Oh well, the money’s always nice to have in the bank

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Oh well, the money’s always nice to have in the bank


An important win was registered against Everton yesterday, in the sense of continuing what has become something of a cyclical experience for Arsenal fans. Team gets eliminated from Champions League in their first knockout tie, makes top four in Premier League, gets back in Champions League, go again.

However, some variety this season. As opposed to being beaten eliminated by a bad draw against a top side, this season, the Gunners were not the underdogs in their last 16 tie. Sure, technically, they aren’t eliminated yet, but Monaco entertained PSG last night and the game ended goalless. Even if Arsenal were to score, are they going to get three in the principality? Without conceding? It’s within the realms of possibility, but the chances are about one in 33 according to the stats people. A long shot.

Anyway, to matters on the pitch yesterday. Two below par performances from two teams, although Everton’s struggles this season, with the burden of a Europa League run, give comfort to those who caution that Arsenal could do a lot worse than the consistent outcomes achieved in recent years.

Roberto Martinez’ defence was well-organised, and limited the chances the home side enjoyed. Olivier Giroud was given the opportunity to put wrongs right after being hauled off against Monaco, and although he could have had a hat-trick, will have been content with scoring the key goal in the match, a well taken volley from Mesut Ozil’s corner.

A more significant inclusion was Gabriel in place of Per Mertesacker. Competition for places in all areas of the team is important, and this luxury was not available for the first half of the season due to the inability to sign a replacement for Thomas Vermaelen. The defender will need to play a few games before we can draw any solid conclusions, but the signs were encouraging. There were a couple of dodgy moments, not dealing with the ball in the first half that allowed Lukaku a great chance to score, and a suicidal pass to Koscielny in the second. Yet there were also some fine moments, principally the tackle on Lukaku when the game was goalless, which has been rightly highlighted.

Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain started in place of Danny Welbeck, although it looks as if he will need more matchtime to get into his groove. Overall, there weren’t too many outstanding performances, although Bellerin, Coquelin and Ospina stood out.

It’s interesting to see Kieran Gibbs being given a run in the side after his return from injury. Nacho Monreal seemed to be doing ok, certainly defensively, and although one cannot say the lack of defensive nous against Monaco might have been any different with Monreal in the side, there is an argument to play a more naturally cautious defender in European ties. Granted, Gibbs does get forward a lot to help in attack, but in truth, he is rarely effective when he is on the ball. Like many positions in the team, the left back is one where the incumbent in the Invincibles line-up has never really been replaced. You do this either through good scouting or spending money wisely. Two areas that Arsenal have not excelled in since the stadium move, especially when wages are taken into account where the latter is concerned.

I did not check the stories in the papers and online before the match, although was informed of a story in the Daily Mail that indicated Josh Kroenke was unhappy with Arsene Wenger and wanted Thierry Henry to take over as Arsenal’s first team coach. Apparently, both he and his father left the stadium “seething” after Wednesday’s defeat. Any trace of the story had been removed from the Daily Mail website (if it was even on there, it might have only been in the print version for all I know), although the ‘Metro’ relaying of it had left an electronic footprint (on the Newsnow aggregator), even though that, also, had been removed. One imagines the club’s press office had been at work to quash the story, and frankly, its credibility is highly questionable in the first place. Who, from the Kroenkes, is going to brief the UK media? I can believe they would not have been happy after the Monaco game, certainly, but Thierry Henry?

However, it did give a brief glimmer of hope that, just possibly, there might be something in young Josh that does not view repeated Champions League exits at the first sign of things getting serious as the qualified success some seem to regard it as. Time will tell. Whether or not Josh will be pulling the strings before Arsene Wenger’s time in the dugout comes to an end is one we will have to wait on.

In the Premier League anyway, things look set fair for a battle between five sides for the last two Champions League places, assuming Manchester City get their act together and finish the season with some element of consistency after they are (one imagines) eliminated by Barcelona. Southampton are starting to show signs of fading, although Liverpool, on the contrary, have picked up, and if Daniel Sturridge plays most of the matches between now and the season’s end, they will be a threat. Going out of the Europa League on penalties to Besiktas was by no means the worst thing that could have happened to them.

As for Manchester United, who knows? The suspicion is they will pick up enough points at Old Trafford to make the top four. Tottenham have no distractions between now and the season’s end and can focus on winning points. One assumes they will still drop too many cheap points, but any of the teams in the mix have proven well capable of that. As for Arsenal, who knows what kind of team we will see in the FA Cup quarter final. Wenger has sacrificed this competition before in terms of team selection, preferring to focus on more financially rewarding priorities. Ever the economist. He might see continued participation in the FA Cup as compromising the chances of finishing in the top four, and he will probably believe his team has a chance of winning 3-0 in Monaco. It’s good of the club to lay on subsidized travel to the thousands making the trip, but it might be a long old return trip down the M6 and M1.

More immediately, Queens Park Rangers on Wednesday. One hopes to see a little more zip in Arsenal’s play against a very beatable Rangers’ side. As for yesterday, a case of job done in a game that won’t live too long in the memory. Tomas Rosicky’s introduction led to the goal that avoided a repeat of last season’s late equalizer, calmed nerves and an important three points after the wheels had come off in midweek.

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  1. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 05, 2015, 15:29 #68062

    Badarse, you used the term 'site', as in this website. 30-40% of contributions do not make the 'site'. The failing was yours and is a factual one; you used an incorrect and provocative term and when correctly picked up on it you slipped and slide around until finally FPGooner managed a part-admission of your error out of you. Finally, this is a public forum. If you comment, you can expect others to comment on your comment - indeed, you do this as much if not more than anyone. FPGooner is correct to use the term 'judge' - you do it constantly. Yet when you do it, it's apparently 'fun' yet when others do it's 'hostile', anti-Arsenal and due to mental defects - really light-hearted, 'fun' accusations, I must say. This is what's known as double standards. Another example would be your regular talk of 'leaders' and 'sycophants' when others agree or show support. Again, it seems this is not applicable when you show such support to the likes of Westlower. There really is no difference - except in your mind. It is you that needs to step back and examine your own modus operandi and 'glitches'.

  2. Badarse

    Mar 05, 2015, 12:01 #68044

    Sorry it needed spelling out in block capitals for you E/G-your failing, not mine. I would add, because you seem to miss points-either because you have that glitch, or are purposely obtuse-that if a few individuals' posts account for perhaps 30-40% of the total it means that despite not being a large number of posters their sum contributions are. Glad I got that cleared up! I did hear panting, and the whoosh of a tail, so did expect your 'picky' post. My suggestion to FPGooner to is for you to examine yourself too. Thanks goonercolesyboy, despite being more than capable of standing alone for a principle I am reassured by others on occasions. Good old Arsenal.

  3. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 05, 2015, 10:06 #68027

    So 'anti-AFC site' doesn't actually mean the site itself, nor its contributors, but just a few of those that comment. Glad that's cleared up. Bit of an unfortunate phrase, wasn't it? FPGooner, you were right to pick him up on it and got him to clarify. Shame he didn't do it earlier.

  4. goonercolesyboy

    Mar 05, 2015, 9:57 #68026

    Here, here Badarse, some common sense, well delivered.

  5. Badarse

    Mar 05, 2015, 9:28 #68024

    FPGooner, I don't want to fall out with you-I have already exceeded my monthly quota. When I said anti-Arsenal it was a 'throw away'. Sometimes when I throw things away they hit unintended targets, it's careless of me. My allusion to the site had no reflections on editor or staff-I am on record as a big supporter. It also had no connections with most who are genuine fans with an alternative view to my own, and one in part I may share, but certainly respect. It was directed at a clique of individuals who for their own best reasons slag off most things Arsenal. The manager-often in derisory and insulting terms, the players as 'carthorses' etc, ex-icons like Henri, the staff like Bouldy, the stadium, the people who attend, like JCLs and tourists, the board, the atmosphere, the medical staff and record, the style of play, the current players physique i.e. lightweight, pansies, journeymen etc, our objectives, a cup final victory, wishing we lost games to achieve any personal targets, and cannot celebrate any run of the mill victory without heaps of negativity. Then those openly admitting they never go, will never go, and have a foot trapped in the past. Then those systematically denigrating those seen as supporters of anything they have their hooks into. I think that roughly covers it, though am certain I have overlooked a few things. The culprits, if that isn't a shared raison d'etre, know who they are, as do others who contribute to this site, if they see nowt wrong in my little explanation they are clearly in accord with those I criticise, which would only serve to strengthen my label of this site, if not then they should also search deep and find a voice and at least distance themselves from these negative rants. Wouldn't you agree? An individual who can post because they find exception to this site being called anti-Arsenal, whilst sanctioning the things mentioned isn't quite the stalwart fan they perhaps think they are. Then again sometimes a post is just used as a vehicle to attack another that they see as on the other side. Where do you stand FPGooner? I don't seek an answer, the question is rhetorical, but you might ask yourself.

  6. Wengerballs

    Mar 05, 2015, 6:39 #68021

    Superb as always Kevin. "Ever the economist" - perfectly sums up Wenger's last 10 seasons in three words. An economist in a track-suit. That will be his Arsenal epitaph.

  7. FPGooner

    Mar 04, 2015, 23:58 #68015

    Badarse, I take exception to your view that stating Wenger needs to be replaced, is anti-AFC. Not sure exactly what your issues are; perhaps you want to be seen as some sort of leader on here or some sort of supreme adjudicator or judge while 'mere mortals' put forward their lowly views. But as hard as you try to put across this ridiculous view that you are some pseudo-intellectual blessed with a unique vision and undeniable wisdom, you then put forward a POV that is as trite, banal and lacking in any form of wisdom as equating anti-Arsene as Anti-Arsenal. Attempting to quell dissent happens at the Emirates now and has been used by other unpopular regimes. Like the others, this regime at AFC will go at some stage. Will you follow the regime or will you support AFC? Do you see how you could be labelled anti-AFC for your unflinching support for Wenger and Kroenke's regime?

  8. Ron

    Mar 04, 2015, 19:43 #68001

    jj - you keep mentioning Herr Klopp mate. Be mindful of the frailties of the aged matey. Westie has been creaming over Klopps turmoil all season with as much vigour and pathological detest and contempt for him as he shows Mourinho. You ll be giving the old lad heart murmurs if he checks Klopps return out!! ha. You have to be mindful that the slightest chink in these guys apparent grip on success = another handle to tenuously grasp on to in support of the Wenger is irreplaceable chorus they sing.

  9. jjetplane

    Mar 04, 2015, 19:29 #67998

    Last Days my little post impressionistic friend ..... See Gus Van Sant. ps Klopp is back!

  10. Badarse

    Mar 04, 2015, 19:16 #67997

    Did Cobain say that jj, just before he went somewhere else, or immediately after he left? Or was he in the process of leaving and this was akin to a farewell? Then again had he just returned from somewhere and said this before he left again? It's all very vague, as is your blunt point, but whatever he said, and whenever he said it he ain't here now and quite definitely ain't coming back!

  11. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 04, 2015, 18:58 #67996

    jj, it's life Jim but not as we know it.

  12. jjetplane

    Mar 04, 2015, 18:32 #67994

    It's pathological. We understand. Negativity is a big one here as I imagine my spending on attending FOOTBALL kinda puts your trip to see SANOGO in perspective. If every AFC lapdog behaved like you the WOK really would be a dust/sand/grass bowl .... Nevermind as Cobain once said - it really is about who is where and I am still there, stronger and happier.

  13. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 04, 2015, 15:32 #67985

    So now the first stone was cast over a year ago. Took you a few hours to come up with that one. Now any individual exchange can never be analysed in its own right - good, evasive thinking. I think your modus operandi has been pretty well nailed down, Badarse. Ozzie has you right. jj is probably right as well that you're a good guy behind all the flannel. I'm not getting involved in these sorts of exchanges anymore.

  14. Badarse

    Mar 04, 2015, 14:18 #67978

    Whoosh! What was that? Another point flying miles over the head of E/G. Here's some advice, try standing on tip toes. The first stone was hurled over a year ago and are still flying around. A POV that this site is an anti-AFC site is just that buddy, a POV. Nothing to do with our esteemed editor, just the impression many posters give. You personalise it because it's you who is always looking for a dust up-must be that glitch again. The stick-poking, reaction, and all that goes with it, is a tried and trusted routine, not this specific case, though it fits. Can you not grasp that this is a fun thing? I am not seeking to refute, or engage in hostilities with you or anyone else, you just feed off that and I would deny you that sustenance on the grounds of your health. Heroic? No one can be heroic behind a keyboard, especially someone like me who cannot even drive the thing. You and clots who say these things are just being provocative. I make statements and these are just POVs you want to turn them on their head as a conflict, others your side of the fence want to spoil or castigate. Then the stick-poking begins if someone is rude or insulting to me. Get this, jj says 'I don't like AFC, I never go, it's this or that, (all negative) and no one that side of the fence makes a peep, cowardly, or what? Anyone with a penchant for being a bit gobby, like myself gets the treatment, the full weight of indignation and lecturing poured down upon him. It is very predictable E/G, just as this exchange is. I say I love AFC, even I love AW, so what? Just opinions, POVs? Why the angst? Why the need to insult? Why the gauntlet throwing? It's childlike. Get used to the response. You don't have to spring to attention salivating, with tongue hanging out because I have posted, 'Here boy, fetch!'

  15. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 04, 2015, 13:30 #67975

    Lads, better to ignore than encourage, it might have a better effect?

  16. jjetplane

    Mar 04, 2015, 10:58 #67963

    Quisling, Herbert, sycophant. Coming from BADDIE it's really quite darkly amusing. Think you have lost your 'mojo' a bit because it would appear dem other AKBs are not for 'standing shoulder to shoulder' with you but may indeed feel a mite embarrassed with your persistent clamour to be an entertaining voice on here. RON I must say has really hit the absolute nail there and so as OZZIE and EG. It really isn't about Arsenal for you but really all 'about BADDIE.' For 'I am the Arsenal' read 'I once was Baddie.' Under all that you are a sweet old chap I guess, but really - try and enjoy the medium and stop doing a Ballotelli .... Peace man.

  17. Ron

    Mar 04, 2015, 10:33 #67960

    You bring to mind Sir Thomas More Badarse. He used a set of false and manufactured ethics and presented them as a set of beliefs to his oppressors, that he didn't truly hold but stuck with them as a means of attacking those with whom he had a personal axe to grind so to advance his own agenda. As with you, his fraudulent persona didn't wash with anybody and rightly or wrongly he met his demise. Many posters on here have brought you to heel and as far as the 'gloves being removed' are concerned,its a mutual sentiment. In my view, you re the most disrespectful poster on here in the face of others views, yet relish making that charge towards others in the usual abstract and hypocritical manner. Youre fooling nobody but yself.

  18. Ozzie

    Mar 04, 2015, 10:14 #67954

    "Until we have seen someone's darkness we don't really know who they are. Until we have forgiven someone's darkness, we don't really know what Love is." Marianne Williamson.

  19. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 04, 2015, 10:06 #67953

    Badarse, the first stone in this instance was cast by yourself with "this anti-AFC site". You now seem to be saying this was a deliberate "poking with the stick" and are now "satisfied" you've achieved a "reaction". That's rather pathetic for a grown man, isn't it. And I don't see you refuting a single point made as part of that reaction: "..generally in an unfair way" really doesn't do it. So you've 1) Looked to provoke a reaction for some attention 2) Garnered a reaction which you cannot / refuse to refute in any detail 3) Pronounce yourself satisfied at gaining said reaction as it confirms your beliefs 4) Proclaimed yourself the heroic fighter of the good fight. All par for the Badarse course.

  20. goonercolesyboy

    Mar 04, 2015, 9:08 #67948

    Exeter, so what is the point of repeating the same old same old then? Deaf ears my friend. it isn't an arguement more a difference of opinion. And apart from getting it off your chest, it achieves nothing. So we go back and forth. The other article is exactly that, repetitive and worthless.

  21. Badarse

    Mar 04, 2015, 8:43 #67944

    Ozzie, I am a creature of habit, like most. I realised long ago that having independent thoughts, and the courage to speak them usually resulted in a specific reaction. The perceived leader felt threatened and attacked, generally in an unfair way, the quislings and sycophants ran to give unmitigated support-all par for the course on this website. The herd instinct is very strong when a different voice is heard. I never cast the first stone, and always give second chances, then there is no way back, I look for a rock-then those lines are drawn in the sand.When I identify these 'herberts' and their Achilles heels I find it too difficult to resist 'poking with a stick'. It is oft misconstrued as naivety/stupidity. I prefer to think of it this way, you get a bloody nose in the ring, so you look to bloody the nose of your opponent, what else worse can happen to me, a bloodier nose? The satisfaction of returning the blow outweighs that. I am always generous of spirit, but people let me down-ring any bells? Then metaphorically speaking, the gloves come off. Got it?

  22. Ozzie

    Mar 04, 2015, 4:10 #67940

    "Kick me" in Eric Berne's book 'Games people play' Thesis: This is played by men whose social manner is equivalent to wearing a sign that reads "Please don't kick me." The temptation is almost irresistible, and when the natural result follows he cries, piteously, "but the sign says 'don't kick me." Then he adds incredulously, "Why does this always happen to me?" Greetings Baddie :)

  23. Badarse

    Mar 03, 2015, 21:13 #67932

    Moaning Minnies. The little ones are Mini Moaning Minnies. Really tiny ones are Eeny Meeny Miney Mini Moaning Minnies. Those named Mona are Mona Moaning Minnies, unless they are little, then they are Mini Mona Moaning Minnies. Of course that's fine unless they are really tiny, then they are Eeeny Meeny Miney Mona Mini Moaning Minnies. Then that's OK unless their name is Bob.

  24. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 03, 2015, 18:35 #67925

    goonercolesyboy, there's also nothing to be gained from continually posting 'there is nothing to be gained' - it's not stopping it, is it? At least some of the moaners come up with an argument. Those moaning about the moaners are just moaning. Jamerson, if you still don't get it, read the latest article.

  25. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 03, 2015, 18:15 #67924

    Ron, 71501, excellent post, it's the kind of post that i'm sure some of us have contemplated penning for a while now but just couldn't be bothered you've saved us that. Your spot on as is Exeter this has never been a debating site (although some would like it turned into one, to debate what God only knows, and have tried on more than one occasion )more of an opinions site where it has to be said all opinions are welcome (right or wrong)if some don't like those opinions two bad, again like you say i'm sure there's sites who just love a good debate about not only Arsenal but anything under the sun (that would certainly suit some)but of course even better if the specialist subject was the meticulous detail and structure of, and sweet smelling aroma emanating from arsene wengers Anus.

  26. jeff wright

    Mar 03, 2015, 17:50 #67923

    Jamerson when it comes to making wrong predictions you have no peer on here . One of your most recent ones was that you saw Arsene achieving European glory this season ... clunk!!#!$%! You started off this morning by claiming that there had not been any top strikers that Wenger could have signed then when I pointed out to you that he could have signed Suarz you then agreed that Suarez wanted to join us !! Jesus wept you couldn't make this up. Some say that you are a troll but I think it's a case of you just being stupid. Regarding RVP, well he has always been injury prone and inconsistent and only had one good season with us.United did not play hoof ball when Ferguson was in charge and that was when RVP won his Prem Title for which Sir Ferguson will still be having a chuckle over . Arsene had to provide a guard of honour for Persie when he returned to the Emirates in triumph with the medal that he had no hope of ever winning with Wenger safely tucked away wit seven games to spare . Our little losers chasing 4th spot with AVb's spuds looked rather dejected when they had to line up like defeated soldiers to clap him on field. Actually Jamerson with you blundering in with your Falcao nonsense I am now thinking that he might score the winner against us again as he did last summer at the Emirates with Monaco. That's football though ,football being of course something that you obviously struggle to understand.This is not so surprising really when you admit to being a big fan of Brian's posts !

  27. Badarse

    Mar 03, 2015, 17:13 #67917

    Hyenas, jackals, serpents, monkeys, we have a veritable menagerie-where's an ark when you need one? Hilarious. Keep up the fight goonercolesyboy, it's fun, despite what Ron thinks, ha ha. woof woof, neigh, oink oink.

  28. goonercolesyboy

    Mar 03, 2015, 17:07 #67916

    Exeter...not smug, nothing to rescind, just a view point on the constant bashing of Arsenal football club. There is nothing to gain from the same posting as no one at Arsenal listens to that. My opinion on the managerial change is that when it happens, either this year or in the next two years then Simeone would be my choice. A kind of George Graham and Wenger mix, sort out the defence and keep the attacking options. How's that for grey?

  29. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 03, 2015, 16:35 #67915

    goonercolesyboy, terms like 'anti-AFC' and in your case, 'anti-Arsenal' are very black and white, and look designed to invite the hyenas on. If they were intended just to annoy and then feel smug that outcome was achieved, then that's rather pathetic, isn't it. If they weren't and are now regretted, perhaps they should be rescinded.

  30. goonercolesyboy

    Mar 03, 2015, 16:21 #67914

    Avenell Road. Your statement was about having no intention of winning the league at the beginning of the season. There have only been 5 clubs to have won the premiership. We are one of those five and have ambitions of winning the league, Wenger doesn't have to say that and nor does anyone else. You then conveniently push the time forward to April and state the bleeding obvious about top four etc. I understand the frustration of not winning the league and just getting into the top four but there is never a time when a manager says he is going to win the league or the cup etc before the season has started. Badarse is trying to fend off the hyenas on here who continue to drive their negative posts to death and hope for a different response...it ain't happening, it's black or white with not a hint of grey.

  31. Ron

    Mar 03, 2015, 16:06 #67913

    Badarse - a poor try. You should really give it up and try taking a day off from what you are. If its easier for you to absorb though, read the post of 'crimewatch'. Hes summed you up to a tee. We know that youre not really 'laughing at the predictability of the responses'. You are actually quite disturbed about the truth of them, but doing your best to mask it. Stop punishing yourself you silly old fool and then perhaps ill stop laughing at you. You really aren't that clever are you fella.

  32. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 03, 2015, 15:35 #67911

    Badarse, perhaps you could point out specifically where I've gone wrong in my post? I'll ask again - if you call this site 'anti-AFC', what sort of responses are you expecting from those that make up said site?

  33. jjetplane

    Mar 03, 2015, 15:06 #67908

    But RON was at the WOK! When are you? Good old Arsene!

  34. Badarse

    Mar 03, 2015, 14:53 #67907

    Responses were laughably predictable, especially Ron's-who gets a hold of a post, wrings it's neck, shakes the life out of it, bites bits off it, spits them out, then tries to unravel it to try to read what it said. He cannot then make head nor tail of it, but undaunted he has a head of steam up so goes into overdrive pursuing his agenda, being that I don't understand, I am full of spite, spite, spite, and then proceeds to explain the meaning of life, (that one is there to court and provoke E/G-the other wasn't but the usual suspects all steamed in, yourself included, just as I expected. It's transparently obvious chum).

  35. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 03, 2015, 14:46 #67904

    Avenell Road, good post, yes like others we're all expected to just sit on our hands (like TOF himself he's good at that) like good little sheep/followers and say and do nothing and let him get on with it, and then judge him in May May May May May May.

  36. mark from aylesbury

    Mar 03, 2015, 14:12 #67902

    goonercolesyboy - Straight quote from Wenger. 9 Apr 2011 - Wenger – If we are second for next 20 years I'm happy! Alternative view point from Vince Lombardi There is no room for second place. There is only one place in my game and that is first place. I have finished second twice in my time at Green Bay and I never want to finish second again. Vince Lombardi I think we know where Wenger fits in the competitive world of sport. Certainly nothing to suggest any change of his view from 2011

  37. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 03, 2015, 14:12 #67901

    Ron, thanks for enlightening us what the atmosphere and noise at the Emirates is like at the minute, (although I'd imagine it didn't/doesn't come as much surprise to many of us) as we've been in no doubt it's been like that way for quite a while now although it's good to get confirmation from someone who was there. On top of that it was interesting to hear the pitch side reporters for BT sport remark how loud the music had gotten, I guess they know and see what's happening themselves thanks to TOF and they're trying to make up for it with loud music.

  38. Avenell Road

    Mar 03, 2015, 12:31 #67898

    An archive section tells us that we have been going round in circles with this for 6 years!!

  39. jjetplane

    Mar 03, 2015, 12:26 #67897

    Perhaps the archive section could introduce a BADARSE section so we can dip back more easily when he TELLS us to. It's not easy for a poor old WOB trying to remotely comprehend what is to all intents a veritable red and white universe. Maybe a JAMERsON one also only in cartoon format with him arriving at the Wok with his carrier bag full of French pop songs and a cheese sanwich. Just some ideas for moving proceedings along in both an entertaining and informative manner. Anyone think Giroud looks like Concorde. Maybe an aeronautical engineer type who can't be bothered with his WOK seat could elaborate. Again, diagrams please. Thanks.

  40. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 03, 2015, 11:58 #67896

    Badarse, if you call this an 'anti-AFC site' you're pretty much inviting responses that are negative and rude. Is this the intention? And is that really how you see Kevin Whitcher et al, 'anti-AFC'? You say the standard of debate is not high enough, but at the risk of being called one of his 'acolytes' Ron is right, it's not really a debating site, more 'post and go', people letting off steam etc. It will inevitably be disjointed, fragmented and repetitive. Besides that, you have told us the manager's position is not up for debate anyway so you've cut out a rather large area of potential debate. So I think your oft-repeated, parameterised prescription for this site will continue to go unfulfilled.

  41. Avenell Road

    Mar 03, 2015, 11:47 #67895

    goonercolesyboy - Well, does Wenger ever tell us what his ambitions are for the season? (he may do, so please tell me if he does). But when we come to this time of year when we are usually well and truly out of contention for the league title (we have to agree on this surely? that we are out of contention for the league at this time every year) he kicks into gear with quotes that betray his ambition. Today for example he has said (with reference to finishing in the top 4) "It's tight. We are four points behind Manchester City. But there are teams who are one, two, three points behind us". For me this is a man who was not determined enough to want to be the best in the country from the outset but one who sets out with no clear goals. At this time of year his goals become clearer. Discuss

  42. goonercolesyboy

    Mar 03, 2015, 11:29 #67893

    Avenell Road, I do not think that Wenger sets out at the start of the season to win the league.....please expand on this interesting view and as I have to work I can't respond until later this evening.

  43. Ron

    Mar 03, 2015, 11:08 #67891

    Badarse - this is only an 'anti AFC site' depending on yr perspective. Many don't agree with what's going on at the Club, that doesn't make such people anti Arsenal, though we know it suits yr agenda to suggest that it does. Yr chosen 'perspective' is never to see any other than yr own, though yr defence mechanism is to accuse others who rarely to never agree with yr sentiments of insulting you. Noddy insults you Badarse, its yr convenient way of coping with views that you cant contend with or accept. I would suggest that the mental glitch is all yours to be perfectly honest.Dressing up yr dissatisfaction with others views with yr repeated expressions of false distaste doesn't impress any argument of yours upon anybody else but we both know why you do it and im not going to embarrass you by elucidating why, you manage that all on yr own quite often. Its perfectly acceptable for you to hold yr views shaped largely by romantic notions and impressions of the Club forged many years ago. Dont confuse others who aren't of that persuasion and who prefer to look at things in a more rational, less emotional way of being misguided. Its just a difference of opinion that provokes the spite in yr offerings towards myself and others that everybody now is familiar with and dare i say often bored to the hilt by. Yr spite betrays yr inability to argue otherwise. This isnt really a 'debating' forum Badarse, its a simple football site for exchanges of concise views, not the Oxford Union. Most of us are busy people where time is at a premium. There are debating sites im sure where others will fawn over yr views and make you feel important. Its unlikely that will occur here. It could wll be that you need to fins such a site, though dont be surprised if everyone doesn't quite subscribe to your version of 'reason' will you. Its ll save you lots of further disappointment.

  44. Avenell Road

    Mar 03, 2015, 10:57 #67890

    goonercolesyboy - I'm not putting words in people's mouths. Jamerson has described people who are dissatisfied with the current state of the club as glory hunters.

  45. Crimewatch

    Mar 03, 2015, 10:48 #67889

    Badarse- It's pretty obvious to anyone who isn't stuck up his own sanctimonious arse that this site is very pro-Arsenal FC and very anti Arsene FC. You do understand that, don't you chum?

  46. Avenell Road

    Mar 03, 2015, 10:42 #67888

    Badarse - fair enough. I'm just going to sit and wait for Wenger's contract to expire. Then hopefully he will have the good grace to leave the club. I do not get the sense that Wenger sets out at the start of the season to win the league, he wants to come in the top four. This makes me want to pull my hair out with frustration. What person, in top level sport who is worth his salt, does not set out to win? For me it feeds down from there. As soon as it comes to this time of year Wenger's quotes betray this lack of ambition "We have proved every year we can do it" etc etc in reference to Champions League qualification. To be characterized as a WOB for wanting better than this only p*sses me off futher.

  47. Red Member

    Mar 03, 2015, 10:39 #67887

    goonercolesyboy - I take offence that you think this is an anti Arsenal site. On the contrary this is very much a pro Arsenal site. It is just that the majority of the contributors are concerned at the direction that the club is taking.

  48. goonercolesyboy

    Mar 03, 2015, 10:31 #67886

    I don't think anyone on here has actually said that underachieving is ok, so don't put words into people's mouths Avenell Road. Badarse gave you his thoughts. Nice to see the negativity continue in spite of a much needed win, but this is an anti Arsenal site so wouldn't expect anything less.

  49. Mike

    Mar 03, 2015, 10:28 #67885

    Giroud has a goal ratio near enough to one every two games. He was bought for around 10 million - Lukaku on the other hand cost around 25 million. He is battling to buy a goal - keep things in perspective.

  50. GoonerGoal!

    Mar 03, 2015, 10:27 #67884

    @Jamerson... Remind us again "What exactly is the point of Arsene Wenger?" VIVE LA REVOLUTION!

  51. jeff wright

    Mar 03, 2015, 10:14 #67883

    Is this the same Falcao who scored the winner against us in the Emirates Cup with Monaco? Surely not ! As it happens Jamerson I never said we should sign Falcao .But I think he might do better with us than at United where they play a different sort of game and he doesn't receive the sort of passes that he did when at Monaco and elsewhere when scoring a shed-full of goals. Horses for courses and all that,ask Westie about it. You don't really know that much about football do you Jamerson and come over as being a bit of nerd ,the sort that loves the le prof Wenger image,it's alll an illusion that believed in by idiots like yourself. Your silly comments on the Suarez affair show this.

  52. Badarse

    Mar 03, 2015, 9:56 #67882

    Avenell Road, as I posted the other day, this hoki koki in/out AW questioning is passé and futile. Some see life and situations differently to others, it is a fact of human nature, and generally 'never the twain shall meet', so accept that fundamental premise. I joined this anti-AFC site over a year ago and naively thought people would see reason and respect my views in support of the manager. No such luck, it's because usually the people with opposing views have a mental glitch. I gave up on it, though occasionally a POV spills from my lips. I am not here to answer to anyone's whims so the challenge, 'Why?', is lost on me. I shall not keep parading my reasons for every new kid on the block, whenever they arrive on here and the fancy takes them. Surely you and other like-minded intelligent people can grasp 'why' without it being spelt out in block capitals. The level of discussion can be quite high on occasions but not so, much of the time. Personal insults of the manager, 'slimy', by an individual who clamours for the 'slimy' support of some other posters is beyond the pale. Criticism of a goalscorer and how high he raises his arms! Come on! This is not discussion, it's kindergarten name-calling dressed as faux debate. I hope you can work out what I am trying to say, but don't stress as there are many who will translate, albeit negatively and rudely.

  53. Bard

    Mar 03, 2015, 9:48 #67881

    If there was ever a bit of news that confirms the Boss has lost his marbles, I read he is thinking about giving Abou a new contract but 'he's a little bit short at the moment'. Now Im known as a generous man except when we're playing the spuds but this is generosity of another order altogether. Handing an incapacitated player a new deal is a proper Kallstrom. I have a dodgy knee I wonder if he'll give me a new contract. I am a defender who cannot defend ( wants not to like about that ??) and I would even promise never to be fit enough to play.

  54. jeff wright

    Mar 03, 2015, 9:42 #67880

    Jamerson shut up you fool,Wenger could have signed Suarez but as usually dithered about over the money involved and did not want to pay more that £42m and a quid.Have you already forgotten that embarrassing offer that caused so much hilarity in the football and comedy world >?The more I read your nonsensical posts the more I realize why Wenger is still at AFC when anywhere else he would have been shown the door years ago. Ask Monaco about it.

  55. Avenell Road

    Mar 03, 2015, 9:24 #67879

    Jamerson cannot give you a reasoned answer as to why he thinks Wenger must stay on as manager. This is why he has to resort to name-calling. Most if not all of his posts just call people WOBs or Wobbies. As I said previously Jamerson seems to think that underachievement is absolutely okay for Arsenal and anyone who wants more is a glory hunter.

  56. Juggernaut

    Mar 03, 2015, 8:40 #67878

    "Swoooosh...." I think someone's missed a point!

  57. Charlie George Orwell

    Mar 03, 2015, 8:01 #67877

    Neville Chamberlain: Er, weren't you known for appeasement instead of standing up in your 'travails'? I know there's a lot of revisionism on this site (particularly in the last decade), but really, Jamerson, you must do better...

  58. Ozzie

    Mar 03, 2015, 5:18 #67876

    It's the same old story: Just two more wins to this point (against sides that matter) and top spot or thereabouts would be ours and that seems to be the gap each year. On the brighter side, 6 losses from 27 games is really not a bad effort, is it? The jewel in the crown would undoubtedly have been Suarez. What I wouldn't give to see the boys knock off manure and get the bogey off the back. As for crowd noise the days of singing with gusto are over - there is a new breed and they're plugged into the matrix proper.

  59. Neville chamberlain

    Mar 03, 2015, 1:31 #67875

    I like the AKBs. I believe they would have given me great support in my travails with Mr Hitler. You should always get behind your leader. I doff my hat to Jamerson Badarse etc.

  60. Danny

    Mar 03, 2015, 0:09 #67873

    If losing 6-0 to Chelsea last year on his 1000th game did not make Wenger's skin crawl, then surely losing to his beloved Monaco at home must hurt Remember Monaco fired him!, because they know he was a loser Wenger has to go now and take the loser Bould with him

  61. jeff wright

    Mar 03, 2015, 0:04 #67872

    Ron.I have always been puzzled why it is that Wenger who has an obsession with technical play makers never signed a couple of marque top class strikers to put away the chances that these players create. The only reason can be money as you say there is a glass ceiling at the club regarding that.Wenger's ego also comes into it with him thinking that he can turn frogs into princes so he signs the Chammy and Sanago's in an attempt to prove that.

  62. Ron

    Mar 02, 2015, 23:07 #67871

    Jeff - not sure why youve allowed yourself to be dragged into debates about where in the ranking spectrum lies Giroud. A visitor from Mars after a few games seen would work out that he s a journeynman. Having said that ive always thought that with a tru;y top class forward alongside him, hed make a good foil for such a player. Giroud is a willing horse if not much else. He ll not get the chance to prove his worth at Arsenal, because like many in the past hes been promoted to do a job that hes not qualified to do ie principal striker for a supposed title challenging team. be it industry or in sport or wherever its recognized as folly and negligent management to over promote. Wengers done it to numerous players there for years, yet never blamed for it. Giroud missed a hatfull the other night yes. Whos fault is that? His or the guy's that asks him for consistency in a role that he cant sustain? I know in my yrs of employing people that to do it occasionally can reap surprising one off results. To expect those results to continue is sheer idiocy. Giroud has to be cut some slack in such games. Your Charlie Austin analogy of him is close mate. As ever the master of delusion, Mr Wenger is never quicker underfoot than when hes distancing himself from a players most obvious bad games. Hes an intelligent but slimy man who has coated himself with a teflon veneer of suave urbanity that thousands have bought into for years.

  63. GoonerGoal!

    Mar 02, 2015, 22:42 #67870

    @Jamerson - The opportunity was presented to you by Red Member to "please enlighten us as to why Wenger deserves to stay as manager...". You chose to ignore it. My feeling is it was probably an impossible task for you to even attempt to elucidate a rational response, but if that wasn't the case, then I once again offer the chance to you to make a case on behalf of Wenger.... if you can. VIVE LA REVOLUTION!

  64. jeff wright

    Mar 02, 2015, 22:41 #67869

    GR, well I said myself that Giroud was a good striker rather than a great one,so we at least agree on that! Tbh I don't really go much by the sort of results against lower sides that we see ad-Ad nauseam every season United are producing similar ones to us despite this all their supporters say this is the worst side they have had in years. Anyway as I said I will be singing the praises of our players if they beat United next Monday .In the meantime fingers and everything else crossed for the game against Rangers -that unfortunately is in reality where we are at after 19 years of Arsene. You couldn't make it up.

  65. Ron

    Mar 02, 2015, 22:27 #67868

    Hi Hiccup - said in jest or at least with tongue in cheek im sure i.e yr comment re 'fans who pay but don't show up'. That s been happening increasingly there for quite some yrs now as we know. Arsenal have got over it up to now by simply lying about the gate numbers, itself an insult to peoples intelligence as any regular fan after 5 or 6 visits to a stadium can more or less guess accurately how many are in. AFC are now aware that us fans who are there (in my case very rarely) snigger about their oft repeated lie yet it still gets them so far, for now at least. As these TV deals increase in size, they're more bullish about it, more blase about the lie. Its a continuum that is taking them to a point where not just Arsenal, but all of the PL cLubs wont care a fig if hardly anyone is there and they will cherish the benefits as you say. Lets be honest, such atmosphere there is at most of those PL grounds now is created by hellishly loud music, tapes of famous crowd songs and such like, even at places like Anfield. Look at Tottenham, according to many, its an atmospheric ground. The truth is that you never see more microphones anywhere than there are there. Hundreds of them all in close proximity throughout every stand in the atrocious place. Yr comment is close to reality mate. The fans attendance is less and less important now. SKY and Co can quite easily televise games with next to no crowd. Even the BBC many yrs ago used to make grounds seem more full for MOTD purposes without the technology and camera sophistication and know how that exists now. For now the TV companies like to see crowds as it endorses their dubious product and kind of defeats the view that more TV football affects crowd numbers, but we can be sure theyre preparing for football with few punters there. The importance of gate receipts has been declining for some years. It already a life choice many have taken is it not? TV or match attendance? More and more are taking the latter option and still persuading themselves that theres truth in the fictions that they re as much an Arsenal fan as the guy who pays his money and goes. You hear them proudly declare it on here don't you. It will cause a problem for the TV eventually and will ,lead the TV companies to dump the whole thing eventually, but that time is some way off just yet.

  66. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 02, 2015, 22:13 #67867

    jw, yes that weird celebration he does with his two arms (always lower down and more half hearted for PL games. What's he trying to prove that he's far far more superior than us because he uses both hands.

  67. GoonerRon

    Mar 02, 2015, 22:08 #67866

    @ Jeff - there's very few positive comments on here about yesterday's win - where's the wank fest? And I don't think my mild congratulation constitutes euphoria. Not sure why you feel so vindicated about your comments after the Citeh game - ok, we've not played brilliantly since then (and the Monaco defeat was particularly low), but we've won 6 out 8, have improved our position in the league and moved into the QF of the FA Cup. Not too shabby really. As for Giroud - I've never said he was world class, but I do think he's a very effective striker that fits very well in our system, who improves every season, whilst his goal record this season proves that your flat track bully comment is nonsense.

  68. jjetplane

    Mar 02, 2015, 21:46 #67865

    Suits you sir!

  69. Badarse

    Mar 02, 2015, 20:52 #67864

    Et toi, jj?

  70. jjetplane

    Mar 02, 2015, 20:45 #67863

    His Dad's French, his Mum's from Skelmersdale, and he's a ....!

  71. Badarse

    Mar 02, 2015, 20:42 #67862

    You shame yourselves.

  72. jeff wright

    Mar 02, 2015, 20:06 #67861

    Ha! A funny comparison that MG, Olly is built more like a championship type player and has the pace of one rather than a Champions League ace that's for sure. TBH though I reckon that if Arsene signed Julian Clary as our new striker that some on here (def Brian !) would make a case for him being a great signing . As I said before it's a vaudeville show at AFC these days clowns to the left jokers to the right and Arsene in the middle.You couldn't make it up.

  73. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 02, 2015, 19:47 #67860

    jw, I thought you were going to compare the cart horse to one of those Austin Allegros? that Ron was talking about that looks the real thing with a bit of turtle wax and a furry dice.

  74. jjetplane

    Mar 02, 2015, 19:37 #67859

    Caught the Scousers highlights & I should probably **** off up a motorway but what a pair of goals so me thinking in a knee jerky fashion they look good for anywhere in the top four so we have a five into four won't go but still expect Koeman to get back on track and the ****-off-down-the-laners to still have an effect and so .... Joey ****ing Barton!

  75. jeff wright

    Mar 02, 2015, 18:42 #67858

    GR,there is always unfortunately a feeling of the morning after the lord mayors ball about these sort of home wins against struggling sides,following on bad results in big games such as the Monaco one.Sorry I can't join in your euphoria over these 4th place trophy results but donkeys years of them as just left me feeling numb with boredom. The result at City was supposed to have signalled a turning point OLLY scored in that win from a free-kick I did mention this I forgot about the 2-2 draw at Liverpool when we lost a winning lead with seconds left and the 2-1 defeat at home to United,I tend to try and forget these only too familiar horrible things ! I recall you taking me to task when I suggested we should be cautious and wait awhile before booking the open top bus parade after the win at Poundlands . I was of course proven right about that and you were proven wrong! I take no satisfaction from this but I just can't feel any empathy with Wenger and I am far from confident that he will get things right next Monday night at Old Trafford. On Oliver's goals that you quote I accept that I got that wrong but I still stick with my view that he is a good striker and not a top one .Other ones such as Austin ,playing in a rubbish team and Kane at the out of everything again spuds have similar form and they are not top strikers either ,so I on't really see what there is to argue about unless you are trying to claim that Giroud is a top striker and we don't need better than him>? Now if Arsene can get Olyy and co fired up to snatch an unlikely victory at OT then I will be very happy to offer some praise for this ,but I'm not joining in any wank-fests over beating struggling sides at home in pursuit of Wenger's ( yawn) 4th place trophy .

  76. jjetplane

    Mar 02, 2015, 18:39 #67857

    It ain't just ArseneCorp that get me with their Americana ticker tape (wait til next season) and tippy tappy markets exploration with a bit of fuseball thrown in. It's the whole PL through to the championship gunning for those asiatic pound notes. On a more passionate note it's good to see Klopp has got Dortmund up to 10th in a flash of a romanticist eye and ****! does that stadium rock! Batman and Robin ' now that's what I call theatre! Wenger and Giroud - a marriage of tattoos and zips - Matron! RON you is a tough dude to survive whatever they pump through the vents at the Wok. Seems to keep most of them happy! 10 thousand not bothered - now that's passion! ha ha! .....

  77. Hiccup

    Mar 02, 2015, 18:35 #67856

    Ron, I like your drip drip analysis. And the board do know how to play the fans. About 3 years ago, the AKB's were saying just let wenger run his contract down, he at least deserves that. Now with the extended contract, they say well he's only got a couple of years left, so let's go with it. Those advisors to the yanks must be on good bonuses for telling them to buy the club, as it has a gullible following that can be manipulated and fed any **** and still come back wailing their support for mediocrity. Now that they've turned the fans in to zombies and the ground a morgue, I just wonder what they plan next? Cutbacks on stewarding and policing as fans pay but don't turn up? Christ, what a business model.

  78. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 02, 2015, 18:25 #67855

    Alsace Lorraine, good post, it was nearly missed that, and we know who was never going to bring it up and remind us.

  79. Ron

    Mar 02, 2015, 18:01 #67854

    Hi Hiccup lad. - good points there and well made. All i can add to the dreaded prospect of Henry the Coach coming to fruition there is that i reckon he would get a mammoth honeymoon. He ll be shoehorned in when it happens as part of a Wenger upstairs/Henry dream ticket. Wenger will cover his back every step of the way and by the time the barmy notion has been drip dripped and sold to the modern fan there, they ll be so high on nostalgia and back into cult worship a ka Wenger type, that he ll be granted much time by the customers, King le sulker revisited or not. He d need to drop the Club to close to bottom 3 before this Board would write up a P45 i suspect. You have to think, its a Wenger sponsored initiative and they've already declared have nt they if he has a plan they back it unquestioningly - see Chips Keswick comments. Wengers protecting his own arse and future salary with all this selling Mr le sulk to a Board that would swallow anything he fed them. Its all one big future cosy tri colored sham. You've been to that stadium enough mate and know how they ll digest it im sure.

  80. Badarse

    Mar 02, 2015, 17:57 #67853

    You've got to laugh, a tepid response from posters, 'celebrating' an Arsenal victory, even criticising a player under the cosh, for being over exuberant in his goal celebrations. Passion? What a joke. Methinks the critics of the atmosphere in the stadium, the same ones who criticise AW for not leaping to his feet in animated endeavour, the ones who complain of certain players not working hard enough, are the ones eating their pies and scratching their bums, yawning and making it up. I understood precisely what you meant GoonerRon, those dozen lessons in mandarin came in handy.

  81. Ron

    Mar 02, 2015, 17:44 #67852

    Bob M - It needs many more to do the same Bob to force a change of direction there. I dropped my seat ticket in 2010. A lot started to do so then. A good few of these so called 'AKB's haven't been to games for many yrs. it would do them a lot of good to go, see and feel the vibes of that rip off Club a few times at the silent dome wdt it. Sunday was a good reminder for me. They're going to remain blissfully and ignorantly happy in their TV insulated cocoons until they do.

  82. Hiccup

    Mar 02, 2015, 17:37 #67851

    Evening all. I'm actually with mg on the Henry appointment, provided wenger is sacked and not moved upstairs. Can you imagine the relief we could all breathe. If henry ain't up to it, he won't get ten years to faff about with all this jam tomorrow every season. The main attribute that henry has, is that he is a winner. That above all else is worth having at managerial level compared to what we have now. Ron has always made the point that as skipper he was a sulker. Can't disagree with that, and hardly leadership material. However, having been in that position of having to mollycoddle wenger's project youth, he won't put our star players through the same ****. Cesc had to put up with the same **** as did Van Persie. Would Henry have let these players play alongside and carry Denilson and bendtner? Would Henry have allowed us to go a full season without replacing Ade because Chamack would be free in 12 months? The difference is as manager he won't need to sulk if these overpaid fannies are taking group selfies of themselves smoking in the changing room, as he can boot them out. The goldfish brains of the AKB's conveniently forget all this **** we've had to put up with. Season after season pissed down the drain before it even started. But a run of good results against Everton and Boro means things are looking up? The sooner he is gone the better. Go now, and let Vik Ackers take over until Henry's contract with Sky is run down.

  83. GoonerRon

    Mar 02, 2015, 17:34 #67850

    @ Jeff - 411 words posted after a 2-0 victory and not one single positive in there. I know how much you like stats so I'm sure you'll know half of 'flat track bully' Giroud's goals this season have come against Man U, Citeh, Liverpool and Everton.

  84. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 02, 2015, 17:33 #67849

    Paulo75, you'd think so, and any other team would, but this is Arsenal under wenger so don't bet on it.

  85. Alsace

    Mar 02, 2015, 17:27 #67848

    I greatly enjoy the idea or assertion that the Wenger Out brigade (Wob's) are the people not turning up to matches. (1) How could you possibly tell ? and (2)it would appear that several of the AMG's attend places such as railway stations in Stoke. The point being that if they can be bothered to see us travel then they are going to the home games. I must admit that I confine my vocal denigration of the manager to home fixtures (if he does something stupid, which is virtually always), but I do turn up to the games I have paid to attend, and stay to applaud the team who come to the North Bank after the game. At the risk of making a point seemingly beyond the AKB's, you can support the team and the club without supporting Arsene Wenger. I have indeed put the proposition that to support Arsene Wenger and supporting the players and the club are in fact mutually exclusive positions. The latter is a conclusion that greater and greater numbers of people are reaching, hopefully now including the owners.

  86. jjetplane

    Mar 02, 2015, 17:26 #67847

    3 cheers for JW! ha ha Giroud on missing that header at the end sums it all up. A useless big fish in a half empty bowl. Nice smirk from the 8m trickster as he laughs off Monaco accidente. They should sack him just for that. Interesting points MG - let's hope this over-extended series is up for the sudden chop. Yankees are quite good at that.

  87. jeff wright

    Mar 02, 2015, 16:59 #67845

    Giroud's ludicrous, quel est le probleme ? goal celeb was typical fast track bully stuff that we have come to know only too well from this Wenger side. Wenger himself wisely waited until we got a second one before he jumped up doing his weird little one off the wrist type celeb. To win the top prizes these days a team needs a halfway-line to opponents goal area quick forward and slow boat Olyy is not one of these. Danny Boy has the pace but unfortunately he also possesses all of the brains that god gave a duck's arse when it comes to making that final decision at the death after making a gut bursting run toward goal. His goal stats are nothing to get excited over and are the reason why United sold him to us. There has been some good top strikers available over the past few seasons but Wenger for whatever reason has failed to sign them and preferred to buy cheap ones such as the hapless Sanago ,before him Chammy,etc, and Giroud was another cheap take a punt on him one by Wenger the master of illusion. He will never get those 20+ goals in the Prem that the likes of Costa and Aquero do. They are both on 17 goals apiece and I make Giroud on a par with the likes of Austin at QPR who is on 14 goals rather than with the Chelsea and City strikers. City are looking deflated and some players like YaYa showing their age now plus they are handicapped with the enigmatic Pellegrini .He was fortunate to win the Prem last season but despite Wenger pointing out that we are only 4 points behind City they still looks good for second place this season with only United away and the spuds away looking like possible banana skins .City's run-in is definitely easier than our one on paper. TWhat he failed to add when remarking on our 4 points behind City was that we are only just ahead of United and Liverpool ourselves and in reality are fighting it out with those pair for 3rd or 4th place.The Emirates stadium is all smoke and mirrors underhand chicanery and rip-offs all just a vaudeville show really with comics and clowns at work performing for the amusement of the audience albeit unintentionally tripping themselves up all orchestrated by the master of illusion himself take a big bow Monsieur 8 million a year Wenger .

  88. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 02, 2015, 16:33 #67844

    Although one may be as bad as the other in managerial terms at least wenger will be gone, so lets hope it's correct about joshie boy. Maybe King Henry's not as close to TOF as we all think/thought, maybe he's closer to joshie boy, and a lot smarter than we think and playing both sides (hedgeing his bets if you like)as he can see in TOF what the rest of us see. One things for certain TOF won't have liked to hear or read that, it wouldn't have helped his ego it's took enough of a battering of late, and he might be keeping a closer eye on his adopted clone now.

  89. Avenell Road

    Mar 02, 2015, 16:29 #67843

    Red Member - Let me answer that one for him - it boils down to the following: mediocrity is okay, anyone who wants more is a glory hunter.

  90. GoonerRon

    Mar 02, 2015, 16:25 #67842

    @ Bard - by go for it I mean play our strongest line up and replicate the first half against them at The Emirates when we had a high tempo and they couldn't live with us. Obviously, the one change from that performance is taking our chances.

  91. jjetplane

    Mar 02, 2015, 16:19 #67841

    I'll take that as a compliment JAMIESOn. I prefer to think of my support as excruciatingly tepid. Did you enjoy yourself yesterday and if so were the Stewards keeping an eye on you throughout. Too much merriment and they will be tweaking your nose! Some people like to digest their Sunday roast in peace and where better than in the Temple of Tippy Tappy. You would think Lord Wenger would show a bit of enthusiasm for his eight million and rising. Anyway, should be a good laugh in Monaco.....

  92. Red Member

    Mar 02, 2015, 16:18 #67840

    Jamerson - please enlighten us as to why Wenger deserves to stay as manager

  93. Bob Matthews

    Mar 02, 2015, 15:43 #67838

    The seven seats to my left were empty yesterday and like others i observed how many people had not bothered to go.The game and atmosphere reminded me of an end of season.nothing to play for type occasion.Not renewing my family 3 seats next season,reckon i can spend my 4.5 grand wiser. Shame as i have loved this club for over 50 years but now feel as if they couldnt care less and take the piss out of our loyal fanbase

  94. Bard

    Mar 02, 2015, 15:43 #67837

    Gooneron; i presume by 'go for it' against Manure you mean the usual Kamakarzi 'spread out and see you at half time' that we are so good at. Why would it be any different?

  95. Ron

    Mar 02, 2015, 14:54 #67834

    Website ed - sounds about right that i.e. the 10000. The only reason why i got down there was one of the 10000 i know who just couldn't be arsed to bother. The freebie i had saw me begrudging the time id given to it by half time to be honest. Naismith and our GK were the only 2 who seemed to have any genuine interest in proceedings!

  96. Ron

    Mar 02, 2015, 14:43 #67833

    Hi Kev Johnny Lynch makes a sound point. I managed to get along to the game yesterday. Be a while before i go again i suspect. It was a nondescript game wasnt it. Two ordinary teams, one very marginally better than the other. Comes to some thing when you can hear the players calling to each other as well doesn't it. It really is a place packed with such passive carefree spectators. The last time i got down there was the 1-0 NLD win in 2013. I feel somewhat vindicated in not having gone to a home game since. Very sad state of things and looking at Wengers bench, it gives the impression that he and the others there are killing time going through the motions, just like most of the fans. There s an article by Alan Shearer in one of the on line news papers i read. Swap the name Newcastle for Arsenal and a good many of us would have written it about the statis at N7.

  97. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 02, 2015, 13:57 #67832

    Good Headline Ed, Hasn't it's always BEEN our no 1 priority. Monaco the realms of possibility? now we know why you love us all and put up with us so much you have a great sense of humour too. Another regulation win although both teams weren't much better than each other and has been forgotten already, but it didn't stop TOF slipping in speeritt (he must of bought a bottle from the offie on the way in) nothing has changed although no doubt some will think we're off again, this is it, and everything's rosey in the garden again. But as was remarked by some last night the win was all very low key (even TOF himself didn't manage a smile or a smarmy grin) and not celebrated with the usual exuberance (certainly when the cameras panned around the ground there were fans not bothering to celebrate and others just about managing it) maybe at long last the reality is setting in because it has set in with a lot of others a long time ago.

  98. jjetplane

    Mar 02, 2015, 13:57 #67831

    HICCUP with you there on the lack of bloody pride and Sunday joy at a clean sheet and two goals to boot! Invincibles used to win a lot of games 2-0 and let's be fair, Giroud is hardly as jumped up as Henry was when he was tapping them in against the minnows of this world. Do they do a nice sunday roast at the Wok? & just wait for Friday night lights and hot dogs for a tenner and a dance from the BFG at like the end of the first quarter/half ..... Them Kronkie guys will not be forgetting their trip so quickly. They will be telling Wenger in no uncertain terms he needs to sign a big name quarter back and get a ****ing anthem sung before every game .... Way to go. KEVIN do not envy you having to drum up some modicum of enthusiasm when even Sanchez has giving up chasing the ball and now just kind of walks back ala Ozil. At least the AKBs are still in full song. Well GoonerRon is well chuffed .....

  99. chris dee

    Mar 02, 2015, 13:25 #67830

    'On course for a top four finish' 'A very beatable QPR side' Very much in line with ' Monaco? What a great draw!'

  100. Bard

    Mar 02, 2015, 13:09 #67829

    I don't think it was a bad game considering the s*** that went on during Wednesdays game. We did what we had to do. The idea that Terry Henry might be next in line is enough for me to turn AKB overnight. Its a ridiculous notion. In fact the whole story of Stan and son being furious seems highly unlikely. I doubt they even knew who had won on Wed they are so clueless. The money is still piling in as normal so whats changed. Are we seriously suggesting that they give a s*** whether we win anything or not. Since when did that epiphany take place ?

  101. Hiccup

    Mar 02, 2015, 12:50 #67828

    I find it a real shame that the editor of an arsenal fanzine cannot get excited about beating a bottom half team. I also find it a real shame that the editor cannot muster up the same level of ecstasy as the rest of us with the prospect of another top 4 finish. It really is a shame.

  102. AMG

    Mar 02, 2015, 12:43 #67827

    A nothing result against a poor side, Wenger's forte. A great tackle from Gabriel on Lukaku to be sure! He does seem to have a penchant for the slide tackle, much like Koscielny when he arrived, will lead to a lot of cards and penalties if not addressed - Who's gonna tell him? Wenger? Dream on! Giroud isn't fit to clean the boots of the strikers who came before him, unfortunately he will continue to start, just as Diaby will continue to receive lucrative deals, because Wenger will not admit when he's got something wrong, desperate to be proven right in the end. I'd be surprised if the Kroenke's could explain the offside rule, so I wouldn't get your hopes up on them canning Arsene.

  103. Charlie George Orwell

    Mar 02, 2015, 12:33 #67826

    Johnny Lynch: A little excessive blaming Giroud 'who cost us a quarter final spot.'? It's not his fault that Arsenal simply make up the numbers in the Champions League and that practically every other club in the competition fancy themselves against us. Reckon any blame lies elsewhere...

  104. Avenell Road

    Mar 02, 2015, 12:25 #67825

    "One Josh Kroenke! There's only one Josh Kroenke". Perhaps ol' Joshy doesn't much like wallowing in mediocrity! #gojosh

  105. GoonerRon

    Mar 02, 2015, 12:21 #67824

    A very welcome and much needed 3 points and clean sheet. I quite liked the fact we kept compact in the first 15-20 minutes and didn't go chasing the game too much, we played our way into it (despite the BT commentary team seeing it as a negative). A bit harsh on Giroud apparently over-celebrating his goal - he took lots of criticism on Wednesday (some of it deserved) so it's understandable that he was relieved to score so quickly afterwards. If he hadn't have celebrated I can just imagine the "arrogant French so-and-so, he doesn't care" comments this morning. I think Wenger will go for it at OT with a full strength team, no doubt in my mind.

  106. Red Member

    Mar 02, 2015, 12:20 #67823

    @Paulo75 - yoou obviously havent learnt anything from the Monaco game. MONACO and MANCHESTER UNITED are irrelevant games for Wenger. It is all about the top 4 from here on in. QPR away and West Ham at home the biggest games in the next fortnight. We just got lucky last season with a combination of home and then easy fixtures in the cup

  107. stephen

    Mar 02, 2015, 12:15 #67822

    johnny lynch did you junp up and down when arsenal scored or where yoy milking your self

  108. Paulo75

    Mar 02, 2015, 12:09 #67820

    The shame of Monaco last Wednesday means surely we go to Old Trafford at full strength and full of determination to salvage some silverware. United are playing poorly and are there for the taking. The Manager and players owe it to the fans. That said recent visits there have almost always produced pitiful displays. Time for that to change.

  109. Rob

    Mar 02, 2015, 12:09 #67819

    So Stan actually turned up for the Monaco game ?? A long way to come to see something like that. Maybe he'll amaze us all and demand changes ? No..?!??…I'm just dreaming…I know...

  110. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Mar 02, 2015, 12:08 #67818

    I'm all for change as much as the next fan, but just imagine if we'd got Martinez back in '11 or '12 as some were hoping. Then, he was the coming man. Now, he's taken Everton backwards, and Wigan look likely to be playing 3rd Division football next season too.

  111. King Jeremy

    Mar 02, 2015, 11:59 #67817

    @TJ - Spot on mate - We could be so, so much more, but never will be under this manager.

  112. DJ

    Mar 02, 2015, 11:53 #67816

    Neatly summed up Kevin, Wednesday is conveniently swept under the carpet after a less than thrilling home win to keep the shareholders happy. If we finish third some, as triumphed by Simon Rose in this month’s Gooner, will see it as a successful season. The Monaco debacle should have been the straw that broke the camels back regarding Arsene’s tenure but the man seems to have more lives than a very large cats home. Agree with Mr Lynch regarding Giroud’s celebrations after his goal thought he may have shown a little humility after his cows arse banjo display in the week.

  113. Red Member

    Mar 02, 2015, 11:45 #67815

    TJ - youcould have written that comment anytime during the past few years, most of us already know that. what I find is ridiculous is people paying for seats and not turning up! Either renew your season ticket and turn up or otherwise dont bother!! you are keeping Wenger in a job if you keep paying.

  114. TJ

    Mar 02, 2015, 11:39 #67814

    The Monaco game was kind of a turning point for a lot of people. The lack of atmosphere inside the stadium that night, and indeed the increasing number of empty seats at home games- it's all very disenchanting. Wenger just wants to qualify for the CL for the money and goes for fourth place in the league. He only wants to play his recklessly open brand of football when it counts though, and he might give the FA Cup more of a go if he thinks his position is under more pressure. That said, I can't see us beating United... All in all, I felt completely uninterested in the Everton match- we could be so much more but this unambitious regime, propped up by sheepish AKB Wenger fanboys, will guarantee that we continue to dwell in mediocrity.

  115. Johnny Lynch

    Mar 02, 2015, 11:37 #67813

    @Website Editor .. Still leaves 51,000 in attendance Kevin ..

  116. Website Editor

    Mar 02, 2015, 11:27 #67812

    @Johnny Lynch - Actually, quite a lot of empty seats. Minimum of 10,000 season ticket holders decided not to bother.

  117. Johnny Lynch

    Mar 02, 2015, 11:20 #67811

    Giroud yesterday .. milking the applause , the bum who cost us a quarter final spot , milking the tourists applause. Que Putain de Merde... Wenger would have walked out yesterday , saw the packed stadium and thought - I'm untouchable.