin,and as you say we're in the hat so that's all that matters but if I was being pedantic,Theo showed again that when he's faced with any other option other than shoot he invariably makes the wrong choice if any at all,and Kos should be tried for Cowardice,a Cb turning away from a shot at goal is inexcusable still we live to fight another day....on the other ties..Fabianski oh dear oh dear