#ThrowBackThursday - FA Cup Final Special

Part One of a reminiscence double



#ThrowBackThursday - FA Cup Final Special

1936 Final – No movie cameras allowed!


On Saturday, Arsenal will appear in their record nineteenth FA Cup Final – no mean feat considering that not so long ago many were mourning that Arsenal had for nearly a decade failed to reach the Final of Football’s oldest, and most prestigious domestic knock out tournament. In honour of this feat, I will therefore run through a two-part special covering all of the previous eighteen finals, starting today with a special #ThrowBackThursday running through the pre-Premiership era of Arsenal’s cup final footage.

Arsenal’s debut FA Cup Final appearance came on April 23rd 1927 – at what was the fifty fifth Final, though only the fourth to be played at what was then known as the Empire Stadium in Wembley. The final was also noteworthy as being the first to be broadcast by BBC Radio, with commentary performed by future Arsenal manager George Allison and children’s hour presenter and Larry the Lamb narrator Derek ‘Uncle Mac’ McCullough. The Corporation had been founded just a few months earlier by a Royal Charter, with one of the Public Service principles laid down by its original Director General – Lord Reith – being the promotion of a ‘National’ culture, with the FA Cup Final as a result elevated as an ‘event’ within the national consciousness.

The commentary for the 1927 FA Cup Final involved one commentator describing the action, while another called out what square the ball was in, on the basis of a grid which appeared in the Radio Times – allegedly where the phrase of being ‘Back to Square One’ originates from (an idea that anyone who has ever followed football via the Radio in the years since would probably ask why it was ever dropped as it sounds a pretty good way of following a game you cannot visually see!) Though the game took place on St. George’s Day, the slaying of Welsh dragons it seems was not to be on the agenda. Despite Scottish side Queen’s Park appearing in the 1884 and 1885 finals, this was to be the only time in its history that the FA Cup was to leave England. The final was to be long remembered for the howler dropped by Arsenal’s Welsh goalkeeper Dan Lewis, which led to Cardiff’s winner. However a far worse fate befell Cardiff goal scorer Hughie Ferguson who in 1930 was to take his own life due to depression, aged just 33.

Herbert Chapman’s Arsenal however were to return to Wembley again in 1930, against Herbert’s old side, Huddersfield Town . In honour of Chapman, both sides entered the field of play side by side – a Cup Final traditional which still continues to this very day. Seventeen minutes into the 1930 Final Alex James gave Arsenal the lead with a move involving a quickly taken free kick. In his time at Raith Rovers, north of the border, James had frequently performed this tactic as Scottish referees were more likely to permit it. In England he rarely got away with it and Herbert Chapman requested James to stop trying it. Luckily James refused to follow orders and the move led to Arsenal’s first goal. After being brought down forty yards from goal, James’s quickly taken free kick brought a one-two with Cliff Bastin before James put away Arsenal’s opener.

Outside of being the first major trophy win for North London’s finest, the 1930 FA Cup Final was notable for the freak appearance of the German Graf Zeppelin airship – which at the time was the largest airship ever at around 776 ft. in length - hovering at 200 feet above Wembley Stadium. I’ve never found a sufficient explanation as to why the Graf Zeppelin appeared over Wembley that day, and so assume it to be a case of the Germans showing off their recent achievements in front of the Auld Enemy in order to secure maximum publicity. The Graf Zeppelin – which completed the fasted circumnavigation of the globe a year earlier – had been a rare source of inter-war pride for a German nation that over the dozen years prior to 1930 had suffered humiliation after the losing the First World War and their subsequent punishment imposed by the Treaty of Versailles.

Such was the noise emanating from the Zeppelin as it hovered above Wembley that the game was halted before the ship dipped its nose in salute of King George V (present at Wembley as the guest of honour) and promptly disappeared from view. Many Huddersfield Town fans blame this disturbance for halting their side’s momentum in finding a way back into the contest and ultimately, Jack Lambert was to add a second goal two minutes from time to secure an Arsenal victory. A great irony however, is that the pilot of the Graf Zeppelin that day was a man called Captain Ernst Lehmann – a whole seventy five years before his compatriot and namesake’s penalty saving heroics delivered Arsenal the FA Cup at Cardiff’s Millennium Stadium in the 2005 Final.

Two days on from winning the FA Cup, Arsenal received a guard of honour from a visiting Sunderland side to Highbury, a fixture which Arsenal lost 1-0. There may be many that might think that the playing of League fixtures on FA Cup Final day, or League fixtures which are played after the FA Cup Final are a modern aberration which fly in the face of tradition, however a programme of First Division fixtures were regularly played on FA Cup Final day right up until 1948, with the televising of the FA Cup Final being the main reason behind the Final being given its own day after the completion of League fixtures at the very end of the domestic Football Season. In his posthumously published autobiography, former Arsenal boss Tom Whittaker hailed the fixing of a special day for the FA Cup Final as a ‘step in the right direction’ and that ‘in the past it was estimated that gates dropped by 250,000 when the final was broadcast, and nearly as much again when it was televised’.

With victory in the 1930 FA Cup Final, the foundations were laid for Arsenal’s decade of domination. Twelve months on they became the first side south of Birmingham to win the Football League title and come the start of the 1931/32 season Arsenal’s ambitions were drawn to becoming the first side to pull off the League and FA Cup double – a feat which had proved elusive in English football since the introduction of the maximum wage and retain and transfer system in the 1890s – both measures which had aimed to prevent the top sides hoarding all of the Nation’s talented players (the double in fact wouldn’t be repeated again until the era of the abolition of both in the early 1960s).

Arsenal’s title push in 1932 however came off the rails as a result of injury to playmaker Alex James, which resulted in their failure to win six out of seven league games, which ultimately put paid to Arsenal’s title defence. As seen from this Pathe News footage (along along with some very 1930s humour from Joe Hulme, which may sound a bit suspect to 21st Century ears!) Tom Whittaker had worked around the clock to get Alex James fit, but ‘Wee Alec’ was forced to sit out the 1932 final. It turned out to be another ‘North v South’ affair, this time against Newcastle in what came to be known as the ‘over the line’ final, in which the Magpies cancelled out Arsenal’s lead with a disputed equaliser, going on to win the contest 2-1.

Arsenal’s next final came four years later in 1936, with a hat-trick of League title wins from 1933 to 1935 in between. However, due to a dispute between the newsreel companies and Wembley Stadium’s owner – Sir Arthur Elvin – only this bizarre footage of the 1936 FA Cup Final, involving aerial shots of the Wembley pitch captured by auto-giro aircraft flying over Wembley, exists. The essence of the dispute was that after the 1924 British Empire Exhibition, the FA Cup Final had been Wembley’s only regular event. Prior to the introduction of Greyhound Racing and Speedway, Wembley Stadium was beginning to very much look like a white elephant. In order to seek extra revenue from the FA Cup Final, Elvin had requested a figure of £1500 from newsreel providers - such as Pathe, Gaumont and Movietone News - who had never previously paid for the privilege of showing footage from the FA Cup Final within their respective cinema chains. Collectively they were only willing to offer just £500 and as a result found themselves barred from Wembley on Cup Final day.

The 1936 Final was to be Arsenal’s last before the outbreak of World War II, they were however to appear in two wartime Wembley finals. In 1941 Arsenal drew 1-1 with Preston North End, before losing the replay at Ewood Park 2-1. Two years later Arsenal were back at Wembley to defeat Jimmy Seed’s Charlton Athletic side 7-1 in the Southern area final, however were to lose 4-2 in the national final against northern cup winners, Blackpool. Their first post-war final was to come in 1950 against a Liverpool squad which included future manager Bob Paisley. Paisley however was dropped from the first eleven on Cup Final day, as Arsenal ran out 2-0 winners .

For Tom Whittaker’s side, one further Final was reached two years later against Newcastle United. As with their meeting twenty years earlier, Arsenal had been in the running again for that elusive double. However after defeating Chelsea in the FA Cup Semi Final, Arsenal had to play eight league games in seventeen days in order to complete their league fixtures. Going into the game Arsenal had fitness worries, which were compounded when the Gunners lost Walley Barnes to injury after thirty five minutes and played the rest of the game with ten men, eventually losing 1-0 with a goal conceded six minutes from time.

That elusive double finally arrived with Arsenal’s next final, however it came after a nineteen year wait in 1971. The winner came from a goal scorer who was still five months away from being born the last time Arsenal won the FA Cup – and also came against Liverpool, the celebration of which brought much jubilation to the streets of Islington. As well as scoring the double on the pitch, Arsenal also hit the pop charts. The idea for a Cup Final song emanated from a competition on an episode of The Big Match in April 1971, as seen here. As Big Match presenter Jimmy Hill explains: ‘we ran a competition for viewers to write a song for them. Unfortunately, though some of the entries were very good, they were a bit wordy. So I came up with: Good old Arsenal, we're proud to sing that name. While we sing this song They'll win the game’.

‘Good Old Arsenal’ reached Number 16 in the Hit Parade with the victorious Arsenal squad appearing on Top of the Pops five days after completing the Double. However the footage of this episode, like most of that of Top of the Pops from the early seventies, has been wiped and no longer exists. The nineteen year gap between FA Cup Finals however was more than made up for, as over the following nine years Arsenal were to appear in four further finals, starting with the centenary Cup Final a year later. However, there was to be no repeat of the heroics of 1971, as Leeds United bagged their first ever FA Cup win, though ultimately failed in their own attempt at a League and FA Cup double, losing the League Championship to Brian Clough’s Derby County forty eight hours later with a 2-1 away defeat at Wolves.

Arsenal’s regular FA Cup Final appearances throughout the 1970s - viewed as they were by many across the world - were to bring the club a global profile, as shown from this Australian Television trailer for the 1978 FA Cup Final. That year’s final however was to prove disappointing as Ipswich took the Cup back to East Anglia with them after a 1-0 win. Despite the defeat, as shown by this advert for Dunn & Co in 1979, Arsenal by the late 1970s were beginning to gain a reputation as the most formidable Cup side in England and were back a year on for a final against Man Utd which, as shown from this LWT trailer for the Cup Final edition of World of Sport, was a mouth-watering prospect for the TV companies.

This ITN single camera angle footage of the 1979 FA Cup Final effectively shows how the match would have looked from a Cup Final seat at Wembley. The exciting final four minutes has since passed into Football folklore, as reminisced here by several of the ‘79 Cup Final side, many looking very different from their younger selves thirty five years on, as did Alan Sunderland here sending up his old look on an episode of Fantasy Football League’s ‘Phoenix From The Flames’ strand back in the mid-1990s. The final instalment of Terry Neill’s Cup Final trilogy followed in 1980 , but sadly resulted in an anti-climax for an Arsenal side who went on to eventually play seventy fixtures that season. The FA Cup Final came just ten days on from Arsenal’s fourth replay victory over Liverpool. The final was won by a rare headed goal from Trevor Brooking, as parodied here by Baddiel and Skinner for ‘Phoenix from the Flames’ .

Many of you may have noticed how, in recent years, many observers are often up in arms about Arsenal’s victory parades being organised before the trophies are actually won, as with this article in the Birmingham Mail about Saturday’s Final. Such articles however fail to take into account that you cannot simply shut off a busy road so close to Central London at less than 24 hours’ notice. In 1980 however – even after losing two finals that they reasonably expected to win – as this ITN footage shows, the civic reception and open top bus parade for Arsenal’s 1980 squad, still actually went ahead!

The double defeat of 1980, along with the departure of playmaker Liam Brady, brought with it the end of an era for Arsenal, who never reached another final for the following seven years. Though George Graham brought trophy winning habits back to Highbury after his appointment in 1986, it would be another thirteen years on from the West Ham defeat before Arsenal would reach another FA Cup Final, which came during the first season of the ‘whole new ball game’ era of the FA Premier League, which will be elaborated on in my second instalment tomorrow.

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  1. Saigon Gooner

    May 31, 2015, 8:52 #71593

    I was there at the 1980 parade and I think no team - winners or not - deserved iit more: that was a classic season - the battle with Liverpool in the Cup semis over five games, the win in Turin against Juve. We were desperately unlucky to lose against Valencia - we were just burnt out. Saw the game yesterday at Emirates: 25000 making ten times as much noise as the normal 60000. Why? Make the North Bank unreserved seating - and charge a fiver for entry. Arsenal could afford to do this week in week out. Why not?

  2. Tony Evans

    May 29, 2015, 13:27 #71559

    Westie - obviously that should read too early!

  3. Tony Evans

    May 29, 2015, 13:16 #71558

    Westie - tend to agree with you on that. Shame the final may have come too late for the Ox as I like his direct style of play.

  4. John F

    May 29, 2015, 10:25 #71555

    Roy I was also at the 1983 semis .The league cup one I remember the queue to get in was so large that I got in just before half time only to find out we were already 4-0 down.My team for the cup final Sanchez,Giroud,Wally out wide,Ramsey,Cazorla,le coq, Monreal,Gabriel,Kos,Bellerin and ospinia in goal.I do hope he does not play sir chez I would rather have Geoff Barnett back.I dropped Ozil because I've got Wally to give us width and we can't afford to have two non tackling players in the team.Bfg might be exposed against villa's attackers.Bad news is the mistic penguin in Birmingham has predicted a villa win.So I'm going to put money on them to jinx them as I always lose.

  5. Westlower

    May 29, 2015, 9:09 #71554

    @Tony, We should start with Giroud and bring Walcott on after 65 minutes when the Villa legs start to tire. No point doing it the other way round. I'd also start with Jack and bring Cazorla on with Theo in the 2nd half when there's space to play in.

  6. Tony Evans

    May 29, 2015, 8:37 #71553

    Roy - Yes the semi's in '83 were bad too. You have to experience that though don't you to really appreciate it when your team wins. Now then back to the Giroud / Walcott conundrum. Who should start, as both offer something different - Giroud can hold the ball up and is obviously better in the air but Walcott's pace and movement are far better and would offer Ozil and Cazorla more options to pick a pass. Will the master tactician (a little joke there) get it right?

  7. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    May 29, 2015, 8:20 #71552

    Just want to say to the AKBs and WOBs out there; put the antagonisation to one side at least till the final whistle on Saturday. We're in a cup final FFS, with a chance of silverware - not only that but we can become only the second side ever to retain the Cup twice - if you can't enjoy that then you really ought to be finding another way of amusing yourselves. Up the Arsenal. What did she wear?

  8. Roy

    May 28, 2015, 21:33 #71551

    Re: Tony Evans, yes 77-80 was a great time wasn't it and those two cup finals were also my biggest low, especially after attending almost every game that season including both finals. Looking back now though, after that team broke up I still can't quantify how we ended up with the likes of George Wood and Raphael Meade et al. Because as I remember, losing both cup semis to Manure in 83 hurt quite a bit as well !

  9. jeff wright

    May 28, 2015, 21:01 #71550

    mg, a bit of luck in the cup can off-set for a lot of sins .To win the league though you need more than that .Of course as we saw in the League Cup final v Brum luck can be a transient thing .There is always that element of chance in a one-off game but the added extra-time and penalty shoot-outs usually work in favour of the better sides and these elements saved Wenger in last season's semi against Wigan . Thanksto Flappy's heroics . And the extra-time and stronger subs to chuck on than what Hull had in hand in the final beat them in the death Also recently in the semi against Reading a calmatious keeper clanger was required for Arsene to triumph. Old Arsene does tend to make hard work of beating opponents at Wembley in cup games that we should be putting away more easily. So I guess that Villa will be looking at that and thinking that Wenger surely can't carry on forever being lucky .It's on the day though and he could get lucky again or for once produce a convincing win . Personally I think he will make hard work of things again he just does not exude any confidence and this rubs off on our players. Wally tore up the script in the first half against already got the suntan cream and sun-glasses packed for the beach West Brom the other day .It all reverted back to norm in the second half though.Wenger's half-time team talk obviously had worked again !

  10. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 28, 2015, 20:58 #71549

    jj, they'd still be there passing it to death.

  11. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 28, 2015, 20:31 #71548

    jj, yes another one for the list, but didn't you know it was OGL who made him? even though if he was still with us you can be dammed sure that lovely shot he had/still has on him and the fact he likes to try his luck from distance would have been coached out of him long long ago. jw, indeed and the same was said last time, it's going to take a hell of a lot more than a couple of FA Cups, one (so far) in which he was lucky enough not to suffer another embarrassment in to make up for the last ten years of failures, humiliations, and embarrassments. So lets hope he does do the decent thing and walk regardless.

  12. Ron

    May 28, 2015, 20:21 #71547

    I always think its good to look for parallels in Cup Finals. This one on Saturday brings one to mind for me. My Brother in Law is a big W B Albion fan and i can recall him decked out in his colours back in 1968 and off to Wembley with his mates to see the Baggies take on Everton. The Baggies had a mediocre season that yr but were always very good at the Hawthorns. If my young teenagers memory serves me right the Albion had beaten us there? 1-0 in the 4th or 5th round? Dad and i went. Gutted! Tony Brown scored. Might have been the season after though? Anyway, Everton were a rich Millionaires Club then. Great players like Labone, Harvey,Scott, West , Kendall and Jimmy Husband and Co. Top Club. The Albion won via an Astle goal. Met Jeff Astle in later life. Lovely bloke and i had the chance to tell him he was the best header of a football i ever saw, then and since. Albion were on the rack football wise for large parts of that Final but eventually Everton cdt crack them and ran out of steam and Albion got a foothold and won it. Jeff Astle just said they went to enjoy it but had a gut feeling that they might nick it. So pleased for my B in Law. He still talks of his day at Wembley. Fans of the so called lesser Clubs love the Cup more than us ive no doubts of that. Sadly lads ive the same feeling for the week end and think Villa might win the Cup. Accept Villa are a far bigger Club than the Albion were but there are parallels and i think fate might just take the Cup back back to Bham.

  13. jeff wright

    May 28, 2015, 18:54 #71546

    If judged by our performances against the likes of Anderleacht and mighty Monaco are anything to by then our little men could well have struggled against either of those two Ropey-Cup sides . Villa and other Prem sides in the FAC is our level under Arsene these days. You can argue about all sorts regarding football but actual facts are not one of them.

  14. jjetplane

    May 28, 2015, 18:39 #71545

    Liked JM's remark saying Wenger would like the season to start in January, I imagine to stave off the incredible fatigue of passing it to death. Great game last night and wonder how Arsene's band of smiling gnomes would have got on.

  15. jeff wright

    May 28, 2015, 18:15 #71544

    jj , there are a good few ex-players of ours who have done better since leaving Arsene .I had to smile watching him squirm when asked about Mourinho's remarks regarding the non-existent inept title challenge that Wenger managed again this season. For me and others another FA Cup is not enough to justify Wenger staying on he should go win or lose after the cup final.

  16. jjetplane

    May 28, 2015, 18:04 #71543

    See Reyez picked up his 4th Euro Cup winners medal last night (a winners medal is a winners medal) and still has a lovely shot on him and even likes to tries his luck from distance. What yer think of that then Arsene? They are all happy to get away and win something interesting.

  17. jeff wright

    May 28, 2015, 17:49 #71542

    Thanks for the advice Paul Adams but I suggest that you try doing it yourself.

  18. John F

    May 28, 2015, 17:39 #71541

    My first and most depressing final was the Ipswich one.I turned up with my silk arsenal are magic scarf's tied around my wrists DMs,Ben Sherman shirt and turned up jeans convinced we were going to win.Arsenal were awful against what turned out to be the best ever Ipswich side.The memory I take from that game was the wall of noise !coming from the Ipswich end.I was so depressed i bunked off school on the Monday.On theTuesday my teacher read out my fake sick note to the class stating John was off because he was feeling sick.

  19. Paul Adams

    May 28, 2015, 17:38 #71540

    I was a young man in 1971 but managed by devious means to obtain a ticket for the match, still have the ticket stub!. I was bedecked in yellow & as I was walking up Wembley way I was confronted by a few Scousers, who informed me I was going into the Liverpool end of the ground & suggested I swap my " Scouse end " ticket for the Arsenal end . The rest is history, would it happen now? Probably not. Was at Charlie George's end to see the winning goal, never managed to thank those Scousers😄 COYG. PS Jeff Wright is pouring cold water for Saturday's game, get a life JeffFgpm

  20. jeff wright

    May 28, 2015, 17:11 #71539

    Wenger already looksand sounds confused about who he will start with I go along with the school of though that he will play Giroud and the usual sluggish Wembley start from us. The FAC ain't wot it used to be' these days with the semi finals played at Wembley taking away much of the old magic that playing to get to Wembley used to provide. The late afternoon TV orientated kick-off is another blow to the old cups magic and bringing back the all day build up by the BBC will make the day's events even longer. However, if viewers can't be bothered watching the actual final at 3pm then why would they watch these pre-match shows is the question >? Also the past dumbing down of the FAC by such as Sir Ferguson and Wenger himself for 9 years has tarnished its reputation with the 4th place trophy taking over in the pecking order of priorities with the Champions League place and big bucks beating winning it with only a Ropey-Cup place and less dosh for winning the FAC kicking in as well. Tbh I would have more of the old feeling of excitement about the final that I usede to have years ago when the semis were played at gaffs like Villa Park and Hillsborough if today someone other than old Arsene ( yawn) was in charge for us. Then the claims that winning the cup could be used for a springboard to greater things next season ( as was claimed last year ) would have more credibility and make the win a bit more substantial than it just adding a sixth FAC win and a some much needed gloss to Wenger's rap-sheet for trophies won. If he wins the Cup on Saturday he will have a hat-trick of them since winning his last league title in 2004.Nothing else won by him though. Not many managers get 19 years to win all of those FA Cups in anyway and also the fact that despite a constant top 4 place, and regular European Cup football, Wenger has only ever won the FA Cup with no Prem title challenge seen since 2004 by him does rather expose his limitations. It is a cup final though and the history books will only show the result in the future and on the day that is all that matters. Although I'm sure, as was the case last season, that some Wengerites will try to put more spin on it than is warranted. C' est la vie!

  21. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 28, 2015, 17:00 #71538

    Realistic Gooner, it's amazing alright, and I can think of a lot more words than that, that now some of those very fans have the bare faced cheek to accuse those who took the FA Cup seriously (and always did and always wanted our old manager to do the same)of now jumping on the band wagon after we've reached another final. If anything it should be the other way round, but no doubt those very fans were the first in line to snap up the FA Cup final tickets.

  22. Ron

    May 28, 2015, 16:22 #71537

    Hi brd - Wally will get on at some stage but youre right he ll start with Giroud. I think he should do to be honest. Wally and Willy shdt be near to starting as neither got us to Wembley and there isnt really a case to inc either as starters. Both on the bench though. To be honest i think OG could do ok v the Villa. Theyre not brilliantly adept defensively and can be cumbersome at the back. Im looking forwards to it too. Villa can play some tidy football despite their wretched season. Sinclair, Grealish and Cleverley are doing the business for them now and Benteke is the type who can bully us or anybody really. My worry is that their record is so poor v the Arsenal especially at Villa Park and what better place than a final to improve it! COYG

  23. Bard

    May 28, 2015, 16:00 #71536

    Ron I think it could be a good game. There isnt really any pressure on Villa as they arent expected to win. They have some good footballers. There is a massive question mark over whether we can score goals. Apart from the Theo burst we have been useless in front of goal recently. The brave call would be to play Theo as it means Villa have to sit deeper and there is more space for Ozil to play balls behind the defence but my gut feeling is that he will stick with Giroud. Looking forward to it.

  24. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 28, 2015, 15:07 #71535

    A good read as usual Robert with some nice pieces of nostalgia and interesting titbits especially the Zeppelin pilot been named Lehmann. Thank God there's no mention of a wenger in the thirty's or before as he'd probably be credited with building Highbury as well as the Emirates.

  25. Ron

    May 28, 2015, 14:43 #71534

    Colin - Always too dependent on O Leary at the back. He was good, but wasnt a 'cornerstone' type defender. We could score goals then with Frank Stapleton and Super Mac and the lads in the middle scored frequently and play smooth stuff in the middle of the park but we were often feeble at the back.

  26. Tony Evans

    May 28, 2015, 14:43 #71533

    Realistic Gooner - You are right about the manager prioritising the CL or Prem over the FA Cup but I am not sure the players did, after all they dance to Wenger's tune; and the fans definitely not as far as I am concerned. Good to see the BBC 'bigging' the old competition up on Saturday, and apart from the 05:30pm start it is almost like the good old days of the 70s and 80s again when you could enjoy the build up for virtually the whole morning and afternoon until kick off. It's still a great cup in my book and how many Spuds fans etc would love to be in our shoes come Saturday.

  27. Ron

    May 28, 2015, 14:33 #71532

    Yes, it was a good day Westie. We were as unreliable in the Neil years as ever we are now that's for sure. Atmosphere was brilliant that day. Its rather a 'tinny' atmosphere at Wembley now. Nothing like the same. Be a good game on Saturday. The outcome will depend on Villas mindset. Theyve not the players to keep it tight and make us toil as we do v packed defences. They need to bravely get it wide, put crosses in and allow Benteke to attack our centre statues and dodgy keeper, If they do, they could well win. If they dont and try to contain, i think Arsenal will beat them convincingly in the end. Im expecting Villa to be on top 1st half though as we check them out and contain, focusing on Benteke, perhaps too much so. Another factor is whether any of the younger Villa players freeze.

  28. Westlower

    May 28, 2015, 13:00 #71530

    @Ron, The 79 final was one of the best days of my life. I suppose it was all the sweeter as we nearly threw it all away as the game should have been over at 2-0. It was early days for betting on football as I was heavily involved in greyhound racing at the time, but I foolishly bet on Arsenal winning 3-2 at 40/1. It was the bet of a childhood fantasy & would never happen in reality. My heart nearly exploded when Alan Sunderland scored the late winner & the bookies payout amounted to a weeks wages. As most of my mates were Manc supporters I was instantly bomb proof after years of put downs. The key moments in this Gooners early life were, 3-0 v Anderlecht, 1-0 at the Lane, 3-2 against the Mancs at Wembley, 2-0 at Anfield. If past history is anything to go by it'll be a tight game against Villa. Only one goal has separated the teams over the past 10 years. You've got to go back to the Manc beating Millwall 3-0 for the last clear victory. Villa are 6/1 to win at 90 minutes & 3/1 to lift the trophy. Arsenal are 4/7 over 90 minutes & 2/7 to lift the trophy. Correct score of 2-1 to Arsenal is 8/1.

  29. Paulo75

    May 28, 2015, 12:21 #71528

    Butterflies are building, Come on the Arsenal !!!!

  30. Torbay gooner

    May 28, 2015, 11:59 #71527

    Thank you Robert, some fantastic links included there, a few I remember as a teenager such as the Dunn & Co advert! Lucky enough to be at Wembley and see Arsenal lift the FA Cup and do the double in 98'. Let's hope we can set another record on Saturday!!

  31. Ron

    May 28, 2015, 11:27 #71526

    Went to the 78 and 79 Finals. The 79 match has always been said to have been a poor match save for the 4 mins. It didnt seem that way. Great felling that day. The teams of the 77 to 81 era should have done so much more in the league. We had some really great players. Great times to be a Gunners fan. We didnt need wall to wall TV and todays yankie type razzamataz back then to generate passion for football. It was a given. The touts selling tickets for the big games at Highbury then was far more efficient than what AFC manage to do now too. They served me well for many years!!

  32. Bob Matthews

    May 28, 2015, 11:17 #71525

    Chris Dee....spot on, it doesnt matter how old you are that gut wrenching stomach still happens on cup final days.My first final attended was league cup v Leeds 68 followed by Swindon 69. Cant get much worse than that although imagine my feelings when Charlie crashed in the winner in 71 v Liverpool, my first Wembley win. Wont be there in person on Sat but will be in front of tv fearing the worse but praying for the best. COYG

  33. Tony Evans

    May 28, 2015, 10:37 #71523

    Chris Dee - I went to the Westham final and hated every minute of it - even getting there was awful and it was a stinking hot day if I remember correctly. Terrible game and I have only been back to Wembley once since - and that was for a Conference play off for my now local team. Would have loved to have seen Arsenal win at Wembley, but a few Arsenal mates and the TV is great anyway and at least you can switch it off if we lose.

  34. chris dee

    May 28, 2015, 10:21 #71522

    Two days to go.Starting to get nervous,can't listen to the radio talking about the final,don't read the newspapers writing about the final,can't discus the final with friends.Watching TV programmes,shopping,eating,working but I'm just going through the motions.I am only thinking of the final and praying for a win on Saturday.They say as you get older you become wiser,more calm,more accepting.It ain't true! Went to Wembley when we lost to Leeds 1-0 and West Ham by the same score,I wouldn't go again even if I had the chance.I'm so superstitious I would blame myself if we lost.

  35. Bard

    May 28, 2015, 9:53 #71521

    Very enjoyable read, thanks for that Robert. Im very relaxed about Saturday. The worst that can happen is that we come second which will be an improvement on our league position, so you could argue that it's a success which ever way it goes.

  36. Tony Evans

    May 28, 2015, 9:28 #71519

    Wear Your Colours - that period between 77 and 80 was amazing wasn't it. Not quite good enough in the League but a great cup side and there were some terrific matches on the road to Wembley. Losing to Valencia was (and still is) my biggest ever low with Arsenal - two cup final losses in the space of a few days.

  37. Wear Your Colours

    May 28, 2015, 8:56 #71518

    Robert, thanks for the recollections. It underlines why the forthcoming FA Cup final is such an important milestone in the History of Arsenal Football club. As a teenager, I went to all three of Terry Neill's FA Cup finals at Wembley. I also went over to Brussels for the final with Valencia too. I can vividly recall travelling back overnight for some ten hours or so by coach, ferry and train. I went straight into school (sixth form college) the following morning wearing my yellow and blue cap, rosette and carrying my yellow flag. The fact we'd lost both finals in a couple of days mattered not. I was still proud to be a Gooner and proud of my team. Looking forward to the game on Saturday and fervently hoping we record our twelfth success in the competition. COYG!