Job Done

Online Ed: Hard won three points at Loftus Road



Job Done

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Ed’s note – I followed the game last night in a French bar which had a screen showing a Premier League show ‘Match of Ze Day’. It focussed primarily on relaying live segments from the Chelsea, Manchester United and Arsenal games (plus Liverpool at half-time of those and after those three games had finished), also showing the goals of other matches when scored. I was not going to attempt to do a write-up of the events at QPR having seen approx 20 minutes in total of the game, although my impression was that of a scrappy win against a relegation-doomed side from what I did see, a couple of rare moments of quality making the difference. However, to give a more accurate picture, I asked regular Gooner contributor and podcast panellist David Oudôt to fill the gap on this one. His write-up of the match follows with my thanks to him for stepping in…

Arsenal’s third League win a row since that tragic afternoon at WHL seemed to be a combination of the Everton and Palace games in different ways with the mixture of a slow first half and a nail-biting last few minutes, but ultimately a deserved and well worked win was achieved and five restful days can be taken before our Monday trip up the M6 in the FA Cup.

The team selection saw Wenger realise that the advantage of having three genuine centre halves is that you can rotate them when they're knackered, with Mertesacker rested against Everton rather than being dropped. Koscielny was given the day off and Gabriel moved over to the left hand side of the centre back duo. The other change saw Rosicky swapping places with The Ox to start, and a supposedly ill Szczesny replaced on the bench by Martinez.

Chris Ramsey's QPR has a very different air to it than 'Arry's with a lot more eagerness and desire about them, and a degree of motivation. As was to be expected, a relegation-bound side had to throw the kitchen sink at every fixture as though each was a Cup Final in disguise. The R's had a lot more of the ball for the opening half an hour but with the visitors being a lot more sturdy than last season they withheld them comfortably and the Hoops resorted to hit and hope crosses towards Zamora and Austin and a long-range in-swinger, all of which were dealt with very well by the improving Ospina. With Gabriel making only his second Premier League start it was understandable for the West London side to have the 'big-boned' Austin and Zamora look to bully him with tough tackles both aerially and on the ground. Whilst the new signing handled them very well it ultimately led to a supposed 'hamstring strain' and Koscielny replaced him after half an hour. Hopefully this turns out to be a 'Welcome to England' game that toughens him up rather than another bout of Ramsey-itis.

Aside from a toned-down version of Wilshere's goal versus Norwich from last season, which brought a good save by Green from Cazorla, it wasn't until the second half Arsenal generated a real chance. Rosicky got to the goal line and pulled back a chance for Ozil to tap in but the misnamed referee 'Friend' did not give a penalty despite Karl Henry clearly tugging the German back. The saddest thing is that if this happened on the halfway line the free kick would have been given in a heartbeat and Henry rightly cautioned for deliberate foul play, but with referees being paranoid and cowardly because of the numerous cameras in the ground, Friend ran away.

Thankfully the Gunners’ worries were initially allayed just after the hour with a great counter-attack goal finished off by Giroud, but the worries reappeared when Alexis spurned a chance he would have easily taken in games prior to his seven game goal drought. After stealing the ball from Caulker 30 yards out he had an easy one-on-one, and the Alexis of pre-Xmas would have curled into the far corner straight away. Sadly with confidence apparently not as high as it was back then he didn't know whether to shoot or give it to Ozil and instead gave the ball away which made Gooners slightly concerned as a one goal lead is never enough until the ref blows for time.

But whilst confidence is something that comes and goes, class is permanent and shortly after that miss Alexis scored a beauty. He picked the ball up in the QPR box on the goal-line and proceeded to cut inside and then send the ball back from whence it came, somehow squeezing it through the 7.5 inch gap between the post and Green's foot. Normal service on Sanchez TV has been resumed.

From here the team looked hungry for more and the pacey and continually-improving Bellerin made a habit of getting to the byline and knocking the ball across to create chances, but the last 10 minutes became an elongated version of the end of the Palace game. With Austin pulling a goal back out of nowhere (debatable as to whether Ospina was slightly at fault or out of sight of the shot) the nails were bitten and the Arsenal end stopped singing. But thankfully Mertesacker's week off helped to refresh him with challenges and headers won regularly, no goal conceded, and when the final whistle was blown, the job was done. With each of the other six teams around the Gunners all winning it was crucial for them to do so and hopefully they can continue this against Wham a week on Saturday. Whilst the most Arsène Wenger’s side can hope for in the League is a CL qualification place, if there's any way that can be guaranteed prior to the last day of the season (and hopefully allow for a comfortable preparation for another FA Cup Final) I'm sure we'd all snatch it straight away.

One final point of note. Looking into the Directors' Box during the game, the only recognisable Arsenal representatives in there were Ken Friar and first team coaches Boro Primorac and Neil Banfield. Unless they are in Spain pre-signing the likes of Khedira, Ronaldo and Messi it's rather sad if the likes of Gazidis, Keswick and/or the Kroenkes couldn't (be bothered to) make it over to Shepherd's Bush on a Wednesday evening to watch a game that isn't live on TV. Shame.

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  1. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 07, 2015, 12:46 #68192

    Peter Wain, fear not jut keep remembering regardless of the outcome nothing will have or is going to change.

  2. Peter Wain

    Mar 06, 2015, 20:55 #68168

    I have a bad feeling about Monday. Big defeat looming again I fear.

  3. Anti-Wenger

    Mar 06, 2015, 15:57 #68141

    If we managed to still get beaten at the Emirates by the worst ManU team in over 2 decades, isn't it wishful thinking to believe we'll beat them at Old Trafford on Monday? Well, let's wait and see. But Wenger has proven without any doubt that he just doesn't know how to win these sort of games anymore, no matter who plays for us or how well we play on the day, we'll still find a way to loose. Either an own goal, a defensive error, a GK error, bad officiating, generally poor defending, whatever, but we still end up losing. It's been the same story year after year. We won't give up hope, but we almost know what to expect.

  4. Badarse

    Mar 06, 2015, 14:41 #68135

    jj back then it was a different world altogether, "Different World!" Thank you boys and girls. 'Get down jeff, and sit still maguiresbridge!' I went to watch the '62 and '67 FA Cup finals-both Sour wins, '67 was billed as the first 'cockney cup final' against CFC. Saw Man.U win it in '63-Frank's 2nd loser's medal, and the European Cup in '68. It wasn't considered disloyal in those days, they were just a different team to Arsenal, why I met quite a few of the '61 Double side at the 'Lane', Medwin, Brown etc, even fringe players like Johnny Hollowbread and Mel Hopkins. This would have been in '63, an altogether different time, "Different Time!" Be quiet you two, get back in the cupboard, both of you.

  5. jjetplane

    Mar 06, 2015, 13:59 #68133

    Mackay was indeed a legend even when we were kids and seeing him. The pumped up chest is a funny one as I was like that myself as a lad and used to play in a similar position. Might add that I was no earth shaker like Mackay but remember meeting him also when he was handing medals along with big Pat Jennings and a brother of mine was persented wth one. It was almost quite friendly between us in those days. Remember going to one derby there in the late 60s and I was the one Arsenal supporter with two spuds and a Chelsea lad. Do also recall some very naughty moments but when you're a kid it seems pretty normal. Nice life Mr Mackay.

  6. Ron

    Mar 06, 2015, 12:52 #68129

    Jamie - Totts have mainlky been a light touch type team all of my life as you intimate, but they have had a few tough guys in their time. Burkinshaw went there late 70s to mid 80s and toughened them up a lot and had a nice mix of grafters, harder players and technocrats. He got the sack for his efforts like all the rest do there but ive often thought that had they have kept him on he d have done very well there in my view. The worry today is that Arsenal have actually become what Tottenham were from the late 60s to now, save for Burkinshaws time there i.e. capable of very pretty football that can some times destroy teams but disguising a terribly soft underbelly. A team cant win top trophies with that as its characteristic. its impossible. We ve spoken of David Mackay here today. The sad thing mate is that Wenger almost certainly wouldn't even look at a player like him for our midfield. We don't need to have worked half a day in football to see that its just what we need and have done for 10 years.

  7. Ron

    Mar 06, 2015, 11:54 #68123

    Westie - hi mate. Yes, hes what we ve needed for yrs. He was a great player though too, not just as hard as ever any player could be wasnt he. Only a little fella, about 5 foot 8/9 too.

  8. Westlower

    Mar 06, 2015, 10:57 #68114

    @Arseneknewbest, You've made my day, thank you. It's taken 20 years off me to realise the latent power I possess by not slagging off my club. Wait, I can feel the energy surging back into my weary limbs & muscles, just like Popeye when he opens a tin of spinach & becomes super strong. I trust you're old enough to know of Popeye, Pluto & the gorgeous Olive Oil? Popeyeknewbest!

  9. Badarse

    Mar 06, 2015, 10:56 #68113

    Sorry guys my computer's glitch was missed, I did say I needed medicating.

  10. Badarse

    Mar 06, 2015, 10:30 #68108

    rue that they were carved out Yes 24601, newspaper leads of the day always described such men as, 'Craggy Scotsmen', but with those two it's very true that they were carved out of granite. I'm sure if men like that went 'over the top' in the Great War, had they got a leg shot off they would have picked it up and carried on hopping towards the enemy lines. Hang on I'm drifting into Goon/Python land again, time for my medication.

  11. Westlower

    Mar 06, 2015, 10:21 #68107

    @Badarse, Can you imagine a midfield containing McLintock & Mackay, it'd make Roy Keane look a wimp!

  12. Badarse

    Mar 06, 2015, 9:58 #68103

    Well Arseneknewbest you failed. Sad but true. I opened the door to give you a glimpse and perhaps the light dazzled you. So you were responsible for all that happened in Iraq?I've been looking for the accomplice of the B-Liar. So you are responsible for Sky TV? Then watch out, Ron will chase you down. It follows that if you see me as responsible for all your ills in life-because I don't share your outlook-then you have so many enemies, in all matters. Try to engage the grey matter a little more buddy. I am peeved as I wanted to post to westlower and held off as I thought your confused post warranted a speedy response. Fancy respecting such a post, still I often lead with my chin. @ 24601 I was at that game in January 1961-another game we saw together. I am getting choices of dates now if I ever get this stupid time machine to work. Mackay puffing his chest out! It is important to explain to younger Guns that he had a barrel-chest, so his physique naturally lent itself to being noticeable when he thrust it forward. He perhaps played to that. He was an awesome driving force in their midfield, long before the term existed. A powerful wing half, animated, gesticulating, urging forward. Tough and uncompromising, mud-spattered, like a wild man. A catalyst for that team. He then took those qualities to Derby as previously stated. Another footballing icon falls off the end of that interminable conveyor belt.

  13. Arseneknewbest

    Mar 06, 2015, 9:36 #68100

    Phew badarse - I trust you were on your Psychoanalyst's couch while writing that little stream of consciousness. A man who is happy laughing at his own cod witticisms like that must have some inner strength. Your sentiment about power to the WOBs would be transformational if it actually happened. As it is, you, Stan, Ivan, OGL, Lee, Westlower Colesy etc. hold all the cards, i.e. the ones that keep our club in the doldrums while greedy egotistical a-holes methodically wreck it and get filthy rich into the bargain. Keep propping it up Baddie.

  14. Badarse

    Mar 06, 2015, 9:15 #68098

    Morning Arseneknewbest. I recognise that sometimes posts cannot convey the real person, then again I am a dab hand at my own form of gibberish. Little Englander? The very term makes the heckles rise. Where I was coming from is a certain position. I, like everyone else, want individuality-a specific identity, but enjoy identifying with a wider group. It's why football answered so many unspoken questions for me. It's good to win a tennis match, or win a race-it is you who has achieved this, with football you can do both. Score a goal, find a killer pass, make a defining tackle-the individual becomes as big as they need to be-but within the framework of a greater body, the team. So identification is important to me-not to many others, but very to me. I want finer definition, rather than bland generalisations. I am of the human race-that perhaps surprises some-but it isn't enough, so scale it down, European? Certainly, but a 'yukky', (UK) comes first, then a Brit in front of that, then an Englishman, then a Londoner, (I still say I am from London), then I tease about being from a classy side-the west where I was born, even though my heart is in north London with Arsenal. It all becomes a little daft, I realise that, but am easily able to laugh at myself-my idiosyncrasies are hilarious, and consistent, though on the surface they may appear to contradict. The establishment, (have maintained lifelong opposition to it), want us to be unified as a group, the church lumped us all together, (which has diminished), now we have citizenship, wave a flag, (too many on the field-Billy Joel), and metaphorically stand for the National Anthem, (had to after the last film at the 'flicks'). You do know that the military are 'trained/encouraged' to refer to home as 'the UK'. A bland statement of 'I am coming to the UK.' prompts the question, 'Which country?', then establishing that, it demands a, 'Whereabouts?' All daft as I said, but alluding to me as a UKIP is even worse than calling me an AKB. perversely I am quite comfortable in being called an SOB by some. Power to the people-even the WOBs.

  15. Gaz

    Mar 06, 2015, 8:54 #68097

    CB, Daz and Babu on the same message board again! It's making me feel quite emotional:-)...

  16. Arseneknewbest

    Mar 06, 2015, 8:41 #68096

    Badarse - the meaning of what you write is often impossible to discern (were you reading Shoot magazine instead of concentrating during CSCE english?), but are you painting yourself as a little Englander in your latest offering? I bet you'll be voting UKIP in May. There wasn't much cultural fun to be had but my favourite away day will always be the 7-0 in Liege back in the 90's.

  17. Westlower

    Mar 06, 2015, 8:34 #68095

    @Ron, Saw Dave Mackay in my very first live First division game in 1961 when we lost 2-4 at the Lane. Most influential player ever to wear the Sours shirt. As join as the game kicked off he dumped little Joe Haverty into the crowd, before sticking his chest out and displaying a big grin. Doubtless, he'd be red carded often these days. Our present side would be unbeatable with him running the show. The Pat Vieira of his day.

  18. Ron

    Mar 06, 2015, 8:25 #68094

    For the odd visiting Spuds we see on here - RIP Dave Mackay. Only just realised he d passed on. Great player and man, skilled and teak tough. Oh for a young DM in a red shirt at Arsenal.

  19. Ron

    Mar 06, 2015, 7:45 #68093

    Kockney - hi mate. ha. that seems to be how it works over there doesnt it!.

  20. Babu

    Mar 06, 2015, 7:05 #68092

    Brilliant to see you again CB. Take it easy, mate. Legend.

  21. jeff wright

    Mar 06, 2015, 0:18 #68091

    Is that you Daz or an imposter ? Others of the SG have already said hi for sometime now . I will drop by at the weekend to say hello I only post a few musings on here now days and the odd post here and there on other sites . It's all getting to be a bit dull though with us all going around like rats on a wheel bitching and sniping over the same old points with nothing new happening under Arsene (yawn). We are stuck tuck in a time-warp like the spuds are albeit they have been in one for the last 50 years ! We just do the annual making up the numbers in the so called Champs League rather than the Ropey Cup as they do .Anyway see you later I'm off to get some kip I have to do some driving in the morning .Cheers.

  22. Kockney Gooner in New York

    Mar 05, 2015, 23:05 #68090

    Ron, regarding the beautiful state of Bavaria: "It's nice to be a Preiss! But it's higher to be a Bayer!!!!"

  23. Dazzler

    Mar 05, 2015, 22:54 #68089

    Yes, Jeff Wright, you!!!

  24. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 05, 2015, 22:16 #68088

    Did you know we have three more points after last night, that we did before.

  25. Dazzler

    Mar 05, 2015, 21:14 #68087

    Cannon Balls me old mucker - it is you isn't it? Come back to SG Forum down at the lane that time forgot where the road to success is always under construction!

  26. Ron

    Mar 05, 2015, 21:05 #68085

    Westie lad - he was maybe one of them loony right wing types that are quite common in parts of Bavaria. A lot of germans favour their old federal state first over Germany mate. Its an old historic thing goes back to the 19th C. Theyve got a few of their own dialects though so that tends to separate them in their mode of thinking. Suppose it could be that Bav is far bigger than all the other areas so they can get a bit 'proud' ha.

  27. Badarse

    Mar 05, 2015, 21:01 #68084

    Oh yes, always Bavarian. Mind you I get the needle when I'm referred to as a Brit in the States or in Eir -had to educate my newish sister-in-law a decade ago that I was English, no more, no less. On the subject of destruction of old city centres, we were humbled on a visit to Poland when in the old town of Warsaw we learnt that every building was a reconstruction, modelled on the exact replicas of the original buildings. The town was devastated in the war.

  28. Ron

    Mar 05, 2015, 20:53 #68083

    Rob Savage is a bit of a populist pundit, but its his ordinariness that makes him popular and like it or not, he is popular. Hes one of them who its fashionable to take the rise out of and he milks it, but he does see footie like many of the fans do.He doesn't take himself seriously either and others jibe him and he always takes it. The rest of the tele crew (or the 'failure squad' as Cloughie often termed them!)try and make football into a science with their silly gadgetry and they never smile like he does doing it. Sooner his brand of rot than theirs for me. Spent a match with him at Bham City yrs back with a few others on a bank Of Scotand gig there. Hes a funny humble sort of guy and very personable. I wdt mind RS being with my little crew on away days anyway!

  29. Westlower

    Mar 05, 2015, 20:51 #68082

    @Badarse, On being driven from the airport I dropped a clanger when I made the observation that there were a lot of new buildings in the Bremen area. My German host said " Yes, you bombed the original dwellings." Oooops! On another visit to the Munich area I offended a restaurant waiter by addressing him as German. "I am not German" he retorted, "I am Bavarian." Lesson learned!

  30. Ron

    Mar 05, 2015, 20:40 #68081

    Hi Jamie - no mate. not been to Breman on footie trips. Hamburg in 06. Munchengladbach about 20 yrs ago? Dortmund in 2001/2 time. Great trips. We beat Hamburg and Munchen. Cant recall Dortmund score. A loss i think? Get over to Mannheim quite a bit and go to Frankfurt from there. Love Mannheim.

  31. Badarse

    Mar 05, 2015, 20:15 #68080

    Have friends-will be seeing them in April-in Bremen 24601, a nice town. I love the northern European towns in Germany and the Netherlands, (where my brother lives), they are so culturally pleasing, a bit like this site, with the hairy-arsed brigade. Oh no, I've probably awoken them from their slumbers. Thought young Carl looked wired.

  32. Westlower

    Mar 05, 2015, 19:41 #68079

    @Jamerson, I share your love of Bremen. Visited a few factories/suppliers in Germany and often stayed in Bremen & Stuttgart. It's a beautiful country.

  33. jjetplane

    Mar 05, 2015, 19:09 #68076

    What did poor old Robbie ever do to you! like the stuff on tight angles - Van Basten, RVP (Dutch thing) and a lovely one from Lallana against Citeh which was offside. Sanchez has oodles of that through the needle stuff. Perhaps he could coach a few of the others. Tomas is also good for it. My restraint is shocking/caving .....

  34. Badarse

    Mar 05, 2015, 18:41 #68075

    One amusing aspect from last night was the commentator's pronouncement on Alexis. He wanted to write the script that Alexis had missed again, and had been tucking away such chances in previous matches before his eight game drought, a moment later he had scored. The script was binned. Now upon inspection the chance that was missed was almost a goal. Alexis made a decision and it was a fingertip away, (well a hand anyway), of being a perfect execution, and a goal. The goal he did claim was from such an acute angle it defied logic. The point is players do drift in and out of form, and sometimes the ball goes in and sometimes not-they are not always connected. There are profitable sequences, and absences of them. Generally players play and shoot by instinct. Some make a habit of working the ball into specific positions and mostly know exactly where they will place the ball, George Best and Denis Bergkamp spring to mind. Usually though, especially with but a micro second's deliberation, the ball is struck at the goal in a reasonable area, and the striker hopes. On those damnable occasions it strikes a keeper's arm, but on others it passes between a keeper's legs-how often do we see that? Those occasions are not because the scorer decided to ice the cake by nutmegging the keeper when putting the ball in the net. Chance! It's the pundits and sensationalist commentators who want to write a story when there isn't one. Ask westlower about chance-it's why clots like Robbie Savage is earning a very good living by talking-up this kind of nonsense. Am never offended my Dark Lord-whoops, forgot to let jeff out of the cupboard.

  35. jjetplane

    Mar 05, 2015, 18:36 #68074

    How long does your work placement at AKB tower last? Management seem to be on gardening leave alot. Abou Westlower and Jack Badarse .......

  36. Hiccup

    Mar 05, 2015, 17:50 #68073

    Third is the new fourth! Love it! Yes, another much needed win. Much needed for what I'm not too sure? If we finish 3rd, then I will concede that jamie deserves another season of dreaming excuses up and westie has earnt the right to keep providing the bookies odds of us... finishing third?

  37. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 05, 2015, 17:01 #68071

    jw, 71697, your last statement is spot on, the spin machine is in overdrive (again) and it's working wonders.

  38. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 05, 2015, 16:36 #68070

    Tony Evans, the question is let him go where, having held on to him for so long in the failed attempt to be proved right, TOF will not like to be proved wrong, so don't be surprised to see him shoe horned into the backroom team doing what only God knows (maybe taking tours of the medical department and giving lectures on how each machine works)on £40k a week of course.

  39. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 05, 2015, 16:15 #68069

    Red Member, it's not very often we disagree but for me there's nothing that would give him a stay of execution.

  40. Ron

    Mar 05, 2015, 16:10 #68068

    Jamie - have a good un in Monaco mate. As much as the CL doesn't tweak my interest too much these days some of the best away visits ive had have been for those games. The Germany games have always been the faves for me.

  41. jjetplane

    Mar 05, 2015, 15:51 #68066

    Nice RON and those AKBs are dead casual on the attendances - guess it's the trickle down passion they lap off the floor from their masters. So Simeone is up for the Citeh job! Makes a lot of sense and Maureen will be dreading it. Don't imagine it would cause Wenger to blink as he is only in the game for concise consolidation (C C C...) and with third the new fourth his main concern is the .... new fifth. I love Arsenal so much but going to see them is somewhat crude - I mean Holloway darlin' ..... JAMERsON you are coming off looking the effeminate one in your battle with JW. Suit you Sir! oooooh.

  42. jeff wright

    Mar 05, 2015, 15:43 #68065

    JJ, I had a look at Wenger's 72 points for 4th place that Wenger claims that we need to secure 4th place .After he twice last weekend worked out that we were 4 points adrift of Manchester United when in fact we were a point ahead of them I take anything he says mathematically with a pinch of garlic. Looking at the maths involved to win these mythical 72 points we need 18 points from 30 left to play for . 9 of those are Liverpool at home,Chelsea at home,United second last game away. We won only one point from these three sides in the first half of the season losing to Chelsea away,United at home and a draw with Liverpool away. There is no sign that these sides are playing worse that what they were when we last met them so a big quantum leap of faith is required to see any big improvement in what our results are likely to be in what will be big pressure matches against them. We are in reality only likely at best to get 3 or 4 points or even less than this to add to whatever we win from the 7 games against the lesser sides .Beating all of them looks as though it may be required for us to get 4th place because Wenger's 72 points looks suspect to me .I would say that 74 is more likely to be needed with Liverpool and United both capable of also winning points off the lower sides and getting something off us as well . All of this 2nd place claims for us is just pie in the sky City have an easier run -in than we do and with ten to play a 4 point advantage and a better g/d that is also worth a point .They have 5 games at home all against lower class sides .Whereas two of our 6 home games are Liverpool and Chelsea.

  43. Ron

    Mar 05, 2015, 15:38 #68064

    Good lad Jamie - Not sure a game v a relegation cert motivates too much to produce a sermon? Have a word with Badarse though and i ll lay odds on he ll give you one. Ill reserve any deeper views on us until after the game on Monday night when we re at Salford Quays doing the usual post mortem. I'm betting its a cert that such 'loyal support' as that seemingly craved and preached by such pilgrims as yourself, Westie and Badarse wont be anywhere near the road to Manchester on Monday night. It s a fairly commonly held view you know, that those who preach loyalty the loudest don't attend the games.Strange one! Is it just that such paragons are the most self concious about not attending the games and need to outwardly present fake loyalty so to compensate for that? Or, is it though perhaps the case that such loyal pilgrims are just fakes per se? I think a few of us on here have already worked out which explanation best fits, to some of you more than others perhaps.

  44. jjetplane

    Mar 05, 2015, 15:03 #68061

    Final 4 places: Chelsea, Man City, Liverpool, Southampton. Europa fodder: Spuds, Man Utd and Arsene FC. I ****ing love the PL! JAMERSON where is everyone meeting for the march? is it up on FB yet? What is Sanchez's agent up to? Gabriel seen talking to Diaby using sign language. Two fingers means another contract ....

  45. jeff wright

    Mar 05, 2015, 15:01 #68060

    Jamerson ,I have posted about Wenger's shortcomings and so did Ron. Not sure why you are getting all worked up in a lather over refs not giving penalties, it's probably though due to the forthcoming visit we face to the theatre of drama queens, although seeing as we have had our fair-share of these calls go our way this season it looks a bit hypocritical to go on about others having the same good fortune. I reiterate my view that a video 4th official needs appointing to bring the game into the modern era. You do make the old mistake however of assuming that a penalty means a goal when referring to the result of a game,they should have had a penalty doesn't mean they would convert it when in fact ,they often get saved or missed. Though to be fair if refs gave penalties for shirt pulling in the goal area then there would be dozens given every week and some against us .Blatant fouls such as Keystone KOP Kos did in the Everton game to stop the Everton player from running in on our goal when Kos realized he was going past him but are just as bad these things go on all the time by all sides Prem football is a pro-sport not a ladies amateur tennis game . We have to accept that this perfect chocolate box type of justice that you seek is a two-edged sword and get on with things by defending better and taking more of the chances that we get in big games ,such as the Monaco one and others where the refs decisions did not have any impact on the outcome. As I have said before some you win some you lose regarding these refs decisions.You only whine about the ones we don't get though,hey what a big surprise ! You couldn't make it up.

  46. Bard

    Mar 05, 2015, 14:52 #68059

    Baddie sorry mate couldn't resist. No malice intended posted with respect.

  47. Dan h

    Mar 05, 2015, 14:22 #68058

    Yes Tony sadly the injury league is the one we regularly top!West the ref bottled the penalty on Ozil and it would of been a certain red card.Solid performance last night,be interesting to see who is 'appointed'ref Monday night!

  48. jjetplane

    Mar 05, 2015, 14:17 #68057

    Told you the doping queen could not resist putting up a few numbers at another 'convincing' away win against who? And his favourite Horse (with tattoos) romps away again and all is roses. You would have it in for the non-league as you are just another tourist at the Wok who can not be bothered to go (once this season is it?) but yes you are definite Arsene Fc fodder .....

  49. savagestar

    Mar 05, 2015, 14:04 #68055

    Excellent report from the evergreen David Oudot. It was good to see the Gunners grind out a victory in a cold night at Loftus Road and an excellent pic to boot.

  50. jeff wright

    Mar 05, 2015, 14:04 #68054

    So why did the season go wrong for Arsene >? In my view it went wrong before it started.Wenger should have been on the job back here after a short holiday to get things organized for the new season insead of galavanting about in Brazil for weeks making a fool of himself on French TV and on the Coca-cabana beach playing net ball,a game best left like hockey to girls. Wenger's failure to sort out the defence properly ,selling Tommy Vermin and not replacing him,relying on a clapped out CB in the BFG who had been well exposed as being past his best in Brazil being the main problem. Although the left back position and GK one are not good enough either for a title challenging side. Starting in midfielf with the pastt it pair of has beens,or never was beens, Arteta and Flammy and taking another futile punt on Diaby returning ,he last 60 minutes in one game and then disappeared back to the medical centre was also other big mistakes. Wenger gets away with having lightweight injury prone midgets like Jack and Rambo because he has so many of them, they constantly go down like flies sprayed wih DDT but as soon as a couple are crocked another two reappear it's a revolving door scenario the injuries one. That's why I don't see how it can be used for an excuse for the failure to mount a title tilt again this season. The hanging on to Diaby and others such as Mertesacker ,he has cost us points,Arteta another and the useless Flammy ,Chesnay in goal a pair of duffers in Gibbs and Monreal at LB are some of the reasons why we failed to compete for the title in the Prem. Wenger's lack of any tactical plans are another big one old Sir Ferguson knew his limatations in this important sphere and was not too proud to employ top coaches to help him out. Wenger's autocratic nature will not allow him to do this and he pays the price,along with us supporters for it. I asked recently when was the last time that Wenger was in a position to mathematically win the title on the last day of the season? It was actually before 2004 the last title winning season for Wenger a season when we had the title sewn up before the last day.So really this season is just like all the others since then,all just about getting 4th place and anything else a bonus.If Wenger was really serious about trying to win the Prem then he would have done what his nemesis Mourinho did and knuckled down last summer to sort out his squad shift out the deadwood like Diaby and co and bring in new hungry for success players rather than time fillers ( yawn) and pick up the wages ones.

  51. Westlower

    Mar 05, 2015, 13:59 #68053

    Latest betting: Mondays game, Man U 11/8, draw 5/2, AFC 2/1. AFC to win FA Cup 100/30. Top 3 in PL; AFC 1/2, Man U 13/5, L'pool 9/2, Sours 20/1. @JJ, You still here? Hurry back to your 9th tier of football, as it's a level in keeping with your judgement of the beautiful game. Maybe you should have been a ref as the current crop are useless. Any refs out there able to tell me why Ozil wasn't awarded a penalty after being dragged back by his shirt in full view of the incompetent official? Are we still in the era where only Man U get the important decisions go their way? Fergie lives! I see our detached conditional fans, WOB's, are still moaning at every win. What a cowardly way to support your club. Fragile egos are us!

  52. Bard

    Mar 05, 2015, 13:51 #68052

    A big welcome to Paulista. Its good to see he is being initiated to life at Arsenal. Two games in he is now out with a predictably dodgy hammy for 3 weeks. We await with bated breath for more injury reports on our new signing.

  53. Roy

    Mar 05, 2015, 13:36 #68050

    Agree with SevenKings. Dodgy defending will cost us in those big games and we'll be in a scrap for 4th right up until the last game. Now, where have I seen that before ? As for last night, a fairly impressive spell in the second half even allowing for the opposition. Still hard to be confident about Monday, though. Basically they are where they are because of the keeper, and we are where we are through Sanchez. I hope that whichever one performs the best finds themselves in the semis, not just a Manure win because we've bottled it again.

  54. Badarse

    Mar 05, 2015, 13:26 #68049

    Bard that was quite funny, couldn't disagree with what you said either. I think you really know your stuff, and though it might be a trifle rude, believe you must have a very hairy bottom. Get back in the cupboard jeff!

  55. Tony Evans

    Mar 05, 2015, 13:03 #68048

    Never seems to be easy at the moment but a win is a win. Just noticed that the 'sick list' is creeping up again; was nearly down to only 4, but now a much more Arsenal like 8. I would love to know when we last had a fully fit squad to choose from - excluding Diaby of course. Speaking of which it looks like Wenger has finally given up on him and he will be 'let go' in the summer according to the gossip columns.

  56. King Jeremy

    Mar 05, 2015, 12:48 #68047

    @Redmember - 2nd place is only "acceptable" if it is acompanied by an acceptance of where the season went wrong and that it is treated as a platform from which to learn from and improve the following season. Sadly the mentality is more likely to be "good enough, let's do that again". Therein lies the problem of Wenger - near enough is good enough.

  57. Red Member

    Mar 05, 2015, 12:21 #68045

    the reason I think 2nd would be acceptable is that would be our highest finishing position for a decade (which is in itself unacceptable) I am just trying to be realistic. Obviously he should have already long gone but since he still hangs around like a bad smell I would have to accept finishing 2nd this season. Only of course if it meant that we would decide to kick on and challenge for the title next season.

  58. Baddie's router aka Bard

    Mar 05, 2015, 11:57 #68043

    Ed I rather take issue with the title 'job done'. As we know in life the job is never done, its an ever constant swing between yin and yang. In fact the football is a metaphor for life itself . We are all constantly wellied from pillar to post, only to end up at some distant point in the back of the net. We are all both winners and losers in the bigger scheme of things. I have always believed in a divine presence and I do think Wenger has that divine quality which is why I am loyal. I have also always been able to transcend the minor squabbles of everyday life and have a great love for all differences and opinions, except I should add anyone who disagrees with me.

  59. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 05, 2015, 11:30 #68040

    Kev, scrappy? that's exactly what it was, but it was job done again, but not against another relegation fodder side this time but relegation bound. QPR were woeful just the same as us last Wednesday, leaderless, all over the place, hadn't a clue, their probably still laughing at been tickled that much (with tickle sticks still stuck up their jacksies) by the big bad bullies, who showed us the speeritt and mental strength is back, i'm sure we all slept better last night knowing that. Primorac and Banfield are not much of an addition to have sitting anywhere, as for Gazidis and the others i guess they feel the same way as the fans.

  60. Hi Berry

    Mar 05, 2015, 11:15 #68038

    One week on and despite the 'we will learn from this defeat' soundbites following the inept defending against Monaco, Charlie Austin receives the box on the edge of the area with his back to goal - Gibbs backs off thinking the ball might be laid wide and Koscielny gives him the time and space to control the ball, turn and smash the ball into the net. A great second half performance put in jeopardy by ridiculous defending once again. When will we ever learn?

  61. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Mar 05, 2015, 11:08 #68037

    Austin's goal weren't the keepers fault, it was the fault of whoever backed off him, giving him the room. To quote The Don, the one and only Don Howe; "If you give good players time and space on the ball they will hurt you." I don't think QPR will go down, but only cos there are just three others worse than them.

  62. Gaz

    Mar 05, 2015, 11:08 #68036

    A game we should win and normally do. The three real tests are Liverpool and chelsea at home, and Utd away. Win all three and we'll be challenging for second/third. Win two of them and we're challenging for third/fourth. One and its a fourth place scramble, none and we're struggling to make the top four. Red Member-despite my total and utter indifference to it all the simple fact is that there's still something eating away at me that makes me want to enjoy supporting the Club again. I miss it-I really do. I miss the anticipation of games over the whole week, the going mental when we score and even that horrible feeling when we lose! 40 odd years of going through all of this on a regular basis is difficult to ignore...

  63. Seven Kings Gooner

    Mar 05, 2015, 10:59 #68035

    A good win and should have been 3 or 4 judging by some of the chances created in the second half. Then all that work nearly undone by the QPR goal, the one goal scorer they have is Austin, just look at the room he was given to turn and score (keeper?) it is the basic defending that will cost us against the better teams. To be so on top and to nearly throw it away, I just don't get it. ClcVc

  64. Ron

    Mar 05, 2015, 10:55 #68034

    Chris - i suspect a draw is likely v Man U in the Cup or maybe a scratchy win there even? Ive no logic to base this on, just gut feeling. I've again allowed myself to be persuaded to go. Masochist or what!!

  65. Alsace

    Mar 05, 2015, 10:53 #68033

    Red Member. Can't agree. If he won the League then he would have earned a stay of execution, but since he really isn't remotely trying to do that (which is why I want him gone) the issue won't arise. Man United Away in the Cup. Can Wenger summon the gumption to try and win something? Don't think so. The team are on their own, as always. Good luck to them. They try hard.

  66. chris dee

    Mar 05, 2015, 10:35 #68031

    Arsene will be doing well to hang on to third place so this win will have to be followed up by more positive results until the seasons end.But no surprise to see Gabriel taken off with a hamstring injury and being out for three weeks.It just wouldn't be Arsenal not to have a major injury would it?After all he is now an an Arsenal player now. I must get this of my chest and save time next Tuesday after the United match. After United have played s**t all season,Arsenal ,as they do in all big matches attacked with reckless abandon and allowed United to defend deep and then counter attacked leading to Rooneys goal.Di Maria who has had a shocking season was allowed the freedom of the park and looked as if he has regained his confidence. There you go,no need to post next Tuesday.

  67. GoonerRon

    Mar 05, 2015, 10:32 #68030

    A much needed win with all around us winning too and another potentially tricky away game chalked off. Good to see us find some fluency in the second which hopefully we can carry through to Monday when we twat Man U.

  68. Ron

    Mar 05, 2015, 10:10 #68028

    They looked quite assertive in the 2nd half but only after a goal but they've done so many times over the yrs against such opposition and only then to later crumble v better teams. They should be routinely beating such teams as Q P R. They're dead and buried more or less.

  69. Red Member

    Mar 05, 2015, 9:55 #68025

    I make my views clear on here and I am firmly in the Wenger out camp. In the unlikely event that we were to finish 2nd this season however even I would conceed that Wenger would have done enough to remain for the rest of his contract. 2 big home games v Liverpool and Chelsea will be very interesting this season.