Finally

Online Ed: Arsenal sign top class keeper for the first time in too long



Finally

The cat in the hat


You could be forgiven for thinking Arsene Wenger sees a goalkeeper as low priority given his acquisitions over the years at Arsenal. There is a popular view that a top class keeper can win a side points, and looking at title winning teams in England, there seems an element of truth to this. It would certainly seem to put any team at an advantage to have someone of true quality between the sticks.

Of course, the keeper was not a position that proved any sort of problem in Wenger’s earlier years at the club. He inherited David Seaman, and the only decision he really had to make was to drop Alex Manninger after the youngster had contributed so effectively to the 1997-98 campaign. In fairness, he did spend big on Ipswich’s Richard Wright when he sensed Seaman’s powers might be waning. Wright was only at the club for one season, and although Seaman saw him off, he only lasted another 12 months himself.

In 2003, Wenger bought Jens Lehmann. Ironically, it seems he would have acquired Petr Cech then but for work permit problems. Who knows how history would have panned out were the Czech shotstopper playing for Arsenal instead of Chelsea from 2004, when Roman Abramovich blew the Gunners’ chances of securing Cech out of the water.

Lehmann was a relative bargain buy, his star in decline slightly in Germany at that time. He’d had a high profile failure at Inter Milan before moving back to his homeland and did not seem anywhere near replacing Oliver Kahn in the national team. Notoriously temperamental, it was a gamble that worked out initially, as the trophies continued. He was dropped in the 2004-05 campaign for Manuel Almunia, one suspects partly because of a fractious relationship with Arsene Wenger, although Almunia’s somewhat suicidal keeping against Manchester United at Highbury in a 4-2 defeat ensured the German was returned to the starting spot. An FA Cup win and, a season later, a run to the Champions League final in which Lehmann was outstanding followed.

Yet, in spite of Almunia’s evident lack of genuine quality, Lehmann lost his place again in the autumn of 2007 to the Spaniard. It could be argued that Lehmann was well past his prime by this time, but to consider Almunia the better option was a decision from which the team have never fully recovered, until some eight years on and the signing of Cech.

Fans had to endure a procession of keepers, some better than others, but all capable of mistakes and costing points. Almunia gave way to Szczesny, who provided genuine optimism for a short spell, but ultimately failed to develop in the way that David De Gea did at Manchester United. Whether this was down to the coaching at the club is one for debate, although there is a view that the club’s senior keeping coach, Gerry Peyton, could be improved upon. That Cech has brought his own coach with him, with Tony Roberts’ attendant departure to Swansea, may be significant.

Once Almunia was history, with a months long elbow injury or similar to avoid the manager stating he’d been dropped once and for all, Szczesny battled it out with his fellow Pole Lukasz Fabianski for the starting spot. The latter was unfortunate with the timing of injuries, but the bottom line is that he was nicknamed “Flapianski” by the fans for good reason. Szczesny played most of the games until ousted by David Ospina, the Colombian international keeper halfway through last season, with an improvement in the goals against record. Whether Ospina was fortunate to come into the reckoning at just the same time as the team became settled with an effective Coquelin – Cazorla axis at the base of the midfield could certainly be argued, but it appears as if Arsene Wenger has finally acknowledged that the surer the bet in the keeper’s jersey, the more likely his team will win matches.

There is no doubt that Cech is top drawer. His demotion at Chelsea because of the return of Courtois is understandable. The club are thinking long term and had the opportunity to secure the Belgian. Yet that does not make Cech a bad keeper by any means. Chelsea failed to win the title in the season before Courtois’ arrival not due to defensive issues, but a poor return from their expensive striking options (Torres, Eto’o and Demba Ba). Chances are that with Cech in goal instead of Courtois, they would still have won it in 2015, such was the points gap when they secured the title with matches to spare.

Sure, at 33, his very best days are probably behind him, although I’d say it was a little harsh to claim that since his head injury during Mourinho’s first tenure at the Bridge he has not been the same keeper. John Terry, knowing Cech was on his way, stated the keeper was worth around 12 points a season. Bigging up a departing player in this way was presumably not the Chelsea skipper trying to put a couple of million on the price tag but a genuine acknowledgement of his abilities.

The signing has been compared with that of Pat Jennings, who served the club well after Spurs had decided he was past his best, but also with Sol Campbell, in that a player from a major rival has weakened them while strengthening Arsenal. Given Cech was second choice, I don’t buy that so much, although can see that his influence on the team is likely to be positive as was Campbell’s. Obviously this was far less of seismic shock, given the papers had been running the story of the transfer for weeks.

More important is that it is a sign that the manager is prepared to strengthen a position in which better options can be acquired without worrying about egos or killing careers. With a little more effort and a couple more million, Xabi Alonso could have arrived in 2009, at a time when there was simply too much inexperience of winning trophies in the team. Luis Suarez could have been bought in the summer of 2013 with a more determined bid. Experienced players already proven top quality in the Premier League cost money, but increase the chances of titles significantly. It’s taken a long time for the club to come to terms with the reality that they come at a premium, but it is to be hoped, with their new found financial muscle, that Cech is by no means the last big signing.

Arsenal had around £70 million to play with to cover transfer fees and a year’s wages of new players. With Cech on £100k a week, that leaves around £55 million in the pot – and that is without income from outgoing players (such as Ospina and Podolski). This summer’s big signing is still to be made. The chance to improve the squad and push on is still there, and the club can afford two more major buys. Better to have quality on the field that surplus cash in the bank. There is no doubt that Chelsea, Manchester United and Manchester City will be splashing the cash to enhance their own rosters. Arsenal need to buy just to stand still, and there is little chance of improvement unless they spend well.

Cech is a good start, let’s hope the club keep it going and get a settled squad before things get serious again in August, by making the right moves and using the funds available.

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  1. HowardL

    Jul 06, 2015, 13:21 #72545

    Good signing and a good article - though I could have done without being reminded of Almunia (though I do feel sorry for him now). Hopefully something tangible in return for our 'gifts' of Cesc and Cashley.

  2. Gooner89

    Jul 05, 2015, 23:28 #72540

    I'm as anti Wenger as you can get and that doesn't change with this signing. That said Cech is a great signing. One question. Is he an improvement on what we have? Answer. Of course he is. Thats good enough for me. Its not enough to win us the title but the signing of a top striker would be another huge step. Credit to AW for pulling off the signing. Two more top ones at least will give us the chance to at least copmete for the title

  3. Andreas

    Jul 05, 2015, 12:17 #72527

    Cech is a standout signing. A point to prove he is not finished. Look at Buffon still winning titles at 39years old. IMO Courtois will make a few mistakes this coming season as all young keepers do (Hart last season). Szceszney will only improve by training with Cech, as did a young John Lukic did with the arrival of Big Pat. Wenger did say he'll win the league within 3 years when he signed his last contract. Cech is definitely a step in the right direction.

  4. Alsace

    Jul 05, 2015, 11:15 #72525

    Germany and Argentina being smashed on the same evening. Evil has surely never known such a reverse.

  5. Alsace

    Jul 04, 2015, 20:12 #72511

    Even so. Let's hope for a rational approach to next season and resulting fun.

  6. jjetplane

    Jul 03, 2015, 12:51 #72483

    Reread, digest, make a cuppa, reread, digest, pump up a tyre, reread, change your head hankie, reread, put pizza under grill for a minute, reread,.... love this site and Cech is here for the pay off while Kos is in talks with RM. Apparently, the only gooner is the one who has not been to any game of significance in the last decade and more ..... Negative capability - Keats was saying ........ ooh/it's a corner ..... ps I really love this site. Good old Brand PL.

  7. Badarse

    Jul 03, 2015, 11:57 #72481

    Hi again Alsace, reread my post and it seemed a little stern, sorry, it wasn't meant to be. I did say we needed a spine, and I do subscribe to a 'protector' in the side. In the Invincibles side Freddie said Lauren looked after him, yet you would never believe that on the face of it. Gently jogging beside someone and hissing through clenched teeth, 'Do that to him again and I'll break your leg!' clearly worked, it did for me.

  8. Alsace

    Jul 03, 2015, 10:34 #72480

    Football is all about opinions. You subscribe to Mr Wenger's view that the ref should do his job. Well the ref won't do his job. Not having adequate deterrence destroyed our Croatian-Brazilian attackers career and could easily have destroyed Aaron Ramsey. English Football is not a Mediterranean café society. I'm not talking about hurting people gratuitously. I'm talking about being able to defend ourselves. Your position would survive right up to the point where you had to go onto the pitch unprotected by a Patrick Vieira or a Kevin Richardson.

  9. Badarse

    Jul 03, 2015, 8:30 #72477

    Alsace, too much sabre-rattling on this site, and your post is a prime example. We certainly need a band of steel in the spine of the team to avoid being bullied, but football has changed and still doing so as we post, so this 'they don't like it up 'em' approach, is dated. The sense of not being able to beat them so we must join them, is self-defeating, and contradictory, I think. Your personal view of keepers is fine but not universally shared. Sideswipe at AW, is expected-that's your personal glitch, again not universally shared. Diaby had a contract, I think much of his salary was perhaps covered by insurance, and was a superb prospect-which didn't happen.

  10. Alsace

    Jul 03, 2015, 8:16 #72476

    People posting here would like the correct decisions to be taken and the underlying anxiety (based upon history)is that they won't be. PW. Pat Jennings was the best goalkeeper I have seen play in an Arsenal shirt. Rapunzel the Safehands wasn't fit to shine his boots and clean his kit. Unlike Rapunzel he didn't stay two years beyond his sell by date and lose us a Championship. As for Diaby, it's not his fault if the Club kept offering him money. He was a talented player whose career was destroyed by the sort of tackle which is still tolerated by the English game. That's why we need midfield destroyers - at least two of them. We also need a coach capable of understanding that such a player must be deployed as a deterrent. Only Wenger would keep a long term sick employee on rather than pension him off and pay a DM to make sure that it didnt happen again to one of our players. The opposition need to know that if they hand out career ending tackles that they will get one straight back.

  11. Ron

    Jul 02, 2015, 20:36 #72473

    Peter Wain - its quite surprising they've even bought Cech to be truthful. I think if The Porto midfield player (cant recall the name) falls into his price range he ll buy him. People scream for a forward and CB though. Cant really see anything like that happening.

  12. Badarse

    Jul 02, 2015, 18:54 #72472

    jj are you sure you aren't a Sour as you see everything in black and white negativity? Cech is abetter than OK signing and I am cool with that, but you seem a bit hot under the collar about it. Seems we are not so far apart as I posted the other day that we'd finish runners up and may have a profitable run in the League Cup, now you row in with a trophy and a 3rd place finish. Fancy a whelk omelette?

  13. jjetplane

    Jul 02, 2015, 17:50 #72471

    So, apparently was Jesus and he got crucified. Bit like the Arsenal defence over the last decade. Bit of a underwhelming signing in all honesty but you would at least hope he will stabilize things at the back so maybe 3rd looks good again with a league cup. WESTIe is not rightly excited by the signing and you have to wonder whether the astute one is or are we at the placating crossroad once more.

  14. Badarse

    Jul 02, 2015, 16:49 #72470

    On the subject of Petr Cech's age and being past his best. Well my all-time favourite tennis player Roger Federer, (just a line-call ahead of Bjorn Borg), has just demolished a younger player in straight sets. He is past his best too, but you know what? He might win Wimbledon again. Oh yea he too is 33, but just a shade older than Cech.

  15. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jul 02, 2015, 16:41 #72469

    Jason, of course he is, we've haven't had a proper captain in donkeys years and still don't, a lot of talk of a proper keeper winning us games/points, does a good proper captain in the bracket of TA, MK, PV, etc not do the same? like I said we haven't had one in years and not likely to, very astute of OGL indeed.

  16. Badarse

    Jul 02, 2015, 15:46 #72468

    Now you are talking, (gibberish). Spent some time on different occasions at Mentmore Towers, ('All Those Years Ago'), so it's all about those Wagon Wheels, (did they ever shrink in size?). Harry Ramsden, Harry Redknap, Harry Oop, Harry, Harry.

  17. Westlower

    Jul 02, 2015, 14:22 #72467

    Our younger set of players are now approaching their best years and will stamp their quality on the PL this season. Combined with a mix of older players, it's a formidable outfit. There are no rules that say players cannot improve with experience & game time. Watch this side go all the way! "Four wheels on my wagon"

  18. Peter Wain

    Jul 02, 2015, 13:46 #72466

    Whilst Jennings was a good keeper his best and most dominating years were with the scum. He was never an Arsenal great and in my opinion does not compare to Wilson or the great Jack Kelsey. We will see how Czech fares but sadly I think this may be our last purchase. I do not understand how OGL needs time to consider his options. Surely he has being doing that since the season finished and must know who he wants. But indecision always seems to dominate our transfer dealings these days so I hold out little hope for another purchase.

  19. Badarse

    Jul 02, 2015, 13:42 #72465

    Taoism, the philosophy and art of just being. Winnie the Pooh mastered this easily, but jjetplane, we know Ratty never could.

  20. Jason

    Jul 02, 2015, 12:21 #72464

    What Arsenal also need is a "PROPER" captain!!!!!! The situation has become a joke. Is Wenger seriously going to keep Arteta and Per as captain and vice captain. Neither should be starting, let alone captain.

  21. jjetplane

    Jul 02, 2015, 12:07 #72463

    Arsene Wenger will now be known as The Astute One (TAO). This really is the year. Cue WESTIE and BADDIE bigging it up with the tambourines on Oxford St. Good old Krishna. Won't be Ganesh 'cause he remembers all the drubbings .... Anyway, Taoism (the shining path). Very astute Moriarty ...

  22. radfordkennedy

    Jul 02, 2015, 11:51 #72462

    Bard...agree with you mate if alexis has a slow start or dip in form, for all those names quoted where as you say are those goals that win titles going to come from.

  23. jjetplane

    Jul 02, 2015, 11:27 #72461

    Drinking brandy out of a bottle in this heat is not a good idea. Room temperature water would be a better option. Thought you was a Wenger (the Astute one) man? ... Do not boil that broccoli! Unlucky England last night. better team on the night and not one Arsene player to be seen. All Citeh and Chelski. Anyway - now Arsene Utd has landed Cat 2, well has to be at least runners up and a semi final in the ...... CL (league cup....) .... Love this site! Love the astuteness ...

  24. Bard

    Jul 02, 2015, 11:26 #72460

    Westie; Why do you think they will be fit and improved next season. Our injury record season on season is terrible and none of those will score 25/30 goals a season. Your post seems like blind hope to me, which incidentally I dont have a problem with. Im like that with golf. I always think i am going to shoot under par and never have in my life.

  25. Ron

    Jul 02, 2015, 10:04 #72459

    Hi Westie - i can see yr point though perhaps youve stretched it a little bit. Im not of the view that there can be much of a percentage change with Wellbeck Walcott Gibbs Ozil Willshere and Jenkinson(who will be sold soon). They are what they are and have been around for quite a while. I do like Gnabry though and Bellerin is potentially a very top player. Chamberlain is already a top lad if he can stay fit.

  26. Westlower

    Jul 02, 2015, 9:07 #72458

    Add to my previous list of improvers the Ox, probably the most significant one of all who will go on to be a top, top player, Chambers, Jenkinson, Campbell, Zelalem & Bielik. The list is endless. No other PL club can boast of such strength in depth among the younger players. How astute is our manager?

  27. Westlower

    Jul 02, 2015, 8:53 #72457

    Because of their age or because they missed large chunks of last season through injury, all of the following will improve & be better players this season. Bellerin, Gibbs, Gabriel, Coq, Jack, Theo, Welbeck, Gnabry, Akpom, Sanogo, Ozil, Alexis. That in itself will improve us as a team.

  28. Seven Kings Gooner

    Jul 02, 2015, 8:20 #72456

    Cyril,Ron - Great points about goalkeepers, I wanted us to bust the back for Neuer. He is a sweeper and goalkeeper in one, gives you an extra man and allows you to play much further up the pitch, and he does all the basics plus some more.

  29. John Gage

    Jul 02, 2015, 6:02 #72455

    Another added benefit of a top goalkeeper is in providing stability and confidence for the defenders not just to defend but to join in the attack. I used to watch a lot of Serie A when I was living in Italy and there it was a given that the goalkeeper was absolutely critical for the team.

  30. Finsbury Joe

    Jul 02, 2015, 0:56 #72454

    Have to correct on one issue. Unless I am mistaken, and I may be, haven't Chelsea blocked Cechs coach moving to Arsenal? And the club have let a guy who David Seaman tweeted " the best coach at the club by a mile" go to Swansea. Which means Cech will be coached by the goal keeping great, and Wenger untouchable Gerry Peyton. So someone please tell me, what's the point of signing him with this coach in place? Cech coached by Peyton is like KP coaches by Peter Moores or Rooney coached by Roy Hodgson Wrong on all universal, moral,human and sporting levels

  31. LEULZ

    Jul 01, 2015, 23:18 #72453

    What's funny, is that there are people out there who genuinely think Cech will win Arsenal the league. LOL! Wenger is still the manager so wakey wakey! There is still no top class DCM (Coquelin has few months of form that's it, got slapped up by Kondogbia of Monaco if I recall), and crucially there is no top class striker. Cech has come from playing at a club with Killer Costa up front, to Giroud the Joke. Cech cannot "teach" our PL and CL losers to become winners. You're either a winner or not. Arsenal under Wenger have not been winners for 10 years. Note how excited most fans got when it looked as if we were going to finish 2nd this season (came 3rd). We will finish no better than 3rd again - behind Citeh and Chelsi AGAIN. Yawn.

  32. Ron

    Jul 01, 2015, 22:55 #72452

    Cyril - what an absolute pleasure to see you posting again.A wonderful point you make. Im of the view that in any team, if you can rank possibly 'importance of position', the keeper wins hands down. No 1 in number and importance for me. The most basic and accepted task a keeper is asked to do in any game is fundamental. A simple catch, a throw out, a simple punch, a goal kick ....forget the saves. Any of those accepted and taken for granted tasks done badly or carelessly can and often will see a team concede. The forward can miss 5 chances and then score. Its unlikely he ll harm his team with his misses. A defender can cock up. Yes, he ll give a goal away some times if the opponent is sharp enough to capitalize, but as often as not they wont be and the defenders skin is saved or the keeper will save the day. The poor keeper is on a hiding to nothing from the second he dons his gloves isnt he. An absolutely vital position and yet one that has seen the value of keepers rarely match the value of the other 10. Not sure how many games young De Gea won or drew for Utd last season? Countless games he saved them.

  33. Cyril

    Jul 01, 2015, 21:13 #72451

    Terry, it's all cool and get your point but the semantics of saved points and directly winning from your shot/header is simplistic. I have watched them close up for 3 decades and I don't think I have every come across exponents like Jennings/seaman/schmeicel/Shilton who can on the spin of a catch turn defence into attack immediately. More so relevant with seaman and schmeicel purely as the fitness has got better. Big jump in nineties etc. in fact I have marvelled at the excellence of seaman stretching out his body for a fifty yard spinning zipping pass wide that takes the whole oppo midfield out leaving a stretched fullback and space in between the centre backs .Goals did come from those moves. In other words he made the goals or an assist. I accept it was more 442 but I assume you would agree that an assist counts as winning a game without being pedantic. It's a great signing and yes he can help us to win games and save us points at the same time. COYG

  34. Roy

    Jul 01, 2015, 18:24 #72449

    The general consensus appears to be that the acquisition of Cech alone will not be enough to properly challenge for the title, and I couldn't agree more. There's no doubt that Coq needs some support and that we could do with that 25 - league goals a season striker, but even if just one of these came in, we would surely be in with a chance. Both of them won't happen so it's either or. I think if you asked most fans what we needed this Summer in order of priority, a goalkeeper wouldn't have been top. But now that we have this, if it is not supplemented by A.N. Other, it will not have the desired effect as we play a more expansive game than the other top sides. If this player comes in, preferably one with Prem experience, there will be real cause for optimism, otherwise no. Ps. Of course keepers can win you games....tut tut Terry !

  35. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jul 01, 2015, 17:32 #72446

    WABATTD, post of the day, our saviour, sorry ex saviour can now spend the rest of his days counting his cash (and can now well afford to buy his mate that other saviour light bulb head his island and helicopter) thanks to OGL, or until he finds some other mugs willing to wait five years for him to get fit and come back and save them.

  36. Bard

    Jul 01, 2015, 17:08 #72444

    The Fonz; Good call, one swallow doesnt make a summer. For some reason we got a bit of business done early presumably it helped that Cech didnt want to leave London but one suspects that we will revert to type soon enough. Buying a striker better than Giroud isnt easy in a market where Untd are willing to spend fortunes and my guess is that with Arteta and Flamini still on the books Wenger wont be any hurry to buy another DM, so I agree we all need to chill. The cynic in me thinks he might well be happy to go into next season with what he's got and will buy only if something special and cheap comes up.

  37. Badarse

    Jul 01, 2015, 16:47 #72443

    Just had a quick update read, best was saved until last, what a level-headed post The Fonz, good lad. Others please take note of how it should be done. All together now, 'One wheel on my wagon...'

  38. The Fonz

    Jul 01, 2015, 16:00 #72442

    Oh Terry, what a miserable curmudgeon you must be. As a man who is clearly more informed than many pundits, current players & ex –pro’s you clearly have chosen to play semantics with what is a very well known phrase in football. We do appreciate you pointing out that keepers don’t score goals, but it’s more a matter of opinion if stopping a goal equates to winning a game, when really the point is that they can save you (or earn) points. If you think that professing a well known adage about keepers and points is “garbage” then why bother posting? What I find most amusing, is that you were “beside myself when news broke of the Vidal interest”! Im sorry Terry, what you mean is, that you fell hook line and sinker for some clown on twitter professing we had done a deal for Vidal, in fact this “story” was peddled long before the Copa America started, so if you were indeed beside yourself, the Im sorry my friend but you are a bit of a fool. I really don’t understand why after having the same manager for 20 yrs, that fans get suckered into this ridiculous transfer feeding frenzy! Surely by now you must know our manager well enough to know that Vidal was never on our shopping list! Why on earth would he buy another box to box midfielder? In fact were barely into the window and people are getting beside themselves, I would go and crack open a beer and chill out lad. Plenty of time for Carvalho to join us, who would be the type of player AW goes for, but the fact he is one of Mendes suggests that a transfer will be very difficult to pull off, but let’s wait and see before we start raising the blood pressure every time we are linked with someone.

  39. DWThomas

    Jul 01, 2015, 15:51 #72441

    Can't believe people on here are saying gks can't push a team over the line?? Does anyone remember Almunia? Shot between his legs 2006 CL final? Or Flappy's mistake in the FA Cup semi vs Chelsea when Arshavin didn't start? Cech is a great signing, way late I agree, but better late than never, right? We still need a better forward than old cumbersome Giroud and a partner for Coq in defense. What's lacking most is players with attitude and energy like Coq and Sanchez. Funny how they spent a lot of their careers away from Arsene! Could Cech be a signing from OGL's giant ego to help finally beat his nemesis? I am excited about this season for reasons probably different than most. I want to see Jack get a long healthy run, if Coq continues his great defending, and what other quality additions we get to maybe finally complete this talented group! Yet, my feelings of disappointment still linger from years of failure. We need a machine of a team that fires on all pistons. Cech is a start. Let's,finish this summer ready with quality additions. Quality in the sense of us logical posters, not just Wengers idea!!

  40. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Jul 01, 2015, 14:33 #72440

    Nice to see some movement in the market before August 31st. Now for two more, DM and class CF. I see Diaby has finally been let go, so he can't count as a new signing anymore. The man should be eternally grateful to AW for making him a millionaire whilst doing sweet FA for much of the time

  41. johnnyhawleyloovinggooner

    Jul 01, 2015, 13:39 #72439

    They used to call one of their keepers the cat.does thst mean we have signed the cat in the hat?really top drawer marquee player that our now no2 can see what is really required of a top line player.witb this sale the cbavs bave showen a bit of class for once

  42. Ron

    Jul 01, 2015, 13:03 #72436

    This 'keepers cant win you games' is curious? Keeper saves pen last seconds. Hes won the game for his team? Keeper makes save after save in one sided match, last sec goal follows. Keeper will say that his saves avoided a thrashing i.e. he 'won' the game? Anyway Brian Clough originated the oft used 'he s worth 12 points a season' (Shilton) so that's good enough for me. Keepers win games. Try winning a game without one Terry.

  43. Highbury Boy

    Jul 01, 2015, 12:12 #72435

    A great signing. OK technically gks can't win you matches but how often must it frustrate our forwards to dominate matches and see the opposition score a soft goal with their first attack. Seen so many times at the Emirates.Conversely how inspiring to go away and see your gk pull off a string of saves. GKs make a difference and on past performances Cech is up there with Seaman and Jennings. There is no reason why he cannot play at the top level for the 4 years of his contract.

  44. David

    Jul 01, 2015, 11:40 #72432

    Badarse - I would completely agree that you are probably past your best; however, Cech being a mere sapling at 33, and with a new challenge to motivate him, should be very good for 3/4 years. New lease of life and all that.

  45. Mark from Aylesbury

    Jul 01, 2015, 11:12 #72431

    Jameson - oh sorry dear chap I did not realise each new player needed a thumbs up or down from me. In this instance thumbs up! Jolly delighted! Did we get the goalie coach as well? If so radical move and it might help old fagash Lille with his keeper skills as well. Tally ho! I thought it wise to throw in a few upper class ism's

  46. Bard

    Jul 01, 2015, 11:00 #72430

    What a joy to read Terry's informative post. All these years of watching football and I hadnt realised that keepers dont score goals. However at the risk of sounding all Amos it is of course possible for a keeper to score goals. Rogerio Ceni of Sao Paulo has scored more than 100 goals for his club and if Cech scored 20 in a season he probably would win us 12+ points. On another matter altogether I cant for the life of me understand why posters complain about the 'garbage' on this site. I thought the whole point of football sites was a platform to post mildly offensive, humorous and enlightened garbage.

  47. Wear Your Colours

    Jul 01, 2015, 9:38 #72429

    Certainly a good addition to the squad. Hopefully, Cech can inspire us to a win over his former team mates early next season. That would get the Mourinho jinx off our backs. COYG!

  48. Tony Evans

    Jul 01, 2015, 8:02 #72428

    Excellent signing and hopefully we can now put all those years of keeper misery behind us. Need a top quality DM now and I will be the most optimistic I have been for a long while. Would love to see a prolific striker too but that is going in to the realms of fantasy I think. Hope also to see a few players shifted out to make room for new acquisitions.

  49. Badarse

    Jul 01, 2015, 6:26 #72427

    What a very well presented piece. It summarises our recent past history on keepers, and brings us right up to date. Thank you Kevin. Cech is a good buy; for his remarkable ability, and also for the influence he may offer on the training pitch and in the dressing room. Past his best? He is 33, so of course he is, I am past mine too. Yet guess what? You lot are too. I am not being dismissive, our 'best' is a fleeting moment, but Cech's level is still sky high. He is close to his best, which is enough.

  50. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jul 01, 2015, 0:11 #72425

    Terry, your right we don't need vidal we've enough nice boys fawning around the place spending more time on their hair than their game without another Sassoon.

  51. unchives

    Jun 30, 2015, 23:43 #72424

    Great signing, Arsenal champions in May? yes they will be, however, hold onto your hat!

  52. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jun 30, 2015, 23:40 #72423

    Yes indeed that's going to be one of the benefits of cech the influence he'll have on the team and players, Ramsey and others have been tweeting and purring with excitement and of course no show without punch, up pops wally to remind us all he scored his first goal against him (as if we care) he should certainly know how to organise a/his defence among other things, so lets hope he's allowed to because we know how some like to take the credit for everything and their ego takes a hit if they don't get it.

  53. Arseneknewbest

    Jun 30, 2015, 22:23 #72422

    Kevin - I was struck by your comment, "Better to have quality on the field than surplus cash in the bank". If only Stan, Ivan and OGL believed that. If they did, then I suspect that the last 10 years would have turned out differently. Cech is a good signing for me and I think he will inspire our back four to improve. I just hope it's DO on the bench next year with Ches shipped out. TJ - I genuinely believe that Chuba could be the future.

  54. Torbay gooner

    Jun 30, 2015, 20:58 #72420

    I am happy he has signed and I hope he will be fired up to prove to a few people that he is not past his best. I doubt that we have ever signed a player, who has already won so much in his career. Still can't decide, who I would prefer to be our no 2, although think Syczeny just edges out Ospina on ability, but not temperament/attitude.

  55. TJ

    Jun 30, 2015, 20:45 #72418

    It's really frustrating because we're now so close to having a complete squad (on paper at least). I don't think we need a CB as Gabriel/Kosc look good together so far. Mertesacker is an acceptable third choice and Chambers might be a genuine option in a few years. Coquelin is good enough to start at DM, but we do need cover and the option to put two in midfield if we want to defend against big teams. There are a few good options too; Tiote, Wanyama, Carvalho would all be great additions, but I just can't see any deals materialising (hope to be proven wrong). As for striker, I doubt anyone will be signed. Wenger will be keen to keep Walcott (unless he persuades him to be a winger again) and overrates Giroud. Are there better options available? Hardly. Benzema is hardly ahead of Giroud for France and the reason Real keep him is because he is willing to pass to Ronaldo (is lack of goalscoring is criticised in Spain). Higuain was sold because he was more selfish but he was great a few years ago, probably too old now and Napoli want a large fee. Cavani another one who is past his peak and would cost a fortune in fees and wages too. Lacazette is apparently a weak passer and hasn't proven himself at a high enough level. I honestly think the only potential striker worth signing would be Lukaku. I know he's a bit clumsy but he's 22 and could be the long term answer. Sadly it looks like more Arteta and Giroud for back up so unless Wenger really does address the deficiencies (assuming he can even see them...) then it will be another scrap for fourth place. City, United and Chelsea will make sure they remedy their squad weaknesses and now would be the best time to get a full group in place.

  56. BiggoonerDave

    Jun 30, 2015, 20:32 #72417

    Honestly,what complete and utter garbage gets posted on here!!!!Wenger finally buys a proven top quality keeper and people still whinge,Cech's got nothing to prove,domestically and European club football wise he's won the lot. He's record is far superior to Jennings,Seaman and Lehmann and yet they became legends at the club. Hopefully after 3 years at the club the keepers under him will have learnt about the art of goalkeeping and will be all the better for his presence at the club,so stop whinging and look at the positive effect he will have rather than the negative.

  57. Savage

    Jun 30, 2015, 20:28 #72416

    "This summer’s big signing is still to be made" In terms of money yes, but in terms of importance, no. Cech is the big one. If we do better than that, I'll be very surprised.

  58. Danny

    Jun 30, 2015, 20:13 #72415

    The best keeper at the club since Big Pat.But his signing alone will not win us the big hours.We still need a CB a DM and a top class striker.Arsenal will not win the league with Giroud and Welmiss as our strikers

  59. Seven Kings Gooner

    Jun 30, 2015, 19:48 #72414

    Cech is a good start Kev - be it 8 years too late. Wenger's insistence that Almunia was a good keeper used to wind me up a tad, when AW started saying Manuel was good enough to play for England, it was for me, the moment the disconnect between Wenger and the fans started. AW started to talk like Clough in his latter years, it was as if Arsene says, so it must be true. Then that Stoke game when we lost 2-1 in a cowardly performance, was when I knew something OGL did not - MA was not a Premier League goalkeeper. Hopefully Cech and his coach can pull a few defenders into one of their goalkeeping sessions, you never know our back four might just learn something yet!

  60. Ron

    Jun 30, 2015, 19:46 #72413

    Its off Kevs topic and moved to midfielders but i reckon Wanyama is a player who would do well at AFC if theyre shopping in S'ton. I do think Schneiderlin is very over rated to be honest. Certainly not worth the value Saints attribute to him.

  61. Terry

    Jun 30, 2015, 19:37 #72412

    I read this garbage about keepers win you games and that Cech will win us at least 12 points next season. The truth is, keepers save you points but they don't win you games, it's the forwards that do that! Some of the errors last year that resulted in dropped points were as a result of bad defending and a bit of bad goal keeping. What Cech will hopefully do is organise the defence better and make less blunders then our present keepers. Signing Cech was a statement that our back five needed to improve and to be honest we are still short of another top defender and a man of Steel to sit in front of the 5. I was beside myself when news broke of the Vidal interest but when I sat and thought about it I don't think he is what we need as we have that type player in Ramsey (box to box) however his work rate could be an inspiration to others so wouldn't say no to his arrival. I would honestly like to have seen Carvalho or Schneiderlin to be apart of the central midfield role along side Coquelin, Wilshere and Ramsey (options of any two from four. Cech Bellerin-Paulista-Koscielny-Gibbs Wilshere/Coquelin - Schneiderlin OR Carvalho/Ramsey Walcott/Cazorla - Ozil/Oxlade - Sanchez/Welbeck Higuain/Giroud Not a bad line up if we could get it!

  62. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jun 30, 2015, 19:35 #72411

    Finally for now Kev as much as it's welcome it's a stop gap nothing else, it certainly doesn't solve the problem long term, we're going to be still in the same boat in a couple of seasons time, and as somebody has alluded to over the page what happens if he gets injured? which is highly likely with OGL's regime.