Jack’s Back

Online Ed: Wilshere impresses on England duty



Jack’s Back


I caught the first half of Sunday’s Slovenia v England game on the radio, but was in front of the box for the second. Unlike many England matches, it proved 45 minutes well spent.

There is little doubt that Jack Wilshere registered one of his finest performances in an England shirt. A first half midfield trio of Henderson – Delph – Wilshere was replaced by Wilshere – Delph – Lallana in the second half. I imagine Wilshere played further forward in the opening period, a role that Lallana covered after his entrance.

In the Arsenal matches that Wilshere played in his final appearances last season, he was generally deployed at a wide attacker.

There is no question he is a talented footballer, although perhaps not so talented that he can produce his best in any position. There is an intelligence required to do that, and in fairness, not too many English players possess it. It was interesting to see Louis Van Gaal’s frustrations trying to get Manchester United’s players to adapt to a system that he gave up on in the earlier part of the season. Some of them just didn’t get it.

Perhaps, in England, it is more a case of instinct. Wilshere, coming from deeper, scored two cracking goals. He later namechecked Frank Lampard and Steven Gerrard as players he wanted to be compared with in terms of his goalscoring prowess. Although that pair rarely played well together for England, there is no question they served their clubs very well in terms of goal return from a midfield berth.

There is generally a view that Wilshere plays better for country rather than club. I’d argue that this is probably true since the bad injury that kept him out for over a year, just as he was beginning to develop into the real deal after so much outstanding early promise.

The question for Arsenal is how they get the best out of the player. Some fans would not be too disappointed if he did depart for the pure and simple fact that he has been injured more often than not over the course of his Arsenal career. Can the club afford to carry such players if they are serious about challenging for the bigger honours? Is Wilshere’s injury record about to improve dramatically?

The player seems to pick up knocks habitually, although one hopes he has learned to go in for less 40/60 and 30/70 balls. In one sense, his tenacity in the challenge can be compared to the former England and Man Utd captain Bryan Robson. However, Robson missed plenty of games injured himself due to his commitment on the field. He travelled to three World Cups, but withdrew from two of them with injuries. Wilshere has already missed one World Cup entirely due to his time on the treatment table. Yet, he is also targeted for fouls by the opposition, I suspect because he gets himself in tight situations where he will look to play himself out of trouble. If he were to develop his game so that he found space more, and was able to give and go rather than dwell on the ball, he might fall victim to less fouls.

The established Arsenal midfield at present is Coquelin – Cazorla – Ozil. Wilshere is going to find it hard to get a look in if these players remain at the club and remain fit. One imagines that, as long as Arsene Wenger remains optimistic about the development of Wilshere, Ramsey and Oxlade-Chamberlain, he will not be buying more competition in this area in the current transfer window. At the time of writing, Arteta and Flamini are still on the books, Rosicky can play in the Cazorla role if required and Arsene Wenger believes Calum Chambers may have a future as a holding midfielder. The only possible purchase I can envisage is an upgrade on Coquelin, but given how well the Frenchman has been playing, this seems very unlikely.

When everyone is fit, the Arsenal boss has a nice headache, but it is a headache that may prove frustrating for Wilshere. Granted, he played very well against Slovenia in the second half, a sign of what might have been were it not for his injuries. However, at Arsenal, his enforced absences have gradually made him a more peripheral, rather than an integral player. I will watch with interest what happens next season. Santi Cazorla is getting older, and won’t play every game. Whether Wilshere or Ramsey come in for the Spaniard when he does not start may tell us whether we can expect the Englishman to be around for the long term at Arsenal.

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  1. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jun 18, 2015, 13:30 #72097

    mark from aylesbury, damm conspiracies again, it's just not fair. Shaun P, that takes ambition mate.

  2. Mac

    Jun 18, 2015, 13:28 #72096

    Quite a lot of debate about JW's ability. For me he is fabulously skillful, but his overall game just isn't good enough for a team to be winning the title. Ironically and I know this is harsh - he is a bit of a Sp*rs player. Looks great on the ball, but lazy in movement, can't tackle, people run past him like he's not there and actually very one dimensional when attacking. Our results when he plays are terrible and it was no surprise that we started winning when he was forced out the team due to injury. His antics on the bus whilst pretty harmless just highlighted his attitude - after all, what did he do to win the cup?? It won't happen, but it would be great if we could sell him to City and use the fees to buy a top quality defender or midfielder.

  3. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jun 18, 2015, 13:19 #72095

    Des, and here we are/go again smoking jack has one good game for England and now he's going to be their saviour.

  4. Tony Evans

    Jun 18, 2015, 8:37 #72085

    Wenger's complete and utter disregard as to a players most effective position and his determination to fit as many diminutive creative players in the midfield as possible, and never mind if the balance is right, is legendry. The list of his square pegs in round holes goes on and Jack / Rambo are the latest victims.

  5. Wenger Out!

    Jun 17, 2015, 22:27 #72084

    Shaun P you have to ask how the f**k Wenger even let Lloris join Spurs in the first place.Oh yeah signing good keepers and Wenger dont go together.

  6. jjetplane

    Jun 17, 2015, 19:29 #72083

    SHAUn that is exactly who we should be trying to sign

  7. Shaun P

    Jun 17, 2015, 19:24 #72082

    Why don't we forget about cech and stir it up a bit and go for Lloris?

  8. John Gage

    Jun 17, 2015, 19:00 #72081

    I might be in a minority but I have always been a fan of Petr Cech and am excited about his potential move to Arsenal. He's a proven winner (4 Premier League titles, 4 FA Cups, 3 League Cups, 1 Europa League Cup, and 1 Champions League Cup). He has also shown remarkable consistency, in 11 seasons he has kept an average of 15 clean sheets per season (OptaJoe). And even though he might not be at his previous peak he still managed an impressive 5 clean sheets in 7 Premier League appearances in the last campaign.

  9. David

    Jun 17, 2015, 18:26 #72080

    No problem baddie - my maths is exceptional. You can trust me 100%.

  10. Flappyhandski

    Jun 17, 2015, 18:20 #72079

    Cech would be a brilliant signing but i fear are idiot of a manager will blow it.In his 19 years at the club he has signed only one half decent keeper in Lehmann(who was 33 when we signed him).Remember Wengers famous quote that we had 4 world class keepers in Average Al.Flappy,Mannone and Szczesny.More like world class clowns

  11. Danny

    Jun 17, 2015, 18:00 #72078

    i see the FA have fined wilshire 40k for chanting abuse at spurs i think, Wilshire should to FU to the FA and refuse to play for England

  12. mark from aylesbuty

    Jun 17, 2015, 17:52 #72077

    Excuses in early but i note that chelsea have 5 x double home games compared to only 2 occasions when we get to play at home twice in a row they also have bournemouth, leicester, sunderland and watford in a row for a nice 12 point bag. Looking tough with our penultimate at city away!

  13. Badarse

    Jun 17, 2015, 16:50 #72076

    David I'm a numbers man, and I would never have guessed it was 90%. Just shows I need to polish up a bit, thanks for the nudge.

  14. Ron

    Jun 17, 2015, 16:34 #72075

    Bard - agree with you. I'd jettison Cazorla. Hes a sound lad but very dispensable. Never quite made it as a PL for me. On wastage, we are wasting Ozil for the lack of a heavyweight middle man in there alongside him. It was the same with Fabregas. He did well but had he not have left when he did, he would have been destroyed and crocked by injury through Wengers misuse (could say abuse) of him. Wenger had him tackling like a terrier towards the end of his time in N7. He got out as much because he had to as to play for his dream Club. Wengers 'philosophy' will continue to ruin more careers if the player is daft enough to let him do it.Sure as houses. Yes, you add Ramsey to the list of potential wastees too.

  15. David

    Jun 17, 2015, 16:10 #72074

    Baddie - 90% of Wenger's transfer decisions for the last ten years have been wrong. Let's see if he can get it right over the summer and buy what Arsenal need to beat Chelsea and City, and stay ahead of ManU.

  16. Bard

    Jun 17, 2015, 16:05 #72073

    Ron; good post mate. This whole business about putting square pegs in round holes is a real bone of contention. Its like he buys a job lot without regard for what we need or what a position demands. Careers wasted fitting into positions not suited to their game. Santi was shoved out wide at the beginning of the season and was useless. Rambo has been filling that position recently and looks lost. Currently we have 4 midfield players who all play in the same position, its crazy. At least one of them needs to be sold so we can strengthen the team elsewhere

  17. Ron

    Jun 17, 2015, 15:49 #72072

    Baddie - good points, but Wilshere is 24 and we re still wrestling with 'what he is' after 7 yrs. Its obvious what he isnt. Potentially hes top class. Its usually lower potential players that become perennial hole fillers. Phil Neville types.They do it because they know they wont play other wise. Wilshere should aim for better. Personally i dont think Wenger values what he can be and is happy to use him wherever. At some stage another Club will be in and he ll be gone. This is what i mean by Wenger wasting him. Arshavin, Nasri, Bendtner, Hleb will know what i mean.None maximised in ideal roles.All hole fillers, all who left dissatisfied by Wengers use of them. Chamberlain is on Wengers risk of wastage list too.

  18. Badarse

    Jun 17, 2015, 15:42 #72071

    David, jeff wright said Fabregas wouldn't achieve at CFC at all, but we can all call it incorrectly, even Arsene Wenger.

  19. Ron

    Jun 17, 2015, 15:37 #72070

    Bard - put some money on that. I reckon Utd is his ultimate destination. Fergie was putting the feelers out for him 2 years back.A Wilshere who plays in a style that we know is possible wd be good for AFC. He wont get the chance in N7 though. He d be brilliant for Utd with their style and better stronger players around him to look after him. I think Wilshere is aware that AFC are feeble in the middle of the park and lack backbone and in fairness to him hes trying to compensate for it. Hes just too small though and without being unkind, hes too bandy legged. His stature is just asking for injury playing like he does. JW is either too resistant/dumb to change his style or the coaching there is rubbish. I suggest its a bit of both really.

  20. David

    Jun 17, 2015, 15:26 #72069

    New fixture list has got to be an incentive for the tired old French chap to spend some money over the summer. It might've been Westie who said that Fabregas was only good for the first 2 months of the season. This may have been true, but the difference between Arsenal and the Chavs was those first two months.

  21. Badarse

    Jun 17, 2015, 15:26 #72068

    I think 'filling holes' is a regular occurrence with pretty much all managers and for all players, Ron-I've certainly done it. Whether it is due to playing someone in an alien position, or the usual position with a different remit, either for confidence building, returning from injury, your position filled in your absence, injury and you become a 'finger in the dyke' upon your return, or just general development of a young player-my grandson had a spell at wing back to experience duties expected of a defender. There are many instances of players taking on a different role and succeeding, also of failures of course. It sometimes is a necessity to attempt a refit, occasionally a 'suck it and see' experiment. I think Jack is a versatile player, but as yet he clearly is a 'Jack of all trades, but master of none' at the moment. I don't go in for crystal ball gazing, so have no idea which path his career will go in. I certainly don't subscribe to AW destroying his career, quite the opposite. The moment the slipper fits he will be seen to arrive. A convoluted situation at Arsenal with ever-changing personnel on the pitch, differing jobs asked of him, and cursed injuries interrupting the rhythm and continuity. I too see him in a more advanced role, but needs must. The intelligence quotient of knowing what to do, how to do it, and when is a perennial. I'm still trying to work that one out for myself.

  22. Bard

    Jun 17, 2015, 15:22 #72067

    Some good posts about Jack but the bottom line is that under the current formation there is no place for him. Its possible he could replace Santi but Ozil plays whether he is on form or not. Wenger doesnt rotate nor does he bother much with substitutions. Jack would be better advised agitating for a move to somewhere where he would run be able to the midfield. I think he would do well under Van Gaal who might be able to bring discipline to his game.

  23. Seven Kings Gooner

    Jun 17, 2015, 15:18 #72066

    Badarse: Do agree with you about Jack's running style, he takes long strides for short player. When he goes on one of his "surging runs" he tends to let the ball run too far ahead and that is when he gets nailed. juxtapose that with Santi, Rosicky or Ozil, who take short strides with more contact with the ball which gives much better control. I always liked the way Paul Davis would run with the ball, tight between his feet, short steps for a tall guy and that way he would take the ball right up to an opposing player and then slip that late killer pass. That style of play by PD would take his marker out of the game - unlike an early pass which gives a marker a chance to recover. Can Jack change his style? possibly not but I would like to see where he would be if he had a complete season injury free. Ron, you are right, JW is not a defensive midfield player but what player he will be depends on Arsene and the team's form over the coming years.

  24. Ron

    Jun 17, 2015, 14:51 #72065

    Baddie - too much Roy of the Rovers mentality with JW. He d be a great player if he learned when to release the ball. He does the work then undoes it all by running into traffic doesnt he. Every time nearly. He needs to become more Lampardesque. Wenger needs to play him advanced and instruct him to look for the shot. Hes not a DM, hes offensive player but all this carrying the ball 20 yards like an all conquering hero is a waste. Using him deep is Wenger trying to fill a hole rather than buying a proper DM. Wilshere ought to move for the sake of his career if Wenger cant use him correctly otherwise he ll have his career wasted and Wengers got known form for doing that. Whether Wilshere has the brain to play like FL is questionable though. Unless he uses him correctly JW will become another Mr 'nobody ever knew his best position' Wilshere. lets face it, there are many of them these last ten years.

  25. Badarse

    Jun 17, 2015, 14:11 #72064

    Going back to the 'Jack and his injuries' theme. My grandson Charlie carries the ball, often a long way, and has had a number of injuries to his ankles. None have been serious, but on a few occasions he has been laid up for the week before playing at the W/E again. He has great agility and movement, but I am spending time trying to impress on him that he needs more hip and upper body movement to hoodwink the opposition. I think he carries the ball in a too obvious line, I see a similar flaw in Jack's style of running with the ball. Jack of course does hold the ball for too long so invites a tackle, but in a brutal league without referees' protection, injuries occur regularly.

  26. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jun 17, 2015, 13:46 #72063

    John F, If my memory serves uncle bob saw something in the waiter too, now granddad bob sees something in chezney, as some have already alluded to another wenger nodding dog. Yes Cech will have his eyes opened for sure Gerry peyton in all his glory hip replacement and all, did Cech not insist on having his own goalkeeping coach at the chavs? lets hope he brings him with him although I don't know how that would go down with our jerry and OGL's world class set up, maybe that's the stumbling block.

  27. Bard

    Jun 17, 2015, 12:53 #72062

    As much as I am critical of Wenger this window will be a nightmare for the club now that Untd and City are known to want to hoover up every decent player who can walk and chew gum on astronomical wages. You can see the agents hawking them around to the highest bidder. The Hazard transfer comes to mind. We had a decent bid for decent wages but Chelsea just blew us out of the water with their bid. I agree we need a 3 but with the best will in the world signing a top player is going to be very difficult especially up front. I would like us to sign Cech but I dont believe Maureen will sell to us and he is not worth £11m. Its going to be interesting for sure.

  28. Tony Evans

    Jun 17, 2015, 12:27 #72061

    Hope Wenger brings 3 truly top players in - keeper, holding midfielder and striker. Very much doubt that is going to happen though, and if only one of three are to be signed I would struggle to decide which was more important - not the striker but which of keeper or holding midfielder? Whatever I think I feel it will be a keeper arriving, with Wenger keeping faith with Coq and using Flamini / Arteta as backup.

  29. Ron

    Jun 17, 2015, 12:24 #72060

    Gary - im afraid that your take on Cech is maybe 5 yrs out of date. Hes a back up keeper, albeit at Chelsea. Hes not the decisive athlete he was. Watch him and it does become obvious after seeing a few matches. JJ - far be it far me to cast doubt on Bobs take on Keeper but i agree, hes too close to Wenger to be objective. Chesney has none of the qualities Bob had and its strange that he promotes him as he does. Respect to Chesney the other week though for telling his daft Dad to keep it shut.

  30. jjetplane

    Jun 17, 2015, 12:03 #72059

    Will not be surprised if Czech is signed which will leave three G/Ks and none of them No 1 to themselves or the club. This is more of the same with players vying for one position though unsure of their standing which has to affect or distort ambition. This is the problem in midfield and forward with too many players winging it for a season. Mourinho will be doing clever business for Chelsea if he gets anything around 8m and perhaps foresees the sale creating/denting Arsenal ambition. Mourinho has just stuck him in the window and he knows there are the inevitable desperate customers still to arrive. Ospina is immensely workmanlike but a G/K personality looks missing from his game. Chesney is at the other end (the right one) but will never have the stature of some of our greater G/Ks of the past. Willow was an amazing G/K (tough, intelligent) but he is so entrenched in Arsene's mythical abstractness I cannot really trust his judgements. As R/K says we still need a top forward and would still rather see someone playing with Coquelin and that someone would have to come form somewhere else and be of the drive and ambition of a Viera. Coquelin can be his Petit. Carzola great as he is, he also getting old and does he really have the energy to control the middle of the park, particularly when playing top sides. Anyway - Ozil is on holiday with his dog .......

  31. Ron

    Jun 17, 2015, 11:22 #72058

    Im right with you Westie lad!! Bard - good stuff mate. Agree totally re Keepers. I think a teams keeper is the most important player. A team cannot win leagues and CLs with a poor or average keeper. Youre right with young De Gea. Hes an exception to the rule (see my point about needing a good unit). Hes such an agile lad, mature, brave, positionally correct and confident. On Cech though, we ll have to agree to differ Bard lad. At 5-6 Million quid, id say go for him, but not 10-11 Million. Its daylight robbery. Mourinhos bulling him up a treat.Yr right re Wenger and Keepers. Lehmann was always an accident waiting to happen. Sol and Kolo kept him unexposed in the main.

  32. Westlower

    Jun 17, 2015, 11:13 #72057

    I will be completely underwhelmed if Cech signs. He's well past his best & is now only a back up GK. I'd stop playing games with Maureen & tell him to stick Cech, up the Arse!

  33. radfordkennedy

    Jun 17, 2015, 10:55 #72056

    Morning all...it's just my opinion on jack,but I feel he would be better suited playing higher up the pitch where he will have to get rid of the ball quicker because he does have the habit of hanging on to the ball too long and invariably ends up with a crack to the ankles for his troubles...I agree with a few on here that Chesney does possess a modicum of talent,however I firmly believe he has absolutely no faith in those in front of him,with Kos having the tendency to jump under a ball,and Big Per not willing to throw himself in front of the ball for the cause,I sometimes think he's never known whether to stick or twist,I think it was quite obvious from his display in the cup final that despite orders possibly,he was going to come for everything and take no chances.As far as Ospina goes you can get away with a stop gap for a only a short while before he's rumbled and indeed low to his left is a definite weakness,Cech would be a good addition but certainly not an answer.Assuming the club are unlikely to address all the weaknesses we have at a stroke I would much rather we found help for Coq and got in a mobile striker

  34. Bard

    Jun 17, 2015, 10:54 #72055

    Ron I take that point in a general sense but then you have De Gea who single handedly kept Untd afloat through the first half of the season and they have a crap defence. A top keeper is worth 10-15 points a season, that would have been enough to have put us right in the title race most seasons over the last few years I agree Cech is not the keeper he was but he is better than our two by a country mile. Its curious that Wenger for all his pluses and minuses is hopeless when it comes to signing top class keepers. He inherited Seaman, signed dear old mad Lens but the rest have been rubbish.

  35. Ron

    Jun 17, 2015, 10:07 #72054

    With goal keepers, no matter who they are theyre only as good as the unit in front of them, be they Chesney or Gordon Banks. In fairness to Chesney, hes never enjoyed the luxury of playing in front of a solid unit, hes not mature enough to dominate and order his defence as a keeper should either and theres been nobody in front of him capable of doing the same either. Its a recipe for mutual confusion and that can only mean goals conceded im afraid. Cech s in for a rude wake up call if hes the next incumbent. At his peak, Arsenals defence would leave him exposed. Hes far from his peak now.

  36. Badarse

    Jun 17, 2015, 8:03 #72053

    Hi Des. Did you really believe Theo had arrived after his hat trick? I didn't. It's that hype again. He has had a very slow, almost non-existent development, but is a worthwhile asset all the same. Yes Jack is currently behind Santi, Rambo and Mesut, but nothing stands still within a football club. True he will be injured next season, as will most if not all our players-it comes with the job. Let's hope it is less than four months though. In describing Ox, Jack and Theo as squad players you use it as a derisory term; I would say they are definitely squad players, but would take the negativity out of the comment. True the media build up English players-they know it's what most xenophobes want to hear-it's that old 'white van man' stereotype they play to, again my advice is to use a filter similar to mine, after a while you stop hearing the noise they make. It can even work on the Online Gooner.

  37. Badarse

    Jun 17, 2015, 7:27 #72052

    Morning John F. What each of us sees in a player is very individual, isn't it? To explain, I really rate Sir Chesney, and always have. When he burst onto the scene I can remember banging my gums to buddies that at last we have a keeper, and, he'd be our keeper for a decade or more. Since then public opinion amongst many has waned, if it ever got off the ground with some. It's true his judgement has been suspect on a few high profile occasions, but when assessing a player I am able to disentangle his personality/characteristics, and keep focussed, the traits I assess separately. Sounds obvious, but many fail in this simple concept-on all matters! I think he is miles above Ospina in raw, natural talent, and needs to iron out pitfalls in his game to realise his full potential. Whether he ever does or not brings us to the current situation. That is the decision. Stick or twist. His bad press recently is over-hyped. It's that old lynch mob approach at work, sometimes you can even hear the bleating of the flock. He is feted, close to being a millionaire, celebrity status, on a hero's pedestal, and scrutinised constantly. When you add to this he is a young athlete, with lots of hot blood, and personal uncertainty and anxieties,( check out the younger and older heads on here to ask the same question of the last point), etc, it is hardly surprising-ditto Jack. AW will be taking a clear-headed look and making a decision. As with a new manager, I shall go with the ultimate outcome, though in both instances I would prefer the status quo to remain, as a personal choice. I am with Willow.

  38. Des

    Jun 17, 2015, 7:18 #72051

    Reminds me of when Walnutt scored a hat-trick for England 7 years ago.He was going to be a world star and a top class Arsenal player.We are still waiting 7 years later.Wilshere cant get a start in front of Cazorla Rambo and Ozil and you can bet your life savings that he will be injured for 4 months next season.Wlishere Walcott and the Ox are built up as great players by the English media but the truth is at Arsenal they are squad players nothing more

  39. John F

    Jun 17, 2015, 0:01 #72050

    Sadly Jack could be one of these players who may be more suited leaving MGs shed and playing abroad to fulfill his potential.His style of play invites the cloggers and I feel it could be only a matter of time before he is joining Dennis Bergkamp in Baddies garden. As for Cech he may be a bit of a gamble, his form did drop after his injury and you have to wonder if he has been affected by it.Wenger may be taking advice from Bob Wilson who stated on radio 5 that he sees something(i can't) in Chesney and rates him highly. If cech does come I wonder what he will think of our goalkeeping coaches compared to chelsea.

  40. theopants superstar

    Jun 16, 2015, 23:43 #72049

    I think Jack Wilshere is the best of all our midfielders - including Santi - and would either play him in that role next to or just in advance of a DM, or as an out and out number 10 ala Bergkamp.

  41. Badarse

    Jun 16, 2015, 18:00 #72048

    mag, I had an Arsenal gnome, made by a local potter who is also an Arsenal fan. He painted them in any design AFC shirt, and inscribed any name and number required. They were great-and relatively cheap. Arsenal found out and their legal team stopped him from producing them. A nice little side earner was curtailed for the lad-Lawrence if you read this, you are a star. The kicker is, my Bergkamp gnome was knocked off the sideboard by a grandson and it broke. Still, that was Bergkamp all over!

  42. Ron

    Jun 16, 2015, 16:25 #72047

    Tony - Stoke were saying that that they were unsure about whether they could keep Begovitch, so hes maybe possible. Hes a good lad i reckon. Im with you on Wilshere. Hes got a year. Scholes got it right when he said Wilsheres not much different now to 6 yrs back. Charging about like a mad bull dog how he does will only cause more injury and hes said himself he wont change. Hes goes in for 'hospital balls'. Decent Coach's would sort him out on that barmy approach. Not the brightest knife in the drawer i venture. Whatever Wenger says, i reckon privately hes not Wengers favourite footballer and he will be sold.

  43. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jun 16, 2015, 16:19 #72046

    Baddie, funnily enough I do have an Arsenal gnome, or rather my youngest has/had it's lying in the garden shed somewhere, all I have to do is stick a fag in it's mouth.

  44. Tony Evans

    Jun 16, 2015, 16:06 #72045

    Hi Ron - A lot depends on how much Cech's injury has affected his confidence. The fact that Mourinho is reluctant to sell to Arsenal (unless that is a fantastic double bluff) presumably means he does still rate him and even at £11M he has got to be better than the Chesney / Ospina combo, especially if he is the only keeper available. I agree though if Begovitch was a possibility I would rather Wenger went for him.

  45. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jun 16, 2015, 16:02 #72044

    jj, no not on holiday, his disciples will tell you it's a scouting mission, is there a jungle?

  46. Tony Evans

    Jun 16, 2015, 15:54 #72043

    Ron - I was going to make the same point about Jack and his lack of maturity. Not only does he need to stay injury free, he needs to damn well grow up for next season. I would give him one more year because he has got ability, and then take a view as to whether to sell or keep.

  47. Ron

    Jun 16, 2015, 15:41 #72042

    Hi Tony. i wdt pay 11 Mill for Cech to be honest. He is only 33 as you say, but his best yrs were 5-6 yrs back. His game has declined and Mourinho knows it. Id have gone for Begovitch to be honest or maybe Schmeichel, both younger, far more athletic and a lot hungrier and in my view, both as good. 11 Mill is a lot for Cech. Im like you in that i dont rate either of them we ve got very highly, but AFC need better than a past it Cech in my view. In this instance i think AFC should drag it out and get him cheap if its him that want. If he goes elsewhere, so be it. Im with Wenger on this one if hes hesitant at the price. Cant recall when i last said that!!I must be getting old!!

  48. Wear Your Colours

    Jun 16, 2015, 15:38 #72041

    Jack is a very positive player; he has the vision and ability to play passes for his forwards to run onto; he is comfortable on the ball, willing to run at and commit defenders. Due to injuries he has barely played half the games in the past three seasons. If he can maintain fitness and work on his finishing he will become a very influential player for this squad over the next few seasons.

  49. Ron

    Jun 16, 2015, 15:30 #72040

    The Eng game was no gauge to JWs progression really. It was a game that the team had to work hard to win but thats as far as it goes. Wilshere has ability. Does he have the maturity or will the 'english disease' curtail his career. He needs to drop the chavviness. Hes not good enough to behave as he likes and get away with it. Nowhere near good enough. I personally think Arsenal will sell him before long, once his english price balloons.

  50. Tony Evans

    Jun 16, 2015, 15:05 #72039

    Bard - I would say you were having a laugh if it was anyone but Wenger. His indulgent 'Uncle Arsene' approach has caused all sorts of problems for us, especially between the sticks. First it was Almunia and now Chesney is benefitting from Wenger's lack of ruthlessness. Remember too all the ridiculous contracts handed out to young, unproven players, distinctly undeserving of them. Therein lies the difference between proven winners like Ferguson / Mourinho, and Wenger. Things are improving, albeit very slowly, and at least Wenger has finally given in on playing total gung-ho. Grounds for optimism for next season but with Wenger at the helm you can't take anything for granted can you.

  51. jjetplane

    Jun 16, 2015, 15:04 #72038

    Good stuff Kev and the Ozil signing has created a two tie system occupied by just himself and Sanchez. It remains for Ozil to get up to speed and importance to the team without further expecting Sanchez to dig Arsenal out of holes only to retain top four credibility. Henry says Sanchez is the X factor which may be more Z like after the Copa. carzola as you say is getting on a bit and perhaps it is his peak to help kick arsenal into top four credibilty again. Something else is clearly needed and it would be great to see both JW and Ramsay growing up football-wise and becoming more like players with the commanding skills of a Pires. Don't believe it ambitious enough to be signing Czech and thinking here we go with our new Seaman. Does Czech fish? So if the percieved 'progression' of this squad is really in it's motional phase then they need to beat Chelsea by two clear goals (JW and Sanchez at long range) and then kick on. That just leaves Giroud and a coach who - well is he motivated enough for on-field success? Talking of Henry - is he aiming to work at the Emirates in a part time ambassadorial role or will that be Theo? Meanwhile, Pires ....

  52. Bard

    Jun 16, 2015, 14:37 #72037

    Tony Evans; Re Cech, yes Tony you would think its a slam dunk even for us but I read that we are dithering because the boss hasnt made up his mind about Chesney. Sounds worryingly familiar

  53. Tony Evans

    Jun 16, 2015, 14:17 #72036

    Not difficult to shine in a distinctly average England team (even by our own usual poor standards) but he is Arsenal through and through so I hope next season he finally manages to stay injury free and fulfils his undoubted potential. At last we are going to have some healthy competition for first team slots which has got to be good news - talking of which (if you can believe the rumour mill) a deal for Cech could be in the offing. He wants to quit Chelsea but stay in London, play for a CL club and is available either on a free or for a modest fee. He is only 33 and surely even Wenger can't screw this one up. It's a no brainer isn't it - assuming Chelsea don't stand in his way. At long last a top keeper could be on the way - how long have we been waiting for that.

  54. Bard

    Jun 16, 2015, 14:14 #72035

    A conundrum indeed Kev. I love Jack but in the current set up he will be a perennial sub along with Wally. Buying Ozil has done for Rambo and Jack to a certain extent because neither of them are effective out wide and neither of them are midfield powerhouses in the Viera, Matic, Sweinsteiger mould. One of them will get the Santi's position when he moves on. With Jacks fitness record a ruthless manager might decide to move him on for a hefty fee and invest elsewhere.

  55. Badarse

    Jun 16, 2015, 13:45 #72034

    Sshh mag, please sit quietly in your little hole in the ground, or you can do something useful and tidy up the garden for the Summer Virtual BBQ next week. You can start by cleaning your collection of gnomes. Two questions, why do they all look like Arsenal's midfield, and why is the 'Jack' gnome in pride of place, on the top of your telly? Put him back in the garden with his friends, you cheeky monkey. I know you love JW as much as I do. It's all about respect isn't it? If only the others showed as much as us two, eh? Oh, fiddle-dee-dee.

  56. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jun 16, 2015, 13:00 #72033

    And the question has a simple answer Kev, (and goes for others also)get a better manager.

  57. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jun 16, 2015, 12:44 #72032

    Apparently Gazza inspired him to score (funny enough i'd believe that) now all we need is someone to inspire him for his club.

  58. Nick

    Jun 16, 2015, 11:32 #72031

    I fail to understand the negativity amongst some gooners concerning Wilshere, he has been injury prone but he is not yet a Diaby scenario, I feel it is an indictment of officials that it mooted that Jack should change his style of play to prevent getting injured by the thugs in the game , when what is required is a more sensible approach from refs in protecting players like Wilshere. His form did dip understandably with all the stop starts he had but in his last appearances ie Hull, West Brom and even his cameo in the cup final and now this superlative display for England he has given me hope that the player i have followed since his youth team days will finally fulfil his rich potential , in my view letting him leave would be a massive mistake , if Wenger learns to rotate wisely there is absolutely no reason Jack wont get playing time !

  59. Westie

    Jun 16, 2015, 11:20 #72030

    Misplaced foresight followed by curt, churlish behaviour. Adieu to dignity and maturity.