Gimme Five

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Gimme Five


Arsenal’s previous league outing had been the triumphant and disciplined performance at Manchester City. The defence and midfield from that game were retained, although two changes in the front three were down to injuries, or injury fears to Oxlade-Chamberlain and Alexis Sanchez. The degree of focus required at the Etihad was not called for against a struggling and unimaginative Villa side. Arsenal could and perhaps should have been three up by half time. As it was, a Giroud goal after an immaculate flick from Ozil, which the Frenchman almost managed to rob himself of, was the only one converted in the first 45 minutes, and David Ospina had to pull off an excellent save from a header not long before the interval.

In the very early stages of the second half, Arsenal allowed Villa to continue the spell that gave them some hope. In certain respects, there were similarities between this game and the notorious season opener against Villa in August 2013. Giroud opened the scoring, Anthony Taylor reffed, and Arsenal gave their opponents an opportunity to get back in the game. However, this time around, a very different outcome. Having shown the visitors a chink of light, the door was firmly closed and the Gunners went on to run riot. The goals from Ozil and Walcott were things of beauty, the penalty by Cazorla went in due to its sheer power rather than accuracy, whilst the very tidy injury time strike from Hector Bellerin capped a very fine performance.

There were standout displays all over the field, with Coquelin knitting everything together on his return to the side. Ospina looked comfortable when called upon and seems to be a calming influence on the defence. It was an assured 90 minutes from Arsenal. They have kept a clean sheet in the last four matches that Ospina has started in goal, so good habits are being developed. On another note, what we saw from Chuba Akpom indicates he would be a better bet than Yaya Sanogo to contribute in the long term, although I was told his contract is up this summer, so if he was in the plans for the future, one imagines he would have been signed up by now. I suspect he will disappear once again once Danny Welbeck returns. Might he have appeared briefly in the last two matches with a view to a late deal in this transfer window to recoup something? We’ll know by midnight.

Next weekend will be interesting in terms of the team selection. Surely Sanchez will return if fit, but at whose expense? In terms of defensive contribution, Oxlade-Chamberlain is a better bet than either of Ozil or Walcott, although one imagines Arsene Wenger will favour one of those two, and there are doubts over whether the Ox will even be fit by next Saturday. There is an argument that in the heat of a local derby, perhaps it might not be the wisest move to start Ozil, who even in the lack of intensity that was the match yesterday, ducked more than one challenge. He simply doesn’t want to know about the physical side of the Premier League. If a focused and committed performance is required – and it generally is at the Lane when Arsenal visit if they are to get anything – then Ozil must return to the bench. Either that or the team carry him because of his creative contribution. Is it a luxury they can afford? Better to save him for games like the one against Villa?

So a decent run of form in January for Arsenal, after the New Year’s day defeat at St Mary’s. They used to do this under George Graham, and indeed Arsene Wenger. Pick up after the turn of the year and go on a decent run. Five wins on the trot, two of those in the FA Cup. Arsenal are not going to strengthen further in this window, one imagines because Coquelin has proved such a revelation. It can only be hoped he manages to avoid injury himself if the good form is to continue. So all in all, a very satisfactory and entertaining display. As for Villa, the future really doesn’t look very bright. The club are saying there are no plans to replace Paul Lambert mid-season, but it is difficult to see the current situation changing with him at the helm. A breath of fresh air is needed at Villa Park or they are risking the drop. Anyway, that’s another club’s problem. For the Gunners, it’s a case of next up, Tottenham.

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  1. Westlower

    Feb 05, 2015, 18:07 #66321

    @Maguiresbridge, I've only just played the race back as I've been at my cousins funeral this afternoon. To my eyes she was asked to big a question too soon in her career. She's a big filly and may have needed the race as it was her first race of the year. Both the winner & 2nd had recent runs on dirt. Meydan has switched to a dirt surface in an attempt to attract the best American horses to their festivals. It's primarily a surface that favours front runners. Yodelling will have her day in the sun as the season progresses as she has a top class pedigree.

  2. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 05, 2015, 16:08 #66315

    Westie, not much dough to be made on yodelling coming in 4th, although shahrsal looked to be worth a punt coming in 3rd at 40/1, am not a big horse racing fan but I could think of worse places to be at the minute than out there in Dubai with a bottle of the local beer in one hand and a programme in the other.

  3. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 05, 2015, 14:08 #66308

    ard as nails, yes well ard it's a pity his body wasn't as hard as his brain, I wonder will he be at the lane on Saturday too, not as ard as Bard though he's really well ard remember he tackled big Helen and here he is going to do it again, leave it to Tuesday though Bard we're all dying to see what's going to happen. Westie, thanks for the heads up unfortunately home alone today with no wheels to get to a bookies or i'd definitely have a punt, but will be watching, knowing my luck it will romp home.

  4. jeff wright

    Feb 05, 2015, 14:06 #66307

    TH14,you have obviously not been paying attention to le prof's lectures,it's the way you play that counts and not winning games .A lack of sharpness in his players performances due to midweek games fatigue has not helped Klopp and he has had injuriesto contend with .The economic crisis in Greece along with the reduction in the price of a barrel of oil makes it more difficult to sign new players .Klopp needs time and then his squad will dominate football .It would be madness to get rid of Klopp his image of a bearded loon in a green anorak is as iconic as that of a pale faced grim looking Arsene fiddling about with the zip on his Puffa Jacket . These images surely suggest that of men standing on the cusp of greatness and just wait until Plattini's Fair Play rules kick-in ,that will sort out the men from the boys!

  5. jjetplane

    Feb 05, 2015, 12:22 #66294

    JAMERsON you old Samsung Chav!

  6. A Cornish Gooner

    Feb 05, 2015, 12:19 #66292

    God. Yes he's on the subs pew with Nicodemus Bendtner.

  7. Chris

    Feb 05, 2015, 11:13 #66286

    Bard - 1 and 2 okay. 3 - wonder what you'll be saying in 12 months or so when Soton are struggling. 4 & 5 - And they say Wenger doesn't learn from experience!

  8. Bard

    Feb 05, 2015, 9:33 #66280

    Colseyboy you are right most on here aren't real fans like us mate. I remember going to see a youth team game in Mongolia in the 80s. It was quite a trip as I only had one leg at the time. I lost the other in a fight with Newcastle fans over a disputed goal kick in the 70s. Anyway it took 3 months to get there and believe it or not I missed the game. i was arguing with the steward that as I only had one leg I ought to get a discount. Long story short it took another 3 months to get home but what a brilliant trip. Colseyboy those were the days, real Arsenal fans not these keyboard cutouts. Lets meet up on Wednesday instead of Tuesday, I know a good wall we can bang our heads against, although reading your posts makes me think you've done a little too much of that recently. Wednesday it is eh ? Wesite you're going all Amos on me. 1 Pep 2 Ancellotti, 3 Koeman, 4 Klopp, 5 Martinez

  9. Westlower

    Feb 05, 2015, 9:14 #66279

    @Ron, If your Thierry Henry predictions come true the bookies are offering a couple of specials: TH to manage Arsenal by end of 2016 at 20/1; TH to manage Arsenal & win ECL by 2020 at 100/1. Revised odds on FA Cup: AFC 5/2, Man U 11/4, Liverpool 6/1, WHam 11/1. Arsenal to finish Top 4, YES 1/3, NO 2/1; No Trophies 1/2, any major trophy 2/1. To win ECL 20/1. @Maguirebridge, Yodelling runs today at Meydan 3.55 in the UAE 1000 Guineas. It's her first run on a dirt surface, so that has to be taken on trust, although she has some American blood in her pedigree which will help.

  10. God

    Feb 05, 2015, 9:04 #66278

    Cornish Gooner my son ,Can Jesus Navas be a sub.

  11. A Cornish Gooner

    Feb 05, 2015, 0:49 #66275

    Jamerson's Biblical XI: Victor Moses, Bob John 'The Baptist', Alex James 'The Just', Michael 'Doubting' Thomas, Mark Lazarus, David Abraham, Titus Bramble, Frank 'The King' Saul, Tony Adam and finally Sansom and Dele Alli. God knows what the formation will be.

  12. Th14afc

    Feb 05, 2015, 0:12 #66274

    Klopp's Dortmund are bottom of the bundesliga with 15 games to go...wow

  13. goonercolesyboy

    Feb 05, 2015, 0:11 #66273

    Welcome maguiresbridge your leader is missing you and your position in the club is safe too, right behind jeff. You are as confused as jeff but nothing surprises me with you as you are his lap dog You should advise jeff on the question I asked of him or maybe you could take the lead instead.

  14. A Cornish gooner

    Feb 04, 2015, 23:55 #66272

    Jamerson. Just to let you know. The 'Dele Alli' just transferred to the Spuds, is nothing to do with Sansom/Samson.

  15. A Cornish Gooner

    Feb 04, 2015, 23:38 #66271

    Jamerson. Is that Kenny Sansom?

  16. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 04, 2015, 23:20 #66270

    jw, to use a favourite phrase of his messiahs, your still playing with the handbrake on, the funny thing about all this Tuesday stuff is he didn't find it anywhere on here, he started it himself and has forgotten. You couldn't make it up, but not to worry his village are searching for him.

  17. jeff wright

    Feb 04, 2015, 22:59 #66268

    Meant to add this gem of yours on that you posted some time ago................goonercolesyboy says... blah blah blah ... Not been on for a while now as the boring negativity was tiresome. Good to see nothing has changed. Most on here do nothing but stroke each others ego in agreement. - Post No. 65568 .......... says it all really you couldnt make it up.

  18. jeff wright

    Feb 04, 2015, 22:48 #66267

    No you are the sad loser there are more contradictions in your rants than in the Bible. If as you claim you are not supporting Wenger but the team ,then why are you spending so much time posting to me>? You have admitted in THREE yawn inducing posts tonight that you see me as being ANTI-WENGER ,or have you in your befuddled mind forgotten this? So it's my anti-Wenger comments that are annoying you and the reason why you have made these posts AS YOU HAVE TO OTHER CRITICS OF HIM FOR DONKEYS YEARS . So how is this then NOT DEFENDING ARSENE on your part>?You couldn't make it up. Anyway,I have had enough of your stupid mind-numbing childish nonsense as no doubt others have ,so to bring this tedium that YOU started to an end I will let you have the last word .(yawn)

  19. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 04, 2015, 21:38 #66262

    Mark from Aylesbury, it could well happen we could do a manure, imagine after all this time of being told by the wengerites be careful what you wish for, the newly (wenger)appointed manager and his side kick, Henry Pires or who ever, do a moysey and it all goes tits up anyway. You couldn't make it up.

  20. Westlower

    Feb 04, 2015, 21:10 #66260

    Just watched a very poor Borussia Dortmund lose at home to 10 man Augsburg. BD are now adrift at the foot of the Bundesliga. This is the team than finished runners up last season. They are currently bereft of confidence & gave the ball away for fun. The totally ineffective Marco Reus was hauled off after 70 minutes. For all Klopp's enthusiastic histrionics on the touchline it didn't make a jots worth of difference. This is the man who is favourite to be the next Arsenal manager. His team were whistled & booed off the pitch. They look a broken outfit. Surely the World Cup hangover can't still be a factor?

  21. Ron

    Feb 04, 2015, 20:57 #66259

    Mark - interesting yes mate. They may well have to have a Moyesesque period, though personally i think Moyes was set up as a fall guy there by Ferguson and Moyes was dazzled enough to fall for it. Cynical thought you may rightly say, but such was Fergusons ego im not sure he wanted a continuance of his success by his immediate successor. I cut Moyes a bit of slack on this basis alone. Arsenals biggest error will be in allowing Wenger to influence the choice of successor. He ll look for a reflection of himself and its that we need to despatch in my view. The Board there are likely to let him too. Henry on the tele - hes shrewd enough to try and be impartial with comments like that and the fools are paying him a tidy wedge to keep the slipping SKY glitter twinkling. I cant see him being anything but what you wd expect him to be in a Coachs tracksuit though mate. Arsenal need a top man who is his own man, not a Wenger clone. If your goodself and such as me are right in our TH predictions it ll prove to me that Arsenal is a cosy jobs for the boys type Club which is what ive thought for quite some yrs now. Far too comfortable. Henry will come cheap though as a rookie so they ll fancy it. Id give him 12 months of a sulking and pouting go at coaching before he realized its too much for him though they ll give him a long honeymoon wont they. Id never put a man into the top job whos so close to the Club.

  22. goonercolesyboy

    Feb 04, 2015, 20:45 #66258

    jeff, still lost and alone. Once again your lack of knowledge let's you down. Arsenal is the team I support, no matter the manager. Unlike your mindless anti Wenger drivel, it is all you have to hang on to. Two and half more years so what are you going to do with your sad self? How are your first few minutes of being the leader of the see you next Tuesday club? Got any words for your disciples?

  23. jeff wright

    Feb 04, 2015, 20:35 #66257

    Colesy,has it never crossed your mind that all those on here that you rated and raved and hurled abuse at have all been proven RIGHT about Wenger and you have been proven WRONG. Your pathetic attempts to dress up your Arsene mania as being 'the team' is fooling no one. Your silly catch phrase that you keep desperately posting though sums you up perfectly, a loser.

  24. Mark from aylesbury

    Feb 04, 2015, 20:00 #66254

    Ron - I reckon the regular camera shots of Henry and Pires together is no coincidence. Reckon it's all part of the way forward. I wonder if we will have to go through a manure type fiasco before finally getting to where we want which complete sweeping of the broom. The only thing that does give some hope is that Henry effectively complained we were going backwards prior to the city match. Maybe he may surprise us

  25. jeff wright

    Feb 04, 2015, 19:32 #66251

    Nope colesyboy,I just checked and it is def you that comes up the posts are there with the terminology to match .Just remember Colesy that just because you are paranoid it doesn't mean that THEY are not watching you. Did you ever consider becoming a preacher >? The likes of your sermonizing rants at Arsene unbelievers has not been seen since Billy Graham stood at the pulpit condemning people for not believing in god. At least Cliff Richard did so that was a plus for Billy and Arsene has you and leeKFC backing him up, he must be well chuffed. You couldn't make it up

  26. goonercolesyboy

    Feb 04, 2015, 18:32 #66249

    jeff you must have googled yourself

  27. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 04, 2015, 18:26 #66248

    Henry, Pires, wouldn't come as a surprise either, or in some capacity I've no doubt this old past it French man will do his utmost to keep the French influence and culture alive (for his ego if nothing else)Your spot on Ron we need a complete departure clean break from it.

  28. jjetplane

    Feb 04, 2015, 18:19 #66246

    WESTIE you are without doubt the most religious poster on here. I imagine during the tits up phases (a decade's worth) you don a red and white Horsehair shroud with the face of Wenger taken off a piece of toast. Amen brother. JAMERSON chill mate with The Doors and a bit of wackee ..... you'll be alright.

  29. Westlower

    Feb 04, 2015, 18:01 #66245

    @Bard, Too vague! You're coming across as a granny putting a pin into the grand National runners to see which one her shilling each way will be bet on. Any of 4 for starters - how long is your list? Have you ever put together a short list? Be decisive, be ruthless and pick your preferred runner. Stan Kroenke is waiting breathlessly for your answer. The World as we know it may change if you name the 'right' person. I bet your man is French?

  30. jeff wright

    Feb 04, 2015, 18:00 #66243

    goonercolesyboy,The research into your deluded rantings was easy,I just typed: Arsene moaners miserable lot keyboard up arsehole, into google search and it came up with your posts on here .You couldn't make it up

  31. goonercolesyboy

    Feb 04, 2015, 17:50 #66242

    jeff your views on her are an irrelevance as are you. I am glad you did some research but as per usual your lack of knowledge has let you down again. I have never stated that I am pro or anti Wenger, I support the team. Your problem is your anti Wenger stance and you can't stand those that oppose you so you spout your drivel and wait for the conflict of opinion. As I said before you are sad and lost and have only maguiresbridge as your lap dog in support.

  32. Bard

    Feb 04, 2015, 17:22 #66240

    Westie; sharpen up. I have posted my choices before. Ancellotti, Pep, Koeman Klopp, any of those for starters.

  33. Ron

    Feb 04, 2015, 17:15 #66239

    mARK - Im with you mate, though i hadnt contemplated the Pires link. Seems a good bloke Pires and out of all those great players he was my favourite. Cant see him as much more than a back ground Coach though. The Henry thing as Coach leaves me cold. I think we need a total departure from the French culture at the Club now. Henry is a continuance of it though i accept that GG was totally different Coach to what he was as a player admittedly. Henry was a great player, but as a bloke in charge hmm, not for me mate. Far too arrogant as a man and he was a truly poor Captain. Very few great players cut it as a Coach and i don't see the basics in his persona to do it.

  34. jjetplane

    Feb 04, 2015, 16:39 #66236

    MARK looks like Pires is on the ticket with Henry and wonder whether they have started 'coaching' from the stands already. At present it could be these two and that would be no surprise. Certainly Pires had one hell of a football brain and worked well with full backs. See Ashley Cole. Sweet optimism. JAMIE you need to change your dealer mate lol!

  35. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 04, 2015, 16:33 #66235

    Bard, like I said it's the AKB full moon, next Tuesday there'll not be a name on here we'll recognise, but their words of wisdom and ranting's will still be very recognisable.

  36. mark from aylesbury

    Feb 04, 2015, 16:28 #66234

    Ancellotti - Would love him but no chance I suspect Guardiola - Even if he came to us I'm not so sure, I wonder if the defense would just be exposed again Henry - He will be the new manager! Now taking badges I understand - I have a big fear factor that this could go horribly wrong (Pires getting inolved as well?) Martinez - Not big time enough would get swallowed by Arsenal like Moyes did at Manure Berkhamp / Deboer - I would really love this apart from his fear of flying issues Benitez To my mind the opposite of Wenger in that his public profile is lower than his actual success. Unfortunate to be somewhat tarnished. Think he could do a good job. Summary: Would love Ancellotti failing that Berkhamp / Deboer and who we will get Henry

  37. jeff wright

    Feb 04, 2015, 16:23 #66233

    My view on the who should replace Wenger is that there is no certain way of finding someone who can do better. If there was then Wenger would have been gone long ago.Silent Stan sticks with for the same reasons that the AKB do,because heis seen as being safe. Stan is scared of a United scenario where we drop out of the TV cash cow Champs League. Any new manager will be a gamble .Sooner or later though that gamble will have to be taken. Wenger is no certainty to finish 4th this season anyway and if that is the case then his comfort zone and bullet proof position will be over.

  38. Westlower

    Feb 04, 2015, 15:53 #66231

    @Bard, Get off the fence and name 'the few' who could replace Wenger. Strengths & weaknesses of the cherished few please.

  39. Bard

    Feb 04, 2015, 15:47 #66230

    Very funny post Jeff, keep them coming. Jamerson is it you Jamie with another name change. Whats with all you AKBs and these name changes. We had Baddie at it a while ago. Do you all have some kind of identity crisis or what. Im not sure a football site is the best place to work out inner demons. I have enough on my plate trying to work out what the f*** Wenger is up to. Westie i agree its probably not a good idea to replace Wenger with either Pearce or Arry but there are a few managers out there who would fit the bill.

  40. Westlower

    Feb 04, 2015, 15:23 #66229

    @John F, Frank de Boer is quoted between 16/1 to 33/1. DB 14/1 to 20/1. Adrian Durham is 6/4 favourite to be the new tea lady.

  41. john f

    Feb 04, 2015, 15:06 #66228

    Westie what about odds for deboer/bergkamp.

  42. john f

    Feb 04, 2015, 14:38 #66227

    Charlie I remember that. I felt sorry for the poor chap because he just owned a very slow car and just happened to be in the wrong area 3 times. I have heard a rumour that due to the tactical success at city.The entire first team have appield for the QPR job.

  43. Ron

    Feb 04, 2015, 14:35 #66226

    Westie - The antipathy towards RB was markedly cranked up by the media after he spoke the truth about Utd and Ferguson in 2009. They termed it 'his rant' as they lacked the balls to say what Rafa said, though i guess the media was instructed by Man Utd to pillory RB over it at risk of being excluded forever by Man U, which was Fergusons trump card and used often then wasnt it if he needed any hack silencing. Rafa and his notebook and his beer gut makes for an easy target though doesn't he by todays media? Given the players at Arsenal plus a few of his own choosing he could do well. Perhaps his profile has dropped a bit since leaving the UK, but that might suit AFCs liking for the lower key when the time comes. Im still fearful the ground is being cleared for Mr Henry to be shoehorned seamlessly in mate? Drastic error in my view if they go down that route yet many of the later fan arrivals will celebrate wildly im sure if it happens.

  44. Westlower

    Feb 04, 2015, 14:12 #66225

    @Ron From all the names quoted Rafa would also be my first choice. The English media seem to be anti him which isn't helpful. I'm surprised Adrian Durham isn't one of the favourites because he's forgotten more than Wenger knows> At least that what he constantly tells us?

  45. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 04, 2015, 13:59 #66224

    Bard, next Tuesday is the AKB full moon when Mr Moon himself pays a visit, it's a very important day in their calendar even more important than finishing fourth.

  46. Hiccup

    Feb 04, 2015, 13:53 #66223

    Jeff, be careful what you say. Gooner coldsore boy probably also knows people that can break your legs too. Where is he and kfc today? Probably calling anyone at a bus stop a 'bus wanker' and then running off in a fit of laughter? Bless them.

  47. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 04, 2015, 13:42 #66222

    Hiccup, Coldsore guy, nice one isn't that a form of Herpes?

  48. jjetplane

    Feb 04, 2015, 13:38 #66221

    Dontcha just love these two bobbers and their little keyboards. On to other things. Should actually be an interesting game on saturday and thinking the Spud win at Baggieland was a lot more impressive that the sunday walkabout at the Wok here's to the Sanchez verses Kane contest and can Ericksen be kept quite by Carzola's activities. There is also the clash of goalies so all in all good stuff for once. Ah the joys of histrionic neutrality. Still trying to work out how ROn is pompous, EG is an old crusty and Jamie eats posh salads. Someone needs to extend their imagination. JAMERSON you would not have lasted 5 mins at my primary school. Go figure Kid.

  49. Charlie George Orwell

    Feb 04, 2015, 12:56 #66218

    Reading the post from John F reminded me of what happened during a derby at SHL when David Pleat was manager (and just shortly after his embarrasing scandal broke in 86, 87?). Think Spuds were attacking and a Gooner threw an inflatable doll onto the pitch. How we all laughed - including many players!

  50. A Cornish Gooner

    Feb 04, 2015, 12:34 #66217

    2460/1. Guardiola and Koeman both 14/1. Martinez 20/1 Benitez 66/1. All on Sky BET. As you say, no odds for Pearce, yet.

  51. jeff wright

    Feb 04, 2015, 11:54 #66215

    Hiccup ,I thought those pair of pussies were school kids as well but colesybollox was , according to himself, born in 1958 ! . He is however one very angry and stressed out hombre. I have just read some of his past posts on here ,it was hard graft, going back awhile and they all follow the same mantra defending Wenger he had been at it for donkeys years only disappearing during a bad run of results , while claiming he is standing firm for AFC against moaners ,who do not , unlike his great self ,attend every game . Coleseybollox constantly offers to 'speak' to 'moaners' and miserable sorts who have offended him on here at games if they will meet up with him at the next one . He constantly rants about having supported AFC all of his life ( haven't we all though dearie ?)even going abroad to do so.Jesus wept what an advert for the club he must have been. The most amusing thing about him and his pal,who is most likely another old timer trying to appear younger than he is, is the way they produce stats to try and show they are right about Arsene when the stats actually prove exactly the opposite. You couldn't make it up.

  52. john f

    Feb 04, 2015, 11:43 #66214

    Iiiiiiii I think I used to many in the last post.That's what an English cse and bunking off school gets you

  53. Ron

    Feb 04, 2015, 11:43 #66213

    Hi Westie - i know many if not most disagree vehemently mate but ive often said on here that Rafa could do a great job at Arsenal. The odds are interesting. A lot dont like him but he can set a team up well. Ive always been mindful as well that he and AW have always got on and with AW likely to be 'upstairs' at some point, ive took the view it could work. RB very unfairly portrayed ive always thought. My only real choice is Ancellotti though i cant see us ever getting him bud. I know you destest him, but i would take Mourinho too. He d relish a job like the Arsenal one in the fullness of time. He ll never find a bigger Club now will he? AW wouldn't ever sanction it though. As for Harry, my mate's having a hip job done soon so Arry could always come and run his motorbike dealership!!

  54. Westlower

    Feb 04, 2015, 11:35 #66212

    @Ron, No one is quoting Pearce for the Arsenal job. Harry Redknapp is priced between 40-100/1. Current prices: Klopp 9/1; Benetez 9/1; Martinez 9/1; Clement 10/1; Henry 18/1; Garde 25/1; Klinsman 25/1; Hoddle 66/1. Who's your fancy?

  55. Ron

    Feb 04, 2015, 11:26 #66211

    Cant swear to it but i think it was Poqueline who said that a man should examine himself for a long time before he condemns another (or words close to that effect). Try it. The US Congressman Stevenson though who said that a hypocrite is a politician who cuts down a redwood tree and then makes a speech about conservation is probably more pertinent to you 'chum'. You're riddled with your own complexes you accuse Mark of, primarily in yr case about people who are far brighter than you and you know it too. Keep digging that hole Badarse, though its becoming rather pathetic to see.

  56. John F

    Feb 04, 2015, 11:18 #66210

    Morning all.Hi chaps thinking about the the Spuds game brought back some memories.The cockerel that kept being thrown on the pitch when we played at the Spuds.Was it us or them who kept throwing it on, I thought he played quite well esp when he gave big pat the run around at Highbury.I remember the chaotic midweek non all ticket league game in the eighties when Charlie Nicholas won the game.I could not get into our end as too many Arsenal fans turned up. I and many others ventured onto the shelf.I realised I might stand out so I adopted the knuckle dragging technique and dragged them up to the Paxton where I joined the Arsenal fans who were being escorted out on to the pitch.I could not work out why the Gooners in front were getting spat at as they walked passed the shelf but I was luckily being ignored.I think it was because I was still dragging my knuckles and grunting.Still I managed to get in our end.I think that may have been the last non all ticket match at the lane. Any other memories out there?

  57. Ron

    Feb 04, 2015, 11:08 #66209

    Ha - Good old Westie. Ive often wondered where the 'hairy arsed' reference came from that us footie fans use? Just hyperbole i suppose to drive a point home about a hard player? Yr post isnt one of yr better efforts at chasing those redundant old arguments of yours though. You're not tired are you mate? What would the odds be on psycho joining the Goons as youve raised it?

  58. Ozzie

    Feb 04, 2015, 10:51 #66208

    Keep those jaws tight, Exeter Gunner, you have him by the balls :)

  59. Mark from aylesbury

    Feb 04, 2015, 10:49 #66207

    Badarse - interesting idea but I did actually realise you were mainly in a spat with EG and for some reason Ron who always seems very conciliatory in his discussions. Anyway on to Saturday!

  60. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 04, 2015, 10:31 #66206

    Badarse, it's your failure to understand what happened to you yesterday. It left you with the opportunity to build a new persona, but you seem to be rebuilding the old one. It's not too late to start again though. Here's a thought - why don't you come back under a new name?

  61. Badarse

    Feb 04, 2015, 10:30 #66205

    mark from Aylesbury. You have a persecution complex, my side swipe was not directed at yourself, anyone can hold an opposing view, that wasn't the issue, but you could easily join the suspects should you so desire. Next time don't stand aside, shuffle to the front and I'll get you a seat, then you can join the bun fight in comfort if you wish. Before being so critical you need to walk a mile in my shoes, they are the bright yellow and blue wooden ones, that play Good old Arsenal, and recite 26th of May 1989, you might call them clever clogs.

  62. Mark from aylesbury

    Feb 04, 2015, 10:24 #66204

    Badarse - I look at your comments you seem to use the term cowardly when you feel under attack. Yet you attack others. So when you attack are you also a coward? I think your major issue as highlighted before is your self absorption, particularly in trying to portray an idealised version of yourself to a largely disinterested audience. When that gets prodded you lose all perspective. Unusual I would say for someone I guess knocking on 70.

  63. Badarse

    Feb 04, 2015, 10:12 #66203

    E/G inadvertently that was the nicest thing you've ever said about me, but you are correct, I would try to keep fighting sans arms and legs, I mean if some continue without brains it is a wonderful incentive. You should trawl back through the archives, you might find A Badarse Production of, 'The Knights Who Say Neigh.', starring westlower and his troupe.

  64. Badarse

    Feb 04, 2015, 9:52 #66202

    Oh E/G, you've been sucked into the Ron pomposity. A new spat but, 'is it a dumbed down one in tribute to the earlier one?' Wow, such self-importance. The 'spat', was me posing a simple proposition, your failure to understand and a cowardly attempt to have a nibble at me-you vicious banana you. Me explaining your error, you compounding it, and the acolytes cheering you on. Hilarious stuff.

  65. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 04, 2015, 9:42 #66201

    In the film Monty Python and the Holy Grail, the Black Knight gets his arms and legs chopped off one by one, but keeps trying to fight. Badarse reminds me of him.

  66. Badarse

    Feb 04, 2015, 9:25 #66200

    So, what's all this then?-I've sent my two henchmen, E/G and jj after Badarse.-Oh dear.-Yeah, E/G is like a piranha, cutting Badarse to pieces, and jj is a bull terrier savaging Badarse's bum.-Er, no, you got that wrong. E/G is a bit like a piranha, but is in fact a banana, and he's overripe and gone all squishy. jj too is like a bull terrier, but in truth is a bull horn and just toots a lot.-Don't say I'm wrong! I can't bare it.-Sorry, but your name is slap bang in the middle of wrong. C'est la vie, as we say at the Grove.

  67. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 04, 2015, 9:24 #66199

    Westlower, we'd be better of with no manager than those two, with the players managing themselves and deciding the tactics... hang on a minute...

  68. Bard

    Feb 04, 2015, 9:15 #66198

    morning shipmates. What a perfect storm yesterday. Jeff and Baddie getting loads of abuse from all sides. I suggest a duel at half time to sort it out. There's more aggro and bite here than in our midfield. The really important issue is what's happening next Tuesday ? Where are we meeting. I might be late as I'm working that day. I have to deal with a load of c***s at work. They have just made contact with their few remaining brain cells and think they're Alan Bennett, not the Gravesend striker circa 1989. Why can't we meet on Friday instead ?

  69. Westlower

    Feb 04, 2015, 8:47 #66196

    Well here's your chance to nominate Wengers replacement as two dynamic English Pub Managers are on the market. EPM1: The dyed in the wool hairy arsed full back (Right up Ron's street) Stuart Pearce; credentials - doesn't believe in tippy tappy, sidewards, backwards crap. Does believe in rallying the troops into battle, smack 'em, get in their faces, hoof it into the box & other outstanding pub team techniques. Managerial honours - Buggar all. EPB2 The one and only car dealer Harry Redknapp. This one's been around the block a few times but has outstanding tactical nous. Real poker player in the transfer market. Managerial honours - Won FA Cup, but broke the club in the process. How about if Arsenal team them up? They have all the qualities the WOB's have been screaming for. Stu can coach the team while H spends the money. What a future AFC would have, relegated and skint within 2 years, but at least we'd have got rid of the inept Frenchman!

  70. Stephen Fry

    Feb 04, 2015, 7:56 #66195

    Oh, yeah! See. you. next. Tuesday! Brillyunt! Hur hur!!

  71. OZZIE

    Feb 04, 2015, 3:47 #66194

    Badarse's last post - THIRTEEN references to himself. Hope there's a trapdoor on the stage somewhere :) On Arsenal - glad to see Akpom sign a new contract - will be special this fella.

  72. Hiccup

    Feb 03, 2015, 23:08 #66192

    This Gooner coldsore guy is hilarious. He's got his new catchphrase, and along with his mate they're just like two seven year olds that have learnt a new rude word, and go round giggling together. Comes across as a pleasant guy. It's not in the same league as 'chum' that gets banded on here. Now that is offensive!

  73. jeff wright

    Feb 03, 2015, 22:42 #66191

    goonercolesyboy,I thought you were gone but nope you are still lingering like the smell of a fart that someone drops in a lift ... your Tourrete's problem is obviously bursting to get out again as well ... stay cool and go and have a cup of tea and a couple of aspirins you will feel better then... all of this angst and bile that is coming out from you is not doing you any good .

  74. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 03, 2015, 22:38 #66190

    Exeter, could be, but jw, like yourself earlier remains in full control.

  75. jeff wright

    Feb 03, 2015, 22:23 #66189

    yes I know colely said next Tuesday but is that not next week then seeing that it is Tuesday today or do you live in a parallel universe to the rest of us leeKFC .Anyway the mad deluded rantings of your twin are not really that important to me but if he insists on keep posting to me then out of coutesy I will try and humour him.As I do yourself when you claim such nonsense as West Brom play in black and white stripes on your TV and that if Sky Sports say Danny Wellbeck is signing for us then it can't be true among other pearls of wisdom that you have offered up.So anyway as the gynaecologist said to the actress there is no point in beating about the bush,so why not cut out the waffle and just give us your prediction for Saturdays game ,instead of coming on AFTER to tell us how RIGHT you were.We can all be right after the event .You seem to get a touch of the PMT's before games you are most likely the biggest moaner at them when things are going wrong.That is of course assuming that you actually attend any . Have you any pics on FB to show us >?

  76. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 03, 2015, 22:04 #66188

    There seems to be a new spat developing. Is it a sort of dumbed down tribute to the earlier one?

  77. Lee afc

    Feb 03, 2015, 21:47 #66187

    Will someone spell it out for dear old Jeff. He's a bit slow these days. next Tuesday Jeff... It's what most people think you are.

  78. goonercolesyboy

    Feb 03, 2015, 21:38 #66186

    jeff I just remembered that your keyboard is still up your arse. You are clueless and lost. A mate of mine is just like Huck on Scandal, so make sure you have the best firewall around. See you next Tuesday, think about it.

  79. jeff wright

    Feb 03, 2015, 21:23 #66185

    goonercolesyboy , life is too short to be wasted on you yawn.. . Why do you keep saying that you will see people next week ? The only other person to do this is leeKFC .Perhaps you pair were separated at Birth,a case of have one get one free ! Let's face it though sunshine no sane person would want to meet a raging lunatic like you anywhere other than if you were under constraint in a strait jacket >>>>>> there should be a suitable smiley * added on here >> x... but alas no can do , never mind though it's the thought that counts . Bye bye.For now....unfortunately ....

  80. goonercolesyboy

    Feb 03, 2015, 20:45 #66184

    jeff. You continue to spout more mindless drivel in your attempt to save face. Your boring post said we had surrendered two goal leads, so clearly you are a fraud as your knowledge is wrong, once again. Keep up the good work jeff and more and more will recognise your pretence of being a supporter as lies, damn lies. See you next Tuesday.

  81. jeff wright

    Feb 03, 2015, 20:39 #66183

    goonercolesyboy ,a rather depressing set of results those that you post under the delusion that they prove something or other in your deluded mind. Under Arsene's tenure our defending has been school playground stuff for donkeys years,you should be,seeing as you are such an uber supporter ,more concerned about that than my memory of the exact circumstances of this nonsense . But as it's Arsene you will of course just make excuses as usual. Liverpoolas I recall it played with 10 men for most of the game as well and Skirtel scored wearing a bandage wrapped around his nut after Oliver accidentally kicked him in the head he still scored though while the BFG ducked out of the way. You couldn't make it up.

  82. goonercolesyboy

    Feb 03, 2015, 20:03 #66182

    jeff Swansea away we were one up and lost 2-1, Stoke away we were 3-0 down and lost 3-2 and Liverpool away we were 1-0 down, 2-1 up and drew 2-2. Great Arsenal supporter you are....

  83. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 03, 2015, 19:49 #66180

    Exeter, it certainly does, and a good sense of humour too, you could just see OGL in the roll of Mr Beans Brother.

  84. jeff wright

    Feb 03, 2015, 19:46 #66179

    Yes leeKFC, you are as usual though a bit late to the party,but hey isn't that the story of your life... 1-1 at home let's hope for a better result at the lane then otherwise our league position will look rather grimfor Arsene and you will have to disappear again just when it was getting to be fun and reappear under another nom de plume other than your current self important one ...it is your club of course as you are won't to say... you couldn't make it up.

  85. Lee afc

    Feb 03, 2015, 19:16 #66178

    Hey "always" I'm sure the last week of September against the spuds it was 1-1. Oooopps.

  86. jeff wright

    Feb 03, 2015, 19:08 #66177

    Dear Jamie, you come over as being some sort of witch finder general nutter constantly hunting down heretics who do not share your faith in Arsene and commenting on the ludicrousness of their comments. However it is not Durham who is responsible for the half empty stadium before full time or the thousands of supporters who prefer to do something else other than attend matches such as the Stoke and Villa ones .Wenger is to blame. The fact that he has been abused by disgruntled supporters at a railway station and by one at the Southampton game is also down to himself . That's football though and when you grow up you will have learnt this. Now in the meantime I suggest that you calm down and try and find something else to occupy your disturbed mind with other than fretting over a few comments about poor old Arsene . He is being well looked after with the players now doing his tactics in games for him .So no one can blame him if things go wrong it will be that big effin' German and co's fault . All he needs now is for someone to show him how to zip up his Puffa Jacket it's painful watching him struggle to do that Steve should offer to help out it's not as though he has anything else to do is it ?

  87. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 03, 2015, 19:02 #66176

    Mertesacker has said the best game defensively was at city, and that was a bit of a change (that's an under statement)and sometimes we have to do something that is unexpected (that's a bigger one)and all some of us have been wanting and asking for years, we've had plenty of meetings on what we needed to focus on (and that was pretty obvious)and implement it on the pitch (you don't say Sherlock)he doesn't say and i'm sure we'd love to know if OGL was involved or in attendance, maybe the fact he didn't tells us something.

  88. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 03, 2015, 18:19 #66174

    Cornish, rumor has it Ivan has already been on the blower to arry about an advisory role, what clinched it for OGL was when he heard arry wasn't fit and needed an operation.

  89. Badarse

    Feb 03, 2015, 18:07 #66173

    No Rocky RIP, you have it exactly right. I am in part an activist, and on occasions practise the laissez-faire you talk of. I generally assess and decide whether it is worth going for the burn or not, for any particular cause. I see rebellion at AFC as counter-productive. I believe the fall out would/could damage the club, perhaps irreparably. I can see the time approaching when a new man takes over, and he will get my unbridled support for the duration. AW enjoys that support now. If that makes me guilty of keeping him in his post, as some suggest those they see as AW supporters do, then so be it. I am not responsible for their personal forms of myopia. Though I would add that if they feel they are in some kind of purgatory whilst he is at the helm it does tickle me. I might say it is deserving. There are so many worthwhile causes scrambling for my attention that it is foolish to even consider the problems at AFC as paramount-they barely register. That does not make me guilty of a nefarious crime, but I do love my Arsenal and that might.

  90. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 03, 2015, 18:05 #66172

    Ron, I won't apologise but Rocky was edging towards accusations of playing the man not the ball and I wanted to shut that down. What I've had to say today can stand on its own merits. It's all evidence based stuff; I don't see anyone pointing out an inconsistency or lack of cohesion.

  91. JAMIE

    Feb 03, 2015, 18:01 #66171

    If you read the Adrian Durham Daily Mail column you will find that this is where the WOB's get most of their ridiculous verbiage from.

  92. Ron

    Feb 03, 2015, 17:44 #66170

    EG - You shouldn't be edging towards being apologetic re yr stance on yr exchanges with Badarse on this one thread. Its been the same for ages and never before have the challenges to him been taken to the wire and he doesn't like it. There have been one one or two of us before who've locked horns with him at length though ive no doubt at all that he can reach into a repertoire of spite in his retorts (which perversely he accuses others of frequently as a defence mechanism)which usually quells the engagement or otherwise he slinks off until his steam pressure valve relieves from the red zone.Our resident philosopher doesn't like it up him im afraid but loves to dish it out. Mr Baddie is a cyber chameleon it always seems to me. The genial old bewhiskered grandad with a nipper bouncing on each knee in front of the fire on one hand, yet after midnight on a full moon he morphs into the Hound of the Baskerville's.

  93. jeff wright

    Feb 03, 2015, 17:41 #66169

    I make you right Westie regarding Maureen's lack of faith in his squadies .I'm not convinced though about Arsene being fussed about using them he has played second string ones in big games while leaving top players such as RVP ,Gallas ,et, on the bench.That was against Chelsea in the League Cup final in Cardiff . He also did it against them in a FAC semi at Wembley.Wenger left Giroud out against Bayern last term starting instead with the hapless clumsy Sanago up front . His persistence with duffers like Almunia for years also shows that he doesent really bother too much about using inferior players in his teams .The GK situation at the club is still way below that of our opponents and there really is no excuse for that. Mourinho drills his players in a tight nit defensive way tactically , whereas Arsene goes for a more passing moves and attacking style of play .There has been some more pragmatic approach adopted recently since the win at Poundlands ,I think that we caught them at the right time and exploited the situation well. In my view Wenger is more likely to get results against Pelligrini than he is against other top managers due to City's style of play. So far ,since this change to being more pragmatic, we have not conceded the first goal in any games and that when playing this way helps .It will be interesting to see how we cope when we go a goal down first and have to chase the game our new GK has yet to be really put to the test and young Coq must be thinking what was all the fuss about this is easy ! Wenger is not known for his tactical nous and sticks rigidly to pre-match planned subs and tactics. This is all well and good if things go to plan but he often struggles when they do not as we have seen again this season at Swansea ,Stoke and Liverpool where completely against the run of play we went two goals ahead but couldn't defend the lead .So again I reiterate that I will wait awhile and see how things transpire with this new alleged more defensive approach .The fact though that players have had to force Wenger to adopt this approach only strengthens the case for him obtaining his 8m a year wages by fraud. I can't imagine Sir Jocko or Jose having THEIR players deciding how THEY should play.

  94. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 03, 2015, 17:41 #66168

    For you MG from the BBC: "I need immediate surgery," said Wenger. "If I can't give 100%, it's better for someone else to take over the zipper."

  95. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 03, 2015, 17:36 #66167

    Exeter, your first line nearly gave me the most joyous heart attack any one could have.

  96. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 03, 2015, 17:20 #66166

    @Westlower, I wouldn't doubt the impact of injuries at any club, but when it cuts across seasons, it's clear there is something endemic going on. Putting it all down to 'bad luck' means we'll be sitting here in a year's time saying the same thing. @Rocky, read back through the posts, if you can bothered (it's gone on rather a long time), and find your own answers to your questions. I don't know the man, only a narrow sphere of his arguments, and am deconstructing and drawing conclusions based on this specific online persona. In other words, it's nothing to take personally. I've been trying to play the ball, not the man. The man is not 'here' for me to play!

  97. Ron

    Feb 03, 2015, 17:18 #66164

    A lot of what you say there Westie is axiomatic. Some good sense and good points there, though to suggest that Liv and the Totts have resolved their 'best team'formation is fanciful in my view. If there are 2 Clubs who patently haven't i would suggest that its those two and yet they're breathing down Arsenals neck whilst their Coach's ( 3 yrs and 1 season into their jobs respectively) mix and match and make do. The dilemmas that you posit are also true for all Clubs and you seem to disregard a little bit that the need for a 'best team' isnt really apposite to football today.Its not 1971. No player expects to play every game as they're part of a squad. Rotation especially at the top of the game is accepted in the main and if it isnt players move on and seek more games with different Clubs. Though the points made are fair enough, it doesn't let AFC and/or Wenger off the hook as smoothly as you would like it too. Yr comments have been part of the bedrock of the Clubs excuse for not having genuinely challenged for the title at any time since 2004, or at best only challenged genuinely one one occasion since then(2007/08). How long you can empathise with the Club on this is a matter for you of course, but trotting it out for 10 years as AFC do takes the biscuit for many of the supporters.The excuse you're offering is so superficial really now bordering on being redundant.

  98. Rocky RIP

    Feb 03, 2015, 17:01 #66163

    Exeter - so his agenda is merely about relationships and interaction with others on this board and his role within it? Interesting. So any conflict of interest with him or his 'agenda' is more ad hominem than a disagreement over specific footballing matters? As for what I made of his comment, I recognised immediately where he was coming from.

  99. Westlower

    Feb 03, 2015, 16:48 #66162

    @Exeter, In theory you are absolutely right in learning from mistakes. Putting it into practice is more difficult. It's easier to tweak & correct the wrongs if the coach can preach to the same team every week. This season we've fielded 28 different players. It must have an adverse effect on the 11 that play. We've had at least 14 combinations of back 4 + GK. Since Kos has returned the defence has solidified but it's far from perfect. The experience of Debuchy has been lost and promising as Bellerin & Chambers are they'll make mistakes as they learn their trade. It's not a good basis on which to take on the top teams. Please don't read this as excuse making for Wenger as any coach suffers when consistent team selection is denied him. Herr Klop is the perfect example how a team suffers due to losing key players to injury or are sold off for financial reasons. Who could have forecast that BD would be in bottom place of the Bundesliga after 18 games, winning only 4. The effect of injuries prevents the team from reaching it's optimum performances. BD will pick up when Klopp has his key players back and approaching their best form. Klopp isn't a gung-ho coach, but he cannot fully affect the team if his charges are out of form & suffering from a lack of confidence. I've no doubt they'll take off anytime soon and I expect that will start tomorrow against Augsburg. Thankfully Arsenal have players returning and we're seeing better form as a consequence. To lose Giroud to a broken leg in August was typical of our injury woes. They're still a way to go to be on a par with CFC but we're certainly not in decline. I personally believe Schneiderlin is the missing part of our jigsaw, proving Ospina continues his good form. In my experience finding the best XI often happens by chance. The chemistry of a team is dependent on many variables & the coach may only witness his best team playing together on a few rare occasions due to selection restrictions. Wenger admitted this week that he's still not sure of his best team. Does it include Theo, Caz & Ozil at the same time for example? I'm sure not many of us on this site would agree on our best XI. Chelsea have been blessed with very few of their players suffering long term injuries, but the past week asked difficult questions of them due to fixture congestion & it's ultimate toll. Maureen's demeanor speaks volumes of his anxiety when missing key players like Costa & Fab. His flop against Bradford was primarily due to 9 changes in his team & he doesn't cope well when represented by the squad players. He has been able to select the same team in the PL more times than any other coach & it's been a major plus for him. Liverpool & TH are also hitting top stride now that their coaches have figured out their best XI. @CG The Arsenal board wouldn't let Harry Redknapp within a mile of the Emirates.

  100. jeff wright

    Feb 03, 2015, 16:35 #66161

    Arry has also resigned from QPR,saying that he had taken the club as far as he could. That was to Newcastle.

  101. jeff wright

    Feb 03, 2015, 16:23 #66158

    Better luck this time then wot! If not then our league points will be even less than last season at this time. It's amazing how we have turned a corner and are yet 12 points worse off than last term same games played .No doubt though there is some logical explanation available at AKB HQ to explain this anomaly .

  102. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 03, 2015, 16:14 #66157

    NEWS FLASH: Arsene Wenger has resigned as Arsenal manager with immediate effect due to imminent zip surgery.

  103. Rancid Polecat

    Feb 03, 2015, 16:01 #66155

    We drew with the spuds.

  104. jeff wright

    Feb 03, 2015, 15:44 #66154

    The big problem as I see it and judging by the thousands who no longer bother attending games , or if they do many leave early , is that the Wenger regime has become boring and so predictable.The win at City,playing anti-football, aroused some expectations of a change of approach with the result being more important than the football played to obtain it.We will have to see how things work out over the remainder of the season before arriving at any conclusions about corners having been turned . Coq has done well so far after being chucked in against City by a desperate Wenger I see some similarities between him and the sort of rave reviews and optimism that Chambers received earlier in the season he was doing well until Wenger overplayed him so let's hope that with the forthcoming amount of fixtures that we will have to play that Wenger doesn't flog him to death .Wenger needs to win every tie in Europe and the FAC to triumph in those comps and has little room for error in the Prem .It looks a tough call to me and other sides that we have to play such as Liverpool,Chelsea and United ( we won only one point from our 3 games played against them) are all in good form and showing no signs of wilting .We have beaten the spuds though at home they are another who have supposed to have turned a corner since the earlier part of the season. This game on Saturday is probably the biggest one for sometime between us and them .It should be more of a test than hapless Villa was and is a 6 pointer double whammy for us .There has been various team selections that some have suggested but Wenger always shows his hand he must be a lousy poker player,taking off Giroud,Ozil and Wally before the end of the farce against Lambert's deadbeats to me suggests that he will start with the same side against the spuds that started against Villa,barring injuries in training .

  105. jjetplane

    Feb 03, 2015, 15:41 #66153

    CG Hilarious! EG one has to admire the sublime deviancy of WESTIE's spin. Full marks but still must try harder.

  106. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 03, 2015, 15:38 #66152

    Rocky, his agenda is to be seen as an important figure on this board, a conduit, a lightning rod, a martyr. What did you make of his "...as if I am responsible in some way for AW still being at the club" comment?

  107. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 03, 2015, 15:32 #66151

    Remember now boys no ganging up on the poor hard done by, they might tell teacher and we'll all get detention and extra homework along with 100 lines, I must not gang up on ***********

  108. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 03, 2015, 15:17 #66150

    Westlower, doubtless you're right Wenger and the board will decide and you're right it is about mental attitude to setbacks. But here (surprise, surprise) is where we part. Some believe in a full critical analysis in order to learn from mistakes and make the changes necessary whilst others believe in blaming anything and anyone but the most powerful employee at the club and have a 'forget it and move on' attitude to defeat - an attitude which perpetuates the problems and ensures one goes around and around in circles.

  109. A Cornish Gooner

    Feb 03, 2015, 15:11 #66149

    Westie. What odds on Harry Redknapp becoming the new Arsenal manager?

  110. Ron

    Feb 03, 2015, 15:00 #66148

    Seek succour from wherever you want Badarse and i can understand why you're scratching for it now like a hedgehog in the snow. The disagreements many endure with you and yr historic attitude here is longstanding. I challenge you now to define which part of my 69503 reply to yr 'invite' post as you quaintly call it is in anyway aimed AT you or personal to you? The exchanges here became tainted when you reverted to type in yr retort post 69508. That post typifies your oft repeated form and why so many find your posts hypocritical, unpleasant, overly personal and disingenuous at worst and finger wagging at best. EG has done nothing other than but expose you and systematically strip you down to the bone. The sheer number of the lads on here who take a pop at you suggests that its you that needs to take heed of your own holier than thou criticisms of others and not vica versa, though somehow i rather suspect that self analysis features little in yr life. There are a few of us seemingly now who aren't going to 'concede ground' either when it comes to dealing with yr attacks either.

  111. jjetplane

    Feb 03, 2015, 14:44 #66147

    The Body of Christ.

  112. Westlower

    Feb 03, 2015, 14:42 #66145

    I feel the AKB v WOB dispute overlooks the fundamental differences between the warring factions. Isn't it about mental attitude and how an individual copes with the inevitable setbacks. Some people can come back swinging after a defeat, while others want revenge on the person (s) who've hurt them. While the blood is still up, criticism's go over the top & like minded people add to the verbal destruction of the team/club/manager. Others leap to defend the club in the face of such criticism, constructive or otherwise. This mentality is ingrained in us from the school playground. There is no right or wrong way to support the club as all factions want the club to succeed. The differences between supporters is one of ideology, Evolution v Revolution, rather than AKB's v WOB's. Most fair minded individuals will thank Wenger for his efforts but will welcome the new guy with open arms as and when it happens. I think everyone agrees Wenger will see this season to its fruition, so there's very little to be gained with the continual mud slinging. Doubtless Wenger & the board will decide on the moment of departure, regardless of what supporters believe to be best for AFC.

  113. Torbay gooner

    Feb 03, 2015, 14:42 #66146

    Tend to agree with Tony Evans comments on this. I would like this to be Wenger's last season for all of the lack of ambition, poor tactics, failure to strengthen the team in key areas and baffling bullsh*t spouted in countless interviews. However, I would find it difficult to stop supporting the team, even though it has become harder to do so over the last few years. I enjoyed the performance against Villa even though they are clearly a struggling team because up until say the Newcastle performance the football played by the team up until that point (with the notable exception of Sanchez) has been the most lack lustre and frankly dull that I could remember for many a long year. At last there is now some competition for places and that will hopefully inspire a better 2nd half of the season.

  114. Rocky RIP

    Feb 03, 2015, 14:39 #66143

    Badarse - rarely a captain, no, but thanks all the same and thanks for the nod. Exeter - I'm not sure Badarse actually has an agenda, does he? He has a perspective and a stance, which is isn't vehemently anti-Wenger or about getting him sacked. It's a more circumspect approach where rocking the boat isn't really for him. He may see the faults, but isn't signing any petitions as he can see the good aspects. This may uphold the status quo, which is a problem for many as it keeps Wenger in his job, but just because he isn't descending on the Holloway Bowl with flaming torches demanding Wenger's head on a spike, doesn't mean he has an agenda which is counter to this. Not being anti Wenger doesn't necessarily mean you equally pro Wenger on the opposite side of the scale. Some have a more laissez faire approach. Or have I got you wrong Badarse?

  115. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 03, 2015, 14:20 #66142

    Badarse, this has all been covered. No one holds you responsible for AW still being at the club - that's a remarkable mix of self-conceit and victimhood. Like Ron said, you're still taking criticism of the club as a personal slight. People gun for you because you tell them off for the way they choose to respond. Read back through the comments, your interpretation is demonstrably wrong, but you'll cling to it because it suits your own agenda.

  116. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 03, 2015, 14:19 #66141

    mark from Aylesbury, thanks for reminding me about the quisling, if anybody's interested there's one in my local next week, a table of four, fiver a head and the questions shouldn't be to difficult for some on here.

  117. Mynty Pothon

    Feb 03, 2015, 14:19 #66140

    Am I too late for the 30 minute argument? The 5 minute one will do....

  118. Rocky RIP

    Feb 03, 2015, 14:18 #66139

    Bard - I understand the analogy. Unfortunately (as I've said numerous times) when fans are treated as customers, they will rightly demand value for money. A decent return on some of the most expensive tickets in world football will be the least these 'customers' will expect. Hence disappointment, dissatisfaction and weak brand loyalty if results don't match expectations. Modern football has made a rod for its own back in many ways, and Arsenal are as guilty as any. It's the old lemonade football for champagne prices argument. Intelligent fans can see they are customers funding a business model, rather than valued and loyal fans.

  119. Moscow Gooner

    Feb 03, 2015, 14:11 #66138

    I don't think it's a question of 'not enjoying' wins like that against Villa - I arrived early and left late (still don't understand why thousands stream out at the 85 minute mark having spent so much to be there??! Lemmings?) The problem is we see the club effectively stuck in a groove year on year on year: a little investment in a defensive midfielder might have seen us put in a sustained challenge for the title this year. Instead we'll get 4th. And maybe the FA Cup. And next season, the same will happen - ad nauseam. Those of us who we're watching Arsenal in the '60s or even in the mid '80s, could derive comfort from a sense of progress and evolution; now the quality is vastly better but we play in a plastic stadium with plastic fans and we are simply maintaining the status quo. No more, no less.

  120. Mark from aylesbury

    Feb 03, 2015, 14:11 #66137

    I currently choose to believe that either by accident, player power or road to Damascus type moment someone in the Arsenal unit has got the trio of midfield working in a tighter axis therefore creating less exposure to our defence. Conceding percentage of play but creating a sharp counter attacking team. This was not evident against top 4 sides over the past 5 years. For Wengers next 3 years long may it continue. That is my attempt to square the Arsenal playing well / want Wenger to go circle,

  121. Badarse

    Feb 03, 2015, 14:09 #66135

    Astounding posts Rocky RIP. I enjoyed the game and gave concise details why. I noted maguiresbridge and jeff griping, so posed a question, leave aside the AFC clatter and tell me what you want, (what would make you happy)? Ron responded with some negative comments, both at the club and myself, E/G quickly followed suit. It was as a direct response to these two posts that the bickering began. They ignored the original invite and dived straight in with what I regard as an agenda. This is what I find tiresome. The misunderstandings, misinterpretations, and gunning for me when they feel like it, as if I am responsible in some way for AW still being at the club. I am not a victim, though it may read that way. I never concede ground when I feel justified in not doing so, but am very conciliatory, and always prepared to kiss and make up. It's just the groundhog day aspect of the griping-seemingly wanting a pound of flesh, and my flesh at that. Glad you saw the sense in my posts. Were you a captain in your playing days?

  122. Bard

    Feb 03, 2015, 14:05 #66134

    Rocky. I for one am a big picture man but I can enjoy the moment, albeit in context. But we are not Newcastle. We dont have the luxury of paying diddley squat to watch PL footy, we pay huge ticket prices and are constantly being told we are a top top club challenging for trophies. If I supported Derby I would have more sympathy for your point. I have made the point before,if I spend 20000 on a car I dont jump for joy because it starts first time, I expect a little more for my money.

  123. Tony Evans

    Feb 03, 2015, 13:46 #66132

    Rocky RIP - I can see where you are coming from and I agree with your sentiments. I have never known any manager divide opinion the way Wenger has / does, and he has driven most of us round the bend these last 7 or 8 years or so with his daft comments; cavalier style of football; not getting the best out of players by playing them in unfamiliar positions; buying some truly awful tosh....I could go on but you know them all anyway. My best mate has given up on Arsenal completely because of this and reading some of the comments on here I think plenty of others have too. The FA Cup win was the big one for me and I told myself that if I couldn't enjoy my club winning a trophy because of Wenger it was time to call it a day on 45 years of support. I did enjoy it though - forgot all about Wenger, and that is what I am doing now. You are right that a few others on here should do the same, and never mind that Wenger is still in charge. I will find it hard to trust Wenger ever again and fully understand where his critics on here are coming from (I'm one of the biggest) but let's all enjoy a possible new beginning even if we harbour massive doubts about how long it will last.

  124. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 03, 2015, 13:43 #66131

    Rocky, they may elsewhere but not on here because it'll be seized upon with 'See, we/Wenger were right all along' by the AKBs.

  125. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 03, 2015, 13:36 #66130

    Bard, well said mate, it's not Robbie burns time of the year for nothing just like Robbie himself, unfortunately no matter how many times it's said it will keep going in one ear and out the other and right over heads with wengerites on here.

  126. Rocky RIP

    Feb 03, 2015, 13:31 #66129

    Exeter - fair point. I just find it baffling that some people find it so hard to ever say anything good about the club they support or its players.

  127. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 03, 2015, 13:22 #66128

    Rocky, in my experience, having others implore/demand you give 'credit where it's due' makes most people less likely to do so.

  128. Rocky RIP

    Feb 03, 2015, 13:07 #66126

    Ron - I'm familiar with and recognise all the points you make. It's very well trodden ground. Many of us who love our club so much that it pains us to see some of the stuff that has happened and we want changes of some description at the top (for me it's about the owner and the power vacuum, but let's not go there for now.) I'm glad we've got fans who give enough of a s*** to bang the drum for what they believe to be right. I was merely giving my interpretation of the Badarse/EG spat. Some are more capable of detaching from the bigger picture and enjoying the moment in a modicum of isolation. Others seem loathed to see past a bigger agenda to ever give praise or express joy and will immediately leap on anyone they think is being naïve enough to point out anything good. It would be refreshing to hear certain people point out, for example, how f'ing well Cazorla is playing or what a signing Alexis was, rather than the same old mithering. It's called balance. (And yes, once again, I grasp the importance of the context of any result.)

  129. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 03, 2015, 12:50 #66125

    It's not you provoking me, Rocky, so no need to apologise. You can see how name calling and accusations might do so though. I'm afraid Badarse 'asks for it' with his finger wagging, as I've already pointed out to him, but I also would disassociate myself from any playground bullying. I argue for myself, by myself and attempt to pick apart the points of others using reason and logic - which perhaps comes across as cold and 'nasty' but that won't stop me. By the way, I agree with your contention that "For some, nothing will ever do until Wenger goes, that's abundantly clear from their daily posts, which I assume we'll read every day until his contract expires." As you've said before, some have thrown in the towel with Wenger and you totally understand why. I don't think there is any way back from that. So yes, his continued tenure is a blight on the enjoyment of the moment, along with the realisation, based on repeated precedence, that those moments will not lead anywhere significant.

  130. Ron

    Feb 03, 2015, 12:42 #66124

    Rocky - its a case that those of us who want to see some radical change at the Club in the form of the Coach and yes, maybe even the ownership changing do enjoy any win. The instant doesn't need to be isolated from the grander picture though. One is a momentary feeling of enjoyment, the other is not to let the momentary interfere with the wider view on what the Club is, is becoming, has become or how it needs to change in our view. Many of us have held these opinions for years before this message board was born. Damning those of us who believe radical change is needed at the Club by accusing us of being too miserable to enjoy the instant is a convenient device, in the absence of a decent argument thats used by those who back the status quo to prop up what are in our view are the indefensible defences of Wengers longevity there. They have a inexplicable attachment to Wenger and his longevity ,not necessarily the person in a way that reeks of a spouse in a poor marriage remaining loyal to the marriage concept and not the spouse that's nearly impossible to sustain. Ferguson had longevity and a record to accompany and justify its continuance. Wenger's longevity is totally disjointed from and at odds with his record, unless the far lower level definition of 'success' defined at AFC is accepted that the Club via its spin sells as being something better than it is (that would never be accepted at Utd by their supporters or the Club). I rather suspect that many of those who hold the views that i and so many others on here do, have actually down the Wenger years put more of their own cash into the Club via buying match and Season tickets than have those who see things now as being acceptable. Investing in the Club in this way doesn't make one a 'better' fan, but it certainly makes one demand the Club acts in a way as befits its status and available resources rather than selling a pup or a myth. To bring it back to the instant, these quite frequent drubbings of poor teams like the Villa the other day are used by the Club to reinforce its spin that the Clubs heading in the right direction. Many of us have rejected the spin as it no longer washes and doesn't reflect what we see. Others revel in it or fail to recognise it, or in Badarse's case/or Brians (whoever he is this week) its all of that, coupled with the equally convenient choice to dismiss any criticism of the Club as a personal slight. In fairness, its only him on here that reacts in that way. Most are thankfully better balanced posters.

  131. Rocky RIP

    Feb 03, 2015, 12:31 #66123

    Exeter - I don't really want an 'argument' about the politics and dynamics of this board as it becomes conflated and impossible to distil into a cogent debate. People align themselves with certain other people's opinions and approaches to following Arsenal. If it descends into playground bullying then it all becomes a bit nasty and any meaningful debate becomes futile. (I'm not aiming that at you by the way.) I wasn't aware I was provoking you. Apologies if you felt antagonised. Equally I feel Badarse is getting picked on sometimes. (Fair enough if you are merely defending a point, but personal insults from any side is poor.) I love a good (heated) football debate, but anyone ganging up and bullying someone into submission is a bit low.

  132. jjetplane

    Feb 03, 2015, 12:20 #66122

    Oh to be a dowdy, plastic socialist. Homage indeed .... Now to catch up on some of that exhibition football. As mundane as horse racing. Yesterday's dreams/today all sorrows/just like Wenger/fading away .....

  133. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 03, 2015, 12:18 #66121

    To clarify for you, Rocky, the argument has moved on to the dynamics on this board, more specifically Badarse's contention that there is some kind of 'movement' with 'leaders' and 'sycophancy', and that some deliberately seek conflict and are 'nasty'. I've used his own words against him to demonstrate his hypocrisy, and I've illustrated why his contention regarding emotional responses to victories is patently wrong. If he or you can find a fault in these arguments - rather than keep saying 'you're not very nice' in various forms of words - then go ahead and tell us. Otherwise, I'll stop if others stop provoking me.

  134. Paul Adams

    Feb 03, 2015, 11:58 #66120

    @Red Mamber, you ask can anyone do better than Wenger. at the moment Of course there is, his name is Jeff Wright & he knows it all! You can read his rantings a few times on this site.You couldnt make it up COYG

  135. Rocky RIP

    Feb 03, 2015, 11:49 #66119

    Exeter - you say to Badarse 'you cannot win the actual argument' and talk of him being 'proved wrong'. Can we clarify what this 'actual argument' is? To me, it's a case of some people trying to enjoy the here and now of a victory, taken in isolation as far as is possible, but being constantly told look at the bigger picture and the wider context ie. it just papers over the cracks, we are flat track bullies, we've been here before, don't be fooled by the impressive facade of thrashing Villa, we are treading water, stuck in a perpetual cycle of challenging for fourth and will never compete for the title again until Wenger goes, etc, etc. All of which I grasp. Is there genuinely anyone who thinks things are ideal and our needs in the transfer market are continually being met? That our squad hasn't been imbalanced? That there's a sense of going round in circles since 2008, etc. I'm certainly not oblivious to all this. My take on Badarse's original point was that he was asking, despite your obvious dissatisfaction with Wenger, what will it take for you and others to display any form of pleasure or satisfaction from an Arsenal performance? (Arsenal, ie the club you support.) For some, nothing will ever do until Wenger goes, that's abundantly clear from their daily posts, which I assume we'll read every day until his contract expires. I guess Badarse is seeing if you are capable of dropping the wider context and long-range forecast for a moment and just enjoy the moment. PL goal of the season from an Arsenal player? Irrelevant in some people's eyes it would seem as it merely papers over the cracks. Or have I misconstrued the debate? (And yes, I DO SEE THE IMPORTANCE OF THE BIGGER PICTURE.)PS. Imagine being a Newcastle fan. How do they stay upbeat when they haven't won a trophy since 1969?

  136. GoonerRon

    Feb 03, 2015, 11:30 #66118

    @ Jeff - weak response at best. I don't think it matters how you try and dress it up, just admit that it's nonsense to use an FA Cup 4th round tie away from home against lower league opposition with far from our strongest team as a gauge for how we will fare in a two legged tie in the CL with a largely different line up.

  137. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 03, 2015, 11:20 #66117

    "Why the need to be conflicting in such a confrontational manner?" This from a man calling me a 'wally' 'whining' and now 'macho' and is using overblown, almost hysterical language elsewhere, as Ron has just pointed out (if that's not too sycophantic of me). You're trying to stand on higher ground when everyone can see you at eye level. Sorry if proving someone wrong is 'macho' of me.

  138. Fozzy

    Feb 03, 2015, 11:08 #66116

    Oh, how I enjoyed the upbeat piece, Kev. Totally agree with you about Walnutt and Marty Feldman. Neither deserve a starting place against Totterington. Walnutt was again useless and got very lucky on the lead-up to his goal. Thank goodness he didn't have time to think about it because the ball would have ended up in Row Z. And Marty Feldman is not the right choice for the battle next Saturday, with more evidence of ducking out of challenges and not tracking back. Far better to save both of them for the home game on Tuesday.

  139. mark from aylesbury

    Feb 03, 2015, 11:01 #66115

    Badarse - I stood aside during these discussions as I feel that the Man from Exeter is quietly slicing your arguments to ribbons. However I feel now is time to add a little thought. You know many of us have had to suffer your martyrdom, your supposed fights for freedom, I reckon if you were 20 years older you would be claiming you marched from Jarrow. Or perhaps acted a fantasy as a Spanish Civil war veteran. Now I hear we are all quislings. Perhaps as your psychology starts to unravel we may understand a truth? Perhaps you had the moment of the quisling in your past?!? You certainly seem to need to constantly justify your righteousness. I reckon Baddie there are a few on this site who have take a moral stand against something possibly at risk to themselves. Only you though seem to need to constantly blabber on. To quote you " So, so, childlike though. Boring, tiresome dirges, trotted out by the same effete crew. ------ Pots and kettles Mr Badarse

  140. Ron

    Feb 03, 2015, 10:51 #66114

    Gooner Ron - In fairness to AW he does seems to thrown off his philosophical shackles a bit and resorted to a bit more of a pragmatic approach. For how long though who knows, as he has done it before for a series of games in the last few seasons when needs have demanded it.It must be murder for him if he is being forced to compromise rather than it being of his own doing as seems to be the case.

  141. Badarse

    Feb 03, 2015, 10:48 #66113

    Ha ha, loved that 24601. I see us two, perhaps GoonerRon and Rocky RIP, wearing the afro syrups, singing and strutting our stuff on stage...mmm, an idea for the Online Gooner Virtual End of the Pier Show this Summer?

  142. jeff wright

    Feb 03, 2015, 10:45 #66112

    GR,I used the Brighton game Cup tie for a yardstick to measure our chances against the top Euro sides away in the Euro Cup by because the tactics were those that Wenger always uses. These tactics have come up short in Europe for donkeys years. Regarding the City game Wenger himself said that the tactics were down to player power and not himself ,I believe him. Obviously he was back at the wheel for the Brighton game , THE SCORELINE OF 3-2 SAYS THAT,and the other recent ones .I give him credit for beating Brighton and Villa but I will wait until after Saturday's game before getting too excited that 4th place is now more OF A certainty. You couldn't make it up.

  143. Westlower

    Feb 03, 2015, 10:43 #66111

    Just to lighten the mood. Words from Reach Out by the Four Tops: Now if you feel that you can't go on, because all of your hope is gone, and your life is filled with much confusion, because your happiness is just an illusion, and the World around you is crumbling down, Gooners reach out, reach out! Arsenal will be there with a love to shelter you, Arsenal will be there with a love to see you through, Gooners reach out, reach out. When you're alone & about to give up, because your best ain't good enough, and you feel the World has gone cold, and your drifting out all on your own, and you need a hand to hold, Gooners reach out, reach out. Arsenal will be there with a love to shelter you.....enough of this nonsense, let hostilities recommence! TH 5/2, that does look overpriced?

  144. Badarse

    Feb 03, 2015, 10:33 #66110

    E/G you are clearly concerned about your lack of confidence-definite complex present, as your 'macho' muscle-flexing, the definition of which comes across in most posts, are worn on your sleeve. Why the need to be conflicting in such a confrontational manner? Or the need to trot out examples of past victories? JAMIE is frustrated, and if you ignore the parts of his posts where he picks WOBs up and shakes them, you can see the sense and truth in his words, well perhaps you can't.

  145. Ron

    Feb 03, 2015, 10:26 #66109

    Good old Baddie - loving the bits about 'imagined status' and 'political chicanery'and yet the 'dirge' is all from other posters who suffer from 'disorders'?? Get over yourself. More bizarre with each post and it all suggests that you've lost the plot a bit fella. Anyway, ill leave you in EGs tender hands.

  146. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 03, 2015, 10:23 #66108

    JAMIE said: "Never heard any thing that these prophets of doom have spoken that has actually come to fruition." Prophets of Doom, Jan '14 "If the squad isn't strengthened, the title challenge will fall way". Prophets of Doom, Summer '14 "Having only 6 defenders will cost us". Just two examples of 'prophecies' that have come to fruition. JAMIE, you have just been got the better of online. Does it really feel like the first time?

  147. Alsace

    Feb 03, 2015, 10:22 #66107

    A decent keeper. A fit defensive midfielder committed to that task and staying in position, a team sitting back and using it's pace to hit on the break. Has competence arrived? Yes if the manager is happy to let it stay. He won't be. We will scrap in the right way for 4th place and come next season, its back to the headless chicken "plan". A thoroughly enjoyable afternoon with some excellent performances. Rosicky creates and drives. We can't do without him. Really like Bellerin.

  148. Red Member

    Feb 03, 2015, 10:05 #66106

    can't fault Arsenal or Wenger since Southampton - is there a manager out there who could have done better? No.Is there anyone who could do better over the final 3 months of the season? That is the big question.

  149. JAMIE

    Feb 03, 2015, 9:57 #66105

    I love it how these wobs can still complain even after a 5-0 victory.They love to tell us how we mustn't celebrate until the end of the season,yet out of the other side of their mouths they tell us to judge Wenger now and not at the end of the season. I've never met one yet who has got the better of me online or in the flesh. Where I normally lift them in the air tweak their ears and cheeks pat them on the head and tell them to be on their way.

  150. Everyone

    Feb 03, 2015, 9:28 #66104

    @Goodarse Post no. 69572 So, so true!

  151. Westlower

    Feb 03, 2015, 9:24 #66103

    It was Groundhog Day in Gobbler's Knob (honestly), Punxsutawney, Pennsylvania yesterday, or was it the day before. No it's today, maybe it's tomorrow. Rest assured that our best loved knobs will continue to post on a regular basis because we just love our Groundhog Day arguments don't we?

  152. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 03, 2015, 9:18 #66102

    "The wider picture does not impinge on any fan's emotions when the team registers a victory, if it does then serious questions should be asked of the individual, that person is clearly suffering from some disorder." I've never read such nonsense. The fan's emotional reaction is directly related to the significance of the match in the wider context. If it's a friendly rather than a proper fixture, a fan will be less 'emotional'. If it's a cup final rather than an ordinary fixture, that will 'impinge' on the emotional response. If it's a league victory in a chase for the title or a chase for 4th, that will also impact on the emotional response. And the notion that there is a 'pecking order' on here is demonstrable nonsense. Some post more than others, and often a few voices agree, that is all there is to it. You choose to place your 'big brother' on a pedestal, but that does not mean the rest of us do that. You play a massive part in the 'childlike' exchanges on here, often provoking them. Look back at our recent exchange. It started with you accusing me of 'whining' in a post that was not directed at you or anyone else specifically on here. What did you expect to happen next? And someone showing you up via your own words is not 'bullying'. That's just 'victim' language, an attempt to win a moral victory when you cannot win the actual argument. Got any more?

  153. GoonerRon

    Feb 03, 2015, 8:52 #66101

    @ Jeff - so you decide to use the one game in the last 5 where we haven't kept a clean sheet as a barometer of our CL success? Typical. Also typical that you base our concession of goals in that game on Wenger controlling the tactics and then choose to ignore any involvement he might have had in our clean sheets. You can't have it both ways - either Wenger is a stubborn control freak who won't listen to anyone (and therefore he must be responsible for our general improvement), or he is tactically clueless (in which case he must have proved you wrong by opening his mind and taken new ideas on board).

  154. Tony Evans

    Feb 03, 2015, 8:40 #66100

    I am enjoying the current run of form and in particular the new found defensive resilience that has been missing for so long. I still wouldn't trust Wenger as far as I could throw him but if we continue to play as a balanced, defensively aware side that scores great goals then I couldn't give a damn who was in charge. The gripe that I, and most, if not all WOBs have and will find so hard to forgive Wenger for is the wasted years of cavalier football which left so many holes to drive the proverbial tank through. My guess is that the new found defensive stability has come as a result of the players, and Wenger stumbling on Coquelin in the nick of time - as a direct result of an injury to Arteta. I just don't get the feeling that Wenger is at the apex of this new dawning (if that is what it is) but is more the lucky beneficiary.

  155. Goodarse

    Feb 03, 2015, 8:20 #66099

    Yeah - if you can get it through the door.

  156. Badarse

    Feb 03, 2015, 8:15 #66098

    No Bard, it isn't the lack of ambition shared by AW and AFC which causes the disputes on this site at all. They certainly help to fuel the movement but as with pretty much everything, through religion, politics, washing powder 'brand loyalty', even the arts, once a mind set is established it becomes the recognised and accepted status quo. A pecking order develops amongst the tribe and we are up and running. Isn't that clear to you? I understand this as pretty standard fare when it comes to human behaviour. There can be two equally aggressive sides, and one is developing, but generally the pressure comes from one direction as an action, the 'pushing back' is the reaction to it. Personal issues are high on the agenda, 'He is the ball-player, knobble him!', becomes the game plan. Piranha and bull-terrier? 'Wallys', more like, but with a bully-boy attitude, who is worried about his imagined status, there is no room for logical discussion. The wider picture does not impinge on any fan's emotions when the team registers a victory, if it does then serious questions should be asked of the individual, that person is clearly suffering from some disorder. I haven't heard a drum beating, people yelling and screaming joyously, tooting of car horns-these are over-zealous statements to create a false image. It's political chicanery of a base level, because it's transparently obvious. It is no surprise I am very pro those who want the club to change in a sensible fashion, and organically. It is patently clear that the polarisation of the support, which is quite natural and a product of 'today' in it's extreme manifestations, means a simple understanding is necessary. Some do, some don't want revolution, which is often mooted, it means the discussions should be concerning what is happening on the pitch, or topics surrounding players. The constant whine from one side, being met by rebuttals from the other is kindergarten stuff. Some need to grow up, but cannot. Impasse! So, so, childlike though. Boring, tiresome dirges, trotted out by the same effete crew. Think I need to go for a walk to clear my head.

  157. Bard

    Feb 03, 2015, 7:05 #66097

    HB, I agree it doesnt much matter whether the teams personnel arrives by luck or judgement. It does seem as though there is truth to the rumour that the players have had major input into the recent tactics, which explains the siesmic shift against City. However beating a terrible Villa side while fun doesnt really indicate anything. If we beat the Spuds and show the same level of discipline against other good sides then I will maybe change my mind but history tells us we have been here too many times before to start bashing the drums. Again we are back to expectations, judging by the half empty ground on Sat, many fans have become disillusioned with the clubs lack of ambition. Its this lack of ambition epitomised by Wenger that is the cause of the disputes on here.

  158. A Cornish Gooner

    Feb 03, 2015, 2:28 #66096

    Does anyone else think that poor old Baddie might be a secret masochist? How can he control his dissociative identity disorder? Thats probably a no- brianer.

  159. lee armitt

    Feb 03, 2015, 1:15 #66095

    please not tim stillman he has the personality of a peanut

  160. Th14afc

    Feb 03, 2015, 0:41 #66094

    Good to see you back badarse,the site needs people like you....thoughts on the win,excellent all round,I know it's early days with ospina but I like how much of a calming influence he seems to have on the defence...young hector just gets better every game!the boss of defence 'Kos' was his usual brilliant self...that's just the defence,motm is very hard to choose,coquelin was excellent again as was santi but I have to go for mesut....I can't b bothered getting sucked into an argument on here tonight so will save it for another day

  161. jeff wright

    Feb 02, 2015, 23:49 #66093

    The casualty ward at London Colney will be disappointed that Arsene failed to find a new patient abroad to bring over for treatment. What with Diaby now off the ward after 5 years of treatment failed to work the oracle - but never mind he is laughing anyway,all the way to the bank.

  162. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 02, 2015, 23:37 #66092

    jw, he ran out of Benson & Hedges King size although Andrex soft would have sufficed ( doesn't the filling station on Holloway road not stay open till Twelve. He has a lot to thank Paul Lambert for.

  163. jeff wright

    Feb 02, 2015, 23:28 #66091

    Well GR,the Brighton game was a cup tie in which we had a first team out and our defending following on the City away result was again rather a shambles . Arsene must have retaken power off Ramsey and co. Against the top sides in Europe this sort of Wenger nonsense tactics of going for goals even when 2 ahead with 20 minutes to play will not be good enough. After all it's never worked before. Perhaps Ramsey should take over and let Arsene sort out the wages and other matters,oh,I forgot though ,he does that anyway! You couldn't make it up.

  164. jeff wright

    Feb 02, 2015, 23:15 #66090

    Er,no,goonercolesyboy, I was referring to a statement just made by an AFC spokesperson on the Sky bore fest deadline show that no player had been signed today because Wenger feels he did not need any. Perhaps he was unable to find one with a broken back or whatever. You couldn't make it up.

  165. GoonerRon

    Feb 02, 2015, 23:14 #66089

    @ Jeff - what the fook has a result in the FA Cup at Brighton got to do with our prospects in the CL? You couldn't make it up.

  166. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 02, 2015, 23:07 #66088

    Maybe we should have Big Ben chiming after every Arsenal win.

  167. goonercolesyboy

    Feb 02, 2015, 23:05 #66087

    jeff,did you miss the signing of Paulista from Villareal?

  168. goonercolesyboy

    Feb 02, 2015, 22:55 #66086

    jeff Wenger has three more years at the helm, so can you continue to spout your drivel for that long on here? What a boring life you lead if you do. And maguiresbridge, what is your agenda on here and can you dare to compete with jeff for three more years?

  169. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 02, 2015, 22:51 #66085

    Watching Jim White on Sky( Ron you don't know what your missing)Licking his lips checking his mobile phone trying to make a big deal out of the last twenty minutes of the transfer window is hilarious, it's nearly as funny as wengerites trying to make a big thing out of a routine win against relegation fodder for their messiah. You couldn't make it up. This win has come at a very convenient time hasn't it.

  170. Highbury Boy

    Feb 02, 2015, 22:40 #66084

    From whatever perspective it was a good result yesterday and whether you regard it as by luck or design the team has changed drastically since early season. For example from the first PL match v Palace only Koscielny,Ramsey and Cazorla started yesterday. No-one would have thought Ospina,Bellerin and Coquelin would be among the first names on the team sheet to face Spurs this Saturday. A different more balanced team has evolved.

  171. jeff wright

    Feb 02, 2015, 22:38 #66083

    leeKFC ,stop trying to make my anti your idol agenda into a AFC one . I couldn't give a monkeys that you and other AKB losers don't like my posts I won't be losing any sleep over it. In the meantime Arsene has not signed anyone despite other sides making some good signings.He is using the recent wins to justify not having done so we shall see if he was right not to sign anyone come May. That's when the chickens come home to roost in the Prem .Most likely a bit earlier in Europe as is usually the case.

  172. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 02, 2015, 22:16 #66082

    Jude jonlicour, that's one of the main requirement in/for an Arsenal player for AKB's and super fans, along with they're tryers and give it all and never hide.

  173. jeff wright

    Feb 02, 2015, 22:13 #66081

    Westie,I rarely have a wager on football games and never at odds on I came unstuck for big bucks once when doing so when of all sides Brown's Hull turned us over at home on a Saturday night , but if I did do then I would have got stuck in on that 2/7 with us playing at home against a team that can't score goals! You couldn't make it up.There were better bets and odds to be had though on the gee - gees so I concentrated on them last weekend and showed a profit on doing that. My view on our prospects in the Prem 4th place trophy stakes is that our games against Liverpool ,h, April 4th. Chelsea,h,April 25th. United,a,May 16,will decide Arsene's fate .There are 9 big points involved against sides that we don't do well against and yesterday's stroll in the park against shot-shy Villa is irrelevant to this reality. I can't see us winning the Euro-Cup either we only beat Brighton 3-2 away and theyare no world beaters albeit that Wenger's obsession with trying to do win the bigeared jug could again prove costly in its impact on our Prem results.The FAC is a possibility but no certainty it's just the same old again really with the league title long gone and the reality,note that word , being that Wenger will be judged on whether or not he secures Champs League football again next season,you get a Ropey Cup place for finishing 5th and that is all you get for winning the FAC. Regarding Saturday's tussle at SHL I think that we need to win the game because Liverpool look capable of beating Everton who are struggling this season at home. The red scousers are on the up and have closed the gap on us despite the so called good run of results that we are supposed to have had. We have to at least match their results until the end of season to finish ahead of them. Starting on Saturday . I am making no predictions it really will be all about how we turn out on the day. With our recent wins though I expect Arsene to go for broke a draw is no good he needs to win every game now in three comps a draw would normally do at the lane but due to his own inept management he is now a hostage to fortune in the Prem regarding results apart from our own ones.This makes life tougher but hey that's your Arsene Wenger !

  174. Lee afc

    Feb 02, 2015, 21:58 #66080

    Jeff. No no no its not the anti Wenger attitude that you have but it appears that more and more gooners are fed up with your total lack of support for AFC. Hatred is one thing, stupidity is your middle name.

  175. Ron

    Feb 02, 2015, 21:50 #66079

    Keep digging that hole Badarse. You've got yr hands full with EG there though. Hes like a flesh eating piranha the way hes measured you out and now chewing you up. JJs like a bull terrier chewing at that badarse of yrs Good luck. Youre going need it Bri lad.

  176. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 02, 2015, 21:47 #66078

    And the little AKB who uses toilet paper instead of shaking it has made an appearance, and he's going to be at the lane on Saturday, Wow what a fan.

  177. Bard

    Feb 02, 2015, 21:42 #66077

    What fun tonight. Nothing like a 5-0 win against a bunch of losers to create havoc among the faithful. The AKB cavalry are out in force with their sharpened knives and moronic logic, critical analysis becomes disloyalty and disaffection. The big picture dissed as carping, I love it. I think the win against Villa indicates that we have every chance of winning the CL and anyone who disagrees can f*** down the lane. Dontcha luv em

  178. Westlower

    Feb 02, 2015, 21:34 #66076

    @Jeff, It's not so much a case of who I think will win, it's do I want to bet at 2/7. It simply doesn't offer value for money, although some punters are happy to bet £700 to win £200 & I hope you did. I was happy to bet the combined draw + AV at 100/30. If AV scored first it throws up the opportunity to back Arsenal at around 6/4 in play but it never happened. I staked £15 on a Lucky 15 at Lingfield & Wolves this afternoon & it returned £310. The same £15 on Arsenal at 2/7 would have won £4.28. My biggest ever football bet was £1,300 on Arsenal to beat Southampton in the 2003 FA Cup Final & thanks to Bobby Pires I won £800 but that is not my normal betting style. These days I treat football bets as a bit of fun & save the serious bets for the flat season. Sadly, my biggest football wins have come from Man U, especially when they won the treble in 99. I only backed them in case the jammy bast**ds pulled it off. They have a massive advantage being in league with the devil (FA, Sky & refs)!

  179. jeff wright y

    Feb 02, 2015, 21:33 #66075

    goonercolesyboy , so it's my anti-Wenger views that upset you,now who would have thought that ! No surprise to see that Wenger lover leeKFC is jumping up and down like a chicken on a hotplate supporting you . nly in your deluded mind are you winning the argument but delusion is something that all AKB's do,you have to do it because the reality of Wenger's management can't be defended logically . You will be gone again though once a bad result occurs and, with Wenger,that is never ever very far away. If you want to carry on making a fool of yourself on here then carry on doing so.

  180. goonercolesyboy

    Feb 02, 2015, 21:09 #66074

    Jeff, you are the idiot, spouting your normal anti Wenger drivel. I come onto this site every so often to see what's happening and see who is still posting...you are not a supporter of Arsenal, you are a supporter of your views. You lead the boring life and have nothing to type but rubbish. I will ask my doctor not to give me my pill so i can shove your keyboard up your arsenal.

  181. Lee afc

    Feb 02, 2015, 21:08 #66073

    goonercolesyboy...... well done mate.. Jeff is an irritable, pathetic, lost, poor soul who loves nothing better than slating us at every given oportunity. Keep giving it to him and he may well disappear up his own arse.

  182. Capt Frank

    Feb 02, 2015, 20:54 #66072

    It comes to something when I find myself nodding in agreement with Jamie, especially as I have been (and remain) a WOB. However, I'm very capable of enjoying a 5-0 win no matter who the opposition and would rather not caveat it with what may or may not happen next. I assume everyone who was sure we'd thrash Villa had good money on us winning by a three, four and five goal margin? There were good returns to be had for those that were that confident. I expected us to win, but have watched Arsenal for too long to take anything for granted. I'd assumed the rest of you were in the same boat, but seemingly you've never seen us lose a game you were sure we'd win? We are all Arsenal fans (with the exception of Finsbury Joe), so can't we just try to get on without the constant sniping?

  183. jeff wright

    Feb 02, 2015, 20:51 #66071

    goonercolesyboy,do you have any brains and if so then why don't you try to use them> ? My views are anti-Wenger along with thousands of other supporters who do not attend games now ,the empty seats don't lie, I have had more than enough of the clown. If you like watching his tippy tappy flashy football, that he had to ditch to even beat Wigan and Hull last season to win his only trophy in 9 tedious years, and that the players ducked out of using recently at City, to avoid another humiliation, and you are no bothered about Wenger's embarrassing record against Mourinho, then that is what you do sport .Don't confuse your dull slavish dog like devoted support for Wenger though with supporting Arsenal .It's idiots like you that have kept him in his job and the club stagnating in 4th place for a decade. Wake up and smell the coffee! So beating Villa 5-0 got you all excited like,wow! Jesus ept,you must lead a very boring life.

  184. jjetplane

    Feb 02, 2015, 20:49 #66070

    BADDIE feeds JAMiE the parrot lol half empty soccer malls, obliging fodder to beat and still the AKBs are unhappy. Methinks it's because you cannot convince yourselves that the last decade at Arsene fc has been pants. Still. wait til Theo gets his call up to Buckingham Palace and is awarded for his 'mental spirit.' Totally mental Arsenal! Good old RON.

  185. Jason B

    Feb 02, 2015, 20:46 #66069

    @ Finsbury Joe. Normal service will resume very soon indeed. Wiping the floor with your lot on Saturday!!

  186. JAMIE

    Feb 02, 2015, 20:26 #66068

    What do some people want on here? They say villa are crap,and yes they are going forward yet they only conceded 5 goals in their last six games in the Premiership and that included Manure and Pool.The flat track bullies mantra is getting rather weak too,What do you want Arsenal to do lose to these teams or draw or only win 1-0.You Wenger bashes should take a good hard look at yourself and the garbage that emanates out of your mouths on a daily basis.If it was up to the likes of magiurebridge and jeff wright we'd have the loser Klopp as our manager and be in a far worse position, I see he's taken an excellent team to a new low and he's the wob pin-up boy!It's like the 'We'd be mid table if it wasn't for Sanchez'dung that they were spewing out early in the season.It's a good thing Wenger doesn't listen to any of these experts or we'd be up the creek without the proverbial.Never heard any thing that these prophets of doom have spoken that has actually come to fruition.

  187. goonercolesyboy

    Feb 02, 2015, 20:20 #66067

    Jeff...do you support Arsenal and if so why?

  188. jeff wright

    Feb 02, 2015, 20:11 #66066

    goonercolesyboy, thankfully you appear tacdo have taken your medication tonight to control your Tourette's, apart from that it's just the same old waffle .Rather like Wenger's predictable 5-0's ... we have seen it all before,yawn.

  189. goonercolesyboy

    Feb 02, 2015, 19:58 #66065

    Jude, it was Galatasaray... Exeter, you don't deserve to have gunner in your moniker Maguiresbridge same applies to you Jeff, thank goodness you don't as that would be travesty JJetplane, what the hell are you on here for if you are a neutral? Good win against an average team but 5-0 is still a good win. See you at the Lane on Saturday then.....I thought not.

  190. Gooner Gaz

    Feb 02, 2015, 19:42 #66064

    Great performance yesterday but I am getting increasingly dismayed with our support. The players come out to a half full stadium and then finish the game to a half empty one. Do these people get in late and leave early at the cinema or theatre NO! so why should they do it at the Grove. It leaves the atmosphere very flat when like yesterday the players should have been given a standing ovation from a packed stadium. The boys deserve better!

  191. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 02, 2015, 19:32 #66063

    Badarse, what makes people come out of their 'dark places' is when they first respond, you tell them off for not responding in the correct way. That's when the opprobrium starts coming your way. Tip for you if you want that to stop - stop telling people off, stop 'correcting' them! And here you go again with the hypocrisy - you rush to praise practically every Westlower post, you even created a new persona partly in order to eulogise him anew. Yet if others agree it's 'sycophancy'. You keep getting out-argued, and you keep using emotive language to try and disguise that and pretend instead its a 'moral' argument. And your expectation that if you and Rocky have a go at me I should to just bow down and say "I see your right, chaps" rather than have a go back is plain ridiculous.

  192. Jude Jolicoeur

    Feb 02, 2015, 19:29 #66062

    Westlower: All that you (and all Ramsey’s apologists, really) have to support his place in the eleven is “stamina to burn?” I couldn’t give a monkey’s that he runs his socks off, and tries really hard. That’s the minimum requirement, mate. Cazorla, Ozil, and Rosicky have class he simply doesn’t have. I see a player desperate to complete a trick, and put the ball through the net. He’s trying to replicate the thunderstrike (in a dead rubber game) against Anderlecht, which will never happen again in his career. The goals during the run of play against Villa were side-footed, Aaron.

  193. jjetplane

    Feb 02, 2015, 19:24 #66061

    That is the thing I question. In what sense are you an Arsenal supporter? You've lost me there!

  194. Badarse

    Feb 02, 2015, 19:05 #66060

    Rocky RIP, that was a sweet gesture and is truly appreciated young man-I've said before, you do your moniker proud. I saw the essence of your common sense batted away with contempt by someone unable to grasp the fine lines of communication. I also recognise the need to absent oneself from the dirge of the posters on this site. It is such a shame that such ignorance is so persistent. Ask a simple question, or make a simple positive statement and they come out of their dark places like a pack of jackals. Someone, usually Ron, will come at you in a pompous and denigrating way, and sycophants slither out behind him with a chorus of, 'well done!'. Put him in his place with a common sense argument and he gets spiteful and bitchy-cue more, 'I'm with you Ron!' from the quislings. It becomes so tedious. Arsenal supporters? Too silly for words. Good old Arsenal.

  195. Hiccup

    Feb 02, 2015, 18:41 #66059

    I am on a roll and shall be upping my stake this weekend. I shall disclose how much I won on the Sunday. Looking at the Villa v Chelsea game and thinking along the lines that Villa have never gone 7 games without scoring? Mmmm? I'll sleep on that one...

  196. Jeff Wright's Mum

    Feb 02, 2015, 18:39 #66058

    Jeffrey! Come out of there at once! I know you don't take these 5-0 victories very well, but sitting in the dark with the curtains drawn won't help. Exeter phoned earlier. Sounded like he needed cheering up. Spaghetti hoops? On toast? Your favourite. Goin' cold.

  197. jeff wright

    Feb 02, 2015, 18:37 #66057

    GR, I along with everyone ,apart from Westie , expected us to beat Villa,so no agenda for me to put a spanner in. I will be complimentary though if we beat the spuds no matter how we do it .It's all about reality really.

  198. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 02, 2015, 18:33 #66056

    Badarse, jw, Ron, Exter, have answered you quite sufficiently so there's not much need for me as due to your love of your messiah it seems to go right over your head anyway, but saddened by our victory? where did you pull that one out of? that's something we'd expect from some others on here or raw recruit just out of AKB central who uses toilet paper instead of giving it a shake not someone like yourself, i thought you knew better than that. As for the Ole's, Critism? again where did you get that out of? I have nothing against them but my point was, and again has went right over your head, it'd mean a hell of a lot more against a good team who were giving or able to give as good as they were getting and who weren't lying down and had given up allowing us to do our usual fast track bullying against, one who we'd take more enjoyment in humiliating like the spuds this weekend.

  199. Jeff Wright's mum

    Feb 02, 2015, 18:33 #66055

    Jeffrey! Stop talking ****e on that internet, your tea's ready!

  200. jjetplane

    Feb 02, 2015, 18:23 #66054

    This EXETErGUNNER bloke is great and no knickerbockers but am well up for a Wolfsburg shirt. New flavour of the moment and that's what you call giving someone a hiding laddie. Baddie - seems your problem is in trying to compete. You are not up to it. Bit like Wenger and his new humbling spin. Try it. That's it - no frothing, your team are on a roll matey ....

  201. Westlower

    Feb 02, 2015, 18:23 #66053

    @Hiccup, Every dog has his day and well done on your accurate prediction yesterday. May you continue your impressive forecasting. Perhaps I'll learn from my frequent mistakes and attain your high level one day. You are the Master and I'm the naive apprentice!

  202. Rocky RIP

    Feb 02, 2015, 18:22 #66052

    @ Groundhog - It's me! Ned Ry-arsene!

  203. Jason

    Feb 02, 2015, 18:18 #66051

    Some want Wenger in, Wenger out, we win five nil but still moan and shout, that's-what being a gooners a-bout. Ohhhhhhhh we're never happy, Ohhhhhhh Ozil's crappy, ohhhhhh Wenger's lucky, lets get online and moan moan moan!!!

  204. Hiccup

    Feb 02, 2015, 18:12 #66050

    Westie, just let it go fella. Every man and his dog expected us to wallop Villa, bar you. You got it wrong (again), so no need to keep explaining how you thought goalless and winless relegation fodder could get a point yesterday. Even I predicted a goal fest. I'm surprised you didn't throw in that Villa have won the European Cup too as part of your thinking. You just got your excuses in nice and early, because you had little faith in wenger, and then you could have told us how you saw it all coming. It's funny how all your bets come off 'after the event', but none come off pre event? Lambert favourite for next sacking. I fancy Steve Bruce myself.

  205. Rocky RIP

    Feb 02, 2015, 18:07 #66049

    Exeter - you say .. 'I've seen nothing 'useful or pertinent' from beyond meta-moaning about a lack of 'positivity' from other posters on here and 'totally understanding' why some have thrown in the towel in with Wenger without outlining why you understand that or why you may hold a differing view' .. - I've been giving my opinions on this stuff for years! Plus all manner of other subjects. Accusing me of never giving an opinion (codswallop or otherwise) is utter drivel I'm afraid. I'm exhausted from putting my stance across on the tiresome Wenger debate in all honesty and take breaks from this site every now and then.

  206. Its Groundhog Day

    Feb 02, 2015, 18:05 #66048

    Today is Groundhog Day when Punxsutawney Phil predicts whether winter will last for another 6 weeks.At Arsenal we have Groundhog season when Punxsutawney Arsene predicts another 4th place finish

  207. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 02, 2015, 17:57 #66047

    Rocky, I doubt if Badarse needs you to defend him, but accuse me of 'whining' and you're going to get it back, in spades. Same goes for you - I've seen nothing 'useful or pertinent' from beyond meta-moaning about a lack of 'positivity' from other posters on here and 'totally understanding' why some have thrown in the towel in with Wenger without outlining why you understand that or why you may hold a differing view - we don't even know, you never give it - or what you actually mean by 'demand high standards', what shape that would take. So perhaps you should look at the substance of your own 'contributions' before having a go at others for theirs.

  208. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 02, 2015, 17:42 #66046

    But you're not trapped in lift with me or anyone else here, Badarse. You don't have to let what we say get you down, just because we haven't responded in the way you have to the match. Just like we don't have to answer within the parameters that you set, if we feel like widening them. But it's genuinely funny - beyond satire - to be called a 'tired old man' by someone who must be a good quarter of a century older than me.

  209. Rocky RIP

    Feb 02, 2015, 17:41 #66045

    Exeter - please point us towards someone who is 'disproportionately cock-a-hoop'? at our fifth straight (5-0) win and provide examples of how they are being so. As I said before, any attempts at upbeat comments are shot down in flames. A bad back pass - 100 posts. Ozil's flick - no mention. All I'm reading is the usual pockets of praise with the usual 'yeah, but the bigger picture' (which I think we all get, I seriously do, thanks) pouring scorn on a victory from the incessant and slightly playground bullying wet blanket brigade. I'd never advocate apathy for our beloved club, we should demand high standards and I admire those who bang a drum for want of improvement, but if you've nothing useful or pertinent to contribute, maybe pipe down, back off from Badarse who is more affable and far more of a gentleman than you, and enjoy hearing about some congestion on the Exeter ring road on the traffic news. It might make your day.

  210. GoonerRon

    Feb 02, 2015, 17:32 #66044

    @ Jeff / Ron - who's 'drooling'? You obviously have too much of a downer to give any genuine praise when we play well, but this isn't true of everyone. Yes it was 'only' Villa and they aren't great but we put them to the sword when not many teams have done so this season. I don't see people going overboard with their praise or drooling. In fact, the only drooling is seemingly you two (whilst rocking back and forth in a dark room) hating the fact we won again to put a spanner in your agendas for this week.

  211. Badarse

    Feb 02, 2015, 17:31 #66043

    Fancy being trapped in a lift with you E/G, what joy, what fun we'd have. You just failed to follow the dialogue. I asked what was wanted from the game, explaining it clearly wasn't the problem. You misunderstood once more, or just wanted to stick the knife in AW's back. Seems it's just a phenomenonmenom we share. Now go and wash your mouth out you tired old man, and don't be so personal.

  212. Ron

    Feb 02, 2015, 17:26 #66042

    Westie - not at all mate. Im suggesting that the win's given some perspective. Villa were never in the game. The word inside Bodymoor Heath ie Villa s training ground a dozen miles from Villa Park is that Keane left there as a result of him telling and balling out certain Villa players they werent 'putting it in' and that was weeks back. He walked out in his disgust basically, there was nothing mutual about his departure. Their no show in may way proved him right. Badarse - youre response was predictable yet astonishingly even more caustic than your normal utterings. You really do have no equal in the making of babyish retorts and countenance no opinion other than your own. You certainly fail to cope with many of my own and other strongly held views and opinions from other posters. You have all of the hallmarks of one who feels threatened by anyone who advances a view that you don't accept and respond predictably by stamping your feet yet again. Have you never asked yourself why so many on here are so barbed towards you so often? You really ought to do so 'chum'. Act yr age for once in yr life for heavens sake. Do you really see a message board as creating 'opponents' and 'victory seekers'? Yr ramblings fool nobody and neither does your sham Mr bewhiskered nice guy routine either.Try getting out more you silly old sausage. Whatever would Brian think about you reading that last effort?

  213. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 02, 2015, 17:19 #66041

    Did I offer something worthwhile? More satire, Badarse? This from a chap yet to offer a counter-argument beyond 'I fear for our club'. This from the chap who gets indignant when taken the mickey out of after trying to dupe his fellow posters with a new ID, then tells someone else to 'take a chill pill, it's all fun and games'. This from one who talks regularly of 'opponents' and how few there are on his 'side', then says "it's not a conflict" when it suits him. This from the man who thinks others don't grasping his true meaning. Ever considered you don't express yourself very clearly? Or is there 'nothing worthwhile' behind the long-winded blather?

  214. Barnaby

    Feb 02, 2015, 17:18 #66040

    I used to stick up for schezney, but he is a big disappointment. He should have been nearer de geas skill, but I think he would b better off at a league 2 side, or maybe non league lololololol

  215. Badarse

    Feb 02, 2015, 17:18 #66039

    No need to save the 'oles' maguiresbridge, they are limitless, the fans can do it again the next time too. Is that your main criticism? Why even bother to mention it? They were just having fun...whoops, think I've answered my own question.

  216. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 02, 2015, 17:12 #66038

    What was all this Ole ole about after every (deliberate) tippy tappy pass with five minutes to go? (apart from boost OGL's ego)what does/did it prove? against a woeful team who haven't scored in the prem in some ten hours or more, with relegation written all over them? Lets save it for a good team who we weren't 5-0 up against (or were) and had gave up, and until there's something to ole for and show at the end of it.

  217. Danny

    Feb 02, 2015, 17:08 #66037

    OK we beat a crap Villa side Lets see how we perform against the SPUDS. Tough game and i think it could end up 1-1 Not impressed with the greasy Turk. so he scored big deal. Need to put in more enough like Alex and be more consistent As far as i am concerned, Wenger is doing enough to get 4th place

  218. Badarse

    Feb 02, 2015, 17:01 #66036

    Ron and jeff, we want and expect different things from life, and am glad. Ron, as usual you presume too much. You suggest I am beguiled by a myth. You accuse me of 'drooling', and that it is superficial anyway, as it really just endorses my pro-view of Wenger. Then say by all I do I buy into something which clearly is beneath you, and your wisdom. How pompous! You always sound like the counsel for the prosecution. Beneath your words is a wicked accusation that I somehow am denying your path to a deserved victory. If I was only bright enough to see the light you so beneficently shine upon the game then somehow, as if by magic, we could all get a bigger and better slice of the cake. Come down a level chum. It was mooted to put any vitriol directed at AW aside and discuss emotions resulting from the game. You failed in that, and the poison bubbled out. Your view is just a regular hackneyed outlook, which holds no sway with myself, or like-minded souls-though you have jj creaming his knickerbockers again. It's just impossible to hold sensible dialogue. Bard am in total agreement. As a preference I too want an even tactical battle, (and to finish triumphant if possible), however it was AV and as the fear of a banana skin result is always present it was great to put them to the sword. The future of AW and any consistency is open to conjecture, so understand any trepidation on that count. OK jeff, we just don't connect. Did you offer something worthwhile E/G? Thought not-same old whining.

  219. Westlower

    Feb 02, 2015, 17:01 #66035

    @Ron, Are you suggesting we should be condemning a 5-0 victory purely to stick another knife into Wengers back? Villa were still in the game until the 2nd goal. They abandoned their normal approach of parking the bus for playing a high line instead but it backfired on them. If they had equalised either side of half time who knows how the remainder of the game would have developed. As fans we enjoy our team getting the rub of the green & it doesn't follow that we are holding the club back by celebrating a convincing win. Prior to this game Villa had only conceded 25 goals in 22 games, so it was an untypical Villa performance. Their confidence is shot due to not scoring goals, which highlights the attacking side of the game is no less important than defending. Finally a word of praise for Anthony Taylor who had a good game, only getting it wrong on Ozil's disallowed goal. Tweet of the week by Gary Lineker, 'The Wenger out brigade are deafening us with their silence.'

  220. Ron

    Feb 02, 2015, 17:00 #66034

    EG - The last sentence of yr post 69505 is certainly the telling one mate. The droolers have stopped peeking from behind the curtains now since the results have picked up after weeks away in the cold waiting to emerge. The results like Sat will flow for a bit now that the Clubs under no pressure to strive for anything beyond the tiresome norm.Same every Season as you say.

  221. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 02, 2015, 16:48 #66033

    What do we want? How about a squad and a set up that can last for a whole season for once, rather than part of one? Last season it was the first half, this season it looks like the second half. It's too little, too late. The season was botched last summer and in the first half of it. The realistic best case scenario from this season is matching last season's achievements - with less points, and with no time spent at the top. AFC are currently on the run of results they always have at some point each season, in which they pick up a big chunk of the points they need to finish 4th. You just need one or two runs of a few games like that a season to achieve that goal. I too suspect that the reason some are so disproportionately cock-a-hoop has a lot to do with it taking the heat off dear old Arsene.

  222. jeff wright

    Feb 02, 2015, 16:26 #66032

    You asked me what I wanted Badarse and I told you.You then went on to give a lecture about what turns YOU on about us winning a game that everyone expected us to win .You have to take account of the opposition when handing out the brownie points and the overall picture that the game fits into. I suggest that it was just another case of papering over the cracks with a predictable fast track bullies show against inferior opponents on the perfect pitch.Again I point out that the thousands of empty seats show that many supporters do not share your exuberance for these games and want something more that fighting for 4th place before they do get excited again about Wenger's teams. He is only a couple of bad results away in Europe and the FAC from another poor season,the cup win last term saved him , but here we are again out of the the title race with the AKB's drooling over us beating Villa at home in the never ending saga of defending the 4th place trophy.(yawn)

  223. Ron

    Feb 02, 2015, 16:25 #66031

    Badarse - i think yr take on the football at Arsenal was pretty much how most of us were post 2006 to about 2010 in fairness. Many were beguiled by the barca lite myth as you still seem to be, but around 4 years ago, it was questioned and challenged and has continued to be. The irony of all this was encapsulated in that non game v Villa on Sunday in that 2 Coach's were there who both need removing so to radically direct their respective Clubs in different directions. Villa s loss is part of a constant and remorseless downward spiral gaining pace. Arsenals was a bit more of what has all been seen before which keeps their plateaux on the same level as its been for far too long in the opinion of many. Is that really sumptuous? Its good that there are fan s like you who can get enjoyment in the instant by games like that. I do when i watch other Clubs, but for Arsenal ive paid for and watched too many drubbings like that v teams who were lacking heart and will to win and so often such games have been used to spin the myth that AFC are right on track for better things. Its hasn't happened though has it and they're will be more drubbings of such teams. Lambert himself has accused his players having 'given up'. That needs to be factored in to the 'joy' of a routine win id suggest. The drooling over it by yourself and others is really only betraying an underlying wish and intent to try and show that Wenger still has what it takes. The sad thing is that there are still many who are buying into it and others who are opting out totally. In my submission exuding the merits of such wins v rubbish opponents is preserving the status quo at Arsenal in a way which does the Club no favours and advances our progress not one jot.

  224. jjetplane

    Feb 02, 2015, 16:03 #66030

    And there speaks the rabid, resident Scientologist. YAWN ......

  225. Bard

    Feb 02, 2015, 15:56 #66029

    Welcome back Baddie, you took your time. Im more of a revolving door man myself. Sliding doors have been my undoing in the past as I never know which way they slide. Teams evolve as much by luck as judgement and I am happy that Hector and Coq have come through by hook or by crook but what sets my pulse going is a high class game where nuances tactical or otherwise really matter. Im not much of 5-0 fan really, I prefer the tight tactical battle that top games are often about. I give Wenger credit for seizing the moment but I remain unconvinced that he has the bottle or nous to win big matches consistently. Can he change at 65 I doubt it but we shall see.

  226. Badarse

    Feb 02, 2015, 15:49 #66028

    jeff, I understand all that, but asked you to put it to one side. What do you want, was my question. I went into the match knowing and understanding the whole scenario, but went into it ready to do battle, metaphorically lacing up my boots once more. We made amazing patterns across the pitch, on occasions served up such artistry, sumptuous passes, wonderful strikes, great tackles, a couple of very good saves, fine interceptions from bright anticipations, and spirited camaraderie both during, and at the end of the game. A welcome springboard for the dive into the NLD on Saturday. I cheered, got excited, and thoroughly enjoyed myself. I am embracing life, not awaiting the perfect game-which will never arrive. I am living for today, is your life in perpetual stasis?

  227. Torbay gooner

    Feb 02, 2015, 15:47 #66027

    Yes good win against a team that has relegation stamped all over it. Some well taken goals and nice for once to have several players in good form. Different game of course against that shower down the road on Sat, but hopefully we will retain the defensive discipline that we showed against Man City. They are hardly anything special and as long as we can shackle Kane and don't give away silly free-kicks around the edge of the box it's a great opportunity to keep the mini run going.

  228. Badarse

    Feb 02, 2015, 15:33 #66026

    Hi Gaz, chris was right to challenge, you answered. Think on this, the whole of life is a 'sliding doors' moment-stretched over a lifetime. We just don't visualise it occurring. My wife is stunning, intelligent, beautiful, and loves me. Now I know I am pretty stunning too, but clearly not in her league. That was a fortunate happenstance in meeting her. My powers of sexual attraction certainly are magnetic, but not so powerful-I played no part in orchestrating the meeting. Pat Rice developing as a right back allowed Bertie/Don to put Peter Storey into midfield as a destroyer. That single option won us the Double in '71. Fortuitous that Patsy came through at the right time? Absolutely! It wasn't planned, it happened due to circumstances presented. Managers are scrutinised relentlessly. Can you imagine us under a microscope? jeff scratching his bum, in close up? jj dropping his pizza on the kitchen floor, blowing the fluff off it, then frisbeeing it to his guests? It would be frightening. Whether you walk through the next sliding doors or not, another set awaits your next decision.

  229. GoonerRon

    Feb 02, 2015, 15:31 #66025

    @Jeff - you say we are just competing for 4th but we're one point off 3rd and 6 off 2nd (having closed the gap on Citeh by taking 4 points from them this season and beating them again in the CShield). So whilst you like to peddle your line about top 4 it's not strictly the case is it?

  230. Ron

    Feb 02, 2015, 15:27 #66024

    Coqulein was out on loan with a view to selling him just the same as any other intention behind any other loan arrangement has always been at the Arse or any other Club in the main. You're right Jeff, for the present at least whatever mileage there is in le coq has arisen through a bit of luck.Nothing wrong with that, but yes the bullshine that accompanies it makes you smile doesn't it.

  231. Finsbury Joe

    Feb 02, 2015, 15:26 #66023

    Amusing to see the Wenger loving media and AKBs so excited about one result against the worst team in the league. But even such a convincing win cannot disguise the fact that the manager is a tactically inept dictator, the club have no ambition, and the players ...with perhaps one exception do not have a winning mentality. Believe me, normal service will resume all too soon

  232. jeff wright

    Feb 02, 2015, 15:17 #66022

    TBH, Badarse it all looks rather familiar these things that you mention .I'm not disputing that we played 'some fine football' but it's just the same old Emirates Experience show papering over the cracks that are obviously still there because we are just competing for 4th place with Liverpool and the spuds .Last season it was just Everton ,we have lss points than last season on the board and are going nowhere under Wenger. If you are hapy with this then bully for yoi,but again those thousands of empty seats show that a good many supporters have had enough of Wenger's illusions and want to see ud cmpeting for t first place and not 4th.The old excuses about lack of money and injuries are not working the oracle now with more and more supporters realizing that it's Wenger's management that is the real problem .Most folk find it hard to get excited about these sort of wins against modest oppo at home.In fact the away win at City using more pragmatic tactics against playing a top opponent caused more excitement ,it turned out though that it wass player power and not Wenger who decided on that approach .We will have to see what transpires on Saturday at the lane of pain . I suspect that Wenger wil go for goals as usual and we won't see the type of deep defending that was on show at Poundlands. The result of the game will of course either justify or condemn Wenger's tactics. I'm not convinced by the spuds myself they blow hot and cold ,but obviously due to some recent results they can't be dismissed lightly. Let's hope then that Arsene gets things right. I think he's had a bit of luck lately with one thing and another and I don't buy this he knew that Coq was goig to come good so he loaned him out to get him match fit malarkey. Wenger ain't that ****ing bright ! He got lucky ,it could be another Cashley scenario when he was brought back from on loan to Palace . Let's face it though we all know ( well some of us do) that if Arteta was fit then Coq would still be out on loan .You couldn't make it up.

  233. Westlower

    Feb 02, 2015, 15:11 #66021

    Compare our lot with Borussia Dortmund. Both are into the last 16 of ECL after qualifying with 13 points each. The similarities end there as BD have dropped into bottom place in the Bundesliga, only winning 4 of their 18 games & only scoring 18 goals. This is the team that plays in front of 80,000 passionate supporters, coached by Klopp, captained by Hummels, Marco Reus, Sven Bender, Gundogan, etc. Surely their fortunes will soon take an upward swing? Maybe they are suffering from the infamous World Cup hangover, aka, BFG & Ozil. Stories have been resurrected of Reus wishing to join Arsenal. Also noted that not one team in France scored more than one goal at the weekend. You Gooners are spoiled rotten at the rip roaring, goal scoring Emirates!

  234. Gaz

    Feb 02, 2015, 14:54 #66020

    @Chris: No issue at all fella and no line being spun. Good fortune has played it's part but in the spirit of fairness yes Wenger has used that good fortune to his own advantage. Lets hope it carries on into the next few months...

  235. Badarse

    Feb 02, 2015, 14:47 #66019

    OK we beat teams weaker than ourselves, mix it with similar standard sides, and struggle against better teams. Isn't that the natural order of things? If an argument is widened and AW is the butt of frustration fine, tactical ineptness then that too is fine. However we are generally discussing the here and now in a performance, and that was a fine win against a lesser side, with tougher to come in the next game. Why do some want to muddy the waters? jeff and maguiresbridge, you seem so demonstrably saddened by our victory. It was a fine performance, with some wonderful football. Did you overlook that? What do you want? I ask you to leave aside those factors mentioned. We played AV, a lesser side, beat them in style, and we are in a purple patch of form, with many injured players returning. So again, what do you want?

  236. Chris

    Feb 02, 2015, 14:34 #66018

    Gaz - I don't reckon anything of the sort but that's not the point, is it? You're so keen to spin a line that you cite good fortune in one respect whilst completely ignoring the other side of the coin, and then attempt to make problem out of the fact that Wenger his job by replacing an out of form player with one he thought might do better! As for Le Coq - he was, in the manager's own words, sent on loan to Charlton (rather than sold) because he was making great strides in training but needed playing time. He was brought back because of injuries to more-preferred players. FFS, where's the issue?

  237. jeff wright

    Feb 02, 2015, 14:12 #66017

    MG,you are right if we can't beat a side at home that has not scored a goal for 10 hours then we might as well give up. Actually watching the game closely without my LRTS on I noticed a flat patch at the start of the second half during which better sides than woeful Villa might have exploited . They certainly made life easier for us with their kamikaze defending and lack of a cutting edge. Overall though it was just another routine fast track bullies performance to add to the increasingly large number of them that can be added to the future DVD "Fast Track Bullies Away!" On paper it all looks swingingly good with another set of calendar year type stat's to drool over but it's the bigger picture that counts and a glance at the league table shows that Liverpool who were a few points adrift of us at one time have now closed the gap as indeed have the spuds and Southampton ,despite losing yesterday are still ahead of us on G/D .The game on Saturday is obviously a vital one in the context of this season deja vu Liverpool away to Everton, making it a tale of two derbies .It should all be good fun though .

  238. Ghost of Highbury

    Feb 02, 2015, 14:09 #66016

    Love how the Spuds are getting excited about Kane.. They never learn! Bring on the weekend - should be fun...

  239. Bard

    Feb 02, 2015, 14:03 #66015

    Ive seen the Totts a couple times this season on the box and they won't be a pushover. To me it will give a clear sign as to whether we have turned a corner or not. We need to leave Wally and Ozil on the bench and play with the same discipline and energy as we did against City. A draw will be an ok result. Alternatively we could play all the usual favourites and bomb forward in our more familiar suicidal formation and get picked off.Re Giroud, maybe he is feeling the pressure of the competition for places, an unfamiliar situation at the club usually.

  240. David

    Feb 02, 2015, 13:57 #66014

    All encouraging signs - and agreed on the potential for a run of good results. As you mentioned, had this been 10-15 years ago the expectation would've been for a charge at the title. This current Chelsea side is 10% short of what they were under Mourinho 10 years ago, and a good side could catch them. Odds on Arsenal winning the league last week were 50:1, now they're 40:1. Someone's getting nervous...or excited

  241. Gaz

    Feb 02, 2015, 13:57 #66013

    @Chris: General concensous is that Ospina has contributed to this recent good run of form and is now a better keeper than Szczesney. I think a lot of fans suspected this before Szczseneys latest big mistake. No doubt you also reckon Wenger was always planning on replacing Arteta/Flamini with Coqualin?...

  242. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 02, 2015, 13:38 #66012

    Gimmie five? a bit early for that Kev isn't that what the team, OGL, and his fans do when they're celebrating (with a few bounces thrown in)the fourth place trophy and reaching his holy grail position, but I suppose their near enough it. Bouldy certainly didn't need his clip board in this one, they all could have sat in the directors box, and OGL could have stayed at home, because if ever there was a game or a result that could be called, or a winner pre-empted it was yesterday there's a reason villa haven't scored in hours of football they were woeful awful relegation material if ever there was one, even we couldn't cock that one up. Even so it was a good team display with wally even getting in on the act instead of just talking a good game although it didn't take him long to pop back up and tell us how he did it. I was impressed with Ospina (that's certainly not something that can be said of any of our keepers over the years thanks to OGL persevering with second class rubbish)he looks confident especially on crosses in the middle of players essential in a keeper lets hope it lasts, but there's no guarantee of that in this coaching regime especially if/when peyton gets his claws in to him and/or favourite Chesney is brought back. A decent run of form indeed (again)and nothing to get carried away with against a team with relegation written all over it, lets do it more often on a more regular basis and have something to show for it at the end of the season instead of a trophy we cant see before we start soiling our pants (again) starting with next Saturday.

  243. Ron

    Feb 02, 2015, 13:35 #66011

    I cant see Ozil getting a game at the Spuds for the reasons stated. Ozil only looks great v midfield's who dont tackle and give him 5 mins to decide what to do and then to execute it as AV did. Walcott should be left out in my view as well. He has no sharpness, looks slow and cumbersome and Sanchez will be back anyway. Its hard to see how Walcott can get a game with Sanchez in the team. Giroud and Sanchez will start v Tottenham. The new signing will be on the bench too. Westie has called it right as i see it. Bellerin could do some damage to the spuds left side if hes given licence to get at them as i read it seeing the totts on saturday. Keep it tight at the back and Monreal holding a more defensive full back role to support his CBs will be needed. The NLD will be a decent proving ground for Ospina. Hes had no test at all yet since he replaced the selfie queen.

  244. jjetplane

    Feb 02, 2015, 13:32 #66010

    Sir Theo back in all his pomp 'the most one-sided second half I have played in.' He could be on to something as some of the one-sided games he has featured in over the last couple of seasons, he managed not to play at all. Nice post that RON and you are right on the Kane thing - Roy of the Rovers **** at the moment. Nice also to hear the Wok has an early flush unit on Sundays and as a confirmed neutral I look forward to the coming weeks.

  245. Chris

    Feb 02, 2015, 13:31 #66009

    Gaz - "Theres no doubt that good fortune has played a big part in how we're currently performing." Just as bad luck played a big part in our poor from earlier in the season.... "it took an almighty clanger for Ospina to finally get his chance!" How is that down to good fortune? The manager made a decision based on form, as managers do....

  246. Gaz

    Feb 02, 2015, 13:08 #66008

    Mesut Ozil is a fantastic player but the simple fact is when he's playing we attack with 11 players-when we're defending we defend with 10 players! Not sure we can do that against the likes of an in-form spurs side...

  247. AMG

    Feb 02, 2015, 12:57 #66006

    Westlower - I'd start with Alexis upfront on his own. I agree Giroud is looking a better all round player, but he hasn't really shown it against the top teams. I appreciate the line up I've backed doesn't leave much height, but I'd like to see us play an aggressive compact game against Spurs then hit them fast on the break. With the odd exception, Giroud rarely fits into that system. I also agree with other's assessment of Ozil, I love him as a skilful player, but going to SHL is always a battle. Rosicky, while slight, is much more of a fighter than Ozil and always seems to play a blinder against the scum.

  248. Gaz

    Feb 02, 2015, 12:53 #66005

    Great all-round performance with Bellerin beginning to look like a very very good right-back. Good to see Ozil influencing the game rather than flirting around the edges of it. Theres no doubt that good fortune has played a big part in how we're currently performing. After all if it wasn't for the dreaded injuries Coqualin would be nowhere near this side and it took an almighty clanger for Ospina to finally get his chance! That said theres no doubt in my mind that we're beginning to resemble a side with real purpose rather than a side that just wants to score goals and entertain. Or in other words we'd have still won this game a few months back but not without conceding the odd goal ourselves! Is this the real thing then? Well we'll see next weekend I guess...

  249. Badarse

    Feb 02, 2015, 12:52 #66004

    Thank you Kevin. Barring injuries the team probably should remain almost as is, with Theo and/or Mesut giving way to Ox and/or Alexis. Really like Bellerin and the Coq.

  250. Westlower

    Feb 02, 2015, 12:52 #66003

    @AMG, Your preferred starting line up with Theo & Rosicky means any 2 of Ozil, Giroud & Alexis will be missing out. Are you sure?

  251. DJ

    Feb 02, 2015, 12:47 #66002

    I agree with our esteemed editor Ozil can not be risked in the bear pit at the lane. Ozil and Carzola are vying for one position and at the moment Santi is in the box seat. It’s alright shunting one of them out wide and letting them interchange against the weaker teams such as Villa but in the bigger games, which I hope we are competing in later this season, the team needs better balance. Ox (if fit) should start outwide with Sanchez next week with Giroud up front. That leaves Ozil, Walcott and Welbeck as options to come off the bench. If we keep our discipline three points are definitely attainable from our affable neighbours!

  252. Ron

    Feb 02, 2015, 12:45 #66001

    Good performance. Echo 'We are buildings' comment though. Villa looked like a team with no heart or desire. Suspect Lambert may be out of work before much longer. A half empty stadium well before the end sums up the punters frequenting the Grove these days. PS Attended WBA v Spurs on Saturday on 'a complimentary'. Expected and hoped for at least a narrow WBA win or a draw. Dare i say it but Pochettini is gradually developing some thing there and Kane is a breath of fresh air to that PL. A draw at the spuds for Arsenal will be a result of sorts.

  253. AMG

    Feb 02, 2015, 12:15 #66000

    Great performance, good to see the players looking committed and like they're enjoying it. Not sure I've seen a finer pass this season than Ozil's for the first goal. I'd like to see Rosicky and Walcott start against Spurs with Coquelin, Ramsey and Cazorla (is it the same Cazorla?) There can be no excuses for Wenger now, he has the players (provided Le Coq can keep up his form) - Last chance to deliver something more meaningful than 4th place.

  254. Tony Evans

    Feb 02, 2015, 12:13 #65999

    Someone seems to have got through to Wenger that possession counts for nowt and gung-ho football will get you nowhere. Whoever it was I would like to shake their hand and also ask them why it has taken so long for the penny to drop.

  255. Bard

    Feb 02, 2015, 11:55 #65998

    I enjoyed the game despite Villa being terrible. I can watch Ozil all day, Bellerin looks promising and Ospina is more solid than Chez. The problem is there is no pressure because we are so far behind in the league there really isn't much to play for. The best we can hope for is that in the big games we put in the same type of performance as we did against City and that will stands us in good stead for next season. The team for the Totts will give us a better idea of where we are. To my mind you can't play Wally or Ozil in the big games because they are woeful defensively.

  256. GoonerRon

    Feb 02, 2015, 11:24 #65997

    Great performance and high calibre finishing. Whether it's Ospina's influence I don't know but we look really calm in defence - seem to be getting into good positions and playing out from the back when we can but not afraid to launch it when required. The balance in the team feels about right at the moment. It's also great to have players reaching the top of their form at the same time. Couple that with the likes of Ozil and Theo pressing home their claims for places we've got serious competition which is great. 12 wins from 15 is not to be sniffed at and if we can get past Spurs with a win we've got a reasonable run of fixtures on paper to keep our run going.

  257. HowardL

    Feb 02, 2015, 11:23 #65996

    A truly enjoyable afternoon. Bellerin was excellent and his inch-perfect goal fully deserved. Saturday will be much more challenging - but I'm looking forward to it!

  258. Smithy

    Feb 02, 2015, 11:23 #65995

    Is ospina is miles ahead of Cheney. His distribution is excellent as is his decision making and command of the box. The jitters hAve gone since he came in.

  259. Westlower

    Feb 02, 2015, 11:16 #65994

    Has Giroud found an extra yard of pace or is he simply approaching his peak form after his broken leg? He looks the part leading the line, his pass to Ozil for the 2nd goal was sublime. Is there a more complete centre forward in the PL at present? I agree with Martin Keown's assessment that Ramsey is a key ingredient in the midfield helping Coquelin. He has stamina to burn and is not as gung-ho as he was earlier in the season but he'll still score goals with his lung bursting runs. Contrary to the notion that Arsenal's squad is too thin, are we now in a position where we have too many players? I would imagine Alexis will replace Theo at the Lane & in the absence of the Ox the team may remain the same. The pace of Bellerin is a lethal weapon. Longer term, where to fit in Wilshere, Welbeck, Ox? Short term, Theo & Rosicky will be most effective coming off the bench. Not surprising that we've let 3 strikers go out on loan. Be interesting to see if Gabriel can dislodge BFG or Kos, his playing style would probably compliment BFG better. We'll learn much more about the team at the Lane on Saturday.

  260. Mathew

    Feb 02, 2015, 11:09 #65993

    Only worries for me from yesterday was the empty stands and Mertesacker's backpasses. Did someone said a thing or two to Wenger about possession, it was below 50% again yesterday, Spurs should be worried.

  261. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Feb 02, 2015, 10:51 #65992

    For the first time in a long time, I knew the opposition were going to get a good hiding before the game even started. A nice feeling. It helped that Villa were absolutely woeful but you can only beat who's in front of you. So, to the Lane on Saturday.

  262. chris dee

    Feb 02, 2015, 10:39 #65991

    If Bellerin can defend as well as he can attack,them we've got a player