Football’s Napster

Regardless of the cost of the deal with the Premier League, if the Satellite companies charge a king’s ransom for TV football, more fans will simply watch it for free.



Football’s Napster


As you’ll all be aware by now, the Premiership’s £5.1 billion domestic TV rights deal means that an extra £2 billion will be flowing through the collective coffers of EPL sides over the next three years. Also, many speculate that the overseas TV rights deal, which currently reaps around £2 billion, may sooner or later even exceed the figure generated by domestic TV rights. English Football’s continued appeal to the TV companies and the companies which advertise on their platform should come as no real surprise. For all its faults, modern Football is largely a sport with pan-social appeal and, in an increasingly fragmented multi-media landscape, Football (as well as most major sporting events) is often usually the only guarantee of a comparatively large simultaneous audience.

As an example, soap operas such as Coronation Street - which once counted on TV audiences around the fifteen million mark - now only attain around half that figure. In comparison, even Portugal v Czech Republic in Euro 2012 managed to reap around eight million viewers in the middle of summer (traditionally the worst performing period for TV viewing figures). For every action however there is an equal and opposite reaction, as BSkyB’s share price had fallen by 2.2% on the back of this deal with many speculating that it would claw back at least £100m through incremental price rises in subscription fees.

The price rises in satellite subscription over the last twenty odd years aren’t the only instance where BSkyB have tried to recoup the increasing amounts laid out to secure broadcasting rights. Football coverage used to be a nice earner for pubs, who in 1992 were charged a flat rate of £6 per month to show games broadcasted on a network which less than 1% of the population bothered subscribing to. However, according to a High Pay Centre report titled ‘Football Mad’, the rise in the years since has topped as much as an unsustainable 10,000%. A price rise which is more often than not passed on to the customer in the form of higher drinks prices, despite this being an era where many local pubs are disappearing at a rate on knots due to being priced out by the availability cheaper beer in supermarkets and off licences.

The very same report commented that: ‘the common trend across all fronts is that wherever people watch Football, there is a concerted effort to raise prices well above inflation, be that in the stadium, at home on TV or in pubs’. Football’s rise in popularity over the last quarter of a century has led to many a lazy hack (myself included) to comment that the game has risen in the public’s consciousness to the status of becoming ‘the new rock ‘n’ roll’. However, it’s worth pondering on what actually did become of the old rock ‘n’ roll.

Up until around fifteen years ago, the music recording industry was practically a licence to print money. The birth of the Compact Disc era in the early to mid-1980s led to a long protracted boom in the recording industry which continued until around the time of the millennium. The CD was promoted by the recording industry as being a technological advancement in sound from what vinyl could achieve and as such record companies doubled the price of the product. Many music lovers also re-bought much of what they’d originally bought on Vinyl. Ultimately though, the CD was cheaper to manufacture than vinyl, as well as cheaper to ship as it was a more durable product that was far lighter in weight.

The record labels earned enormous profits off the back of the expensively priced CD, to the extent that an early advocate of the CD format (who in the early 80s convinced sceptical music industry bigwigs that the CD was the way forward), Warner’s Jac Holzman, even conceded that ‘it's fine to keep that up for two or three years. But the labels kept it up far too long. And I think it was a fraud on the public'. The boom came to a huge crash with the birth of the twenty first century digital age, as most people’s home PCs came with an in-built CD burner, leading many to question why CDs were so expensive in the first place.

The major game changer however came in 1998 on an internet chatroom called ‘w00w00’, as a seventeen year old whizz-kid called Shawn Fanning, under the moniker of ‘Napster’ revealed that he had created software which would allow internet users to dip into each other’s hard drives to share digital audio MP3 music files – what came to be known as ‘Peer to Peer’ (P2P) media. Within a decade or so, once mighty chain stores such as Our Price, Tower Records, Virgin Megastores and Woolworths went to the wall and technology meant that a general public who once paid around £15 to buy an entire album of songs (of which they often only wanted to acquire one or two) could now acquire the individual songs they wanted off the internet for as little as 99p each (if they actually bothered to purchase it at all as file sharing sites such as Limewire continued long after Napster was curtailed by the US courts in July 2001).

In the years that followed, a shrewd businessman like Steve Jobs had the record companies over a barrel, with Apple and it’s iPod and iTunes products seeing its stock rising from $8 Billion to $80 Billion as a result, with the stock of major recording companies often going in the opposite direction, but with little in the way of public sympathy for their plight, as much of the general public could recall the extent to which they were fleeced a little over a decade earlier. Ironically, a threat to Football and the Satellite TV industry’s long protracted boom may very well develop as a result of the very same P2P file sharing technology, albeit with Live TV pictures as opposed to music files.

The rapid global rise of broadband internet connection over the last decade, as well as technological improvements in P2P streaming has meant that a viable alternative to paying over the odds to watch Football has in recent years developed through the online streaming of games available to the Football public, free of charge. If this When Saturday Comes article is anything to go by, this practice has existed over the internet for most of the last decade. Most people who have used it for the majority of this time however would testify to just how temperamental these streams have historically been and, up until the last few years, you certainly wouldn’t have chanced watching on it anything other than a meaningless game involving two neutral sides.

The regular breaking down of internet streams meant that, up until recently, you certainly wouldn’t have considered choosing it for watching an Arsenal game over Sky Sports in the local or traipsing up to a backstreet Finsbury Park boozer to watch Arab satellite coverage of a live game unavailable in the UK. Over the last year or so, however, internet streaming has proved more reliable than it previously was and very often having a second stream of a game as back-up if the one you’re watching crashes is usually enough to ensure that none of the action is missed.

For me personally, I’d never give money to Rupert Murdoch on principle. I’m also generally not over keen on rushing home from work early enough on a weekday evening to squeeze dinner in before the pub. Neither am I that keen on consuming alcohol on a work-day evening, or dragging out a couple of soft drinks long enough to satisfy a publican that I’m consuming enough of his produce to justify occupying space in his bar. It’s with this in mind therefore, that I have found myself turning more to the internet stream to catch midweek games that are shown on Satellite.

Admittedly, the vision on such streams can often be cloudy, but the quality of picture is generally sufficient enough to view. There may very well be those who will question whether people will seriously abandon HD-quality satellite subscription for the potential of a lower quality stream. Fifteen years ago, however, there were also those who seriously questioned whether people would swap CD-quality sound for lower quality MP3 downloads, which ultimately enough people did to seriously dent the recording industry’s turnover. There too also currently exists USB equipment to allow people to hook their PCs up to their widescreen TVs. In the years ahead it’s also more than likely that the popularity of the Smart TV – with its inbuilt internet connection – will continue to rise. This YouTube video shows exactly how Smart TV can be exploited to view Premiership matches without a subscription (as well as live matches not broadcast on TV at all within the UK).

When you bear in mind that the Premiership years had effectively priced out a generation of younger fans at the turnstile (in 1992 a quarter of matchday attendees were aged between sixteen and twenty years of age; by 2007 only 9% were under twenty four and the average age of attendees was forty three), as well as the widely-held truism that the young are more adept at newer technology (as was the case with the downloading of music files in the late 90s/early 00s), Football risks raising a generation of fans accustomed to paying absolutely nothing to view its product in much the same way as today’s pop music industry has to live within a world where fans for the most part pay nothing to own a song.

The Premier League has considered internet streaming enough of a threat to have pushed for the closure of 30,000 illegal streams back in 2012 through internet enforcement company NetResult. However, a spokesman for the company had stated: ‘It is a case of 'whack-a-mole'. One disappears and another one comes back online’, as in the social media era with sites such as Facebook and Twitter, re-emerging sites quickly go viral to a receptive global audience.

Many have raised the question of the extent to which social media can genuinely challenge the hegemony of the traditional media empires. Quite possibly, Premiership TV coverage could be the next theatre of conflict between the two. Premiership football clubs would do well to realise at this point that quite possibly there may well be limits to the extent to which Football fans can be milked for revenue, in order to forego any football clubs eventually going the same way as the once mighty Our Price or Woolworths.

Robert Exley is the author of Modern Life Is Rubbish: How Feral Capitalism Ruined British Culture


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  1. Tony pepe

    Feb 20, 2015, 22:56 #67099

    Who killed Jeff Wright. IF ONLY?!?!?!!!!!

  2. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 20, 2015, 22:30 #67097

    Apologies for going off piste and i'm not an Eastenders fan but had no choice the last couple of nights, but did anyone else see my favourite actor/performer make an appearance tonight (even though it was as an extra) Ron Jeremy.

  3. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 20, 2015, 21:58 #67096

    SKG, I wonder who's walking behind him with the poo bags? or do we need to ask.

  4. Badarse

    Feb 20, 2015, 21:22 #67094

    Love it Hiccup. If we worked at it we might even incorporate the Possan so we could do the Mexican Wave backwards. I do not have Sky Sports either, and Murdoch and his ugly manoeuvrings are not welcome in this house. Bet if I said my Dad was an amateur wrestler, and a good one, some would want to tie me in knots.

  5. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 20, 2015, 19:49 #67089

    Hiccup, my two young guns used to love WWE, I even took them once, reminded me a lot of Arsenal, to many Randy Ortons, John Cena's, and Horn swoggols, and not enough Shaymus's and undertakers, but both had a big show on the side lines always complaining

  6. jjetplane

    Feb 20, 2015, 19:36 #67088

    HICCup and MC lovely stuff! Neville and the Wave - ****ing bliss!

  7. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 20, 2015, 19:16 #67086

    jw, there's a few who probably think the book fifty shades of grey was about painting and decorating. jj he mumbled something in fluent Martian, either that or it was some sort of code that only he and his followers understand.

  8. Hiccup

    Feb 20, 2015, 19:08 #67085

    Baddie, well I am considering not renewing my sky subscription. The lack of atmosphere at games is spoiling my enjoyment of the game. Empty seats after kick off and with ten mins to go. The fans need to understand that they are part of the entertainment and need to shape up, otherwise us couch potatoes will turn over to WWF where the fans really know how to enjoy themselves and make some atmosphere. The pundits do their bit using great touch screen technology to show us how a full back was to blame for a goal after being dragged out of position. I'd like to see the return of the Mexican Wave. Looks great on the telly, and Neville and Carragher could analyse where it started and how it broke down.

  9. jjetplane

    Feb 20, 2015, 18:18 #67084

    Che Guevara.

  10. Badarse

    Feb 20, 2015, 18:01 #67083

    Hi Hiccup. Not a theory, an observation. I didn't think I was disagreeing with you, just widening the perspective with the known and accepted facts. Of course the club should address the 'fan' situation, which encompasses most things we are unhappy with that affect us adversely; these are generally the same things about which we have little control over, which also touch us in our lives. If you recognise AFC as a business-they are because those are the rules of engagement now, like it or lump it-then there attitude is pretty constant with businesses. The energy companies have to be dragged kicking and screaming to a point of considered justice and fairness towards their customers-we are customers to AFC, so it's a common thread. As I said legislation is the only weapon, and that is effete. We cannot control the bankers, parliament, even Obama is being brought down by Wall Street. What I bang on about isn't a masonic secret conspiratorial thrust of power play. There are known players, known motives, known chicaneries, known strategies and objectives. It all leaves a distinctly sour taste in our mouths. Barring a revolution we can only mouth our discontent on message boards, or shrug and put the kettle on-neither achieves a particularly positive outcome, I am sorry to say.

  11. Ron

    Feb 20, 2015, 17:30 #67081

    Roy - all good stuff there mate. As much as the debate goes on as to who rips who off ie TV or the Clubs, the best outcome ultimately for televised football would be for the Clubs to be able to show their own (unless theres some factor in that which militates against it?) as Utd were limbering up to do a few yrs back and were scuttled. Bottom line, would we sooner be ripped off by AFC or that b-----d Murdoch and his cronies?. Its a no brainer for many whatever positions we ve taken up vis the Club and all that goes with it.

  12. Roy

    Feb 20, 2015, 17:18 #67080

    Excellent article which makes really does make you think. Before the PL era, many people scoffed at the very idea of subscription TV. No way will people pay twice ( on top of their licence ) to watch TV, they said. For this reason alone, it'll never work, they said. When the two protagonists BSB and Sky became one, they were able to pool their resources and hatch their plan for world domination. What people didn't envisage of course was that they would be allowed to gain exclusive rights to anything of any great significance, therefore putting the public in a pay-or-you-don't-see-it situation. Now, if you're going to make this work going forward, you need one hell of a starting point and football is the obvious choice but you still need an ace up your sleeve to tip the balance in your favour. We know Murdoch has been in bed with certain government figures for a long time now, so that doesn't stretch the imagination too far. He's been playing 'you scratch my back, and I'll scratch yours' with our establishment since well before that time. With football secured, the money started rolling in and the monster was born, devouring all before it. Put in the highest bid with which your rivals cannot compete, and you've got it. The list of events that Sky have added to their portfolio over the years by this method all the while making them more powerful, is endless. Now we talk in BILLIONS. It makes me laugh when someone from the PL comes out after every auction and says that this is the bid which most suits our business model, our vision, best for grass roots etc etc blah, blah, when what they really mean is that they offered the most money - pure and simple. The fact that they've been able to get away with it is scandalous, regardless of any merits their rivals may have put forward, but we've all played our part in that, me included. Those of you who have cancelled your subscription, especially on the point of principle as well not wanting to be fleeced, you have my respect and I don't think I'm far from following suit. Could be time to fire up the radio.

  13. Hiccup

    Feb 20, 2015, 16:38 #67077

    Baddie, you've got it arse about face. The more money that TV ploughs in to the game, the more chance clubs can lower their ticket prices. There was an article on here the other day asking if the TV money would be passed on in price reductions. Let's put it this way, if Sky and BT pulled out tomorrow, all clubs would be towing the line that they need to raise ticket prices to survive without the TV revenue. Using your theory, are you saying the clubs would reduce prices if Sky ****ed off? I don't dispute TV has ruined the game in many aspects. Because arsenal can fill the stadium, they charge what they like. Nothing to do with TV revenue. Fans that are unhappy at being fleeced need to take their grievance up with the club. Sod all to do with Murdoch that Stan wants as much as he can get from match day fans.

  14. FinchleyN12

    Feb 20, 2015, 16:37 #67076

    Get a motorised satellite dish and watch the games on foreign channels, better than paying Sky a king's ransom and you get better reliability than internet streams.

  15. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Feb 20, 2015, 16:23 #67074

    Dunno about Sky, but how about BBC? They never miss a chance to show Man Utd in the Fa Cup. Presumably rating figures have something to do with that. Already this season the 3rd round, 4th round, 5th round and now the QF. WTF. Guess that's the magic of the cup for you.

  16. Seven Kings Gooner

    Feb 20, 2015, 16:13 #67073

    I think we are at the point now where Napoleon is walking on his hind legs and meeting the men from Sky. Unfortunately Boxer has long since gone to the knackers yard.

  17. Badarse

    Feb 20, 2015, 15:56 #67068

    Of course you are correct Hiccup. The Arsenal fired the gun, but the TV money gave them the gun, and to continue with the analogy, the subscribers supply the bullets. You, or anyone else, can select a point anywhere along this specific chain, point a finger and say, 'Guilty!'

  18. jeff wright

    Feb 20, 2015, 15:17 #67066

    This Orwellian quote is a very fitting one for the current regime at AFC ....... "Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past."................

  19. jjetplane

    Feb 20, 2015, 15:15 #67065

    Visions of Krishnamurti, or maybe Munthe, Lautremont. Whatever - they'd make a great midfield. Was that me hearing things earlier or was Le Prof being asked on Radio 5 of how he deals with humiliation on the field of play. Kinda surreal but what did he actually say? & dose he get paid to be fondly humilated in public now. Some bank accounts are equal but Uncle 'Joe' Wenga's ......

  20. A Cornish Gooner

    Feb 20, 2015, 15:03 #67063

    Sorry, that should have been 'All animals are intellectually equal, but some animals are more intellectually equal than others' Apologies.

  21. A Cornish Gooner

    Feb 20, 2015, 14:38 #67062

    All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others. Such irony.

  22. jeff wright

    Feb 20, 2015, 14:31 #67061

    I met a chap once who thought that 1984 was a book about The New Romantics .

  23. A Cornish Gooner

    Feb 20, 2015, 14:23 #67060

    SKG. You'll do!

  24. Ron

    Feb 20, 2015, 14:22 #67059

    Now, now jj. Mind yr place Sir. Comrade Badarse is here to 'help' you understand your errors and cure yr lack of vision. Rejoice in feeding off his omnipotence, omni competence and omnipresence. His is a unique 'type of brain' seemingly.

  25. Seven Kings Gooner

    Feb 20, 2015, 14:05 #67058

    Cornish Gooner : Two Legs are bad Comrade Boxer!

  26. jjetplane

    Feb 20, 2015, 13:55 #67057

    70337 'I am the Arsenal' ...... Say no more! ha ha ha ha! That is quite the most amusing post of the year chaps! Good old Karamazov.

  27. Hiccup

    Feb 20, 2015, 13:20 #67055

    Hi baddie. I stand by my point that match day going fans are not being ripped off by the TV companies. You've highlighted that TV pumps all the money in, and I don't disagree with that. So that begs the question why do arsenal need to fleece the fans? You've answered that by saying why should the club bother reducing prices and consider the fan as arsenal is a business. Therefore arsenal are fleecing the fans because they can. Fans can blame Sky for arsenal ripping them off if they like. No different to blaming refs for a defeat. Anything but the club or management.

  28. A Cornish Gooner

    Feb 20, 2015, 12:51 #67053

    Badarse Post 70603. I’m afraid you have, inadvertently, proved Ron’s point. Note to all plebs on this site. If you have either not read Animal Farm, or have read it and just thought it an interesting book about animals, then bugger off down the lane. We don’t want your sort on this site.

  29. Badarse

    Feb 20, 2015, 12:35 #67050

    Aftenoon Hiccup. I get your drift but believe it's an oversimplified take on matters. First came football. TV companies recognised a business opportunity and climbed aboard. With skilful manipulations they have created a Frankenstein monster, but a lucratively rewarding one. The clubs get their cut, a huge one, and regard that as their reward. Why reduce prices? Why consider the fan? They are businesses after all, and will only pay lip service to placate, unless a gun is pointed at their head. Legislation is the only hope, and a forlorn one at that. We are all linked, (Jon Donne reference Ron), as are business chains of connection. As you move further along any given chain the connection becomes more tenuous. As that occurs the level of responsibility-as perceived-diminishes. The guy who buys the TV subscription doesn't even consider his part in these machinations, he is so far down the chain he dismisses any personal involvement. We are all complicit, but in our own ways we still want to play the game. Who is responsible? Look in the mirror, it's you fella, and I wish you would stop what you are doing. We shall all be around your house tonight to slap your bare legs as a punishment, but we shall bring lots of sweets and toffees. Anyway I do think it boils down to convoluted involvements of different parties. I am unhappy that you and goonercolesyboy are at loggerheads, two of my favourite posters. I am organising a counselling session this evening, there will be drinks and custard pies in abundance. Remember when you go to war a point is all you score, whilst I give three points for a direct hit with a pie in the mush. Good old Arsenal.

  30. Ron

    Feb 20, 2015, 12:07 #67049

    Keep digging Badarse. Call me as you will, it matters not but sadly for you im far from the only one who posts whos see's you in similar terms and tells you.Read yr post back fella. What a load of tripe for a board like this.

  31. HowardL

    Feb 20, 2015, 11:11 #67047

    Excellent article Robert - I think football is walking a tightrope and much more of this and the House of Cards could collapse. A Cup QF against Man U at OT used to be really appealing, but 7.45 KO on a Monday evening, with no trains back after the game and work the following day is a complete non-starter. Had I known those details in time I could have added them to my own Gooner article on how ridiculous this has all become ... OK file under unashamed self promotion, if you must ....

  32. jeff wright

    Feb 20, 2015, 11:08 #67046

    Tony pepe , what a load of old bollocks what you do is to get behind Arsene whatever. Your contantly changing names doesn't hide this fact. Why not just call yourself Dick Head and be done with it. With all the other AKB's about you won't be in a club of one... on Tuesday's Wednesday's,Thursday's ,Friday's ... ...

  33. Seven Kings Gooner

    Feb 20, 2015, 11:00 #67045

    Great Post Robert, the money involved in football now is beyond believe, the £5 billion Sky are paying would keep Trident operational for 2 years. It would also give 24/7 around the clock care for over 200,000 elderly people for a whole year. I never have subscribed to SKY and never will, the idea of my hard earned money paying for some footballer's subterranean disco or his shark skin finished kitchen makes me both laugh & cry in equal measure.

  34. Badarse

    Feb 20, 2015, 10:58 #67044

    Oh dear Ron. What a frightened and rude man you are. I did try to explain without hurting your ego, but you went straight into 'bluster mode'. Why the insults? It shows a weakness of argument and understanding, one of your acolytes should blow that in your ear sometime, though as you have a fixed agenda written in stone you would ignore that too, methinks. As they say a leopard cannot change it's spots, though it should be 'dinosaur' in this case. I thought of the author listing, how it could be misconstrued and seized upon maliciously by certain individuals, then I decided my back was broad enough to take the flak, and without it you would not have any relevant references from my post. Effectively I went out on a limb for you as a gesture, you took that old saw and began cutting the tree. How sad, metaphorically speaking I just stepped onto another branch. I know how clever I am; most children, pretty much all kids are amazingly wondrous pieces of blotting paper, they could absorb so much given the right help and social considerations, (Power to the People includes them too), I am so fortunate. I had magnificent teachers, and my type of brain feeds off information-I crave facts, and enjoy mental gymnastics. That's all. It is just who I am, neither the brightest, nor the dullest. Tripping out achievements is boorish, explaining what makes an individual tick is giving information as a way of encouraging understanding, and forging links. I have mooted this question before, what constitutes an intellectual? You have levelled a claim at my door before that I am 'trying to appear one'. Can you try to come away from Neanderthal thinking for a while and please recognise that there is not an apex with a small band of intellectuals at that summit, whilst below a greater number are scrambling to 'appear' as one. It is a deep and undulating spectrum of knowledge gleaned and interpretation of those bare facts, then their implementation which determines the regard for anyone's intellectual capacity. (I was astonished once that someone I knew had read 'Animal Farm' and just thought it an interesting book about animals-I couldn't explain or help them either). I'm somewhere in there and as stated always want to do those mental 'star jumps'. Don't feel threatened, celebrate everything you might learn from someone, even your perceived enemies. Good old Arsenal.

  35. goonercolesyboy

    Feb 20, 2015, 10:54 #67043

    Hiccup. The amount of money in the game is solely due to the television companies. Or can't you work that out for yourself? Simples.

  36. AMG

    Feb 20, 2015, 8:18 #67038

    I agree with others that the book sounds great, please can you post a non-amazon link, if one exists? I've read similar sounding things by that there George Monbiot of the Guardian, but would be interested to hear what you have to say - Best (non-editorial) contributor to the Gooner by a long way, IMO! Incidentally I really enjoyed a film I watched recently, which I would recommend to any football fan, the class of 92. I know it's about Manchester United players, but they were born of the era before football was ruined and with the exception of that daft git from East London, all were very refreshing honest lads, motivated only by their love for the game and their natural competitiveness. I know a lot of local lads in Greater Manchester and these guys are held up as local heroes and rightly so. I'll go wash my mouth out now - For balance, it could be said that the lot of them were partly responsible for turning football into what it's become, especially Becks.

  37. Hiccup

    Feb 20, 2015, 6:39 #67037

    It's difficult to tell whether coldsore boy is still p!ssed or sober with that last rambling? Probably more intoxicated than usual as he's forgot to call someone a c**t. It's all rather simple, just like you. It's the club ripping the fans off that go to games with its extortionate prices, not Sky. The fact that Sky can move kick offs around doesn't mean that the club has to rip its fans off. For ****s sake you waste of space, sober up.

  38. goonercolesyboy

    Feb 19, 2015, 23:05 #67036

    So we deduce that those that go to the games are being shafted by those that choose to watch the matches on their tv on mute while drinking beer, as the general consensus is that the TV companies are fleecing the fans and can make the kick offs anytime that suits them, sky BT and the bbc included.

  39. Tony pepe

    Feb 19, 2015, 22:44 #67035

    stand back, take a beep breath and listen and think jjetplane. It's boring being you, it's boring hating Arsenal, it's boring being boring. Stick to your ninth tier football, we can stick to our league. Idiots fester, fanatics prosper. Arsenal is what we do.

  40. Ron

    Feb 19, 2015, 22:34 #67034

    I know you've a high opinion of y'self Badarse but no, you never featured in my thinking. Im fairly sure the authors you've just trotted out have been taken down from quite a number of others posters book shelves too. Thankfully, they don't choose to reference them to a footie site in a vain and futile attempy to appear the intellectual. Yr comment on JJ is an odd one. Quite a few of us on here see some non league and would empathize with his take on it. Quite a few of us im sure have played the game to some sort of decent level too, so yr posturing isn't really adding much at all to whats being said. You never miss a beat getting the knife into him for some reason though do you. I suspect its because hes got yr number though. Have you always been so far up your own rec tum?

  41. Badarse

    Feb 19, 2015, 22:01 #67032

    Gaz, it's all about perceptions. My Dad was a League man from Yorkshire, and had no time for union rules. I imagine him and his like, snorting at your post, though he wouldn't be unkind. He did think perhaps it was, all that you say it isn't. His view was perhaps as narrow? Ron I assume you refer to me as one identified. However I think you let things run away from you. I recognise the scabby side of life, which includes upper echelon football-increasingly so. I also knew at an early age that money could damage, if allowed unbridled control. My teachers were naturally my Dad, who switched me onto other masters of the pen, like Orwell, Dostoyevsky, Steinbeck, London et al. I consumed much of the written word and found so many common threads from these icons. Dawkins, Christopher Hutchings, A.C.Grayling and Mark Thomas all tell a similar tale in more modern lingo. The jj lower league stuff is a red herring. Haven't you spotted that? I follow my grandson's team, every training session, match, social evening. Liberating? Not at all. I have the freedom to watch the Arsenal, his game, or go to the pictures. It's just a choice of how I spend my time. There are no honours involved, no need to lionise, either myself or others. A self-confessed anti-Arsenal man deserves respect for his choice, no more than that though. It is a decision which suits, no one person is bathed in light, nor showered with wisdom. So no moral high ground attained. I share your dislike of Sky, as oft stated; I alluded to it in an earlier post, but for your reasons and I believe Robert's-which may be slightly different to your ones alone. No idealised eggs to protect, and words of advice, dishonesty shows itself everywhere-even in lower league football, why even in my grandson's league, surprise, surprise. Then I knew that a long time ago too.

  42. Gaz

    Feb 19, 2015, 21:25 #67031

    Must admit I enjoy watching international Rugby more and more nowadays. No cheating, no whinging, no feining injury. No poncy gloves or snoods, get paid a fraction of what the likes of Adebayor get and show the utmost respect for the officials. No doubt in 20 odd years it'll go the same way as football but for now there's an honesty about the game that football can now only dream about...

  43. Badarse

    Feb 19, 2015, 21:15 #67030

    Excellently scripted and informative article, thank you Robert. Liked the dismissive comment regarding Murdoch-me neither buddy. Have my twenty first birthday coming up, (shared with the Flaminal), and have just mentioned book to the wife; title is mouth-watering.

  44. Ron

    Feb 19, 2015, 21:01 #67029

    jj and Gaz - youve both said it all for me. I remain with a base enjoyment of what football is and should be. Ive too team loyalty out of it. Here i am at this time in life and only a few yrs back did the penny drop for me about what my late Dad used to preach on about all those yrs ago when he used to say ' lad, youve no game without the other team' and 'when they beat you, credit due' and all stuff like this. He used to say 'money was killing football' back in the 70s. I used to think he was off his rocker but he was right all along. Ive salvaged whats left of my enjoyment by opening my mind to the other Clubs now and what they do. The bottom end of the PL for instance is far more enjoyable for me now than that oh so predictable procession at the other end. A great many of the lads on here who get all humpy about those of us who dare flag up the scabby sides of football and the dis likable side of AFC and its staff , its bullshine etc etc are scared of the reality of what footballs become in the main and dont like to read it or hear of it. They wont look it in the face, still preferring to protect their idealized egg in the form of AFC and all it means to them. I reckon we ve all been there, but its very liberating to leave it behind and consign it history. As you often say JJ, a bit of lower league and non league still serve to impart a bit oh honesty into the game where theres none at the very top. Its a great shame and i feel for the youngsters just starting out as footie fans.

  45. RedPig

    Feb 19, 2015, 21:01 #67028

    Gaz & Exiled - Very much agree with both of your posts as well as a few others. And I would happily have bought the book direct from Robert but the link at the bottom of the article too me to Amazon.

  46. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 19, 2015, 18:45 #67022

    TJ, it's not good for your eyes (among other things)to be looking at Arsenal for long peroids either.

  47. exiled&dangerous

    Feb 19, 2015, 18:16 #67020

    Interesting comparison between the music publishing industry (where hard-working, raw, edgy, talented, innovative young bands get hoovered up and hyped up and dumped out the window at the first opportunity - and by talented I mean real musicians not that Simon Cowell bull****) and football (where they get paid ****loads for being mediocre). Rd Pig - why not buy the book direct from Robert, it might be a quid or two more but the author will be getting your money not some tax-dodging, employee-abusing corporation...... oops, getting on my soapbox there.

  48. jjetplane

    Feb 19, 2015, 18:14 #67019

    Know how you feel GAZ and it ain't just Arsenal though in their soft-impact world they stand out as purveyors of the new, sleek banality. Gave up watching the box years ago and only use it for watching DVDs now and again though more often than not just use the lap top for everything. Love to watch my sport live so I watch my local team at 6 quid admission and enjoy it immensely. Hate streaming and all that because am a stickler for quality having worked in quality control in the past on related products. Been listening to matches on the radio for years but it's like wallpaper in the background as I get on with other things. I find it even difficult bothering with highlights or even match reports for the PL. I would have to go back to 2007 or thereabouts to when I was still following Arsenal results with a passion. At the time I was in Kansas lapping up college sports! And what atmospheres! Watching non league is a bit like the old way and I often chat with the players and stuff and really do not miss this new souless experience.

  49. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 19, 2015, 18:04 #67018

    WABATTD, forgot about Lidl mate, a 10 pack of Finkbrau £3.99 (worth a try) smaller bottles but still strong, and great value just enough to last ninety minutes.

  50. Gaz

    Feb 19, 2015, 17:47 #67016

    I'm sadly at the stage now where I'm not even sure Wenger leaving will improve my passion for the game as there are so many things about it that I hate. Ridiculous salaries for average players that are only going to increase, fans being treated like twats all the time, Clubs lying through their teeth, and fans not admitting any of it's a problem! I'm finding myself listening to Talksport less and less, watch less football on TV than I've ever done, and find watching Arsenal a chore when it should be the highlight of my week! Maybe its my age, maybe it my job (which is kind of difficult at the moment) but my big fear is that I just dont like or recognise a game I used to love...

  51. Hiccup

    Feb 19, 2015, 17:41 #67014

    Great article Robert. Amazed at the age structures going to games but when you think about it, hardly surprising. With Sky now dabbling in F1 and as Red member says the the Open golf now, it's not just football fans losing out. What next? Wimbledon? The World Snooker Championships? Countdown? I see on here there are those that won't pay for it. With BT now in the mix, there are those that will pay for one but not the other. Can certainly understand why fans are turning away from both going to matches and subscribing. It's becoming one big turn off.

  52. Red Member

    Feb 19, 2015, 15:37 #67006

    I watch all Arsenal games either live or on SKY/BT at the pub. I appreciate a lot of pubs are either closing or getting rid of SKY so it is important to be in an area with decent pubs! Other games I am not too bothered in - will watch the odd CL and FA game on the BBC/ITV. For the rare occasions that I can't watch live or on TV then a stream will suffice such as the game this coming Saturday at Crystal Palace. Never ever seen the need to buy SKY for the football. It is the other sports that they keep buying up that bothers me more. Very disappointed that the Open Golf has now gone onto SKY. Still not buying it though - golf just wont exist for me now. I pity that sport in a few years time if others think similar.

  53. chris dee

    Feb 19, 2015, 15:13 #67005

    I just wish the BBC would add £20 to the licence fee which would still generate billions for the clubs and would allow football to be viewed by everyone. I realise not every household likes football but I'm sure someone in most households likes Rugby,Cricket,Golf,Darts etc and would be willing to pay a bit extra. As long as they didn't show W W F!

  54. Smithy

    Feb 19, 2015, 15:13 #67004

    Really good article. I do not have sky or BT and get up to the emirates a couple times a year if I am lucky . It does not make me any better or worse an arsenal fan than anyone else. Football is in danger of totally alienating those who love it. Each fan finds a way of getting access to arsenal and you can't blame them for that. All I would say is don't fall out of love for the game totally - try and catch arsenal however you can within your means and if you can get down to your local club and follow a team where money has not created a divide between players and fans. I watch step 9 every home game and am told by the older heads that this is what league football was like many years ago

  55. RedPig

    Feb 19, 2015, 15:07 #67002

    That is a really interesting and informative article Robert, thank you. I enjoyed it so much I will be ordering your book from Amazon :)

  56. Ron

    Feb 19, 2015, 14:58 #67000

    Im with Tony. Though I nearly always are with him! Cant abide Murdock and his family of miscreants and to be honest i cant stand the PL 'suits' either. SKY is one of those things that once it went i wondered why id ever bothered with it. Its just a scripted, predictable hype machine that doubles up as the PLs marketing device and id sooner not comment on the people it chooses as its 'experts'as this post would just end up as a block of mass asterisks if i did. Im as proud not to have it as i am not to be paying cash to AFC. Such away fixtures as i do are often freebies or half price jobs paid to whoever bought the ticket. It does me now. AFC 'died'for me quite some years back. Still love football as a sport and feel liberated in being able to appreciate many other teams and not being anymore 'obliged' to dislike or condemn them. If its not on the BEEB or the ITV then its not missed by me at all. A bit of non league here and there comes in handy and is always a decent afternoon out for about £13 - £14 and the price of a pint as well. The honesty of its is refreshing. Try it lads, as JJ keeps urging you to!

  57. Tony Evans

    Feb 19, 2015, 14:53 #66999

    Bob M - With you all the way re your feelings towards Sky. The new 5 billion Sky / BT football stitch up might be good news for Stan and co but for the average supporter it stinks. Football will be the loser in the long run though as more and more people become disenchanted with the whole money grabbing lot of them. Will take a while but the short term greed which now persists will, in the longer term as each new generation switches their attention to other more affordable past-times and interests, destroy the fan base completely.

  58. Bob Matthews

    Feb 19, 2015, 14:25 #66998

    Good work Robert, very interesting. I made the choice between keeping my season ticket or cancelling Sky as i could not justify the cost of both. My season ticket won and i have not subscribed now for 3 seasons. Dont miss it at all, realised i only ever watched the Arsenal away games when televised, now catch them at my local.I have grown to hate Sky with a passion and i resent that they have taken the opportunity away from people who cant afford the subscription fees to be able to watch not only football but other top sporting events.

  59. Tony Evans

    Feb 19, 2015, 13:52 #66997

    Very well researched article as usual, Robert, which made for an interesting read. I have long since abandoned any subscription based TV football and instead listen to the radio commentary. OK I know it's virtually guaranteed to bring on a heart attack when the commentators voice rises an octave or 3 and the ball is in the vicinity of the Arsenal goal, but as I am not the uber-committed fan I once was I can cope with that much better now.

  60. TJ

    Feb 19, 2015, 13:14 #66995

    Firstly, this is an interesting article that uses some interesting links too so thanks for submitting it. If it works for others then that's good, but personally, having used live streams for a while, I decided I could never stomach them again. Firstly, the analogy isn't quite right between CD to MP3s- how many MP3s tracks repeatedly buffer? Even better internet connection isn't a solution: people I know who have used live streams who also have perfect connection face continuous buffering- it really ruins the immersion. Additionally, in an age where we look at screens the whole time, it's not good for your eyes to be looking at such blurry images for long periods! I agree that we need a way to proliferate the viewing of football though. You shouldn't have to pay Sky ludicrous sums just to watch these matches.

  61. Jairo A Jaramillo

    Feb 19, 2015, 13:07 #66994

    Brilliant article that raises some really interesting questions. However, I reckon these telecoms gians will win in the end because after all, Sky and BT own and operate huge broadband providing operations and may well begin to charge more money for the high bandwidth services required to really make illegal HD streaming viable. It's a case of 'If they don't get you one way, they'll get you the other'.

  62. AMG

    Feb 19, 2015, 13:00 #66992

    Great piece. I'm glad I cancelled my sky subscription a few years ago now. I only had a monthly sky sports package, but paying £35 a month to maybe see your team play once was farcical really - Then there's the principal of giving even 1 pence to Murdoch. Football should be free to all those who aren't able to attend the games. If it was, the player wages would have to fall as a result (they get paid far too much anyway to do something most of us pay to), the ticket prices would have to drop to get people off the sofa, TV pubs could become more reasonably priced, the England football team would improve as a result of increased repatriation of foreign players, youth obesity would drop as more youngster would be inspired by that which they've been priced out of. I can see only positives for making football free to watch on TV, but then I don't stand to gain anything by ripping punters off unlike the broadcasters, the political elite, the press etc etc.

  63. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Feb 19, 2015, 12:57 #66991

    Football, the new rock and roll. I've seen that lazy acronym used for lots of other things: Food, the new rock and roll, Cricket, the new rock and roll, even rock and roll is the new rock and roll. White is the new black. Purple is the new black. Orange is the new black. Black is the new black. Blah blah blah. But yep, like Maguiresbridge says, you can't beat getting mildly tanked-up on decent 99p bottles of ale (from Aldi or Lidl)on a Sunday afternoon whilst watching the footy, laughing at some inane comment from one of the legions of washed-up couldn't-cut-the-mustard ex pros.

  64. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 19, 2015, 12:01 #66987

    Thankfully a lot of us no longer allow ourselves to be fleeced and milked by the club (although a lot still love the feeling)15 bottles of Carlsberg for £8 from Asda sitting in front of the fire and the Luxury to hit the mute button when ever an old past it smirking manager with a grin like a Cheshire cat pops up on the screen to talk crap.