So where is the new TV deal money going to go?

Pigs in the trough time, but any thought about the matchgoing supporters?



So where is the new TV deal money going to go?

Available seats for Sunday on ticket exchange


Everyone will have seen the amounts being paid for three seasons of Premier League football by the TV companies in the new deal that begins in 2016. Remembering that all 20 of last season’s Premier League clubs made it into the top 40 of the recently published the Deloitte Football Money League, the extra income in the years to come is going to push more English teams towards the higher reaches in the list.

One potential positive of the deal, for the English game, is that it might actually make it more competitive. The extra Champions League income will not be as significant as it has been, paling into insignificance against domestic earnings (and remember this deal only covers UK broadcasting rights, there is more to come). What it could mean is that the top four does not become so predictable, as teams without European commitments can both put a stronger squad together and focus their efforts on their league programme. So we may see sides like Southampton, Everton, Tottenham (and any side that employs a good manager and gets the rub of the green) start to threaten the top four places (in recent years, largely the domain of Chelsea, Man Utd, Man City and Arsenal). Liverpool managed to break into it last season in this fashion after a period in the wilderness, displaced by Man City.

Now all this would be because of the ‘arms race’ when it comes to buying and paying the wages of players. And if that continues, as it surely will, both players and agents (and in-demand managers) will make even more obscene amounts of money. Either that, or certain clubs refuse to try to keep up with the Joneses and their owners extract profit where it is possible (on a significant scale, this would only be possible at Arsenal if Stan Kroenke decided to pay dividends, although that would mean 30% of the profits going to Alisher Usmanov, which is not something the American would do if he could avoid it).

However, with the sheer amount of money swilling around in the game thanks to the broadcasting income, there is growing pressure on clubs to address the issues related to the fans that attend matches. The Premier League have already ordered the clubs to contribute £250,000 each every season to helping their away supporters in some way. Arsenal do this by knocking off £2.50 from the price of every away ticket sold for Gunners’ Premier League away fixtures. Other clubs have initiatives such as providing free travel to matches. Yet, this is a drop in the ocean, and the extra revenue announced this week makes that drop even smaller.

The Football Supporters Federation have responded to the TV deal news by launching a petition (which will garner more publicity in time, as I suspect few fans are aware of it at the moment) re-iterating their demand for a policy of capping away ticket prices at £20 (this would cost a club like Arsenal £1 million a season, although in return, their own travelling supporters would benefit hugely) and additionally, lower prices for home fans and more support for grassroots football.

There is also a survey resulting from an Arsenal Supporters Trust meeting with Ofcom to sound out Arsenal fans about whether lower pricing for matches moved from Saturday 3pm kick offs to be shown on TV would influence their attendance at such matches. This can be competed here.

Any policy to benefit supporters from the new TV deal would have to come from the Premier League itself. The individual clubs certainly are not going to volunteer to give up income, even if it would benefit the game in terms of both the lower levels and the atmosphere at matches. For Arsenal, there is no incentive to help supporters financially. Home games sell out, and only very rarely do the club not shift their entire away allocation. The announcement to freeze ticket prices for next season was made by the club because we are close to zero inflation in the economy, the team are not doing as well in the league this season as in December 2013 when the last increases were announced, they could foresee a big jump in income from the new TV deal and the wave of poor publicity if they tried it would not have been good PR for the club that is supposed to care about its fans.

Yet, the Premier League has nothing to lose, financially, by telling the clubs what to do. They, after all, have delivered them the TV money through their putting together the packages put out to tender that have been carved up between Sky Sports and BT.

My personal fear is that we are moving to a similar model to the Spanish and Italian leagues whereby football matches are played for the convenience of television audiences rather than physical attendees. The consequences can be seen in the empty spaces at many games in both countries. And there is no doubt that for a number of clubs, televised matches reduces crowds. For Arsenal, this matters less as those empty seats have been paid for by season ticket holders who opt to stay at home and watch in the comfort of their front rooms (look at the sheer number of tickets for Sunday’s 4pm game – on BT Sport – available on ticket exchange in the image above. The orange areas indicate where seats are available and you can get pairs, threes and fours all over the stadium if you zoom in). However, specifically because season ticket holders cannot always make non 3pm Saturday matches, there is good reason for them to see some benefit from the new TV deal, in the form of less expensive season tickets. Never mind freezing the prices, the club can afford to reduce them.

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  1. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 17, 2015, 19:01 #66903

    HowardL, it depends when the appropriate organisations refs, linesmen, weathermen, laundry staff, north sea fishermen, etc can all get together to conspire against poor arsene and his flock.

  2. HowardL

    Feb 17, 2015, 18:39 #66901

    So when is the Man U Cup game - Fri? Sat? Sun? Mon? 11am? 2.05? 5.15? 11pm? Or all the Board all too busy counting the TV bonanza to bother about such trivialities?

  3. Alsace

    Feb 16, 2015, 17:32 #66847

    As Mr Exley says, whatever gets pumped in will go out in wages. The television money talks even louder. The solution doesn't lie in UEFA. It lies with the Government. The TV money should be taxed at source at a rate of 90% (only £500 million left between 20 clubs ) The tradeoff would be no tax and NI on the players wages up to £250k take home PER YEAR (not per week). Players wages and endorsements over that sum would be taxed at 500% so if any player got caught cheating he would be bankrupt. Revenue would be £3 million a game for Arsenal and the players would have to be paid from the gate money, with the TV bunce and the money saved on wages going on overheads. All player contracts would have to be terminable by law at the employers wish without penalty from the date of the tax change. That way the clubs could get rid of players charging too much for their services. Goodbye to mega rich players in the English game, goodbye to their agents making stupid demands, and goodbye to the ability of mega rich club owners to buy the league. Many of the foreign stars would leave us of course. That would be regrettable but there are only so many players who can play for Real Madrid, and many of them simply like it here. The net effect is that the government get more tax and we get our national game back. I'm going to suggest it to George Osborne. It will get the vote of fans tired of going to games at 4pm on a Sunday and paying ever increasing prices so that players cats can have diamond necklaces.

  4. HowardL

    Feb 16, 2015, 10:48 #66816

    Instead of posting my thoughts now - which are very much in line with yours, Kev - am I allowed to just put in a plug for my article in next week's Gooner - like wot you do from time to time?

  5. tubby gooner

    Feb 15, 2015, 22:56 #66810

    Meet ya for a pint in the bank of friendship any day Patrick. A wins a win. Come on you gunners.

  6. Patrick

    Feb 15, 2015, 21:55 #66809

    Why have you renamed yourself jamie? Once you thought you were funny but surely even you now know it's patethic. You're a very strange individual. For people to think you are a troll must speak volumes. As I've said to others before, if you have genuine chat then let's meet match days and iron things out. The Drayton is the one for me

  7. danny

    Feb 15, 2015, 21:17 #66808

    All that will happen is that Chelsea , Utd and City will break the 100m for player's and mid table team's will have to pay 20m to 30m for less than average player's while we will have a squad of 30m to 50m player's that will keep us in the top 6 along with Liverpool , Everton , Spud's etc . Not much change there then .

  8. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 15, 2015, 20:26 #66807

    Mike, i'm afraid your confused (no surprise there) it's the dark moonies (according to some anyway)but they'll not have to now as you've already done it.

  9. Mike

    Feb 15, 2015, 19:48 #66806

    Cue to the moonies to point out how awful Middlesborough were today

  10. jjetplane

    Feb 15, 2015, 15:43 #66805

    And yet MG there are no AKBs ('real Arsenal supporters') on here today driving their beloved 'heroes' (Ozil, Walcott et al)for more cup glory. Shows how plastic last season's experience was. Lovely post there JEFF perfect picture of 'Einstein on the Beach' lol! Poor/rich Sanchez - too good for the Wok but not big enough for the Spanish big guns ......

  11. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 15, 2015, 15:31 #66804

    jj, there's an FA cup game somewhere in north London today, apparently it's suddenly become important again. jw, and himself wasn't the only one he managed to convince (yet again) their arse is still sore after landing with a bang yet again.

  12. jeff wright

    Feb 15, 2015, 14:40 #66803

    This Sanchez 'fatigue' scenario was very predictable from the time the fool fell for Wenger's spiel during the euphoria of the world cupin sunny Brazil . Wenger was on a high after winning the FAC jumping about on the beach playing volley ball and getting paid to talk nonsensical crap on French TV and had convinced himself that the FAC win against Hull was the turning point after years of yawn inducing 4th place fake trophy wins and that a real trophy laden future for himself awaited back in the UK . I predicted at the start of this season that Sanchez would go the same way as Arshavin did, in like a lion out like a light. Wenger is notorious for flogging his best players to death ,he has to do it because he never has a proper strong squad of top ones. You could clearly tell by the Chileans body language that his bullish former attitude had turned to disenchantment and apathy the other night against Leicester ,we saw the same situation with Arshavin and with others also in the past such as 'super Samir Nasri ',Jameson probably made that little catchy ditty up you can just picture the clown singing the Barndoor one 'give him the ball and he will score! Then there was RVP ,oh,he scores when he wants, apart from in hotel rooms with young girls . You couldn't make it up. It does though show how inane things have become under Wenger and makes you wonder why characters like Jameson stay so loyal to the old French fraudster. Wenger is now in big trouble without Sanchez firing the bullets to help win points and games. Ozil has scored some goals but you need a visit to SpecSavers if you think that he has played well and he is not a player who is up for a ruck when the going gets tough as Sanchez was and there are plenty of tough games left. Wenger never learns does he you can't imagine Ferguson coming out and saying a player is fatigued and needs a rest ,some things should be kept quiet .Anyway few will believe this 'fatigue' story and see through it. Sanchez is obviously disillusioned having found that Wenger is just the mayor of Toy Town and not the Emperor of Eldorado.

  13. jjetplane

    Feb 15, 2015, 13:55 #66802

    Just managed five minutes of the Villa v Leicester Sunday football nightmare. Any other games on today? lol! It's all grinding to a halt and Arsene FC are in a dog fight in a cup no one cares about. Just heard the latest that apparently Sanchez is not 'right in the head.' After a couple of 'drill holes' they can rename him Theo 2.

  14. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 15, 2015, 13:41 #66801

    Hiccup, don't forget Leeds wengerites have been using them as an excuse for a lack of ambition for years now.

  15. jjetplane

    Feb 15, 2015, 13:16 #66800

    You bloody tell 'em mate! Coming on here giving it the big one. Do you think perhaps though it's you who should toddle off to somewhere more fitting of your limited utopia. Bit of a bore old bean. I thought waccy was supposed to chill you and make you a fun person. Bet you put a few mars bars (munch munch) in your 'carrier bag' before you set off to the WOK. What a great life you have ......

  16. brucegrove

    Feb 15, 2015, 6:35 #66799

    Effectively, i doubt if anything will really change. The top clubs will still be after the same players and will still be able to offer them higher salaries than the smaller clubs. Payng players 50% more won't make them try 50% harder. Players will be that much further removed from reality..reality being a world where WBA can offer Carlton Cole a £5m 2yr contract. There'll be absolutely no chance of SK walking away during his lifetime and even if away tickets were pegged at £20 it would still be a futile, throwaway gesture. The biggest change would be clubs like Burnley, Palace and possibly Bournemouth joining world football's elite top 30 richest clubs but hard to see any real change at the top

  17. Badarse

    Feb 14, 2015, 22:56 #66798

    Evening Hiccup, good but sad post. Life in many ways is in a downwards spiral. It's the way I see and interpret the signs around me. Jut an old injun, with his ear to the ground, listening to the far off hoofbeats. It doesn't please me; it saddens me. Perhaps I'm totally wrong, it's a bright horizon and I am looking at the world upside down. We are not so far apart. I am able to step aside from the chaos and focus on the battle-the next game. Does Bard see things much more differently to me? He just processes the info a little differently and asks for changes which will only come if fate decrees. I see weaknesses, frailties, stubbornness, greed, the playing of fans as a captured audience, and it will only alter if circumstances allow for that change. I don't see any positive signs. If this was your last season on earth, would you waste the time conversing with self-confessed non-supporters? I wouldn't-I don't. I gee up, have a laugh, go all serious, flip out a bit, have a few reactionary digs, have a kip, come back and have another laugh. It gets me through the night, and as John Lennon advised it's OK, whatever does that. Listen chum, I am not a harbinger of doom, but I do get it. It isn't just AFC fans, the world has cranked on another notch. Highbury is dust. We are where we are. I employ a form of myopic vision. It is match day, I lace up my boots, and I go out to win. I am that eighteen years old kid on the North Bank, I am the Arsenal. Ozil and Walcott in the same starting eleven isn't my choice, but they combined and we scored-it brought us three points. It is enough, it has to be enough, because anything else is a bonus. 24601? It's Jean Valjean's prison number, (Victor Hugo's 'Les Miserables'). westlower and myself both love the musical, but he prefers watching it on horseback on the carousel. As a form of respect and affection I call him that, because Valjean was arguably the greatest of heroes, (just behind Frank McLintock, ha ha). See you tomorrow fella, red and white dreams.

  18. jjetplane

    Feb 14, 2015, 22:29 #66797

    Anyone for a game of three and in before that rusty sun goes down. Baggsy I'm GG with the classy chip. **** Cantona! There was only one Arsenal! ....

  19. Hiccup

    Feb 14, 2015, 21:34 #66796

    Global, you need to read the script. Chelsea and City will go the way of Portsmouth and Arsenal will be ready to take advantage. Oh yes, and when Fergie retires too, arsenal will be ready to take advantage. Oh yes, and when FFP comes in to play, etc. The bollocks is never ending!

  20. jjetplane

    Feb 14, 2015, 21:25 #66795

    Football is dead! Long live the non-leagues! ... & Bournemouth and Middlesboro! ha ah!

  21. Hiccup

    Feb 14, 2015, 19:49 #66794

    Evening baddie. This apathy to the game is not just from arsenal fans. You speak to any fans from other clubs and they are no different. Those that go to games are sick to the back teeth of kick off dates and times being rescheduled for TV. Costs for United fans has increased, and I remember them bragging how cheap it was to watch the champions compared to other clubs. Not now. FA Cup 5th round day today, and only 2 games kicking off at the traditional 3pm time. I think match going fans grumbling about that have a fair point. You say those that grumble should get out. Well to be honest, half if not more of the posters on here have just done that, and admit it. and I just wonder what percentage of those still going begrudge paying over their money compared to the enjoyment that they used to get out of football? I think some fans even miss the old school that have called it a day, as atmospheres aren't the same. I'd go as far as saying that some of those that still go out of chore more than anything, resent the fact that they are getting ripped off while those that have gotten out gloat about it. Not just arsenal fans, but football fans. Christ, I find the game so mundane now I can hardly drag myself to the pub these days when mates are off to watch games. I only know one result from today by flicking on BT to see liverpool have won. Don't feel I'm missing out on owt. Anyway, all this aside, happy valentines day baddie xx! PS, where do you get these post numbers from like 24601? Mine are showing like 70200?

  22. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 14, 2015, 19:26 #66793

    Barnsbury, he continues to do that alright, and in his warped mind thinks he's succeeding, but a lot of us have more sense and know better, but it's lapped up and believed by others. jw, indeed, even throwing in the diversionary titbit that nobody's won his precious FA Cup more than him in those eighteen years of European failure. Master of spin or what? You couldn't make it up.

  23. jjetplane

    Feb 14, 2015, 18:59 #66792

    You could not make that up! lol! Such a visionary among the blind .... lol!

  24. Badarse

    Feb 14, 2015, 18:27 #66791

    There is a huge irony within the circumstances of this 'pay rise' for the PL clubs. Football in so many respects, countless respects, is ugly to the core, our club is not untainted. The corruption of the TV paymasters' operandi has damaged the entire essence of the PL, but corruption by that, 'filthy lucre', isn't new. We absorb and gently roll along, then it affects AFC and it becomes a pronounced consideration. Those bitching and complaining are lost in a no-man's-land. They begin by griping about the manager-which is understandable-move on to encompass the board and owners-even more understandable-then just lose themselves in bitter contortions aiming diatribes at the club, the inanimate stadium, the financial implications, (but only where it affects them, certainly not the wide-angled view of the influence of a global economy at work, and branding in that environment), and a general grumpiness harping back to the 'good old days' as a form of salvation. Some blame it on the young, who they claim are witless, others on the elders who they claim as dimwits locked into a comfort zone. They refuse to recognise, accept, or perhaps even understand the ramifications of the top-echelon football marketplace. All these implications which are likely to lead to a seismic shift in our very own PL, and specifically the changes for our club, are daunting, and uncertain. One considered aspect-hence the claim of irony earlier in the post-is that the things which rattle the cages of the clucking WOBs is that those circumstances are very likely to become more pronounced, more exaggerated, and more obvious once the inauguration is complete. My advice to them is get out now, you don't like the meal in front of you, so you certainly will not enjoy what is to follow. Ironic that it couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch. Good old Arsenal. Loved your insightful post on the subject 24601. Did you realise it won 'Post of the Week?

  25. jeff wright

    Feb 14, 2015, 18:15 #66790

    MG,I had to laugh reading how Wenger's obsession with the FAC had cost him in Europe, he is obviously very embarrassed by his 18 years of failure in Europe and this FAC nonsense is just more lies to try and cover up for that failure at top level. I can't recall many FAC ties that were played before midweek CL games . Wenger has played weaker sides in the FAC though prior to Prem midweek games ,including in that semi at Wembley prior to the 4-4 (Arshavin who was left out scored all of our 4) away game at Anfield. Wenger's does come out with some complete clap-trap. It's easily disproved though by the actual facts .

  26. Barnsbury

    Feb 14, 2015, 18:06 #66789

    Can anyone ever remember thinking during an FA Cup tie that Wenger's unnecessarily strong team selection could jeopardise our chances of winning an upcoming Champions League game? No, neither can I. The man continues to insult our intelligence, I dream of the day he leaves my football club.

  27. jjetplane

    Feb 14, 2015, 17:55 #66788

    The Tesco of Football. WEsTIE will probably say they are more Waitrose. you could not .....

  28. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 14, 2015, 17:45 #66787

    jj, nearly as much as OGL, he reckons his obsession with it has cost his yes his, team in Europe, you really couldn't make it up.

  29. jjetplane

    Feb 14, 2015, 16:56 #66786

    WESTIE just loves the FA Cup! lol!

  30. Westlower

    Feb 14, 2015, 16:51 #66785

    The Neanderthals & the fatigued Hammers wont be winning the FA Cup this year!

  31. Badarse

    Feb 14, 2015, 15:31 #66784

    Tony Evans, Ron and maguiresbridge. It's quite clear that none of you have ever grasped the concept of unionised picket lines, or are ever likely to now. It is a powerful weapon in industrial relations disputes-to withhold your labour-but not to bully, harry, intimidate or threaten, in order to obtain a narrow aim. The precept is that the action is for the benefit of all, rather than for the selfish motives of a minority-that is clearly an understanding you three struggle with judging by the hectoring, and dismissive posts previously offered. GBH? Yes, it would require that, and set at the highest temperature should anyone ever try to stop me from seeing 'my' Arsenal. Only kidding.

  32. jeff wright

    Feb 14, 2015, 14:39 #66783

    Thames Valley police have enraged men called Brian for saying that it is not a name suitable for a horse.The six year old nag is on trial with the police force's mounted section.Inspector Bill Plodalong said that:" Police horses are normally named after gods of war such as Odin" And that," Brian conjured up images of Monty Python and silly arses ." Any judge on all known evidence would surely find the said named guilty as charged!

  33. Danny

    Feb 14, 2015, 14:36 #66782

    The money will go to Korenke to buy a new stadium and Wengers pockets plus greedy lazy average players that Arsenal are accustom to buy

  34. Matthew Bazell

    Feb 14, 2015, 14:19 #66781

    This will not make the league any better. All this money will do is ensure that the guy who is on 50k a week will now get 100k a week. Football is no better than it was 15 years ago but look at how much it costs to watch it and how much average players can earn. Time to call it a day and say goodbye

  35. maguires

    Feb 14, 2015, 13:19 #66780

    Website Editor, it's not that I didn't believe you, (I've seen it myself there's that many tickets available on it now that many remain unsold and the chance of getting rid of your ticket is slim) it was just a quip that maybe the late mad rush and more interest was because news had come through that OGL had resigned.

  36. Badarse

    Feb 14, 2015, 11:44 #66779

    Arrgh! He is back amongst us! Said to a friend, (I do have at least one), was going to Boreham for a week, he pleaded with me not to post on here extensively. I explained I'd said, 'Boreham', not, 'Bore 'em'. Anyway am home for the weekend and as he had planted a seed of an idea here I am, so prepared to be bored. Another friend, (Susej he has two friends!), was at a David Dein, 'after dinner speech', last week. DD said, 'Was walking down the street and saw a Tottenham season ticket nailed to a wall. I thought, "That nail will come in handy later!"

  37. Robert Exley

    Feb 14, 2015, 11:40 #66778

    The current FA chairman, Greg Dyke, once said in his autobiography that the way to make a small fortune with a football club is to start with a large one. The average profit margin of an average Premiership football club is actually on a par with a supermarket (not a chain of supermarkets, but a single one!). The top two in the Premiership are unsurprisingly two loss leading clubs heavily subsidized by oligarchs rather than living within the market. The fact of the matter is, Whatever comes in usually goes out again on wages rather than investment or passed on to a fan base who do not act like customers do in any other market. I suppose it's understandable why players would seek as much as they can as most of them are retired by 35 with no other real skills to their name. My solution would be for UEFA to place a cap on the total player payments for any club qualifying the Champions League. If they exceed it, they are expelled for the following season. It works in North American and Australian sports. It even works in European sports that have promotion and relegation, like both codes of Rugby. There's no valid reason why it won't work in European Football.

  38. Rippy

    Feb 14, 2015, 9:55 #66777

    TJ great idea. And comment . Sums up the situation perfectly. Chelsea and Man City have destroyed the pockets of supporters all over the country. Man utd are the only big club to try to keep the prices reasonable. But even that's changing. The short sighted FA should have cracked down on chelsea straight away. The greed in football is the worst of any sport. Even in the states the protection of the sport prevails. So what if the owner makes more money. At least the supporters are not fleased. Like we at arsenal have been in our attempt to keep up with Chelsea and city. Arseholes like Ashley cole van Persia just confirmed to me a long time ago that football needs help. A wage cap of 60-70% works great.

  39. Website Editor

    Feb 14, 2015, 0:42 #66776

    @Jamerson - I think the reason for the £97 ticket price as top price is because the club do not publicise the £123 tickets - on the basis that they are all season tickets now and never available to silver and red members... although if you go on ticket exchange you will find them. @maguiresbridge - The ticket exchange normally closes for business in the afternoon of the last working day before the game. Trust me there were so many left when I looked at lunchtime, there will be tons of empty (but paid for ) seats on Sunday - as is often the way these days for 80% of home matches.

  40. Rocky RIP

    Feb 13, 2015, 22:57 #66775

    So many proper fans have been driven away from attending top flight football - it's pure madness. People whose character is almost defined by their love for their club. The same people who simply don't want to go any more and despise modern football. What a nonsense state of affairs. This is an opportunity for clubs like Arsenal to exercise a bit of brand repair. To rebuild a level of goodwill from its fans which seems to have diminished. Class is in the small details. The gestures that reciprocate the love in an understated but significant way. Arsenal once had class. That's why most of us love the club, despite some of the pants stuff around today. I'd love Arsenal to act in a way which made me believe it still does and isn't another corporate money making machine, milking its customers like a cash cow, but I expect to be disappointed. After all, as Scudamore says, it's not a charity. (Words that will come back to bite football, I'm convinced.)

  41. UTU

    Feb 13, 2015, 21:38 #66774

    £ 100 plus for a grand A Match over The Arsenal. Large numbers of Premier League seats remain unsold every week. Only a matter of time before fans lose interest in watching football matches with half empty stadiums and no atmosphere. subscriptions will be cancelled and what happens then ?

  42. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 13, 2015, 19:57 #66772

    There must have been an almighty late scramble for tickets on the ticket exchange as it's now closed and the games classed as sold out, has TOF resigned or something?

  43. exiled&dangerous

    Feb 13, 2015, 19:56 #66771

    Ah, feck - their agents would see through my scheme: "Play badly, get the punters to leave early, we'll make a bundle. Happy Days."

  44. jjetplane

    Feb 13, 2015, 19:27 #66770

    And that puts Lord Walcott in a bed sit and doing keepy uppies in Covent Garden for extra dosh.

  45. exiled&dangerous

    Feb 13, 2015, 18:43 #66769

    Exeter Gunner - you just gave me a radical new idea: a pre-paid swipe card at the turnstile. You swipe it on the way in, and again on the way out which is when it gets debited. Two quid for a loss, fiver for a draw, tenner for a win, plus a pound each goal. And a ten pound penalty for leaving before the game's over! Link the match income to the players' wages and here we are, folks, performance related pay.

  46. Hiccup

    Feb 13, 2015, 17:37 #66768

    Ticket prices are totally independent to other forms of revenue received. Had we been top of the league, prices would probably have gone up 2 or 3%. The fact that ticket prices have been frozen ( for whatever reason) has to be good for any customer in any industry. I don't see gas suppliers falling over themselves to reduce our gas bills when they pay less for our supply. Ron, as for the bubble bursting, I used to think it would, but it looks like continuing for a while yet. I think after fags and booze, Sky subscription is next on any couch potatoes agenda. If fans with season tickets are preferring to forego attending to watch in the warmth of their home, with probably more atmosphere shouting at the screen as wenger zips his jacket up, you can hardly blame them. In value terms, paying £50 or £60 a month to watch around 15 PL games is better than attending one game for the same cost. I can imagine dads all around the country asking their ten year old lad what they'd rather have. Go to one game a month or have unlimited coverage at home.

  47. Gare K

    Feb 13, 2015, 16:35 #66767

    Very good piece. I could be wrong here but I don’t think ticket prices at Premier League clubs will be reduced anytime soon at the very least despite the increase in TV revenue from 2016/17. FFP (what a nonsense that is btw & so far not helping The Arsenal as it was apparently supposed to) from both the Premier League & UEFA means clubs will be under more pressure than ever to keep their finances in check. If they make a loss, they wouldn’t want it to be huge or continuous otherwise they could fall foul of a few penalties for breaching those rules as Man City found out just weeks after winning the title last season. Not just ticket prices but also lucrative pre-season & end of season tours. Heck, some clubs will even play lucrative mid-season friendlies to swell up the coffers e.g. Man City playing a friendly in the Middle East days before a home FA Cup to Middlesbrough for which we know they lost (serves them right too). And in case a Man City fan is reading as I know fans of other clubs like to browse through this site, I’m not having a dig at them just stating an opinion. Up The Arsenal!

  48. I remember when Arsenal cared about its supporters.

    Feb 13, 2015, 16:27 #66766

    Whilst everything is logically correct about the overriding ability of the club to reduce ticket prices they will not. This is simply because it is a business not a club any more. There was no need to increase the prices by 3% for this season but they did. Ivan the Terrible will continue to peddle the statement that we need the money to invest in our top priority, the team, whilst taking another inflated bonus for prioritising profit for Arsenal plc. All the rationale arguments will not dent their position as they do not in reality operate through discussion and rational discourse. Wake up and smell the coffee, the club we love is a sub-culture of the business they operate. They only care about maintaining unswerving loyalty.Love is blind. Only when we get supporters on the board will we regain control, though Ivan the Terrible will resist that at all costs. Power is given, control is taken.

  49. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 13, 2015, 16:11 #66765

    £1 every 10 minutes, that should read.

  50. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 13, 2015, 15:50 #66764

    I share the hopes of others that the bubble bursts, though it's difficult to see it at the moment as more and more parts of the globe fall under the spell of the EPL. People want to feel they're part of something glamorous and exciting, when the reality of it is more vulgar and mundane. AFC serves as a microcosm of this; people in thrall to what they're told rather than what their eyes tell them in terms of the team and certain individuals. Anyway, it's obvious the game's greedy power brokers will push and push until they've squeezed all they can out of the global audience, so let's hope it does eventually blow up in their faces and football shrinks back to something like how it was - turn up at the turnstile and pay, safe standing, players not millionaires after their first contract and so on. As AFC moves towards charging a £1 a minute and over, £9 every 10 minutes would be far more representative of what you're actually getting, in my view. £9 a match sounds about right to me

  51. Ron

    Feb 13, 2015, 14:14 #66763

    Hi Kev- Good points. Anything that lessens the effect of that dreadful ECL is ok by me. By definition it will reduce the role and influence of UEFA and in the grander scheme of things as the Clubs become true Kings of all that they survey, the role and need for FIFA lessens too. Internationals will soon be a thing of the past and not before time as i see it. The WC has become more of a charade as the years pass. Maybe sanity could yet prevail in due course out of all of this and each League has only its Champions in the CL league? This way would re establish the profile of the domestic Cups euro wide that it has eroded and make them a better spectacle. The risk is though that UEFA will see a 'Euro League' as their way of harnessing the cash power of the Clubs eventually i suppose and leave the weaker Clubs with some skeleton tin pot Euro trophy to fight for that might make the Europa Cup look like a prestige trophy by comparison. The PL have to be congratulated ultimately in the way they've marketed some thing as shabby as PL football to be some thing so desirable for the TV and the armchair couch potato fraternity and made millions from it. Not so many years ago, many of us used to say that the Clubs would be happy playing in empty grounds. Its getting close to reality. Tickets will go up in price, they're not going to come down in my view. Less people bothering to go thus?Lets face it, the watchers in the pub are more often than not more animated than those in the stadia. When and will the bubble burst Kev? As sure as night follows day, it will do. Sooner the better i say!

  52. Red Member

    Feb 13, 2015, 13:59 #66762

    you are absoultetly right RJ. This is my biggest concern over the new deal. whereas now there is no incentive to win the league the future orange days at Arsenal post Wenger could mean drifting along like Newcastle. I am sure Kroenke is very interested in Mike Ashley's model by the way. Newcastle still sell out dont they.

  53. RJ

    Feb 13, 2015, 13:50 #66761

    Dear Editor - as ever, an excellent piece. One thing I hadn't thought about until reading this - you are right that this means ECL money is now less important - does this then mean that the pressure to get even into the Top 4 disappears for SK and AW as they can go nicely mid-table, reduce squad size and nicely snooze away without even having the pretence of competing for the top spot? This money deal could have the consequence of Arsenal not actually coming remotely close to mounting a campaign for half a season (as we did last year) since there is no pressure to from a financial imeprative. Now that would be miserable. Without the Fouth Place Trophy to compete for, we really would be down to the odd cup every ten years or so.

  54. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 13, 2015, 13:29 #66760

    Is all the extra dough really going to make any difference to Arsenal where it matters, on the pitch? with the kind of player/players we buy? no doubt with this old past it manager we have and his constant trying to prove everybody wrong we'll still be (with the odd exception only when he has to or someone else does, or somebody falls into his lap) scraping about in the bargain basement for second raters hoping one day they'll come good.

  55. jjetplane

    Feb 13, 2015, 13:24 #66759

    The future is orange, not red. Good ****ing riddens. Looks more like a football that needs pumping up than a wok. Meaning .......

  56. TJ

    Feb 13, 2015, 13:01 #66757

    It is incredible the amount of money now being pumped into the Premier League. The only way to curtail the insane player wages is to force clubs to have a maximum percentage of turnover paid on wages, 60-70% at most I would say. The EPL total TV money is going to be SEVERAL (3-4?) times bigger than La Liga, Bundesliga, Serie A and Ligue 1. Barca and Real, with the exception of Atletico, hog all of the domestic rights football, so overall La Liga is a far inferior product- it would take years for the smaller clubs to catch up. The La Liga President acknowledged that La Liga's stars might leave for the EPL soon... This really is incredible. This might usher in the Premier League dominating the market share and eventually European football- maybe they'll add a CL place and it will be a fifth place trophy!? The ironic thing here is that the English clubs don't do as well in Europe as they used to. Only really Chelsea have a faint chance of winning the Champions League- it is entertaining to see an even playing field in the Premier League but the standard is not what is used to be, but apparently the value is MUCH higher...