The Rise or Fall of the Premier League?

English clubs' continued struggles in Europe don't bode well for the Premier League



The Rise or Fall of the Premier League?

Mourinho – Success would help Arsenal’s chances of continued CL involvement


Last summer I submitted an article which detailed how the performances of English clubs in the Champions League had taken a steep decline since 2009. It was greeted with a mostly lukewarm response, but another season in which no English club made even the Quarter Finals of the Champions League instigated the long overdue discussion of the Premier League's relative strength, in particular amongst the majority of pundits. This season, even the Europa League didn't witness an English club in the Quarter Finals which again is testament to the struggling state of English clubs.

This issue has become all the more pressing because of Italian clubs greatly improving their results in Europe. The UEFA coefficient, which takes a (somewhat flawed) mean average of all national representatives' European results across the Europa and Champions League, is used to determine the overall strength of each country's top domestic division. Unless there is a major improvement of performances amongst the English clubs in Europe, this trend will soon see the Premier League lose the right to qualification of the Champions League through finishing fourth. At the current rate that would be by the end of next season or the one after.

I looked before at why the top English clubs had declined, and argued that the 'relative spend' arguments were disingenuous given the waning quality of Arsenal's domestic rivals. For this article I wanted to quickly examine - being also interested in what readers think of the Premier League's current situation - whether the league's biggest clubs are likely to make the improvements that are so desperately needed for the good of English top flight football in general.

Chelsea
They are head and shoulders above even their 'closest' competitors. Bringing in the brilliant (if invidious) Jose Mourinho was a major turning point. Most significantly, however, they remedied the deficiencies in their squad and added world class talent to the spine of their team - Courtois, Matic, Fabregas and Costa. Their loss to PSG was probably due to fatigue primarily. Their starting XI is brilliant but overplayed - it is no surprise they used the least players in the Premier League (22). Their new players saw the typical decline of form past January, given the denial of their routine Winter Break. They avoid including very young and older players, hence their lack of squad depth. Mourinho has indicated this summer's transfer activity will address that issue (and only that). I expect them to make a serious challenge for the Champions League next season.

Manchester City
Never mind everything, money can't necessarily buy you Champions League progression past the last 16! I have said before that City lack heart on the big occasions, probably because, as many suggest, their chief motivation for joining the club is money. Pellegrini has now publicly acknowledged that they need an English core, obviously recognising that artificially-based financial solutions are not alone sufficient to guarantee success. They also need to drop their preferred 4-4-2 in Europe, which is suicidal against Europe's elite teams. I don't see that happening as their team is built around Aguero, who is weaker in the lone striker's role, but they will undoubtedly target a number of English players this summer and pay other clubs generously to procure their capture.

Arsenal
This is obviously discussed permanently on this site. Generally, most seem to agree that the team's spine is not strong enough. It is unlikely Wenger will reverse his modus operandi and make the necessary purchases this summer, but the team now is at least settled and has good strength in depth, so I expect an improvement in Europe next season.

Manchester United
This financial juggernaut of a club has already splashed some £150m on transfer fees alone under Van Gaal. That has returned a slight improvement. They will allegedly spend similar sums this summer alone, which stands to reason. It is hard to predict what the outcome will be given the scale of player purchasing, but that they outdo every other club in terms of financial outlay can hardly be in doubt. A new seeding system might mean they have to face a team like Valencia to qualify for Champions League football, and for the sake of the coefficient it might be better that they compete in the Europa League.

Tottenham Hotspur
Embracing a thriftier approach as they try to fund a new stadium, their team is sparse in quality. If Harry Kane stays loyal to the cause and they unearth some rarer talents then they may well improve their Europa League performances.

Liverpool
They have some brilliant players but are virtually certain to lose Raheem Sterling, while the excellent Daniel Sturridge is struggling from prolonged injury problems. They have strong enough star players with Henderson and Coutinho, for example, to build around for Europa League success, but they do have major deficiencies and will struggle to make a smooth transition without Champions League football to attract the best players. Given that, it is unlikely they will mount a major challenge for the Europa League.

All in all, the prospects for the English clubs looks strong enough, but unless there is a drastic improvement in their European results, expect to hear about a 'Third Place Trophy' in a year or two.

Just a quick note at this point to mention that we are recording the end of season Gooner podcast this evening, hosted by Piebury Corner.
Our panelists will be Mike Francis, Mustafa Goldstein and David Oudot. If you have any topics or questions you wish the panel to debate, and get a namecheck in the process, please either…
Email them to [email protected]
Tweet them to @GoonerPodcast
or just leave them in the comments below this article. Thanks.


NEW! Subscribe to our weekly Gooner Fanzine newsletter for all the latest news, views, and videos from the intelligent voice of Arsenal supporters since 1987.

Please note that we will not share your email address with any 3rd parties.


Article Rating

Leave a comment

Sign-in with your Online Gooner forum login to add your comment. If you do not have a login register here.

37
comments

  1. Hi Berry

    Jun 05, 2015, 20:27 #71809

    Schoolboy errors from Farmer Jim - I think you'll find it's sugar beet planted round these 'ere parts - not beetroot - which is harvested mechanically in the autumn before being transported down to the Silver Spoon sugar refinery at Bury St Edmunds...to the exasperation of many a driver stuck behind a lorry on the A143. The pungent smell that pervades the area during the winter beet-boiling months is cloying to say the least. Lovely and exorbitantly expensive as Southwold is - it's actually in Suffolk.

  2. jjetplane

    Jun 04, 2015, 13:18 #71788

    JAMERSON - a Fen Man still lost in flat world visitations. I recommend Graham Swift's Waterland and Richard Mabey's Nature Cure for you. Perhaps you have read them. I was a potato picker on the Scottish borders in the 80s in between working as a DJ. Giz a job! I take it you will have a lap top nad the shed is mobile so expect you on here within the hours. Up the ****ing Arsenal laddie!

  3. Joe S.

    Jun 03, 2015, 21:26 #71778

    100% agree with Ron that Arsene Wegner would make an excellent FIFA president having both the diplomatic skills and respect in Asia and Africa to be taken seriously.I also think that of the English power houses Arsenal would be in the best position to challenge the Spanish money for a European Championship, providing of course there is some sertous investment in the two key positions which all non AKB fans have for some time been pin pointing to. What we saw in the FA cup final was a master class display by a playing group which should only get better. This week in Sydney I have been blessed by the visits of both the Spuds and Chelsea.Allowing for the fact that both these games were friendlys i came away with the impression not only that Australian football is heading for a good place, but also Arsenal have this season put themselves in a position where only their lack of courage to splash out will prevent them from seriously competing for the major titles.

  4. jeff wright

    Jun 03, 2015, 13:52 #71765

    Dear Jamie, stop bigging yourself up Wenger is more cunning than you are and if he can't defend his own decisions and failures,bizarre signings and unkept promises than why should you be able to do better. My advice to you ou is go and give yiour shed a new coat of paint. Blue of course.Regarding Wenger for FIFA can't see him being the man to put things to rights. He is too arrogant and stubborn like Septic himself and has made too many enemies such as his fellow Froggy' fair-play' Plattini.Wenger is not even piopular these days in France in fact they look on him as being a bit of an out of touch old fool.The scandal with the Parisian tart put a big dent in his up until then Monsieur Morality persona.

  5. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jun 03, 2015, 13:24 #71763

    Howard, and you can just see him doing a Gaddafi and Saddam, cowering in some hole underneath the Emirates unkempt with a big beard refusing to come out.

  6. jjetplane

    Jun 03, 2015, 12:39 #71758

    'You Sir, are an Ostrich - next' .....

  7. exiled&dangerous

    Jun 03, 2015, 7:15 #71750

    Any thoughts on the other club in Europe this coming season? That there Europa League is a terribly bloated competition, far too many games if you want to go all the way, but Southampton ought to be good enough to make some progress, don't you think?

  8. Howard

    Jun 03, 2015, 6:42 #71749

    Saddam, Gaddafi and Blatter all gone only Kim Jong-un and Wenger left.

  9. jamdowngooner

    Jun 03, 2015, 0:35 #71748

    Until England see the CL as the primary objective (as the Continentals do) we won't compete. That could be never

  10. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jun 02, 2015, 23:22 #71747

    Ron, indeed, if ever there was a man to replace Blatter it's OGL (why could this investigation not come about last year)) but it's probably come two years too early for him, as jw says it looks like we're going to have to put up with him for the remainder of his contract as the big announcement of his retirement that we were waiting on didn't come. But I suppose you could look at it that it has come at a perfect time for him after all, it would give him the opportunity to go out on a high (well a sort of a one anyway)and give him the perfect opportunity to do something he says he never does, break a contract, citing this opportunity might not come around again. So there we are then, the perfect person for the job at maybe the right time after all, and he can travel the world with FIFA as the real top man having his ego massaged everywhere he goes and he can waffle on about speeritt and mental strength to all the other fat cats until his hearts content.

  11. Andy

    Jun 02, 2015, 23:00 #71746

    The UK's record in the Eurovision Song Contest is better than Wenger's

  12. jeff wright

    Jun 02, 2015, 22:55 #71745

    Ah ! lee KFC's alter ego Tony Pepsi pops up again... my posts since the weekends are on here idiot unless you think that someone else has been posting in my name ... or more likely you don't really read many posts on here with you being busy elsewhere ...Anyyway chicken if you don't like my posts then why do you read them and keep commenting in your own inimitable style of a man with a painful boil on his arse ... cluck...cluck...cluck...

  13. Tony pepe

    Jun 02, 2015, 21:38 #71744

    Amazing, Jeff has all of a sudden found his voice after the weekend. Been a bit quiet of late. Now, suddenly, plenty to say. Most of it rubbish and more negativity. Painful to listen to your rubbish.

  14. Ron

    Jun 02, 2015, 20:14 #71743

    said in jest MG but i reckon Arsene missed his vocation by not going into politics. FIFA could well use him throwing his hat in the ring. Hes a diplomat, multi lingual, he cares about football, hes a man of the World, widely regarded as a man, knows footballs warts and dirty underbelly, Eloquent and not least, hes a teflon man. Seriously, its such as he that the game needs at that level.

  15. jeff wright

    Jun 02, 2015, 19:46 #71742

    mg, there has been some very odd signings of mediocre French players by Wenger over the years when better ones of other nationalities were available .Given his commercial deals in France and previous well paid French TV work many have suspected a conflict of interest at work in this by Wenger . He was once at a Q&A session asked about the 'geriatric' Silvester one and became rather agitated about that.He has refused to do any more of these question and answer shows since. He doesent like being asked awkward questions about anything though aswe know only too well. It's disappointing that more media types doo not ask him some instead of just accepting what he says at face value. We expect this from the AKB's but the media should be asking more pertinent ones considering tht Wenger has failed to produce a title challenge for donkeys years and after 20 years is celebrating winning FA Cups after for 9 years ignoring the competition as being a waste of time with him having more important targets. Anyway I expect him now to see out his remaining two years and to keep the Stan business plan running to justify his 8m a year wages. No one gets paid that to just win FA Cups .The Champs League TV cash, as Wenger and old Hill-Wood once admitted, is the real trophy that counts in Stanland.

  16. Westlower

    Jun 02, 2015, 19:03 #71741

    Before we all get wrapped up in a frenzy of transfer activity a reminder of the rules governing a 25 man squad. 8 must be home grown which means we can only lose one of Chambers, Coquelin, Gibbs, Martinez, Ramsey, Szczesny, Walcott, Welbeck & Wilshere. As always we need to offload before any new signing comes in. Currently we have 3 GK'S, 4 FB's, 4 CB's, 3 DM's, 7 MD & 8 Forwards + 4 potential first team players out on loan. Bellerin & Chambers, are both U21, so can be added to the 25 man squad, along with all the other U21's.

  17. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jun 02, 2015, 18:47 #71740

    jw, indeed, Fraud would be the first accusation and easy enough to prove, and you'd never know what skeletons are in the cupboard of the holier than though one. And it now leaves an opening for his Lordship now there's the perfect job for TOF what a boost for his ego, and think what he could implement? no defending, no tackling, only tippy tappy allowed. Oh what a chance to get rid, wenger for President.

  18. jeff wright

    Jun 02, 2015, 18:22 #71739

    Septic Blatter ,one of the two last longest serving 'servants' in football has now resigned , the fact that the FB1 are on his case probably forced him to reluctantly do so. Any chance that Hawaii Five-0 can get on to Wenger case >? Book him Danno fraud one!

  19. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jun 02, 2015, 16:56 #71738

    Losing that fourth place would/could certainly cause us problems, and just as well it was never implemented anytime over the last eight years or it would have and OGL wouldn't have this record that all his fans keep raving on about. I expect all the other clubs to make an improvement in the CL next season apart from Arsenal, simply because the other managers will learn from their mistakes, and rectify them, and do what's necessary player wise and tactics wise, ours won't, (not even having recognised he's made anyway) never has and never will.

  20. jjetplane

    Jun 02, 2015, 16:27 #71737

    Funny that - Arsene used to spend a lot of time in a shed before Monaco sacked him. Is AKB Central a shed and will PSG win the CL next year with Giroud on the bench and Carzola playing for the opposition .... Ask JAMErsON.

  21. Peter Hughes

    Jun 02, 2015, 16:23 #71736

    I think it is as basic as in England we see the Premiership as the pinacle of achievement. In Europe the competition for clubs & fans is the Champions league. We have harder domestic games as although we may not have the best teams we have the most indepth quality league

  22. Ron

    Jun 02, 2015, 15:32 #71733

    Nice post Theo. My own view based on what ive seen in terms of live matches is that the PL nosedived in quality from 2009. Its sort of on a plateaux of rather ordinary error strewn football football now. Little between Arsenal Liverpool Utd and City are still at their historically held position of being an enigmatic, unfathomable Club (as ever thus), but with cash to add to their strange mix. Mourinho will be desperate for CL success at Chelsea now and they've the squad to do it if they add a quality striker and maybe now an additional CB. Terry cant maintain his level of last Season for much longer. I think they have a great chance of getting to the SF at least if not the Final. Cant see them being ready to win it yet though. None of the other Clubs have the claibre of Coach to make much of an impression in Europe. Van Gaal has the pedigree, but his time at Utd has co incided with him getting on in years and having a mammoth task of getting them to at least top dogs in the PL again as is their priority. Liverpool are set for a few years in limbo land im guessing and are re building Anfield PLUS they ll sack Rogers before too much longer. I give him to Xmas to shape up. Cant see who their 'brilliant' players are though. Ballotelli could be but its not going to happen there under Rogers by the looks of it. Coutinho is classy and thats about it. Ironically, i still think Ballotelli would have done well under Wenger and for what he cost might have been worth a punt.As for Tottenham? Building a stadium could see them close too the bottom 3. The Club runs on bodies in and out, has always been less than stable personnel wise and their Coach who i rate quite well has a big job with a shallower purse from here on in. Chelsea carry the torch for the PL now. The rest are nowhere in euro terms.

  23. jeff wright

    Jun 02, 2015, 15:27 #71732

    Good points Gare K,the view that Wenger after 20 years of failure will somehow at his ever advancing turn from a also ran to a winner in Europe is just more optimistic delusion Deja Vu the ludicrous claims that we produced league title winning form in the last part of the season. Wenger couldn't even manage second place despite having points and a game in hand on Man City. In fact it was touch and go if we even got third ahead of a struggling United - who we again failed to beat in the league last season.Wenger is getting the excuses in early already for next season ,the Cup America,blah,blah,blah, players cost too much to buy ... yawn... already there is a touch of the night after the lord mayor's ball about the FAC win and a depressing familiarity about Wenger's approach to next season. Another beating from Mourinho if it happens and Wenger as still yet to beat him, before the start ofthe season will not do confidence any good either.

  24. Gare K

    Jun 02, 2015, 15:01 #71731

    It will be interesting to see how we fare in the European Cup now that we won’t be amongst the top seeds which I think is a good thing unless we are champions of England again or even Europe. It’s an absolute disgrace in my view that we have been amongst the top seeds when we don’t have a true European Cup pedigree to boast of and more importantly our overall record in the competition under Wenger has been average at best. If we can’t beat a not so vintage Monaco team over two legs what makes Wenger, the players & some fans think we are at least on par with Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich & dare I say it Chelsea? Clubs who in recent years have won the competition. We can’t even win a knockout tie FFS. Even though we regularly qualify for the knockouts we don’t do ourselves any favours by finishing 2nd & seemingly happy to finish there. BVB Dortmund have hardly been the force of old this season yet we still allowed them to finish 1st & we all what happened against Monaco as I have already mentioned. But then I also look at us in recent years finishing behind Schalke 04, Porto & Shaktar Donetysk. That’s not down to the tired old money argument, that’s down to at times bad tactics & poor preparation. And with the FFP regulations set to be relaxed, Wenger & Co. will have their excuses at the ready before a ball would have been kicked. Like I have said before on this site, FFP does not come with an instruction manual to how teams should defend properly. I expect at some point Italy to come strong again & like many I think the decline in standards of the Premier League, the ridiculous neglect by the Premier League of the Europa League could lead to England having fewer teams in Europe. However, I’ll admit only time will tell if I’m right and I’ll hold my hands up if I’m wrong.

  25. Bard

    Jun 02, 2015, 14:47 #71729

    There is no doubt that the PL is poorer than for a while. Its a case of dont worry about the quality feel the width.The relaxation of the FFP will undoubtedly create a monopoly at the top but will be great news for Arsenal plc. There will now be real substance to the perpetual moan that we cant compete financially. The down side of it all will be that the league will become more like la liga without the skill. There will a be few good games and the rest will lambs to the slaughter.

  26. Wear Your Colours

    Jun 02, 2015, 14:44 #71728

    I don't think we need to worry about fourth place going forward. I think they way we finished the season has set us up nicely to take the title next season. The squad looks very well balanced. We do not need to add or change much. I agree with Le Prof, the team has evolved a compelling style of play over the second half of the season. Another quality defensive midfielder and a creative attacking midfielder should be enough additions to the squad. COYG!

  27. johnnyhawleyloovinggooner

    Jun 02, 2015, 14:41 #71727

    It is simply some one elses turn to be top dogs. It will be the EPL turn again.we never seem to have any luck in the C.L.if we keep everone and someone is silly enough to sell us a keeper and a top line forward it could be our year.

  28. jeff wright

    Jun 02, 2015, 13:14 #71724

    A winter break over Christmas is needed our teams play too many games in a season . Apart from Internationals and money making jaunts for owners abroad when players should be having a rest. I have already booked my winter break in Tenerife for Christmas and I don't even play football.

  29. Westlower

    Jun 02, 2015, 13:09 #71723

    At least Arsenal will benefit next season by missing the early qualifying games of the CL. No World Cup hangovers this time round with only Sanchez & Ospina missing early doors. Fingers crossed for a relatively injury free season that Chelsea enjoyed this season. A fully fit OX & Jack will improve us further.

  30. Peter Hughes

    Jun 02, 2015, 13:02 #71722

    I think it is as basic as in England we see the Premiership as the pinacle of achievement. In Europe the competition for clubs & fans is the Champions league. We have harder domestic games as although we may not have the best teams we have the most indepth league

  31. Tony Evans

    Jun 02, 2015, 12:27 #71720

    With one or two notable exceptions, generally speaking the strongest squads win the CL and / or the title. Hardly rocket science and as we seem to suffer injuries more than most it is even more imperative that we have quality cover in all positions if we want to seriously challenge for either. In fact with our keeper situation it can be argued that even our first choice is not top drawer - never mind quality back-up. Coquelin has been a revelation in defensive midfield but what happens when he picks up an injury? Arteta or Flamini that's what, and as I have said before these issues have to be addressed in the summer if we are to build on our cup win and make a proper challenge for the title / CL.

  32. Theo Jensen

    Jun 02, 2015, 12:22 #71719

    @GIJoe I have no problem, in theory, admitting that Chelsea were the weaker team. I have said for some time that the weakness of the EPL is acute. However, their key players did drop in form from January without a winter break (which PSG had) and pretty much the same XI was flogged repeatedly in the EPL by Mourinho up until then. Fatigue is probably the main reason the style of Chelsea's football in the EPL was so boring and 'workmanlike' from then too.

  33. Sam

    Jun 02, 2015, 11:59 #71717

    The PL is less tactical than Italian football and less technical than Spanish or German. Right now, only Chelsea seem equipped to deal with the CL. We are light years behind the best sides despite the investment in (some) world class players. We still have too many ordinary ones and lack the tactical nous to compete too.

  34. GIJoe

    Jun 02, 2015, 11:33 #71715

    " Their loss to PSG was probably due to fatigue primarily. Their starting XI is brilliant but overplayed " L O L 1-In both legs of those games, PSG played a League cup game only 4 days before those clashes with Chelsea, leaving PSG with only 3 days of rest. Meanwhile Chelsea had 6 days of rest because of their elimination at the hands of Bradford. Fatigue??! Are you serious? PSG had played more competitive games at the time and due to FFP sanctions, they could only list 21 players in champions league. ESPN released a graphic showing that PSG only used 19 different players in CL this season, while Chelsea used 25 players. Once again, Fatigue??!! 2-In the 1st leg, the scoreline might have been 1-1 but PSG outplayed Chelsea 15 shots to 1. 3-In the 2nd leg PSG played with 10 men for 90 minutes and still outplayed them. Producing more passes, more shots and playing by far the better football. 4- PSG played without their best holding midfielder in the 1st leg, Thiago Motta, and without their bet winger (and the best PSG player until his injury), Lucas Moura, in both legs. 5-PSG were hugely disadvantaged playing the 1st leg at home and the 2nd leg away at Stamford Bridge. Why not just admitting PSG were the better team? if you count last year's games, PSG actually outplayed Chelsea in 3 out of the 4 champions league tie played in the last two years.

  35. Jumpers for Goalposts

    Jun 02, 2015, 11:12 #71712

    Europe will always be Arsene Wenger's Achilles Heel. Even his staunchest supporter would have to admit that his record in Europe is "Tim Henman". If he couldn't win it with The Invincibles, I don't think he will ever win it.

  36. a

    Jun 02, 2015, 11:05 #71711

    I agree there is a decline in quality in the PL , this new tv deal is going to screw things up as average players who are over paid now will be doubling there salaries the other issue is chelsea stock piling talent and sending them on loan, there is nothing wrong with buying young players to develop, loan but they need to be brought into the squad. take salah as prime example, livverpool wanted him but chelsea bidded more an got him, played less than five times sent him on loan and he is doing well at fiorentina, he should be at liverpool playing every week also the same with atsu, chelsea stole him from liverpool again some of these players are bought by chelsea to loan and make them money but never play for chelsea, if barca can be banned for player trafficking why cant chelsea I dont agree with abromovich's company GAZPROM as a sponsor for the Champions league also

  37. Seven Kings Gooner

    Jun 02, 2015, 10:47 #71709

    We finished third only because Liverpool have fallen through the floor and United are in a spending spree transition. Failure to secure a couple of quality additions will see us battling again for fourth spot. Must get a proper goalkeeper and another player to compete with Coq - not Arteta!