#FlashbackFriday – Crystal Palace Away

Part 2 of a look back at past visits to this weekend’s opponents



#FlashbackFriday – Crystal Palace Away

Ian Wright – Needed a bigger stage


Arsenal, of course, have great reason for remembering the late spring/early summer period of 1989. On May 26th 1989 they famously sealed the title at Anfield. For Palace however, a pivotal moment for them came a week later. Now managed by former Manchester United winger Steve Coppell since his retirement from playing in 1984 due to a serious Knee injury at the age of just twenty nine (and a name frequently thrown up as a potential successor to the under-performing Alex Ferguson), Palace went into the Second Leg of the Second Division play-off final (the last season it would be played over two legs rather than at Wembley) 1-3 down to a pre-Jack Walker incarnation of Blackburn Rovers who would actually reach the play off stage three times over four years.

Palace however would book their place back to the top flight after an eight year absence with a 3-0 win at Selhurst Park with two goals from Ian Wright and penalty won on the back of a foul on a moustachioed ‘Steady’ Eddie McGoldrick. Oddly enough however, despite Palace’s absence from the top flight Selhurst Park was still a regular away destination for Arsenal from 1986/87 onwards due to the fact that Charlton Athletic had been evicted from The Valley and forced to ground share with Crystal Palace in September 1985 – a move which brought much in the way of protest from the Charlton fans.

The idea of two sides sharing a ground seemed to have perplexed the TV pundits, as seen here from this Football Focus piece from 1986. Luckily Charlton’s promotion at the end of that season meant that the pundits wouldn’t be ‘confused’ at away teams playing at home for much longer. Palace’s return to the top flight while Charlton remained there for one last season however, brought another round of TV pundits pretending to be bemused that an away team could be playing at home – this time Saint and Greavsie @13.39 (with a great Paul Merson chip against Coventry also featured in this episode too). Palace however would struggle early on during their first season back, famously losing 9-0 to Liverpool at Anfield.

Further trouble hit the Eagles when Ian Wright would be lost to injury until the following May, however on making Nigel Martyn the first £1 million goalkeeper, signing him from Bristol Rovers, Palace managed to turn their season around and even achieved revenge on Liverpool with this excellent 4-3 win in the 1990 FA Cup Semi Final at Villa Park, the winning goal coming from the familiar face of Palace’s current boss Alan Pardew. The following week, Arsenal played Palace at Selhurst Park, a match which ended in a 1-1 draw with Arsenal’s goal coming from Martin Hayes. That year, Palace would go on to play Manchester United in the final. Their Cup Final song was the Palace squad performing a cover version of the Dave Clark Five’s 1964 hit ‘Glad All Over’ (apparently the Palace fans have adopted it since it was originally a hit the 1960s)

The Final was almost as exciting as the Semi and would turn on the introduction of Ian Wright as a substitute in what was his first game back after a long layoff due to injury. That final would be the last great Cup Final for quite a few years, even the replay which United won 1-0 (and saved Alex Ferguson’s job) turn out as a bit of a damp squib with the only thing of note being Les Sealy’s shock call up at the expense of Jim Leighton in the United goal. The following season turned out to be a good one for both Arsenal and Palace, with Arsenal winning the title losing just one game, while Palace achieved their highest ever finish, coming third in the league. The match between the two sides at Selhurst Park in November 1990 however ended in a 0-0 draw.

Palace though did Arsenal a huge favour in the title race after the Gunners were deducted two points for a brawl at Old Trafford. The Eagles beat top of the table Liverpool 1-0 just a few days after Christmas of 1990 (this game was shown live on ITV with an early co-commentating outing for Gary Lineker, seemingly full of praise for Ian Wright). The following season, Arsenal finally got an away victory over Palace for the first time since 1972 with a 4-1 avalanche featuring goals from Michael Thomas (his last for Arsenal), Alan Smith and two for Kevin Campbell. With the forwards featuring heavily among the goals, plus Andy Cole coming through the ranks it was strange to find Arsenal were in the market for a new striker, however Palace’s Ian Wright came to Arsenal later that month for a fee of £2.5 million.

According to Jon Spurling’s ‘Highbury: The Story of Arsenal in N5’ it wasn’t George Graham who bought Ian Wright but David Dein during a telephone conversation with Crystal Palace chairman Ron Noades. The Palace chairman had caused great controversy around the same period by remarking that: ‘the black players at this club lend the side a lot of skill and flair, but you also need white players in there to balance things up and give the team some brains and some common sense’. Wright oddly enough never cited this as a reason for leaving Palace and even claimed that Noades was: ‘the best football boss I'd ever worked with’, giving his official reason for leaving Selhurst Park as he was: ‘born for the really big occasions – Arsenal gave me that stage’.

It was ultimately a self-fulfilling prophecy for Ian Wright, who went on to bigger things with Arsenal, while Palace were relegated at the end of their first full season without him. On his return to Selhurst Park, Wright scored Arsenal’s winner in a 2-1 victory for the Gunners. This fixture was one of the earliest live Monday night Premiership games on Sky Sports, with the full razzamatazz of the Sky Sports cheerleaders dancing to ‘Do you Wanna Be in My Gang’ by Gary Glitter (back in those naïve days when nobody thought to ask what sort of gang Gary was actually the leader of exactly!). Ian Wright secured the points with a second half winning goal.

Before Palace’s relegation at the end of that season there was a further 3-1 victory for Arsenal in the first leg of the Coca-Cola Cup Semi Final at Selhurst Park, with another goal from Ian Wright and two for Alan Smith. By the next time Arsenal came to Selhurst Park, Alan Smith (not that one) was now the Crystal Palace manager and talking here of the post-Premiership financial realities on a piece for News at Ten. Arsenal’s visit to Selhurst Park in late February 1995 (just days after the sacking of George Graham) ended in a 3-0 win for Arsenal with goals from Paul Merson and two for Chris Kiwomya, who Graham had recently signed but didn’t stay in the job long enough to see him play.

Palace finished the season fourth from bottom, but were relegated as a result of the Premiership being reduced from twenty two sides to just twenty. Crystal Palace had returned to the Premiership in 1997/98, drawing with Arsenal 0-0 at Selhurst Park that season in the league in mid-October. This had been the start of a run of games where Arsenal would fail to win six of their following eight games. The run was to end at Selhurst Park, where now Wimbledon had been tenants since Charlton moved back to the Valley in 1992. However this would be due to the match being abandoned due to floodlight failure. A spate of similar floodlight failures at London grounds around the same period aroused suspicions and further investigations led to a conviction for sabotage involving a Far East betting syndicate in August 1999.

From hereafter however, Arsenal would not lose another league match until the title was secured the following May. They would also visit Selhurst Park again in the fifth round of the FA Cup that season, seeing off Palace with a 2-1 victory with goals from Anelka and Bergkamp on their way to the Premiership and FA Cup Double. Palace however would finish the season rock bottom and relegated back to the Football League. It would be another seven years before they returned in 2004/05. Just two weeks after Arsenal’s forty nine match unbeaten run ended Palace held Arsenal to a 1-1 draw at Selhurst Park. It would be nearly nine years before an Arsenal return to Selhurst Park in October 2013, Arsenal winning 2-0 with goals from Mikel Arteta and Olivier Giroud.

For Crystal Palace however, they remained in the Premiership finishing eleventh in the table, Arsenal’s visit to Palace the following season resulting in a 2-1 win for Arsenal with goals for Santi Carzola and Olivier Giroud. For Palace, this is now their longest spell in the top flight since the early 1990s and their longest of the Premiership era. Selhurst Park however remains a happy hunting ground for Arsenal. Crystal Palace have failed to take all three points at home to Arsenal at home since 1979, however Alan Pardew has revitalised Palace since taking over last January and has managed a few victories over Wenger down the years. Palace’s form last year however hasn’t the only miraculous turn around as far as Pardew is concerned.

In 2006, Pardew had complained of Wenger’s lack of English presence within the Arsenal side, however last year hailed Wenger as greater than Mourinho and said that Arsenal should rename their Stadium after him. Well, as divisive a figure as Arsene now is with the Arsenal fans, surely naming a stadium after him can’t be much worse than naming it after a sponsor… can it? (tin hats on standby).

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  1. Nick

    Aug 17, 2015, 10:48 #74297

    Thank you Westflower, my point has been proven, reading through some of the posts on here, the sniping, petty sarcasm,and indulgent bull**** written by some,is NOT what a site designed for discourse and debate on football was meant for I'm sure, it's more like a forum for those suffering with PMT , damm i guess by posting this I'm as bad as they are , but i had to get it off my chest, as for the argument about the relative sharpness of the two teams at the Emirates, West Ham were sharper due to more competitive games it showed as they were first to every challenge and every second ball, having said that our attitude stank, how many times do these players need to be told NOT to underestimate anybody or take a result for granted ?

  2. mbg

    Aug 16, 2015, 17:54 #74275

    Bard, fixing the wrong leg? that would be about right, was one of them a lady doctor? did OGL sack them like Maureen did, maybe they weren't working on poor diaby at all over the years (that would explain a lot)only someone that looks like him giving him all the attention in the world, with diaby lying on the next bed being ignored and wondering what was going on, to think he could have been our saviour after all.

  3. Westlower

    Aug 15, 2015, 20:30 #74245

    @Hiccup, Maybe West Ham found it's more difficult playing on the front foot than parking the bus.

  4. Hiccup

    Aug 15, 2015, 17:01 #74238

    Will be interesting to know what the difference between West Ham and Leicester's preparation caused West Ham to lose today? Let me guess, West Ham are burnt out from all those hard competitive games in Andorra and Malta, but yet they were fresh as daisies last Sunday?

  5. jjetplane

    Aug 15, 2015, 16:44 #74236

    Hardly good prep for the Palace game when you are still bleating about the loss to West Ham. Who would have thought Arsene FC would be 6 points off leaders Man Utd? & they are rubbish ....

  6. Westlower

    Aug 15, 2015, 15:41 #74232

    @Cyril, The difference between the two clubs playing Euro qualifiers was that West Ham gave their first team a 10 day break before playing at the Emirates, albeit surrendering Euro qualification in the process. Their first team played 5 qualifying games through July before being rested and freshened up for the Arsenal game. A good piece of management by Bilic as long as the club are happy to be out of Europe. Because of the importance of ECL qualification to Arsenal sending a reserve side for the away leg to such as Besiktas & Napoli was never a feasible option. Also games in the Europa Cup qualifiers are less demanding than ECL qualifiers. Further to Roberts excellent history lesson v Crystal Palace the Arsenal team that lost to Palace in 1979 was: Jennings, Devine, Talbot, O'Leary, Young, Nelson, Brady, Gatting, Stapleton, Price, Rix.

  7. Cyril

    Aug 15, 2015, 15:02 #74231

    Some good points on Wenger speek. Last week he said that we were a little short on match fitness as hammers played 6 competitive games, yet when we have to play the extra games in champs league qualifier it explains why we get off to a bad start in the league - ummm!

  8. Highbury Fields Forever

    Aug 15, 2015, 13:44 #74225

    This article isn't everyone's cup of tea. Although, to those who it isn't, they tend to want every article on the site debating Wenger endless and judging by the average rating of 10/10, they're probably too thick to know how to click a button!

  9. Hiccup

    Aug 15, 2015, 11:30 #74224

    No Tony, private sector, just like the arsenal players. If Carlsberg did jobs...

  10. Tony Evans

    Aug 15, 2015, 8:39 #74220

    Hiccup - you must be in local government, like me!

  11. Bard

    Aug 14, 2015, 21:50 #74219

    Dear all, the rehab is going well although we had a minor hiccup ( excuse the pun) in that the medical team were fixing the wrong leg. The boss was furious but I countered with some indignation, how was I supposed to know my left from my right, Im only a footballer. Anyway the upshot of the whole mess is that Im off to Dubai for some really special rehab. Its a minor mishap and I will only be out for an extra 7 weeks or so.But the really funny story is I was having a pedicure when I pulled my party stunt of putting a pencil in one ear and pulling it out the other. The therapist gasped but Danny and Jack pissed themselves. Half the 1st team can do the same thing which probably explains why we keep losing the plot in games. The boss goes on and on about this and that but no one has a clue what he's on about. Bouldy thinks we are brainless but I find that a tad offensive, I cant be that stupid as I earn more in a week than Bouldy earned in his whole career. Anyway I have to go and pack, see you in the new year.

  12. jjetplane

    Aug 14, 2015, 20:30 #74218

    Looks like Utd are on for 6 points but the season should start in all earnest in October. Once the calendar year kicks in we should be 'good to go' as the Europa beckons and Leicester and Stoke refuse to let up. I remember standing on the north bank when we caned palace under GG. Thought Weighty was the best player on the pitch though he lost. Never stopped running or trying. Wenger never really liked him, preferring his own constructs like Giroud. Love how armchair fans like WESTIe denigate the grass roots game. You really are not fit to be a football fan. Thinking of all the youngsters throughout the land playing at local clubs/academies. Where would football be without them. Thought you knew the game ...

  13. Hiccup

    Aug 14, 2015, 19:09 #74217

    Tony, you clearly have never managed in any genre judging by your post. At the company where I work, I've been tossing it off for a few weeks. Going in late, having extended lunch breaks, reading the online Gooner all day and then clearing off home early. Really taking the p!ss. My boss has twigged on, and told me that I have to refocus and look to improve. As I walked off, I p!ssed myself laughing. Weak as ****. A few weeks later as I continued to take the p!ss, he reiterated that I must look to improve. And let me tell you from the other side of the fence as an employee, it certainly is a prerequisite to be told repeatedly, to start doing my job properly. It's kept me onside for sure. Knowing these meaningless statements carry no weight whatsoever, I haven't changed a thing. Now a good bollocking and threatened with being sacked would probably force me to up my game, but until that sh!t happens, and it ain't likely, I'll continue to stroll about and pick up my wages. Here endeth my lesson.

  14. Arseneknewbest

    Aug 14, 2015, 18:45 #74216

    MBG - 78365. Nice one mate, and thanks for the memories. It was indeed ebeneezer goode that the shamen played (or lip-synched) that night. It was halfway through a defeat of man city in 1992, and the clock end was jumping. I was still off my head on disco-biscuits from the fri/sat/sun, and despite putting in a full day's work in the corridors of power during Monday, the beat was banging again at the home of football. Check the official video of that track again - it guest stars the great Jerry Sadowitz who still plays London dates every december. One of our finest ever comedians. naughty, naughty, very naughty...

  15. jjetplane

    Aug 14, 2015, 17:56 #74214

    Yep really creepy that one. Good posts BARD & TOnY EVANS but he gives not a toss as he is already writing the next one. So dull and reminds me of Tony Blair. Just outside but well within the Right. What a place to be ....

  16. Exeter Gunner

    Aug 14, 2015, 17:10 #74213

    Ron's 'comeover'?? I think the obsession has gone a bit too far now...

  17. Question

    Aug 14, 2015, 16:56 #74212

    Badarse you seek more attention than my 6 year old, and as usual after the first few words my eyes glaze over and I move swiftly on to the next post. Surely you have an allotment that needs attending?

  18. mbg

    Aug 14, 2015, 16:51 #74211

    Tony Evans, double figures? i'd say it's way more than that, and some on here have the gall to accuse others of repeating things, I agree we'll see a response on Sunday even if the players have to take it upon themselves, and the AKB's will get a chance to show their expertise at bouncebackability (they've had plenty of practice) and we'll hear the crowing again how we're off, and up and running from those who we haven't heard from before, and those who have been hiding and of course the residents, we'll hear how last week was only a blip and forgotten about, wally will have found his voice again also and be mouthing off talking a good game, OGL will be talking about great speeritt and everything will be rosy in the garden of arsene again, until of course the next embarrassment and they're all brought back down to earth again with a sore arse, which of course we all know will happen and is just around the corner. And indeed there will be those still here not hiding who won't let them forget and will be reminding them of just that.

  19. Pat

    Aug 14, 2015, 16:39 #74210

    Astonishingly unfunny, boring and tedious tripe 0/10

  20. Badarse

    Aug 14, 2015, 16:36 #74209

    Well Tony Evans, I understand the deja vu bit, it's commonplace on this site so am well accustomed to it. Still, here's a different slant. A life's 'truism' is a mirage. People don't often learn. Babies learn not to put their fingers in the fire because it's 'burny', but that isn't the same thing, is it? A woman who is beaten by a man in a relationship, often finds herself being beaten by another in the next. The tubby person loses weight, then piles on the pounds again. 'Never again!' after a drunken binge, but come Saturday night all is forgotten, and so on. A definition of being in hell is this repetitive scenario, so perhaps we are in limbo just getting used to all that will be repeated timelessly. Possibly we all died on our way to the stadium, (except jj, he fell off the pier), and none of us have yet realised we are dead. Oo look, Ron's comeover is standing up on end!

  21. Badarse

    Aug 14, 2015, 16:14 #74208

    Ah, cod philosophy and chips. I remember going up the chippy,(chips cost tuppence-old pence, so less than a penny). Would ask for a 'healthy' bag of crackling for free-fishmonger would scrape out the curled bits of crispy, sometimes burnt batter, and chip fragments and drop them into a bag for me, before sneezing and cuffing it. If we were flush I'd be allowed a pickled onion or wow, occasionally a gherkin. Would be wrapped, then wrapped again in old newspapers-bonus if it was wrapped in a 'Pink Classified, with footie reports to read. My Dad would say, 'Get me a nice piece of cod, lad.' (See he was from Yorkshire), but my Mum was a rock or rig person, (It was just rock and rig to me...back then-Little Richard, Fats Domino, and dear old Nat King Colesyboy), but always asked for it by it's supposed full name, 'I'd like a nice bit of rock salmon, please son.' Lashings of vinegar, heaps of salt, (yuk to that now-and where was the cracked black pepper?) Then scarper home, (Ah, the Scarperer, Behan). Jumper front greasy where it had seeped through the paper, but nice and warm but a bit steamy and fishy smelling as I cradled it home. Then sit cross-legged on the floor, cold lino on bare legs, beside the radio listening to Dan Dare as I scoffed, eyes in potatoes were swallowed too, ('to keep a look out to see where they were going on the way down'). Sucking fingers after all was eaten and drinking the vinegar collected in the bottom of the little chip bag-ooh, going all squinty-eyed. In the days when a cod was longer than a man's arm and a potato was bigger than a football-one of those statements is true-I can give you a clue, potatoes have been overfished. Never open Monday nights-'Not Frying Tonight' sign on door. Quick, down the Pease pudding shop, for a saveloy, faggot and dollop of pease pudding, with thick gravy poured over the lot. Gone!

  22. Bard

    Aug 14, 2015, 16:09 #74207

    Tony Evans; you make a good point. We are the kings of 'bouncebackability' as Ray Parlour would say. But the central question remains either they are too stupid/talentless to understand what Wenger wants from them or he isnt getting through to them. Its one or the other. Whatever it is its systemic and you cant win any meaningful team games if you have these sorts of problems. As they have been evident for some years now the question of whether Wenger can sort them out is obvious.

  23. Tony Evans

    Aug 14, 2015, 15:40 #74206

    Badarse - I hear what you are saying but knowing most of the crap we hear spouted is merely tub-thumping doesn't make it any easier when yet another 'accident' happens. One of life's truisms is that you learn from your mistakes but Wenger and his Arsenal team don't and that is what frustrates so many on this site.

  24. Exeter Gunner

    Aug 14, 2015, 15:27 #74205

    Tony, I think Badarse is right that those words are just sound bites after the fact for onlookers, however that doesn't alter the central fact that the thing itself keeps happening. There is something endemic going on there that needs action taken against it within the club, not 'there's nothing to be done, it's the nature of things' cod-philosophising.

  25. Badarse

    Aug 14, 2015, 15:08 #74204

    Tony Evans if you've ever managed, whether in football or another genre, it is a prerequisite to keep the troops or workforce onside in any way possible. They are sound bites to onlookers and for that carry no weight whatsoever for them. However it is what players, and all fashion of team members need to hear-and repeatedly. Life is full of defeats, with occasional victories when all the tumblers click into place, I, you, the players know this, but we still need to retreat, repair and reinvigorate. That is vital, because we have to go again, and again, and again. I take myself outside the rhetorical and hype served up as reality. Look around it's everywhere, as common as muck with the posters on here. Just see it for what it is and move on-don't get stuck in a moment.

  26. Tony Evans

    Aug 14, 2015, 14:52 #74203

    I wonder how many times I have read comments, from Wenger and the players alike, along the lines of 'we must learn from that', 'or we must respond next match'. Must be well into double figures by now so is it any wonder so many of us on this site have stopped believing. Even if we do see a response you don't usually have to wait very long (unless the pressure is off, or there is nothing to play for) until the little pampered treasures lapse back into their comfort zones again. Then the vicious circle starts all over again and we get another dose of 'we must......'! So I reckon we will see a response on Sunday, but don't be surprised if it is a short-lived one and therein lies the problem - no consistency = no title.

  27. Bard

    Aug 14, 2015, 14:45 #74202

    Robert mate they are coming thick and fast. It must be a full time job. Whatever, always good to read. I think you will find that Pardew's comments about naming the stadium after Wenger was tongue in cheek. As you know Im for turning it into a shrine when he retires. The faithful can pitch up every week and watch old videos of the boss in full flow. @nick you obviously dont read whats on the site very often. There is a bit of banter and a few insults thrown around true but there is plenty of football chat about players, systems and Wenger. Its a passionate game and those on here feel passionately about Arsenal of course its going to get heated from time to time. I wouldnt want it any other way. Here's a thought. Thanks goodness for Roberts sterling efforts. They are entertaining but also keep most of us onside because there hasnt been a single article posted by the AKBs in the last few months even the ever hopefully Simon Rose has been quiet. That doesnt suggest a great deal of optimism to me.

  28. Exeter Gunner

    Aug 14, 2015, 14:43 #74201

    I prefer U2's early work.

  29. mbg

    Aug 14, 2015, 14:34 #74200

    Robert, i'm sure that's made your day.

  30. Badarse

    Aug 14, 2015, 14:24 #74199

    I'm not afraid of anything in this world. There's nothing you can throw at me, that I haven't already heard. I'm just trying to find a decent melody. A song that I can sing in my own company. I never thought you were a fool, but guys look at you. You got to stand up straight-carry your own weight. These tears are going nowhere fellas. You've got to get yourself together, you've got stuck in a moment and now you can't get out of it. Don't say that later will be better, you've got stuck in a moment and you can't get out of it. And you are such fools, to worry like you do. I know it's tough, and you can never get enough of what you don't really need now. My, oh my. You've got to get yourself together, you've got stuck in a moment and you can't get out of it.

  31. Exeter Gunner

    Aug 14, 2015, 14:15 #74196

    Badarse - how do you slow down further from one finger typing? Are you now using your nose?

  32. Badarse

    Aug 14, 2015, 14:09 #74194

    Thank you once more Robert, an absolutely wonderful set of articles, (should be sold in 'Box Set' format in the Armoury. Will type this slowly for the dinosaurs amongst us, the rest just read at normal speed. Remember this man's name next time you vote in the Online Gooner season's votes. Not just Robert, but we are really lucky to have him and others of his ilk writing for the Gooner. Now back to your custard pie throwing my little yolkers. Arsene Stadium! Sounds pretty good to me.

  33. jjetplane

    Aug 14, 2015, 13:45 #74193

    EG you must also remember that WEStiE perversely only supports Arsene FC on here. Never goes to the Emirates or has the remotest intention. Sure Arsenal need his 'undying support.' As am seeing Arsenal twice in the coming months that is two more than him ....

  34. jeff wright

    Aug 14, 2015, 13:44 #74192

    Ron that new Chelsea stadium could be from a football perspective 10 years too late ;from a property speculator one though a big profit maker. Roman is spending more of his own cash on having a new indoor swimming pool put in at his London mansion than he is on signing any new players for Jose . The Portugeezer looks well miffed at the way things are going and if he doesn't get at least a draw on Sunday things could get even bleaker. The Arabs at Poundlands look like they are in for the long-haul,I'm not convinced that old Stan is though, but he will want a good profit for himself before he sells his shares. With Wenger saying that the club lost money over the past 6 months it looks like some book balancing will be in order.Stan will not want a bad result on Sunday that will force him into another Ozil /Danny Boy late panic buy to appease disgruntled supporters with .Let's face it he will never see any profit made on those pair . It really is all about profits with Stan . Wenger was trying to keep Sanchez in reserve to use for an ace in the hole if things went pear-shaped,but was forced by desperation to bring him on against the Hammers so he will be hoping that Sanchez if required to do something special in Sunday's tete a tete can do so. It is however looking once again that the Chilean will have to carry the team on his back all season with no other obvious stand-out player in the squad - I can see another Arshavin type scenario coming with him because already he must have sussed out that 'fings' ain't wot they should be with Jack and co.As Mad Mario once said,why always me. Speaking of that clown the situation at Liverpool with him is that he must under the terms of his contract receive a big 'loyalty bonus' on top of his 80k a week wages ! Jordan is right the game is heading toward disaster with this sort of nonsense. Something needs sorting out .

  35. Ron

    Aug 14, 2015, 13:38 #74191

    EG - Have no fear, Westlowers seat is top class and free. 8 feet from his Sky Plus box in his lounge. This i suspect is common to those on here who sing the plaudits of Wenger and the team.

  36. Peter Wain

    Aug 14, 2015, 13:28 #74189

    the way we played last week a draw would be a good result.

  37. A Cornish Gooner

    Aug 14, 2015, 13:03 #74186

    Westie. Are you talking about AKBs?

  38. Exeter Gunner

    Aug 14, 2015, 13:00 #74185

    Those mugs who watch 9th tier football eh, paying a couple of quid on the day to sit or stand where they like and have a laugh. Not like those canny souls who shell out close to a ton a couple of months in advance to sit in comfy seats far from the pitch taking selfies and politely applauding.

  39. mbg

    Aug 14, 2015, 12:52 #74184

    Robert, I seem to remember an earlier appearance from the Sky cheer leaders (or indeed it could have been later)at Highbury i think it was strutting their stuff to Ebennezzer good from the Arsenal supporting Shamen (spelling)little did we realise at the time we'd have our own Ebnnezzer scrooge telling everybody he's a good.

  40. mbg

    Aug 14, 2015, 12:39 #74183

    Some nice memories revived again Robert, although i'm sure a great many don't even know about 89 and it even happened and don't even want to know, and if they did they'd probably think/believe wenger was responsible.

  41. Westlower

    Aug 14, 2015, 11:33 #74177

    Well said Nick. Some of the regular boring tits need a good kick 'Up The Arse' as they've got themselves stuck in a rut of mediocrity with their endless repeats & stale outdated thinking. Dinosaurs aren't extinct, they're here posting on the Gooner & while watching 9th tier football somewhere in the deep south.

  42. Nick

    Aug 14, 2015, 10:38 #74174

    It will be a tough game vs Palace and if our players aren't collectively up for it we will lose, the much vaunted " mental strength" Wenger harps on about is an elusive and fey beast at our club , there in spades on odd occasions but totally missing on many others, Manure won their last title under old red face with a team of dubious quality but full of the never say die attitude and work rate that the tryant Fergie demanded, supplemented by the goals of the ungrateful and treacherous RVP, it proves that titles are won just as much with work ethic as with skill. Alexis should be held up by Wenger as the benchmark for the rest of the squad to aspire to, he may not be brilliant in every game but even when he has a mare he never stops WORKING and more important TRYING. I think we need at least one signing probably two or three to make us genuine title prospects but I don't think Wenger will buy anyone, he is too stubborn for that and will yet again gamble on the fitness of the personnel he has, if he is capable of instilling the right attitude in our current side he may yet surprise me and really challenge, the question is CAN he instill that attitude ? Sorry to talk about football on here I realized its a very close clique that prefers to talk about anything and everything but football, and insult fellow posters, my apologies for crashing your exclusive club .

  43. jeff wright

    Aug 14, 2015, 10:27 #74172

    I was at that game when the floodlights went out at Palace, the betting syndicate who did the deed were probably pals of Westies! They Obviously did not have the game down for a home win, because that was what it would have been on the night. It was not just London grounds that were targeted though a game at Derby was also sabotaged . Let's hope we don't need any such antics on Sunday to help us out then.

  44. Wear Your Colours

    Aug 14, 2015, 9:46 #74167

    There are some good highlights there Rob. Martin Hayes looking like a chief poacher; 'Souper' Kev drilling a couple of grubbers home and Mickey T doing a few disco steps after netting. Lets's hope we'll be dancing with joy again on Sunday afternoon. COYG!