All Hope Is Not Lost!

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All Hope Is Not Lost!

Hoping for a Gerrard style slip from Chelsea


This time last year there was no problem when it came to purchasing tickets for the final game of the season. It's fair to say that interest in that particular fixture was minimal and choice over where to park our backsides for the 90 meaningless minutes of football was aplenty.

Fast forward 12 months and it would not be unreasonable to say that what was expected to be an amble to claim last day tickets had actually become a mad, desperate, frenetic, literally sweat inducing rush!

Although, at first puzzled by the flurry of activity to say farewell to the boys in order to wish them a jolly holiday, it quickly became apparent that the reason for the speedy sell-out was actually due to the fact that there remained a feeling that winning the Premier League title wasn’t completely out of the realms of possibility; that destination West London could very well become North London.

And now, I too find myself starting to believe the hype; that this season could still spring a few surprises.

Chelsea's form has stuttered from as far back as January when they were humiliated at home by Bradford City and sent crashing out of the FA Cup. This was further compounded by their Champions League exit to Paris Saint Germain. The Blues have also dropped points to Burnley, Southampton and Manchester City in recent weeks leading onlookers to think that all is not quite as rosy as would seem at Stamford Bridge.

Chelski's remaining fixtures will see Mourinho's men face Manchester United, our good selves and Liverpool. Not to mention a final day scuffle with relegation candidates Sunderland, add into the mix a battle with Leicester City and you find yourself licking your lips in anticipation.

Diversely, since Arsenal were shown the exit door from the Champions League by beating Monaco on their own soil in a performance that almost rectified the horror show that was witnessed at the Emirates, The Gunners have gone from strength to strength. A fact that has seen Premier League victories in every game since the Spurs no-show in February.

Testing times await Arsenal in the Premier League in the form of Manchester United and Chelsea but there is no reason considering current form why we can't overcome these; especially when you think at the ease at which United were dispatched of in the FA Cup. That leaves fixtures against league strugglers Hull City and Sunderland but with current form in mind can there be any excuses to think that three points are there for the taking.

As we all know, anything goes in football. The only thing that is certain is that nothing is certain at all. So as we see all the talk about when Chelsea will win the title I find myself more inclined to listen to the faint murmurings that we're chasing their coat tails, waiting for their slip up to pounce!

Ed’s note – This was submitted on Saturday evening. Still, it doesn’t mention any reliance on yesterday’s QPR v Chelsea game, so I’ll assume the author is still nursing a half-full glass


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  1. Red Member

    Apr 15, 2015, 9:57 #69971

    it will only be progress this season were we to win our remaining six games - even if that were to happen I am sure Chelsea will still win the league. They would have to lose at least 3 times between now and the end of the season. they have only lost TWO all season whereas we have lost SIX. Therein lies the difference. Groundhog day zzzzzzzzz

  2. John F

    Apr 14, 2015, 20:11 #69966

    Sorry Rachel not this year and according to the Media not next year either as utd are going to win the league,F A cup,champions league,Eurovision song contest and the National.I wonder how many times utd are going to be mentioned during tonights Madrid game.

  3. Finsbury Joe

    Apr 14, 2015, 20:03 #69965

    You should listen to Ron he is like a Buddah full of knowledge.jeff also makes some interesting comments.I find jjetplane and Hiccup though rather delusional.

  4. maguiresbridge gooner

    Apr 14, 2015, 13:38 #69955

    Gooner Ron, I am speaking for myself and a hell of a lot of others who think the same, I always do, i'd have thought that would have become apparent by now everybody else seems to have grasped that fact, so in the future feel and rest assured i'm not referring to you personally.

  5. Finsbury Bell

    Apr 14, 2015, 12:45 #69949

    Assuming Chelsea win their game in hand, they'll be 22 points ahead of have-a-go heroes Spurs. We're closing in on them. To dare is to do. I'll get out my Mind the Gap t-shirt I wore to Arsenal, before we lost 5-2 and blew a 10 point lead.

  6. jjetplane

    Apr 14, 2015, 12:35 #69947

    All hail the Fourth Dimension and just got the reports back. 99% of AKBs love wiki. Not a good source for FA Cup Final results. That was one ****e day though the trip to beat the Chavs (Parlour took that by the scruff of the neck - interesting to see if Ramsay keeps up the drive ...) and that Freddie song made it for me. I was at both, seriously ..... Lol!

  7. Barnaby

    Apr 14, 2015, 10:14 #69938

    I think everyone expects us to finish 4th,that is what we r good at, the 4th place pros!!! Its a ****ing trophy dont u know!

  8. Ron

    Apr 14, 2015, 10:01 #69935

    Westie - hi mate. Neville? What an awful thought!! Maybe somebody like Grimandi could be with him. He ll certainly need a strong sidekick i feel, despite Wenger being 'upstairs'.

  9. Westlower

    Apr 14, 2015, 9:38 #69934

    Thanks for the correction Ray. No excuses for that slip as I was there. Most disappointing end to a game we dominated.

  10. Westlower

    Apr 14, 2015, 9:00 #69933

    For those of you expecting a goal fest on Saturday, history shows it's not that simple. Our last 3 semi-final games against a team from a lower division has resulted in scores of 1-1, 1-0, 1-0. In Arsenal's 27 semi-final appearances we have only lost once to a lower division team & that was Sunderland, 1-2 in 1973. This will be a Wenger teams 10th FA Cup semi-final, won 6, lost 3. The 3 defeats were against Man U twice & Chelsea. All 6 Cup final appearances were successful beating Newcastle, Liverpool, Chelsea, Southampton, Man U & Hull. Not bad for a manager who doesn't take the competition seriously? @Ron, What price Thierry Henry taking over in 2017/18 with his new friend Gary Neville as his right hand man?

  11. Chesham Gooner

    Apr 14, 2015, 8:45 #69932

    With the best will in the world, Chelski aren't going to drop enough points for us to catch them...especially as every 'keeper they come up against at the moment seems intent on gifting them the title. It's a pity it took us until January to find a system that consistently works.

  12. Tony Evans

    Apr 14, 2015, 8:25 #69931

    Finsbury Joe - thanks for giving me such a good laugh this morning with your 'next season I can really see Spurs pushing for the title' comment. It's always next season for your lot and has been since 60/61. Still keep posting mate - the bitterness at seeing Spurs play second fiddle to Arsenal for so long now which shines through with your every post is great entertainment.

  13. GoonerRon

    Apr 13, 2015, 23:42 #69930

    Maguiresbridge on potentially retaining the FA Cup "but even another one will not make the slightest difference". Speak for yourself. I'm sure they'll be 33,000 Gooners inside Wembley and countless other desperately wanting us to win and consider it a great achievement to retain the cup and add more silverware to the trophy cabinet. One other thing, if it's purely value for money you're looking for from our manager's wages and trophies such as the FA Cup don't make a blind bit of difference, what is 17 x £25-30m? I'd say his £80m in wages have been a snip....

  14. maguiresbridge gooner

    Apr 13, 2015, 22:54 #69928

    jw, a very unique position indeed and one that should never have been afforded him, and certainly wouldn't have been at any other club in Europe regardless of his past exploits. Yes a big thing is been made of the FA Cup again by the wengerites to try and make him look good and sweep the last ten years under the carpet, a comp he and a lot of them turned their noses up at in the past, and it could and probably will end up coming to his rescue yet again but even another one will not make the slightest difference, all it will mean is 2 FA Cups for upwards of £80,000,000 in wages, but that won't be mentioned during the celebrations and the open bus parade, that's if there is one. You couldn't make it up.

  15. Lee afc

    Apr 13, 2015, 22:52 #69927

    Well done finsbury. Both Ron and Jeff are frequent attendees down at the lane. All a bit comfy for you lot ehhhh.

  16. Finsbury Joe

    Apr 13, 2015, 22:32 #69926

    I think Henry is a shoe in for the Arsenal job no way will he get overlooked.Next season I can see Spurs really pushing for the title after Levy clears out the dead wood and brings in a couple of world class stars.Agree with Ron and jeff Arsenal could really struggle,AKB's haven't got a clue and will swallow anything.

  17. jeff wright

    Apr 13, 2015, 22:09 #69924

    Ron I would have thought that a Giggs type scenario would be in place with the young Grasshopper learning from the old master ! Anyway let's see what happens.

  18. Lee afc

    Apr 13, 2015, 22:08 #69923

    Hey "always".. The article is about buying tickets for the last game of the season. Something you will never understand. See you there loser.

  19. Ron

    Apr 13, 2015, 21:46 #69921

    Henry fits the bill Jeffrey. Cheap as chips. An inbuilt excuse to keep Wenger on. Young. They can sell it to fans as 'stability'and seamless transition. Truth is that its job s for the boys culture reigning supreme. Mostly though, its a 'vote winner'. They ll lap it up there. Their own Messiah. Almost Keeganesque in its effect. Gtee of the fans giving him a long honeymoon if it turns out not so good. Wenger doing all the politicking to watch Henrys back. Continuance of the French flavour that's permeated the Club for so long. Commercially its a winner. Look how they lapped him up when he came back and scored that goal v mighty Leeds. Many of the younger fans at the stadium only know the Terry Henry yrs as great yrs. They ll fete Stan K and IG for bringing him back for yrs. Its nailed on in my view. Appoint him and the spin and glitz machine will run itself for years and wont need any oiling. They cant not appoint him. Wenger will make sure it happens. He wont stay there under a proper manager and the Boards priority is keeping AW there at any cost and they ll comply with whatever he wants to keep him. What Wenger wants is a hand on the tiller even when hes gone. Henrys the price the Club will willingly pay, even if it is a disastrous move. All so comfortable as they ll raise the glasses in the Diamond Club at Terrys unveiling.

  20. jeff wright

    Apr 13, 2015, 20:53 #69920

    It did cross my mind Ron that Ivan the master of spin could be at itagain. However it is still a public dig at Wenger and the empty seats and abuse from dissatisfied supporters will not have gone unnoticed. As I said before though Wenger has two years left on his current pension fund and he won't give that up easily. Not sure about Henry being the king in waiting though Stan is a pragmatist and not a gambler that's why he has kept Wenger on because he at least knows whathe is getting ,the CL cash every season.

  21. Ron

    Apr 13, 2015, 20:13 #69919

    Jeff - i think you can read too much into those Gazadis quotes. He says we re not happy. Of course he isnt but for me an looking at his long known propensity for spin, its likely to be reverse psychology ie a hint of a barb at Wenger to make the disaffected think the Board are really pressing him and demanding progress. His 'we' means him, the Board and Wenger in my view, not him and the Board exclusive of Wenger. Not a chance of that. Wengers done their bidding for far too long. Not only that, but the Wenger to Terry Henry transition is in motion and they need Wenger to over see the Club into its next phase of its comfortable sulk. Alienate Henry by ruffling Wengers feathers at this late stage and he might not be quite the Wenger like puppet they ll get if it all goes through on the nod and smoothly. The place is a gentlemans social club and has been for years. Theres no room for disturbing the head boy there. That horse bolted yrs back.

  22. jeff wright

    Apr 13, 2015, 19:41 #69916

    MG, Wenger's been ,as others have pointed out in the game, in a unique position that no other manager of a top club has enjoyed, including even Ferguson at United . The public comments about not being happy with the way the season has gone from above are obviously a criticism of Wenger's management. According to loyal AKB's we should all be jumping with joy and screaming :See ya at Wembley ! The annoying thing is that Wenger will not have a better chance during his remaining two years than he had in the last two to win the Prem - but due to various shortcomings in his character he failed to take those chances. The FAC win that added to the other ones that he won over the 20 years of his time at AFC doesn't change this.

  23. Hiccup

    Apr 13, 2015, 19:00 #69913

    Rachael. What was it you were drinking? Can you get this stuff over the counter at Rythm and Booze? Westie, paranoia setting in? It's not just me that gets a good laugh out of your continuous in play recovery bets. I guess current form tables and calendar year analysis will always gazump the bookies odds of arsenal winning the league at 26/1?

  24. maguiresbridge gooner

    Apr 13, 2015, 18:37 #69911

    jw, it's good to see real ambition been shown from the hierarchy, but maybe that's what they've been showing for seasons now but it's not been delivered, and hopefully they now realise like a lot of us have done for seasons now that OGL isn't the person to achieve/deliver it, and show even more ambition in that department (cue the who do we get to replace him posts even though numerous names have been posted regularly) with like you say an ambitious manager not past his sell by date who can deliver, and not one who is in a comfort zone and has been dining out on the past for over a decade.

  25. Alex

    Apr 13, 2015, 18:24 #69910

    DELUDED

  26. Peter Hughes

    Apr 13, 2015, 17:19 #69904

    Has Mourinho ever managed a team on a shoestring. Think he has generally managed with money

  27. Rocky RIP

    Apr 13, 2015, 17:10 #69903

    Finsbury Joe - If you take away the looks, acting ability, coolness, wealth and fame, I'm very similar to Steve McQueen. 'Can't smile without you'. Finsbury Quo - he's playing a funny game isn't he? He makes antagonistic comments and stokes the AKB/WOB argument in a manipulative way, but never responds directly to anyone. Just drops little snide wind ups here and there. At least Clive Allen made his digs obvious by turning puce and blowing up in people's faces or doing that annoying goal celebration.

  28. Finsbury Quo

    Apr 13, 2015, 16:55 #69900

    Have a feeling Finsbury Joe is not actually a Tottenham fan, but perhaps an AKB parodying some firmly held opinions on here and juxtaposing their similarities with those expected of a Spurs troll/sleeper? Only a thought

  29. mark from aylesbury

    Apr 13, 2015, 16:10 #69893

    Ron - I remember Clive Allen winding up the Northbank after putting them ahead at Highbury. Also remember the dire Chas and Dave entertainment and announcement of how to get tickets for the final to the Spurs fans. Apparently George Graham heard that announcement and used it as a massive gee up. Great times indeed it felt anything was possible

  30. Ron

    Apr 13, 2015, 15:53 #69892

    mARK - 1987 mate. A lovely year. Charlie flooring Liverpool and then the pleasure of going to Wembley with a few spuddite mates to see and hear them swaggering up to the Neasden s-----e only needing to turn up as they took the rise out of John Sillets Coventry team - note, the same Cov team who had pulverised them only a few weeks earlier. What a day. Loved those Cov goals bulging their net. PS what an odious c--t that Clive Allen was then and seemingly still is now!. There were 3 or 4 of us Gunners there laughing at them that day. Cheapo tickets at the spuds expense was very fulfilling. Great fun!

  31. mark from aylesbury

    Apr 13, 2015, 15:39 #69889

    Finsbury Joe - Just remember that Greavsie said that Arsenal were the bigger team in London even at one of our lower ebbs. I would add Spurs blew the chance of some later glory in 87. If you couldn't win the league in that year with Clive Allen scoring for fun, you never would. Still remember those League cup replay's. What Joy!

  32. Westlower

    Apr 13, 2015, 15:08 #69887

    @Finsbury Joe, I'll come to your rescue out of compassion, sensing the never ending hurt of a fellow human being. You had your Glory, Glory years in the 60's. Just be grateful colour TV was still some way off and your white & black colours stood out. One superior decade out of ten ain't bad for a small club situated on the road out of N.London. Your temporary superiority was wiped out with aplomb in 1971 & you've never got it back, apart from the rare moments of daring to do, e.g. the Cup semi final when Gazza was drugged up to his eyeballs. Have you ever won the league at Highbury or the Emirates? I'm vaguely remember that Arsenal have won the league at the Lane on more than one occasion.

  33. juggernaut

    Apr 13, 2015, 14:47 #69885

    If you erase several decades from your history and then compare it to ours... It's (unintentionally) one of the funniest posts ever on here - even my spud colleagues are laughing (and asking why he spends so much time on a gooner site).

  34. Ron

    Apr 13, 2015, 14:44 #69884

    A corker that is FJ! You ll have our AKB salivating now declaring that Arsene's euro record equates to Real Madrids if you take away the 10 EC s! You really shouldnt feed their idea bank.

  35. Ho Hum

    Apr 13, 2015, 14:44 #69883

    Westlower- As much as I admire Hiccup's gentle mocking of Wenger's humourless disciples, we are not one and the same. I just felt the need to highlight the ignorance/generosity of the nations bookmakers for the financial betterment of AKBs everywhere, as apparently we are in some kind of title race.

  36. Bob Matthews

    Apr 13, 2015, 14:22 #69882

    Priceless Finsbury,in fact if you totally wipe away our history apart from season 1960/61 you will find that you are a vastly superior football club.

  37. juggernaut

    Apr 13, 2015, 14:16 #69880

    Hahahaha!!God bless ya, Finsbury Joe!I'm still laughing at that one. I hear the sound of a barrel being desperately scraped, you complete and utter fool! :-)))

  38. Finsbury Joe

    Apr 13, 2015, 14:04 #69879

    If you take away the success Arsenal enjoyed in the 1930's and the success had from George Graham onwards,you'll find there is very little difference between Arsenal and Spurs.

  39. Ron

    Apr 13, 2015, 13:38 #69874

    AMG - as much as a game can be a foregone conclusion, i reckon the semi probably is. Wenger wont go to it with the usual dismissive arrogance v small Clubs a he really needs the FAC Final to continue to bolster the illusion that this season has been a progressive one. They have to win and will. Oddly enough, my tip for the Cup is Villa. I thoink they l turn Liverpool over and then us in the Final. Theyre record is so poor v Arsenal home and away for the best part of 20 years, that its perhaps one of those quirks of football that they ll redress the record in a major game. We see it happen so often. As much as id like us to retain it (some achievement that is indeed, its has to be said), i make us 3rd favs to win it. If we have to play Liverpool, i reckon our recent win v them was our dash of glory v them for this season plus, i think the 'Stevie Me, get me a win at Wem ber lee' media fest will get to Wenger and Arsenal and theyll fold and bottle it, wheres the likes of Utd and Chelsea would relish the chance to burst that particular balloon. Arsenal will be made hot favs to win the Cup and Wenger and his teams for the best part of the last decade cant cope with that and the potential opposition will relish being the underdogs too. I hope im wrong, but we ve got enough form for bottling that Schweppes would be proud of.

  40. Ron

    Apr 13, 2015, 13:18 #69872

    Westie - hi mate. Yes, Terry Henry is as good as in it in my view. Ive thoiught it for ages as you know. I wdt ever question his footie knowledge, but im still unsure of ability to actually manage players and all the people who need to be managed, thats the secret to management in any firm isnt it. I personally feel his morale gets sapped quite easily in the face of a set back and i dont think he has the patience with others who cant do what he could. Maybe hes matured now and the coaching training will help a lot perhaps. His Captaincy was poor and displayed a lot of sulk and mardiness. He ll come in under AW though for a Season or so. When it happens, Bouldies forlorn hopes of getting the job are gone. I suspect THs ideas on a back room team might differ from Wengers though whos own choices have been just recognition of long service and have paid lip service to the need for high quality assistants. We ll see.

  41. AMG

    Apr 13, 2015, 13:02 #69870

    Scraping a win v Stoke and QPR has sealed the title for Chelsea, they can afford to lose a couple of games and still win comfortably. As Ron rightly says, they've not really been challenged at all this year, much like United pre-Moyes. The truth is that the moment a realistic title challenge was on the cards, our boys would collapse under the pressure as we've seen so many times before - even before the move to the Emirates and the disbandment of the so called invicibles - See 2003 v Bolton, 2004 v Chelsea. Anyone really think the Reading game is a foregone conclusion?

  42. maguiresbridge gooner

    Apr 13, 2015, 12:59 #69869

    Hopefully we'll be saying a permanent farewell to three or four of them. And if your looking forward to anything other than a desperate frenetic sweat inducing rush for third or even fourth place your going to be disappointed as usual, or maybe that's your thing and the highlight of your season along with a lot of others, and what has you all licking your lips in anticipation for.

  43. jeff wright

    Apr 13, 2015, 12:53 #69868

    It certainly looks as though the bar regarding ambitions at AFC has been lifted now Mark with the we are not happy with our season comments from Ivan. Wenger though still has 2 years left on his contract and never breaks one,then again why should he when he is being paid 8m a year. He looks a bit long in the tooth though now to be going on about young players coming good . A manager with ambition to do better than constantly finishing 4th in the Prem and going out of Europe in the first KO round every season is needed to make use of the resources available to him at AFC by getting things galvanized . Wenger ran out of excuses last summer regarding the claims that he was over achieving against Petro rich rivals .The reality is that Wenger is well past his best and has been living in a comfort zone for years dining out off his exploits at Highbury a decade ago. His beating average or worse sides regularly in the Prem now days at home with his version of tika-taka doesn't change that fact. The empty seats at home games testify to the fact that many find Wenger's tenure boring now and want a change . Cue the well rehearsed be careful what you wish for retorts to this! You couldn't make it up.

  44. Tony Evans

    Apr 13, 2015, 12:48 #69867

    Would love to see it, Rachael, but the gap is too large. It might get interesting though if the next couple of games go our way and Chelsea lose to Man U. By the way St Totteringham's Day must be coming up soon - it's that time of year!

  45. Westlower

    Apr 13, 2015, 12:47 #69866

    @Gary How did £77m get spent on Debuchy, Alexis, Welbeck, Chambers, Ospina while Wenger was playing beach ball? Add to that another £16 on Gabriel in Jan and that's a record annual spend of £93m on new players for AFC. @Ron, With a debt of £890m Chelsea strengthened their squad pre-FFP which took them out of the reach of Arsenal. We were/are simply not in the same ball park financially. At last we are able to spend considerable amounts in the transfer market but we're still playing catch up. Never in my wildest dreams did I expect to finish ahead of CFC or Man City in the league this season. Comment from Alan Smith: Sat in the Sky studio on Saturday with Thierry Henry watching Arsenal successfully navigate a tricky trip to Burnley, it struck me that my new colleague will eventually make a very good manager. It was the way he commented on every aspect of play, the way he enthused over the slightest nuance (there's that word again). Henry is already in the progress of taking his coaching badges. Only a matter of time , I reckon, before he takes to the dugout. @Hiccup, When did you become Ho Hum? Funny things happen when you cross the line to be a fully paid up WOB. Still the same sex I hope, still got your cojones? @Frank I appreciate Klopps previous wonderful track record but if he'd had a season like that at Arsenal we'd be right up SH*T creek, just like Rocky Creek in the GN.

  46. mark from aylesbury

    Apr 13, 2015, 12:40 #69865

    What a fool am I! Deserve to be shot down in flames. Where I put AMG I meant AKB! No Freudian slip I can assure people. These abbreviations can sure get confusing

  47. mark from aylesbury

    Apr 13, 2015, 12:24 #69864

    Jeff - I agree, most interesting thing is Gazidis saying we are not happy. Comments from Arsenal are a bit like those that came out of China's politburo during Chairman Mao's time. We need a whole section of British Intelligence to decipher the Nuance (there's that word again!) of the true underlying meaning. If I were West Lower I would start getting money down on a replacement Manager. At least it now looks like the Premiership Title is the new measure of success. I Reckon that the beginning of the end or the "End Times" for the AMG / Branch Davidian Cultist's are upon the horizon.

  48. Bard

    Apr 13, 2015, 11:56 #69862

    Rachel you certainly must have a had a few. Im all for optimism but it will take a miracle for us to win it at this stage. We have our work cut out keeping in the top 4 let alone win the league. i see youve swallowed the guff about our squad depth, the depth that Wenger chose not to use until moreorless extra time against Burnley. Haver another one on me.

  49. Ron

    Apr 13, 2015, 11:55 #69860

    Hi Westie - Chelsea have been top of the table since last August 30th. If nothing else, that must even tell you that there has been no challenger. AFC ha ve had no hope of the title at all. Only City have made them look over their shoulders this Season and Chels have had no need to do that for weeks on end either. Im not sure even had they lost to spurs in the LC that it would have raised even a ripple at the Bridge. There's optimism, there's blind optimism and delusion, but if you've had 'hope' of a title win this Season, im not sure into what category it comes. Its not 'anti Arsenal to see the reality. Take those horse blinkers off. The view isn't so bad as you think. PS - 20 of us are off to Chester races in early August. Its always a good day and night out in Chester.

  50. Westlower

    Apr 13, 2015, 11:19 #69859

    Rachael, I suspect all hope of AFC winning the PL disappeared in the 87th minute at Loftus Road. Had the game finished all square the doubts would have been compounded in Chelsea minds. They are not playing like Champions but there isn't enough games left to knock them off top spot. You didn't mention that they are suffering from post League Cup final blues, as are our neighbours. Would things have turned out any differently with more summer signings? Not if they were CB's Mangala (31.9m), Lovren (£20m) or striker Balotelli. Would a new manager have made the diffrence? Looking at bookies & Piers Morgans favourite Herr Klopp, maybe not with his dismal record this season. In the Bundesliga, Borussia Dortmund, Played 28, W 9. D 6, L 13, F 35, A 37. Points 33. 18 points outside the top 4 & 37 points behind leaders BM. Eliminated from the ECL & won't be in it next year. On current form how is that better than Wenger?

  51. jeff wright

    Apr 13, 2015, 11:11 #69858

    Interesting comments from Ivan today in the papers about our season he says and we can safely assume that he speaks for Stan and co here whe he says "WE" quote: "We are not happy.." He goes on to add that we have a young promising squad and... that blah blah blah... next season ... hopefully ... of course we have heard this before many times and next season is well, next season.This one was an opportunity missed by Wenger the league was there for him to win but it's Mourinho who will be celebrating in May and no amount of trying to dress it up as being something other than a messed up league campaign by Wenger whose management last summer was nothing short of being negligent and self indulgent is gong to change that fact. Results are judged over the entire course of the season in the league and not on a run of games in it. Since 2004 Wenger has consistently failed to mount any title challenge over an entire season , that is a fact . We might finish second this season but even that is no certainty. City on paper have an easier run of games left than we do . We also have to play Chelsea at home and United away .I don't think that the FAC result will play any part in our result at Old Trafford league games rarely produce similar ones to cup ties .Southampton beat us at the Emirates in the League cup but they lost there in their Prem game. Looking at the mathematics involved in the 'race' for 2nd 3rd and 4th place it seems to me that these positions are far from being settled. Apart from avoiding 4th spot and that pesky qualifier tie though there is nothing much other than bragging rights to be gained from finishing 2nd or 3rd. If Ivan and co are not happy about this then why should anyone else be?

  52. Ron

    Apr 13, 2015, 10:56 #69857

    I reckon the only thing that could make yr optimism have any basis, is if Chelsea were still in the CL to clutter them up. As it is their 'stuttering' is largely as a result of the size of the points gap and never having had a genuine challenger to keep their eye on. Theyre not going to do a Gerrard and Manchester Utd aren't going to be remotely as tepid when we re next at OT either. The title has been wrapped up for months barring the formalities. Its a poor league in truth and becoming poorer.

  53. King Jeremy

    Apr 13, 2015, 10:26 #69855

    Ok, time for dose of reality here. Chelsea are 7 points ahead with a game in hand, which is against leicester, so that's 10 points ahead in reality. We are not going to win the league. The failure to adequately address key areas (defence, holding midfielder) over the summer followed by an earlier than usual (but still inevitable) injury crisis saw to that. When the manager is being lauded over the summer and waxing lyrical about his "best ever squad" this should be remembered.

  54. Rachael Warham

    Apr 13, 2015, 10:11 #69853

    To be fair I had consumed a fair few but we all saw what happened to Liverpool last year!

  55. Ho Hum

    Apr 13, 2015, 10:04 #69851

    We're best priced 26/1 for the title this morning so lump on while you can Rachael. I'm sure Westlower is as we speak.

  56. jeff wright

    Apr 13, 2015, 9:39 #69849

    Tbh I'm completely baffled by this article .What is the point of it all ?