Rambo and co fit for purpose?

Does a British core equal a soft centre?



Rambo and co fit for purpose?

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As you do, I have been embroiled in debates with fellow Arsenal fans about the direction of the club recently. As I write we are second in the League, albeit it a very long way behind Chelsea and awaiting a Cup Final we should win. It's often disastrous to write articles like this at a point in time when afterwards it all could go terribly wrong, but we have reason to feel that we have made progress on last year and the years of seeming only to be contending for the ' fourth place trophy'.

If I could divert here it's interesting to reflect on our near neighbours as St. Totteringham's Day beckons yet again. They are rapidly reaching the twentieth successive season where they have finished behind us. When they have to finance and build a new stadium - and relocate in the process – may they reflect on the fact that we financed a stadium over ten years ago and always finished above them, despite a massive financial burden.

But that's not my main point today. In our discussions where a lot of clear ‘Wenger Out' campaigners had moved their position to 'No further contract after this one expires', we were looking at whether it is realistic to think that with a summer of positive team building - and I would define that as signing at least two very high quality players, possibly three, and not losing any pivotal players, we could contemplate a proper title challenge. I think most Arsenal fans feel that the big improvement this season has been built on a much tighter tactical approach away from home and most believe that the addition of a holding midfielder, of the sort we have been crying out for years is a crucial element. It is supremely ironic that the very sort of player we needed has been playing for us for the last six years. Serendipity or meticulous preparation? I think most of us feel the former applies!

There is a degree of optimism that the club is on a better and stronger path than it has been for many years but sadly I still see one major cloud.

A lot of supporters rejoiced when we tied our home grown contingent to long contracts. Theo is a slight variant but it was clear that the club had a plan and most supporters were positive that the home grown core would provide the basis of our next team. Wilshere, Oxlade- Chamberlain, Ramsey, Gibbs and Walcott are all excellent players with much potentially to contribute to the club. But if you pick our best eleven (and that is a highly contentious process!) how many of that group make it into your team? From my perspective only Ramsey would be in serious contention although a fit Oxlade- Chamberlain adds much to the team. But there I've said it! A fit Oxlade–Chamberlain. If you look at that quintet it would be hard to find a more injury prone group in English football. Wilshere has had constant ankle problems for the last three seasons which have substantially derailed his progress. He is ready for a first team return after six months out following an injury against Manchester United. Oxlade-Chamberlain is a powerful and exciting presence but needs a regular run in the team to underline his value. Anyone who saw what appeared to be a relatively trivial incident at Manchester United will be surprised to hear that he is likely to be out for the rest of the season. Another FA Cup Final missed. He missed a large chunk of last season after being injured on the opening day during that horrendous match with Villa. Aaron Ramsey saw last season's stellar campaign derailed by an injury at West Ham on Boxing Day that kept him out until April. This season he has had at least three spells on the sideline. Another fragile bloom it seems although any discussion of Ramsey has to take into account the horrendous damage done to his leg and his whole constitution by that infamous Shawcross tackle.

Kieran Gibbs' Arsenal career has been peppered by injuries. This season he has had no long lay- offs but you have to expect him to be injured around three or four times a season. Which brings us to Theo. Theo was injured in the Spurs cup tie in January last year and was out for about a year. He has been with us for nine years, has missed two Wembley finals and now finds himself struggling to get into a team that has adjusted to life without him. The day he got injured he produced one of his best performances in an Arsenal shirt as he and Gnabry ripped Spurs' defence to shreds with their pace and incisive running. But Theo misses around half of every season with injuries, many of which occur on England duty. Jack Wilshere's long- term injury problems started after playing for England against Switzerland at Wembley.

Two big imponderables emerge from this litany of regular injuries. Firstly is there something in the conditioning of young British players that makes them especially vulnerable to injury or is it the Arsenal conditioning that is the problem? And secondly, given their regular absences season after season can we ever expect this British core to become the heartbeat of the club and basis of the side?

We have had untold debates about injuries at Arsenal. Sanchez has been run into the ground this season and played almost every game as has Cazorla who plays roughly where Ramsey and Wilshere play and has avoided serious injury. British players are not the only ones who get injured. We have had plenty of French players struggling with injuries this season but analysis of the injuries suffered by the British contingent provides serious food for thought and suggests a similar fate may befall any other players coming through the ranks of the club. Have we really got a conditioning problem that increases the likelihood of home grown players being unable to fulfill their promise and lest we think that this applies to British players only let us consider the case if Serge Gnabry who has been with us for a number of years but has only just returned to fitness after many months out with injury.

Speculating about injuries at Arsenal is not new but could it be that Arsenal are producing young players, schooled by the club, or taken at an early age from another club and integrated into the Arsenal system who are not fit for purpose, no pun intended! It will be interesting to see the impact of Shad Forsythe, the fitness coach taken from the German World Cup winning squad. It is galling to note how few injuries Tottenham have suffered, bearing in mind that they have played more games (albeit several of them relatively meaningless) than any other English club.

We can speculate all we like about our chances next season but on the basis of the last five seasons any title triumph would have to be achieved primarily by a squad of players born and brought into the game outside the Arsenal system. We might love the idea of a British core but sadly that British core has a very soft centre. Food for serious thought I hope before next season.


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  1. AugustusCaesar

    Apr 27, 2015, 13:56 #70345

    I'm getting lectures from Jeff Wright on how to use the English language now. The man who rambles endlessly every day yet still hasn't mastered the simple placement of a comma or full stop. You couldn't make it up!

  2. Ozzie

    Apr 27, 2015, 6:23 #70327

    Perhaps we could drop 'English' and just call it Premier League; after all, most of the standout players are foreign, the coaches are foreign, the sponsors are foreign, the backers are foreign, the owners are foreign, the footy gear is foreign. Now why cant the English....

  3. maguiresbridge gooner

    Apr 26, 2015, 20:35 #70322

    Ron, good post, when you think about it it goes as far back as that maybe even further. A few more AKB's finally waking up? but i'm sure there's still some who think we can still win it.

  4. Ron

    Apr 26, 2015, 19:47 #70320

    EG - very true. The thing is the disciplines have bought into Wengers metronomic demeaning and damning of all other teams who dont play to his 'philosophy' for so long they've become institutionalized. Blackburn Bolton Stoke Chelsea. Theyve all been demonized for so long. The truth about that match today is that Chelsea really could and should have won it v an Arsenal team that started with 0-0 and were content to keep it that way. They looked like a team that didnt think they could win today.Wenger knows he s unlikely to turn Chelsea over until the Chelsea team declines. The sad fact is, that Chelsea will keep renewing and a decline probably wont set in under Mourinho. The fact is that hes probably in the top 3 Coaches in World football. Worst for us is that Arsenal are a million miles from truly challenging them. Today showed it starkly. Plus points? a few Gunners fans on 5 live saying that we need a change of Coach.

  5. maguiresbridge gooner

    Apr 26, 2015, 18:22 #70316

    Exeter, of course it is, except for ours, all the other teams are supposed to roll over just for him and allow his little technicians tickle them.

  6. Exeter Gunner

    Apr 26, 2015, 18:02 #70314

    Westlower bang on with the 0-0. I think it's the responsibility of other managers though to find a solution to the way Chelsea play, rather than moan about them not playing in a way that suits your own style.

  7. maguiresbridge gooner

    Apr 26, 2015, 15:14 #70311

    Exeter, arrogance of the highest order, and he's been like that for years and allowed to be, never slapped down for it (until Maureen and the specialist in failure jibe, that shut him up for a while) well he's told us it's easy to defend after years of seeing and witnessing different so there's no excuse now.

  8. jjetplane

    Apr 26, 2015, 11:57 #70307

    Nice one ROn and all of a sudden WEStIE likes Wrighty again after slagging him as a one man team in countless posts. WeSTIE and Lanchester appear poles apart but you know what they say about name droppers .... They never actually get to the races. On the Maureen front his beef is with Barca and always has been. He probably sees Arsene FC as a Barca B side and let us watch that ball moving out of the defence which is where Chelsea are at their best. That top 4 is shaping up again and who was talking up a CL and runners up? ..... Just mentioned on 5 live that Arsenal are a team in development. Darwin would not have lost much sleep on that one. That bleeding LVG again - quite like him after last week's post match. Did anyone notice it was Koeman day yesterday? Watch that space ....

  9. jeff wright

    Apr 26, 2015, 11:37 #70306

    Does your pal speak Russian then Westie> All sounds a bit dodgy to me this Rom story .Or desperation at work more likely ! 0-0 today (as you keep suggesting) is possible but I suspect that Wenger will as usual go for broke against his nemesis and as Henry points out in the Sun today Mourinho has Wenger sussed out tactically . Our man will need a bit of good fortune to win the game and end the never won against run 12 .As they say though 13 is unlucky for some .Or our players not losing possession when we are committed going gung-ho,as was the case at the Bridge of troubled waters before Xmas would help and that is not down to just bad-luck. Wenger however looking on the positive side is due a result against the mouthy one but in football, as in life itself, what you are due doesn't always transpire. So it's a case of fingers crossed then for payback time !

  10. Westlower

    Apr 26, 2015, 10:06 #70304

    The Racing Post are poking a bit of fun at Maureen under the heading 'Maureen should play it safe.' They suggest he won't play any attackers this afternoon, filling up his team with defenders & defensive midfielders instead. A team comprising of Zouma, Loftus-Cheek, Matic, Mikel, Filipe Filope, Ramires. We all know this won't happen as Maureen is not very courageous when it comes to rotation after his abysmal attempt against Bradford, went horribly wrong, 2-4. Coming off the back of conceding 5 goals at the Lane I guess it's not too surprising he's retreated back to type.

  11. Westlower

    Apr 26, 2015, 8:12 #70302

    A friend of mine treated his wife to an expensive anniversary dinner in Knightsbridge last night. Lo & behold who should be sitting at the next table but Abramovich & his party. I really shouldn't be telling you this but my mate overheard the Russian moaning about picking up a £890,000,000 tab to watch percentage pub style football, much loved by Maureen & FA trained English coaches. He went on to say that if ever Hazard or Arsenal reject Fabregas suffered long term injuries he'd rather watch a chess match, much loved by Russians as a known source of excitement. How come Maureen got eliminated by a French team at the same stage of the ECL as AFC, if knows how to defend so well? Here is the reading of the football results, Arsenal nil, Chelsea nil. Yet another great result for the tactical genius on behalf of a club nearly one billion pounds in debt. @Ron, me dislike Maureen, whatever gave you that idea? Well done Wrighty on presenting AP McCoy with his Champions jockey trophy, both Arsenal legends.

  12. Ron

    Apr 26, 2015, 7:42 #70301

    Westie and Jamie - if you both genuinely think Chelsa are just a dour,dogged, defensive, rugged bus parking team youre both as stupid as one another and dont see much football (i dont believe ether of you do) You can dislike them as much as you want in true childish football fan style, but why deny theyre one of the best teams the PL has ever produced. Mourinhos 2005/6 team was another. Football is far more enjoyable when you're not deliberately blind to the other teams. You ought to both try it. Westies detest for anything Mourinho is pathological, whereas youre just pathological Jamie. COYG - 2-0 winners today.

  13. Exeter Gunner

    Apr 25, 2015, 20:19 #70297

    After reading Westlower's comment I thought I'd forgotten when the game is on but no, it's another pre-emptive comment. The astonishing arrogance contained in those four words "It's easy to defend". In other words, the sh*te defending of the last decade was a choice. And people wonder why he's perceived as a fraud.

  14. maguiresbridge gooner

    Apr 25, 2015, 14:03 #70296

    Exeter, TOF loves to give the impression that he actually knows how, and not just with defending, and no doubt it will be lapped up and believed. You couldn't make it up.

  15. Westlower

    Apr 25, 2015, 13:57 #70295

    Breaking News: I have it on good authority that the owner of Chelsea FC is so embarrassed by the anti-football approach of his self adoring coach that they will not be releasing their end of season DVD, 'Champions of 2014/15.' Instead they will be releasing '101 great players out on loan.' A master class in how to make the wage bill appear significantly lower than it could be if they kept the excess players at home. Like a bridge over distorted wages.......What are the odds on Abramovich sacking predictable Maureen again? Oh, Maureen you are a boring, pragmatic tit, shut the door on your way out! AFC 0 - CFC 0. Attempts on goal - nil. Red card for Coquelin after reacting to thuggery from CFC's neanderthal midfielders.

  16. Bard

    Apr 25, 2015, 10:35 #70294

    You traitor Conchita. So youve had enough have you ? I even put one of those Wenger masks on last week that sent you into ecstasy. Ok I agree I've been injured and out of form for a long time,but Im in the wrong position, you know I'm not good coming in from wide left, I much prefer straight up the middle. You need to know it puts me off my stroke when you keep shouting '4th is a trophy' at the vital moment.

  17. Exeter Gunner

    Apr 25, 2015, 10:28 #70293

    If anyone's wondering why Wenger p*sses so many people off, quotes like this play their part: "It’s easy to defend. If we have to defend, then we will defend."

  18. jeff wright

    Apr 24, 2015, 22:44 #70292

    No one shot JR he was a fictional character,just like you are.

  19. Unchives

    Apr 24, 2015, 22:43 #70291

    Its incredibly stunning that we can be in the FA Cup final, second in the premiership and still fans are complaining. Man City, Man Utd, Liverpool,Spurs, would swap with us without question. How much did the other teams spend?

  20. who shot JR.

    Apr 24, 2015, 22:28 #70290

    so jefff has to have his worthless, self centred opinion. Typical, typical anti wenger, anti Arsenal creature who will pour scorn over any hindsighted issue to ensure his ego is the size of his bell end.

  21. maguiresbridge gooner

    Apr 24, 2015, 20:42 #70289

    Hiccup, nice one, i'm with Ron on this one and going for TOF to eventually get one over Maureen and eventually get this embarrassing record off his back purely because there's no pressure and nothing to play for of course, apart for the record itself ( and that could be pressure enough) but no silverware unless the wengerites class finally winning against Maureen as a trophy (so more claims of progress)so we can all imagine the whooping and high fiveing there'll be, maybe even a spot of bouncing on the pitch, along with TOF smiling like a Cheshire cat like we've actually won something, and the hard on brigade? they'll be partying like it's 1969 with no Viagra needed for a fortnight over what like jw rightly describes as another Pyrrhic victory.

  22. jeff wright

    Apr 24, 2015, 18:34 #70288

    Caesar I was stating what many have said who know more about the injury crisis at AFC under Wenger than you do. Then again most people know more about anything than you do anyway. By the way there is no such thing as 'pure conjecture' .Conjecture is just well, conjecture. My comments about Wenger's training and medical regime were not conjecture it's a matter of record that under him we have the worst injury and recovery from by players in the game and in the history of AFC. Now go and make a salad and have a glass of Chianti you will feel much better. Have you heard any news on Diaby 's progress >? You couldn't make it up.

  23. Peter Le Beau

    Apr 24, 2015, 18:13 #70287

    Chris Dee- I don't think it's arrogance to say the Villa game is a final we should win. That doesn' t mean we will but we certainly should beat a sude that we have beaten on aggregate 8-0 this season. I didn't include Welbeck or Chambers because they are in their first season at Arsenal. We have had all the players I mentioned for at least three years and though Walcott was brought up at Southampton he has been with us for nine years .

  24. Exeter Gunner

    Apr 24, 2015, 18:05 #70286

    Jamerson - you look more like Les Dawson's Ada than Conchita dressed like that.

  25. Exeter Gunner

    Apr 24, 2015, 17:50 #70285

    Augustus, I'd imagine he gets it from Wenger being the constant. The players change, the injuries persist. Perfectly reasonable bit of deduction. What's your alternative theory? Sheer bad luck, year after year?

  26. AugustusCaesar

    Apr 24, 2015, 17:47 #70284

    "Wenger's dated training regime and tactics are in many peoples view the reason why we have so many injuries." - Jeff Wright Pure conjecture. Where he does he get this **** from?

  27. Bard

    Apr 24, 2015, 17:27 #70283

    Chelsea to win by 1. Hazard to score. Maureen doesnt need to win which suits him down the ground. He will play two holding midfielders and hit us on the counterattack. We will make it easy because we will bomb forward.

  28. Hiccup

    Apr 24, 2015, 16:19 #70282

    I think we'll get beat 5-0. That means a 4-0 loss or less will be an overachievement by Wenger. I also think Labour will win zero seats, so if Miliband wins 1 seat he has overachieved, and Labour should stick with him for another 10 years.

  29. Ron

    Apr 24, 2015, 16:02 #70281

    Have a great week end lads. Sundays game. Strange feeling we're going to win so here goes - 2-0 Gunners.

  30. maguiresbridge gooner

    Apr 24, 2015, 14:47 #70280

    Exeter, just another example of an AKB not being able to think for themselves.

  31. jjetplane

    Apr 24, 2015, 14:19 #70279

    Complicated stuff this Game of Footballs. Wenger appears to be moving interest to Mag Mar who would certainly take Coquelin 'under his arm' and sweep all before him. I still remember when Jamie Lannister was a bad guy. Too much time away from Kings Landing (the Emirates) as made him a big softie - just like those lilly white ......

  32. Exeter Gunner

    Apr 24, 2015, 14:09 #70278

    NEWSFLASH Jamerson Stark - the 'Middle Aged Wolf' - slaughtered at 'Red BBQ'. He'd promised a King but only offered up an also-ran...

  33. jjetplane

    Apr 24, 2015, 13:54 #70276

    NEWSFLAsH Wenger in for Tyrion and has offered Lannister Utd 39 florins plus the one armed JAMERsON in exchange. Wenger believes 'Tyrion has the mental spirit and would be perfect with Jack-in-the-middle but yes we are ready for the Chelsea hordes and their Portuguese dragon and I believe also that JAMERsON would like a new challenge ...'

  34. Exeter Gunner

    Apr 24, 2015, 13:26 #70275

    "Wenger who in my opinion has always overachieved as the disgruntles are always saying we'll finish about fifth" But Jamerson/Tyrion, as we see from the above quote, us numpties and are the ones you check with to find out how well Wenger has done - what does that say about you? And 'bow legged midgets' - again you're taking your cue from me, Tyrion!

  35. maguiresbridge gooner

    Apr 24, 2015, 13:18 #70274

    Made up stat, and he still is, as the Reading game showed, but every time he starts to sink he always gets bailed out.

  36. Know Man

    Apr 24, 2015, 12:40 #70272

    @Ron Jack is just young, I love his attitude and the fact he puts himself about. Gets me on my feet and the fact he gives it out is commendable. We don't have a single hard man in the team and Jack won't lie down. Fair play to him that he never pulls out of a challenge despite his injury record. As for AW, we've won games in the last few months but his approach and methods do not convince me, you're right, he's accountable to nobody, it's ridiculous. Performances are poor, where would we be without Alexis, we have 2 dodgy keepers, Per and Arteta as Captains, you can't make it up! We need a keeper that can win us games, a centre back who is commanding and a captain who will galvanise the team and lead by example. Yes I know we are second but we are The Araenal and losing to Monaco and getting beaten by the top 4 each season is getting tiresome when it's the same mistakes each year.

  37. Ron

    Apr 24, 2015, 12:24 #70271

    know man - the Ox is by far the best of the homegrown crew as you say. Im not sure Willshere has the game brain to be a top player. Runs into traffic every time, falls over when brushed by another player. Hes got a bow legged running style and for a little bloke you would think his low centre of gravity would keep him on his feet. It doesn't though. I think generally hes got very dodgy ankles and they wont get better. He could help himself by not doing his daft flying into needless tackles routine but that's the english disease isnt it. They think crunching tackles win games, even if the said tackle is on the half way line! id get him fit, play him a bit and hope he doesnt break down and then sell him. Same with Walcott. The opposition Coach just needs to put a marker and back up marker on Wally and hes out of the game. Has no nous to do anything deifferent. As you say he cant beat a player. He doesn't change wings and cant cross a football to save his life. Hes too feeble to play in the middle. I do like Ramsey if for no other reason that hes a got a good shot on him. Under a decent Coach they could use him in a way like Chelsea used Lampard i.e. if he sees the goal tell him to have a dig. Ramsey tries to be too elaborate though and lacks the skills and ball control to do it. Its typical Wenger with him, he thinks he can make players become totally different players to what they are, rather than just trying to improve on what they're good at already. The team and the players are all just 'an experiment'for Wenger, an indulgence. The Board allow him to tiffle and tweak and experiment as there's nobody there who knows anything about the game to check him. His 'Coaches' are just stooges and may as well not be there it seems to me. His teams do not play to their natural strengths and lack physical presence at the back and in the middle. He ll never win a title in english football being as he is in my view.

  38. jjetplane

    Apr 24, 2015, 12:19 #70270

    Rage, Lust, Disgruntles - is this coming up on Game of Thrones or have we had it already. Sounds like a repeat to me. Is Jamerson the one with only one arm who tweaks nones before throwing them off the castle/Wok walls. We have a theme now we just a script and someone who can rage and lust their way into AKB Towers. If only it was a Game of Football ....

  39. jeff wright

    Apr 24, 2015, 11:57 #70269

    I can't see how anything has changed from the ' bad times' to where we are now . We were just par for the course over the period of time since the move from Highbury up until last season . Our 4th largest wage bill equating to a regular 4th place finish in the league. No under-achievement involved in that; or over-achievement either. With our current Chelsea style wage-bill 1st ,2nd, 3rd or 4th place is the least that one should expect . It is really all about managerial skills in using the resources to maintain a consistent run of results over the course of a season to be in a position during the league run-in to be able to have a chance of finishing first. Wenger has failed yet again to do that. The results in the Prem and again say so. In a rambling and largely incoherent typically ambiguous interview yesterday , while answering questions regarding Fabregas and Mourinho, Wenger made one sensible comment quote :" Chelsea are the team that has lost the least games this season and the league rewards consistency." I have no problem with Wenger's view on that point, in fact it is obviously true ! Wenger however should be looking at himself and asking why is it that he can't put in a consistent title challenge over the course of a season instead of just a run of wins for a short period against lower sides to just make the top 4 also ran places. Rather than him bleating on about a few recent results in the league that we see every season at some point. We are 10 points behind Chelsea with them having lost 2 games and us 6. This says that Wenger is not doing his job properly, if as he claims, we are good enough to win the league . As they say,the proof is in the pudding.

  40. Wallieson

    Apr 24, 2015, 11:42 #70268

    Was treating me mates to a bit of top nosh in a private room at the Atheneum Club to mark my latest knock-out victory over Crippler McCreah at the Royal Institute of Philosophy, when who should put his unwanted mug around the door and start sniffing around, but Fidel bleeding Castro. Now, I’m as tolerant as the next bloke, but the sight of that Marxist-Leninist instigator of a revolutionary Cuba wanting to get his nicotined mits on me grub without even so much as a by-your-leave made my blood boil. ‘Oi! Castro, you beardo cigar chomping git!’ I exclaimed with the decorum as befitting the surroundings. ‘What do you think you’re doing? This is a private do, not a one party socialist state.’ So, in an execution complementing Nietzshe’s theory that the corrosive effects of Nihilism will eventually destroy all moral, religious, and metaphysical convictions, I ran over and hit him with a cyclone side kick to the temple quickly followed with a karate chop to his throat. I must say it gave me extra pleasure to see that the subtleties of this attack were not lost on my dining companions who all laughed as one on seeing the former First Secretary of the Cuban Communist Party crumple to the deck like a jellyfish pummelled by a carpet beater. Their mirth easily penetrated the cardboard confines of their Gunnersaurus and Wenger masks. Nice one. Before I suggested the use of floodlights, no football matches were played at night.

  41. Know Man

    Apr 24, 2015, 11:32 #70267

    @Ron & Maguiresbridge I accept your points on injuries and I don't rate Wally particularly highly as he still runs into blind alleys and doesn't have the skill or know how to beat his full back, he lacks consistency for me. I'd play The Ox or Welbeck ahead of him every day of the week. The team suffer from injuries, yes The Ox and Wilshere have been unlucky, however these 2 in particular when they play have been and will be exceptional players. Ramsey in central midfield has already shown how good he can be, the fans get on the players back way too quickly. I never see Ozil getting any flack for less than average performances, if it's anyone else, they get slaughtered.

  42. Jamerson (the wob reducer)

    Apr 24, 2015, 11:19 #70266

    Not as soft as you lily white'S FJ,with your girly white kits and no heart players. Numpties like Exeter,Alsace and the rest of the complainers believe all the media hype that Arsenal fans are long suffering,boo hoo hoo.These trophy huggers pay peanuts barring five games a season and expect the world.

  43. Made Up Stat

    Apr 24, 2015, 10:52 #70265

    Cap'n Wenger mastered the good ship S.S. Arsenal through shallow waters for 10 years? Sounds like he was well lost to me...

  44. Bard

    Apr 24, 2015, 10:38 #70264

    Alsace I do get that mate but it aint going to happen.

  45. Mike

    Apr 24, 2015, 10:18 #70262

    It could be argued that EPL winning sides had a contingent of strong foreign players

  46. Finsbury Joe

    Apr 24, 2015, 10:03 #70261

    The manager, players and AKB fans all have a soft centre. The Newcastle fans deserve our respect, Gooners should also be seen to protest, enough is enough

  47. Exeter Gunner

    Apr 24, 2015, 9:35 #70260

    Jamerson if you think Wenger has overachieved because the disgruntles say we'll finish 5th, that means you view the disgruntles as the barometer of success. Wenger over or under achieves based on what the disgruntles think, is what you're saying. Didn't know you placed such incredibly high value on those views.

  48. Alsace

    Apr 24, 2015, 8:20 #70259

    Bard, it isnt the British players that we need to ship out. It's the manager and the back room staff that are the consistent factor in injuries. The players chhange, only the injuries are consistent. Wenger and his creatures out.

  49. maguiresbridge gooner

    Apr 23, 2015, 22:06 #70258

    Know man, your spot on we and others relied on a strong nucleus of British/English talent in the past and it was great to see some even still do. I wouldn't exactly describe the British/English contingent we have at the minute as a strong nucleus, Wilshire, Gibbs, Wally, etc, (even if they could stay fit long enough and eventually show this potential) they're not exactly in the same class as the others you refer to like RP, LD, Rocky, NW, AC, wrighty, etc, (there were no soft centers there) so i wouldn't say they're essential to our success at all so lets hope we don't have to rely on them. Maybe just maybe as some one has already pointed out under a new manager and training regime you never know but I still wouldn't bet on it.

  50. Ron

    Apr 23, 2015, 20:56 #70257

    Know man - very true and the principal that you advocate remains good. The difference is that in those examples that you mention, they actually played matches, consistently. Atr Arsenal, its Wally with his 9 years of not much more than sporadic bursts. Wilshere with his 6 years of the same and Ox with his 3 years of very little too.Gibbs with his frustrating injury ravaged 6 years and finally Ramsey, with his purple patch of 5 months intermingled with his 5 years of very little else. They're are all crocks and liabilities who Arsenal pay a fortune waiting some fitness miracle to occur that isn't going to happen. We wouldn't miss any of them in the event that the management took Bards advice and shipped the whole crew out. In any business other than silly football they would be deemed disposable through being unfit to carry out their reasonable responsibilities. Theyre all latter day Darren Andertons.

  51. Know Man

    Apr 23, 2015, 18:48 #70255

    History suggests that clubs who win the title have a strong nucleus of British talent, it's essential. We even relied on British players when Wenger was successful. Utd had Neville's, Scholles, Beckham etc. Chavs had Terry, Cole, Lampard & Cahill. City with Hart, Milner, Lescott ( although he was hardly deemed a success ). Point being the likes of the Ox, Ramsey, Chambers, Welbeck etc are essential to our future success. Nothing pleases me more than seeing British players, more so homegrown ones breaking through.

  52. Exeter Gunner

    Apr 23, 2015, 17:44 #70254

    Westlower, you know as well as anyone the high injury record dates back years and years. I'm sure you're as capable of seeing a pattern as anyone else. I don't know where this weird compulsion you have to pretend there isn't an issue when you know there is one comes from. Must be related to the 'unconditional' support in some way.

  53. Bard

    Apr 23, 2015, 17:12 #70253

    Peter; the injury situation has been done to death. There are those who view it as unlucky and others who view it as problem specific to Arsenal. Very few teams get as many injuries as we do over many years. As you note the so called home grown contingent are our perennial long term injured. I have said before that we need to ship them out. They are no use however talented if they only play a few games a season. Will it happen? Unlikely because Wenger isnt ruthless enough nor ambitious enough. Would Wenger have ditched a 2 time player of the season who defend( Mata), not in your wildest dreams.

  54. Hiccup

    Apr 23, 2015, 17:07 #70252

    A proper title challenge? Peter, where have you been? Have you not been reading the gospel according to the AKB on here? We have been and still are in the title hunt. But for a lucky winning goal against QPR and a lucky win over United by Chelsea, we would be favourites now. A win at the weekend and you'll see the oddsometer going in to overdrive on here. Yes just three more signings in the summer and next summer and the summer after... Me thinks it's time for another article from Polly!

  55. jeff wright

    Apr 23, 2015, 16:25 #70250

    Obviously not all our injuries are down to Wenger's training regime Westie but we have had more than our fair share of muscular ones in training and at games for many years now .Some ex-players and others in the game have suggested that the training and medical regime at AFC plays a part in this scenario and even Wenger himself ordered an investigation into the medical side of it all .The type of players, small technical ones, who have to play in a physical league also plays its part in the never ending nightmare. We will only see if all of these things are true when there is a change of management .Let's face it things can only get better on the injury front and also regarding competing for titles . The FAC was always in the past a sideshow for Wenger, as it is to all big club managers, but now it's become the main event trophy wise . Is this really progress >?

  56. maguiresbridge gooner

    Apr 23, 2015, 16:13 #70249

    A summer of positive team building? how many summers is it now that we have we been saying/talking about that, it will be the bare minimum again and if we were for the sake of argument to get 2 or 3 high quality players proper high quality players in you've then got the coach and coaching system which is/are outdated in itself/themselves not to mention the medical team/setup, don't forget that has to be factored in, something that isn't and doesn't be taken into consideration by some when all these players are bandied about. There's a soft centre running through the team not just the British core and they only seem to develop it when they arrive here (especially the brits who have been no great shakes we're still waiting for them to come good and fulfil their potential and no doubt will be for a long time), I suspect that's a criteria upon signing, show any hard man enforcer tendencies and you've no chance and any that slip through it's soon coached out of them or trained out of them, then you have idiots like smoking jack and a couple of others who think they are anyway and the first time he tries to prove it and let someone know he's there he crocks himself, and the other player gets up and walks away and it's back to keeping diaby company on the star ship enterprise for a couple of months. It was only a couple of days ago that a poster remarked on the difference in build between the reading players and ours they were more muscular and powerful than our light weight dwarfs, maybe if there was more work in the gym on that side of things and buying proper players and not light weight technicians, instead of running around cones and practicing tippy tappy and then stretching and concentrating on failed philosophies there'd be less injuries and embarrassments and more trophies and successes.

  57. jjetplane

    Apr 23, 2015, 15:44 #70248

    I hear you RON and WESTIE where is your argument? Maybe it's just the PL with it's flashy wages and playground football. A recipe for inertia if ever there was. When some of these players can be bothered physically they soon run into walls of their own making. See Chelski and Citeh are battling for fA Cup youth honours with both fielding mainly 'local' players. Arsenal went out to Crewe months ago. Oh the irony. Maybe some of these boys are more interested in their hair conditioning than their body one. Tattos are important too. On another point though related see that farcical boxing bout coming up tells us everything about where sport wants to go. Tickets to be resold for 60t bucks and only 1t on sale got 'public' and Mayweather spouting he is in fact greater than Ali. Why does that remind me of Walcott's withering review of those good old invincibles who I might say were not in Ali's league. Mind you - that Pires goal at Villa Park in the mud ..... It's a whole different mud now.

  58. Ron

    Apr 23, 2015, 15:21 #70247

    the injury problem at Arsenal is endemic and i cant wee why you distinguish between foreign player injury and Brit injury. There all the same. Its like a soap opera at Arsenal. A boring one too! Brit or foreign, AW isn't in my view winning any titles anyway.

  59. Westlower

    Apr 23, 2015, 15:18 #70246

    How is Arsenal's training regime culpable for recent injuries to Giroud (broken leg), Debuchy (damaged ankle & shoulder), Wilshere (damaged ankle), Koscielny (achilles), Gnabry (knee), Ozil (knee), Walcott (cruciate)? Man U have had as many injuries as AFC, does that mean they too have a problem with their training regime? Sturridge hasn't featured much for Liverpool, perhaps there's a problem with their training regime?

  60. CT Gooner

    Apr 23, 2015, 15:08 #70245

    Not sure why some folks think we are better than last year? I'd argue it's been groundhog day again, and will be til the regime changes. Have our results against the top opposition been much different? Yes we've been less tactically inept away from home, but that's about it.

  61. jeff wright

    Apr 23, 2015, 14:39 #70244

    It's St Georges day today so let's have a bit more optimism about English players! Wenger's dated training regime and tactics are in many peoples view the reason why we have so many injuries. When a new man comes in and changes things to a more modern training and tactical way of playing then I feel sure that the cursed plaque of injuries scenario will improve. I can't guarantee that results will get any better but it's possible that they may. After all ten years without a title challenge is not impossible to improve on.

  62. jjetplane

    Apr 23, 2015, 13:37 #70243

    Just watching Iniesta running through PSG to put it on a plate for Neymar. Small, not over built player who has been in the Barca first team since he was er 12 and is still doing it. Wenger's appropriation of all things Ajax/Barcelona has not worked in the past decade because he has not added anything to it. He sits on his hands and expects the players to work it out for themselves. They try and then they get injured because the direction is not there. It's all ad lib that sometimes manages to sustain itself for a run of games but never for a season. Watch how Guadiola cannot help screaming at his players even when they are five up. He even splits his pants in the process! Wenger tries that line too but notice how he is still within himself even when he is up and about. An accountant/football fan is never going to keep a team fit. Errr the picture also says it's Arsenal's cup for the mere taking which smacks of base arrogance. Some people are wondering why so many gooners do not like this eternal pitter patter that is the Arsene Years. Arsene is calling for supporters to be on their best behaviour with Fabregas's return. Shows how out of touch he is if he thinks a sunday afternoon snooze fest at the WOK will have supporters off their seats. A lot of them will wonder who he is?

  63. chris dee

    Apr 23, 2015, 13:08 #70241

    We are no different to Chelsea,City,Liverpool,Spurs and increasingly every other team in the Premiership.English players are slowly but surely being sidelined.The Premier League 'We are forming this league to help English football'is wallowing in cash and therefore foreign players will continue to dominate our teams. There in no other major league in the world where home grown talent is never given the time to develop. But it is also up to English players to show a bit of hunger and determination grab their chance when it comes. Kieron Gibbs for example still plays like a 19 year old who still hasn't learnt to defend.Theo, once fully recovered from his injury should be a regular 20 goal a season player and Jack must show some maturity by pulling out of avoidable tackles that lead to injuries. By the way Peter Le Beau! 'We are in a Cup Final we should win'Oh my gawd, shades of the postings that were made about the Birmingham final and the Hull final which we just about won.Please, please let's just hold the arrogance until if and when we actually win the cup.

  64. AMG

    Apr 23, 2015, 12:26 #70239

    Interesting article Peter, food for thought indeed. I'm not sure what you mean by home grown though - Ramsey grown at Cardiff and Ox and Walcott at S'hampton, if you mean British players, then why not include Welbeck and Chambers? I don't think it's a problem with English players, I think it's more a problem with players who are given too much game time before their bodies have developed properly. All the examples you mention have been playing first team football, and even international football, from as young as 16. A man is maybe 65-75% developed at 16 (with a few notable exceptions, Rooney and the Ox). I think that's the real reason we see so many injuries with these players, if you look at the older professionals we've brought in, they suffer very few muscular injuries, all tend to be impact injuries or as a result of over-worked joints, I would put those injuries down to the "Arsenal don't like it up 'em" perception and the threadbare squads we've seen over the past 10 years. Project youth = Injury prone players

  65. Exeter Gunner

    Apr 23, 2015, 12:13 #70238

    'Two different training regimes' applies to every club that has international players. AFC's injury record is disproportionately high, is not confined to British players and has been that way for many years now. The logical conclusion is that something is up with the training regime at the club.

  66. Westlower

    Apr 23, 2015, 10:25 #70235

    Peter we have no choice other than persevering with home grown talent. Greg Dyke & the FA have proposed that the number of home grown players from 8 to 12. Two of which must be registered by the parent club at least 3 years before their 18th birthday. From 2016 the number of non home grown players will be reduced from 17 to 13 spread over 4 years. Breaking news this week that Arsenal are employing the services of Michael Johnson, world champion sprinter, to develop the younger players athletic prowess. The other common denominator is that our young English players train, play & get injured while on International duty. Perhaps two different training regimes confuse the vulnerable human body?

  67. W

    Apr 23, 2015, 9:39 #70232

    An interesting article that echoes my thoughts exactly. I don't think our English 'lads' have cut it this season-through no fault of their own. You can't build a team around players that are so injury prone, however much everyone would like that to be the case. In my opinion, an English-free lineup is on the cards for the cup final.