How will Arsène Wenger approach the match at Old Trafford this evening?

Long trip home or singing all the way down the M6 and M1?



How will Arsène Wenger approach the match at Old Trafford this evening?

2011 Quarter Final - Another OT defeat


It’s interesting to look back sometimes and see if we can learn anything from what has gone before. I will admit to a lack of optimism about this evening’s visit to Old Trafford, and admire the many thousands of those travelling to the match willing to risk what could be a very long journey on the way home in the event of a defeat to Manchester United.

There is no doubt that in the visits since the Gunners’ last victory there, in late 2006, Arsenal have rarely performed well. There is an argument that the law of averages gives the visitors a chance of success this time around, added to serious doubts about the quality of Louis Van Gaal’s side. Regards the latter, that they were able to beat the Gunners in North London this season counters that particular argument somewhat.

I read again my pieces after Arsenal’s two FA Cup visits during the poor sequence to refresh my memory, in 2008, when they were hammered 4-0, and 2011, when the defeat was only half that margin.

In 2008 there was no doubt that Arsene Wenger was only too delighted to exit the competition. He fielded a scratch team, with the following days bringing the first leg of a Champions League game against Milan, and the visit to St Andrews to play Birmingham City in the game that saw the Gunners’ best chance of a title since 2004 begin to unwind. Both of these matches were drawn, and although Arsenal did progress in Europe by winning in Milan, the damage done by the 4-0 defeat in the FA Cup could surely not have done any good for the team’s general confidence. What ultimately undid that season were three things. The inability to hold onto leads, the struggle to win games against poorer opposition, and injuries to key players. If Arsenal had gone on to win either the league or the European Cup, then the sacrifice of the FA Cup may have been viewed on in a different light. Now, it looks like a mistake. Wenger had also thrown the League Cup not long before, with a humiliating defeat of another scratch line-up at Tottenham in the semi-final second leg, the game in which Adebayor and Bendtner came to blows.

Fast forward three years and we see a different approach. It was United that rested more players, fielding a line-up with defenders making up three quarters of the midfield quartet. Arsenal played a much closer to full-strength team, but were simply not at the races defensively and United won comfortably enough. Arsenal did play much better in this game, but were simply less clinical in front of goal than Alex Ferguson’s team. It is intriguing to see that Johan Djourou was enjoying a purple patch at centre back and his injury in this game seen as a real blow to Arsenal’s prospects for the remainder of that season.

What has seemed to develop is a psychological barrier for Arsenal when it comes to playing at Old Trafford. The other notable aspect of these defeats is that where defensive errors occur, they are pounced upon. Perhaps the Gunners do not play any differently from normal, but simply that when those mistakes happen, United are a team that will exploit them.

With reality dictating that this is the only trophy Arsenal have any chance of winning in 2014-15, this viewer is hoping for a disciplined performance from a switched-on, motivated, full strength side. Not the usual dirge we have witnessed from Wenger’s teams since 2006. To begin the game from a standpoint of not losing it would be a good way to approach things. I doubt that Louis Van Gaal will be resting anyone. Arsenal have to return to United in the league for a game that might prove critical in determining which of them can take part in next season’s Champions League, and tonight’s result might condemn the visitors in that game long before the date of the fixture. And for the sake of the travelling fans, it must be hoped that the Gunners buck the trend and come away with a place in the semi-finals at the end of this evening’s proceedings.

If you want to relive some dubious memories, including why Eboue and Denilson should never have been indulged as Arsenal players, happy viewing… the 2008 game is here, whilst the 2011 version is here. To end on a positive note, let’s go back 45 years to a 4-0 Arsenal win over United I stumbled across while looking for the videos above on YouTube. What we’d give to have a few players with that kind of character and determination on the pitch tonight…


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  1. goonercolesyboy

    Mar 10, 2015, 9:29 #68355

    Bard, you know exactly what I am talking about, hardly a WOB in sight.

  2. Bard

    Mar 10, 2015, 8:55 #68350

    Fantastic win, although it has to be said that Utd were terrible. Mom the ref. a couple of big calls he got right. What are you on colseybollox, I havent noticed a lack of posters. The AKBs are out in force for sure and why not, Im happy they get a day in the limelight before disappearing from whence they came.

  3. Seven Kings Gooner

    Mar 10, 2015, 8:55 #68349

    Hi Guys : still thought the ref would revert to type and give a pen at the very end but he booked the Manc for diving - absolutely brilliant! All Gooners everywhere were owed that performance by Mr Oliver, if only he had been the ref at "game 50", just imagine United would have been down to nine men and Rooney off for diving plus Arsenal would have completed a half century unbeaten! It was also good to see Wenger do the right things at the right time, had he not taken off Bellerin, that cheating diving Ashley Young would have finally got our young Spaniard his marching orders. I don't think we were brilliant but we were "ballsy" and I love that from my Arsenal teams. How about a statue outside our ground for Mr Michael Oliver "The man who cleaned up Old Trafford"

  4. goonercolesyboy

    Mar 10, 2015, 8:44 #68346

    Isn't it telling the lack of posters after such a great win? Just goes to show who keeps this site alive, the WOBS....mugs.

  5. Tony Evans

    Mar 10, 2015, 8:14 #68345

    Ron - not surprised your voice has gone - great away support which came over loud and clear on the tv. I would be the first to admit that I wasn't expecting us to win, which made it all the sweeter when we did!

  6. Tony Evans

    Mar 10, 2015, 8:03 #68344

    Haven't enjoyed a win like that for ages - hats off to the ref too for seeing through the diving and standing up to the intimidation.

  7. Ron

    Mar 10, 2015, 8:02 #68343

    What a night, what a ref! Throat still sore. Voice nigh on gone.Well done you Gunners and well done Arsene Wenger too. PS - lads - i told you we d do em 2-1!!

  8. Moscow Gooner

    Mar 10, 2015, 7:38 #68342

    Great win. For those of us of a certain vintage winning the FA Cup would mean far more than finishing 4th (again). Hull was great - beating the victims in the final, preferably 5-1, would be better. And maybe, just maybe. AW would then bow out on a high....

  9. julesd

    Mar 10, 2015, 5:23 #68341

    Oliver Holt Knows Best. Great away support you Gooners, very proud of you! Now do you believe Fergie had the officials in his pocket for all those years?

  10. Ozzie

    Mar 10, 2015, 0:52 #68340

    Hooray, the monkey is off the back - at last!! Anyone for cricket? :)

  11. Realist

    Mar 10, 2015, 0:44 #68339

    Jamerson- Agreed, but if Valencia hadn't gifted us our winner some of us would have been slaughtering our centre backs for the shocking defending that preceded their equaliser.

  12. Pete

    Mar 10, 2015, 0:33 #68338

    WE'RE GUNNER RULE FOR YEARS!

  13. goonercolesyboy

    Mar 10, 2015, 0:08 #68337

    Red member...hope you are skint.

  14. Realist

    Mar 10, 2015, 0:04 #68336

    Come off it, we weren't brilliant just decent. It was an even game till a poor Utd self-destructed, ref stood up well to their diving but Bellerin would have been sent off 8 times out of 10 for that rash challenge on Young. A typically lucky semi draw leaves us with an easy route to the final. Judge us in 8 days time.

  15. Tony pepe

    Mar 09, 2015, 23:23 #68335

    "dodgy defending cost united tonight" states the typical, cynical, twisted mind of the ever decreasing Jeff who's adamant that we were rather fortunate. Leave the future behind Jeff and accept that we have just witnessed yet another history making Wenger result that will never go away. Give the old record player a nudge Jeff cos the needle is well and truly stuck.

  16. Carlos

    Mar 09, 2015, 23:15 #68334

    Hats off, great performance, humble pie duly eaten. Good ref for a change

  17. Gooner89

    Mar 09, 2015, 23:02 #68333

    Great result, great performance, great ref

  18. Unchives

    Mar 09, 2015, 22:59 #68332

    Great Referee and Linesman @ Old Trafford....incredible!Post Fergie...well 5 mins added...not there yet.

  19. goonercolesyboy

    Mar 09, 2015, 22:44 #68331

    Driving home tonight down the M6 is such fun, beers everywhere. Tony Pepe, Badarse, .....respect.

  20. jeff wright

    Mar 09, 2015, 22:44 #68330

    Indeed they did TH14 well spotted ,I only reply to your posts due to your humbling modesty. A good result and as Ivan would say ,another day another dollar. The downside is that United only have that 4th place trophy now to play for and we have to go and play them again in May when it could be their cup final for that .So let's be happy with the result but not get too carried away with things this result doesn't change the recent spuds and Monaco ones and there are still a few twists and turns left before this season is over. Dodgy defending cost United tonight they were not unlucky any-more than we were when they beat us at the Emirates due to the same reasons . C'est la vie

  21. Alsace

    Mar 09, 2015, 22:43 #68329

    With something approaching sense is the answer. The team played well but the thing could not have been done without a referee who is as sick of Mancunian cheating as the rest of the nation is. Welbeck and Monreal both took their goals well. When we gained possession we were not wasteful with it. Well done to the team.

  22. Tony pepe

    Mar 09, 2015, 22:39 #68328

    Jeff. I bet my last tenner that every last word was typed with in your last post having been eating grapes. Quite sour ones eh. Jjetplane. Keep up the posts mate cos if you look at your comments after the fa cup draw in the last three rounds, it's all come back to bite you big style. Maguire. Sit, stay, fetch. jamerson, westie, goonercolesyboy, leeafc, badarse et all. This is why we support the Arsenal. We're gonna Wembley, we're gonna Wembley, they're not.

  23. HowardL

    Mar 09, 2015, 22:28 #68327

    I guess it's going to be an enjoyable trip down the M6/M1 - yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!

  24. Kockney Gooner in New York

    Mar 09, 2015, 22:18 #68326

    Boys and Girls! Dont care if you are WOB or opposite but beating Man U up there and with Spring at last coming here in NYC the Arsenal ex pats as well as the Cockney Sparrows are chearing and chirping repectively in the NYC early Spring evening! THE ARSENAL!!!!!!

  25. John F

    Mar 09, 2015, 22:11 #68325

    Utd would have struggled against the father ted 11.Great result and what a ref at last at old trafford can't believe it.All those little fouls they usually get away with were punished and the shameful diving as well.Montreal and coq were excellent. I was surprised Walcott did not get on I think his days are numbered.

  26. GoonerRon

    Mar 09, 2015, 22:11 #68324

    ****ING GET IN!!!!!

  27. Roy

    Mar 09, 2015, 22:11 #68323

    I've taken a few more minutes to take in that gobsmacking refereeing performance as well the result..................Now, what was it I was going to say ? Oh yes, that's it....YEEEEEEEES, YOU F*****G GET IN THERE ! How good does that feel after so long ?

  28. Badarse

    Mar 09, 2015, 22:10 #68322

    Well Carlos oddly enough I had the view prior to the game that Franny the Coq would be our main man-for me he was MotM. My wife and Charlie won the 'cake' and I was the faint heart going for an unbeaten and unbowed 1-1, ha ha. I got egg on my face but it was an extra large free range double-yolker. Hope you made a few bob 24601...and on the draw! Good points goonercolesyboy, I'm raising a glass to all Arsenal fans, even my dear friends the WOBs. Seriously gentlemen I asked for harmony-I think I got it, well done Arsenal!

  29. Th14afc

    Mar 09, 2015, 22:08 #68321

    What a result for the gunners!!they boys done well eh jeff?

  30. jeff wright

    Mar 09, 2015, 22:07 #68320

    Arsene proves again that when he takes the FAC seriously he can win it! He was even able to leave world class Olly on the bench and still nick a 2-1 win . A good semi-final draw for us that looks to me like its got Wembley ( albeit the semi is there as well but...) written all over it. Of course a 2-1 win in Monaco means curtains for Arsene again in the big eared jug one but at least he has the FAC again to help divert attention away from that nastiness if it happens.

  31. what did she wear???????

    Mar 09, 2015, 22:05 #68319

    Sssssshhhhhhhhh. Can you hear the anti's sing........ No.... No can you hear the anti's sing..... I can't hear a Jeffing thing..... Whhhhhoooooaaaaah.........ssssssssshhhhhhhh. Aaaaaaaaahhhhhh. Oooooooooo tooooooooo beeeeeeee aaaaaaaaa goooooooonnnnnnaaaaaaa.

  32. Mark from aylesbury

    Mar 09, 2015, 21:59 #68318

    Brilliant result football follows patterns and maybe the cup removed a mental barrier . Think back to Liverpool performance last year. The players will be going mental

  33. goonercolesyboy

    Mar 09, 2015, 21:58 #68317

    Great win, if it wasn't for De Gea it would have been more. Carlos, join the mugs brigade. Coquelin man of the match. Strong referee for a change, Utd tried to cheat yet again...mugs.

  34. Smithy

    Mar 09, 2015, 21:57 #68316

    Well done coquelin! Well done arsenal! Played well still not at top form but good in moments. Glad manure didn't fluke something !

  35. Westlower

    Mar 09, 2015, 21:54 #68315

    Come on you goal scoring, rip roaring Gunners. Just shows what can be achieved with an honest ref at OT. Wembleeeee, Wembleeeee! What did she wear?

  36. Paulo75

    Mar 09, 2015, 21:50 #68314

    Get In there!!!!!!!

  37. Roy

    Mar 09, 2015, 20:50 #68313

    Smithy you are right there. Any more of the same type of ball in that Rooney scored from could well prove our undoing. Someone has to take responsibility. Our Achilles heel.

  38. Smithy

    Mar 09, 2015, 20:33 #68312

    Our keeper is an accident waiting to happen!

  39. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 09, 2015, 19:22 #68311

    John F, Quite possibly, but I think if any of these players got caught in the ladies underwear department (especially Ozil, Giroud, x box jack, etc, they'd love it and feel right at home, and pay a hell of a lot more attention.

  40. Carlos

    Mar 09, 2015, 19:20 #68310

    Totally unbalanced side, Coquelin will be hung out to dry.

  41. Peter Mountford

    Mar 09, 2015, 19:20 #68309

    cheers Kev! saw you quote my text from 2011, i guess groundhog day is still with us- in the wider scheme of things- hope we can at least turn up at Old trafford tonight, really we should be capable of at least bringing them back to the Grove

  42. HowardL

    Mar 09, 2015, 19:02 #68308

    What's Johnny Radford doing tonight?

  43. John F

    Mar 09, 2015, 18:55 #68307

    MG Or the team might play as if they are caught in the ladies underwear department with father BFG tip toeing about and ducking and diving for cover. COYG

  44. Badarse

    Mar 09, 2015, 17:59 #68306

    Boots, of the brown cowhide, ankle length variety-check! Dubbin of the rusted tin kind-check! Shinpads of the Naturist's Monthly magazines, (cover boob shot, outwards facing)-check! Ventolin inhaler of the wind up kind-check! Athlete's Foot Powder, free prescription filled size-check! Complimentary airline sickbag-check! AKB Plan 'A' Book of Excuses-check! Comfort Blanket with the Mao Tse Tung motif-check! Pooh Bear Hot Water Bottle-check! Bag of Dolly Mixtures-check! Incontinence pads of the max size-check! Lucky Rabbit feet, eight pack-check! OK, I'm ready for this, are you?

  45. Torbay gooner

    Mar 09, 2015, 17:26 #68305

    Thanks for the links Kevin, good to see the 1970 game as I was too young to remember it. TBH, best I can see for tonight is a draw, but sooner or later we have to play well though don't we??

  46. jeff wright

    Mar 09, 2015, 17:12 #68304

    MG, yes it is the same old myopic view of things from Wenger there was nothing remotely unlucky about that 2-1 defeat to United it was just down to sloppy defending on the part of our players who often struggle to defend leads under Wenger's coaching ,even 4-0 and 3-0 ones, let alone 1-0 ! It's just deja vu this but it is a fact that you are more likely to get found out with poor defending against top players than you are against the lower types where you can get away with it more often than not. Wenger's sh*te record in Europe in not one of misfortune either but down to his ineptitude tactically to compete with his peers.This has gone on for donkeys years. Wenger's 5 FAC wins show that this is his real level and with a bit of good fortune he sometimes prevails in the old domestic cup.

  47. jjetplane

    Mar 09, 2015, 16:58 #68303

    Reading some stuff about LVG's coaching style which seems to be too much on the player's cases and that is why DB10 for one fell out with him. Fergy on the other hand would just buy the players to fit the team and let them get on with it. So his philosophy was one of freedom and so now we come to Wengerboy who appears to let them get on with it but I would guess having no real framework then such freedoms backfre in the big games. Looking at the sides tonight you see LVG's overloaded midfield who all look like they are on leashes attached to the boss, only this boss is still unfamiliar 'with the park.' Wengerboy on the other hand knows the park top to bottom so he throws the leads away and lets the midfield scatter. Somewhere in there will be a player (maybe not) who thinks '**** the managers' - I'm the new Dennis. Trouble is, last time that happened it was the whining Welshboy who broke cover for 11 seconds and ruined the night for Arsene. Maybe Sanchez will be the freedom fighter tonight. Just pray that LVG is too frightened to let the leads go. Well that was a load of bollox but I did take a 'knock to the head' this morning. You should see the ****ing door!

  48. Seven Kings Gooner

    Mar 09, 2015, 16:50 #68302

    Hi Kev - I think the usual Rooney goal awaits us, plus of course a nice generous penalty from the home ref. However Utd's defence (except the keeper) is very poor so we should create chances, 2 - 2 providing we don't make our mandatory defensive F... up's!

  49. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 09, 2015, 16:24 #68301

    jw, it makes a change he's taking it seriously,( there again we only have his word for that, and anyway he would say that) so I suppose his fans are now taking it serious as well. Yes he's been waffling on about that game at the Emirates and how we dominated and how we handed it to them on a plate, but still fails to see or grasp, or accept (or doesn't want to) why we did that. You couldn't make it up.

  50. Sam

    Mar 09, 2015, 15:49 #68300

    Wonder if there's any real belief in the team that they can win tonight. I question even the desire. I'm expecting another sedated, slow nothing performance with Wenger sitting in his idiotic coat with his head in his hands not subbing anyone until the 71sf minute. I want so much to be wrong but as the saying sez, it's the hope that kills you.

  51. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 09, 2015, 15:31 #68299

    Your right Kev, I don't think it's as much psychological although that certainly is a factor, it's as much because these teams and others can read TOF like a book and see him coming, and know exactly how he's going to set up and play, and like you've said know how to, and are very capable of exploiting it and have shown that on many occasions, and it will come as no surprise to many if it happens again tonight.

  52. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 09, 2015, 15:06 #68298

    I think we know the answer to that mate, unless bouldy locks him in the laundry bin like Father Jack did to Bishop Brennan in an Episode of Father Ted with a jock strap stuck in his gob(and the smellier the better)or the players take it upon themselves again like they did against the blue mancs to run the show.

  53. Johnnyhawleyloovinggooner

    Mar 09, 2015, 14:44 #68297

    we don't do well against long ball outfits, but you never know it is a cup game. Don't see how it decides who wins the CL places. Can we please not have writing over a full photo in the mag ,I find it very hard to read, the article on the goalkeepers is a case in point for me.it is all right for you youngsters...

  54. Tony Evans

    Mar 09, 2015, 14:18 #68296

    Wenger's pre match drivel appears to have confirmed it's going to be all out gung-ho tonight just for a change. Does not bode well but fingers crossed we might fluke it.

  55. jeff wright

    Mar 09, 2015, 14:10 #68295

    At least according to Arsene he will be taking the FAC tie seriously,and that must help! He admits to having not done so for years in the past though when the FAC ties were at the weekend and there was a more important (to himself) midweek Champions League game to play. This contradicts his previous claims of him having prioritized the FAC in the past ,but to Wenger contradicting himself is nothing new. Once again however Wenger is moaning at the injustice of losing the last game in the Prem at home to United in a game we dominated by possession . Asking how did we manage to concede those two goals to them>? A good question this I mean it's not as though shambolic defending is something that we are accustomed to seeing from teams that he coaches. The fact that Wenger is asking this question though and suggesting that it was unusual for our defenders to perform like Keystone Kops on something illegal is a cause in its self for concern. The saving grace is that United are not in great form themselves although they have conceded less goals than we have in the league and the FAC. It's looking like like a game that could go anyway probably a draw is the most likely outcome or a narrow one goal win for either side .

  56. Smithy

    Mar 09, 2015, 14:09 #68294

    How we should play or how do I think we we'll play! We should play 451 with only cazola or ozil on the pitch but not both. We should defend deep and play on the break. But we will play 3 up front, one in midfield and leave huge gaps in midfield and behind the full backs. I hope we can win it but fear we will lose two nil like we always do, one being from a manure dive in our box leading to a penalty.!

  57. Daniel Obakhena

    Mar 09, 2015, 13:26 #68293

    It's true that when it comes to matches involving Arsenal nd Manchester United, the game becomes so intense that the official will favour the home team most especially @ OT. But the fact is that, this time around will be different cos the gunners full of confidence, will rip 'em apart to show the world that the victory over City @ the Etihad is no fluke. #COYG

  58. Gooner 4 Lyfe

    Mar 09, 2015, 13:24 #68292

    Wenger the greatest ever!! Come on you Gooners!! Get stuffed the haters and Mac scum!!! P.s. 2-1 to the arsenal ;)

  59. Tony Evans

    Mar 09, 2015, 13:16 #68291

    Bard - love the gallows humour.

  60. Wear Your Colours

    Mar 09, 2015, 13:00 #68290

    Kevin you are right, the recent record at OT is pretty dismal. Perhaps it's time to get the balance right. The hand-brake ON when are parking the bus 30-yards around our goal; the hand-brake OFF when we have a rapid counter-attack. COYG!

  61. Red Member

    Mar 09, 2015, 12:55 #68289

    another humiliataion beckons. I will be betting on United so I have some stake money for the Cheltenham festival this week

  62. gn23

    Mar 09, 2015, 12:54 #68288

    Gut feeling is we will be disappointed once again come 9:30. Hopefully I'm wrong..

  63. Bard

    Mar 09, 2015, 12:52 #68287

    I think our game plan will be quite detailed and sophisticated. We will pile forward and see how it goes. substitutions around 75 mins or later regardless of the state of game.

  64. Bol w Riek Bell

    Mar 09, 2015, 12:34 #68286

    too late thinking from wenger always make looser

  65. Rob K

    Mar 09, 2015, 12:30 #68285

    Its games like this and Chelsea and Liverpool at home in the league later this season that Wenger and the team need to be judged on. Since 2005 we have gone missing for a variety of different reasons and or excuses. A win tonight would work wonders for the teams confidence for the league run in....As a Gooner I am always hopeful but doubt whether this team have the backbone and Wenger now has the tactical ability to come up with a plan B and C if A doesn't work in these bigger games. Is the Man City away result this season a fluke and a one off or can we build on it?? Up the Gunners!

  66. HowardL

    Mar 09, 2015, 11:57 #68284

    I hope you are right. The 2-0 cup win at OT was also pretty enjoyable.