Project youth wins the day

Online Ed: Pocchetino’s young side take the North London Derby spoils



Project youth wins the day

Good start, but it was not to be


The gameplan was much the same as that which triumphed at Manchester City. For David Silva, read Christian Erikssen and for Sergio Aguerro, read Harry Kane. The difference was that, in their own half, when Arsenal needed to play their way out, the passing yesterday went awry. Danny Welbeck and Mesut Ozil started as the wide attacking players, the only change from the City match. Welbeck performed with similar verve to Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain in that game. Mesut Ozil had a couple of delightful touches, and the goal, but aside from that, was the weak link in the plan, rarely available as an outlet for the ball in the way that Alexis Sanchez was. Hindsight tells us that, perhaps, Tomas Rosicky might have been a better starter for this particular fixture.

Still, it was through Ozil’s brilliant volleyed finish that Arsenal established a lead and then seemed to weather the storm created by their own lack of ability to hang onto the ball. However, the cost of this was that their counter attacks were few. Aside from a couple of good chances in close succession in the second half at 1-1, courtesy of Welbeck and Koscielny, the truth is that Hugo Lloris’ goal was rarely threatened.

It is possible to pick faults with the Arsenal defence for both Spurs’ goals, but the reality is they were both excellent finishes and well crafted opportunities. The visitors deserve some credit for largely restricting Tottenham’s attempts to long range attempts for much of the game. However, closer in, Harry Kane proved lethal. The first goal, from a corner, was a well worked set piece, which Ospina did well to parry. Kane wasn’t tracked at the back post, a consequence of zonal marking and he only had to beat Coquelin on the line to score. As for the second goal, maybe Kane could have been jostled more to put him off his header, or indeed the cross closed down by somebody, but the striker worked the space wonderfully well. The player may not have looked all that last season, but there is no doubt now that Spurs have got themselves a forward. All the money paid for Adebayor and Soldado and a kid from the ranks comes through to be the main man. Ironic that he was at Arsenal’s academy for a year under Liam Brady’s watch but that he was released. I know why having first hand experience - as a parent - of the set up there. Technique is everything. Flicks and tricks. “Skills’” as the coaches shout out to the kids. Players are retained for their abilities to do wondrous things with a football, which may be why so few actually ever go on to serve the club in the Premier League. Kane is no Lionel Messi, but his game suits English football to the ground.

One salient point about the defeat was that Spurs’ team was packed with players of fairly limited experience, in comparison to Arsenal. The Gunners had two relative novices (in terms of appearances) – Bellerin and Coquelin. Spurs had far more players with little to no experience of these derby matches. Project youth won the day, but the developer of players was in the home dugout. Of course, the problem with youth is inconsistency, and this is an Achilles’ heel of Spurs generally. Arsenal fall a point behind their neighbours in their quest for a top four spot, but it is a bit early for panic stations. The ten point gap of two seasons ago was far worse and Wenger’s team overcame it.

However, the glorious run of results since New Years’ Day has been punctured and there are valid questions as to why Arsenal’s passing went completely to pot for much of this match. Cazorla, imperious against City, was anything but at the Lane. Coquelin did a decent enough job, but could not stem the Spurs flow on his own and was rarely guilty of giving the ball away as much as his colleagues. Ramsey was also guilty on this front along with the defenders. Maximising possession is not critical, but making the most of the possession you have is. Arsenal did this at the Etihad. At the Lane, they made Ryan Mason look like Yaya Toure.

Tottenham seemed hungrier, invigorated by the home support. Pressure eventually told and they deserved the three points. Arsenal offered hope for the majority of the game thanks to the scoresheet, but not a great deal more. Ospina was tested far more in goal than previously and I thought did well. I couldn’t fault him for either of the goals.

A lot of the Spurs play concentrated on Arsenal’s right hand flank. I am less certain this was because of Bellerin being identified as a weak link, but more because Erikssen plays there, Danny Rose will overlap and Kane moved out there at times to get involved. It was where they felt strongest, and in spite of the best efforts of Welbeck and Ramsey to help out numerically, Arsenal never really got to grips with this part of Pocchetino’s gameplan. At least it didn’t expose Ozil defensively.

It was a bad day at the office for Arsenal. They should not sacrifice the idea of playing initially not to lose a game rather than go gung-ho from the off to win it. It’s a good habit, and occasionally, it won’t work. The problem yesterday was that they could not cope with the intensity of Spurs’ hunger. As the Gunners seemed to want it more at Manchester City, so the boot was on the other foot yesterday. They established a lead, but needed to give themselves breathing space with a second. Would they have got it with Alexis on the pitch? Given the make up of the Spurs’ side, they shouldn’t have needed him. On paper, they should perhaps have bossed this game, but too many players underperformed in the heat of the derby. Giving the ball away cheaply in their own half is a long standing trait and it needs to be sorted out if Wenger is ever to mount another title challenge. And sometimes, there is nothing wrong with Row Z or even just starting a greyhound like Walcott and using him as an outlet.

Spurs take four points from this season’s clashes with Arsenal, with the latter only claiming one. Let’s hope that doesn’t make the difference come the final reckoning in May.

The winners of our competition to win copies of the recently released novel ‘I am Sam’ by James Durose-Rayner, in which the lead character gets obsessed by a documentary he is making about former Arsenal star Jon Sammels, correctly answered that Jon made his full Arsenal debut in the 1962-63 season. They are Johanne Edgington and Dave Potter and when they provide us with postal addresses, we will get the publisher to post them their copies.

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“We’re three students at University of Sunderland, studying Broadcast Media Production and we’re in our final year. As part of our final year we have to make a dissertation project and we’ve decided to make a radio documentary series on football fans, specifically Premier League fans. We’re looking for stories where it involves the fan rather than the club, for example, you skipped your sister’s wedding to watch your team play instead and the story of how you managed it and pulled it off, or got caught! If you could help us find fans willing to speak to us, we’d greatly appreciate it by asking through your website, social media or in your fanzine. If you’ve any questions about what we’re doing or want to send people our way, you can contact us via the following:
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Regards, Life of a Football Fan Team (Conor, Jack & Sean)”

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  1. DJ

    Feb 10, 2015, 15:10 #66637

    HowardL: No probs mate, I wasn’t disagreeing with you merely bemoaning the fact that the club we both support seems to have stagnated and have little ambition. The most disappointing thing is that the majority of supporters seem to have been brainwashed into thinking fourth place is all that matters. I would have thought the joyous scenes that followed our FA Cup victory was proof enough what winning trophies means to the fans. Imagine the aftermath if we actually won the Champions League………………one can but dream.

  2. HowardL

    Feb 10, 2015, 14:23 #66633

    @DJ - I agree with you, but without the money we could fall back so far that it could become much harder to get back - eg Liverpool, Spuds etc

  3. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 10, 2015, 13:50 #66630

    Fozzy, joining late, not as late as some.

  4. Tony Evans

    Feb 10, 2015, 12:39 #66621

    Hi Ron - Spurs are just a decent side with a striker on fire at the moment, no more than that; but the derby match still emphasised what AT was saying didn't it. When did Arsenal last go toe to toe away from home to even a decent side on form and get a result - good question mate as I can't remember for the life of me. The top four borefest is well under way now, which leaves me cold too. Where's the excitement in qualifying for the CL, when we know we are miles away from being good enough to win it. I wish it was different but that's the harsh truth of the matter.

  5. Ron

    Feb 10, 2015, 11:30 #66617

    Hi Tony - spurs aren't a top side. Theyre giving it a good go for their Coach though. Credit due. Yr comments are all bang on mate. A top opponent has to have a bad day at the office for Arsenal to beat them, home or away. I cant recall the last time we won such a match where the opponent was firing on all cylinders? Can you hazard a guess? Theyre lucky that the policy of 'beat the dross'scrapes them the holy grail every Season, though if the Saints keep it up, it mightn't be enough this time? Cant say that i care either way to be honest, that's where Wenger has brought me too. Westie was on here yesterday saying how vital that nauseous top 4 quest is due to how much cash the Club will make this time. Fooking hell, is that what the real fans who still go really think now? So glad i dropped out of it mate.Read about the TV tendering and the money going into it last night. Leaves me cold mate.

  6. Fozzy

    Feb 10, 2015, 10:48 #66615

    Apologies for being late to the party but I have only just recovered from the result and the performance. I have been in deep depression for the past three days. What an utter shambles of a display. Kev, your report was very mild. I was expecting to read something more extreme. After the previous two games I have made comments in these pages guarding against having Marty Feldman and Walnutt in the same team. The match was only going to go one way when Weng could have subbed Marty (but didn't) and then brought on Walnutt in the 78th minute. Neither of them have shown anything like the commitment required for this sort of game. Has the penny finally dropped in time for tonight's game? I doubt it.

  7. Tony Evans

    Feb 10, 2015, 9:36 #66612

    I've lifted this observation straight from the Arsenal Truth website because I firmly believe this to be the case. For Arsenal to win away against a top side Wenger needs 3 things to happen: 1) He accidently (due to injuries etc.) picks a team that somehow formulates itself to function as a unit on the day. 2) Self motivated players have to keep their concentration for 90 minutes. 3) The opposition has to have key players missing or perform way below their best. If anyone of these is not in place Arsenal can't win; if all three not in place we get hammered. This really struck a cord with me and I think the City and Spuds games serve as a perfect example (if you accept Spurs as a top side that is). It may be simplistic but I think we all know that there is a large slice of truth in it.

  8. WALLIEson

    Feb 10, 2015, 9:25 #66609

    This is tru. I used to go to Chelsea in the shed with my crew and we used to beat everone up even tho there were only 4 of us. They used to run away when they saw us cos we are hard and theyre not. Other times we used to go to milwal when arsenal were away up north and we used to call them women and say whers your bra and stuff. One time when milwal were playing west ham we went there and beat them all up cos they are pansees. And that realy hapenned.

  9. Big Mal

    Feb 09, 2015, 22:55 #66604

    Jamerson is certainly very entertaining. 'I used to go in the shelf every year in the 80's and never had any problems,there used to be thousands of us and never felt intimidated'. So Jamerson, who I'm certain has never been to WHL in his life of probably a football match for that matter, just to get this clear - in the 80s you went on the Shelf and there were thousands of Arsenal fans. If you are going to lie why not say 'there were always a few' Arsenal fans on the Shelf. Anyway, there weren't ever and if there were they certainly weren't wearing their colours of cheering for Arsenal. What a plank.

  10. Rocky RIP

    Feb 09, 2015, 20:25 #66595

    @ HowardL - very true. The treatment of away fans at the Middlesex cesspit is revolting and cowardly. It isn't just us, there are countless anecdotes (A Leeds fan in a wheelchair got punched, presumably for having the temerity to wear a scarf.) We get the VIP treatment though. It's vile, but just serves as a reminder as to why I love Arsenal and despise that lot. People visit our stadiums (Highbury and Emirates) and feel impressed. Plenty say it's their favourite away ground. Highbury oozed charm and class. Scarfers, the elderly, women and children who have zero interest in fighting don't get bullied. Go to WHL as an away fan and it's a hairy experience simply because they have cowardly bullies hanging around knowing the numbers are on their side. They then claim to have an 'uber firm'. And they know they can get away with it because inexplicably the police let them. The tales of this vile behaviour are endless. These people seem to want to pick on the very people who don't want to fight, but you can guarantee aren't the ones brave enough to take on our lot that do. (Not that I'm condoning that either, but my point is if people want a fight, find like-minded opposing fans not those of us who clearly have negligible interest.)

  11. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 09, 2015, 17:14 #66580

    Tony Evans, like his followers he just still doesn't get it.

  12. Barnsbury

    Feb 09, 2015, 16:47 #66576

    Gaz- Don't think people are referring specifically to S***e Hart Lane, rather that there were a lot of grounds that felt intimidating in the 80s. When hooliganism was at it's organised height Tottenham were second rate, which is probably why they've been trying to claw back ground ever since everyone else gave up doing it week in week out at the start of the 90s. It's easy playing the bully when no-one else can be bothered to fight any more. Remember those mid/late 80s games over there though mate, 10,000 Arsenal in the Park Lane and strolling down the High Road there and back. Happy days!

  13. Gaz

    Feb 09, 2015, 15:45 #66572

    I keep hearing that going to WHL lately is a throwback to the bad old days of the 80's. Thing is I was down there all the time in the 80's and I never remember it being as bad as it now is. Even sat in upper tier of the shelf on one occasion and never felt in any kind of trouble even when we scored (it was that league game in 87 when TA6 scored in a 2-1 win!). Mind you there were hundreds of other Gooners in there for protection!!! No, I reckon from what I've now seen (on video) and heard its far far worse nowadays...

  14. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 09, 2015, 14:32 #66564

    DJ, you took the words out of my mouth with your post,70058 and a good one after it also, yes you can just imagine the cheering, and celebrating there'll be among the wengerites, when we finish in front of the spuds again TOF will be lauded as a genius and they'll be bowing to him and worshiping him like never before. The players will be out on the pitch whooping, cheering, high fiving and bouncing as if they'd won something, OGL will be out there smiling like a Cheshire cat waving and taking the applause from his followers as if he'd actually achieved something when all we've done is finish above our neighbours, if that's all we've got to look forward to, and the highlight of they're season, and the height of their and the clubs ambition truly Sad.

  15. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 09, 2015, 13:53 #66561

    Dartford Gooner, that's part of the problem mate we don't have any players who can get stuck in, too many light weight fairies more interested in keeping their hair in place that their opponent (see accompanying photo) and their skin moisturised, if we had more who were (not only now but over the last nine years) maybe we wouldn't have been walked over as much and be such pushovers and been on the end of so many beatings and humiliations. We have one or two who try now and again jumping in here and there only to injury themselves with their little lightweight frame and end up out for weeks. Any way heaven forbid we had a player/players who can look after himself and others and give as good as he gets and let an opponent know he's not going to take any crap the purists and the wenger luvvies just wouldn't have it they'd rather have nice tippy tappy going nowhere football with lightweight fairies dancing round opponents only to get knocked off the ball and then complain when they do.

  16. jjetplane

    Feb 09, 2015, 13:38 #66559

    Sanchez back for tomorrow's exhibition game. Looking forward to Giroud getting back to his best again And little Santi bossing the midfield and erm that's about it ... yeah ....

  17. John F

    Feb 09, 2015, 12:59 #66557

    Jack L you are right the intimidation is just ignored.It seems to be the last bastion of the eighties culture there.It is why I still haven't grown out of my dislike for them.Perhaps you should send your post to the police and the spuds. it is simply unacceptable but allowed to go on.

  18. jeff wright

    Feb 09, 2015, 12:54 #66555

    So we are now down to worrying about G/D for 4th place ! My what lofty aspirations you have.You couldn't make it up. After Saturday's humbling our little men should be embarrassed to do goal celebs against the bottom of the league side. Wenger needs to watch out though for their manager he looks even more flaky and aggressive than himself.

  19. Tony Evans

    Feb 09, 2015, 12:27 #66553

    Wenger says he can't understand how Kane had a free header in the box. Could zonal marking have anything to do with it? Just a stab in the dark, mind, as I haven't worked even half a day in football.

  20. jeff wright

    Feb 09, 2015, 11:48 #66551

    The predictable 4th place trophy race is again well under way (yawn)with the AKB's gearing up for another Wenger victory to celebrate in May .Then there is the Emirates Cup and preseason warm up games to get excited about before the usual head to head with a fellow Ropey Cup outfit to see who plays with the big boys in the Champions League . The problem with your hypothesis regarding the go for goals approach against the park the bus ploy Westie is that neither works overall and we need to find a balance between defending and attack . Wenger puts all of his eggs in one basket regarding the sort of players that he cobbles together to try and play his beloved tika-taka or rather his version of it . He doesn't have the the type of players to go head to head with the physical sides in the Prem and the team is not good enough to beat the top sides in Europe. That's why we always end up going out in the KO rounds .Comparisons with this current side and the 2004 one show how far we have fallen from their lofty heights. The 2004 team scored 73 goals and conceded 26 winning 90 points and of course the Prem title. This current lot have scored 45 goals but have already with 24 games played conceded 27 goals. They will not get anywhere near 90 points either and despite the loony claims of Ramsey and Ozil no title either . So no comparison at all really between Ramsey ,Wally and Ozil with Henry,Vieira and Pires. In reality ,despite the millions spent last summer, this current team is doing worse than last season's one! And they, despite the rather fortuitous FAC win , were no world beaters. Last season 24 played : 51 points . This season 24 played 42 points. We clearly need a new younger more dynamic manager to shake things up but while the cash keeps rolling in and the theatre crowd at the Emirates are happy to get their rocks off watching rubbish Prem sides get made mugs of ( ole!)nothing under Kroenke will change.

  21. DJ

    Feb 09, 2015, 11:38 #66550

    HowardL: That is my point Arsenal has become a team for accountants and shareholders, fourth place is now seen just as important as first place. It doesn’t matter to the board and it seems Arsene what position in the top four we finish as long as we finish in the top four. I get the arguement that we needed the cash to pay for the staduim and to keep progressing but I would argue that we now treading water and all ambition has gone?

  22. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 09, 2015, 10:49 #66548

    So plan B - put in place because plan A wasn't working well enough - is itself now not working, so we should go back to plan A? Maybe it's something else. Maybe attitude has something to do with it? Maybe we shouldn't have comments about the attack being better than the Invincibles and 'hunting down' Chelsea for the title off the back of one great result?

  23. Westlower

    Feb 09, 2015, 10:46 #66547

    @HowardL, Spot on regarding the implications of 4th place as it's worth far more money this year than ever before. @Ron, When did Aunty have her sex change?

  24. HowardL

    Feb 09, 2015, 10:36 #66546

    The Financial implications of 4th place are important to the team's future - as well as the pockets of the Board.

  25. DJ

    Feb 09, 2015, 10:31 #66544

    Talking of ‘we won’t get fooled again’ I see we are now in a serious dogfight for fourth place AGAIN! When we succeed in achieving this goal, which I have little doubt we will, the season will be seen as a triumph and our manager lauded as a genius. The real genius is how the club has now got the majority of our supporters believing fourth place is the holy grail and is the only thing that matters!

  26. Ron

    Feb 09, 2015, 10:19 #66542

    Westie - limp wristed that is mate. Arsenal midfield was nearly non existent. Its a midfield job to stem the tide of the opponent and get enough ball so to allow yr own forwards to get on the ball. Its been the trouble at Arsenal for 7 years. The marking in dfence was dire yes, but any defence wilts with nothing in front of it. Cocqelin tried to arrest things but a bit part reserve like him was never going to change much. Wherever you look in that team its imbalanced and unable to play on the front foot without conceding silly goals and cant play on the back foot to contain either. In the middle, there's very little and its from there that most of the problems originate. Quite why you keep excusing what's so patently obvious to see is a mystery. Sanchez is as much our Toure as my aunt is my uncle. Theres no parallel at all.

  27. WHL87

    Feb 09, 2015, 10:18 #66541

    Tottenham were good for the win - they stuck 5 past Chelsea who will walk this league. 2nd, 3rd & 4th places are up for grabs. We will be back above Spurs after tomorrow night's game.

  28. Barnaby

    Feb 09, 2015, 10:13 #66540

    Au revoir wengers comment about what Wenger should do during the match is hilarious, he could also do a crossword or have a go at a Sudoku puzzle lollol

  29. jeff wright

    Feb 09, 2015, 9:49 #66537

    Tbh Ron, I can see things getting messy when Wenger does leave the building regarding who takes over the reigns from him. This Kroenke regime obviously know very little about football the inane statements from Stan's son young Josh and the snake oil salesman slippery Ivan reveal this.They may well try to keep things going as they are with them being as happy as Larry with 4th place and the big bucks from it everyseason and Stan gets his own whack out it all now without anyone protesting about this . The only way I can see anything changing is if Wenger fails to get 4th spot then I reckon he will finally wish us au revoir or even auf wiedersehen ,depending on what hat he is wearing. I think you are right about the reasons why glum looking Steve stays there is obviously little or no empathy between him and aloof head up his own arse Wenger. As I said before there is no way that an ex top defender like Bould could possible want to stick with the shambolic Wenger zonal marking on corners .Anyway we already know what Steve's ex-partner TA thinks of Wenger's defensive tactics compared to GG's ones .Merson though best up summed Wenger's defensive nous after the 3-0 lead at home was lost to lowly Anderlecht, clueless. You couldn't make it up.

  30. HowardL

    Feb 09, 2015, 8:51 #66536

    I think we need to just accept that the better team one. A wake-up call after the wins against an off-colour Man City and a Championship-bound Villa. The team needs to put it behind them and bounce back.

  31. Westlower

    Feb 09, 2015, 8:40 #66535

    Were we all fooled by the result at Man City? The majority view was that the 'new' pragmatic approach was the way forward. Concede possession to the opposition, park the bus & hang on. The reality is that if the home side go behind 0-1 they have to try and score, so they spend longer attacking & therefore have more possession. Arsenal did not win because they had little possession. They had little possession because they won. Would the outcome had been different if Yaya Toure was available and driving his team on & Aguero had rediscovered his shooting boots? Playing on the counter attack does not suit Arsenal. Playing without the ball does not suit our midfield players, who are creative rather than destructive, with the exception of Coquelin & Flamini. The team should resort to playing to it's strengths & continue to try & score the second goal after taking the lead. Yes, we are vulnerable to a hiding when chasing the game when going behind to the top teams but it's a risk the circumstance of the game forces you to take. Defending a two goal lead, rather than a one goal lead makes more sense, especially away from home. Alexis Sanchez was our missing Yaya Toure & the outcome may well have been different if he played on Saturday. I don't believe our neighbours should read too much into the result, as we've only won at the Lane once on our last 7 visits, so it's a par for the course result, nothing more, nothing less. Now we have to get around the parked Leicester bus but beware the counter attack! As Roger Daltrey once said "we wont get fooled again."

  32. Tony Evans

    Feb 09, 2015, 8:39 #66534

    Very disappointing to say the least and looks like we are back to square one. They just didn't look 'up for it' and as for Ozil! I would say perspective is required, as it is only one match and we will more than likely be above the Spuds after tomorrow's matches, but this type of performance happens far too often for that to wash. Losing a derby match away 2-1 is no disaster but it was the manner of the defeat again that hurt, and under Wenger I can't see where anything is going to change in that respect.

  33. Peter Wain

    Feb 09, 2015, 8:25 #66533

    a poor performance generally . Cazorla Ramsey and Ozil well off the pace and we offered little in attack. Our goal was the only decent move we had and the Giroud shot going so far waide it was a good pass. As for the referee he was weak and pathetic. Why Rose lasted the game I do not know Mason spent the first half dishing out fouls with no yellow card and why we were not given a penalty for Chadili's holding of Mertersacker I do not know. Still the over all performance was so poor that appoint was the most we deserved if that.

  34. Bard

    Feb 09, 2015, 8:22 #66532

    DW, youre right there is no accountability. Reading some of the posts on here you would think we are Derby County. Quite a decent side, might shock one or two but not much expected. This club had a net spend of 70m this summer, charge the highest ticket prices in Europe and are the 6th richest club on the world. Top 4 is minimum expectation. Wenger has had years to get it right but right now we have a decent squad that should be doing a lot better. If he cant sort it out he needs to resign. Its like being satisfied that Usain Bolt wins inter counties 100m. The lack of ambition and expectation is shocking.

  35. Ron

    Feb 09, 2015, 8:16 #66531

    Fair comment regarding Bould Jeff but if the rumours are true and there have been reports of friction before now, why does he stay? OK, its maybe a good salary and hes got no profile in the game for seeking other good coaching jobs, but the worry is that he wont rock boats as he wants to be in the frame to be Wengers successor? The Board there are tight enough to think hes convenient and would be a nice cheap option. Perish the thought of him ever talking the top job. Its as bad a prospect as Mr Henry being shoehorned in.

  36. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 09, 2015, 0:28 #66530

    jw, and if any of the posts above are any thing to go by bouldys getting pissed off with being instructed to set up the seven Dwarfs in the same way every game, he'd certainly be doing us all a favour if he told Snow white hi ho hi ho it's of to work I go with a proper manager who's ego isn't to big to utilise my expertise and let me earn my dough.

  37. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 08, 2015, 23:09 #66529

    Hack, mouldy? pure penicillin mate.

  38. Peter

    Feb 08, 2015, 23:08 #66528

    Wenger always suffers away from home against notorious long ball merchants like Stoke/Man Utd/West Ham and Spurts.

  39. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 08, 2015, 22:57 #66527

    KC, reading some of your replies/posts after mine i'm sure we do.

  40. jeff wright

    Feb 08, 2015, 22:46 #66526

    GR, He had to let the players do it at City and probably at spuds because he was scared of losing and fear is not something that Arseen handles well.He himself said it was player power ,but that was just him trying to pretend that he is open to advice! MG, it must be frustrating for a top class ex-defender like Bould to have to put up with having a third rate won nothing ex-player like Wenger telling him what to do regarding defending on corners . No way can I see Bould aallowing this Wenger so-called zonal marking marlarkey to carry on being exploited season after weary season. The way that Kane crept in behind our so called defence for his first goal was what you expect from amatuer sides and not the mighty Arsenal once reknowned for our defending . Ospina's flapping at the cross and palming it out toward the unmarked Harry was just what the two Pole's do ,same with the shot stopping ,this change of GK's is just another Wenger attempt to try and show he's the boss in reality nothing has improved in our GK situation being worse than that of our rivals,all of 'em! Poor old Merse he couldnt tip a bucket of ****e ! Other than the bull variety. Deja vu Arsene as well so much for his September tip that Chelsea would collapse and we would close the gap on them. colesybollox and leeKFC believed him of course.... those pair believe anything Wenger says must be true ... You couldn't make it up.

  41. JackL

    Feb 08, 2015, 22:40 #66525

    Everything that I felt like saying about yesterday has already been said above and it's not worth repeating except to say the pattern has repeated itself for years-lose to anyone decent due to AW's lack of tactical nous, then win 2 or 3 on the trot and people then start bigging up the manager, then lose again to a decent team and repeat. What concerns me more, and it's the same every year, is the annual gross intimidation at WHL at the end of the game. There about half a dozen police in a line as we exit and provocation is extreme. 100 yards down the line the police disappear and we are left to the mercy of the taunting and intimidating Spurs mob-my family (5 of us) are always so fearful! As we exited yesterday one AFC couldn't hack it any longer and jumped a Spurs taunter and it all kicked off with the police jumping in from all angles. AFC have to address this issue-someone will get killed soon. The best part of the day was later in the evening when we headed home to Yorkshire (by the way I've hardly missed a match for 50 years but work took me to Yorkshire) and at Peterborough services we saw the Charlton team on their way back from Middlesborough, and had a chat with them in Costa-a few of them are AFC supporters and we had a good chat about the game. Sorry about rambling on but after 50 years I thought I would put a different slant on it. Roll on Tuesday.

  42. GoonerRon

    Feb 08, 2015, 22:38 #66524

    @ Jeff - hardly surprising that Wenger is back to being a megalomaniac after a defeat, barely weeks after letting the players do the tactics during our victories.

  43. Guy in Jersey

    Feb 08, 2015, 22:33 #66523

    Is Arsene Wenger the most useless manager in the Premier League at influencing/affecting the course of a game through a change of tactics or informed substitutions? Discuss.

  44. jeff wright

    Feb 08, 2015, 22:25 #66522

    Well spotted colesy it of course should be NO Back to back AWAY wins ,it's amazing how when you pick up on my little errors that they always back fire on you .I have told you before to give this a swerve but AS THEY SAY FOOLS RUSH IN... you are obviously also a glutton for punishment ,and most likely will be with your pal KFC first through the door at the local cinema to watch Fifty Shades Of Grey both of you sitting at the back in your old raincoats... We obviously have , as you well know of course, have had back to back home wins . It's not rocker science to work out that I made a mistake in my typing .These stats again though show that Arsene these days is very much an homo regarding results , with his magic hat long ago having been replaced with a dunces one with le cretin on it. Hey colesy I thought that my little dig about you would have you re-emerging spluttering in rage and self indignation . You are like Arsene >> oh so, predictable...........(yawn)

  45. DW Thomas

    Feb 08, 2015, 22:18 #66521

    Only a muppet would defend losing to Spurs when up a goal at half! OGL had no ideas again and the subs were again too late and accomplished nothing. Worse players were talking of the title which has been lost since the fall. No fan serious about wanting the club to go to the next level can want this manager to remain in charge. We stagnate and make excuses every loss. No accountability when money is the motivation. How on earth Kane scored both their goals is a perfect example of the lack of tactics and team prep. He should have been marked out of the game. Instead he was gifted two dream goals! Many of us used to get way more pissed off than we do now with a loss like this to the spuds. I guess now we know without a doubt these performances will continue unabated. Sanchez can only win us games when he plays. Without him there is no solid leader who hustles, organizes, and shows how winners play. As for a Spurs being the better team, no way. Yet, they did come from behind and are above us.

  46. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 08, 2015, 22:07 #66520

    jw, obviously TOF had/took total control again yesterday bouldy's clip board wasn't needed, OGL knew better and we all saw the outcome. Poor old Merse he still feels un loved and changes his mind more times now than he did when he used to go to the bar. Surely he still hasn't designs on coming back in some capacity, it would explain his sudden love for OGL again, although if you were talking to him tonight OGL would be an also ran, after all he was never very good at backing winners.

  47. goonercolesyboy

    Feb 08, 2015, 21:48 #66519

    jeff you really are a mug with your lack of knowledge again...you say that we have no back to back victories in the premiership !! And as always you type your drivel and make things up to suit your agenda, I wasn't jumping up and down about beating Villa, just a good win against a poor side. You need some serious help as your loneliness is obviously distorting your mind.

  48. DJ

    Feb 08, 2015, 21:36 #66518

    Jameson: Thanks for explaining that to the uneducated supporters such as myself. Arsene sacrificed the North London Derby because he had one eye on the Monaco game in three weeks time. Forward planning indeed!

  49. john f

    Feb 08, 2015, 21:19 #66517

    KC,some loyal supporters have simply been priced out.I would love to know the demographics of supporters that go to all the games.Not many postmen/bus drivers etc with families I bet.I know my son would love to be able to afford to go to more games .I am with you as regards not wanting Arsenal to lose ,I am still sulking about yesterday and believe me I am old enough to know better.

  50. DJ

    Feb 08, 2015, 21:18 #66516

    If the Bould rumours are true he should come out in public and quit. I'm sick of all the bloggers/pundits who once they get a whiff of appreciation fro the club go into their shell and refuse to demand better!

  51. Lee afc

    Feb 08, 2015, 21:18 #66515

    Here comes Jeff again. Wallowing in his anti AFC. According to you though Jeff. "we beat Tottenham" at home so they beat us away. Idiot, pure absolute idiot.

  52. Cornish Gooner

    Feb 08, 2015, 21:04 #66514

    Cut Le Professor some slack guys. I mean after all he is a man under pressure - there was the modelling contract in the Summer with those speedos plus the media work which left little time for player transfer business. And now there is the new career as an actor - catch his brilliant performance as Judge Roban in the Beeb's latest Saturday night French cop drama - "Spiral" in which he superbly plays a clapped out old legal guy, under pressure, suffering nosebleeds, falling out with all those around him, generally on the slide but saved from total humiliation by an old friend from way back when he was considered to be a bit of a legal hotshot. It is compelling TV and there is already talk of a further series. The trouble is that, despite his superb performances. the money isn't that great and Monsieur Wenger cannot survive without Le Football and the generous stipend he receives from his American patron. It's not looking good and the world might be deprived of a consummate actor. Could show biz's loss be football's gain?

  53. Hack

    Feb 08, 2015, 21:03 #66513

    Ron, couldn't agree with you more. Wenger went mouldy a long time ago!

  54. Hiccup

    Feb 08, 2015, 20:57 #66512

    It's all a bit one sided on here today. Has anyone got a Gary Lineker tweet that they can post for some AKB balance?

  55. jjetplane

    Feb 08, 2015, 20:53 #66511

    Prediction for summer is Stan gives The bloke inside a caterpillar enough pennies to secure Bale for a couple of seasons. He can link up with Ozil .... lol!

  56. Hiccup

    Feb 08, 2015, 20:46 #66510

    JJ, a draw against Leicester shouldn't be sniffed at. Let's not forget how the current AKB CEO jamie/Julie/Jessie talked up last septembers draw as a great result (voted as post of the year by subscribers). More of the same again please Mr wenger.

  57. Ron

    Feb 08, 2015, 20:45 #66509

    Im all for that tourny Bard. Im hoping they're wont be any admissions for pesky supporters though otherwise, though the rules are Arsenal friendly, we cant have crowds intimidating the poor mites surely? Ask Jamerson and the lad will explain. So hope they can use artificial pitches? whoopppeee if they can. None of those bad bounces that all opponents benefit from and never Arsenal. Another trophy as good as in the bag!

  58. john f

    Feb 08, 2015, 20:43 #66508

    Daily mail on arsenal newsnow are claiming that bouldie is getting frustrated in his coaching role as his advice on tactics are being ignored.Mind you this is the Daily mail I am still waiting for the thousands of Romanians who are coming to live in my garden.

  59. KC

    Feb 08, 2015, 20:40 #66507

    MBG everyone is entitled to an opinion but I'm pretty sure that fans that attend are seen by most as the real loyal ones im pretty sure that's a view held by most up and down the country. As for 40 years it all just sounds like Manc supporters living in the south that always used to go to OT when they were young. But it's all about opinions, I'm sure we probably see things very similar I just hate us losing any game especially as Wenger is here until at least his contract ends.

  60. jeff wright

    Feb 08, 2015, 20:36 #66506

    I can just picture colesybollox giving it large with the oles! As our garden gnomes carry out their passing moves that they have learnt from Arsene, by running around traffic cones on the training ground, against the Villas of the Prem on the perfect pitch at the Emirates in front of the gullible theatre crowd.It was no coincidence that colesy and his partner KFC ( note how that big mouth is absent AGAIN AFTER WE LOSE )when those pair of pussies appeared after the Villa romp full of it all . You really could not make it up. It is no coincidence either of course that our little technicians can't do these ole! performances in away games against opponents who are up for the fray and are prepared to put in tackles.Something that Wenger admitted after the humiliation at the hands of the one man spuds side with his we lacked technique excuse. That big girls blouse Oliver Giroud really gets on my wick with his whining and cry baby antics,for ****s sake grow some you cowardly oaf is my advice to him. I can't wait for the day when we have a manager and players that many of us can again feel empathy with. This is the real issue and not the bull about getting behind the team that idiots like colesy says we should do,when we know that what he really means is that we should all join him and to get behind Arsene ad nauseam.

  61. Hiccup

    Feb 08, 2015, 20:32 #66505

    Bard, although good in principle, the standard of refereeing and a Manc/chelsea biased FA wouldn't uphold the laws. The cards are stacked against arsenal, and always will be.

  62. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 08, 2015, 20:29 #66504

    jj, I doubt it, but you can be sure there'll be plenty after the game against the mighty Leicester.

  63. Bard

    Feb 08, 2015, 19:59 #66503

    Shipmates, I have news, important news. We are lobbying the FA for the creation of a new trophy called the 'don't interrupt our tight little passing patterns with tackling and suchlike'. It will be played over 14 legs and we want it played on Sundays, Tuesdays and Fridays. Anyone give us 'grief' will be suspended for a minimum of a year. Stan thinks its a winner and will use the proceeds to have a proper hair transplant. His wife is fed up pulling off his toupee when they get down and boogie. Its the Arsenal way.

  64. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 08, 2015, 19:53 #66502

    Rob, a plan? for the opposition? what's that? their non existent.

  65. Hiccup

    Feb 08, 2015, 19:49 #66501

    Ron, there's no shame getting beat in a lay down and surrender style. Our fans seem to prefer that, and the last thing they want to see is our players getting stuck in or playing with that in your face attitude. That's left to stoke and any other team that wants to try and beat us. Personally, I am all for scrapping competitive football, and just playing friendlies at a testimonial pace. We would do well at that. There would be no cheating, fouling, and I think we could even win at Stoke under these conditions. Just look at the performance in the Charity Shield game. Outstanding. It was amazing how some fans judged this kick about game as a measure of where arsenal were. Yet competitive defeats at Stoke and Spurs are omitted, because they wanted to beat us more than we wanted to beat them? You really couldn't make this **** up!

  66. backache

    Feb 08, 2015, 19:46 #66500

    Err Jamerson, if Stoke are so intimidating and formidable at home, how come Aston Villa, Leicester and Burnley have all won there in the PL this season?

  67. Older wiser slower manager

    Feb 08, 2015, 19:37 #66499

    i think in a white hot lane we weren't able to keep the ball at all well. broken down too easily, unable to adapt in a disjointed game. I think spurs were tactically spot on - you cant give Carzola space. still think the german experiment has been an expensive failure and in top hot matches Ozil is just not going to show up and you have no chance in these games when 1 man is not at the races

  68. jjetplane

    Feb 08, 2015, 19:29 #66498

    Well said BIG MAL and JAMErsON you must stop that bleating now or WESTIE will have nothing to talk about before the 'annihilation' of Leicester. The Foxes have Arsene FC have one thing in common. They are both managerless. Two all written all over it ....

  69. Ron

    Feb 08, 2015, 19:22 #66497

    Hiccup - do you mean entertain in a wouldnt have a niggly player sort of way or do you mean in a how Westie thinks football has to be a medium of pure 'entertainment' kind of way? - I can often imagine him going 'oooohh ahhhh, (gentle clap), oh gosh, did you see that' as he sips on his tonic water with an ice cream accompaniment!

  70. tpm

    Feb 08, 2015, 19:02 #66496

    why are spurs fans on an arsenal site? almost as bad as akbs...big mal, please go away. arsenal's demise is purely due to the manager (sure he built us up, but now hes doing the opposite), who has been senile and on a vanity project for 8 years, but still you haven't finished above us despite the last few arsenals sides being the worst since the md 90's, once he ****s off we should at least have a manager who employs tactics and changes things when they are clearly not working and you will be even further behind us. song is ****. all players look better when they are gone. song was a liability at arsenal.

  71. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 08, 2015, 18:50 #66495

    KC, so you have to go to, and attend games now before your classed as a genuine fan, and allowed to critise, has Ron's post 69949 really went in one ear and out the other so quick, where he said some of those critics haven't formed their views over night (but over years, yes years)and have been attending and supporting Arsenal for 40 years plus some even more when there were no smart phones and key boards to type into.

  72. Hiccup

    Feb 08, 2015, 18:25 #66494

    Just watched the United game. That Alex song is nothing but a cheat. Niggly fouls, breaking the game up all the way through it. Thank god wenger would never entertain a player like that at arsenal. It's all just so anti football.

  73. Ron

    Feb 08, 2015, 18:13 #66493

    EG - Do you mean kinda ducking out of the way metaphorically speaking or in the way that Mertersacker does when he thinks the ball's going to hit him?

  74. Huccup

    Feb 08, 2015, 17:46 #66492

    All these **** players like Crouch that scores every time he plays against arsenal. Even got an hatrick once. Still ****. No different to Kane. Just as ****. **** referees too. Take out the **** referees and these **** players wouldn't keep scoring for fun against arsenal. **** workrate by arsenal is acceptable though. Can't do owt about these teams trying to beat us. Everything's just ****. **** for brains too!

  75. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 08, 2015, 17:34 #66491

    So we're now hearing the other team being really up for it is very wrong and naughty of them. None of that at highly refined Arsene FC. Play if there's a fair wind, but if the other team show too much of that ugly 'desire', like Stoke or Spurs, then it's okay to just duck out of the way.

  76. Big Mal

    Feb 08, 2015, 17:32 #66490

    Jamerson's comment is interesting. If he believes this it really does show how poor Arsenal have become. In other words Arsenal are now losing to poor sides who up their game and a player who is no better than Crouch is terrorising their defence. I would be amazed if he does believe that, but if that is the problem then the decline is more terminal than I thought in my earlier post.

  77. Bard

    Feb 08, 2015, 17:29 #66489

    Ancelotti must be on his way to us after RM got thrashed by that financial powerhouse Atletico. You just can't compete with these juggernauts of the financial world. I am assured of that by the Boss himself. RM should realise this and accept that 4th place is a trophy. We could tell them a thing or two about it. I read rumours that Bouldy is pissed off how could he not be. Most of the fans are.

  78. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 08, 2015, 17:18 #66488

    Wilshire likes a fag, agree with you on Ospina parrying the ball into the wrong areas he done it more than once, like I said earlier he still has a lot to prove and learn, unfortunately he has a manager not capable of doing or helping him in that, and hasn't been for a long time, and a goalkeeping coach just as bad, and is only there because he's a yes man and follows orders, and the line of second third rate flops since Lehman bears testimony to that. Sadly for Ospina because of TOF and his excuse for a coach and the rest of his regime there's a very good chance ospina will go the same way.

  79. jjetplane

    Feb 08, 2015, 17:03 #66487

    Where has all the fun gone? Last week on here was electric with AKBs polishing up their sketches and the numbers running amok. JAMErsON thought there would a sketch every week or is that only when Arsene's opponents have an off day? AKBs are so like their leader. No stamina for it. One of them is even complaining that he might have to fly out to (a) Moravia every other Thursday. Mind you, we are talking about a proper supporter - not some poor ****er who just can't keep up financially with the new soft form intricacies. Now that Athletico Madrid mob refuse to go away ......

  80. tpm

    Feb 08, 2015, 16:51 #66486

    whoa whoa lets take a step back here shall we, spurs team better than ours? really. i know we aren't very good, and less than the sum of our parts and that's the managers fault solely and will not change till he goes, but lets just look at this game sensibly. our tactics handed it to them. sit back and invite them on with 0 attacking intent and wrong team selection. even Leicester would manage to score a couple against us if we invite them on all game. spurs played in front of us most game and struggled to create much, and every time we did show some attacking intent we looked like scoring and they panicked. there is a lot wrong at arsenal players who are not good enough and too inconsistent, but to say tottenham have a better team is mental. they have a far worse team. mason and bentalab are league 1 players who have high energy levels but nothing else. the defense is an accident waiting to happen. lloris is a class player admittedly. eriksen is decent, nothing much more, a couple of late winners and free kicks doesn't make him anything more than decent, does he run games? kane is on a hot streak, but lets discount meaningless goals in tin pot competitions against lower league, disinterested teams or Cypriot part timers, and look at his PL goals. about the same as charlie austin, who has far far less chances, yet isn't getting bigged up as kane is. remember michael rickets? he scored a few one season as did marcus stewart. the whole PL is pretty poor, arsenal are poor, and we all know why, but spurs are still crap and significantly worse than us. the game was purely won on tactics and motivation. arsenal set up completely wrong and did nothing to change it, and had 0 desire. spurs wanted it far far more. its like a cup game against up for it lower league sides. big clubs have a crap attitude the lower league side has far less skill but has heart and desire that will on occasion beat the superior skill of the big side. we should have bossed the game and comforatbly won. we have the players, but no the desire or tactics. swap the managers over (and pochettino is no messiah at all, just look at what koemans achieving with his decimated squad, and his great record in spain...)and we would have won easily. put a proper, non past it manager in charge of us finally and we will be above competing with the likes of spurs as we should be. and actually challenging the big clubs again.

  81. Hiccup

    Feb 08, 2015, 16:32 #66485

    Find myself agreeing with Westie and Jamerson/jamie/Jim/jemima. Too much energy is expended on here looking for reasons as to what went wrong when there are plenty of ready made excuses available that can be thrown around. If in doubt, and you find yourself scraping the barrel for an excuse, default to blaming the referee. This is excuse no 34 from the AKB catalogue, and I certainly think it is under used at times, and should be pedalled more often. Or maybe we should see what Gary Lineker has to say about it all? This guy that laughed at wenger falling on his arse and took the p!ss out of him for his arm waving antics, was wheeled out last week by Westie as a spokesperson for the AKB movement. You couldn't make it up. Before you know it, seeing as we now play anti football, they'll be quoting mourinho as a defence for wenger!

  82. Gaz

    Feb 08, 2015, 16:11 #66484

    I've mentioned this before but whilst I'm very critical of Wenger and the Club (I've wanted Wenger out for ages) I'm always looking for any reason to kind of get back to enjoying my Arsenal experiance. So after this recent run invluding a win-finally-against a 'big' side I decided that things might be changing for the better and I watched yesterdays game with real enthusiasm for the first time in ages. Went mad when we scored and felt that a win would confirm that we might be finally heading in the right direction. Of course I should have known better as not for the first time they went and let me down. We were just awful and deserved absolutely nothing. No player deserves any credit and I thought Ospina looked really bad. Made some 'Hollywood' type saves but kept on parraying the ball out into dangerous areas. In a bid to convince ourselves that he's better than Szczesney I reckon we all rated him better than he is. Both our goalkeepers are never as good as John Lukic and we eventually replaced him with David Seaman! As for Ozil if ther's a lazier looking player in the Premier league I've yet to see him. Scored a great goal but in these type of games you need everyone busting a gut and he does nothing of the sort. £42m? Hmmm. So, despite there being a lot of bravado about 'new dawns' and 'new starts' the simple fact is we're sixth. I realise some fans dont like us agreeing with other posters but Ron has nailed it once again...

  83. jeff wright

    Feb 08, 2015, 16:06 #66483

    MG, Wenger's glum comments after the game were rather telling ,by the way Jamie he never claimed that the ref cost us the game so shut up you fool, no Wenger's excuse was was that 'we lacked technique'. This is just another variation of his old 'we lacked sharpness ' or 'we played with the handbrake on'themes . Actually the technique that we lacked is called Sanchez. Without his skills to dress things up this side that Wenger has put together after 19 years is really rather ordinary.It's a fact also that without Sanchez's goals and contribution this term that we would be down in the lower half of the table. The same sort of allusion could be applied to the Harry Kane situation at spuds, they had him playing on Saturday while we did not have Sanchez though and it showed . Our old losing gambler now TV pundit Merse was at it again on Sky pre-match advising us to back Arsene to come out the winner of the tete a tete at the lane of pain despite Sanchez's non-involvement against Pouch's spuds. According to Merse, who admits to having lost a Million to the bookies gambling, we are not ,unlike the spuds,a one man band ,they rely on Kane too much Merse advised us while Arsenal have far more options than just Sanchez,so him being out did not matter. Well you could have fooled me! You couldn't make it up. Of course it's possible that Sanchez ,as was the case against Chelsea away,United at home, might not have made any difference anyway. Something other than Wenger's zonal marking on corners might have helped to prevent Harry K from scoring his first goal though .You would have thought that Steve Bould ,if he has any say in the coaching of the defence ,would have ditched this nonsense long ago,but he obviously under Arsene's megalomaniac regime doesn't have any.

  84. KC

    Feb 08, 2015, 15:40 #66482

    Ron it not always easy supporting a team your loyalty is tested and you question paying to a board of money making business men. In saying that Arsenal have always been run by money men that have never gone the extra mile Liam Bradys exit being a key point. I often think of giving up the season ticket but they won't bat an eye. If anything it will only be the fans at the ground that can bring Wenger down if enough ever turn against him. For all the boxes and tourists the vast majority are true die hard fans. I'm guessing only slipping out of the top four and the spuds finishing higher will be the only way that will happen. Social media does make it easy for anyone to type an opinion and not all that do are real fans which can really get the backs up of genuine fans. I'm not in agreement re Benitez wasted to much money on ordinary players at LFC but it's a fair shout. I'm just so frustrated at watching my team be so good at home and pathetic away that concede goals so easily. The players are there but the mentality is not.

  85. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 08, 2015, 15:39 #66481

    jolly jumper, good post, and it's good to see and have the, In wenger we rust, at the end back it's not used half enough.

  86. Danny

    Feb 08, 2015, 15:37 #66480

    Spurs were motivated and had teh desire to win. There spine is much better then ours. Lloris, Mason and Kane. our is piss poor Dont get me going on this lazy OZIL git. Nothing will change until there is chance at the very top. someone who knows tactics and how adapt during a game.Wenger OUT!

  87. Mike Collins

    Feb 08, 2015, 15:31 #66479

    DW Thomas and Mark T both mention in passing - something the man I'm talking about seems to be unable to do now - the poor play of Aaron Ramsey. Don't forget that last season he was a Fantasy League 'must-have', performing as Alexis Sanchez has shown this time. What on earth has happened to him? Did all the praise go to his head? Who on the coaching staff has overseen this steep downward spiral? Answers on a postcard, please. Finally, despite the bad result for us Gooners, you have to say we do local derbies much better than Merseyside. Did anyone see that atrocity at five-thirty? Well before the end I dabbed some gloss on the lounge door and thrilled while it dried off. C'mon Arsenal!

  88. jjetplane

    Feb 08, 2015, 15:22 #66478

    Bloody referees JAMERsON I know mate. Klopp would be instantly a better bet as from today. Next question .... Just a tinge of the old Wobbistics in your post there JAMERsON Always knew you were a WOB. Let it Go!

  89. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 08, 2015, 15:10 #66476

    Project youth, haven't heard that for a while that's long dead around our club as it takes the right/proper youth and the right coach to teach them and bring them on, we had neither especially the coach and still don't as any decent youngsters we do come across or sign are soon ruined under this excuse for one we have. Yesterday was testament to that, woeful defending for the goals with the seven Dwarfs standing marking their shadow as Snow White sat Rocking back and forth on the bench. So much for that test, giving the ball away stray passes, (where was the tippy tappy when it was needed)oh I forgot we only do that when we're allowed, is it any wonder some weren't getting to excited with hard on's all over the place after villa? If there's a positive that can be taken from the game (and it would be the only one)although he looked dodgy, nervous, flappy, (are they Dwarfs?) at times and has a long long way to go before proving himself it's ospina, only for him it could have been five or six. But not to worry it's the mighty Leicester up next at Snow whites place maybe they'll let us tickle their belly and play our tippy tappy and we can go on another so called run and everything will be rosey in the garden again and we'll have the usual back telling us this is it, we're back, we just need a bit of tinkering here and there, and what a great manager TOF is and who could do a better job.

  90. Mark T

    Feb 08, 2015, 14:50 #66475

    The old weaknesses came back to haunt us yet again. Little has changed really. Sanchez being out just takes the plaster away from the open wound and makes our problems more visible. Our possession and passing was poor and we looked all over the place at times. We seemed clueless going forward and both Ramsey and Ozil looked completely lost. Off the pitch, quite a few Gooners were talking about how they hated going to the Lane because of the intimidation. For some reason, WHL is the only top flight ground where police let that kind of behaviour continue. It's like something out of the dark ages. The sooner they get relegated the better.

  91. Ron

    Feb 08, 2015, 14:29 #66474

    KC - I differ with you on the match going/ non match going fan issue that you raise. I was a regular up to 2010 and up to then backed Wenger by and large and often to the hilt. On refelction i did it because the cost of going to games needed to be justified and looking at and criticizing Wenger and the Club didnt sit right with carrying on spending much on them. Having largely given up save for 4 or 5 away games each season now, it assists in looking at the Club honestly for what it is, so i think us key board warriors to whom you allude and seem to having a dig at, are probably rather more candid about the set up there, than are those that still subsidize its continuance and our mediocrity by repeatedly going to the games. We re free from any need to justify still turning out for the games but i accept that the truth about Wenger and the Club can make the regulars whince a bit. I used to feel it myself when fans used to say to me that he should have been ushered out back in 2006/7 time. Who's been proved correct mate? I suspect they have and i used to argue with them.All im saying is that distancing oneself from it can often give a more objective take on things.

  92. jjetplane

    Feb 08, 2015, 14:29 #66473

    As you say KEV, spuds were the hungrier side (see sweet potatoes) and if Citeh were on their game Arsene Fc (managerless) would have lost that too. With players of the simplistic maturity of Giroud being a big gun at Arsene Fc i reckon 5th or 6th would be a fair shout. Harry bleeding Kane was once a Arsenal player. Now we can see Lord Wenga's abstractive, cod philosophy for what it is. Any answers AKBs? 'cause you had loads after the Villa walkabout.

  93. DW Thomas

    Feb 08, 2015, 14:23 #66472

    Problem is no real change will happen. Lazy over paid players come from a past it over paid manager. Ramsey sucked. Ozil disappeared. Cazorla ineffective. Wher was Rosicky? Where was plan B? Terrible defending. Stop feeling sorry for our club. They make their own bed. Could not stomach the whining and lack of steel in tackles and scuffles for the ball. Ozil cannot deal with physical play! Giroud AGAIN was crying and did nothing. His assist looked like a misfired shot to me! Without Alexis we are a team of lazy wimps. Both their goals were weak and could have been easily stopped. But lack of effort and no desire to defend kills us in these games. Those saying Ozil needs better players to be effective are delusional! He should lead by example. His demeanor invites roughness and he can't deal with it. He lacks any pace and never goes past players on the dribble. I love his passing and vision, but his unwillingness to get stuck in and help defend is inexcusable. Rather have somebody more like Alexis who has been a revelation! So tired of watching this team thinking IF ONLY,

  94. Ron

    Feb 08, 2015, 14:15 #66471

    KC - You wdt see much Thurs Sunday routine if that happens.Not under Wenger. H ed put a team of stiffs and kids out and soon be eliminated. His own inverted snobbery (disregarding that hes never won it!) and i suspect most of his squad too wouldn't take it seriously enough to progress very far. The correct approach in my view would be to embrace it, take it seriously, give the Club some pride back and try and achieve a Europa Cup win. It would give valuable momentum and experience to players, probably all of which (Sanchez may one day get close perhaps once he leaves Arsenal, but hes the only one) wont ever see ECL glory in their careers. They and the Club think theyre ECL material, theyre not. Theyre at best Europa Cup winning standard players so whats wrong with trying to win it? I take yr point about the pro and anti Wenger axis mate, but the truth is that Arsenals future and fate in the short to medium term rests on which way the Club jumps regards him. Arsenal wont buy a very top bracket Coach. The Club is far too tight and doesn't want to match the ambition of men like that. Accepting that as a given, i would sack Wenger today if i could secure Rafa Benitez as his replacement. As it is, the Wenger fueled continuum will give you Mr Arsenal fan Henry as his seamless successor if hes allowed to get away with it. Thats Wengers best way of continuing to feather his own nest at the Club and to eke from it a disgusting level of salary while at the same time, ease in a puppet to keep him hands on from afar and for it to be kept all nice, cosy and French like. Its my view that he shdt be allowed to take us all for a ride any longer. To do as Westie oft advocates and shut our eyes to the problem and hope that it goes away has never served any business or any sporting ambition any good yet and nor will it. Appreciate yr sentiment on Wenger, most of us still hold some of it but sno reason to allow him to stay. Hes been massively paid. AFC have been good for him as much as his better years were good for Arsenal. People forget that. Any other truly top Club would have sacked him years ago. From a strictly business perspective which is AFC s main mantra, hes been allowed to remain only because football as a business has re defined success to allow mediocrity and failure to equate to success. Its unique in that regard but Monsieur Wenger has certainly milked the concept to its maximum, selling it to a commercially keen but footballingly naive Board, yr on yr.

  95. Seven Kings Gooner

    Feb 08, 2015, 14:07 #66470

    Good summing up Kev : strange the way we performed yesterday, we thought we could do a 1-0 to the Arsenal. If I had worked in day in football I would have told the players to keep close to Kane and pointed out Tottenham's run of late winners throughout the season - I certainly would have shut up shop at 1-1, given the home side's habit of nicking winners at the last knockings of a match. The fact that Kane scored a brace and one of them was in the 86th minute was for me a "double whammy" that we surely should have been better prepared for.

  96. Dartford gooner

    Feb 08, 2015, 13:50 #66469

    The second Kane goal was a joke, watch it again, our so called world class centre back Kos had his back to the cross and only got 6 inches off the ground. Ozil gets a great goal then sits back and does nothing. Santi looked worn out. Up front Giroud spent more time on the floor than on his feet.Oli if people keep kicking you try kicking them back. Mason kicked anyone that went near him, where was our midfield? have we not got anyone apart from the coq who can get stuck in.Roll on Tuesday, lets hope we can get back on track

  97. Rob

    Feb 08, 2015, 13:29 #66467

    Seems to me that they wanted it more than we did and their commitment told in the end. Once agin Wenger demonstrates his inability to change matters once the game begins. To say he's no Mourinho or Simone in this context is an understatement. It was also obvious that Kane was the danger man for them. Was there a plan to deal with him ? If there was I assume it's now in a bin somewhere. I thought the City performance was too good to be true.

  98. KC

    Feb 08, 2015, 13:29 #66466

    Bard in many ways 3rd 4th 5th only matters to the board as supporters it just means entry to a competition we can not win. For me personally I just want to avoid Thursday / Sunday football.

  99. Bard

    Feb 08, 2015, 13:11 #66465

    KC my query was a response to the fantasy that we are capable of reaching such dizzy heights not the points differential. It will be a bun fight for the minor places, as a minimum sides will need bottle, Arsenal don't have it. The worst charge levelled at the team yesterday was that they weren't up for the fight and where have we heard that before.

  100. jeff wright

    Feb 08, 2015, 13:11 #66464

    True to form Wenger stuck rigidly with his pre-match plan and late subs,the sight of Flim Flam warming up when we needed Superman said it all about our tired old manager (yawn). Saturday's result meant that Wenger has failed to win any back to games in the Prem this season and relies yet again on whipping the asses of the riff-raff of the Prem at home to help him to finish 4th. Our great leader has however failed to beat any top 4 opponent at home, City is the only win against a top 4 side away and they currently couldn't beat a carpet. This sort of form may retain the top 4 trophy come May,however I'm not as convinced about that as some are some of the away non-top 4 games, such as Palace, will not be any walk-over and could be banana-skins for a team as mentally fragile as our current one , this reflects the manager's own flakiness. Also the differentials between us and the other pretenders for Arsene's 4th place trophy are not as great as they were last term at this time when we had 12 points more than what we now have. It's clear that Wenger is not taking the club forward the only saving grace for Wenger is that Liverpool have not fully capitalized on our stuttering form,but there is still time , and look who they play next. You couldn't make it up.

  101. KC

    Feb 08, 2015, 13:00 #66463

    Bard really! we are currently 3 points off 3rd and we will not be far away come the end of the season. I'm not happy with that but us saints Utd Liverpool spuds there's not a lot of difference just believe we have a stronger squad. Look mate I'm as annoyed as all and want change just believe we will end up 3rd. Agree re Kane I'm an Arsenal fan England does not come into my thinking in regard football.

  102. Bard

    Feb 08, 2015, 12:50 #66462

    KC what are you on mate. 'we will finish 3rd', really. You are right the result in itself isn't terminal but the drift is. People seem to have forgotten that the club lashed out a club record in transfers this summer and the team is worse than it was last year. We are the 6th richest club in the world. Where is the accountability ? With the notable exception of City away we have show a distinct lack of bottle and nous when we go up against the bigger sides. If Wenger can't sort it out, and he has had enough time to sort it out ten times over, then he should resign. Personally I couldn't care less about Harry Kane, he's a spud and its for them to worry about.

  103. KC

    Feb 08, 2015, 12:45 #66461

    Ron I respect all views just do not agree with all. I get a little tired of the extreme anti Wenger as much as I get tired of the extreme pro Wenger views. The man has achieved a lot and kept us behind only the mega money teams. Now he appears to have lost the ability to set up the team with the right attitude away from the Emirates and I believe it's time for a new man. But I am wary of a new man because so many clubs get it wrong, I don't see many great candidates and the best are at other clubs. Personally I would want Simmone but I'm sure the club will not want him. I just do not want to see Arsenal go back to the depressing boring football that we watched before Wenger. Hard work within a quality team is essential. Yes Wenger has not got the balance right but at least he is on the side of constructive football and not destructive. As for this site I do enjoy reading a lot of views but I also enjoy going to games and in fairness I consider fans that turn up as more genuine fans appreciate not all can afford the cost and that's a genuine reason not to go but it's very easy to never support and sit their typing into a key board.

  104. N4

    Feb 08, 2015, 12:41 #66460

    Did not want to be negative or spoil the recent wins but I knew that the wins were a bit too easy for us because no one else (even Man City) did not really have a go at us...to my view! Yesterday's game were the real game where we were really tested to a higher level and we failed to win. For sure Spurs want it more than us and their fans were their 13th player. It is only then that I realised that Emirates the fans are too far away compare to Highbury hence the less noise...! My mind has been made for a long time now that even if Wenger wins the league, the champion league, the FA cup, the CapitalOne cup or even the Emirates cup I want him to go at the end of the season or worst case...end of his contract 2017...! To those that keep saying who are we going to replace Wenger with then think of a young manager just like the spurs...! I am not scared to change and the sooner the better every other newly appointed manager are making a difference except us! To me Wenger is the biggest problem at this club! Why was Wellbeck playing for a game like this is beyond me!?! Anyway not been excited for a whie and still...

  105. Know man

    Feb 08, 2015, 12:32 #66459

    Ozil is our most expensive player yet his net contribution is minimal. He is a luxury that you cannot afford in a match where commitment is necesary. He just goes missing, offers little from the wing yet he is worshipped by all. Rosicky or Theo would have been far better options. A world class player should be offering far more, his contributions are less than acceptable. Yes I'm aware he scored!

  106. Alsace

    Feb 08, 2015, 12:30 #66458

    We all feel the hurt of a loss to spurs. Whatever the result it was a better defensive performance than we are used to in such circumstances. It was apparent that Spurs were in full attack mode at high tempo which is how their manager likes to play. Our manager has no idea of how to react to another manager's game plan, and especially not during the game itself. He also selects the wrong players for any given task consistently. The Spurs game requires 11 players who want to see Spurs relegated to the Conference - fully committed. That is how you have to be against Tottenham. The team are playing better but overall and in the long run, Wenger has taken the best team in London, turned it into the second best and will accept third place in the capital - so long as he can keep his job. With the long view in mind rather than the knee jerk to losing to Spurs, it is a job he is not fit to keep.

  107. John F

    Feb 08, 2015, 11:53 #66457

    Sometimes you get a better perspective on how Arsenal are doing from opposition fans.Big Mal post was an honest assessment of where we are.I was talking to a chelsea fan who was telling me that he does not want Wenger to leave as he fears what force Arsenal might become under a different Manager.Says it all when your rivals want him to stay.

  108. Wardy

    Feb 08, 2015, 11:27 #66456

    Well said KC and big mal ,,,,, you've said it all, the best team won because they wanted it more ,,,, end of Lack of a leader and spineless at times (Ozil, Cazorla where did you hide?) ,,,, same old ,,,, Giroud plays like a fashion model ,,,, yes he got fouled but give it back for gods sake ,,,,, a few Sunday league games might toughen them up but I doubt it ,,,,, pampered and overpaid for underachieving and it won't change until the board shows the ambition to win major trophies and Wenger moves on I'm sad to say ,,,,, he's been a legend but it's time for a change

  109. Westlower

    Feb 08, 2015, 11:21 #66455

    Probably your best report of the season Kevin. Hard to disagree with your main points. Have we gone too far the other way in trying to defend a 1-0 lead? Do we have the players to park the bus, aka CFC? Surely we should continue to play to our attacking strengths when taking an early lead. Ozil, Cazorla, Theo, Bellerin, Ramsey are far better players going forward than being restricted to performing in their own half. Getting a second goal in the first half would surely have broken the home sides spirit. We certainly missed Debuchy's experience & Alexis's dynamics. Nobody drives the side forward more than Alexis. The defeat isn't terminal & hats off to Kane for scoring a glorious header, he probably won't repeat that goal in his whole career. Take it on the chin, learn from it, regroup & go again Tuesday. The league table is still as tight as a ducks arse. Where did Atkinson get those 5 yellow cards from? A real home team performance by this moderate ref. Finally, A.P. McCoy announced his retirement at the end of the NH season, saying he's looking forward to watching Arsenal play in the ECL.

  110. Wilshere likes a fag

    Feb 08, 2015, 11:00 #66454

    Sorry Kev cant agree with you on Ospina for the first goal.It was poor keeping.Nearly every save he made he parried it back into the danger zone.Everyone has got carried away by the City result but yesterday was a replica of the defeats at Swansea Stoke and Southampton.Stop Arsenal playing and we have no plan B or a tactically aware manager to make the necessary changes.Shouldnt we be expecting a £42m player to be dominating matches?

  111. Joe S.

    Feb 08, 2015, 10:55 #66453

    For better or worse I picked this result. I have to agree with Big Mal that there has been a fall out in quality over the years. The really great players are going elsewhere while Arsenal's youth system keeps producing a long line of championship and lower division players.I do however think that the coaching staff aside there have been some positives.We know what Sanchez can do, however Wellbeck, Chamberlain, Coquelin and Bellerin also offer something to build on. I also disagree with what is being said about Ozil. Had he played with the Invincables he would have been the missing piece which should have won the Champions league. Playing with this lot he has to play a backtracking game to which he is not suited.He can be magisterial or damned lazy however he is also surrounded by players who aren't quite up to his class.Nor is there a captain / manager who can lift him up a gear when he goes into a funk.The reality with Arsenal 2015 is that there are two pieces missing in a jigsaw which could see real trophies. The frustration of cause lies in our old friend Ground Hog Day telling us that we have been here before, and on and on.

  112. Finsbury Joe

    Feb 08, 2015, 10:52 #66452

    Arsenal embarrassed themselves and the shirt yesterday. The team where pathetic. I said at the beginning of the year, and it pains me to say it, Arsenal will count themselves lucky to finish 6th this year. This team are a damning indictment of their manager and owner, they have no bottle whatsoever, despite having a wage bill twice that of Spurs. It will not be dropping points to the big boys,Spurs, Utd and Chelsea that will take this team out of Europe, but the spineless performances at Stoke, Southampton and Swansea....and rest assured, there are more to come. True fans should be protesting , with voices raised against the manager, owner and players at the next home fixture. But won't hold my breath, the AKBs and tourists that make up the majority of Arsenal fans now, well, mediocrity is their watchword, and few things are as catching as rampant mediocrity. Arsenal are a mess from top to bottom, once giants of the game, now, taken apart by anyone with a modicum of tactical acumen. Would say Man City was a one off, but just look at their recent results. Rival fans must be laughing

  113. Frank

    Feb 08, 2015, 10:38 #66451

    Kev we caught City on a bad day.FFS they lost 2-0 to Boro the following week and nearly lost to Hull yesterday.Too much has been read into the City game.We were told this is the new Arsenal.No it isnt,its the same Arsenal we have seen for the last 8 years.Show me a slow track and i will show you an Arsenal team.Dopey Paul Merson actually said Arsenal are playing the best football in the league based on what a 5-0 win v a sh*te Villa team.Bellerin was exposed yesterday because Welbeck didnt help him the CB's got well and truly Kaned.The midfield was over run.Ramsey has been awful this season,Cazorla was back to his pre christmas form.Did Jonathan Pearce actually say Cazorla should be on of the front runners for player of the year??Retire now Jonathon.Ozil other than the goal may as well have sat in the directors box.As for our French model upfront he spent more time falling over take a look at the guy on the other side Giroud.Thanks to the our clueless manager we went on to the pitch with no tactics and no motivation.Even at HT when we were one up you could see drastic changes had to be made.Wenger did nothing we were even worse in the 2nd half.The frustrating thing is not a single thing will change.I will still say it again we are still 4 players short of even challenging.We still need a top class keeper A top class CB a Top quality DM,Coquelin is not the answer and a top quality striker.Now where have i heard that before?

  114. Ron

    Feb 08, 2015, 10:20 #66450

    Dead right Mal in all respects of yr post. Koschielny and Mertersacker. These two are the worst centre back pairing at the Club since the calamitous Ure and Laurie Brown mid 60s comedy show.

  115. West upper Highbury

    Feb 08, 2015, 10:12 #66449

    Kevin your exactly right about the youth system my 8 year old is currently at Norwich City and there policy is the same they don't really even want them to pass to each other.

  116. Flagondrier

    Feb 08, 2015, 10:10 #66448

    As a Spurs supporter since 1963, a time when we had more victories than you in the derbies, I have endured the bitter hurt of watching you overtake us, win 3 doubles and more other trophies than us. But today, as a season ticket holder still of Spurs, and after decades of always being just that bit behind you, I feel that we may at last be at a level playing field. May I congratulate you on the excellent and fair-minded tone of your post.

  117. Big Mal

    Feb 08, 2015, 10:00 #66447

    One of the problems I have always had about Arsenal fans judging their team before or after the game is 'the on paper' argument. There are two points to make here - obviously the game is played on grass and Tottenham's desire alone won that game, but the other is the fact that the Arsenal team gets a little poorer every year to the point where they now have players who simply aren't good enough. I looked at the teams yesterday and said there is no way that Tottenham will lose to that Arsenal XI. For the first time that I could remember the Tottenham side on paper was better than Arsenal's and obviously the desire would be far greater. Arsenal fans rate Koscielney. I see him as someone who cannot cope with a physical centre forward and again that proved the case. The right back is a school boy and the other 2 defenders are not top quality by a long chalk. Further forward I knew Ozil would disappear because that's what he does which meant that without Sanchez there was little threat. (I also think Rosicky is a fantastic player so was relieved to see him on the bench.) I sometimes wonder whether that is the team's problem as well. I bet Giroud thinks he's miles better than Kane and Ozil miles better than Eriksen etc. Ramsey played like someone who was outraged that Mason dared tackle him. I actually thought Ramsey was going to cry at one stage. Arsenal will end 4th (just again!) because they do have enough quality to do so, but watching from afar the model clearly isn't working. The revenue is massive; they make more money every year and yet get slightly worse every year - not dramatically but noticeably. Most worrying is that there is a lack of quality coming through which I have seen because of the many youth games I watch for my job. The stadium was to enable Arsenal to compete with the top teams in Europe. The reality is that it leaves them competing with the little team down the road.

  118. Mark from aylesbury

    Feb 08, 2015, 10:00 #66446

    Some strange reviews in the press with Ospina being blamed by some. I personally thought he played well. All that disciplined performance at Man City gone to pot at WHL. Despite Ozill scoring a beauty surely better to start with industrious Rosicky and if space got created later bring on Ozill.

  119. Ron

    Feb 08, 2015, 9:58 #66445

    KC - I respect yr posting mate but with respect to you, you should respect ours. Those like me and yr right, there are many thesed days havent formed our views over night, theyve been there for years and have developed on the long spectrum starting from being perpelexed by Wenger, through to frustration and on to acceptance of what hes become. We dont 'enjoy losing'. A good few of us have given 40 odd yrs to attaending at the Arsenal for heavens sake!. No, losing has become a reluctantly accepted vehicle, the only accepted vehicle that will shake AFC out of its lethargy. The Club and too many of its fans are locked into a psychological straitjacket that it and they cant or are too frightened to shake free of. Theyve been so Wenger conditioned by so many years of his presence that they cant see a way forward in my view. AFC were theyre long before him and hes created and is presiding over a Club that's stale. The man has got to go. Read yr own post. No desire, no heart and no leadership you say? What does that tell you? Does it tell that you that the cure for that lies within the Club, within Wenger. Youve just pointed out basic managerial failures that only a fool fails to recognize now. Losing games is now the only thing left to open peoples eyes to what the Clubs become. Its a hard thing to stomach, but i for one truly hope that the holy grail top 4 eludes Arsenal now. The Club will be the winner in the long run. PS Football fans, not necessarily many Arsenal fans see in Kane a player suited to football here, who plays with passion, skill, heart and most of all enjoyment. Tott player or not, its good to see and good for England. Not all of us still play the plastic we hate Tottenham tune to any great degree these days, just for the sake of it. We re maybe too old to engage in that stuff and football fans should have grown out of it by the time theyre in their 30s. Yes we jibe and torment them but the colour of a blokes shirt shouldnt tinge recognition of what he offers. Hes not likely to be a Tott for that long anyway is he.

  120. TJ

    Feb 08, 2015, 9:50 #66444

    Our goal was brilliantly crafted from individual executions and Welbeck had a great shot saved. Other than that, it was dreadful. I can't remember at 1-0 us stringing even three passes together. Ramsey is a shadow of last season, Cazorla has been struggling in the long term for a while now. Ozil you play as a playmaker or not at all, surely? Great goal but he is a passenger when we defend. Giroud again too slow for a big match. It's like I said yesterday, we can't really counterattack properly- OK, Spurs pressed really well, and it is a deadly strategy if executed properly, but if we go to hit on the break then that has to be factored in: the goal was the exception to fragmented passages of play. We need Walcott through the centre and a proper, two-man shield in front of the defence (Tiote or Schneiderlin in the summer anyone?) if we are to invite pressure in these big matches. Rosicky should replace Cazorla and AOC should replace Ramsey in my view. Again, it's not as simple as just turning up and defending- you need the right players, a proper counterattacking doctrine and the right system/tactics. We were lucky against City but will need more than that against other big teams if we are to improve in these encounters.

  121. au revoir wenger

    Feb 08, 2015, 9:47 #66443

    once again we see wenger not reacting to events on the pitch.Once he has picked the team he might as well go to the pictures or read a book as his ability to affect a game from the bench is non existent

  122. JollyJumper

    Feb 08, 2015, 9:45 #66442

    We did not play well, means terrible and were lucky to be a goal up at the halftime. Thanks to the clueless and idiotic Wenger we lost at the end. In the first half we had 2 shots i.e. Ozil's goal after Giroud's farcical miss plus a very weak one. Ospina kept us 1:0 up (3 decisive saves). In Sp*rs dressing room during the halftime break it was probably fuming. Our tactically clueless manager, instead taking out Ozil (bad today) and Wellbeck (1st match after injury) during the break and surprise Sp*rs 'Junior coach' (compared to our 'Best coach of the decade' ... cough, cough) by introducing Rosicky and Walcott and press them with two pairs of fresh legs straight from the beginning of the second halftime, Wenger waited 20-30 min too much. In the meantime Kane scored (Ramsey lost him completely on the second post after the corner and Coquelin left our right goalpost - typical Wenger's malady). At the end and 10min to go, tactically clueless Wenger did not introduced Gabriel or Flamini instead of Ramsey although it was obvious especially in the second half after their goal, that we are struggling. Same old, same old… Atkinson was himself: at 1:0 for AFC no penalty for a clear handball 3m from his eyes, yellows for us, no fouls or cards for our opponents, etc. Total shots: Sp*rs 23, Arsenal 7, on target 8 (super Ospina) vs 3 (two good saves by Lloris). Finally, this season Sp*rs won 5-6 matches by scoring during the last 5min; we lost 5-6 times 2 or all 3 points in the last 5-10min, although we were leading. In Wenger we rust!!

  123. Paulo75

    Feb 08, 2015, 9:42 #66441

    We weren't at the races yesterday. Like you say unable to keep possession of the ball on too many occasions. Great finish from Ozil but away from home his overall contribution was minimal yet again. Disappointing to take but recent form has been good so back to winning ways in midweek hopefully.

  124. Smithy

    Feb 08, 2015, 9:41 #66440

    Too many four out of ten performances. Ospina and welbeck excepted . Spine appalling both centre backs, the whole of the midfield and fibrous upfront. All players in a derby need to put a shift in - we were way off yesterday. Had to feel sorry for the young lad I'm the middle totally let down by santi Ramsey and ozil.

  125. Ron

    Feb 08, 2015, 9:38 #66439

    Hi Kev - players 'with a game that suits English football'. Sums Arsenals malaise up a treat. Wengers lost sight of whats needed to do that years ago. Moreover, many if not most teams have been 'hungrier' than Arsenal for years too. Theyve been shirking fights for too long. New broom needed. Fresh thinking needed. Radical change from top to bottom needed. Squad needs purging. New Coach needed who can put the pride, energy and purpose back into whats become an anemic Arsenal FC.

  126. KC

    Feb 08, 2015, 9:34 #66438

    Thank you for a good report that does not go over the top and keeps some perspective. I am as frustrated as most with Wengers inability to set the team up and get them to perform at away games which is becoming a massive concern. But this site does attract a core of people that appear to enjoy us losing. The bigging up of Kane and the Spuds is way way over the top. Kane is having a great season and on a hot streak but so many strikers go through this, teams will now start to study him, look at his strengths, try to negate etc lets give time a chance to prove if he is the real deal. As for the Spuds a lot of their supporters believe their league position is false compared to their performances and on many occasions either Kane or Eriksen have bailed them out with late winners. I am so fed up watching Arsenal not perform away from the Emirates it’s difficult to understand because although the set up of the team is often wrong there appears no desire, no heart and a complete melt down in passing the ball. We have a great squad being ruined by Wengers inability to show hard leadership discipline and a fear factor, the team believe they are better than they are even with so many crap performances away from the luxury of home. In saying all this I believe we will finish third but that does not compensate for the ongoing weaknesses because it will be a false third as at no point did we challenge the top spot but I do think we currently have the third best squad and it should be a lot closer to CFC than it is.