#FlashbackFriday – Friendlies: Part Four

The story of Arsenal’s friendlies v foreign opposition concludes



#FlashbackFriday – Friendlies: Part Four

The Emirates Cup – Now traditional curtain raiser


(Ed’s note – For those that missed the first three instalments of this epic review, they can be viewed on the following links:
part one
part two
& part three

In August of 1996, Bruce Rioch had been stalling on signing his new contract for a little over a year, his position as Arsenal manager however was most probably considered even less tenable at this point than it had been before the pre-season fixtures commenced. On top of failing to land any additions to the squad, (other than former goalkeeper John Lukic as cover for David Seaman) after defeating St. Albans City 6-0 away from home in their opening pre-season fixture, Arsenal failed to win the following seven games (a run which included six defeats against Birmingham, Celtic, Rangers, Fiorentina, Benfica and Northampton Town), which obviously strongly hinted at discord within the camp.

After a 1-1 draw with Ipswich Town for John Wark’s testimonial, Bruce Rioch was dismissed by the Arsenal board. In stark contrast to their pre-season form however, by the time Arsene Wenger came to the club six weeks later Arsenal were sitting at the top of the Premiership – a fact which surprised most observers, who certainly didn’t think Stewart Houston and Pat Rice could hold the fort while Wenger saw out his contract with Grampus Eight. Though currently a divisive figure among the fans, it’s undoubted that after his appointment Wenger ushered in a new era at Highbury. At the very start of his first full season, an Arsenal side with signings such as Marc Overmars, Emmanuel Petit and Luis Boa Morte, alongside existing squad members such as Paul Shaw, saw off St. Albans City with a comprehensive 4-1 victory.

Wenger’s new style of Football also proved a hit with a global audience, as seen by this welcome which awaited the Arsenal squad on a visit to Thailand in 1999. Arsene Wenger’s Arsenal side would also receive an invite from Ajax for the newly reprised Amsterdam tournament in 2000. The club’s first appearance in this tournament came in 1979, where the club finished third. Arsenal’s return twenty one years on however saw them finish in last place, after losing 2-1 to a Barcelona side who had recently poached both Emmanuel Petit and Marc Overmars from Arsenal for a combined fee of £30 million. Arsenal’s goal was a well taken shot from Lithuanian trialist Tomas Danilevicius, who went on to make two other appearances that season against Sunderland on the opening day and a 5-3 home win against Charlton the following week. Arsenal were to taste defeat again 24 hours later, losing 2-0 to hosts Ajax.

Despite experiencing their best ever season in 2004, Arsenal were to finish in last place in that year’s Amsterdam Trophy again albeit on the back of two 0-0 draws with River Plate and Ajax (so actually remained unbeaten while still finishing last!). As you’re all well aware, Arsenal famously went the entire season before unbeaten sealing this achievement on 15th May 2004 and within forty eight hours of this feat took on an England XI for Martin Keown’s farewell testimonial, winning 6-0.

Despite obtaining the wooden spoon in 2004, Arsenal would go on to win three of the next four Amsterdam tournaments, sealing the 2005 trophy by beating the hosts 1-0 with a great finish from young Italian prospect Arturo Lupoli (whatever happened to him?) and then two Freddie Ljungberg goals saw off FC Porto in the final a day later. Though Arsenal didn’t compete in the Amsterdam tournament in 2006, that summer’s Amsterdam connection was retained through Dennis Bergkamp’s Testimonial becoming the first game to be played at our new ground.

The following season, the company who held the naming rights to our new ground would initiate their own tournament in a similar vein to Ajax’s with the very first Emirates Cup, which Arsenal went on to win beating Paris St. Germain and Inter along the way. Arsenal would however also return to the Dutch capital to reclaim the Amsterdam trophy with victories over Lazio and Ajax. Highlights of the inaugural Emirates Cup, that year’s Amsterdam trophy win and all other 2007/08 pre-season friendlies are captured here on this YouTube vid.

Arsenal came third in the Emirates Cup of 2008, losing 1-0 to Juventus though beating Real Madrid the following day. The Amsterdam tournament though was to remain in Arsenal’s possession, beating hosts Ajax 3-2 after trailing 2-0 with goals from Luis Suarez and Klaus Jan Huntelaar, securing the trophy a day later with a. 1-1 draw with reigning UEFA Cup holders, Sevilla Arsenal were to win the Emirates trophy back again in 2009, with wins over Atletico Madrid Atletico Madrid and a comfortable 3-0 win over Rangers, both games here commented on enthusiastically by Americans in a way you’d have never previously imagined with the Makita International tournament.

Arsenal’s last Emirates Cup triumph came a year later in 2010, drawing their first game against AC Milan 1-1 while defeating Celtic 3-2 the following day. Though now seen as Arsenal’s annual curtain raiser to the season (with the exception of 2012, where the tournament was deferred for one year because of the London Olympics), an Emirates Cup triumph has eluded them since 2010. The highlights in the meantime have been Thierry Henry’s return to Arsenal with New York Red Bulls in 2011 and four goals for Yaya Sanogo in a 5-1 demolition of Benfica where the BT Sport commentator memorably proclaimed Yaya to be ‘unstoppable’ just before he tripped over a microphone while running toward the crowd in celebration after bagging his fourth goal.

An interesting thing to observe from last year’s Emirates Cup footage however is that though the tournament is often derided as meaningless, there were few if any empty seats at the stadium in Ashburton Grove for Yaya Sanogo’s big moment in contrast to the sea of empty spaces for AC Milan’s game against Tottenham – and Arsenal’s 4-0 victory against our much maligned near neighbours the day before - in the Wembley International Tournament of 1988 as seen in yesterday’s article. Even taking into account that the national stadium held a bigger capacity in 1988 than Arsenal’s current stadium, the difference in capacity isn’t that great to justify the visible emptiness of some parts of the ground. The very same problem was visible with Arsenal’s Mercantile Credit Cup Final with Manchester United two months later at the much smaller Villa Park.

Despite the fact that these fixtures featured legendary names such as Paul Gascoigne, Bryan Robson, Mark Hughes, Ruud Gullit, Marco Van Basten, Frank Rijkaard, Paolo Maldini and Franco Baresi (the latter quintet were global stars on what was a very rare appearance in the UK), up against a ‘Champions Elect’ Arsenal side which itself contained a considerable amount of exciting young talent in one side, not seen since the days of the Busby Babes, they actually failed to sell out. What you see quite starkly see from this is that though modern football receives much in the way of criticism (as does the Emirates Cup with the cringe making Mexican waves which most of the day-trippers annually insist on), the demand for match day attendance in 2015 - even for ‘Mickey Mouse’ friendlies – self-evidently has sky-rocketed since the late 1980s.

Back in the mid to late-1980s many spoke of the ‘English disease’ which blighted our national game. When you take into account the fact that supply and demand is a huge factor behind inflation in the price of any commodity, it’s quite possible that paying £25 to see Arsenal line up against Nic Bendtner’s Wolfsburg (when we could have seen Gullit, Rijkaard and Van Basten for much less) might just have to be written off as a side-effect of twenty first century Football’s ‘disease of affluence’ – if that’s actually some consolation to you!

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  1. Badarse

    Jul 28, 2015, 14:22 #73274

    Oh no it isn't!

  2. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jul 28, 2015, 14:14 #73273

    Hiccup, it's all about having to have the last word, (what ever that does for or makes one feel only he knows) so expect a thousand more.

  3. Badarse

    Jul 28, 2015, 11:20 #73258

    Because it irritates and annoys Hiccup. It isn't real though, just little needles and pins. When two tribes go to war a point is all that you can score-though jj's pointy head sometimes gets him a bonus mark. Back to the script, 'What? That's almost an armful!' (fifty tree words).

  4. Hiccup

    Jul 28, 2015, 6:54 #73255

    Why use ten words to say nothing when you can use a thousand

  5. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jul 28, 2015, 0:14 #73253

    jw, yes Steptoe and son, one can just imagine OGL teaching bouldy to waltz, teaching him the mans steps and not the ladies(of course he's always right)and as he leaves for the micky mouse dance competition standing in horse shyte, and after OGL's instructions you can just imagine bouldy waltzing back into the stage and everybody laughing at him, and then arriving home and old Steptoe asking where's the trophy and bouldy telling him what happened, and of course OGL saying it's not my fault it must be the judges.

  6. Badarse

    Jul 27, 2015, 22:55 #73251

    Apologies Bard, my post was definitely too nuanced. In this it caused a cessation of the main point of deliverance-that being brevity, with a capital brev. I tried to combat that but ran the risk of falling between two stools, and in remembering jeff's fall between two divan beds, I was left in a conundrum, which for a drum is quite muscular. Theo? I thought on the first day I saw him he wouldn't make it, and here 38 years later he is still with us and still in the process of 'not making it'. I see him retiring and still the question marks would be hovering above his head-'Did he make it, or not?'. He is able, just, at a seven out of ten score at the highest level-though that level is very high, despite what the carrion on here believe. He is obviously an impact sub against tired legs, most recognise that now. He is instinctive and is fine running onto, carrying around, and touching a ball beyond a keeper. If he has to think he is lost. I see no dipping of shoulders, no body swerves, step overs, feints, or anything spontaneously inventive, but he is a footballer and can do a job. As such he is an average £10million man. He touched the ball rarely in yesterday's match, and Adelaide was the star by comparison, jinking, dinking, and thinking. Trouble is Theo is a valuable commodity and the illusion must be preserved-it's our investment after all, and money talks, though it don't sing and dance, and it don't walk. Probably Theo doesn't either, but have heard mag does at choir practise, especially when Father Fromthetruth takes the sessions. Say goodnight Badarse, 'Goodnight Badarse.'

  7. goonercolesyboy

    Jul 27, 2015, 21:08 #73243

    I'm for ever blowing bubbles, prettty bubbles in the air, they fly so high, they reach the sky then like jeff wright they fade and die, Hiccup's always running, maguiresbridge and jj too, Arsene 's always running, running after you. The Arsenal, the Arsenal.

  8. Bard

    Jul 27, 2015, 21:03 #73242

    Baddie; does that mean you think we should keep or sell Wally ? I got lost somewhere between the 15th and 16th chapter. I couldnt manage the next 20. @ Colseyboys; that was quite transcendental and philosophical. Maybe there is doubt creeping in. There is always room on the other side.

  9. jeff wright

    Jul 27, 2015, 20:56 #73240

    mg, at least Tony would feel at home at a club where he was not expected to challenge for the league. Arsene and Steve 'keep a look out Lee while I get me rubber glove and tube of deep heat ready ' could always start a new career as a comedy duo . Some see them as a Laurel and Hardy act . Steve with the Adolph tash and Arsene pulling silly long-faces . Problem with this though is that Arsene wouldnt put up with Steve slapping his face so that is a non -starter. Shame really because physically they have the potential and there are some great old Arsene one liner gags that they could use . Perhaps Steptoe (Arsene) and Son (Steve) would be a better act ,brought up to date with Arsene driving a White Van instead of a donkey and cart...altogether now ...any old iron any old iron...any any any old iron...

  10. Badarse

    Jul 27, 2015, 20:35 #73239

    Excuse me interrupting the psychoanalysis of Arsene Wenger, being undertaken by the illustrious and well-balanced group of oddities from beyond the fringe. The motley crew, headed by the Don Quixote,(that's 'kee-oh-tee...Kee-own! Kee-own! Shh, julesd, you'll wake the slumbering Ron-still rejoicing in the England ladies losing the cricket test), of the Online Gooner-Hiccup. He and his posse are the best analysts,-(with the emphasis on the first two syllables)-of all things mental. It is quite clear you need a well-balanced group like maguiresbridge, jj, jeff and Hiccup, to endeavour to assimilate every contour of behavioural abnormalities-jj is perfectly placed to delve into the 9th tier of comprehension, jeff has experienced 6 degrees of separation on a few occasions, once when he accidentally did the splits after trying to do his Long John Silver act and the parrot got caught in his braces, and that infamous night on his honeymoon when he took a run up and fell between the two divan beds he'd pushed together. mag thinks he had 6 degrees of separation too, as he has seen the 3 degrees twice, and been ejected on both occasions for, 'a misdemeanour with a garden gnome'. Who wouldn't want these stalwarts assessing and delivering a decisive conclusion on what goes on inside someone else's head-when recent scans of the heads of the four showed something akin to a honeycomb. Try me fellas! On a more adult and instructive note I have just seen family members' pics of me and my mate the FA Cup. I have a great one touching the 'Arsenal' engraving, and a glorious one of me puckered up and kissing the beautiful old lady. Worth getting a b*llocking for. Ok, carry on guys.

  11. goonercolesyboy

    Jul 27, 2015, 20:02 #73238

    Interpretation is everything.

  12. Westlower

    Jul 27, 2015, 19:33 #73236

    Benzema missed today's game RM v Inter. Nod, nod, wink, wink, know what I mean, drink up Trig we're off to sign a striker. His replacement Jese scored the opening goal. Perhaps we should sign him as it would be great to hear a chant of 'come on you Jese'

  13. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jul 27, 2015, 18:40 #73235

    jw, 77321, there's always Tony Pulis.

  14. Hiccup

    Jul 27, 2015, 18:37 #73234

    Colesey. That's not my definition of bringing youth through? We agree on something! Just going along with how you and the troll cockup (posts now removed) defined this bringing the youth through. If Ronaldo bought at 18 was classed in the definition by cockup, then Rooney also fits in that band. I guess that chamberlain now has to be excluded too as we paid £15m for him a week before his 18th birthday? Do we still include Theo that we paid £5m for? The goalposts are moving more times now than the number of positions that Theo can play.

  15. jjetplane

    Jul 27, 2015, 18:35 #73233

    Wenger I reckon enjoys the abstraction of Walcott. He probably is amused after having taken Henry off the wing and stuck him in the middle and said the goal is in front of you now. Henry having a few more brain cells went back out on the wing, then to the other flank, back in the middle and generally getting all the bastards dizzy with it. Poor old Theo (he even tries to do that Henry breast thump thing when he scores) just gets in a rut and does a perry Groves without the passion. He's always got one eye on the screens in the hope that someone spots him. Time is running out. Something on at the Potteries. Another Barca man in. Could be the story of the season. Stoke dazzling defences with split second 28 pass movements that leave the oppo Gk somewhere near the halfway line. Alfie Tupper would be loving it. With lots of vinegar. AKB central really need to set up a new troll division. No good sitting on your arses when the trble to be had. Is it really only the faithful WOB who is alert to the endless possibilities? Good old Football manager's wives ....

  16. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jul 27, 2015, 18:21 #73232

    jj, don't encourage, do we really want to hear about the Emirates cup excursion from Walton's mountain in triplicate.

  17. Hiccup

    Jul 27, 2015, 18:13 #73231

    jj, according to Wenger, Theo doesn't know himself his best position either. This really is a problem that I hope the club and Theo can resolve between themselves in the next ten years of his career. It seems the moderators have now got the trolling under control. Much better now where well informed debate can take place without the hysterics we saw over the weekend.

  18. jeff wright

    Jul 27, 2015, 18:11 #73230

    Bard as Hiccup suggests buying young players like Wally is really all about making cash from them .,Bergkamp actually once stated that this is what Wenger does. I's part of the business plan ideally with AOC coming through now the time is ripe to sell Wally before he gets injured again. As you say though AOC himself is another with that injury prone syndrome. Also we should not forget that Danny Boy is a wide player with speed and he still has a few years left on his current contract. Anyway it looks as if the big hitters who are required to finance a move for Wally have other ideas. City have probably had enough of over-paying for Wenger duffers and went for Sterling instead , if he cuts the mustard with them is a matter for conjecture,but at least he stays fit and his best position to be employed in is also not a concern. Unfortunately the same can't be said of Wally, as Wenger himself concedes . I think Walcott wants out personally and Wenger would not be that fussed if he went and the price was right for him. It probably won't happen though and Wenger will have to continue to try and make the best use of him. History says that this is the super-sub role coming on late to use his speed against tired opponents. Sometimes it works;sometimes not, there is despite Wally's recent goal scoring heroics also the long patches of injuries and inconsistency at times. He needed a few chances to score yesterday and some times you only get one against top opposition.

  19. goonercolesyboy

    Jul 27, 2015, 18:09 #73229

    Rooney joins Utd from Everton for over £20m at 18, interesting youth project that one.

  20. jjetplane

    Jul 27, 2015, 18:02 #73228

    Right there MARK with LVG who is now spouting along the lines that him and the missus 'have so little time left...' which has no doubt made one hooter a darker purple while making one Welsh tan fade by the minute. Mourinho has gone real quiet ever since he dissed Terry and Fabregas in a pique of plastic bravado. This may well be the season where Arsenal can win the league without competing. This really could be The Year of the WOB. Now if we could just have a song from PETE, we are good to go. Re-Abe to tear strips off Fabre. I think I see the light. Back to other matters. How are Stoke, Southampton and Bournemouth going to make this disarray their 12th man? Come on you (Orcs). HICCUP Your kantian bridges have got some Kants on here not knowing their Pumas from their Pococks.

  21. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jul 27, 2015, 17:59 #73227

    So the goal posts have been moved, i would have no problem calling/telling him he's an old fraud and a past it manager and it's time to go etc to his face, the only problem is myself and others would probably find ourselves banned and miss the good times when they return after he shuffles off back to France.

  22. Hiccup

    Jul 27, 2015, 17:21 #73226

    It's imperative we keep Theo! If he leaves, there will not be one player aged 25 or over in the squad that has come through our youth ranks. It sort of makes wenger's youth policy that he's been championing look like a failed exercise. Even United, who have apparently abandoned their youth policy ethic still have Rooney and Evans aged over 25 that came through their youth ranks. Maybe it's actually arsenal that's abandoned their principles? Unless of course the idea is to bring players through and sell them on, then maybe our policy has been a success?

  23. Mark from Aylesbury

    Jul 27, 2015, 17:19 #73225

    Away from our internal spats for a second . I have just read that Rojo also did not make the UTD flight to the states. Looks like sharing a flight with crazy LVG is not that popular. Nice to see disruption and cock-ups at Manure and also some player disenchantment at Chelsea.

  24. Bard

    Jul 27, 2015, 17:17 #73224

    Jeff, jj I agree, the Wally enigma. I have said before that we need to cash in on him. I wrote a while back that since he signed Arsenal have played 47000 min of football and Wally has played 18000. He is an injury liability. You also cannot play him in the same team as Ozil as they are both useless defensively. So as far as I can see he only has a role as a super sub. Do we really want to paying to be someone north of £100000 a year to warm the bench ? If the Ox stays fit and I realise thats another big if he is a better bet. Selling Wally would go some way to financing a striker or another top player. I wouldnt mind betting that Wally wants assurances and Wenger cant/wont give them.

  25. jjetplane

    Jul 27, 2015, 16:57 #73223

    The fundamental is that Wenger himself does not know his own best position. Judging by the cliched abstract comments on his players, he would do well to remain in Accounts Central throwing spreadsheets into a red basket. Theo needs to go in order to let the Ox breathe a bit more and feel less want to get distracted and then injured. he is on every level a better player than Walcott. Cannot get over that Adelaide boy's goal assist and at 17 and with a more youthful coach, well who knows. Thing is whether Wenger is actively alert enough to push these players further. Ozil is looking great but will he be given the constant motivation to succeed. It would be something to see some of these players hit the top scale but it always seems this manager does not own the hunger to push the 'project' on. If I am being this positive then AKB high command must be in a state of high delirium. Sunday should be fun but really - who would have thought .... Stoke bloody City!

  26. jeff wright

    Jul 27, 2015, 16:13 #73222

    It looks to me jjetplane that Wally is playing the dummy as in a mannequin fluttering his eyelashes at the big boys shop window and all that with a come and get me ... if you want me... Wenger seems somewhat laissez- faire about the no signing of the new contract that has been offered as well... I suspect that if someone did come in with a big offer for Wally ... with Stan losing money with us... that if the price is right then it will be a case of come on down Theo Walcot ... of course it's possible that no one will come in for Wally with his injury record of not being able to last out a season . Wenger himself,despite having had Wally forever,well it seems like forever , admits that he still doesn't know what Wally's best best position is. All rather confusing really because if Wenger doesn't know that then who does >? You couldn't make it up.

  27. jjetplane

    Jul 27, 2015, 15:22 #73221

    This season I will be mostly supporting Stoke City. They are the nearest thing to Barca in England - fact! ps Re-Ade's goal assist was a thing of beauty. Charlton/West ham will love him?! Does Ramsay look a bit tapped up? Not sure about paying Theo the lion's share on that performance down the middle. He does not have the presence. Where was the confetti? Arteta also played a lazy cross fielder but came back well to hoist the cup. No flies on him ....

  28. jjetplane

    Jul 27, 2015, 13:24 #73220

    'Please Sir - they keep saying bad things about our headmaster Sir! 'Sit down Colsey - you're not in the Taliban here .....' 'But Sir - we are presently world champions Sir' 'Yes yes - very good Colsey. Now sit down!' 'OK 200 wrd essay on the trip to the zoo eerr the Emirates. Mixed up the papers there. That's for the next class... Now then Badarse - care to lead the class in prayer ...and remember - stats must be on WESTIE's desk by tomorrow. Carry on BADDIE ...'

  29. jeff wright

    Jul 27, 2015, 12:31 #73219

    I find Wenger's comments about his critics to be disrespectful ,if you can't stand the heat then don't go in the kitchen is my advice to him.

  30. goonercolesyboy

    Jul 27, 2015, 11:45 #73218

    No not asking questions, it's just the way you disrespect the manager of Arsenal with your spiteful comments about his running of the club. Face to face. Easy to do hiding behind a keyboard.

  31. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jul 27, 2015, 11:39 #73217

    Bard, jw, well said, it would be the other way round indeed, there's a hell of a lot of us who would love to find ourselves in that position but it'll never happen because TOF wouldn't have the balls to meet fans in an open forum knowing or just as relevant not knowing the honest questions that would be thrown at him, and if he ever was door stepped or found himself in that position it wouldn't be hard to guess his reaction and answers were as he spat venom while getting redder and redder until he was rescued by the spin brigade and his luvvies.

  32. Hiccup

    Jul 27, 2015, 11:33 #73216

    In a hole's post has been removed? Now he really will be frothing at the mouth. Never mind, I'm sure you'll come up with yet another another name.

  33. Hiccup

    Jul 27, 2015, 11:17 #73215

    Only seems to be In a hole that's getting wound up with all of this? Now wipe that froth away from your mouth.

  34. Westlower

    Jul 27, 2015, 11:01 #73214

    @Badarse, It's good that the younger members of your family haven't had to wait 17 years to see a trophy winning team in the same way we did. The combined transfer of Yassin Fortune & Jeff Reine-Adelaide could be the transfer of the summer at £3m. It'll take longer to see Fortune as he's only 16 but is very highly thought of. I was also impressed with Isaac Hayden - could he be cover for Coq? Add the likes of Iwobi, Crowley, Zelalem, Bielik, Gnabry & Akpom, and the League Cup games will make for good viewing. More home grown talent in the pipeline!

  35. Hiccup

    Jul 27, 2015, 10:43 #73213

    Would Wenger have the cojones to stand before a little bit of quizzing? "Why do you look at me? Have you ever worked a day in football?" They would be the textbook answers to anything Wenger couldn't answer.

  36. jeff wright

    Jul 27, 2015, 10:17 #73212

    It must be comic relief day Bard with Colesoreboy challenging me and other critics to meet Wenger face to face to put questions to him. He only faces pre-question set ones in his stage-managed interviews .There is nothing I would like better but as with the players we need to sign to mount a proper challenge in the league and in Europe,it is never going to happen. Few media types actually ask any awkward questions of Wenger after games having been ,as with the dopey AKB 's, brain-washed into believing that Wenger's weltanschauung on everything to be true. The way he got away with the comments he made recently regarding United are a further example of this .

  37. jeff wright

    Jul 27, 2015, 10:01 #73211

    I'm not in a hole Toad you are . Toad In The Hole . Have you worked out what invariably means yet Toad ? By the way your name changing doesent help ,once an idiot always an idiot.... Spike you are right about Wenger's reason for rewriting United's history it is all to try and cover for his own failures. At the time when Ferguson signed Cantona it is a fact that United were not well off financially ,Martin Edwards who owned the club at the time had tried to sell it for a few million at one time to some dodgy businessman for a few million .The 1m that Ferguson spent on buying Cantona would have been at that time a large part of his budget to buy players with .Only an idiot anyway thinksthat a million pounds is pea-nuts at any time .The reality is that few footballers even now are worth that. TV and sponsorship cash has inflated the game financially but even so Wenger says that we lost money over the past six months . Stan won't be happy about that with his problems state side regarding building a $1-5 billion new stadium for one of his NFL clubs and other sundry matters. Cest la vie.

  38. Bard

    Jul 27, 2015, 9:59 #73210

    Colsyboys; thats quite funny. Having seen the boss get his knickers in a twist over a polite enquiry from dear old Jaqui Oakley you should perhaps put the question the other way round. If Kev and co manage to get audience with his lordship I want a front row seat. Mind you I shant be holding my breath on that one. There is about as much chance of it happening as Arsenal have of winning the PL or the CL. @baddie glad you had a good day the question bothering me is Jeff home grown ?

  39. Badarse

    Jul 27, 2015, 8:39 #73209

    Morning peeps. Working today-have to go out and case joints occasionally so not all Milk and Honey, (quiet John). Thank you for the wishes 24601 and of course julesd. Gave the lads a neighing-yeaing snort for you 24601, and a high-pitched whinny for you julesd. I think the lads heard, Callum turned a head as the ref nearly turned an ankle-then Theo turned a corner and scored. Had a wonderful time. Thought of you both seeing Martin Keown pitch side, 'Look kids! He was an Invincible!', (trademark protected jj). The man stopped and reached up giving autographs to a number of fans-a gentleman, (will explain later Ron). He still loves Arsenal you sad ones. Kids saw us win a trophy-deep joy! Big aspect for me Jeff Reinne-Adelaide will be a star. No hesitation, no edging of bets, this lad has it. We have a buffed but yet to be polished diamond in the ranks. Super cool, confident, skilful, positional awareness quite remarkable, strong-and though he has a bigger frame my buddy and I both saw the resemblance to 'Rocky'. Watch me be proved right one and all. Biggest bonus of day we saw the promotion of the FA Cup outside stadium. Joined a short queue and got snaps with the Cup itself-free! Rubbed my digit across the last name etched on the base-( that's Arsenal, spelt A-R-S-E-N-A-L, jeff), then got admonished for kissing the cup. Am happy with the snap of us with the cup, Arsenal winning/celebrating pic background, we looked resplendent in our shirts, then went inside to win. Cech has a game-hang a medal around his neck, has a second game-second medal hung, next week third game and...?

  40. jeffnothingknown

    Jul 27, 2015, 7:48 #73208

    @jeffwright. First rules of holes. When you are in one stop digging you numpty!

  41. jeff wright

    Jul 27, 2015, 0:25 #73207

    Only in your deluded mind Double Toady- in reality I am right in my view that Ferguson bought players to help win trophies. Im, 2m 3m, 4m who cares ,only you sunbeam and you are just desperately yet again trying to nit pick .You really are rather a bore. Croak croak...

  42. goonercolesyboy

    Jul 26, 2015, 23:39 #73206

    Website administrator. Why don't you get Mr Whitcher to organise a face to face forum with the manager, jeff, muguiresbridge, jj. Would they have the cojones to saying to his face what they say on here? I dare you to work on that one..

  43. Double Decker

    Jul 26, 2015, 23:24 #73205

    Jeff Wright, I think you have been hoisted by your own petard, non?

  44. Spike

    Jul 26, 2015, 22:46 #73204

    Jeff, you are bang on. Ferguson's success was in part based on a good crop of midfielders coming through at once, but mostly on continuously buying the best strikers after they had become the finished article elsewhere. Cantona was a bit of a gamble but Yorke, Cole, Sheringham, van Nistelrooy, Rooney, RVP were all proven goal scorers shipped in from other clubs. He tried for Shearer but luckily he hated Manure as much as the rest of us. Wenger needs to do this now but trots out this line about Manure never buying in to justify leaving himself short of that striker we need to challenge the best

  45. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jul 26, 2015, 22:15 #73203

    Hiccup, and those worshipers/super fans will have been cheering and bowing big style as he done his lap of honour today while waving that very piece of paper

  46. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jul 26, 2015, 21:48 #73202

    jw, 77274 post of the day, yes indeed all these friendlies and mickey mouse trophies (that's if they suddenly haven't become important)will mean nothing when the real business starts except to the super fans who now think we're going to do the prem and CL double.

  47. jeff wright

    Jul 26, 2015, 21:38 #73201

    the Mickey Mouse treble ... 2 cups and a plate... is looking good... the chavs are struggling and Jose is sick as a parrot over Arsene nicking Peter from him... even if he did owe Arsene one... will we hold a parade to celebrate the treble though .... come on Tonal Toad you are the expert on this you said that invariably we do hold parades to celebrate winning the FAC hold on though that can't be right ... invariable means not changing or capable of being changed; static or constant.... croak croak ... dumbwit Toads ... I'll just leave it to Arsene... he knows best...

  48. jjetplane

    Jul 26, 2015, 21:14 #73200

    And Keano too who said no to prawn sandwiches and stuck with the 99p cheeseburger. That's how you win leagues. Ask Alfie Tupper. He did with pre-fries. Talking of, we used to get free hot dogs pot match on St Thomas Rd in the 60s ..... Who the **** are Melchester Rovers/ ... here's another one: I just sitting watching Arsenal in the rain/ ....

  49. jeff wright

    Jul 26, 2015, 20:39 #73199

    Doubledecker,hindsight is a wonderful thing but 1m for any player at that time was not pea-nuts. Cantona was of course nuts but as I said he kick-started the United revival. Ferguson took a punt on him and it worked. Sometimes they do;sometimes they don't. Whatever,Ferguson paid cash for him and did not develop King Eric from with-in the United set up . Case closed(*yawn)

  50. Double Decker

    Jul 26, 2015, 20:16 #73198

    Thirteen years after the first domestic £1million transfer, Cantona was seen as a steal. Even on Manchester United's own site, it is described as one of Ferguson's greatest deals, and a folly on Leeds's part. And yes, Leeds were stitched up. £1m was peanuts. And Cantona was not a monkey.

  51. jjetplane

    Jul 26, 2015, 20:11 #73197

    Might be on for a treble before the season even starts. AKB Heaven! Lack of media interest is a tad irksome. If it was bloody the chavs or them blue moanies/moonies we would not here the end of it. Let Theo's boots do the talking. Now I'm ready for arseblog. 'Is JAMWESON rhere? I'll hang on - Arsenal/Arsenal/Arsenal - usually the 4 Seasons ... brrrrr'.

  52. Smithy

    Jul 26, 2015, 18:54 #73196

    I hope Adelaide does not get sent out on loan. Keep him around the squad and see how he develops till January. He has the ability to be a first teaser on what I have seen in 2 games. I would have him ahead of head down Akron- Adelaide seemed to have better choices and awareness at this moment. Akpom still looks way raw and we shouldn't be looking at him as our 4th choice striker at the moment- he needs to go out on loan and play championship level to see if he has it in him.

  53. jjetplane

    Jul 26, 2015, 17:03 #73195

    Flat game. Lots of rain. Nick is ON! Should have kept Sanogo - he likes this cup! Ollie would love Amsterdam! Mind you - so would Jack and that Roma GK. It's all wrapped up. Bit of a non-event today. Even Nigel sounds like he needs a siesta. Pep is off to Citeh in a season's time. Official. Will BM be in for Wenger. Not if they can get Koeman. If we could get that Bournemouth bloke. Anyway - Littlehampton - bring it on! Don't call this the Sunshine Coast for nothing. Regards to PETE - bet you got a sore head ....

  54. jeff wright

    Jul 26, 2015, 16:00 #73194

    Knownothing your keep changing your name just shows a lack of confidence in your posts and views that always contain an element of some abuse,you are a very sad person. Grow up and try to act your age you fool. Ian Wright cost 2.5m from Palace and that was considered a fortune at the time so 1m for Cantona was not pea-nuts ,by the time of your later on Platt 1995 5.5m signing things were changing regarding the cost of buying players . At the rate things are going 30m will soon look cheap,everything is relative to the time and the market value of players. My simple point that you are struggling to grasp is that Ferguson spent money on buying players to help him to win trophies ...Van Nistelrooy,Ronaldo and scores of others over the years and that the recent spending of money by Gaal is just a continuation of that scenario . Wenger is talking, as usual nonsense when he claims that United never did that , but you believe him right,so nothing new there then! You couldn't make it up.

  55. jjetplane

    Jul 26, 2015, 15:59 #73193

    Official AKB statement. Youth Cup is dead! Long live the Emirates Cup! Will Theo getting another pay rise now put us on level money pegging with the usual suspects. Spin baby Spin! Do wonder what the line would be if Arsenal were in fact competing at youth level .... Jack used to like that one. Still celebrating it! Remember Sanogo last year. It was sunny then. Good lod Ajax.

  56. Bard

    Jul 26, 2015, 15:59 #73192

    Westie; again I have no problem with what you say. He has more recently tried to develop younger players mainly because they are a cheaper option but they are not, by his definition not mine, strictly home grown. You could say he puts the icing on the cake but he doesnt bake the cake. He is very good at manipulating the truth to make it fit his narrative. Again I dont have a problem with this they all do it. What the others dont so is try to suggest the they work from a higher moral ground. Its b*******.

  57. Westlower

    Jul 26, 2015, 15:46 #73191

    @Bard, AW has always had a policy of continuing the development of players that aren't the finished article who may or may not have commenced their careers at Arsenal. Best examples being Anelka, Cesc, RVP, Theo, Ramsey & Ox. Home grown players can be traded between clubs and they don't have to stay at one club to qualify as home grown. Citeh have just bought a home grown player in Sterling having previously lost a home grown player in Milner to Liverpool. @JJ, Chelsea have an excellent youth team but as Maureen is not a fan of integrating young players into his team one can only conclude the majority of the successful youth team will not be featuring for CFC in the near future. Doubtless some will be loaned out in addition to the 29 already out on loan. In the bigger picture there is very little to be gained by winning the Youth Cup. @Jeff, Not playing any of the 8 home grown players instantly reduces the squad strength to 17 overseas players + the U21's. With our recent injury record it's not a workable option.

  58. jeffknowsnothing

    Jul 26, 2015, 15:40 #73190

    Platt cost £6.5m and others who cost more twice Cantona 1991/2 include Rocastle, Shearer, Fleck, Sheringham, Saunders, Short, Curle. Some others costing more then than Cantona did are Ripley, Waddle, Houghton, Walker, Dublin, Slater, Armstrong, Atkinson, Elliott, Wallace, Dorigo, Staunton, Thomas. There are more.

  59. jjetplane

    Jul 26, 2015, 15:11 #73189

    Theo staying for 100t plus a week. 'They can crack (sic) on with the details while I concentrate on my (low pressure) soccer game'. Now we can all sleep again. Invincibles - what did they know/ Honestly .... Put me in Aaron. Feels good to beat the chest in front of these awesome fans. Who's that old boy waving to? Look at Ollie's hair! No selfies today! Game on.

  60. jjetplane

    Jul 26, 2015, 14:09 #73188

    The business model has proved it prudent not to win the big stuff so a couple of virtual trophies and lotsa videos should keep the sheep happy. Lovely weather yesterday watching a pre-season freebie. Hat to think what that London rain is doing to Oliver's eye shadow. The Germans will be making all the noise no doubt as the 'gooner' families huddle up and the kids whimper ...... Still - a cup is a cup. Funniest thing about AKBs is they really feel a corner has been truly turned and they are double affronted with Wob miserability. Like they say - 'strike while the iron is (supposedly) hot' ... WESTIE See where you are going with the Nag theme but thought Our Father who art in the Emirates tells us Fergie's got the horses and all our top four prophet has is a heap of money circulating offshore. Any sightings of Nick today? Check the car park!

  61. Bard

    Jul 26, 2015, 14:07 #73187

    Westie, Colsyboys; I dont have a problem with your points about who we have on our books but the central point remains. Wenger is telling porkies. He may well have a philosophy of nurturing home grown talent however the facts are the facts. In the last 15 years he has nurtured 4 home grown first team players Cole Chesney, Gibbs and Wilshere. So it should read 'I have a philosophy of nurturing home grown players but have failed miserably in achieving that over the last 15 years'. However we know the comments he made had nothing to do with philosophy they were made to create a fall back position should Man U and others start beating us. If they do you will as sure as night follows day be hearing a great deal more about this philosophy and how buying success is anathema to his lordship. Its worth reminding ourselves that his greatest success, the invincibles only contained one home grown play Ashley Cole and only played because Sylvinho had passport problems.

  62. jeff wright

    Jul 26, 2015, 13:47 #73186

    Exactly Hiccup ,Wenger is getting in the excuses early doors he knows he can't win the Prem and he is not really bothered about this with 4th place being the first trophy to win. It's easier than winning first and the great thing from Stan's view is that it costs less to do so. Ayway back to real time it's the mighty Emirates Cup Final later on with Badarse and a Yank in checked trousers there to celebrate winning it and to pay homage to the great leader. The great one was a bit more cautious this year in choosing who to have in the 'tournament' rather like the actress and the bishop choosing someone to indulge in a menage a trois with them and the bishop not wanting any real stiff competition against him .

  63. jeff wright

    Jul 26, 2015, 13:30 #73185

    Westie,the home grown quota, this sounds more like vegetable produce than footballers, is another UEFA nonsense to go with the now defunct Fair Play nonsense one. Managers have to have these players in their squad but that doesn't mean they will play them. Wenger mainly uses the same players when fit for game after game,he doesn't like rotating ,same with Mourinho , so basically with a squad of 25 players to choose from it shouldn't be that difficult really to have the home grown produce on the squad sheet to make up the numbers. This rule just means that many of these players are getting paid big bucks for doing very little other than making up the numbers. There is no evidence that it is helping to make home grown players any better or increasing their prospects of playing regularly or at all in the first teams at their clubs.

  64. Hiccup

    Jul 26, 2015, 13:30 #73184

    Jeff, wenger's bull **** as you call it, is basically aimed at his worshippers, pre-empting the masses that should United overtake us this season, it will be all down to them discarding the rules of moral principles. As he waves his piece of paper with the principle rules typed on it, Chamberlain esque, the masses cheer as we shall hold strong against the evil that spreads before us in the premier league.

  65. jjetplane

    Jul 26, 2015, 13:22 #73183

    Quite simple really. Citeh and Chelski are investing massively in youth programs which as well as the money will see them dominate for the next two decades at least - bat a shock PL coup for the likes of Utd, Arsenal or Liverpool. Latter three are permanently on the back foot so youth progress is a luxury for them. Do notice WESTIE has little to say re Chelski's domination of the youth scene. Good coaching systems compliment the cash. Without boring on too much it is a fact Wenger is an economist primarily who happened on to football in a unashamed Geeky way. Nothing has changed there and the Geek blueprint has inhabited his own teams for a decade and the lack of competitive edge is blindingly obvious. The pinnacle of this philosophy reaches a zenith with the Ozil phenomena. He ticks all the Wenger boxes and is a quite unique talent. Whether he can move on from low pressure exhibits to high pressure competitiveness remains to be seen. Chelski and Citeh are now emulating the Barca academy philosophy wholesale and will reap the rewards over the coming decades. Wenger toyed with the idea as an abstraction but a perverted hubris has stagnated the action so thank **** for Coquelin who will also be in the 50m bracket with Ramsay come next year. Stan and Arsene will be happy with a model that just keeps giving without disrupting sleep patters. Watch Arteta on the plane trip to the East. That tells you everything about why this squad cannot truly compete with the best. Wenger does not understand Dirty. A big feature of the Barca way. On another note we lost 3 of our best to arch rivals and yet watches trial-lists win 4-0 against a strong side from Lewisham no less. This will be some season .... Whatever happened to Pete's post from yesterday. Hard to feel any offence when you are dealing with such a pup. AKBs hey! Funny little people ....

  66. jeff wright

    Jul 26, 2015, 13:09 #73182

    Knownothing, £1M was a lot of money for a player back then it was not pea-nuts you half-wit.

  67. Hiccup

    Jul 26, 2015, 13:02 #73181

    Headsup, Man Utd have never invested in 16 year olds like Ronaldo as you suggest. I believe he was 18 when they paid over the £12m for him. So nothing has been abandoned there, as they've never invested so heavily for a 16 year old as you suggested. Maybe I'm being a bit picky, but if we're expanding the criteria to 18 year olds, then last year's purchase of Luke Shaw surely comes under the developing player principle? Add to that Blackett, McNair, januzaj and Evans who came through the youth systems and all played first team regularly last season, I still can't see what principles United have abandoned that remain so strong at arsenal?

  68. Westlower

    Jul 26, 2015, 12:39 #73180

    @Jeff, The home grown debate is more complex than it first appears. Unless the player has been registered with the FA or Welsh FA for 36 months or 3 full seasons before their 21st birthday they are not considered as home grown. The only home grown player we have on loan is Jenks. There's not much point recalling him to fill the void created by selling JW or Theo as we have 3 right backs already. Last season our 8 home grown players were all at Arsenal 36 months before their 21st birthday. It's important the juniors coming through are likely to become first team quality or the club will be obliged to buy them in, aka Man City. I agree with your other point that players hold the whip hand if they wish to leave. Twas ever thus.

  69. jeff wright

    Jul 26, 2015, 12:12 #73179

    This nonsense from Wenger regarding United building their teams from within is a myth. United's league title revival began when Ferguson, as he was then known, bought Eric Cantona from Leeds and in those days the fee paid was not pea-nuts. You only get monkeys spending them. Cantona kick-started the United domination of the Prem under Sir Ferguson, as he later became known after doing a fortuitous treble . He also later won a league title despite posting poor results against the other two rivals for the title. No one has managed to do these wonders since,and that includes United themselves. Basically Ferguson spent big time to maintain his position at the top on players over the years such as Roy Keane from Forest , Van Horsehead , Ronaldo ,etc and others that were flops like Forlorn , but the scatter gun approach to buying did produce good results overall .Wenger is one of the biggest bullsh*tters in football a manager who these days relies on a minor top 4 place in the league and FA Cup wins to justify his 8m a year wages. Exhibition games and the meaningless Community shield are even put up to try and prove he is competing at top level. Whatever the result of the game v Chelsea is it will have no impact on what the results are over 38 games in the Prem. United won it under Moyes and look how he ended up.Deja Vu Wenger last season beating City but Pellegrini had the last laugh in the league. It's all about squad strength and quality in the league over the course of a season......... Westie I doubt if selling one English player would make any difference to our squad 'home-grown' talent quota .We already have some of these players out-on loan.My point was that if players want to go you can't stop them other than by taking a financial hit . Because if you don't let them leave while they are under contract then later later on they just depart on a free. RVP was a classic case of that scenario Stan could have forced him to stay and took a hit financially by doing so . Let's face it though this is a la la land scenario because Stan is never going to do that with a player ! If someone comes in with a 40+m bid for Sanchez when his contract is running out and Sanchez wants to leave ,he does tend to move about if not happy , then Stan will sell him and take the cash ,end of.

  70. Westlower

    Jul 26, 2015, 11:42 #73178

    To put a horse racing analogy on the home grown debate I view the situation thus. AW acquired yearlings JW, Gibbs, Coq, Martinez, Gnabry, Zelalam, Iwobi, Bellerin, Akpom, Szczesny, Hayden, Adelaide; two year old's Ramsey, Theo, Ox, Chambers, Bielik, Sanogo, Gabriel; three year olds Welbeck, Giroud, Ozil, Alexis, Koscielny, Monreal, Ospina; four year old's Cech, Debuchy, Mertesacker, Arteta, Flamini (2nd time around), Cazorla, Rosicky. It's a well balanced mix of young & mature. The three/four year old's are either the finished article or close to being as such. They tend to be the big money buys. To satisfy the 8 home grown rule, yearlings & two year old's have to progress to be first team material by their 21st birthday.

  71. goonercolesyboy

    Jul 26, 2015, 11:27 #73177

    Not sure what's dismal about having 10-12 players making their first team debuts, when if we look at other premiership teams their return is truly dismal.

  72. Bard

    Jul 26, 2015, 10:25 #73176

    Colseyboys; We are not talking about players given a game or two but those that have gone on to be first teamers. Even if we accept your inclusions, its a pretty dismal stat and a long way from his boast about nurturing home grown talent.

  73. goonercolesyboy

    Jul 26, 2015, 10:17 #73175

    If you want to get picky, Walcott joined when he was 16, Martinez only played at Independiente for two years, so has all his coached time here. Then we could add Crowley to the list as well as Willock. All given a chance to progress to the first team from youth football.

  74. Bard

    Jul 26, 2015, 9:37 #73174

    Cock up / colseyboys; this where we get all Amosian. Wenger's own definition of home grown is bringing them all the way through. Buying them at 16+ doesnt count because they are already moreorless developed. In the current first team only Wlishere and Gibbs fall into that category now Chesny has gone. If Monreal plays and Wlishere takes his customary position on the bench there are no home grown players in the 1st team. I would suggest that makes his current rant slightly deluded. Thoroughly enjoyed yesterdays jolly.

  75. Hiccup

    Jul 26, 2015, 8:18 #73173

    Thanks for clarifying the 'players within' definition colesey. So 17 year olds joining us like coquelin and Martinez are classed as 'within'? Using that criteria, then Walcott and chamberlain who also joined us at 17 must also come within the 'within' bracket? So why not include these?

  76. julesd

    Jul 26, 2015, 5:43 #73172

    BADARSE and Family, We hope you have a great day at the Emirates, give us a wave please.

  77. goonercolesyboy

    Jul 25, 2015, 23:56 #73171

    Wilshere Gibbs Akpom Iwobi Hayden Coquelin Zelalem Gnabry Martinez Bellerin. Players from within. Not difficult to understand.

  78. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jul 25, 2015, 23:41 #73170

    Bard, ah yes the Moral high ground and principles, the amount of virtual reality trophies and honors we've won for those over the years while others won and win and continue to do so the ones that mean something and you can see, and leeds still even gets a mention. You couldn't make it up.

  79. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jul 25, 2015, 23:09 #73169

    We're going to win the league, according to one fan, and that's the funniest statement of the day. And with all these super fans in attendance tomorrow, after we win, it'll be the CL now that'll be the funniest statement of the month.

  80. Hiccup

    Jul 25, 2015, 23:01 #73168

    Hi hum, there's no inconsistency from Wenger? To quote - "Man Utd built their success on players that came within. These are our values too and it is important we maintain them." Now just what players would that be? Walcott? He cost a few bob. The ox? Chambers? I suppose it depends on what you define as within? Basically players we've bought from other clubs comes in to that bracket. Pretty much the first team. It's not difficult to understand.

  81. Ho Hum

    Jul 25, 2015, 22:43 #73167

    Hiccup- Mate, surely you're not implying that our champagne socialist leader is a mite inconsistent, maybe doesn't always practice exactly what he preaches, or even, heaven forbid, a hypocrite??? Disgraceful, and I'm afraid an attitude such as that must surely preclude you from the celebrations tomorrow when The Great Man leads us to our second trophy of the season, as in the realm of the AKB, scepticism = blasphemy and must be punished. Cockup- Don't think you quite understand what is meant by 'bringing youth through'.

  82. Hiccup

    Jul 25, 2015, 21:45 #73166

    Ho hum, Wenger will stick to his principles of bringing the youth players through this season (Sanchez, giroud, ozil, koschielny, cech, Monreal, arteta, mertesacker, cazola, welbeck). At least if United win the league, we will hold the moral high ground.

  83. Ho Hum

    Jul 25, 2015, 21:12 #73165

    Seems like yet another director is desperately trying to persuade Wenger not to leave us unnecessarily short in key areas once again. But judging by Wenger's comments at the beginning and end of this week, this particular director's plea, like all the others' in previous years, is doomed to failure.

  84. goonercolesyboy

    Jul 25, 2015, 20:44 #73164

    Gold old Finsbury Shmoe, giving it large again. You wouldn't know a flat track bully if it kicked you in the head, but keep the faith mate as it is all you have to live for. As for today, it appeared that there was a noticeable higher pressing of the ball which regained possession in dangerous areas. Let's hope that tactic continues. Ozil again looked sublime and the pass for Ramsey's goal was terrific. And this was no Mickey Mouse team, finished second to PSG last year I believe. Winning is a great habit.

  85. Westlower

    Jul 25, 2015, 20:20 #73163

    @Jeff, With Szczesny going out on loan we are left with only 8 home grown players so selling one of them isn't an option. Unless we can buy a home grown replacement(s) for Jack & Wally it's not a practical solution to sell either of them. The rules of the game have changed. Citeh have bought 3 homegrown players in the past 25 days to fulfill their compliment of HG players at a cost of £100m+. Chelsea are attempting to buy the HG John Stones but understandably Everton are playing hard ball. Which HG players at other clubs would improve the Arsenal team? If they exist would their clubs sell them to AFC? Morals don't come into it, the limiting factor is the amount of money in a clubs transfer kitty. There is life beyond the transfer window, ask Leeds & Portsmouth.

  86. Smithy

    Jul 25, 2015, 19:54 #73162

    sounds like finsbury joe is a little jealous again!Always in our shadow! Yes it was a friendly but it was a good performance! I wouldn't have to much hopes for your clowns again this season joe- it will be the same as the last few decades! Yes Arsenal haven't won the quadruple but our combination play was very promising- and that is all you can ask for in pre season. A tougher game next week against chavski will be a better. Barometer !

  87. Finsbury Woe

    Jul 25, 2015, 19:48 #73161

    I couldn't get on here fast enough to leave a comment about the 6-0 result. Proper ruined my Saturday it has.

  88. Finsbury Joe

    Jul 25, 2015, 19:37 #73160

    Nothing like the most notorious flat track bullies in the game winning a meaningless practice game to get the deluded in the ranks going. Just take a look at the AKB sites, you would think they had just won the Champions League.

  89. Smithy

    Jul 25, 2015, 18:11 #73159

    Well done the lads! Good performance by all! Interesting performances the younger lads iwobi and Adelaide caught the eye!

  90. Hiccup

    Jul 25, 2015, 17:53 #73158

    Bard, this summer is turning out to be a farce. Newcastle have spent £35m to bolster their squad so far. This just isn't morally acceptable. Why should they be allowed to spend money like this? It isn't fair. The Sunderland fans must find this disgusting that the Geordies are now trying to buy their Premier League safety after last season? I'm surprised Eddie Howe of Bournemouth hasn't kicked off too about this yet?

  91. Bard

    Jul 25, 2015, 17:00 #73157

    Hiccup I for one love the moral high ground. You can look down on the others and the atmosphere is clearer, fresher and more rarified. If you get high enough, altitudewise there is no one to share the space, its utterly competition free. So in my world we have win the moral PL every year since the great one became boss. I find this comforting when Im getting slaughtered by my Chelsea mates.

  92. Hiccup

    Jul 25, 2015, 15:13 #73156

    Hi westie. My knowledge of simultaneous equations is a bit rusty these days, so apologies for not quite understanding your synopsis. From what I can remember of algebra though, there were constants and variables. I thought the answer to my question could have been given as a straight cash figure? At what level of spending are the moral principles that Wenger bangs on about, exceeded? If you need to use algebra to answer, then please solve the following equation. Let 'p' = principle. If £50m = acceptable, £80m = not acceptable, then '£50m

  93. jeff wright

    Jul 25, 2015, 14:46 #73155

    Well Westie we would have to see if a big offer for say Wally or Jack came in before it is a proven fact that we don't sell our high value players - if someone decided to take a punt on those injury plagued pair. Ozil for starters wouldn't fetch anywhere near what we paid for him .Sanchez has increased in value though and this season if he carries on where he left off ,then offers for him could appear and then it would be down to if he wants to stay or move to a club with bigger ambitions,after all he was at Barca and knows the score on that count. We have been down this path before with top players and anyone who thinks this not selling them is all over is only deluding themselves. In the end the players call the shots and not the clubs. Players with ambition don't stay at clubs with none.

  94. jjetplane

    Jul 25, 2015, 14:44 #73154

    So when is Ramsay going to Barca? Thought there was a new beat in his step. He would be a fool not to. Do we imagine Stan will pass up on 50m? Won't be till January which will maybe give Jack more games. Right - off to my 3rd match this week. The Emirates - bit like Blue Water I have heard ..... Give me one of those mid west malls any day. Suckers!

  95. Westlower

    Jul 25, 2015, 14:31 #73153

    @Hiccup, Assuming £40m is the ceiling of our transfer budget for the net value of a top top player, his wages will match the transfer fee + agents fee of £? That's a spend of £80m+. Add in Gabriels £15m transfer + wages in January and the annual spend exceeds £100m for two players. Some money will be gleaned by selling off the deadwood but this year it wouldn't amount to very much as we no longer sell off our high value players.

  96. Badarse

    Jul 25, 2015, 13:43 #73152

    He shuffled wearily across the stain-marked lino floor. His tattered Goofy slippers flopped along as if mirroring his dejected mien. His tea sploshed over the side of the cup he carried, and swilled around the saucer. He watched with a snarling countenance as the tea in the saucer dissolved the two lumps of sugar resting there. 'Bah, who needs sugar, sweetening rubbish, Saccharine Stan, lumpy pumps, yuk, sticky stuff.' He lowered himself gently into the threadbare armchair, taking care to ease himself onto the haemorrhoids cushion strategically placed there. His elbow bumped the arm of the chair spilling more tea into the saucer; it set him off cursing again-curses centred around sugar. In anger he pulled out some of the old horse hair stuffing and threw it at the telly. It stuck to his sticky fingers and remained. He held up his hand and examining the offending article begun to berate the small piece of hair dangling there. 'Think you can beat me do ya, punk?' He often slipped into a mental maelstrom of 'Al Capone speak'-it troubled many who knew him, but as it had persisted without resolution for ages it was generally dismissed as, 'He is just having one of his turns.' Still trying to shake the hair from his fingers his teacup overturned. He was still in his loose-fitting ex-army issue flapping underpants; he leapt up as the scalding tea hit him squarely in the nether regions. 'Damn Humbug Stan, Sweet Arsene, Ivan lollipop, Alan Sugar...Alan Sugar...', slowly he quietened as he found his mantra soothing and helping him settle. 'Alan Sugar', he repeated as he made his way towards the open bathroom door, walking his duck style waddle, which was a dance move he tried to pioneer in the 80s. A smile began to filter it's way across his countenance as the dampness around his crotch triggered long forgotten sensations. 'Who needs sugar?' he smirked.

  97. jeff wright

    Jul 25, 2015, 13:05 #73151

    Badarse you bought your two lumps of sugar long ago off Stan . Enjoy your Emirates Cup experience old chap.Says it all really.

  98. Badarse

    Jul 25, 2015, 12:35 #73150

    Don't look at me Hiccup, westlower is the numbers man, though Amos is Central Command Financial Advisory Number One...hang on, that's a number, perhaps he is westlower's man...does not compute, overload, does not compute, danger, red warning, overload...

  99. Hiccup

    Jul 25, 2015, 12:28 #73149

    So we have a £40m transfer kitty left for this summer? Does anyone else share my thinking that spending such a vast amount is obscene and would go against our principles? That would take us to £50m for the summer. It would be nice if someone could clarify at what point the spending 'exceeds' moral principles? According to Wenger, the £80m that United have spent is buying the league and going against valued principles. But spending £50m is acceptable, keeping on line with our valued principles. So the line drawn in the sand appears to be overstepped somewhere between the £50m and £80m. Seeing as Wenger doesn't stipulate figures, maybe the all knowing AKB's could shed some light at what point the principles and DNA is breeched? £60m? £70m? Would be nice to know.

  100. Badarse

    Jul 25, 2015, 12:00 #73148

    Where is mag when you need authentication? Post of the day to jeff wright, '...we meander along in mediocrity'. Wow, I'll have some of that mediocrity in my life then, two lumps, please.

  101. jeff wright

    Jul 25, 2015, 11:28 #73147

    Morning Westie ,Harris is a typical AFC token director who doesn't know diddy squat about football. Same applies to the marketing crew led by Ivan he made similar remarks a couple of years ago .We are still waiting for that Rooney style wages striker though. Under Stan and Wenger he will never appear. A business plan run club does exactly what it says on the tin - it is run to a business plan financially. All a rather boring really because all that happens with us is the same that happens in the good old US of A with Stan's sports clubs - we meander along in mediocrity. Asia Cup,Emirates Cup,Community Shield,FA Cup. These are our level all the talk of winning the Prem or the European Cup is just that ,talk. According to Wenger ,who is supposed to be a student of economics, albeit his maths have looked a bit iffy over the years, we have been losing money for the past 6 months. So much then for paying Stan a 2.5m bonus for providing financial advice ! Oh hum, you really could not make it up.

  102. Badarse

    Jul 25, 2015, 11:24 #73146

    Morning 24601, thank you for the cheery send off, will give the lads a shout for you-and it will be a shout, I promise. As my knee will not let me run anymore I spend my parkrun Saturday mornings as a marshall, ( Matt Dillon, remember? Chester, and was it Kate the saloon girl?), not a sheriff-(Badarsian info. that derives from a Reeve ergo Shire Reeve...sorry). I coach, encourage, chivvy along, do some silly routines and occasionally crack jokes as the runners pass, (unlike jj sometimes I am appreciated). I also get towards the finish to pull the runners home with bellowing and yelling-all that Online Gooner frustration build up is dissipated. Was told last week that a neighbour of a runner WHO plays golf across the road, beyond the tall trees, was curious so asked who the chap with the loud cheering was-fame, eh? Getting pre-match butterflies for the new season, must be the pull of the Arsenal Stadium.

  103. Westlower

    Jul 25, 2015, 8:25 #73145

    Some reality has been placed on the comment by Lord Harris that AFC have £200m in the bank. One reporter claims only 20% (£40m) is available for transfers. Although the stadium debt has been reduced, the remainder, thought to be £240m, still has to be repaid. @Badarse & Mrs Badarse & junior Badarses + Joshua Johnson, Enjoy your trip to see THE Arsenal. Joshua will put our regular JJ to shame as having a 100% better attendance record at the Emirates.

  104. Badarse

    Jul 24, 2015, 23:03 #73144

    Joshua Johnson, welcome honorary Gooner. Enjoy your visit to the Home of Football. Be looking for those checked trousers on Sunday.

  105. Badarse

    Jul 24, 2015, 19:08 #73143

    Serious amount of background and links went into this article. Thank you very much Robert-think we are lucky to have you.

  106. jeff wright

    Jul 24, 2015, 18:31 #73142

    There is a one of the usual suspects who has called West Ham supporters 'mockeneys' before on here. No prizes for guessing who it is.

  107. WENGER MUST GO ASAP(MARCUS)

    Jul 24, 2015, 17:41 #73141

    Why is someone using my name?? The post above is not mine!! Someone clearly living a boring life has decided to copy my username and TRY write like me!! Maybe it's a Wenger fan boy. You know the ones who can't debate so result to insults and trying to sarcastically write posts in another persons name oh dear,dear. The reason why Lord Harris came out with what he said is because the arsenal hierarchy our worried the FOOL yes that is a word I use a lot to describe the dinosaur Wenger that he won't spend and think he can miraculously jump from 3rd to 1st without improvements in certain areas!! Chelsea are not going anywhere man city can only get better and they had an awful season but guess what still finished second. We had fans jumping up and down last season because we finished 3rd. You could not make it up!! We had a chance to get 2nd but as usual choked! By drawing 3 home games in a row!!! AS I SAID 8 YEARS AGO WE WILL NEVER WIN THE PL AGAIN UNDER WENGER!! Again please folks go read the great article on football365 about Wenger it describes him perfectly!!

  108. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jul 24, 2015, 16:10 #73139

    Tony Pulis and Westbrom lining up a move for Diaby is it April fools day? at least they have the sense to make it a fitness related deal and not let his clubs fans be taken for mugs, (although some were quite happy to be) unlike the fool of a manager we have.

  109. Westlower

    Jul 24, 2015, 16:09 #73138

    Well done Marcus. For the first time in your life you're on the same wavelength as 'the fool' in targeting Benzema. An interview with board member Lord Harris revealed that AW gave the board a list of players to be sought. The list included a GK (Cech) & a CF. Lord Harris didn't reveal the name of the CF but the reporter suggested it's Benzema. Apparently a bid has already been rejected pending RM finding a replacement. It has all the hallmarks of a RM/AFC transfer which will probably go down to the witching hour. Only a proportion of the reported £200m sitting in Arsenals coffers would be available for transfers. The signing of Benzema would virtually wipe out half of that pot with fees & wages.

  110. Wear Your Colurs

    Jul 24, 2015, 15:07 #73135

    Will never forget that moment in DB10's testimonial when Grimandi elevated himself to absolute legend status by tripping Ex Spurs man Edgar Davids and conceding a penalty rather than let him become the first player to score at Emirates. Looking forward to seeing the boys again tomorrow. COYG!

  111. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jul 24, 2015, 15:02 #73134

    I can't imagine it was down to Pat and Stewart we were top when OGL arrived, that would have been masterminded from afar as far as some are concerned, they might have got a bit of praise at the time, but that would have been very quickly forgotten, and wasn't even remembered until you reminded us.

  112. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jul 24, 2015, 14:06 #73132

    The Emirates Cup, another Mickey mouse trophy to go with the Asian water polo one for some to cream their pants over, providing we win it of course, and we'll be ready to go.

  113. Westlower

    Jul 24, 2015, 12:54 #73128

    Arsenal have always possessed a pioneering spirit but I was surprised to learn of their European tour in May of 1907. During the tour they played Racing Club Brussels won 2-1, The Hague won 1-0, BFC Pressen, Berlin won 9-1, SP Sportorina, Prague won 7-5, Klub Slavia, Prague won 4-2, Combined Vienna Team, won 4-2, Magyaren Buda Pesth won 9-0, Buda Pesth draw 2-2. Friendly games were played during the 06/07 season with games played from 12th September (the league season started on 1st Sept) through to 14th Jan. The friendlies were against Reading, West Norwood, Oxford Univ, Clapton Orient, Cambridge Univ x2 & Celtic. Arsenal finished 7th with 44 points from 38 games in Football League Division 1 that season. Newcastle United were the Champions. Arsenal were beaten 1-3 by Sheffield Wednesday in the FA Cup semi-final & also lost 1-2 to Millwall in the Southern Charity Cup.

  114. Jason B

    Jul 24, 2015, 12:23 #73125

    Am I right in thinking that we had Yaya Toure and someone else on trial in the Amsterdam tournament and didn't sign them.

  115. Bard

    Jul 24, 2015, 12:20 #73124

    Robert many thanks for a terrific set of articles. However I do wonder whether your celebration of the past is in fact a disguise and its main purpose is to attack the present and by logical deduction is actually an attack on Wenger. It's rather like Kev's brutal assault on the great man via the ruse of describing Arseblog as a fence sitter. To my mind the club as we know it didnt exist until Arsene arrived. When he goes which now looks circa 2050 I believe we should vacate the Emirates and turn it into a shrine, a mere statue will not suffice.

  116. Alsace Lorraine

    Jul 24, 2015, 8:11 #73118

    I remember my friends going to watch Arsenal compete for the Ostwestphalen Pokal ( the equivalent of the 4th place trophy) in the darkest days of the 80's, when the most exciting thing was that Kenny Sansom had decided to grow a beard. In other news, Arsene Wenger announces that he will be carrying on for another 10,000 years and will still be managing thereafter, from the great beyond. Deep and abiding joy. Meanwhile, United invest in their midfield core strength, which of course is likely to be decisive. Fortunately for all of us AMG's, Kenny Sansom says that he can be persuaded to grow another beard, so life isn't all bad.

  117. GuunerJevff

    Jul 24, 2015, 1:42 #73115

    Why haven't you included the annual training camp out in Austria, many players including sol Campbell made there debut playing pre season friendlies in Austria.

  118. GoonerB

    Jul 24, 2015, 1:30 #73114

    Tony Adams testimonial pre season v palace, Highbury 13,000 Ian Wright called it a disgrace! The old bill put a block on Celtic being the opposition. Most boring pre season game at Highbury was v Inter 0-0 95 .