Fourth place is still a ‘trophy’… for a few seasons yet

And Sky and BT Sport will be grateful for that



Fourth place is still a ‘trophy’… for a few seasons yet

Champions League: Everyone’s a winner (if they can get in the door)


In spite of a disappointing week for English sides in Europe, the recent news that the number of places available to Premier League teams in the Champions League is not under immediate threat will have come as some relief to those teams that annually battle it out for a spot in the domestic top four. For them it means the guarantee of a minimum of around £30 million extra income for taking part in UEFA’s blue riband competition (assuming the qualifying round is negotiated for the team finishing in fourth, which often seems to be Arsenal these days), and given the rising influence of Financial Fair Play, the extra income is welcome for clubs that now have to consider living within their means.

It’s also good news for Sky and BT Sport, given the huge amounts they have paid out for the domestic TV rights for live Premier League matches. Granted, Arsenal fans have come to scoff at Arsene Wenger’s infamous description of a top four place as being akin to a piece of silverware, but in the marketing of TV matches by broadcasters, the more that is at stake, the better.

Two things have changed significantly since the inception of the Premier League back in 1992, and both are related to income. The financial benefits of qualifying for the Champions League mean a far greater difference between finishing inside and outside the qualifying places (originally two, then three and now four). And the gulf between the earning potential of a Premier League and Championship club grows wider with every passing season. So some very high stakes to play for when it comes to the relegation battle.

This means that, with more at stake, more games matter, which makes for better TV drama in terms of live matches. If there were only two Champions League places to play for, the chances are that a lot of the games this season involving Arsenal, Manchester United, Liverpool, Spurs and Southampton would have held far less interest for the neutral and arguably even the fans of the sides concerned, with the idea that the top two places were already sewn up. In reality, Manchester City have hit a blip, so may not finish second after all, but fans watching games for most of the season would not have anticipated their drop in form and probably taken less interest in the matches of the teams competing for the other top four spots, if they did not have the reward of a Champions League place.

So undoubtedly, for the interest in the matches on TV and indeed in the flesh, the feeling that something is actually at stake is important. Many Arsenal fans have understandably grown a bit cynical about the battle for the top four, with familiarity breeding an element of contempt, but the reality is that as far as status is concerned, it does matter for a club of Arsenal’s reputation. We have seen how the Gunners’ recent Premier League matches have all become ‘must win’ games of late, with fixtures running out and a fairly low number of points separating the contenders for a Champions League spot. When Arsenal entertain Liverpool on their next fixture on Easter Saturday, they will be favourites (click here for William Hill’s football betting odds on forthcoming matches) to win a match that may well prove fatal for the visitors’ hopes of enjoying a second successive season back in the Champions League.

Looking at the Premier League table, realistically, only fixtures between three teams (Stoke, Swansea and West Ham) are completely meaningless. All those below could still, in theory, be dragged into the relegation battle, whilst all above will still harbour ambitions of a top four spot. When only pride is at stake, there is far less interest from a television audience, with the exception of a spicy local derby. And that is why that although the recent news about UEFA co-efficient rankings will have been welcomed by fans of those clubs with a chance of making the top four, it will have been of even more importance to Sky and BT Sport, given their huge investment in a product where every game has to matter.


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  1. jjetplane

    Mar 30, 2015, 13:14 #69408

    Aaah Macam land Know it well - lived up the road in Gateshead for quite some time - well familiar with the NE football scene right down to works teams! Will never forget a MiddlesBoro visit up there when we won 6-2 - that was a day and a half and we got chased. Have been to some grounds in the Highlands but was younger then so it was just a shirt and no jacket - sometimes .... Believe me the south coast is well cold and I survived a few matches up in Carlisle too!

  2. radfordkennedy

    Mar 30, 2015, 7:51 #69403

    Jjetplane...don't know about you mate but I think Roker Park was the coldest ground I ever went to,I'm sure I saw polar bears stealing people's scarves

  3. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 29, 2015, 21:18 #69402

    JJ, Mexican wave? it must have been full of AKB's but as long as they were entertained that's the most important thing regardless of the result.

  4. jjetplane

    Mar 29, 2015, 18:56 #69401

    Heard on the radio there was a Mexican Wave at the Emirates today during a very boring game ..... Good old Arsenal! Will it be the next big thing - Pie followed by Wave and then a snooze before catching the train 'on time.' Oh - and a goal from Olllllllie ...... depending who's up.

  5. maguiresbrige gooner

    Mar 29, 2015, 16:33 #69399

    The celebrations are in full swing at AKB central, and the open top bus parade leaves at noon tomorrow.

  6. jjetplane

    Mar 29, 2015, 12:34 #69398

    And that is what football means to an AKB ...... YAWNNNnnNN ....

  7. julesd

    Mar 29, 2015, 8:56 #69397

    Financial guide in Mail in Sunday. Arsenal debt £240m, wages £166.4m, 56% of income. Chelsea debt £958m, wages £193m, 60% of income. Man U debt £342m, wages £215m, 50% of income. Man City debt £67m, wages £205m, 59% of income. Spurs have no debt, wages £105m, 58% of income. Leicester debt £103m, wages £30m, 130% of income. Liverpool debt £127m, wages £144m, 56% of income.

  8. jjetplane

    Mar 28, 2015, 19:36 #69396

    Ha ha I do know that pub but I am 10 years on the wagon and never seem to go in pubs anymore. Wonderful place with a handful of very noisy Arundel supporters but this match was at home Eastbourne. Did go to their place last year. Our ground is the coldest ground ever!

  9. radfordkennedy

    Mar 28, 2015, 19:08 #69395

    Jjetplane...did u get in the Swan for a pint at the bottom of the hill from the castle walls by the river.

  10. jjetplane

    Mar 28, 2015, 18:46 #69394

    I think you will find the WOBS stick together unlike at AKB Central where staff morale is at an all-time low which is saying something after a decade statistical sludge. Still trying to work out if WESTIE dislikes Harry boy. Apparently they like him on South Pacific islands and the Himalayas. I guess the Pants billboards are the logical next step. Newsflash Ramsay off injured but will be back in time for the total collapse of Sanchez .... Great if Arsenal could get Bendtner back. That would shut the Spuds/Wobs up. Last but not least we drew and it were bloody cold and windy but we do have the advantage of being morally superior but not as hard working as some people on here ....

  11. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 28, 2015, 13:52 #69393

    Hiccup, didn't watch the match was out all evening, but driving home I was overtaken by seven red cars and met ten, bloody man yoo supporters.

  12. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 28, 2015, 13:42 #69392

    Exeter, and of course the pretty tippy tappy football regardless of the result.

  13. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 28, 2015, 13:12 #69391

    Gaz, good post, that's one thing Arsenal fans are very very good at (well some anyway and we know who, they're experts) forgetting and forgiving.

  14. jjetplane

    Mar 28, 2015, 12:51 #69389

    Kane and Rooney are a credit to their country. True fighters. Why don't the French big up our Oliver who is also a modest chap (now?) like everyone's Harry. Gotta laugh at the AKB line of 'we hate Tottenham' and have not been there since the early 70s. That's some hatred ..... anyone ever read Kevin Sampson's Awaydays - great read on casual 80s .....

  15. radfordkennedy

    Mar 28, 2015, 12:19 #69388

    afternoon all...for a short while last night England's striker partnership was Kane and Welbeck,I can't remember the last time Arsenal and Spurs lead the line can anyone remember?

  16. Badarse

    Mar 28, 2015, 10:35 #69387

    Who's Harry Kane? Be lucky 24601, have a good season, if it's as good as Arsenal's you'll be doing just fine.

  17. Seven Kings Gooner

    Mar 28, 2015, 9:59 #69386

    Good morning Ron : You were spot on with the "Harry Kane" show - loved the shot when the camera panned to Greg Bike cheering as Harry Hotspur netted England's fourth. As you say he seems a decent lad bit like an English Bendtner without the attitude. I genuinely believe most 1st division teams would qualify in England's group, also probably unbeaten.

  18. Gaz

    Mar 28, 2015, 9:31 #69385

    Thanks Hiccup although I tend to avoid mirrors as much as I can nowadays!!!...

  19. Westlower

    Mar 28, 2015, 8:42 #69384

    What a media circus surrounding Kaneland, formerly known as England. The FA have got their Beckamesque role model & it'll be done to death. They'll build the poor sod up to levels he'll never attain. Lineker already talking of him beating Bobby Charlton's goal record. It won't be long before there's a racehorse & greyhound named Harry Kane or Hurrykane? The FA/Media Kanewashing is with us, somebody pass the sick bucket. Sunday papers will be full of Kane to Man U stories. Daniel will justify the sale because he has a new ground to fund. Kane is King but give it a couple of years and the headlines will be broken Kane. Final thought, what a sh*t side Lithuania are. Well folks the racehorse flat season is here & will be demanding my full attention, so for now it's goodbye from me, goodbye from myself & goodbye from I. COYG.

  20. jjetplane

    Mar 27, 2015, 22:55 #69383

    Great posts there and BARD I shall read and read again. You know how to make us dim WOB's see how societies fluctuate/flagellate/Fellati..../Fellini (perverse wing back) and so yes - just saw Wild Tales (Argentine sub titles) and it was, as the Irish say; 'a cracker!' JAMerSON your brother needs to meet Mike Leigh for a remake of Meantime. Now, about this mad hippy wot wrote Thus Spake .... Bet he thought Manchester was beyond Good and Evil .... Enough! To the Lighthouse/Mountains ladies and Gentlemen ..... Arundel tomorrow - wonder if they still pour oil off the ramparts - Come on!

  21. Ron

    Mar 27, 2015, 21:47 #69382

    Ha ha . Good one Hiccup. Mate that glenda hoddle knows some stuff doesnt he? He must have titles and World cups galore under his belt seeing as footie s so easy for him?

  22. Gaz

    Mar 27, 2015, 21:37 #69381

    Thanks EG, that's cleared it all up for me!...

  23. Hiccup

    Mar 27, 2015, 21:03 #69380

    I've googled it Ron. Kane's parents bought an hamster from a pet shop in Salford.

  24. Ron

    Mar 27, 2015, 20:11 #69378

    HICCUP - .....there must be a link between Kane and Manchester Utd though to set their juices flowing? Westie, anything in the archives? Has he ever visited the Trafford Centre with his parents? Visited the Corrie studios? Anything that we can text in to help them.

  25. Hiccup

    Mar 27, 2015, 20:00 #69377

    Westie. Looks like the bookies have got it all wrong. All I've heard so far is Harry Kane, and he's not even playing!

  26. Hiccup

    Mar 27, 2015, 19:49 #69376

    Gaz, Gaz, Gaz. If ever there was a "I want it all, and I want it now" post, that was it. Now go and re read the eloquent post from Bard. Take it in, grasp its content, and then take a good look at yourself. Use a mirror if necessary. While society is in this state, what hope is there for the team? Think of what can you do for the team, not what can the team do for you. Me, me me syndrome. Stick with us son, we can get through this.

  27. Ron

    Mar 27, 2015, 19:43 #69375

    R/K - Ha Ha. Watch the Harry Kane show mate, you know you want too!! You do have to laugh at the way they build them up here. Young Harry is clearly a sound lad and a massive tryer and a damn useful league player, but potential international tourny talisman hes not is he. Yes mate. thats sound good re Southern France. Off to the Loire in Sept, nr to Tours. Not many Countries match Fr for me. Not a big fan of any Fr wine mate. The Aus and S Am did a fine job stealing their grapes and mixing with their own to make far superior wines. To me anyway. The Fr producers have been too stubborn to react and let go of old worn out methods of their own now. Remind you of you of anybody from Fr? Henry 1V and the Vs successors have much to answer for letting them get it back!. I know its important not to equate those 'nice' Parisians with the rest though to be honest but they dont value what theyve got there in Fr in my view. We re doing 2 man stuff tomorrow. Been to Broadway. Its as you say.

  28. Westlower

    Mar 27, 2015, 19:40 #69374

    @Hiccup Late drama! I need you to do the tally count because I'm watching with the sound muted. Unless semaphore is being used on ITV I'm b*ggered!!

  29. Ron

    Mar 27, 2015, 19:26 #69373

    EG - it could be taken beyond even that by arguing that qualifying from 4th opposed to 3rd is the secretly preferable route, notwithstanding the noises from the Club about the pesky August matches, its another pay day is it not?

  30. radfordkennedy

    Mar 27, 2015, 19:26 #69372

    Ron..ha mate Eddie mcg,I've seen plenty booed off at Highbury,but he was the only one booed on!!...have a great time fishing and canoeing mate,luv all that stuff myself I did some 2 man kayaking some years ago on the river ardeche in southern France,great scenery crap wine....where your going is God's country though mate,not far from there is a place I like to start walks from called Broadway and at the top of the hill before you decent into the valley there's a viewpoint where you can see for miles towards where you are going..have fun mate..can't make my mind up whether to watch tonight's game or slash my buttocks and sit in a bowl of lemon juice

  31. Badarse

    Mar 27, 2015, 19:22 #69371

    Mag that is holding the club to ransom-so there! Oh, and I made that up, so double there!

  32. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 27, 2015, 18:38 #69370

    Bard, and the AKB's would actually try and have us believe that's not holding the club to ransom, they truly would believe anything. You couldn't make it up.

  33. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 27, 2015, 18:29 #69369

    Will try and clear up the confusion, Gaz. The 2-0 away leg win took the heat off Wenger, whilst still clearing the fixture list of ECL matches, in order to focus on qualifying for next season's ECL. It really was the ultimate victory. Remember - it's not winning that counts. It's not even taking part that counts. It's qualifying to take part that counts.

  34. Ron

    Mar 27, 2015, 18:18 #69368

    R/K - Never mind Geordie or Limpar, ill retain a greater regard and memories of Ray Hankin and Eddie McG than of Walcott. Those guys produced little but gave it a hell of a shot.

  35. Gaz

    Mar 27, 2015, 17:54 #69367

    I'm confused! Seems like the defeat to Monaco hardly registered with most of our fans. Yeah there were a few angry fans initially but in the main most supporters seemed to forget about it pretty sharply and were more than 'happy' that we'd simply won a game and restored some 'pride'. Heres the the thing though. These same people are now absolutely willing us to finish in the top four so that we can effectively enter the same competition that this season showed we have little chance of winning and for good measure included our worst European performance under Wenger!!! Hell yeah, this modern day football sure does suck at times!!!...

  36. radfordkennedy

    Mar 27, 2015, 17:25 #69366

    Jamerson...your brother Pete was in the herd!!..your surname isn't Frampton is it...on the subject of Theo..if he can't get the poppy he wants at Arsenal then he's pretty much free to go where he wants for more money,and good luck to him, who cares,will people really think of him in the way they do about wee Geordie,Limpar or Overmars no they won't..people should have hurled abuse at the directors and manager when young Ashley came back,he in my opinion is one of the best full backs we ever had..if not the best..and he deserved the money he wanted..but Theo who cares really,let's be honest forget the boys of Bridego Bridge back in '63 he's already pulled off a great robbery if he doesn't get another penny off us

  37. Bard

    Mar 27, 2015, 17:23 #69365

    The Walcott situation mirrors the decline in society's values. He hardly puts in a decent shift and he wants to increase his salary. What is the world coming to I ask? And I reply, I dont know. But as I ponder the imponderables, i see the sky is blue and the birds are singing. My mind wanders to the question of should we sell him or keep him. The situation is similar to the way society ebbs and flows between buying and selling. What does it mean I ask myself and I reply again, I dont know. But this not knowing is comforting because in the end the only certainty in life is that Arsenal will never win a league title under Wenger. Here endeth the lesson. The most reverend Bard

  38. Westlower

    Mar 27, 2015, 16:47 #69364

    @Hiccup, It's even money they mention Man U more times than England. Tally counter at the ready. Sure to mention that Danny Welbeck used to play with Rooney at......

  39. Hiccup

    Mar 27, 2015, 16:24 #69363

    Latest odds on tonight's international: Commentator to mention England under 100 times during the game 4/5; between 101 and 110 times 6/4; over 111 times 10/11. Most mentioned player: Wayne Rooney 1/4; Brian Robson 2/1; Norman Whiteside 10/1. A 'mention' only applies during game time by the commentator or co-commentator. National anthem and warm up 'mentions' do not count, neither do any 'mentions' by the pundits at half time. Fans singing Ing-er-land do not count either. Terms and conditions apply. Please count sensibly.

  40. Ron

    Mar 27, 2015, 16:14 #69362

    Ha . Westie - used to do the maggot thing as a kid. It is lovely there. Its a fantastic river the length of it as is the Severn. Wye is better for canoeing though i think. Heading off at 5.00 am tomorrow. Riverside lodges to kip in. Mott? - takes me back a bit. Used to have a mate who sort of imagined he was Ian Hunter. Dressed like him, the hair and shades etc. So funny, though he fooled a few young ladies with his guise. Mind you i had another mate who was the image of Frank Worthington. He used it to effect. Our role (as 'team mates') was to tell the girls we met that were secretly out late with 'Frank' but they weren't to tell anybody as we had a big match at Old Trafford the next day! Great times mate. PS So thats where Shane used to take Liz Hurley then? Bet he didnt see much of the river bank!

  41. goonercolesyboy

    Mar 27, 2015, 16:08 #69361

    Badarse, I'm her yesterday man, great song that, written by Chris Andrews in 1965, thanks Google. Will stroll down to Bubbas to watch Engerland in a while and see who plays up top. Not sure about this idolising of Kane, next year will be more of a guide me thinks. Bog standard 2-0 win probably, there ain't no easy game anywhere nowadays, contrary to what many think on here.

  42. Badarse

    Mar 27, 2015, 15:49 #69360

    Enjoy your big dollop of sunshine goonercolesyboy. I am a real sun bunny, and with a good book like, 'How to Advance Beyond Being a Speedo Intellectual, (wear shorts)', a nice cool drink, and a thought of dinner yet to be, I am on a plateau. Wish I was there. Got attacked for posting to you yesterday, but that's what they are, yesterday's men.

  43. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 27, 2015, 15:24 #69359

    Hiccup, and don't forget practising turning their backs on him, there's no need to worry about missing anything he'll probably fall over anyway.

  44. Westlower

    Mar 27, 2015, 15:20 #69358

    @Ron A tip from an old fisherman before your weekend on the Wye. If you want to keep your maggots lively, place them under your tongue a few minutes before you put then on the hook. But a health warning, don't do it with dyed coloured ones, only natural ones. The dye caused many a death from cancer later in life for some. Who said fishing wasn't exciting? We had a wonderful weekend at Ross-On-Wye many years age. Watching Peregrine Falcons was a highlight. Beautiful area. Two of the original members of Mott The Hoople were from Ross-On-Wye. They've even got a cricket team there & Shane Warne has a home there.

  45. Ron

    Mar 27, 2015, 14:06 #69357

    Hi Westie lad - brilliant for yr mate. Im envious Westie but i keep battling on! Was playing some Verve stuff last night. Sounds good, but easy playing!! My sort of liking. So many songs , forgotten many of them. Just read that stuff re big Club rubbish in the Mail. Have you seen it? Pinnochio Thompson doesnt like it that the Arse been deemed 'bigger' than Liverpool and hes frothing as he does ha. Bobby Moncur sums Liverpool up though! Hes 70 now and states the killer blow - Liverpool = 'they were nothing pre Shankly'. So true mate isnt it. Admitttedly theyve had a great 30 yrs of history but little before or after really. Great Club nontheless but those 30 yrs 1970s, 80s - 1990 cloud the Liv fans thinking a bit. Mind you, i wdt mind the Arse having their Euro pedigree!!

  46. Westlower

    Mar 27, 2015, 13:52 #69356

    @Ron, My Austrian Gooner friend has been having guitar lesson & he performed at a concert in Vienna last night with his teacher & others. He said the highlight was a jam session of Hey Jude. Meanwhile back at the ranch here's some oldie NLD melodies: We won 5-0, we won 5-0 at the Lane, It was easy, it was easy at the Lane; My old man said be a Tottenham fan, I said f**k off, b*llocks, you're a c**t; Bye bye Tottenham, bye,bye, f**k off Tottenham, f**k off; Terry Venables's illegitimate, he ain't got no birth certificate, he's just a Tottenham bastard; The wanky Tottenham Hotspur...who's that singing for the Arsenal; 1-0 down, 2-1 up we knocked Tottenham out the cup; We beat the scum 1-0; Let's all laugh at Tottenham; Donkey won the Derby. For the young guns benefit, donkey was Tony Adams. PC didn't exist back before the Yanks adopted England.

  47. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 27, 2015, 13:51 #69355

    How disappointing you still adjudge so, Oracle, for I of course bow down before your words, recognising that you are on higher plane of understanding than myself, see more than I do. However, I strive to open my eyes, on the cusp of enlightenment: You say the 'fundamental glitch in comprehension' is 'the crux of the discord and disharmony amongst fans'. In other words, (if you will permit me to put this in more earthly language) if only we understood what you understand, then we'd see that you are right.

  48. Opti Mystic

    Mar 27, 2015, 13:18 #69354

    No, but some of us pray daily for a cure to that awful condition: sanctimonious claptrapus

  49. Badarse

    Mar 27, 2015, 12:42 #69353

    Anyone else have a vision of E/G and Ron holding hands with their eyes shut?

  50. goonercolesyboy

    Mar 27, 2015, 12:38 #69352

    Nice to wake up with the time difference and see the early morning thread. Badarse speaks wisely yet the herd cannot see past their ingrained negative thought process and nod in agreement. I appreciate the differing of opinions, but have yet to see many of the herd write a positive post on Arsenal FC. Is it really that bad? Are we not moving in the right direction? Onwards and upwards. Ah the sea looks inviting and the temperature is already in the 80's. Happy days.

  51. wallieson

    Mar 27, 2015, 12:17 #69351

    Im hard and i was the bloke who invinted the ofside rule. Oh and Im not a WUM who realy suports another team either.

  52. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 27, 2015, 12:16 #69350

    Hiccup, and won't it be even more hilarious if he does go or flogged we hear, I have had numerous discussions with arsene and Ivan and I have come to the conclusion arsene and Arsenal aren't going in the direction I think they should, and aren't showing the same ambition as myself and aren't buying the type of players a club like Arsenal should have, therefor it is with great regret I have decided to move on and further my career by winning medals and silverware elsewhere.

  53. jjetplane

    Mar 27, 2015, 11:40 #69349

    WESTIE you old honourary WOB! Arsene does not need a front line when he has one hundred no 10s who love to drift in with hands on hips and their knitting needles in their mouths. Is that the Oracle now bigging up Wally mythology when normally you slag him like everyone else. Welcome to the Herd and if you were that much of a gooner you would understand the word - up ...... Will the beard go?

  54. Ron

    Mar 27, 2015, 11:32 #69348

    Oh Dear, Freidrich moves amongst us. Its a football site Badarse. Do you really consider your narcissistic asides are appropriate on here? Quite a few on here i venture are pretty well educated and maybe read a little of Nietzshe et al back in our heady Student days. Fortunately, those who did never thought they would morph into him. Give it up fella. Theres truly little worse than fraudulent intellectuality. It looks silly.

  55. Westlower

    Mar 27, 2015, 11:13 #69347

    Walcott's stats are laid bare in today's Mail & it doesn't make for good reading. Alexis goals have dried up since Giroud returned to the side. He scored 8 when playing up front with Welbeck but only 3 with Giroud. Scope for improvement me thinks! The Arsenal gospel spreads far & wide. Tony Adams, the horse is not a donkey, as he won by 10 lengths at Gulfstream Park, Florida yesterday. He cost $600,000 and was bred by the University of Florida Foundation. Now, that's what I call a proper education system. And your name is? Westlower, reading the Racing Post & Gooner mag.

  56. Ron

    Mar 27, 2015, 10:59 #69346

    Hiccup - the Walcott apparent conundrum is one Arsenal need to look at in a cold and honest way. Is it really a conundrum though? Hes made 130 or so league appearances in 9 seasons so plus 50 or 60 sub cameos. Hes available therefore for about 20 matches a season. His best of the 9 saw him score 14 lge goals. Hes 26. Inevitably he ll lose his one asset - pace. This will leave him over the next 2-3 yrs and his return will reduce even more. AFC will know that of course. If Walcott was a machine in production he would have been sold years ago as a loss on the books. They need to sell now as i see it. Despite the poor returns over 9 years the onset of Dykes new rules still afford him some marketability. There are a few Coaches too who will think they can get more from him. Hes Andy Carroll mark 2. Ill be surprised if Arsenal try very hard to hang on to him come the Summer. People will say look how we persevered with Abou Diaby. Fair point too, but AD was 20 times the footballer Wally will ever be. AD is a real and genuine loss, Walcott never will be in my opinion.

  57. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 27, 2015, 10:39 #69345

    How fortunate we are to have such a wise man in our midst, for whom it is so simple to comprehend what we are unable to recognise for ourselves. He advises and guides us into neat little categories. However, I do not think 'Badarse' is sufficiently enlightened-sounding name for such a being. Brian, of course, was not the messiah. How about The Oracle? Excuse me while I wipe away the froth after such a crazed outburst.

  58. Badarse

    Mar 27, 2015, 9:33 #69344

    Morning my little eggy dippy soldiers. Hiccup, it's a different time, a different set of dynamics at play, and a differing book of rules we abide by. At the risk of incurring the wrath of Ron and co. all of us are holding hands with yesterday and tomorrow-most can't see that because their eyes are closed-only we stand in the present. We know what was, and summarily dismiss what is to come. We judge by McLintock et al, we should be aware of the differences, either accepting or rejecting the changes, and move on with our lives-it's how we grow. If we don't, and we colour our views with past standards and practises we are in danger of being locked in the past-we become dinosaurs and die out, complaining all the way to the grave. The reasonable old man sometimes finds himself muttering under his breath, 'bloody kids', we all operate by swimming both ways at the same time, but logic and reason usually wins the day. We are fed sound bites and a knee jerk response often follows, then herd instinct takes over and always runs close to becoming a mob rule-you see that in evidence on this website regularly. Theo is a product of his time as much as those who vilify or denigrate him are. Phrases like, 'it comes with the territory', are apt in today's thinking. I know your question was a typical Hiccup tongue in cheek offering, and it made me smile, but it is an interesting point. westlower offers a simple refrain to assuage some contentions by saying he just supports his club in a different way-it happens to be my way-but I see the crux of the discord and disharmony amongst fans, as an inability to recognise the simplicity of the finely judged awareness of what is achievable, and what might be so. Strive to improve certainly, but be realistic. Politicians are faced with this dilemma as a badge of office daily. I think it's a fundamental glitch in comprehension, and it influences all other things, including players leaving to grab a bigger wage packet.

  59. Hiccup

    Mar 27, 2015, 7:35 #69341

    Nail on head mg. Players that look out for themselves and move to get the pay they want are called mercenary wankers. However, if the club meets their demands, they remain as cult heroes. You couldn't make it up.

  60. goonercolesyboy

    Mar 27, 2015, 0:55 #69340

    Muguiresbridge, what a complete waste of time that was. More negatives than Kodak.

  61. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 27, 2015, 0:48 #69339

    Hiccup, good post, yes we all remember what all the others who wanted and left for more dough were called (and still are)by the wenger luvvies who thought they were letting poor arsene down and jumping ship on him and us, and here is wally the wallet (you heard it here first) doing the same looking for more dough, another of OGL's adopted sons, the great English hope and fans favourite holding poor old arsene and the club to ransom, no doubt we'll be told by the AKB's but this is different of course it would be, I'd have thought if a player wanted a new improved contract he'd want more dough too and hold out till he gets it or near enough it anyway, I think there's a good way to describe that, holding the club to ransom? If he gets his way and what he wants and stays will that be alright? of course it will, there'll be no cries of mercenary or greedy b*****d. How hilarious it will be if he doesn't and nothing can be agreed and wally the wallet does the same as the others and leaves for more dough, what are all the wallyites who think he's the bee's knees going to do, yes will it be open season on him like it was all the rest? darling theo a much loved English man? will be hearing Judas will all the AKB's be accusing him of jumping ship and letting them and they're messiah down just when we'll soon be on a cusp, and organising a mass back turning on his return? lets hope he hasn't done something he's ashamed off at school or they'll be turning it into a song and singing it.

  62. Robert Exley

    Mar 26, 2015, 21:46 #69338

    A good piece, however 4th place is but a revenue stream. A trophy it is not. Though with a bit of luck we will be within the top two and actually winning a trophy this season. Let Man Utd and Liverpool dress up a forth place finish as a trophy

  63. jjetplane

    Mar 26, 2015, 21:42 #69337

    HICCUP Theo to reinvent himself as rebellious WOB type. Next stage for him will be to grow the beard longer and stage a mutiny. Diaby will be up for it and if reports about Jack are true we could see players withholding their labour till they are paid a fair wage. Whether this will have the desired effect is of course questionable regarding these particular players. It's all about club morale so any fractures could hinder progress to CL consolidation. That'll do ..... Bored with this site now. Errr Good old Bendtner! Can't keep a samurai down for long. This has been a pinch of salt production. Chin up.

  64. goonercolesyboy

    Mar 26, 2015, 21:09 #69336

    I don't think Theo is holding the club to ransom, his bargaining chip in light of his recent playing time is lower than before, but his English bargaining chip is definitely higher. No is the answer to your question, Hiccup. RVP was a different animal.

  65. Hiccup

    Mar 26, 2015, 21:06 #69335

    How's about Theo Walletc•nt? Gone to liverpool to sit in the treatment room for a team in the Europa League!

  66. Badarse

    Mar 26, 2015, 20:27 #69334

    Hiccup, as a non-AKB I feel I am best qualified to try to answer your poser. It is all in the name. So what's in a name? Well my friend em is in a name, and as a man is in a name that too is me, an am I in a name? Mean is in a name and that's a clue, but so is Ma. But if the name is Badarse it's open season.

  67. Hiccup

    Mar 26, 2015, 19:03 #69333

    It would be nice if the AKB's could could provide some clarity on the Theo situation. When players like Robin Van Purse Strings and Cashley Cole (as everyone loves to call them) left for more money, it was open season to call them everything under the sun. If Theo is holding out for more cash, ie holding the club to ransom, are we allowed to call him a money grabbing so and so? Why wait for him to leave before we start slating him? Or will we get told off for that? If the club give him the pay rise he wants, can we then start throwing some sh!t at him, or will that be sneered on? Or do we have to wait until he f*cks off to Liverpool before we can start inventing some nicknames? I know how bitter some folk can get towards those that leave for more money, so I just think we should get the bitterness up and running early while he's still here. Why wait for him to leave, when you can only give him grief two games a season? You could start all that bile while he's sat on the bench at every game for the rest of the season. Just a thought.

  68. Badarse

    Mar 26, 2015, 18:50 #69331

    Ron I am easy with letting things go but you really need to focus on what I am about to post. My 1st post listed 4 types(reread). I would place you, Hiccup, E/G, Tony Evans and Bard in the latter group-by exclusion not jj. I hope that is clear. You all have different styles. Hiccup I love, Bard also, but only during daylight hours, deep respect for Tony but he doesn't post too often, E/G I think just froths if we exchange so I usually keep my distance but will engage if he seems reasonable. You? Well you often want to try to take me down- you never will- but flip between that and a tolerable chap. Now I posted a simple view and categorised you in general and sensible group. At this stage we had no beef. I complimented goonercolesyboy on a simple and succinct point, (I am allowed to do that), which was basically enjoy or walk. We had no beef at this stage but you steamed in on post 73035 and admonished me accusing me of this and that in a disparaging way. Uncalled for. You began this fracas. jj then came yapping around my ankles as he always does, in support. I responded by telling you what I had actually said and that it pretty much concurred with much of what you had said, then advised you to consult your own manner because you do everything that you accuse me of but to the nth degree. Not content you responded by attacking once more with veiled, albeit soft insults. Why? I also think you lumped the four categories I'd listed together and didn't identify yourself with the 'best' of the four which I'd expected and intended. I tried to put it to bed by flippantly saying you are a bad mannered man- and you are- asking to move on. You still wanted a piece and came steaming back with more insults. The irony always is that you accuse me of all you are doing- it''s hilarious. Now stop this, take time to reread and absorb my summary. If anyone has the urge they can add up the insults/name calling and supply a score, also who threw the first stone. I am tired now Ron, I cannot keep guiding and advising, and I don't want to lose the opportunity of exchanging posts with you.

  69. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 26, 2015, 18:33 #69330

    Ron, vroom vroom, that's not OGL's clone in his latest Renault advert it's the capri's being reversed back into the garage, they're certainly not needed.

  70. jjetplane

    Mar 26, 2015, 18:10 #69329

    John Terry has signed with Chelsea forever which is quite sad 'cause The Metro said he would be linking up with Johnny Evans at The Emirates (respect!) next season with Shawcross as back up. Win some and you lose some. BFG - what you up to next season? Hello Theo! Jack! .... Busy days.

  71. jjetplane

    Mar 26, 2015, 16:56 #69326

    Methinks RON's posts are still the most popular on here and I bet WESTIE would agree too. My own foolish observation is one should endeavour to keep one's toys in one's pram. Never know when they might be handy. Learnt that from (the) BARD. Got quite a collection of dummies here .... King Nicholas of Wolfsburg. There's a bloody title! Right - time to wring a chicken's neck!

  72. chris dee

    Mar 26, 2015, 16:54 #69325

    We know that '4th place is a trophy 'is b******s. Just the phrase turns us into an angry,snarling mob,myself included. But as has happened these past years when the season draws to a close,we all turn into nervous wrecks hoping we don't miss out.It'a shame but Sky and the other sports outlets need to make millions and reward average players £80 grand a week.They know they have have got us by the short and curlies so they will continue to shoot fish in the footballing barrel.But this current situation won't last forever,they will soon have to conjure yet another 'trophy'.I'm sure sometime soon coming into the last few weeks of a season there will be a 'middle of the table teams' tournament with the winner going into the Europa League, after all the profits must keep increasing. Memo the Arsene,only the top four trophy and the F A Cup will be considered a success this year.

  73. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 26, 2015, 16:27 #69324

    Badarse, you should be thanking Ron - he gave you the fuel you were looking for in your first post to write another 500+ words about yourself and your views. That's why you've had another little pop at me - you're looking for that fuel. Sorry to disappoint, I've had enough of these pointless little ding dongs for now - it's not like any of us are suddenly going to go, "By god, the other bloke is right".

  74. Ron

    Mar 26, 2015, 16:26 #69323

    No Badarse its not that at all and you know it. You just don't like being challenged. Look how nasty you're getting again? Is it really necessary chum. Read it back and digest. The World continues to spin, society evolves and we each perceive it in our own convoluted ways by whichever means we all seek to employ. Step back from the maelsrom of conflict into which you venture. You'll be the better for it and be nourished as man and as a microcosm of all that this intrepid earth is that we inhabit. Venture forth and be awakened chum. Chris is right. You do have some good input at times, but its yr approach and delivery that betrays you and lets you down.I may well be a fool and a some times overly forthright speaker and i truly cant help only having one head to live with for which i must apologise, but ill be fine in the morning nontheless and you ll still be a hypocrite.

  75. Chris

    Mar 26, 2015, 15:34 #69322

    Ron - If Badarse's views and yours were reversed but the posting styles were held constant, the amount of criticism would be too. The fact that you're so keen to weigh up how much each of you gets is very telling - it's like a show pony playing to the crowd. This site isn't a popularity contest. As for Badarse being big on double standards - ahem.... Other than that, you've got some decent views and stories to tell - but so has Badarse.

  76. Badarse

    Mar 26, 2015, 15:33 #69321

    Ron you are a very bad mannered man. jj you act like a fool. However I forgive you. I think you both suffer from living inside your own heads, A fools' paradise syndrome. I am only a threat to the status quo of a world you believe you inhabitit, it is a case of the Emperor's new suit of clothes- it doesn't exist. Now move on.

  77. Ron

    Mar 26, 2015, 15:22 #69320

    Baddie - youve just achieved an own goal as you usually do. Yr repsonse is the post that brings conflict into being. Perhaps wjhen you accuse others on this thread of being 'unable to see the wood for the trees' you invited conflict? If not perhaps deeming others as 'i want it all and now types did? Perhaps when you implied that others just sit in corners complaining did the trick? You really are the one for double standards Baddie and ive referred to your hypocrisy laced posts many times. You've not let us down again. I have my critics on here all of the time but there are those that agree with me at times its true. Yr jealously that that occurs on a little footie chat site like this is the saddest bit. You can knock EG to the full extent, but you clearly don't like him having you weighed up, that's yr biggest regret and you know it. You have many critics on here, compared to me, its true i guess. Ask yourself why. I venture its not solely yr views on football at AFC. Im sure you can work it out without me spelling it out any more than i have many times previously.

  78. jjetplane

    Mar 26, 2015, 15:18 #69319

    So many words and so little said ....... It's the kids that suffer.

  79. Badarse

    Mar 26, 2015, 14:26 #69318

    Well Ron and jj there doesn't have to be conflict in every point of view, unless you want it a la E/G. There is not one aspect of my post that I need to retract, and why I link football's ills with much wrong in society's problems is because they are. If you cannot see that you perhaps haven't been observing closely enough. They manifest in different ways but are all part of the same market force with which globalisation powers most things. If you can accept that fine, we can move on, if not then that is either your failing, or an intelligent analysis which rejects the whole gambit. Either way I am completely relaxed about things. I offer a view you accept or reject-end of problem. There is no acrimony in people having different views. You are perfectly entitled to live your lives happily, as am I, we owe each other nothing. Football outside the PL jj? I put in more time and effort with my grandson's team than you do with your ninth tier football, and so what? No medals awarded, and I still enjoy Arsenal and the top flight football, again no extra merits involved but you try to dress your life choice in football as if it is somehow superior, it isn't, it's just different to mine. Never have I, nor will I seriously criticise you or anyone for their personal likes or dislikes, as I said, a choice. As for you Ron, I am fighting attitudes constantly, as in this exchange. If football went? It wouldn't go my friend, if it did there would be a huge fall out of sorts. It will evolve into something stranger and possibly less palatable that's all. To be able to walk away is something very different and we are walking away and towards things every step of our lives. I went to the 1966 World Cup Final and walked away from International football nearly twenty years ago. I have my reasons, and care not one iota if I stand alone on this subject or share it with every man and his dog. My choice. Do you see that pattern developing? Sometimes I think you should take your own advice my friend because you jump in quicker than anyone on this site and tub-thump the loudest-your prerogative, unless you personalise as once more you have done, then you get back. Your critique is often insubstantial and most can see this, but choose to tow the line, it is the only reason why you get limited criticisms. Who says I hold this football in such high regard? You! I am openly critical, and that exposes your game plan. You jump in, you tub-thump, you litter the post with absurdities, absurd in that they agree with my very points, (I advocate 'walking away' as a personal choice), then you personalise. How very puerile, and more than a little bit odd. Let me explain. Goonercolesyboy points out it's foolish to moan and still take part. I agree and suggest if people feel that way they basically should walk away. You arrive on the scene with veiled criticism of us both whilst saying you walk away?!!? All very odd, I think you slipped back into your ulterior motive mode, and are following your secret agenda- that's one thing you would be better off walking away from. Anyway I'm putting the kettle on, anyone fancy a cuppa?

  80. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 26, 2015, 14:17 #69317

    Bard, can I just correct you? what did HE do, HE bought an injured swede, HE never had any intention, it'll not be like that when you and me take over.

  81. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 26, 2015, 14:01 #69316

    CGO, spot on, you just have to read the latest football rich list from French football magazine obscene is the word.

  82. Ron

    Mar 26, 2015, 13:40 #69314

    arseneknewbest - like all TV soap operas, the whole thing will have a bumpy ending eventually wont it. Its just a matter of time. These on here who declare nothing will alter are indeed foolish in my view. We know that crowds have declined and we know that the crowds are still vital so to make the 'product' look good on the TV, if no other reason. Fans can change things by not going anymore. Football wont recover and that which you speak of wont change until the TV loses its interest in the 'best league in the World'. All gravy trains end, just as the 80s 'loads a money'culture ran its course, footballs own PL loads of money will end. Its just a case of when. Today's apologist of it might then need to learn how to be a proper football Club supporter. I'm not sure they ll like it.

  83. goonercolesyboy

    Mar 26, 2015, 12:58 #69312

    I appreciate the comment Nick, but there is no way everyone will abandon football just to prove a point and hope that the TV companies see sense. It ain't gonna happen anytime, if ever.

  84. Nick

    Mar 26, 2015, 12:26 #69311

    Id feel better about the cl if it renamed itself the EUROPEAN league it is not and has not been for some time a " champions" league in the real sense of the word. The premier league is in fact a two tier league with only four or five clubs finishing in the top four on a regular basis and only three clubs with any real hope of winning it and a couple more ourselves included with an outside chance, the rest are made up of survivors and the ones who flirt with relegation on a regular basis, at least the old first division was in theory winnable by any club. The tv. Companies are ridiculous in my view for showing games between two foreign clubs at peak viewing time , football fans are tribal and jingoistic in the main and do not like watching games with no real meaning to them , personally I dont want ANY English club to win ANYTHING apart from the Arsenal, so why should I care who is triumphant between Real Madrid and Barcelona? Or Bayern and Atletico or whoever else is showing ? I would watch if Real Madrid were playing any of our domestic rivals but only in the hope of Madrid humbling them. Ffps does nothing to create a level playing field , not while it merely fines clubs who flout its laws , only points deductions and disqualification from competitions would be a real deterrent.The money from the cl is a fact of life , one that wont go away anytime soon so we have to live with it but we don't have to like it , apathy is our enemy , we have the power to change things we dont like but only if we act in unison, unfortunately for many that would mean cutting off our nose to spite our face, we all know what we need to do the question is are we prepared to do it ? Or will we sit and moan amongst ourselves while OUR game is taken inexorably further away from us ?

  85. Ron

    Mar 26, 2015, 12:25 #69310

    Baddie - im not sure why you see the need to conflate football with society's ills all of the time. If football disappeared from footballs radar no body would suffer. Its just not fundamental for some of us. Youve thrown yr weight behind Goonercolesboys view, yet youre a TV 'fan'. When was the last time that you went to a match thus putting money into the game that you say that you still hold in such high regard? How are you 'fighting' for it? We re all TV fans to a degree. Its easy to do that. TV fans fight for nothing. Im not sure a person can 'fight' for anything from an armchair either. In footballs case im even less sure that there's actually a fight to be fought? It is what it is. You takes your choice one way or the other Many of us spend our lives getting the'best we can' from it. I certainly do. It just so happens that footballs largely surplus to requirements for me and from my vantage point, it only has itself to blame for that.Its a personal view but one that many previously regular attendees at matches have taken granted to my knowledge. You should think before you jump in and tub thump, summarily dismissing all others views in your own usual and inimitable way.

  86. jjetplane

    Mar 26, 2015, 12:04 #69308

    I still go and watch football week in and week out and enjoy it immensely. Great hearing from the usual prop up AKBs who would not know a football crowd if they ran into one. CGO good stuff - never watch sky/Bt (do you Baddie?) so if it imploded tomorrow ... well - we can always hear about training ground bust ups and Bendtner hatricks on the radio. All a load of cobblers and if you mean by expansive football watching Welbeck and Walcott trying to run out of a ground leaving Giroud to smile towards the heavens - well it! Boring boring Arsenal .... Get out there and get amongst them - you could not make it up ... Wolfie ha ha ha!

  87. Ron

    Mar 26, 2015, 12:01 #69307

    Goonercolesboy - Its fair to say that the Clubs never did 'give a hoot' even way back when. I was a season ticket holder until 2010 when i dropped it. I didn't drop it because of the money influx into the game per se. I dropped it as a result of the quality of football falling in my view to ever lower standards, still falling in my view vis a vis the costs of attending it. TV governing when i could go to matches and the Clubs meekly following suit.I say as well that AFC are a Club that NEVER try and alleviate the astronomical cost of football for the fans benefit. As you know, i believe that we have a Coach that needs replacing. Its nothing to do with Arsene though as to why ive stepped aside from football. To be honest though, if whatever in life it is that attracts me doesn't 'give a hoot'about me in return, ill step aside from that too. My life is full of interests that have filled the void that travelling here there and everywhere to watch Arsenal left and it pleases me a lot that the enjoyment far surpasses what Arsenal or football ever did. Its my view that football and TV are taking fans for a ride. Its a ride i wasnt willing to take. Theres filthy lucre in much of society. We all live with that. Its just my position that footballs filthy lucre is one part of it that im pleased to have in the main severed from my life. I do still like dropping on to the odd freebie or cheap ticket for a game though! Im lucky, the yrs of going to Arsenal have left me with many good contacts which means i dont need a season ticket for the games i like to see. My Son in Law now benefits from the Silver Mship that ive still got, though he renews it.

  88. Bard

    Mar 26, 2015, 11:41 #69305

    All good stuff Frank and written from the accounting point of view. However I couldnt really care less about the finances to be honest. I dont watch and support them because they have a sound set of figures. If 4th place was the best we could achieve having given it a right go that would be fine with me. But the truth is that Arsenal are happy floating in a sea of mediocrity. A year ago Xmas we were top of the table. We were short going into the transfer window and what did we do. We bought an injured Swede. We never had any intention of giving it a go. Our recent lame exit from the CL was yet another example of our lack of serious intent. I could go on. Yes I get that Arsenal are a relatively well run business but for a club of Arsenal's size and status (as Westie reminds us) should at the very least be busting a gut to win stuff, not just coasting along.

  89. goonercolesyboy

    Mar 26, 2015, 11:16 #69304

    Agreed CGO, but too long in the tooth to just give up because of the money in the game. Life evolves and you keep with it or drop off, support or don't, but if you love your club through thick and thin, then stay with the game, you'll miss it when you're gone or else it didn't mean that much to youi n the first place.

  90. Charlie George Orwell

    Mar 26, 2015, 11:03 #69303

    Goonercolesyboy: You're perfectly entitled to your opinion of course. I'm glad Arsenal are in with a big chance of winning a trophy, but I find a cheery acceptance of 'football clubs don't give a hoot' rather sad (in the proper sense of the word - not as a snide remark). Although it looks like Wolfie ‘Baddie’ Smith – enemy of global injustice and the scourge of the establishment, may have some guerrilla warfare tips.

  91. Badarse

    Mar 26, 2015, 10:49 #69302

    Sanity from goonercolesyboy. I am disenchanted with much in society, too many cars on the road, crushing powerhouse supermarkets, religion having too big a say in society, tangled webs of intrigue from our politicians into the civil service, into the police, into the military-all linked, so do I go and sit in the corner complaining? I get back in there; the game is still being played, I might feel I am losing it but it's vital to fight on, to perhaps change the outcome. At least when the dust has settled and you hang up your boots, you played a good game. Get the best from everything you can.

  92. goonercolesyboy

    Mar 26, 2015, 10:36 #69301

    Complete nonsense all this I don't like football anymore because of all the money. Well it ain't going away anytime soon so enjoy the games while you are still on this planet. The choice is yours and the football clubs don't give a hoot. Wembley, Wembley we're the famous Arsenal and we're going to Wembley, Wembley, Wembley.

  93. Gaz

    Mar 26, 2015, 10:20 #69300

    Nail on head Ron. With every passing week I'm finding it harder and harder to keep an interest with football in general and I often think to myself that I'm glad I supported the Club through a period where money wasn't the be all of everything. Sadly is's only going to get worse too...

  94. Badarse

    Mar 26, 2015, 10:12 #69299

    I liked this clear analysis Frank, thank you. To those locked into a perpetual state of 'I want-I'm worth it', those who are unable to see the wood for the trees, the few hankering for a bygone era which was a golden memory of the Arsenal and themselves, and the fans just tired of waiting for an upward turn in competitiveness, this explains just how vital the CL places are. This is true for all four places, and if you can't win the league then 2nd is the next best, and so on. We never set out to come fourth, just as someone who recognises these values and principles is not an AKB.

  95. Ron

    Mar 26, 2015, 10:09 #69298

    Youre right Frank. The TV owns it now. Westie is right too in his summation, but then so is CGO. Its down to choice now for all of us. Mine is to withdraw from it, both in attendance bar the odd game and ive never bought merchandize and certainly wont be subscribing to SKY/BT etc. There are far more rewarding things in life to day than football at far more justifiable and reasonable prices for me. I shall always be glad that my heyday as a Gooner was way back when, at which stage we had genuine heroes, the fan base had camaraderie and the cheat culture was the prevalent facet of the game as it is today. I've said a few times before, i actually feel sorry for the youngsters setting out to follow football Clubs today. The whole thing and a high proportion of the people/Clubs in it are so superficial and tainted. Even Joey Barton has now become recognised as a worthwhile voice to be heard for heavens sake! Tells it all that does doesn't it.

  96. Arseneknewbest

    Mar 26, 2015, 10:08 #69297

    The media are colluding with football administrators and the clubs to sell us something that doesn't really have any genuine appeal or excitement. And the players also get involved by spouting crap about the privilege of being in the premiership. It's the unhealthy combination of globalisation and greedy bawbags who run clubs. Like many on here, who realise that we have no way of influencing things for the better, the best we can hope for is that the likes of Scudamore, Kroenke, OGL, Beckham, Blatter, Vincent Tan and Feo (to name but a few who are feasting off the rotting carcass of global "soccer") have a bumpy landing when the cash dries up.

  97. Westlower

    Mar 26, 2015, 8:41 #69294

    Realistic review of where the English game is right now & it's hard to disagree with your assessment Frank. Even LGV is referring to 4th spot as a trophy. Finishing top 4 has been more important to Arsenal than many realise. Being in the Champions League has kept our name in lights Worldwide. It may seem trivial to fans longing for silverware but in a survey in today's Mail reveals that Arsenal are the 2nd biggest club in England. The data has been collated from the following factors: Trophies (3rd best); Average League finish since 1888-9 (2nd best); Number of English International players (3rd best); Income (4th best); Crowds (4th best); Global Fanbase (3rd). The last one is significant because we obviously haven't gained that high a fanbase based on number of trophies won in the past 10 years. Most neutral fans admire our expansive attacking style because you rarely see a boring Arsenal game, whether we win, lose or draw.

  98. Charlie George Orwell

    Mar 26, 2015, 8:07 #69293

    To be honest Frank, I would welcome the whole SKY/BT/Whoever deals to blow up in their greedy faces. So what if English clubs don’t get gerzillions of pounds every year? All it does anyway is create an obscene monetary gorge fest for overhyped prima donnas and fill the upper tier grounds with tourists who fit a game in between visiting Big Ben and Hard Rock Cafe. It hasn’t done the Germans too much harm being free from this nonsense AND their football still belongs to the people.

  99. Ozzie

    Mar 26, 2015, 7:09 #69292

    Arsenal must make top four if only to attract a couple of big signings and to finance those, give Walcott & Wilshere the flick.

  100. Ozzie

    Mar 26, 2015, 6:50 #69290

    OZ 2 Fritz 2 - not bad huh?

  101. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 25, 2015, 22:40 #69285

    Disappointing for others, not surprising, expected, inevitable, for some.