Vic Groves

Tribute to the recently departed former Arsenal captain



Vic Groves

Rest In Peace


First of all, this isn't meant to be an in-depth look at Vic Groves' career at Arsenal. No, I'll leave that to people much better than me to do the great man justice. This is a tribute to the values he upheld and the love he had for our club. Unfortunately, it is an unwelcome result of a dearth of silverware that Vic Groves doesn't adorn the exterior of The Emirates. Silverware normally cements player names firmly into the annals of 'Club Greats'. The '32 Greats’ that stand on the outside walls of our modern stadium don't have a rigid criteria, but if there were certain requirements - then Vic would meet them.

I confess to ignorance regarding the current hero of this piece. It wasn't until I read two books that I became aware of his exploits. I heartily recommend Geordie on the Wing by Dave Seager and Red Letter Days by Jon Spurling which expertly highlight the era in which Groves performed so admirably.

As a Gooner, I think it is important to learn as much of our vibrant and extensive history as I can. Not many clubs in our country can boast of such a gleaming back story so we shouldn't take it for granted. Just check out The Arsenal History website to get a taste of what our club has to offer. Such fascinating tales and gallant heroes. Vic Groves was one of them.

Vic sadly passed away in January. A gentleman and a brilliant servant to our club, he will be sadly missed by all who came into contact with him. This list will be rather long however, as he was always one of the first to help newcomers at Arsenal during his playing days on the pitch and whilst he worked in his car garage near Highbury - as was his way.

Vic started his career as a professional at Leyton Orient in 1954 and such was his prolific form at Brisbane Road, that the next season he was Highbury bound. He played as an 'inside-forward', which in today's parlance would be a 'No.10'. So his tactical knowledge would have been on point. This was obviously the case as Vic signed for us in the 1955/56 season. Injuries were to blight the first few seasons of Vic’s promising fledgling career though. A persistent knee injury followed by a niggling back complaint hampered his progress. It wasn't until 1958 that he finally started to string some appearances together and show the Gooner faithful why he was signed. In 1959, he changed his position to wing-half, which in my limited understanding I would describe as a wide-forward. Everything was set for Vic to establish himself and push on and he duly delivered. 1959 was also the year that Groves became Arsenal captain, a distinction he carried until 1962.

Vic left our club in the 1964/65 season, after nine years. No glittering accolades were lifted during his time, but plaudits and the glowing respect of his peers had been earned and stockpiled. Even during his injury-peppered seasons - he carried himself as he always did - like a true Arsenal player. The man oozed class and cared deeply for the club he played for. Perry Groves, his second cousin, carried on that tradition throughout his own playing career.

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  1. Tony Porter

    Feb 05, 2015, 19:03 #66323

    A great piece, Dan, but with respect Vic Groves came to us as a centre-forward - scored 8 goals in 13 games in his first season, a breath of fresh air, a new hero for a 14-year-old fan, and 4 in a cup run which almost never started - he got a last-minute equaliser for us at home to Bedford Town, no less. Some things never change. He was slowed down by injury but his football brain was a great help to us all the way along. What a great servant. May he rest in peace. He was one of the last signings made by Tom Whittaker (who died in office) and came along with Stan Charlton, a very useful right-back. As for the brilliant Eastham and Baker, they so badly needed a decent defence; if we'd had that we would have won trophies all right.

  2. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 05, 2015, 17:36 #66320

    Badarse, yes that time is coming again, still a bit early yet though but it hasn't stopped the wife going on about the garden for a while now.

  3. jjetplane

    Feb 05, 2015, 13:21 #66302

    Super stuff BUGGLES made my schoolboys debut in mid 60s. Would get in there when there was a dozen people in the ground. Now that was a build up to 3 0'clock.

  4. Badarse

    Feb 05, 2015, 12:53 #66298

    Pansies? Pansies? Oh, it's OK, it's just maguiresbridge. He must be preparing his garden for the Online Gooner, Virtual 'Spring Garden Party'.

  5. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 05, 2015, 12:43 #66297

    buggleskelly, a couple of great posts/stories, we have pansies today.

  6. Badarse

    Feb 05, 2015, 11:11 #66285

    buggleskelly, that was a delightful story of Joe. As a long time admirer it hit the spot, which was generally the back of the net for him. He was so inspirational, as a youngster when chatting up a girl I told her my name was Joe Baker. My current boyfriend thinks my name is Ron Jay Jay Westlower. Why did my middle name get repeated, you may ask? It was just that the vicar stuttered when christening me.

  7. buggleskelly

    Feb 05, 2015, 10:08 #66282

    Yep - I certainly remember the "Daisy" Skirton penalty. It was against Leeds, and the whole of the North Bank were screaming for Eastham to take the spot-kick. Unfortunately, poor George could barely put one foot in front of the other at the time, having been kicked up in the air all over Highbury, mostly by Bobby Collins. We eventually lost 2-1. Ron - Of course I agree with every word you said about Joe and George. I worshipped them both and cried like a baby when Billy Wright sold Joe to Nottingham Forest. I remember going to WHL to watch him inspire Forest to a 3-2 victory. Although he didn't score that day, I vividly recall the mass of Gooners at the Park Lane End, who were only there like me, to see Joe, serenading him to the tune of "My Bonnie" - "Bring back, bring back, oh bring back Joe Baker to us, to us!" He gave us all a wave!

  8. Seven Kings Gooner

    Feb 05, 2015, 9:00 #66277

    Buggleskelly: You will get no argument from me about "Sir Alan" Remember when he picked the ball up to take a penalty for us - the whole North Bank said as one "oh no" he of course missed and hit the post. Funny though, on his day "Daisy" could be a handful, remember him getting a hat trick at Sheffield Wednesday in a 4 - 0 win. The thing with Groves was he came into that team (63 - 64) when we were getting hammered on a weekly basis and he just calmly passed and moved the ball around and steadied the ship. I felt it was his experience that settled the team down - I think this was about the time when poor Ian Ure was having a meltdown!

  9. Ron

    Feb 04, 2015, 20:35 #66256

    Mow youre talking Buggles. Joe Baker and Georgie E. Imagine Joey in modern conditions and with modern training to enjoy? He was the man that made me a Gunners fan instead of an Orient fan!! Wd have been a world beater. They can keep Terry Henry for me. Joey will always be my number 1 striker. He had guts that Henry cdt even dream of having plus a formidable strike rate and playing in front of a sieve for a defence. As for GE, ive heard people suggest Ozil gets close. Over my dead body he does and never will. We had some gems in the mid 60s and its a decade of players that hardly ever gets mentioned in the books and vids cos we won.People are so easily persuaded of what makes a good player these days.

  10. buggleskelly

    Feb 04, 2015, 19:50 #66253

    Seven Kings Gooner: I was merely recounting my memories of more than 50 years ago. "Granny" Groves was not the only player to suffer the waves of hate emanating from the North Bank at that time. Alan "Daisy" Skirton was also subjected to similar treatment from all around Highbury. Bertie Mee's first act as manager in 1966 was to sell Daisy off to Blackpool, to spare him further abuse. Although at that time Arsenal were rarely in the hunt for trophies, we fans were blessed with witnessing two of the most wonderful players ever to wear the shirt - the brilliant Joe Baker, and the even more brilliant George Eastham. Why no statue to them outside the E******s?

  11. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 04, 2015, 13:26 #66220

    SKG, just like some of the players have taken upon themselves to do now.

  12. JER

    Feb 04, 2015, 12:29 #66216

    Yes I remember Vic from my first days of going to Highbury in 1960. I hope he will be remembered as a great servant to the club and not as Perry Groves uncle. RIP.

  13. Seven Kings Gooner

    Feb 04, 2015, 9:08 #66197

    Buggleskelly : Vic was not useless he had many injury problems, I remember him coming into the side in 63 - 64 when we had a terrible start to the season. He settled the team down played safety first football and we eventually put together a run together that got us out of the bottom 6 in the table, he played 15 times that season and certainly did not look useless to me. Remi Garde reminded me of the way Vic played, steady "tickover" football.

  14. jjetplane

    Feb 04, 2015, 1:08 #66193

    You certainly have.

  15. Badarse

    Feb 03, 2015, 19:56 #66181

    Watched Vic play a few times, and was there that fateful day in February 1958. With him dies a little of my personal Arsenal history. A good servant of Arsenal Football Club. What a quaint term now, if only some fans had that quality and commitment. Thanks Vic, from that little boy who rested his chin on the fence pitch side. You looked great in that red and white shirt, farewell.

  16. Westlower

    Feb 03, 2015, 18:20 #66175

    Vic formed a good strike partnership with David Herd in 57/58 & 58/59 scoring 10 goals in each season. Vic scored 31 goals all of which came in his first 4 seasons. In 59/60 he dropped back into midfield from where he captained the team. It wasn't the most productive period in Arsenal's history with a highest league place of 3rd in 58/59. Vic impressed enough to be picked to play for a London XI against Barcelona in the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup Final, the fore-runner of the European Fairs Cup in 1958.

  17. buggleskelly

    Feb 03, 2015, 17:18 #66165

    When I made my debut in the Schoolboys Enclosure in the early 1960's, Vic "Granny" Groves had already lost his regular place in the team, and, whenever he appeared, was subject to the most fearful abuse from the North Bank due to his uselessness. Billy Wright eventually sold him, and bought Frank McLintock as a replacement. Thank God.

  18. HowardL

    Feb 03, 2015, 16:33 #66160

    I can recall watching Vic Groves. A solid, dependable player; but whilst the teams he captained had other good players overall there were too few of them. RIP Vic. It never occurred to me that Perry might be related.

  19. Ron

    Feb 03, 2015, 16:32 #66159

    Hi Robert - my Dad was at that game and would often mention it as a kid. Reckoned it was the best Utd side there was. Rated Edwards as a potential world beater he did.

  20. Robert Muggeridge

    Feb 03, 2015, 16:12 #66156

    I remember Vic Groves very well . He came from Leyton Orient and could play wing half or inside forward good old fashioned positions ! Some of the others around at the time included Len Wills, Billy McCullough, Bill Dodgin, Johnny Petts, Danny Clapton, Jimmy Bloomfield David Herd to mention a few. He played in the game against Man U on 1st February 1958 just before the Munich air crash and I saw the game at Highbury as a young 13 year old supporter and he had the unenviable task of keeping tabs on Tommy Taylor and Duncan Edwards in a 5-4 defeat. Great memories of a very underrated player.

  21. c hudson

    Feb 03, 2015, 14:41 #66144

    Pub was crown and horse hoe near the river in Enfield town

  22. Peter Wain

    Feb 03, 2015, 14:11 #66136

    The pub was called the Coach and Horses

  23. Goonerak

    Feb 03, 2015, 13:58 #66133

    @Dave, do you know what the pub was?

  24. dave

    Feb 03, 2015, 13:22 #66127

    remember he had a pub in enfield.I watched him play when i was a boy ,he was highly reverwd at highbury by the fans.