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Online Ed: Gunners disappoint in goalless home draw with Liverpool



I Don’t Like Mondays

Ramsey: Fine goal cruelly denied


A strange game, and not one that will encourage much belief that Arsenal do now have what it takes to mount a serious title challenge. Dominated by Liverpool in the first half, the Gunners were still robbed of a perfectly good opening goal by a bad offside call against Aaron Ramsey, in one of the few good moves the side put together before the interval.

The visitors, in the meantime, did everything but score, with the home side’s two reserve centre backs struggling. Calum Chambers, especially, looked very suspect. Was there an argument to put Mikel Arteta alongside Francis Coquelin and drop one of the more attacking players? Was there an argument to have better defensive midfield options in the squad period?

Petr Cech at least showed why there was such a buzz when his signing was secured in the summer, pulling off some good saves. Liverpool also hit the woodwork and could have been three or four up by half time.

At least Arsenal responded in the second half, and dominated the game in the way their opponents had before it. Some good football, although not as many clear cut chances as Brendan Rodgers’ side had enjoyed. His team did still threaten on the break more than once, and hit the woodwork a second time for good measure.

Arsene Wenger’s team were guilty of a lot of sloppy play in their own half, a trait that does not seem near to being eradicated. What Liverpool demonstrated, even at this early stage of the season, is that the battle for the top four this season may be a tougher one than last time out. Never mind a title challenge, on current form, the Gunners may be looking at Europa, rather than Champions League in the final season of the manager’s current deal. How ignominious would that be?

What Arsenal 2015/16 have demonstrated so far is that they are the masters of inconsistency, that they may struggle to achieve enough results when games are not going well for them, and that a lot of old weaknesses still exist.

Particularly alarming was how porous they seemed at the back. Would it have been any different if one of Mertesacker or Koscielny were starting? You would have to hope so. Would it have been a different game if Ramsey’s ‘offside’ goal had stood?

Arsenal, with four points from nine, need to put together a run starting with Newcastle next weekend. If not, there is a danger that Manchester City might be too far over the horizon, as Chelsea were a year ago, before the Gunners get their act together.

The hope that flickered after a fine win at Selhurst Park has not lasted long. Time to splash a bit of cash to re-invigorate the side? The money is certainly there to do it, but is there the will? The hope that flickered after a fine win at Selhurst Park has not lasted long. Time to splash a bit of cash to re-invigorate the side? The money is certainly there to do it, but is there the will? If you fancy a flutter on next weekend’s Arsenal game against Newcastle, you can pick up a £40 free Betway bonus - click on the link for full details.

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  1. Badarse

    Aug 27, 2015, 18:23 #74802

    Thanks for that nugget 24601-Barney still out in front, without the use of the whip! Just a point, Murdoch came here recognising that the wedge of society he appealed to in Australia existed here in the UK, hence the Sun etc. Boobs were not uplifting, they dumbed down-boobs on Page 3, political seduction on Page 2. He also had a big slice of Manchester United along with his ownership of Sky. He had to finally sell his football shares, I think due to conflict of interests, or some other technical inducement. That didn't stop him overseeing phone hacking, nor placing a sleeper in Number 10, in the odious shape of Coulson-who just happened to be the pal of Cameron. The easiest way to disguise a conspiracy is make it fairly obvious and give muppets the chance to tear down anyone offering resistance as a 'hippie'. I remember pointing out years ago that ads for CL games showed a great goal by MU and a save by the Arsenal keeper. Subtle but effective. Welcome to reality. Agendas? GN vehemently dislikes the blue half of the city, Liverpool-he was booked for bringing game into disrepute at Anfield and despises them, CFC as they have eased MU out of the frame. My enemies enemy is my friend? Today a MU fan was griping to me that CFC have bought another player-they just don't get it-do you?

  2. jjetplane

    Aug 27, 2015, 17:03 #74798

    Then of course there is Messi and Ronaldo who average a century of goals a season. CLOCKERSON you are still giving the same stuff as last season. How has the big blue shed stood up to the weather? and has the barmaid being deported yet! Onwards to closing time ....

  3. mbg

    Aug 27, 2015, 15:17 #74793

    An excellent column in mirror sport today by Brian Reade I think he is ref King Henry being completely out of his depth on Sky sports, being smacked down by Gary and Jamie at every turn trying to defend Lord wenger, saying exactly the same as the vast majority on here, well worth a read.

  4. Charlie George Orwell

    Aug 27, 2015, 13:45 #74786

    Strongly suspect that there are some behind the scenes shenanigans going on at Murdoch Towers between Sky and Man Utd. In 2013, Man Utd Commercial Director said 'Sky has been an active and highly valued partner...we will continue to have a close relationship with Sky in the future'. There is also the fact that in EVERY match covered by Sky, 'Manchester United' is mentioned every 10 minutes - a link will be manufactured or found, however tenuous.

  5. mbg

    Aug 27, 2015, 12:58 #74782

    John Gage, I agree of course he wasn't he was telling it as it is just like any good journo and in this case football pundit should, and I've no doubt Henry saw and thought the same but for reasons I've already underlined couldn't, but we all know what happens when Lord arsene and anything he does or say is called into question even if it's blindly obvious, his disciples (what's left of them)try and defend him. Sad.

  6. Mark from aylesbury

    Aug 27, 2015, 11:20 #74776

    Clockender - let me get this straight the opponents don't worry you? Those mere trifling reverses 8-2 , 6-0 , 5-1''s just little bumps along the way? Very good very good. Let's hope those superstars of ours overrun in midfield , battered in defence , toothless in attack will march on to victory after victory

  7. Ron

    Aug 27, 2015, 11:18 #74775

    EG - I Think theres a big meeting on today. Its looking highly likely that the Cpataincy is being handed over by Westlower. He seemed to lose the plot yesterday but credit due, hes carried the weight of leadership for some years and cracked by the looks of it. The mystery is, who'll come in? They appear to have nobody. Im guessing they ll go for a short term appt and ask Badarse to step in while Westlower has respite leave. Im not sure they have a safe pair of hands though. Central Command is in a mess and badly short of numbers.

  8. Hiccup

    Aug 27, 2015, 11:09 #74773

    I've just received an e-mail from AKB Central, who have issued an official safety recall on all clockender posts. Just like the Chrysler jeeps, they think clockender has been jacked, hence the increased levels of wreckless joyriding on here. Further investigation is obviously required before anything can be confirmed. Another embarrassing AKB causing further embarrassment for the AKB community. Understandably, they will want to disassociate themselves from this loose cannon.

  9. Andreas

    Aug 27, 2015, 10:47 #74771

    A long way to go. Not been great so far but the second half showed that the team can go further than they did last season.

  10. jeff wright

    Aug 27, 2015, 10:43 #74770

    Clockenderson still trolling from his shed knows more about the game than ex-players and managers do . You couldn't make it up.

  11. Exeter Gunner

    Aug 27, 2015, 10:42 #74769

    Ron - it's quite hard to decipher, but I think clockender may be saying that Arsenal NOW play like Barca and Spain did when at their peaks. Equally hysterical of course. After the 'manCHESTER Utd' rant yesterday from one of their senior figures this may be the new normal at AKB command. In fact clockender will get a pat on the back for the officials paranoia - one of the classic 'go to' excuses when all else fails.

  12. Ron

    Aug 27, 2015, 10:28 #74768

    Played like Spain and Barca when at their peak? Well, i didnt miss many matches from 97 - 2004 and i cant recall any tikka tikka (in fact it hadnt even been conceived by Barcelona back then). I certainly never saw any tippy tappy either. Another nugget clockender. Youre really making a name for y'self, though im not too sure yr colleagues at Central Command are that grateful for yr offerings! Im sure Hiccup might be visiting you on this post. Good luck with that. Looks like the bad AKB day yesterday continues apace!

  13. clockender

    Aug 27, 2015, 10:19 #74767

    Calm down with all this foolish striker talk,even when we had Henry people were still saying we needed a fox in the box,the way Arsenal play like Spain when they were at their peak and Barca was not based on the reliance of a 30 goal a season man.Those types of players tend to be at teams who rely on the'getting it in the mixer' type football that the likes of Man U, L'pool,spurts and Chelsea have always loved,where the other players hardly contribute apart from crossing and diagonal balls.Arsenal just need to get the players they currently have playing to the way we know they can.It won't be long before this team starts turning teams over big time,in fact it's the officials who normally worry me more than our opponents.

  14. smithy

    Aug 27, 2015, 9:21 #74766

    ref Edmund- The joel Campbell one is a mystery- he never has been given a chance. As to Austin he would retain the ball better than Giroud, but he does not have a chance of being signed as he is not a French under 19 or French 2nd division player! I hope we get cavanni but my head and heart says no!

  15. Seven Kings Gooner

    Aug 27, 2015, 9:00 #74765

    I think we are all forgetting how important the LC game is with the Spuds. It will be a game between two, very even teams, who only have a realistic chance of winning two trophies this season. The loser will only have the FA cup to go for, so I hope Arsene puts out a strong team and who knows he may finally win the cup that has eluded him ever since he became our manager all those years ago.

  16. CT Goonet

    Aug 27, 2015, 2:23 #74764

    Ah, but John Gage, Wenger and his akb's have no time for constructive critism. Agree, or F off down the lane. In the mean time it's an all out assault on GN for vocalizing the same complaint many on here have been making for years. I just wish our manager would unite the fan base behind the team by signing some strong players, instead he feels leaving the team short (IMO) is the right way forward.

  17. Edmund

    Aug 27, 2015, 1:58 #74763

    I don't see why AW doesn't play Joel Campbell. At least I expect to see greater desire. If he can't get Benzema, he should try Charlie Austin. Proven goal scorer in BPL. Low risk. English player and likely to jump at the opportunity.

  18. Cyril

    Aug 26, 2015, 23:26 #74762

    Is he still here?

  19. jjetplane

    Aug 26, 2015, 22:36 #74761

    Watching Nikita and I reckon Division (the Baddies) are a Red Faction splinter group under the supervision of the sinister Ferguson. They have a global reach and they even sent a drone into the Holloway area to make any crowds drowsy with a devilish gas. trackers found the crowds were already in deep slumber and the drone was not needed. Remember gooners 'the fog is on the Tyne' and something about sardines and a French King. All getting a bit spooky. I do hope Theo and the boys are sleeping well. The sinister Ferguson has been sighted near Hadrian's Wall and a certain associate known only as Gary has found the remains of a script written by one Badarse .....

  20. Hiccup

    Aug 26, 2015, 22:15 #74760

    If the AKB's tell me to ignore what ex pros Neville and Carragher have to say, that's fine with me. So the thoughts of ex CL winners should be dispensed with, but the thoughts of bitter and deluded AKB's telling us what we should or shouldn't listen to is sound advice? The ramblings of baddie and clockender make more sense than anything Neville had to say. So true. Can we please have guidance for this weekends match being shown on BT? Are there any pundits we can take notice of, or do we have to wait and see what they say before the AKB's go to the High Court to censor anything defamatory against Wenger?

  21. Bard

    Aug 26, 2015, 21:31 #74759

    Fellow travellers i have just emerged from a 2 hour grilling by the area psychiatrist. He says Im paranoid with my conspiracy theories about Man U infiltration. I showed him where I thought I saw Fergie hiding and it turned out to be a wooden carving of the boss that I had commissioned in 2004. He said I needed to spend more time listening to Gary Neville as part of my cure but I then noticed a badge in his lapel that looked suspiciously like a Man U badge and then it all fell into place. Fergie and Man U had bought up all the psychiatrists and they were brainwashing every person in the Uk. Let us gooners rise in revolt at this conspiracy. Are Newcastle Man U free or have the dastardly Mancs taken them over as well. Colsey, Westie , JulesD spread the word.

  22. jjetplane

    Aug 26, 2015, 21:12 #74758

    Bloody hell Fergie's ghost likes to rub it in winning 7-1 with a Rooney hatrick in the CL. That must be fixed like the PL. Global conspiracy. What will Henry make of that. I hope he finds a voice coach soon. Better **** off up to OT. What you reckon Clockender?

  23. Westlower

    Aug 26, 2015, 21:10 #74757

    Very well taken goal by Arsenal youngster Dan Crowley on loan to Barnsley to restore their lead over Everton.

  24. John F

    Aug 26, 2015, 19:31 #74756

    Bard,Fergie behind the bushes, is that where you keep the whiskey?As for a new striker I still think we made a mistake letting Afobe go.He just keeps on scoring but may have been too direct for Wenger's liking and he does keep making the mistake of shooting the ball at the goal rather then join in with tippy tappy play time.Akpom is getting good reviews from Hull fans up here and has knocked in a couple of goals.Hayden is also doing well.

  25. Westlower

    Aug 26, 2015, 18:50 #74755

    @Bard, Welcome to the persecuted society. Isn't it a wonderfully sublime feeling when that light switches on in your head? Fergie isn't free, he's currently being trodden underfoot by mega rich Arabs on the race course. He's playing with the big boys now! How about midfield enforcer Victor Wanyama on his way to the Emirates after pulling out of Southampton's trip with a tummy bug? @ Badarse. It's the 40th anniversary of Barney Curley pulling off his first big betting coup, winning £300k (£1.25m today) when he was down to his last £15k. A 50 minute show is being staged in a marquee (no not a signing) on Bellestown race course recalling how the coup unfolded. Barney will be there accompanied by trainer Tommy Stack and a group of Jesuit priests recently returned from voluntary work for Barneys Direct Aid To Africa charity.

  26. Exeter Gunner

    Aug 26, 2015, 18:48 #74754

    The WOB of course is swiftly able to tell when he has read a story before. I used to think the AKBs simply had goldfish memories, but I see now it's that they're reassured by the comforting familiarity of having the same tale told to them over and over. Look at the little AKBs tucked up snugly in bed in a row, as Grandpa Arsene begins once again: Chapter One - The Slow Start.

  27. John Gage

    Aug 26, 2015, 18:48 #74753

    I watched the Gary Neville Sky Sports analysis several times and I honestly did not feel he was having a go at Arsenal. In fact the emotion I sensed from him was respect for Arsenal's history and exasperation as to why the attacking talents Arsenal undoubtedly has was not better protected. And if you compare Arsenal's spine from the "Invincibles" season (2003-2004) Jens Lehmann- Sol Campbell- Patrick Vieira- Thierry Henry, with our team in 2013-2014, Wojciech Szczesny- Laurent Koscielny- Francis Coquelin- Olivier Giroud, it is very difficult to refute Gary Neville's argument with regard to the disparity in quality and physical power. It should be a sign a strength for any team or manager to accept constructive criticism and learn from it.

  28. jjetplane

    Aug 26, 2015, 18:47 #74752

    Bard You are boss man .... Cavani is coming TH14 (is that a spud code?) but has already demanded that his life coaxh/hairdresser sit by the Physios. At the moment he is talking to Defoe who has both Gary's and Fergie's private numbers - we are good to go ..... in Jenuary 'sick and tired/you been hanging on me/you make me laugh with your smile ....' Bloody hell! some bloke at the door in a kilt 'Quick get the Grouse out you ... pheasant!'

  29. Bard

    Aug 26, 2015, 18:23 #74751

    It has been a momentous day in the life of the online gooner. The murky world of politics and power has been blown asunder by the revelation that Manchester Untd have taken over the FA and Sky. I thought this was twaddle but then last night I saw Fergie and Giggs hiding behind the bushes at the bottom of my garden. I put 2 and 2 together and came up with 4.56. I realised that Fergie's retirement was pre planned leaving him free to take over the whole of the UK and turn it into Old Trafford thereby enduring that they won the PL in perpetuity. Sorry I would have written more but my wife says the community psychiatrist will be here in a minute and that I had better change out of my army fatigues. Stay vigilant fellow gooners.

  30. Mark from Aylesbury

    Aug 26, 2015, 18:19 #74750

    Sorry Westie I don't understand what are we giving up on? The Premiership or s top 4 position?

  31. Th14afc

    Aug 26, 2015, 18:19 #74749

    So who do u reckon we'll end up with by the end of deadline day (if anyone)? The William carvallho rumours have gone quiet now haven't they,everytime I've seen him I've been impressed,an aggressive fighter in midfield....the old cliche been that we 'haven't had a regular one of them since PV4' striker wise who knows who we'll end up with...hope for cavini (as Benzema is a no go) but can't see us getting anyone of that ilk,we'll see.... Love deadline day though

  32. mbg

    Aug 26, 2015, 17:57 #74748

    Dear old Henry has just had his real taste of punditry and what it's all about, in a real footballing situation and been put on the spot and tied in knots by a better one than himself, intentionally or not, and he's going to find himself in that situation a hell of a lot more often where Arsenal and wenger are concerned anyway, just how long can he keep up sitting on the fence (or trying to) to try and not upset the/his lord and master in order to look after his golden egg? I'd imagine this situation hasn't gone unnoticed with the producers on Sky sports either, and haven't or won't miss a trick when it comes to putting him on the spot again, i'd guess we'll be seeing more of Henry standing there squirming and fiddling with his knobs trying to explain away Lord wengers embarrassments and failings, just how long can he keep it up and keep doing it is the question.

  33. Hiccup

    Aug 26, 2015, 17:19 #74747

    This paranoia with United and match officials is best kept in house on here. Arseblog is still performing counselling sessions for those still in need, and judging by today's posts, there are still those in need. My concern is there are posters on here that are clearly beyond help. It's when these posters venture outside in the real world and post such garbage on other media sites, that arsenal fans will be seen as overtaking the scousers as the most deluded and dumb fans on the planet. i suppose that's the price we pay for democracy.

  34. Ron

    Aug 26, 2015, 17:17 #74746

    Sticky wicket EG. The Club, Wenger and certainly the AKB fraternity on here hold WC up in lights as he proclaimed 'Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm'. They follow it to the letter!

  35. Exeter Gunner

    Aug 26, 2015, 17:04 #74745

    Another Churchill quote: “Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it”

  36. jjetplane

    Aug 26, 2015, 16:27 #74744

    Just noticed I was mixing up Phil with Gary in a Neville Neville moment/s (scarey). The ones who really care about getting the spin right are Baddie (Westie's orderley) and the man himself who has now got darts aimed at Jose, Gary, Jamie, Fergie, the people of Monaco and probably the poor cat. Good day for a nice soup. Mind you - Phil is not exactly a favourite with the old Highbury crowd. Down at the Emirates they probably think the Nevilles are a circus act .... Have to say that Gary knows how to tame a little tabby like Henry. ps Never had Baddie down as a Meil reader/digester ...

  37. Westlower

    Aug 26, 2015, 16:14 #74743

    Dear old Winston Churchill had this site weighed up. Never was so much owed by so many (WOB's) to so few (AKB's). Three games in and the Wobblies have thrown the towel in. Don't worry chaps we'll drag you through the tough times until we hit a winning sequence then you can wear your colours again.

  38. Exeter Gunner

    Aug 26, 2015, 15:49 #74742

    Man Utd are the root cause of ALL the problems in the PL??? We may wish to apportion them their fair share of blame but are they really totally responsible for the sovereign wealth of nations being pumped into Man City and Chelsea, or Texan billionaires turning AFC into a franchise, Sky coming in and turning football into showbiz, the mercenary player of today, rip off prices, the selfie generation going to soulless new stadia so they can post on Instagram that they were there? Can't all be laid at the door of the Busby Babes legend and Fergie, I'm afraid.

  39. mbg

    Aug 26, 2015, 15:41 #74741

    I see helmut insists we can still win the league, the fact he's saying talking or thinking like that says it all, he must have been sitting in that dressing room on Monday night looking around him and thinking what the fook have I let myself in for.

  40. jeff wright

    Aug 26, 2015, 15:34 #74740

    The atmosphere of intimidation at Sold Trafford generated in Fergie-time by the old garrulous Gruppenfuhrer was the motivating factor in the home-town decision stakes Westie rather than SKY TV. That's gone now with the Scottish wind and although it's true that the media and Sky like United to be top dogs ( they have the most supporters it's all about economics) the fact is that they are not top dogs these days and are not likely to be so , for who knows how long?They went 27 years once in the doldrums ,so anything is possible regarding that scenario.Liverpool have not been able to get back to their previous dominace and have struggled to get a minor top 4 finish most seasons since the Prem began. Last Saturday's Rooney goal that was ruled out would have been given in Fergie-time or a penalty in lieu later by the ref after the Gruppenfuhrer had a word with him at half-time .But that was then and now is now and the game ended in a tame 0-0 .The worst case scenario has anyway already happened for SKY the 'title race' is already looking like a one horse affair in reality one again . So then cue frantic attempts now to talk up the exciting as Arsene once called it 4th place trophy race! Arrogant Arsene will love it .

  41. jjetplane

    Aug 26, 2015, 15:22 #74739

    I hope JulesD has the soup ready and a nice peppermint Club bar. Times like these are worrying. All happening on here too. I wish they would just give Theo his own show and that would calm things for now. What would Phil make of it! No doubt he would comfort the weary AKb as he did with poor little Henry. Pires would never have let that happen - would he? Cue greying man with duck walk exiting right ....

  42. Westlower

    Aug 26, 2015, 14:47 #74738

    @Jeff, The technology debate is all about how serious is football about being honest and wanting the correct decisions at all time? Remove the match outcome from the working to orders officials? Surely not. The TV companies certainly don't want it as they can play play God with their replays and telling players in Harry Enfield fashion that you don't want to do it like that, you should have done it like this. We must have SKY setting the agenda as they desperately need ManCHESTER UNITED, ManCHESTER UNITED, ManCHESTER UNITED (sorry Martin Tyler, my needle got stuck) back at the top of the tree. Giggs, Scholes, Becks, Cantona, Rooney; nurse, nurse, I need a pan quickly!! Where would we be if the OT linesman had to remove their Rooney signed shirt from under their official uniform? Giggs ought to be in charge of the match officials as he had more confrontations with them than other other player in the history of football. The nations love of ManChESTER UNITED is at the root cause of all problems in the PL. Corruption & dishonesty has always thrived at OT - that's the result of having an intimidating thug in charge for so many years. Theatre of Bending the rules during the Fergie years!

  43. Red Member

    Aug 26, 2015, 14:23 #74737

    clockender - head in the sand comes to mind

  44. jeff wright

    Aug 26, 2015, 14:12 #74736

    mgb, this Clockender son's terminology looks rather familiar ... just the same old case though of ' he couldn't wind up a clock... '

  45. mbg

    Aug 26, 2015, 13:52 #74735

    CT Gooner, it will not make a blind bit of difference who he signs mate, nothing will change, the only signing we need is a new manager.

  46. Exeter Gunner

    Aug 26, 2015, 13:39 #74734

    clockender, given your dismissal of the other contenders we can assume AFC will cruise to the title. What will you be saying if they don't win it, given the paucity of the opposition? Are you sure you've thought this one through?

  47. mbg

    Aug 26, 2015, 13:33 #74733

    jw, another one swotted, he'll probably be back when his god wins the next game and he can kick on.

  48. Hiccup

    Aug 26, 2015, 13:31 #74732

    Some top notch bollocks there clockender. No one has the right to ask for arsenal to win as that is disrespectful to the other teams? Then in the next breath Man United are tedious and Chelsea are a creaking team with lightweight Hazard. That comes across as very respectful from yourself. Keep this top quality drivel up and you'll go far at AKB Central. Good luck in your career.

  49. clockender

    Aug 26, 2015, 13:17 #74731

    No one has the right to say we must win this or that,that's arrogance and disrespectful to our opponents.We are the only club since Arsene Wenger has been in charge to have always finished in the top four and doing that playing some amazing football,not the turgid defensive long ball football some of our rivals have had to endure.I look at the other top sides and haven't seen anything to be concerned about,yes City have got off to an excellent start,yet you know that wont last as their team although having an excellent spine also contains many passengers and players who were deemed not good enough for us.United are going backwards and are now playing a style even more tedious than when Ferguson was at the helm with his crunching physical break up play game.While Chelsea are an aging creaking side with a defence on it's last legs relying more on the lightweight Hazzard to get them out of trouble.Neville and Carragher both have agendas and both change their opinions by the week,like Scholes they come out with outlandish statements hoping to influence gullible minds.

  50. mbg

    Aug 26, 2015, 13:14 #74730

    Ron, you were right, it's taken slightly longer but the blame game has started, and everything but the real culprit, and to think they had to sleep on it.

  51. A Cornish Gooner

    Aug 26, 2015, 13:05 #74729

    jj. But not necessarily in that order.

  52. jeff wright

    Aug 26, 2015, 13:00 #74728

    Ramsay is right it's time to bring in the technology to help hapless match officials to get off-side decisions right .The sight of these linesmen or women running up and down the sidelines dementedly waving flags is rather quaint these days with the big screens at stadia and slo-mo replays on TV making them look like incompetent fools . With on the other-hand others such as Badarse and Westie , Andy M and co looking like experts with 20/20 vision by comparison . The fact that some match officials are incompetent is irrelevant to this point. We need correct decisions on off-sides - same as we now get with the 'did the ball cross the line' technology. The great thing about the off-side mistakes being avoided is that it will stop all the excuses and whining from some about it having cost their side points. They will of course as history shows just find other excuses for this - and in our own case it will never be for some natch the manager's fault. Of course penalty calls , other than blatant no contact dives , will always be a matter for contention and just as well because in reality football thrives on contention it can be rather boring at times and the biggest problem at the Emirates is that everything is very non-atmospheric plastic and pre-packaged ,rather like Arrogant Arsene's substitutions are , it's more of a West end show with the audience expecting ,as Arshavin said sitting there in their big comfy red seats ,expecting to be entertained ,rather than them being there to watch a proper football match. Even empty seats are classified as being spectators by the corporate customer club execs. The audience however expects no fluffing of lines by the actors and extras with the only wrong calls being made by match officials against the away side . Happy endings are required to send the audience home smiling and singing such catchy little ditties as Peter Cech is a gooner ! The pundits on TV love mistakes by match -officials that they can pontificate upon the only good news for them is bad news .Contention is what they thrive on not happy endings. On another note though if Ramsey's goal being disallowed did change the dynamics of the game is not provable with dynamics being a motion of force that changes over a period of time and not an instantaneous result of any action at just one point of that time span. The game the other night was played over 94 minutes and it could be argued that Cech's saves and Liverpool hitting the post twice with him well beaten ,as was the case when Palace also did that ,were the dynamic factors that played a part in the final result .Everything with dynamics is subjective and speculative.

  53. mbg

    Aug 26, 2015, 13:00 #74727

    Kick on, and arsene and god used in the same sentence tells you everything you need to know.

  54. jjetplane

    Aug 26, 2015, 12:55 #74726

    I agree WESTIE that phone-ins beat punditry for me but when all is done we are looking for entertainment in the game and watching J & P giving Henry a clever media massage was pure gold. Henry is playing like a slippery politician as he stares into the Futures market of the Emirates and possibly sees nothing but decline and untruths but is unable to move forward - preferring the shallow ground of commercial belief. J & P know that and if it was a set-up then even better. Football could do with more of that kind of policing. Back to the pundit question and not sure WESTIE that you could be included in the supporter vein as such as you don't actually go to the games. I think you know what I mean. ps have a passing interest in Wittgenstein anthropological malarkey and that Baddie boy is one little inflated monkey .... His paradigm now reads as William, Oscar, Arsene and himself .... Such fun!

  55. Hiccup

    Aug 26, 2015, 12:55 #74725

    Pacey. There may be no more excuses that financially we can't compete. True. But you need to move with the times. Where one excuse evaporates, we need to make way for another excuse, or two ideally. You put your mind to it, and anyone can sound as spaced out as Westie and baddie. I've always believed the line that we can't sign players until the CL qualifier has been negotiated, as players won't commit without the guarantee of CL football. That's been backed up by United's struggle to sign any players this summer. But believe it or not, we can't sign any players until Man United have finished their qualifier. The top players are holding out to sign for United, provided they qualify. If they don't qualify, we will be swooping in for these top players. Our hands are tied until after tonight. Once again, these 'want it all now' fans have no patience. Sit back, relax, and have belief. This is our year.

  56. A Cornish Gooner

    Aug 26, 2015, 12:54 #74724

    Badarse. 78949 a vehicle to give further proof of your genius 'acerbic' wit, but in fact 'an utter waste of time' 'O' Level Physics - Pass. 'O' Level Humility - miserable failure.

  57. mbg

    Aug 26, 2015, 12:49 #74723

    RedPig, sorry only getting round to it now, but smashing post from yesterday evening.

  58. Ron

    Aug 26, 2015, 12:48 #74722

    CG - Ha. Quite right. Problem for me was that i never was! I swear i got to Uni on the back of some mixed up A level results and some poor blighter missed out by dint of having mine!

  59. Pacey

    Aug 26, 2015, 12:40 #74721

    Wenger needs to deliver the title or the champions league before his existing contract expires to warrant an extension in my opinion. Major hounours have to be the target for a club the size of Arsenal. Financially Arsenal have the firepower to compete for these honours again so no more excuses on that front. If Wenger doesn't deliver I think alot of people would respect him of he graciously stepped down and let someone else take the reigns - just hope to god he doesn't get rewarded for delivering zilch! To call for his head now is ridiculous though, do people honestly think things would improve if he went now? who the hell would replace him for a start?

  60. A Cornish Gooner

    Aug 26, 2015, 12:38 #74720

    Ron. Obviously if you were good at something at school your opinion is more valid.

  61. jjetplane

    Aug 26, 2015, 12:27 #74719

    Aaaah yes The Daily Mail based offshore but creaming the limited brain power of the apparently hard working fearless middle England Volk. Arsene Fc also based in America and offshore creaming the cash off a bunch of tourists and a motley crew whose leaders are never seen in public (at matches). Just chalked up another win for RON and that particular match has ended in a conflated whimper .... The Jamie & Phil Show. The Americans will love it and Giroud could become famous in a way he never imagined. ps the momentum of the game on Monday clearly exhibits that if Arsene's Comfortables were given the goal then Liverpool would have replied with at least 3. Quite simple even for sixth form pseudo existentialists ....

  62. Exeter Gunner

    Aug 26, 2015, 12:22 #74718

    Badarse - "hold a mirror to another's face when they spout outlandish drivel" Well, I think that's what I'm doing too. I think I do focus on what you say, but the reflection in the mirror held up is not always flattering to yourself, so naturally you will construe it a misinterpretation.

  63. Ron

    Aug 26, 2015, 12:19 #74717

    Big debate opens up there Westie lad. For me, the footie player you mention certainly knows the inside of the game, so his views on how things 'work' are of greater value. Not necessarily the opinion though, but it should be a better informed opinion by the player than the fan?. The player would have an advantage in debate, as Neville does, like or loathe the bloke. Im not sure GN wants to be a Manager now and im totally sure he respects AW. His comments the other night dont change that view. He might think hes arrogant, but that doesnt remove respect for a bloke. As you do im sure, we both might meet some bombastic, people in professional life whos arrogance we have to accept makes them very good at their jobs, though we might not like what they create or produce.It doesn't mean their product is 'crap'.

  64. Made Up Stat

    Aug 26, 2015, 12:13 #74716

    CT Gooner: Maybe we can boost our goal scoring chances by signing one or two Palace defenders?

  65. Exeter Gunner

    Aug 26, 2015, 12:10 #74715

    I would imagine any claim that Westlower has an 'obsessional dislike' of Mourinho would be based on him referencing the Chelsea manager disparagingly again and again and again. As for Wenger, I would think repeated references to him would be based on the fact that he's the overwhelmingly dominant figure at the club that is the reason for this site's existence. So in that sense, we're all 'obsessed' with him. Seems quite simple when you break it down, no need to huff and puff.

  66. Badarse

    Aug 26, 2015, 12:09 #74714

    Morning again, Exeter Gunner. I apologise if that wormhole thing offended, it wasn't meant to, thought that as this is all theatre it was mildly amusing, it clearly missed so once more apologies. Connection is good providing there is a conclusion, but if there isn't it becomes tedious, wouldn't you agree? We have differing approaches to AFC, in what we see and interpret, so often I consider it pointless-I don't want to wound, just to tease and perhaps hold a mirror to another's face when they spout outlandish drivel. This is done to stop the idea taking root amongst the easily led. The statement that 1-0 would have been the score at that point in the game was factual. Whether it had remained so is anyone's guess, but a 1-0 score line would have been the platform at that juncture so is the only starting point, surely? The fact that Liverpool never scored after this point adds weight to the supposition that it may well have finished 1-0. Of course it is only conjecture, and an aspect I never deal in generally. I don't believe in the invisible man, or fate, or the Colgate Ring of Confidence. I do however weigh circumstances often and regard a 1-0 position as better than 0-0, therefore a better likely outcome is a more considered circumstance, certainly more just. I think you don't actually focus on what I say very well, if indeed you do focus at all, because the avenue our posts went down in the past-even today, so nothing has changed on that score, (it's still 1-0), as I have had to keep explaining misinterpretations. @Cornish, just playing to the gallery chum. All the world's a Globe, methinks. Did you know Shakespeare wrote just over 800,ooo words, so I have around 700,000 to go. Ouch! And Oscar was, or as near as damn it.

  67. Westlower

    Aug 26, 2015, 12:07 #74713

    @Ron, Is the opinion of a fan with experience of watching top class games for 50 years+ of less value than someone who played full back at the top level for 19 years? Bear in mind the best footballers don't usually make the best managers. I thought it was common knowledge that supporters know best - you just have to listen to the phone in shows. Time will tell how successful GN will be in management. If he matches AW's achievements he will have done very well. Jockeys & trainers aren't the best tipsters. Successful pro gamblers have probably never ridden a horse in their lives. People have varying degrees of judgement, some are good at analysing & making best decisions, some aren't.

  68. Bard

    Aug 26, 2015, 12:03 #74712

    Does anyone know if Kallstrom is available ? We could do worse than take a punt on him.

  69. Ron

    Aug 26, 2015, 11:59 #74711

    Badarse - in addition to yr brilliance and sheer omnicompetence in all earthly disciplines that we all know of we can certainly agree that you're an absolute genius at 'huffing'. Its the first bit of honesty ever to flow across yr keyboard from yr pudgy little fingers, so well done to you chum! Theres another word to define yr 'huffing' of course but its not for use in this discussion.

  70. CT Gooner

    Aug 26, 2015, 11:54 #74710

    5 days of the window left. I really hope Wenger brings in some strong dominant players, but I think it's another season of what could have been. An ambitious executive would not tolerate this, yet most Gooners lap it up.

  71. A Cornish Gooner

    Aug 26, 2015, 11:37 #74709

    Badarse. It seems you have nothing to declare but your genius today.

  72. Exeter Gunner

    Aug 26, 2015, 11:27 #74708

    Badarse - 1. julesd puts up the quote "if linesman Simon Bennett (no relation to Gordon) had done his job, they would have won". 2. You follow up julesd's post thus: "One legitimate goal scored and disallowed wrongly, ergo 1-0" If you disagreed with the quote from the Daily Mail, perhaps you should have said in order to avoid any misunderstanding. Incidentally, why do you 'resist in connecting'? Am I abusive towards you, do I call you names - as you have rather snidely been towards me with 'perhaps a wormhole is more apt'? I focus on what you actually say. Is that the reason you 'resist in connecting'?

  73. Badarse

    Aug 26, 2015, 11:24 #74707

    Ron that was so funny, truly. Just an observation, you lay a false claim at westlower's door that he has an obsessional dislike of Mourhino which is due to some personality disorder on his part, or to do with erectile dysfunction, cannot remember what tosh it was, so if I say it often enough-and were I to have lackeys who repeated my dirges incessantly-it would become fact, I think that's how it works, doesn't it? Well you clearly have an obsession regarding Arsene Wenger...and that is factual. I play a mean game of chess too, I so love 'huffing'.

  74. Exeter Gunner

    Aug 26, 2015, 11:11 #74706

    Westlower - regardless of their value, you're still not actually putting up any counter-argument to what GN said. When should we expect these from you or others? "spewing crap" doesn't cover it I'm afraid. Show us how.

  75. FPGooner

    Aug 26, 2015, 11:11 #74705

    Hiccup, who would have thought it, two deluded entities living in the past, such as the Daily Mail and the AKBs not loving each other? Let me get my lack of objectivity out of the way first. I disliked both the Nevilles in their playing days, but Gary Neville commanded my ire. He had pretensions to competence, unlike his idiot brother Phil, who could be called upon to perform heroics such as a blind-side tackle on a Portuguese player in the box in the last minute to knock England out. Gary embodied everything I despised about Old Trafford, more than Ferdinand, more than Fergie, more than Van Nistelrooy. But to my horror, he then becomes an exceptional pundit. Most gooners agree, but not the restless lynch mob who stand ready to defend their leader, no matter how legitimate the argument. Speaking of that, much has been written about this ‘legitimate’ goal. Usually, the supporters who bray like donkeys over a goal ruled out for offside are found supporting relegation fodder. Supporters of the top teams don’t make excuses for the very obvious flaws and weaknesses of their teams, they expect more. We are the exception. We demand less and less. We squeal like schoolgirls after clinching fourth place, knowing deep down that we would struggle in the Europa never mind the CL. We think Giroud is a fine player. We think 2 FA cups over the last 10 years is beyond our wildest dreams. We are an anachronism in today’s world. We demand less and less of the management at the Emirates, choosing instead to vent our fury and venom at anyone who questions this lunacy.

  76. Badarse

    Aug 26, 2015, 11:07 #74704

    Have to say this, though I really try to resist in connecting. I never said it would finish 1-0 to the Arsenal Exeter Gunner. You really need to take my advice and read posts carefully otherwise you will always be in a time warp-or perhaps a wormhole is more apt-worms are vital, without them the human species dies. A perfectly good goal is disallowed at a stage in the game where it is 0-0, ergo it would then become 1-0. Specific! Now cause and effect is another very interesting aspect. If you misunderstand the post then you cause an effect certainly, think I've got that, sadly this becomes the event horizon for common sense though. Wisest words spoken today 24601. As I often put it, nothing is real!

  77. Ron

    Aug 26, 2015, 11:06 #74703

    They might not be 'worth' more Westie (how do you quantify the value of an opinion anyway? - does Badarse have scientific explanation? He might, now we know he was a brilliant physician as well as as a philosper and psychologist, not to mention his part time role as a brilliant historian)) They're views carry greater weight as they're from people who worked in the game for years. The clear fact that you're fearful and uncomfortable with those views doesn't make them wholly wrong and you wholly right. Nobody 'believes' every word, but they might empathise with some of them. You're spinning again Westie and its not working. Arrogant, po faced dismissal of views that you don't like is endemic amongst you Wenger followers. Its also rather like teenage angst at its worst.

  78. Westlower

    Aug 26, 2015, 10:52 #74702

    Pundits opinions aren't worth tuppence more than Joe Bloggs opinion. They are under more pressure from the TV companies to be controversial & sensationalist and people with a dislike of any victim (club/manager/player) lap it up. If you agree with the crap being spewed out then you're quite happy to believe every word, hook line & sinker. Most football fans get a thrill when an injustice happens to a club they dislike. We all do it. What's more cheering than Man U having a goal wrongly ruled out for offside? It's this one dimensional tribal view that stops football becoming honest.

  79. Exeter Gunner

    Aug 26, 2015, 10:48 #74701

    "Arsene and God might move in mysterious ways" Andy M, it was a good parody but you shouldn't make the satire quite that obvious. Badarse of course has long since moved into self-parody: " I can tell some weren't very good at physics at school-I was" Then it's strange you weren't taught about cause and effect. If the goal was allowed, the game wouldn't have panned out exactly as it did when it was disallowed. I'm afraid the new AKB central command dictat that Arsenal actually won 1-0 will need re-examining.

  80. jeff wright

    Aug 26, 2015, 10:43 #74700

    Andy M said : " ****ing hell. Three games does not a season make. Most of the posts on here... Really. Are you supporters or what? Ozil is a class act and we have a team that is misfiring a bit. But we also have a team brimming with skill, talent and passion. We should have been one-nil up... rambo's goal was perfectly legit... We was robbed by a myopic official who should have gone to spec savers. Not having your strongest back four isn't ideal... But Debuchy could have played instead of Gabriel or Chambers. And Giroud and Sanchez wasted a couple of sitters. They'll be hard on themselves. And while Giroud isn't an Henry, his work rate and hold up play is really good. Remember Bendtner anyone? Ffs, " this attempted pep talk regurgitating all of the usual old excuses is just delusional AKB tunnel-vision nonsense dressed up to try and pretend that the current poor results have only just popped up out of nowhere .The reality is of course that they have been going on now for 10 years. Giroud holds the ball up well .Yes Andy M I remember Bendtner and now who was it that awarded him 50k a week and a long contract ... was it Jeremy Corbyn ... AVB ... Comical Ali or Arsene Wenger ... as for players being hard on themselves you are having a laugh surely since when did any of these current lot of over-paid over-hyped and over here posers ever do that then...? Ozil is a class act ..really come on now please .. how do you arrive at this conclusion ... did you read it somewhere or was it Arsene;s comments about him last week before the Liverpool game in which he again was a spectator rather than a player.. best forget the WHU game and blowing bubbles wot ! There is no evidence of all of the claims made for Ozil in his performances for us since he arrived and he is now ( check it out) worth only half nof the 42m that Wenger or Stan most likely paid for him and has dropped out of the worlds top ten players list.... three games do not a season make ,wow! You are a mathematician as well ... how about 10 seasons though what do they make ... try using your fingers to count them ... after you have visited SpecSavers that is ... we have a team that is misfiring a bit... yes just one win at home against mainly ordinary opponents out of the last 6 played with no goals scored by our great old hold up player Giroud or anyone else either in 5 of them ... well that goes a little beyond a team just misfiring a bit .. at least in the real world that is ... obviously in the parallel one that you live in things appear to be rather different ...pigs can fly and winning FA Cups is progress... Peter Cech is a gooner and Arsene Wenger the greatest thing since sliced bread was invented ... if he went the club would implode ... why we might even see empty seats at the stadium and hear dodgy claims about the attendance figures .. we wouldn't want that to happen now would we >?! You couldn't make it up.

  81. Badarse

    Aug 26, 2015, 10:34 #74699

    Thank you for the explanation Ron, it should serve me well. If I set off on this path I should be just like you in around 58 years time-Arsene will be just signing his contract extension about this time.

  82. Ron

    Aug 26, 2015, 10:31 #74698

    Red Pig - You ll have them crying into their corn flakes with that little nugget of reality! Thats the main problem that Wenger's defenders have, they're refugees. Refugees from reality. Badarse - on yr point of conflating (not sure that you really understand the meaning of the word?), you and your posse are busy conflating yr latest convenient hobby horse of Nevilles non existent 'arrogance' with reality itself. Agenda s eh! Reality frightens you. Henry wasn't insulted at all. What hindered him was his contradictory position working for TV and working at AFC at the same time. Hes deeply compromised and Neville inadvertently exposed it. Henry is in the same position as Shearer was a while ago i.e one eye on working in football as a Coach and thus guarded and limited in what he could say as a pundit. Now he s far freer with his more forthright views as his work as a pundit is now his declared primary role. Henry, rightly or wrongly is protecting his egg which is his insider position at AFC and in all probability hes fostering ambitions to succeed Wenger. Look at the wider picture Badarse and stop seizing on little peripheral matters and seeing them as absolute truths. It ll help you going forwards chum.

  83. Hiccup

    Aug 26, 2015, 9:31 #74697

    Now the Daily Mail are upsetting the AKB's. How does an akb get through the day without getting upset? JJ is still causing distress to the fragile community. Maybe the AKB's should instill their own media blackout to ensure their own sanity? Or maybe AKB Central could issue a memorandum of which journalists we are allowed to read or listen to? It really does need addressing before the season kicks in come January.

  84. julesd

    Aug 26, 2015, 9:30 #74696

    Bard, The FA are only the tip of the iceberg, beware any match official going by the name of Gordon Bennett.

  85. Badarse

    Aug 26, 2015, 9:29 #74695

    Well Bard and the rest of the Blue Moanies, I never said we were hard done by, did I? You must read slowly peeps, and carefully, I find putting my finger beside the word and slowly moving it from left to right helps to keep me on track. I intimated that good fortune is neither regular or even in it's distribution. If you can now understand that then please try to explain the concept to mag as he goes a little into meltdown if he reads a post which isn't littered with ageism and biblical notions. If he grasps that, then all of you regard Monday night's game. One legitimate goal scored and disallowed wrongly, ergo 1-0. To other misguided peeps the woodwork does not help a team, or save them. Those which hit the frame of the goal are deemed off target-the bar and posts do not nip backwards and forwards, or up and down, stopping the ball from going in. Difficult to get used to all these things, isn't it? I can tell some weren't very good at physics at school-I was. Next week, if these facts are absorbed we shall have an 'Online Gooner Virtual Quantum Physics' session. In this you will find that particles like GN can be in two places at the same time, and that a goal only occurs when you look for the ball in the net. Andy M, welcome to the madhouse. Clockender keep on ticking over, your timing is perfect, and good to see you back julesd, thought of you both as I watched Les Mis last night...'One day more...' Was your way last weekend at Braintree-nice!

  86. Bard

    Aug 26, 2015, 9:12 #74694

    Julesd yes I know it was shocking bad luck that we didnt win. I blame the FA who I have it on good authority are anti Arsenal.

  87. chris dee

    Aug 26, 2015, 8:57 #74693

    Neville's comments resonated with many Arsenal fans,even those, like me, who are slow to criticise Arsene know deep down the our teams of the last 10 years have lacked physicality and defensive organisation. The problem we have now is that fans are almost shrugging with indifference at being 5 points behind after only 3 games,because we have become accustomed to being let down season after season, despite after all the usual pre season guff about 'we are now ready to challenge'for the title.

  88. Westlower

    Aug 26, 2015, 8:56 #74692

    JackL well done on picking up 30 points from your 0-0 prediction. I read somewhere there were 38 attempts on goal including a 'good' goal disallowed. Best buy yourself a lottery ticket this week as you're on a roll. Talking of luck, Arsenal have drawn a small club in the LC, about time something went our way!

  89. Charlie George Orwell

    Aug 26, 2015, 8:32 #74691

    Exeter Gooner hits the nail on the head again. The crux of Nevillie's and Carragher's comments are not challenged by the blinkered - instead they merely express outrage that they had the temerity to do so. I'm sorry, but if the only riposte to their comments is: 'Wenger's not arrogant, shame on them - what did they ever achieve anyway?', then some serious self-contemplation and reappraisal is required.

  90. smithy

    Aug 26, 2015, 8:31 #74690

    ref- Andy M. "...Giroud's hold up play and workrate is excellent ...". Are you watching a different forward to me? He wins nothing in the air when the ball is passed forward to him, cannot control a ball , wins no free kicks and doesn't run about much. He is always half a yard away from getting to the crosses from ozil/ramsey etc. He is not a top four striker and nor is welbeck or Walcott. We have square pegs in round holes. You are entitled to your opinion Andy M but I cannot agree on Giroud. Who is this Russian lad we are linked with, anyone know anything about him? Or is it another Arsene gamble?

  91. julesd

    Aug 26, 2015, 8:13 #74689

    In the aftermath of our 0-0 'thrashing' by Liverpool a comment in the Daily Mail by Happy Hammer Martin Samuel: Naive? Arrogant? Let's not forget that, no matter how vulnerable Arsenal looked against Liverpool on Monday night, if linesman Simon Bennett (no relation to Gordon) had done his job, they would have won. Liverpool came close many times, but Arsenal scored the only legitimate goal of the night. It should not be open season on Arsene Wenger just yet.

  92. Bard

    Aug 26, 2015, 7:13 #74688

    Andy M; very funny post mate. There was a real Simon Rose moment in it.'we will better know where we are at Christmas'. Andy mate I will eat my hat if we are still in the chase at Christmas. There is nothing Ive seen i the first three games that suggests we have a cat in hells chance of winning anything. I would write more but Im busy googling the 'alternative' PL, the one where Arsenal arent the victims of a conspiracy. I have found a table that has us as the top club for moaning about bad luck and making excuses. @Baddie sorry to hear about your back but it wasnt a convincing argument. Im surprised you view the outcome of sports cointests as a series of injustices and bad luck.

  93. Kockney Gooner in New York

    Aug 26, 2015, 3:34 #74687

    Dont post alot but read onlinegooner every day even before I take a piss in the morn here in new home of US, thats how obsessive Arsenal I am. Hate to see us argue amongst ourselves but all part of rich fabric of life and the higher existence of being deciples of The Arsenal ( God bless Don Howe). Im not an AKB or a WOB just an etrrnal optimist but will be back in Blighty for 2 weeks in early Sept and have ticket for Stoke game. Why do I bother?! Semi lost interest with bad start and bull**** excuses and no signings but cant help myself will be there shouting my ars off for the team. Its an obsession......but come on The Arsenal get your ars in gear!

  94. jjetplane

    Aug 26, 2015, 1:16 #74686

    At least 'we're ****ing off down the lane' for the league Cup. I bet PETE has got a ticket already.....

  95. DW Thomas

    Aug 26, 2015, 0:38 #74685

    Claim Chambers was a terrible decision. I like the lad, but why not Gabrielle and Debuchey? And Ramsey fails to impress every game for me. Everyone wants the glory on this team, but not always the hard work that makes that happen. Ozil is a pedestrian too often. And Giroud? Not good enough. Liverpool should have won by two or three. Benteke missed that sitter and two posts plus two amazing saves by Cech! Ramsey was playing right wing yet was on the left past Giroud time and time again. We still, f...king still! need 2 players. Backup for Coq and a top rated striker! Coq is playing well, but needs assistance. City will be miles away like Chelsea last year. Same old same old. Nearly men!

  96. jjetplane

    Aug 26, 2015, 0:32 #74684

    Anyway, so what COLsey is enlightening us to is no less than the PL has lied through it's teeth for the past decade. Generally Arsenal have been the serial winners through playing the more expansive football (with Ramsay riding around the pitch on Coquelin's back?) and by refusing to bend to the vulgarity of base competition. It is hard to fathom but all Arsene has tried to do is make of this silly game an art. You only have to look at Giroud .... What was Baddie saying? Something in the way he moves .... Other matters include a virtual bid for Cavani Chpt 12 who looks quite cheap at a million a month. Great hair but does he have tattoos to match? Can he make friends with Sanchez? Tune in to ArsenalTV for more. I am waiting to see what Jamie and Phil are thinking. Ps Jamerson/Thaddeus/Clockender is just pure CLASS ..... It is late and I have just finished work ...

  97. jjetplane

    Aug 26, 2015, 0:02 #74683

    That's it Westie! Joan Rivers/Arsene Wenger. Quite uncanny really. Is that why Stan is so under the spell? On the buses/Park the buses - Badarse Blakey 'I'll have you Nevilleeeeee!' Poor old Henry is a bit dopey in company ....

  98. clockender

    Aug 25, 2015, 23:40 #74682

    It's not that the officials are bent it's just the way Arsene Wenger has drilled his players not to respond in a negative way towards referees that means we tend to not get the same treatment as Man U or Liverpool who have a mentality towards gamesmanship.Sky pundits like Gary Neville are paid to make outlandish comments,he was way off the mark calling Arsene arrogant and Thierry Henry showed his class when he told him it was not arrogance,but 'Belief' in the way that Arsene Wenger has always instilled in his teams that they can beat anybody playing a more expansive style of football.

  99. Andy M

    Aug 25, 2015, 23:31 #74681

    ****ing hell. Three games does not a season make. Most of the posts on here... Really. Are you supporters or what? Ozil is a class act and we have a team that is misfiring a bit. But we also have a team brimming with skill, talent and passion. We should have been one-nil up... rambo's goal was perfectly legit... We was robbed by a myopic official who should have gone to spec savers. Not having your strongest back four isn't ideal... But Debuchy could have played instead of Gabriel or Chambers. And Giroud and Sanchez wasted a couple of sitters. They'll be hard on themselves. And while Giroud isn't an Henry, his work rate and hold up play is really good. Remember Bendtner anyone? Ffs, let's get behind the team and kick on. We know we're better than recent games suggest. We turned Chelsea over in the Comm Shield and we all know that it we get a better sense of where we are at Christmas. Get behind the team... And sometimes, it's better the devil you know. Arsene and God might move in mysterious ways but I'm pretty sure the former cares about the club and wants success like we all do. Forget the media hype and support the boys. We haven't got a bad team and, let's be honest, what with building the Emirates and everything... We've over achieved for the best part of a decade. Stop wingeing - a lot of teams would like to have the 'problems' we have...

  100. mbg

    Aug 25, 2015, 23:29 #74680

    Exeter, there you are then, it was a generalisation and to think some came close to blaming the ref and linesman.

  101. Hiccup

    Aug 25, 2015, 22:46 #74679

    It's been a double whammy so far this season. Not only are the refs and pundits anti arsenal, the opening fixtures were rigged by the PL to suit Chelsea and City. Arsenal have been stitched up with three tricky fixtures, including an away game, while everyone else was given easy fixtures. Another early kick off beckons on Saturday, which just goes to prove the authorities are out to derail our season before it starts. Why can none of the pundits see this, yet everyone on here is well aware of what's happening? Thank god for reasoned perspective on here.

  102. Exeter Gunner

    Aug 25, 2015, 22:42 #74678

    Relatively coherent, but more importantly, clarifying. Further question: Do you believe then that Arsenal are simply unluckier every season than other teams?

  103. mbg

    Aug 25, 2015, 22:32 #74677

    Oh gawd here we go again, an explanation in fluent martian, as if any body was actually going to read it or take notice.

  104. Alan Badarse-tridge

    Aug 25, 2015, 22:24 #74676

    Ron! Ron! Ron! Ron! Ron! Ron! Ron! Ron! Ron! Ron! Ron! Ron! Ron! Ron! ...he's not seeing me, I'll get him later. ... Ron!

  105. goonercolesyboy

    Aug 25, 2015, 22:23 #74675

    I never said Arsenal had been unfairly treated, in any way shape or form. It was a generalisation. Coherent Exeter?

  106. Exeter Gunner

    Aug 25, 2015, 22:15 #74674

    To talk about 'randomness' in such an unfocused, misdirecting way is one thing, but back on the football pitch, which is where we are talking about, if the suggestion is being made that one team - in this case, AFC - gets a disproportionately large share of bad decisions go against them, that implies that the refs are bent, under the influence of other powers. In short, there is a conspiracy against AFC. So the question is asked again - is that the implication colesyboy is making? If not, let's hear from him, as I very much doubt he would answer in quite the manner that Badarse did, despite the latter's belief he can speak for him.

  107. Badarse

    Aug 25, 2015, 21:52 #74673

    jeff, 'loyal'? There is a word I'd never expect to see in one of your sentences. Horlicks in the mug, nightcap on, horn-rimmed specs on end of nose, smilingly benevolent look on bewhiskered face, enough of the wife, time for bed. Yum, yum! (Think it was all that talk of Ron's belly button fluff).

  108. jeff wright

    Aug 25, 2015, 21:43 #74672

    Hiccup,with the AKB ,as with Arrogant himself, it's a case of do what we say and not what we do. They have certainly got all rather flustered about the Sky pundits comments but the truth often hurts and Arrogant Arsene and his loyal band have never been ones to hold their hands up and admit to being wrong about anything . There are always some excuses and if needed they even invent them! You couldn't make it up.

  109. JackL

    Aug 25, 2015, 21:40 #74671

    I will not trouble everyone with my assessment as I have said the same again and again on this site for years, plus ca change, and AW out but one good thing from last night-I put the match as 00 on talk sport predictor so that's 30 points!

  110. Badarse

    Aug 25, 2015, 21:35 #74670

    OK, let me explain what goonercolesyboy is saying, which appears so convoluted and cryptically annoying to some. I grew up, (now I am growing down-a result of disc compression due to gravity over my 67 years), hearing adults say, 'It all evens itself out!', or, 'He/she will get it right back in the end!' Then as we modernised in the 60's it became, 'it's karma!' signifying retribution, or the hoped for pay back. It isn't real folks. The baddie often gets away with it, (no sideswipes, please), and the goodie often falls short. Justice is just a mental concept, and some win and some lose-it is random. Things can, like tossing a coin, continue in a similar vain, indefinitely. westlower knows this, he is a mathematician. All is chance, you just assess and weigh the odds. It is random! A club can enjoy good fortune and certain conscious or subconscious benefits. Another the reverse. To blandly wave a hand and say it balances and evens out over a season is trite nonsense, and a lazy consideration. Thank you goonercolesyboy.

  111. Hi Berry

    Aug 25, 2015, 21:15 #74669

    Is it my imagination or does Clockender sound remarkably like Jamie(erson) etc.?

  112. tpm

    Aug 25, 2015, 20:50 #74668

    clockender sums up all hats wrong at arsenal, he sounds like a scum fan....oohh arsenal won the league playing boring football but we play exiting football so id rather not win than win by playing boring. with fans like clockender we are the new spurs how pathetic.

  113. Hiccup

    Aug 25, 2015, 20:43 #74667

    Jeff, maybe the AKB's ought to listen to their own advice about listening to the sky pundits, as it seems to have caused them all the distress on here today? Bless them...

  114. mbg

    Aug 25, 2015, 20:38 #74666

    R/K, Mark from Aylesbury, nice one.

  115. mbg

    Aug 25, 2015, 20:23 #74665

    Dartford gooner, they're doing exactly what this excuse for a manager tells them to do, and they dare not disagree or complain. As for bouldy getting off his arse during the game he must have asked permission or sitting that long in the one place chewing gum and staring into space has give him Piles and he's had no choice.

  116. Exeter Gunner

    Aug 25, 2015, 20:16 #74664

    Colesboy - so is the implication of what you're saying that AFC get a disproportionately large share of bad decisions every season?

  117. jeff wright

    Aug 25, 2015, 20:14 #74663

    the AKB know Hiccup that what those dastardly Sky pundits are saying is true... Henry has to pay lip serine to Arsene but it all sounds lame and hollow and even he has made some critical comments about the players celebrating 'winning' 4th place and of course that big tattooed Oliver is not up to the job''' tbh you need a white stick and a guide dog if you can't see that... I heard Frank Warren a lifelong supporter on the radio earlier and he said what many do that Wengr is past it his ideas are outdated and it's time for a change... only AKB's who have dug themselves into deep holes over Arrogant Arsene would try to disagree with that but all they put up is hyperbole and abuse at Wenger's critics to counter it. That is really just so pathetic .

  118. JVC Gooner

    Aug 25, 2015, 20:09 #74662

    A team which finished way off the pace for the league and lost to Monaco in the CL only adds a goalkeeper over the summer. I can't disagree with either Neville or Carragher.

  119. Hiccup

    Aug 25, 2015, 20:00 #74661

    Unbelievable Jeff! The AKB's tell us not to listen to what the sky pundits have to say, yet all they've talked about all day is Neville and Carragher? If these pundits are so wrong, no doubt Wenger and the team will make them eat their words, again...

  120. mbg

    Aug 25, 2015, 19:53 #74660

    Tony, i'd just love to know what these pundits and ex wengerite players who kiss his ass in public are saying in private. Hiccup, yes you can just see it now, we're back and up and running.

  121. Roy

    Aug 25, 2015, 19:44 #74659

    You can debate all you like about the merits ( or not as the case may be ) of Gary Nevilles opinions, but one thing is for sure. Man City would have been laughing their b******s off at the mostly poor standard of defending and passing from both sides last night. Certainly nothing for them to lose sleep over from our lopsided squad. No more additions and its 4th at best for me. Now where have I heard that before? Yawn !

  122. goonercolesyboy

    Aug 25, 2015, 19:38 #74658

    It was meant in the context of decisions evening themselves out over a season. The loss of or gaining of points makes a difference to the table. How's that for coherent?

  123. Exeter Gunner

    Aug 25, 2015, 19:32 #74657

    We're still waiting for someone to disagree with the content of what Neville said. We've just had variations on 'How dare he say it'.

  124. mbg

    Aug 25, 2015, 19:28 #74656

    it's up for grabs, that will be a great day, a day to truly celebrate, and we'll be around alright when we can start looking forward to games again, and even start going again with a spring in our step, and see real competing and commitment and not have to look at and listen to a tired old man repeat himself over and over.

  125. RedPig

    Aug 25, 2015, 19:18 #74655

    Westlower - I disagree with what you say about Gary Neville. I actually found it refreshing to hear someone in his position say what he said last night about Wenger. If you want a better example of someone ''abusing the privileged position he's in'' ... then look no further than Wenger himself. He's been doing it for more than a decade and shows no sign of changing.

  126. Bard

    Aug 25, 2015, 19:17 #74654

    Colseyboysetc; I am in complete agreement about your suggestion for the use of technology but am fascinated by your claim that the 'we all know that the league table lies'. Can you explain ? is there a counter league championship that I dont know about that everyone is celebrating or are you suggesting its fixed ? Now is your moment Colsey,enlightenment is in your hands. If past form is anything to go by I dont expect a coherent response.

  127. Exeter Gunner

    Aug 25, 2015, 19:01 #74653

    The German for mobile phone is Handy. "Oh where is mein handy, I must avoid those unsafe telephone boxes"

  128. Bard

    Aug 25, 2015, 19:01 #74652

    Am right with you Mark from Alys. What a ridiculous post from Clockender It epitomises everything that is wrong with the club. Its morphed from a football club into a version of synchronised swimming. Lots of flicks and turns without a purpose. How long before we read a post from Clockender suggesting that he'd rather not win anything than have to watch defenders with socks round their ankles.

  129. clockender

    Aug 25, 2015, 19:00 #74651

    mark from aylesbury-I actually thought GG was ahead of his rivals too with his style of play,yet not as far ahead as AW.

  130. goonercolesyboy

    Aug 25, 2015, 19:00 #74650

    On a relative note to last night, when is it time to think about the instant replays for all goals scored or disallowed...maybe introduce the challenge situation as per cricket or the NFL etc. rugby league does a good job with making as sure as is possible that the correct decision is made on goals scored or not....? None of this it evens itself out in the end, the table never lies. We all know it doesn't. I thought about this earlier but forgot to post and read Ramsey had a similar thought.

  131. Westlower

    Aug 25, 2015, 18:37 #74649

    @Goonercolseyboy, I've just removed all German names from my phone. It's now Hans free!!

  132. mbg

    Aug 25, 2015, 18:30 #74648

    Mark T, maybe smashing the old nag over the head with the bucket would make him drink, or probably not, but just think of the satisfaction.

  133. Mark from Aylesbury

    Aug 25, 2015, 18:21 #74647

    Clockender - you're the one who is emotional old chum. What sentimental twaddle .!'d rather lose and win nothing than win in a charmless fashion. Did you fan yourself to ward off a hot flush when those nasty northerners won their European cups. I get it that you are a natural loser in life but please don't open our fan base up to redicule. Did you hate winning under GG. Grow up be a man and stop finding excuses for failure

  134. radfordkennedy

    Aug 25, 2015, 18:14 #74646

    Goonercolseyboy....Glad youve had a great time in Germany mate and i wish you safe passage home...but just remember when youre about to board the bus,if a man in a black leather coat and trilby titfer says "Good luck"remember to reply in German!

  135. Badarse

    Aug 25, 2015, 18:13 #74645

    Very funny Bard, love it...'Beep, beep and beep beep, yeah!'

  136. mbg

    Aug 25, 2015, 18:00 #74644

    Guy in Jersey, so so true, post of the day, so far.

  137. Badarse

    Aug 25, 2015, 17:51 #74643

    Ron please repeat after me, 'I must learn to conflate! I missed lone two cornflakes! Eye musk leant t' Kate! Aye mate le'rn t' float! Eh, miss? Learn two pilates! Like my poor old legs, this has run and run, I must lean to pronate! @24601 the sense of justice beats soundly beneath our breasts, live long and prosper my friend...but leave a few bob for the mugs! Barney Curley forever!

  138. Ron

    Aug 25, 2015, 17:42 #74642

    Of course you did clockender.

  139. Dartford gooner

    Aug 25, 2015, 17:40 #74641

    Charlton, less than 10 miles from us. A young kid who can play at full back or centre half the name Gomez. Liverpool paid £3.5 million for him and he goes straight into the team. What the hell are scouts doing for their wages. If the bunch of clowns cannot find anybody better than what we have then its time for them to go.One good thing about last night, Bould got off his arse during the game, first time this season.If Wenger goes most of the coaching staff have to go with him.

  140. mbg

    Aug 25, 2015, 17:32 #74640

    Tee hee it looks like the specialist in winning isn't enemy number one any more, it's not right laughing.

  141. clockender

    Aug 25, 2015, 17:25 #74639

    I can remember watching Man Utd and Liverpool lifting their respective champions leagues in 99,05 and 08.and thinking to myself I'd rather win nothing than have to play that awful brand of football. Arsene Wenger has his faults but he has plenty of class.

  142. mbg

    Aug 25, 2015, 17:22 #74638

    jw, 78803, don't forget his followers too.

  143. Ron

    Aug 25, 2015, 17:20 #74637

    You took it as far as you wanted to take it Badarse and that was to condemn Neville out of hand and leave it there, yet now he apparently spoke sense. Up to your old reversing manoeuvre from that cul de sac you charged into again. Give it up. This new layer of Henry being the sacrificial lamb between those 2 nasty northern bullies could be interesting though. Perhaps you'd like to lecture and educate the plebs on here how that one works or then again, perhaps not. It might call for a cogent argument or heaven forbid, a strident opinion. That old bus analogy is being trotted out a bit lately isnt it? Do us all a favour and buy a ticket.

  144. Westlower

    Aug 25, 2015, 17:12 #74636

    @Badarse I thought it was unprofessional of GN to embarrass TH in that manner live on air. Hopefully Thierry gave him a slap afterwards. TV standards are falling in line with the lust for creating sensationalism. Joan Rivers lives!

  145. Bard

    Aug 25, 2015, 17:10 #74635

    Baddie; buses over the cliff is very apt. Im currently sitting in the back seat of Wengers. I told him he needed to keep the handbrake on but he smiled and said I hadnt worked a day as a bus driver so what did I know. As I write we are heading into oblivion. Ive phoned Gary Neville he said we should have recruited a DM to stop the slide but that its too late now !!

  146. Ron

    Aug 25, 2015, 17:02 #74634

    I bet those 3 CLs Carragher and Neville claimed between them would be sacrificed in a second wouldn't it to have been part of AWs army instead for the last decade. Both limited players though if that s what yr driving it, but both brought characteristics to their respective Clubs that won those CLs, titles and Cups which have been notably absent from Wengers teams in the same period. Youve certainly been imbibed with the myth of Wengers 'beautiful' passing football. Many others too. We all thought it was reality at one time though in fairness to you. Wengers notion of reality that is.

  147. Badarse

    Aug 25, 2015, 16:49 #74633

    Wow, that stirred up a hornets nest. I would agree that GN perhaps speaks a lot of sense, but we never got that far, did we children? As for the set up of a Gooner between a Man U man overstepping the line, and a Liverpool man, where was the fairness? This especially as a link man was present wanting dissension at the very least. Standards plummet all around and most mumble and grumble their largely tacit opposition. Yet the same people endorse and sanctify when it suits their 'agendas'. The bus has gone over the cliff and as it falls an argument rages about who should sit behind the wheel. Gute reise goonercolesyboy.

  148. Bard

    Aug 25, 2015, 16:44 #74632

    Come on Colseyboysetc you dont really believe that do you? 'What if' moments are the refuge of the poor loser. The result is the result, the league table is the league table everything else is irrelevant. All the luck and fortune evens itself out over the long run. By the way I never use phone boxes these days and havent seen anyone in one for years.

  149. clockender

    Aug 25, 2015, 16:39 #74631

    goonercolesyboy-I've always thought there's such a huge overflow of emotion from certain elements of our fanbase when we don't win that I don't even listen to them anymore//as per usual very little said about our game changing disallowed goal.Luckily Arsene Wenger doesn't listen to them either and I've always admired him for that.It's alright for the likes of Neville and Carragher having their digs yet I wouldn't hold their views too much as they played for very limited football teams in the way they expressed themselves so find it all rather sad them having a go at Arsene Wenger in this way.

  150. Hiccup

    Aug 25, 2015, 16:23 #74630

    A win against the Geordies, and the headline will be back to "Signs of hope" again. As you were...

  151. jeff wright

    Aug 25, 2015, 16:16 #74629

    If Ramsey's goal had stood does that really mean with' the dynamics of the game changed ' that we would have won 1-0 >? Liverpool would surely have had to try harder for an equalizer and the way we defended who knows it's impossible to prove. A goal wrongly chalked off with a few minutes to go can reasonably be said to have cost points to the victims - but with 80 minutes and 4 of injury time added that claim is a little less credible. 5 games though out of the last 6 played at home says that scoring goals for us is a big problem and Wenger is struggling to find an answer for it . Giving Wally a new contract and 140k a week though has obviously not solved the no goals but lots of tippy-tappy possesion conundrum.With every man and his dog now knowing we desperately need a goal scoring striker this will have added millions onto the price-tag of any that Arrogant Arsene enquires about,Wally's wages will be a 'bench-mark' pun intended, also for any striker worth his weight in goals to aspire to better in his deal. Well done Arsnee you really are a genius !"%!! You couldn't make it up

  152. Cyril

    Aug 25, 2015, 16:14 #74628

    As my mate says 'it's all a different flavour of bullshxt!

  153. jjetplane

    Aug 25, 2015, 16:05 #74627

    COLSeY Clean and safe - bit like the Emirates on match days. Any news on PETE or has he been nicked for 'tossing WOBS through the air.' Does e propel them like cabers. Such a compelling vision ...... Onwards and eastwards - probably not for the Germans in the last century. Having a Fawlty Towers moment. Basil Wenger and all that .... Carzola does look a bit like ....

  154. Charles

    Aug 25, 2015, 16:01 #74626

    Was Giroud fouled for 2 penalties? Just curious to know as it looked that way from my position in the stand but no-one appealed for them.

  155. Its up for grabs now

    Aug 25, 2015, 15:35 #74625

    Nothing changes and wont until we acquire a manager with thought out tactics, a balanced squad, with a genuine desire to view finishing second as utter failure i.e No fourth placed trophy mentality. Until then, its simply groundhog season after groundhog season, year in year out. Problem is many have been saying this now for donkeys years, but whist the money keeps pouring in, everybody in the boardroom is content with the status quo and so it would seem many supporters blinded by Wenger's supposed brilliance. I simply long for the day, which will one day happen, when Wenger is no longer our manager, just hope to still be around when that day finally arrives! In the meantime the FA Cup remains our most realistic route to winning something as the Premiership and CL remain realistically out of reach with the current set up.

  156. goonercolesyboy

    Aug 25, 2015, 15:29 #74624

    Fine lines and all that. Liverpool have been the beneficiaries of two offsides in their favour and a half hearted push by the Bournemouth centre half that disallowed a good goal. Ramsey's goal stands and the whole dimension of the game changes as does the confidence. The transfer window should close on the first day of the season in my opinion, a needless exercise in keeping sky sports Jim watzhisname in a job. Heading back from Germany tomorrow, a great way of life here, clean and safe, unlike that phone box that the five stooges are stinking out.

  157. mbg

    Aug 25, 2015, 15:15 #74623

    Ron, there you are then, he thinks he's a psychiatrist now. Alsace Lorraine, great post, TOF either refuses or just can't probably a bit of both, this is where his stubbornness, ego, and arrogance come in he'll just not be told or listen to anyone, he'll just bumble on stumbling around doing it his way until the very end.

  158. jjetplane

    Aug 25, 2015, 15:12 #74622

    WEStIE just google Arsene gets mugged again by media and Phil is presently top MBG Henry looked silly inbetween them and they had to nurse him through it. He looked more Wenger than Wenger waffling to himself about belief .... 5 mins of Sky is quite enough for one month ...

  159. jeff wright

    Aug 25, 2015, 15:01 #74621

    The bar-codes away will not be easy Brolly-man got his tactics right against LVG last Saturday to get a unexpected draw at Sold Trafford . He has had experience of Wenger before so no surprises in store to worry about. Arrogant Arsene of course doesn't bother with what the opposition do he just tells Bould to put out the cones for the gnomes to run around in 45 passing moves ending in a goal of the season .Newcastle looked big strong athletic and rather fit -just the sort of side that Arrogant Arsene often struggles against. We got away with it against Palace but despite the possession stats in our favour and some technically superior play the game was in reality won for us by Palace scoring a fortuitous own goal - and just like Liverpool last night - the goal post helped to save us with Cech well beaten. If our home results had been better 6 points instead of one no goals scored and 2 conceded then a draw would be a good result away to Newcastle - as it is though it is now a must win game with Stoke at home up next - usually 3 points that game - then Chelsea away- and that is usually 3 points lost . Lots of pressure on then for the Newcastle game - Arrogant Arsene will have to do a lot better than what he has done so far he can't keep on relying on Lady Luck to help him out because luck is a transient thing and despite the disallowed goal last Arrogant Arsene has had more than his fair-share of it.

  160. Ron

    Aug 25, 2015, 15:00 #74620

    Westie - i think the word arrogant has a gutteral sound which makes it sound insulting really. A player, coach or a pundit and even all of us on here have to have some of it. I cant agree with you that he crossed the line though. Ive re subbed for a yr after squeezing a decent offer from them for the Test Matches and the Rugby WC really, not so much for the footie. Credit due to SKY. Same old hype but its improved overall in many ways to what it was 6 years back when i signed off from it. Generally see the footie in the local pub. What a flop the Test was. England worthy winners but oh dear....dreadful quality! Yes, got the 0-0 but yr forecast of 1-1 would have been fairer though wouldn't it. Im guessing 1-1 at the Toon. I'm going to that as im up at a friends house in Corbridge for a week end. Its a good away day.last went 2004. Paddy V scored - A 1-0 win on NY day that year.

  161. mbg

    Aug 25, 2015, 14:52 #74619

    Ron, 78767, it's early yet give them time. And 78770, yes Neville was spot on and did you hear the stutters of henry trying to defend TOF while carragher and Neville tied him in knots.

  162. Westlower

    Aug 25, 2015, 14:42 #74618

    @Ron, Calling someone arrogant on national TV IS insulting, whether it's AW or LVG on the receiving end. Some are happy to go along with it but I believe GN is abusing the privileged position he's in. The only time I would find it acceptable is if he was referring to Maureen, where the description fits like a glove. Well done on forecasting the correct score of 0-0 as no one else did. I backed the draw at 3/1 without betting on a correct score. On another day it could have finished 4-4 & shades of Arshavin at Anfield. As you are hanging on to GN's every word when did you resubscribe to SKY?

  163. Exeter Gunner

    Aug 25, 2015, 14:40 #74617

    Badarse - your 'logical self' 'submits' that someone is 'stubborn or arrogant' - and then you gaze in hurt innocent wonder when you get some back. Have you ever considered giving up on triggering personal duels and engaging with the football points at hand? In this case (as has already been put to you) coming up with some counters to Neville's actual points? There's a 'challenge' for you.

  164. Bard

    Aug 25, 2015, 14:27 #74615

    Good post Nick; you are quite right we all support the club not the manager, he is passing through, merely a caretaker for however long. The problem as I see it is that Wenger and the board have been clever in spinning a web of falsehoods that many have bought into. Wenger's record since 2004 has been rubbish but there is always an excuse, injuries, project youth, tired from the world cup, money whatever but now we are allegedly on a level playing field its blindingly obvious that he is not up to the job. Have no doubt that he is under massive pressure. Stan needs to be able to hike up those ticket prices and he can't do that easily without there being the illusion of success. No one on the board watching last night and the West Ham game will be under any illusion that trouble lies ahead.

  165. Badarse

    Aug 25, 2015, 14:22 #74614

    Stan, then I misunderstood. There should be no room for racism anywhere, except the dark and dingy one beneath the stairs-homophobia we reserve for the dusty and cobwebbed attic, which only leaves the cupboard under the stairs for sexism-a few who shall remain nameless sit there in the dark sometimes! Ron and I are one and the same person. I don't like me, and me don't like I. All my poisons come out in his posts, though laced with old arsenic, and my logical self is portrayed, along with a long...as a form of self-deluded retribution. I give up on him, then he asks for me to pull the belly button fluff from his naval and I am a Goner, then a Gunner and then a Gooner, and fourthly a CL place.

  166. jjetplane

    Aug 25, 2015, 14:18 #74613

    Something tells me I think he likes it ... Anyway - Wishing WESTIE Well and maybe Phil and Jamie could do a special message for the lad. Ps That Nasri goal was like Pires against Villa. That's the kind of lad you need as a sub. Wonder if he earns as much as the fantastic Theo?

  167. Ron

    Aug 25, 2015, 13:59 #74611

    If only Stan! Comrade Badarse was on here the other week though throwing out his 'challenges' and his barmy dictat proclaiming he was 'giving nobody an easy ride' who spoke against the Clubs direction or the Club itself. He was treated with kid gloves on here for a long, long time especially by the older more able posters and the youngsters tended to bow to his methods. As for me personally hes my own private stalker i think and have been for a long time. Im afraid ive took up his challenges. I tried ignoring him. It didn't work. He alludes to and refers to me even when im abroad and in absentia from the site for several days. In short, hes not having an easy ride from me. I accept its like pulling legs from a spider but hes invited his treatment a long time since. Im just administering the medicine that he loves to dish out himself but doesn't like it in return.

  168. jjetplane

    Aug 25, 2015, 13:58 #74610

    Why can't Wenger and his little acolytes of the fantastic not debate why they have not been a big FOOTBALL club for a decade. Why their tactics are a hilarious perversity in the modern game. They should digest how the Cherries keep it nice and simple and very direct when putting four past West Ham. Will Arsenal score more goals than Bournemouth this season? On current form not such a strange question and I think Neville and Carragher were very compassionate in their analysis of Arsene Disunited but he like his supporters can only retort in the same 'toys out of the pram' fashion. Even WESTIE is getting lost in the mire of defending something that hates at the very idea of defence. Good fun for us circus watchers.

  169. Nick

    Aug 25, 2015, 13:48 #74609

    AKB or AMG ? does it matter ? We're all supposed to fo and support the same TEAM, its the club and the team tbst are important not Wenger, he is a manager doing a job, when he does that job badly it is only right to criticize him, therefore not winning a title since 2004 is doing his job badly, his honours are many but his cock ups are LEGION !! We have had more hammerings and humiliation under this man than under any other boss in our history, yes he has won us many trophies but when you realize that his haul is interspersed by so many barren years and even before 2004 when we had a side that having just won a double failed for the next for the next four years after the departure of the Graham defence his record is not so great, his sub policy is not just annoying it is ridiculous and even when he does make changes they are often bizzare without logic and more often than not fruitless, his insistence of playing players out of position is lunacy, playing Ramsey out wide for instance, the lad is NOT a wide player he tends to slow play down and his penchant for a flicked pass without even looking before doing so can be damaging, the Ox or Theo are better suited to the role or if not them why not use Bellerien there and play Debuchy at right back ? Especially in away games where we are likely to be under pressure. The mans record on transfers is hit and miss for every diamond like Alexis there's a Silvestre or Stephanovs, to say there are no players out there that could improve on what we have is patently untrue, we are not paupers we can afford to shop in Debbenhams at least if not Harrods , I dont know if Charley Austin is available but if he is I think he'd be a good buy he scored goals for a relegation side I'm sure he'd do it for us, but Wenger ive no doubt would not consider him, I doubt he will buy anyone else this window, I have stuck up for him in the past but no more, another also ran season should see him either leave or sacked , but again I doubt that without concerted pressure from the support that it will happen too many support Arsene FC and not Arsenal FC , the good of the club should always be our priority not the good of one individual no matter how decorated !

  170. A thought...

    Aug 25, 2015, 13:47 #74608

    He has earned £70 million since Arsenal last won the league.

  171. Ron

    Aug 25, 2015, 13:42 #74606

    Youre not really worth the effort but as its coffee time ill give it. 78767 - honest jibe at the myriad of well worn AKB excuses. 78770 - honestly held view. 78772 - yet another tireseome eg of your preoccupation with me for which youre well known. 78787 - an honest reference to and a description of a hypocritical, disingenuous dullard. There you go chum. Read and digest.

  172. WENGER MUST GO ASAP(MARCUS)

    Aug 25, 2015, 13:33 #74605

    Again when will the penny drop?? Gary Nevile exposed him last night!! "He is either arrogant or naive" he said and he was right. Thierry Henry knew he was right but because he has to go in everyday at arsenal as he is getting his coaching badges he could not say or agree with Neville as that would be awkward right??? As I have been saying for the last 5 years we won't be winning the league again under Wenger!! 200 million in the bank and the man still refuses to spend!! The Lord who came out a couple weeks ago said we could buy any player we want apart from messi and ronaldo. Why do you think he said that?? He was trying to put pressure on the dinosaur!! THE DICTATOR HAS WAY TOO MUCH POWER!! It's unhealthy for a manager to have that much power at a club the size of arsenal. I keep reading the son stories on twitter from the Wenger fanboys like carl bovis and geoffgooner and they keep coming out with the same guff!! " Wenger could have left to go to Real Madrid" blah blah etc. I replied that do they think he would still be manager of Real Madrid?? Well we all know the answer now!! He would have been sacked within 2 years. He won't have the power he has at arsenal!! That is why he loves staying at arsenal!! As mourinho loves reminding us. Wenger has the easiest job out all the top clubs. Under no pressure to mount a title challenge let alone win one! Has no consequences for failure. It's a utter joke. Away going back to gary Neville's point, I think Wenger is both arrogant and naive. Arrogant because he actually thinks he can win the title with tippy tappy football yet it has failed for 10 years!! Naive because the man is 68 or whatever and he loves talking about he's experience of 20 years yet he went from a winning formula of powerful direct football to tippy tappy no guts cowards football. Yet still persists with it!! Also whenever he is questioned like he was last night as it was brought up in he's post match interview q&a, he brought up the usual guff of having managed for 20 years looool. The man is totally clueless, why does he love using that line?? It makes him come across as a narcissist totally unawares he's own delusions!! The man is just a laughing stock now!! He has to go! Unfortunately the club is owned by the wrong folks. Kronke is just a clown, I doubt Wenger would still be in the job at a club with ambitions of winning the pl?? Look at brendan rogers he almost got sacked last season, yet the season before he almost won the pl. At arsenal we would have been having a celebration if we almost won the pl and it would have kept Wenger in the job for 10 more years smh!!

  173. clockender

    Aug 25, 2015, 13:31 #74604

    Who care what Neville says,yes he played for a successful team under a manager who won at all costs,yet they also played some pretty horrible football.

  174. Ron

    Aug 25, 2015, 13:28 #74603

    Westlower - you ought to perhaps play Nevilles words back before you rant like a baying donkey. Not one word was abusive. Not one word was insulting. Not one word was used inappropriately and not once was he personally disparaging to Wenger or any player. Neither was Carragher. Im sure Mr Henry would have taken issue had they have been so. In fact Henry took the points raised, queried them and offered his own counter view and perspective in an intelligent way. Neville spoke in a manner befitting his job as an England Coach and didnt trangress at all. Sounds like your brand of spin, of which yr rant is a bit more of yr usual, is now flavoured by Badarse falsity and posturing. Heavens above, dont become like him/her. You at least have some respectability as the vanguard of AWs supporters (youre the only lucid defender of his regime on here!) on the site. To lose that would be a shame. Read and digest yr post chum, see the bigger picture but keep your own shoes on for yr morning constitutional. I suspect Badarse s hush puppies stink to high heaven.

  175. Stan

    Aug 25, 2015, 13:27 #74602

    I'm not sure what you're referring to Badarse. My post was a response to a post by Jamerson/Thaddeus or whatever he's calling himself today, about why his posts keep getting deleted and the insinuation that it was because he was not a WOB. I merely pointed out that your posts (which incidentally I enjoy as they provide some balance which makes the site more interesting in my view) were not deleted so that could not be the sole reason. Ron and you clearly don't like each other so perhaps you could be better ignoring each others posts rather than trading insults. Just a thought.

  176. Mark from Aylesbury

    Aug 25, 2015, 13:23 #74601

    true Fact - is Wenger your very own Jesus?

  177. Bard

    Aug 25, 2015, 13:18 #74600

    Baddie get a grip mate. Gary Neville is an irrelevance. It doesnt matter what his agenda is or whether what he says makes sense or not. If you've watched football for more than 5 minutes you will know that we were abject for the first 45 minutes last night. It wasnt a one off, we weren't 'robbed' by the referee. We were hopelessly disorganised. Surely the responsibility for this state of affairs lies with the manager. Are we going to challenge for anything other than the fac ? No.

  178. mbg

    Aug 25, 2015, 13:10 #74599

    Europa in the final year of his contract ? how ignominious alright for TOF, and very fitting indeed and what he deserves to be sent on his merry way with.

  179. Badarse

    Aug 25, 2015, 12:59 #74598

    Stan I challenge you to reread posts 78767-a clear sideswipe at the club, (possibly justified), 78770-the first post unchallenged so a second promoting GN. A response in post 78772-suggesting GN has an agenda, as does Ron, which influences what they may say and the fashion their words are couched. Post 78787-a diatribe by Ron in a manner we are accustomed to. What should be deleted chum, and why?

  180. Red Member

    Aug 25, 2015, 12:57 #74597

    we are very close to being back at Stoke away December last year. if we lose at Newcastle we will have reached it. Progress? Hardly. It is the same old same old. Do not pay for tickets. If you do then you are supporting Wenger and paying Girouds wages. Think about that.

  181. Mark from Aylesbury

    Aug 25, 2015, 12:57 #74596

    West lower - you'll be waiting a long time for a pundit to become a manager. Why should they they already have s fortune and punditry has got to be good for 1m per year. But what do you want from a pundit? Straight bat critique ala Shearer? Neville has been getting good reviews for being incisive and independent. He has along with Scholes given UTD a battering as well. Let's stop this silly agenda stuff the guy has won everything in the game and genuinely appears to admire the 2004 team.

  182. mbg

    Aug 25, 2015, 12:51 #74595

    Was there any belief that we'd mount a title challenge in the first place Kev? of course in some quarters there was (there always is) this is our year and all that crap, but a lot of fans have known better for a long time now and more are realising it by the day. Gary Neville is spot on, arrogance on TOF's part and arrogance of the highest calibre, but some of us have known that for a long time too.

  183. Peter Wain

    Aug 25, 2015, 12:49 #74594

    same old same old. Could have bought Schindlering didn't and look how open we are. Midfield a disaster and the movement up front non existent. Need at least three/four players and get rid of Arteta and Falmini. We cannot score at home because we are too slow so why not have the Ox and Walcott on sooner. Another season another period of wasted opportunity. Go Yank take that snake oil salesman and your cronies on the board with you and lets have a new manager and coaching staff.

  184. jjetplane

    Aug 25, 2015, 12:47 #74593

    'ate you Butler!' WESTIE s the new Blakey .... Have you now got your darts trained on Phil instead of Jose! Lol! EG saw that 'I'm going into that here ..' The arrogance of a very tired 'CEO' .....

  185. Know Man

    Aug 25, 2015, 12:41 #74592

    @Wenger Out Now. Ozil is useless. We"re playing with 10 men effectively. If you want to see a number 10 watch Silva, Courtinhio, Cesc or Mata for players that consistently influence matches. All these players are small yet have the skill and desire to make things happen. When Ozil screws up, it's usually Girouds fault. As for our team, AW hung Chambers out to dry, with no game time, thrown into the cauldron, no leaders beside him, what did we expect to happen, give the lad a chance. Instead, he is playing under intense pressure in a team with no spine, strength or leadership. Finally, I would listen and take note of Gary Neville, he has won the lot and knows what he's talking about, yes we may not like his comments but the truth hurts!

  186. Mark T

    Aug 25, 2015, 12:39 #74591

    There will be more of this to come. Why are we surprised? Why bother getting angry by it? You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. And smashing yourself over the head with a bucket won't make him drink either. Wenger is incapable of doing anything other than what he does. So this will keep happening until he's not in charge. Simples. Against West Ham people on my row were talking about winning the league and Cech saving us 15 points a season. All I could think was that they'd been round to a certain player's house having a puff of his laughing gas. Dare to dream and all that. And it's no point saying this is a make or break season. Every season for the last five years or so has been one of those. And don't count your chickens that another contract won't be signed. There's no reason why we won't be having the same conversations in five years time.

  187. jjetplane

    Aug 25, 2015, 12:36 #74590

    RED MEMBEr good shout of voting with your feet and I threw in my ST a decade ago. Havbe I missed anything? Ironic that the most vocal of the dwindling AKB right-wing faction on here also have opted to not Ever attend a match to honour their Guru. That is too hilarious. QUESTION having a hard time expressing your philosophy of the beautiful game? Excellent stuff JW - oh Fantastic Life! Ollie must be wondering why some defenders are not like these adoring fans in the East who if asked which one was the Benign Giroud would laugh and say 'Manchester City Yes!' Fantastic game.

  188. Seven Kings Gooner

    Aug 25, 2015, 12:29 #74589

    Ron : agree with you about Benteke I think he could be Liverpool's new Heskey.

  189. Westlower

    Aug 25, 2015, 12:14 #74588

    Gary Neville must believe he's a legend in his own mind. He's got some cheek to call other people arrogant when some humility & respect wouldn't go amiss instead of abusing others from the safe haven of the Sky studios. I'm sure there must be many coaches/managers/players who are waiting for GN to have a go at managing a club. Beware who you upset on your way to the top Mr Neville as they'll be waiting for you when you're on your way down. It must be a real ego rub to pontificate about the faults of others with replays & camera shots from all angles to justify his words. I find it cowardly to attack people who cannot instantly respond to his rhetoric. Sadly, many are influenced by articulate presenters on our TV screens. Looking forward to seeing you in the managerial hot seat one day Gary Neville when your every move will be analysed, critised, replayed, chewed over & spat out. You'll get yours one day sunshine!

  190. Exeter Gunner

    Aug 25, 2015, 12:11 #74587

    "If you cannot work it out for yourselves then it's a hopeless task in discussing." How convenient. Yes, Neville is a Man U man. What about the actual points he made though, where's the counter? Reminds me of Wenger saying last night "I could prove why that isn't right, but now isn't the time for that debate". It never is the time, is it? I wonder whom takes their cue from whom?

  191. jjetplane

    Aug 25, 2015, 12:05 #74586

    'The flaccid spine' seems perfectly apt for this amazingly dispassionate club that wants not to tackle, to score, to even win! WESTIE thought you might carry on your bleat about 'we wuz robbed' but if the goal had been given a different game may well have developed with Liverpool as possibly 4-1 winners. Cannot imagine Cech will keep up such performaces for a season and Coq should have gone last night as well as at Palace. Too much on his plate and his only help is Carzola who certainly understands the game better than Wenger - but then won does not? Poor old BADDIE - still sniping at RON's heels but I think we know who is on here to talk about the game and who is on here in chatroom capacity. Coq should not be under so much pressure at an apparently big club and if/when he is suspended and Cech goes wobbly the team will be left with a German who would rather dance on a stage or call himself a world cup winner though having little to do with it. Cannot wait for the tedium of CL football and the next humilation because this club needs to be put out of it's current misery. Meanwhile got a little FA Cup qualifier to see on Saturday at 3 after finishing work. Adddd Good old football - still happens in some places. Monday Night Lights really does not do it .....

  192. Badarse

    Aug 25, 2015, 12:02 #74585

    Does he have an agenda? Is he male or female? What is his agender? Why worry. If you cannot work it out for yourselves then it's a hopeless task in discussing. Was it a request to focus on that aspect primarily? Was it to focus on a requesting primate? Is his gender a prime number?I just wanted that recognition before the custard pie hurling began-it was a plaintive attempt. Play amongst yourselves childrens!

  193. jeff wright

    Aug 25, 2015, 11:55 #74584

    Was it only a few weeks ago that Wenger and our players were assuring us that we would be challenging for the Prem title this season . It all looked so rosy back then after the 'perfect performance' against woeful Villa in the Cup Final had papered over the limp finish in the league by us - with the failure to finish ahead of City - who despite having a points deficit against us and with us having a game in hand on them - easily brushed aside our challenge cruising past us like a Ferrari for 2nd place with a string of impressive wins home and away - while we stuttered at home in our games like an old banger with a dodgy carburettor phut...phut...phut... . Despite this however some claimed that we and not City were the obvious challengers to Chelsea with City's title chances written off... It's amazing what a Cup Final win can do for some folks sense of perspective...! But the reality check was always only one game away with this Arsene side living in the same old Arsene comfort zone this being shown by Arteta getting a new contract and Wally also - plus 140k a week to sit on the bench watching 'Rambo' playing in his place . After a brief experiment with Wally up front Wenger obviously decided that big Olly, although slower than wet varnish drying in the rain, was a better alternative.So no goals in his last 6 played at home Olly is better than Wally up front and no pace at all 'Rambo' is preferred to the fleet-footed one out wide. Many find this new contract and wages that Wally is on rather baffling. No doubt though Wenger knows best. Just as he does with all of the playing players out of position and his always pre-match fixed substitutions, that take no account of how the game is panning out - and the same old ( yawn) tipy-tappy failed tactics that Wenger wheels out like a bin full of old rubbish in every-game . The inept defending and no cutting edge up front produces an odd sort of tense scenario with games now on a knife-edge from start to finish. Ramsey's early goal should have stood but it was a close call and Rooney had a similar one ruled out against Newcastle last Saturday... that game also finished 0-0 and looked very deja vu our one last night United couldn't score another goal in the 85 or so minutes they had to do so and neither could we in our game . Cech making top saves and Liverpool hitting the post twice is brushed aside by Wenger, who like LVG also did blamed the linesman for the 0-0 . It's roundabouts and swings though we have had off-side goals given and opponents ones wrongly ruled out and no doubt we will receive these blessings again in the future -that's football. Meanwhile back in la la land Giroud fondly reflects on memories of the Asia Cup in Singapore… saying that : "We went to see the Gardens By the Bay in the middle of the week and it was fantastic. Almost everything is brand new [there ], it’s fantastic. We went to the Marina Bay Sands as well and the view is fantastic. People are amazing. I knew that we have a lot of fans all over the world but every time I’m surprised by their kindness the fans here are fantastic . They always support us and it’s really fantastic . We are thankful for all this fantastic support ." All I can say fantastic.

  194. Seven Kings Gooner

    Aug 25, 2015, 11:34 #74582

    Well written piece as usual Kev - I felt very sorry for young Chambers in that opening half, you can see that any traces of confidence have been drained from him. Being played as a full back in his early games with us hasn't helped and then more nonsense about him being a DM player, it is no wonder he looks shot. Thankfully as Arsenal have gradually had the passion for the game removed from them, I likewise view their performance very objectively and whilst I want them to win, lets face it guys this is not how I want to remember my team. Gary Neville spoke very well about what Arsenal are lacking and given the honours he has won, why would have an agenda?

  195. Ron

    Aug 25, 2015, 11:21 #74580

    Westie - Benteke will miss like that. Hes an OK player. Not top drawer. It was a genuine effort at goal though. Giroud was pre occupied with conning a pen when he went down, under no contact instead of standing up and just hammering it in. Hes very much a poser and gets stick accordingly. Benteke on the contrary is very much the 90 minute grafter and i doubt he d get stick for missing, playing the same game if in an AFC shirt. Liv have paid a lot of money for him, too much probably for what his game brings, but trying to hide Girouds failings behind Benteke's is just another spin job. Giroud didnt enjoy one minute of that last night. He was given some close attention and its obvious hes not keen on the physical stuff.

  196. Guy in Jersey

    Aug 25, 2015, 11:19 #74579

    Roland Browning is right, Wenger has "prepared the club very well for a new man to see AFC fulfil its potential". Unfortunately, that's what we need, a new man - not a tired, blinkered, tactically clueless control freak. Wenger has contributed enormously to this club, but his contribution diminishes year on year. He's never been a great coach, and is now being continually outthought by other managers. It's not enough having a squad of great players (even if you're light in a couple of departments), if you don't use them effectively, deploy an inflexible playing style, and aren't able to think on your feet. Wenger, please collect your pension at the end of the season, and walk away. Most decent coaches could improve your team.

  197. Exeter Gunner

    Aug 25, 2015, 10:39 #74578

    I can't think of anything more stubborn and arrogant than dismissing someone else as 'stubborn and arrogant' whilst failing to offer a single counter-point to any of the points they have made.

  198. Googled "list of leading european strikers"

    Aug 25, 2015, 10:35 #74577

    And this is what I found... 17. Olivier Giroud (Arsenal, FRA) He may not be beloved in North London, but Giroud is certainly one of the top strikers around. While he struggles with his finishing on occasion—only 18 goals across all competitions—his ability to hold up play and find the runs of playmakers like Alexis Sanchez and Mesut Ozil was marvelous. His effort is also commendable, evidenced by the game-high 71 sprints he made against Liverpool in the 4-1 win at the Emirates. Whats happened?

  199. Torbay gooner

    Aug 25, 2015, 10:29 #74576

    This match perfectly encapsulated what a lot of knew before a ball was kicked this season. We don't have a clinical striker, we need a quality defensive midfielder, Ozil as the playmaker rarely effects the outcome of a match and does not appear to like to shoot(contrast with Coutinho), but most of all we have a manager, who a significant number of the fan-base believe is not fit to manage any kind of serious title challenging assault. The reasons why, have been explained enough times on this particular forum. Yes agreed with a lot of what Neville said last night, whilst Henry looked rather uncomfortable. A decent nil nil for the neutrals at least to enjoy!

  200. Red Member

    Aug 25, 2015, 10:26 #74575

    when are the protests starting? anyone who keeps paying for tickets at Arsenal is propping up a dictatorship. i have said it before and I will say it again, the biggest problem at Arsenal are the supporters. If more people had the guts to not attend then the club would have had to act.

  201. AMG

    Aug 25, 2015, 10:24 #74574

    All that money in the bank is really helping us so far this season.... oh no wait...

  202. Bard

    Aug 25, 2015, 10:16 #74573

    We can, and will, debate the game and I have no doubt that we will put in much better performances than last night but the crucial issue here is that we were led to believe that this was a squad good enough to challenge for the major trophies. Those that swallowed Wenger's pre season guff cannot now be left in any doubt that as far as putting together a major challenge the season is over after 3 games. The team doesnt have the requisite personnel or the right mental attitude to make a proper fist of it and never did have. The worrying thing about last night was the collective incompetence. Gary Neville may or may not have an agenda but the real cause for concern is the club's agenda. They spin this rubbish about how big a club we are and how we are going to try to win this and that knowing full well that its a load of garbage. We usually get to Christmas before the wheels come off but we are not even in September. For the club's hierarchy this is an unmitigated disaster so far. I would fully expect us to panic buy at least 2 players in the next week or the 'Wenger out' protests will be ringing round the ground pretty soon.

  203. Rob

    Aug 25, 2015, 10:14 #74572

    I see Gary Neville had a go at Wenger. Well more power to his elbow because someone needs to. He spent the whole summer telling us that a good start was paramount. Two home games - no goals - one point - and if you exclude the go at Palace, we've scored once in three outings. And we're going to challenge City and Chelsea right up until May ? If we get turned over at Newcastle - and we could well be - then there's be a more than plausible argument to say - assuming City win again - that they are out of sight and it's not yet September. The AGM's due in October isn't it ? That should be fun.

  204. Nick

    Aug 25, 2015, 10:11 #74571

    Here we go AGAIN, three games in and already were adrift of the league leaders, a good start is essential in the prem these days everyone knows it Wenger even said it,but the first game our players were not up for, the second was a bit better though it took an own goal to secure the win, after wed created enough to win two games, last night was a nightmare of ineptitude in the first half by our team in defense and by the officials,the second half was equally nightmarish as we worked hard and turned the balance of play round in our favour but the chances went a begging. So we have NOT had that needed " good" start so by our managers own admission we are more than likely out of the race, if he does not do what most with half a brain know that we SHOULD, and actually STRENGTHEN the squad in the right areas ie defence and attack with either an experience cb to cover for injury and one of either a class striker ora goal scoring winger then expect yet another season of inconsistency where we hammer the odd lightweight but fall short against the heavy's, and where the feat of winning three FA cups in a row is our ONLY hope of success. We do have a collection of very good and promising players but we do NOT have a title winning squad, and THAT is down to the manager, if as I suspect he will, he sits on his hands and bemoans the lack of quality available and buys NO ONE ELSE, then maybe a foray in January to aid a top four challenge, then I for one will say ENOUGH !if he does that he is taking us all for suckers, even the most rabid of his supporters surely would see through him then , if they have the ability of independent thought that is. One swallow doesn't make a summer nor do thee games define a season, but when you have seen the same thing happening year after year for over a decade then surely you must give credence to those who say the climate has changed and agree they are not crackpots after all but have a valid point !

  205. Ron

    Aug 25, 2015, 10:10 #74570

    Badarse - Another poor effort from you. I thought GN was very impartial. Its clear that he wants AFC to do well, to play as he knows the Club at its peak once did and more importantly, he recognises that they have the resources to do so. He even stated that he would like AFC to win a title more so than the top 2 powerhouses. Youre a very closed minded, rude person Badarse, far too blinkered and biased to cope with views that dont accord with your own. You see AFC as youre own private possession and we all know youre deeply challenged by views that counter yr own and my views in particular, not that youve ever really given a cogent view or standpoint of yr own. Take yr strait jacket off and for once , grow up and give up the trolling. Youre a bore and theres no body worse for agendas and pettiness on here than you.Its Neville with 'agendas' though? Hope so much he never walks a mile in yr shoes.

  206. Tony Evans

    Aug 25, 2015, 10:10 #74569

    No width, players played out of position, ineffectual substitution, toothless striker, not enough bite in midfield; all in all another classic Wenger night. I stopped expecting anything different years ago so at least it doesn't come as any surprise.

  207. TJ

    Aug 25, 2015, 10:00 #74568

    I have to say my interest in Arsenal has seriously waned lately. As long as Wenger is in charge we are not going to genuinely compete for the title, and even the FA Cup successes are unlikely to be repeated. I wouldn't mind at all if I didn't know there was so much that could be done to make us a strong team. The makeup of the team is inherently flawed on its own. That Cazorla 'assist' to Ramsey last night was superb and I genuinely think he's a better playmaker than Ozil. We put him there his first season to adapt to the role and he was by the end really showing promise. Ozil is a luxury player only- OK it must be awful creating for Giroud, a sloth who can only score regularly from crosses anyway, but his lack of mettle makes him a passenger. He has to play there however, because of the fee we paid for him. Then we look at Giroud up front- we could have had Higuain with the money spent on Ozil, or most of the money Liverpool wanted for Suarez. I actually like Walcott, but as soon as he gets handed a hefty 140k per week he's on the bench. He is much more dynamic than Giroud and we would do better with him in the starting line up.

  208. Roland Browning

    Aug 25, 2015, 10:00 #74567

    Brendan Rodgers got it spot on in the first half before Wenger reacted at the break. Brendan did the most simple thing he needed to do when he read the team news at 7pm. Change the park the bus / counter attack plan to press high up the pitch, crowd the penalty area when Arsenal are in the final third and don’t allow his full backs to cross the half way line. Very simple. Very effective and forced error after error and how they didn’t go in two or three up at the break no one knows. Wengers game plan was as his team selection usually is – predictable and uninspiring. 50% of our attacking play was down the left flank with 26% central. In the closing stages Liverpool knew they only had to focus on one area. I personally believe there is an unhealthy favouritism of Ramsey. He is dangerous making late runs in but from open play offers little width and fails to open the right side, evident by lack of overlap with Bellerin as opposed to Monreal. To play two inexperienced centre backs against Benteke without pacey outlets wide invited pressure. Oxlaide should have started wide right. With Theo, their introductions surely were too late. We kept a clean sheet – just but I feel different about Cech now after West Ham, now that I can see the reasons we bought him are very much still there. A rare plus last night. The danger for me though is although Badarse correctly sees Nevilles agenda in influencing others with his easy jibes he can point to the stats as lack of progress. We are treated to technical football that is the envy of the world season after season and yet we have not scored in 5 out of the last 6 home games. A certain approach does work against Arsenal. Swansea and West Ham I fear will not the last teams to take all 3 points at the Emirates this year. I believe Wenger has limited options to address the small but important number of deficiencies he has in his squad. When you look at the offensive players left out of the starting 11 last night (Ox, Walcott, Rosicky, Wilshere in the main), you see just how dependant Arsene has become on Cazorla and in particular Ozil. Only one of these can play in my opinion. Especially at home. Runs in behind are coming more from Monreal than the front three and that is why the opposition game plan is working. We looked more aggressive in the second period and I applaud the decision to replace Coquelin with more attacking threat, but Ox for Ozil or Cazorla was surely the right call. Mezut Ozil is a very fine player (at Real Madrid) but I only saw in glimpses last night what he will need to do every week if he is to influence games as his price tag would suggest. By the way I thought Gabriel was magnificent and with Kos we have an assured pairing for years to come. I am as despondent about results and performances as everyone else but one thing is for sure...Wenger might have favourites, not see the deficiencies, refuse to spend to keep achievement in line with expectation and so on BUT he will have prepared the club very well for a new man to see AFC fulfil its potential. For that at least I am very grateful. I will be eternally sad that the Emirates project will not have the fairy tale ending we all wanted for Wenger. He will not win the league with his players and his tactics. He will be close but “Thats all Folks”...

  209. jeff wright

    Aug 25, 2015, 9:51 #74566

    Wenger is obviously arrogant and stubborn he is also very delusional and these three characteristics have led him to the situation that he is now in. Wenger was the one who knew best about youth project- despite all the evidence to the contrary he still claimed that the likes of Denilson ( remember him Badarse ?) Bendtner and co would shortly dominate football... you couldn't make it up... Wenger was the one despite all the OBVIOUS evidence to the contrary who claimed that Almunia was a great GK and even suggested he should be picked to play for England ! Wenger even made the clown captain at one time... delusional and arrogant doesn't even come into it... Wenger is the one who has persisted with his attempt to play tika-taka despite constantly failing to even mount any title challenge and suffering the worst defeats in AFC history by playing his tippy-tappy Barca Lite football ... Wenger is the one who refused to admit that we needed a holding midfield player and only by chance due to injuries had to employ Coq in that role after he had been sent out on loan to Charlton... Coq at least provided some cover for our shaky defence last night making a couple of good timely tackles... I don't know what all the fuss is about regarding the usual two suspects plodding Per and Krazy Kos being out because they are hardly rocks of stability when they play ... only stubborn arrogant desperate Arsene would have take off Coq last night near the end to leave the defence exposed .. the result was that Liverpool nearly snatched a late winner ... arrogant Arsene would have looked like an even bigger fool then. Cech was by far the busier GK of the pair and that tells the true story.

  210. Red Member

    Aug 25, 2015, 9:47 #74565

    we have now not scored in 5 of the last 6 PL games played at home. It really is amazing that there is no striker in the world available who can make this team better

  211. Westlower

    Aug 25, 2015, 9:31 #74564

    Once it was known both CB's would be missing there was a good case of playing Debuchy instead of Bellerin to replace the experience of BFG & Kos. Two virgins who had never played together before were always likely to struggle against a Liverpool side with their tails up after winning both their opening games. Bellerin was not able to help out the CB's in the way that Debuchy would have been able to. Cech, Monreal & Coq earned their wages & Ramsey ran his heart out. If his good goal had counted it may have changed the dynamic of the game at an early stage. These repeated wrong decisions are getting past a joke now. Giroud & Alexis should have scored & the lack of goals especially at home is partly becoming a mental block. The Ox needs a regular starting place in the team as he probably has the hardest shot in the club & isn't afraid to have a go from distance. In the event Skrtel had our best effort avoiding an own goal by the skin of his teeth. Benteke missed a sitter, what would we have been saying about his miss from point blank range if he wore an Arsenal shirt - are you Giroud in disguise? The best way to beat park the bus tactics is to focus on a fast start & get that early goal in the bag. How frustrating to achieve just that in the 9th minute only for it to be wrongly ruled out? Liverpool are riding their luck have been beneficiaries of wrong calls on two occasions already this season.

  212. Mark from Aylesbury

    Aug 25, 2015, 9:25 #74563

    Badarse - Neville may or may not have an agenda but it doesn\'t mean he is necessarily wrong. Wenger changed his style of play post Viera and since then it has been barren timed with the exception of the two cups. Even if it was just down to cash you would have expected Arsenal to slowly fade out with maybe an odd premiership in say a 3 - 4 season block. But it\'s been nowt and that coincides with project youth and tippy tappy. That is never going to be enough on the muddy northern pitches. 10 years of that with little adjustment to fit circumstances. Arrogant, stubborn ..... Surely not!

  213. King Jeremy

    Aug 25, 2015, 9:20 #74562

    Mathew - "Its fair to say that we need to ditch our style and tactics depending on the opposition". You, I and a growing portion of fans can see it, but the man on £8million a year can't or won't. Still, we've never worked 5 minutes in football, so what do we know?

  214. Alsace Lorraine du recherche le temps perdu

    Aug 25, 2015, 9:15 #74561

    We have seen it a hundred times before. Something is wrong on the pitch. It needs changing. Everyone can see that it does. OGL refuses to see the issue. He has three players he can throw into the mix to replace his misfiring first choices, but he only throws on the one who won't really make a difference on his own. He gives the player who should have started the game, 7 minutes plus injury time to get us out of trouble. Yesterday is the sort of evening where I wish that Mr Wenger could be taken to the stands ( or indeed the club) unwell, leaving S.Bould to take the rational decisions necessary. OGL will point to a goal we should have been given and refuse to see the miracle that we didn't concede four before half time to a very ordinary but well drilled Liverpool side. I would like to comment that only death could seperate the board from their man, but I fear that in that event, they would still refuse to appoint a proper manager, preferring to listen still to OGL, through the medium of a spiritualist. No progress and no fun. The specialist in failure lurches from one lash up to another in a consequence free environment.

  215. Mark from Aylesbury

    Aug 25, 2015, 9:15 #74560

    Suicidal in defense it drew me to Ruud Hullit on MOTD last week when he said Arsenal always give the ball away. We always seem to play on the edge of our capacity. The exception being city away last year when at last we played pragmatic stuff. Liverpool could have romped home last night if it were not for Cech and the woodwork. Wenger is Clough reincarnated and unfortunately I mean the Clough of the 90s . The board are saying similar things to Forest as well

  216. Mathew

    Aug 25, 2015, 9:04 #74559

    It was suicidal to send Chambers and Paulista to handle Benteke, had shivers while going thru the lineup. Glad that we got things going in second half, still lacking the final cutting edge though. I feel Ox should be developed as a central striker than a winger, his pace, vision and not being shot-shy is much better than Theo. The blue print to windup Arsenal is out, man-mark them, keep it tight, let them weave their tiki-taka in the middle of the park and keep the box crowded because everyone knows they wont shoot. Its fair to say that we need to ditch our style and tactics depending on the opposition.

  217. Wear Your Colours

    Aug 25, 2015, 8:52 #74558

    It was an absorbing game to watch. In the first half we got ourselves into trouble with some wayward passing from the back as they pressed high up the pitch. But when we lost the ball we responded pretty well as both Coquelin and Gabriel made some fantastic recovery tackles in our box. Cech also made a couple of great saves too. Second half we dominated territory but just couldn't find that opening. Their keeper made several good saves.I thought Gabriel played very well and his performance bodes well for the future. Not the flying start to the season we hoped for, but good to secure our first clean sheet. Let's hope we start banging in the goals soon. COYG!

  218. King Jeremy

    Aug 25, 2015, 8:51 #74557

    Same old same old. 90 minutes of banging our heads against the same brick wall, using all our "mental strength", all as directed by the man on £8million a year, and when that doesn't work blames everyone but himself. Tonight's suspects appear to be a goal wrongly disallowed (score another one then!), Gary Neville (who is bang on the money Arsene!) and Liverpool "parking the bus" (are you spotting a theme here Wenger?). We have scored 1 goal in open play (yes, I know the stats show 2 but I do not count the OG) in 3 games - that would terrify any other manager of ambition in this league. But not OGL - Giroud continues to labour up front but clearly does not have the ability or quality to be the front man for any title challenging team. "top, top quality" is not available apparently but our rivals (ha ha) don't seem to have such troubles. Does the man realise how foolish he looks with statements like "we will only sign players where we can improve on what we have". Only bright spots last night were Cech looking good and Gabriel showing he clearly has a pair. 5 points to make up on the leaders and it's not even September...nice. Near enough looks like yet again being good enough.

  219. Badarse

    Aug 25, 2015, 8:48 #74556

    Ron, try to focus on one point at a time, please. Neville has an agenda. He is relatively articulate and knows his football-a little like yourself. He has this agenda though, which colours all he has to say-a little like yourself. He determined that AW is either stubborn or arrogant, this shows a marked inability to stretch his understanding beyond the basic-a little like yourself. If I determined that you were stubborn or arrogant it might be an equally two-dimensional assessment but would only gain credence by those of my ilk reading these posts-just as Neville's words only gain credence from those like yourself listening to him. He does have the wider audience of course which makes him a bigger danger but both can be equally infectious, especially for those who need a ready made picture. I therefore submit that Neville making that statement alone marks him as either stubborn or arrogant-your supporting post tars you with the same brush.

  220. Ron

    Aug 25, 2015, 8:25 #74554

    Bard - You know very well that they were title no hopers before the season even started. For the first time last night i actually gave some time to listen to the Neville/Carragher stuff. Not sure if you did, but credit due, they hit so many nails on the head about AFC, the type of players theyve bought since 2004, the types they employ now, the method of play, the clubs mentality, Ozil, Giroud and so much more. Im sure the AKBs will shout 'bias' at both of them and the usual rubbish theyve convinced themselves with about the Club, but the 2 blokes analysis was in my view spot on.

  221. jeff wright

    Aug 25, 2015, 8:16 #74553

    Ron, Some genius will point out that we must be progressing because we have won 2 FAC's - of course Wigan and Portsmouth won the same trophy as well ,oh...! Panic buy late trolley dash time again>?

  222. Bard

    Aug 25, 2015, 8:10 #74552

    I wonder whether the tide has well and truly turned. We are almost out of the title race and its not even Sept. ( City have to lose 2 games more than us as it stands). The clamour to sign someone up front in the coming week will intensify as will the price as every Tom Dick and Harry knows we need a striker. Its a situation that the Boss hates. Wenger is damned if he does and damned if he doesnt. What will the fans feel about pitching up to the Emirates for the next 5 months knowing that the most that is on offer is a top 4 finish ? @ where's wally great post mate very funny.

  223. Ron

    Aug 25, 2015, 8:07 #74551

    Isnt it time to roll out the 'a game we would have lost last year' or 'we ground out a point when playing badly'or 'our young players just need time to build confidence' or 'its early and there are 35 games to go' or better still ' only one team wanted to play football' or maybe even 'once all of our players are back from injury we look good to go'. Hmm, could be though that its just plain old 'fatigue' and that players are still recovering from those pesky 'grueling' pre season flights back from Asia. Couldn't possibly be because Arsenal are just not very good.

  224. Daryn

    Aug 25, 2015, 8:04 #74550

    Ozil is just not cut out for English football we've been playing with ten men for two years but wenger just don't get it the squad is to unbalance we need an inforcer in midfield end a top forward to even stand a chance to win the league

  225. jeff wright

    Aug 25, 2015, 7:56 #74549

    it's a results game with Cech being our man of the match by entertaining us with his saves - to help us get a 0-0 draw at home - this shows where we are at now when this is considered to be exciting to watch.

  226. dirkus

    Aug 25, 2015, 7:34 #74548

    Instead of wasting money on a new contract for the perennial bench warmer, who showed his usual sloppy control when he finally came on, Clouseau should be freshening a squad that finished a distant 3rd last year. But it wasn't just him, Giroud had one of his sulky performances and was totally ineffectual, Rambo back to doing pointless, possession losing flicks. Yet another home blank. Were the poor dears "nervous" again? Sorry to say Chambers looked like a rabbit in headlights, the new Cygan, Senderos, Djourou even Gus Caesar. VERY frustrating and arrogant from Arsene to think this lot are good enough. COYG

  227. Where's Wally is a Gooner

    Aug 25, 2015, 7:06 #74547

    It's a very tired and stale marriage between Wenger and many of us. It's tempting to sign up to Ashley Madison and see if the likes of Klopp or Ancelotti are ready to put their little black dresses on.

  228. Wenger Out Now

    Aug 25, 2015, 6:56 #74546

    Said it before will say it again Ozil is not worth a starting place.Cazorla and Ramsey are being played out of position to accommodate him.Rambo god bless he is being shafted by Clueless who keeps playing him on the wing.Cech was brilliant world class .Chambers brought back memories of Stephanovs at his peak.As for Giroud when will the penny drop he's not good enough.The bottom line is we wont win the title for a 12th season but the board want Wenger to stay for life.Another Groundhog season.Enjoy

  229. Smithy

    Aug 25, 2015, 6:49 #74545

    Positive points from last night / young Francis , Peter and Gabriel . Negatives offensive midfield and the American fridge freezer called Giroud.

  230. colesy

    Aug 25, 2015, 6:27 #74544

    Same old outcome from Wenger. 4 points and just 2 goals from his team in 3 matches. Not going to challenge for a title (lol) but more likely to struggle qualifying for Europe. Others are active in the market (buying super quality that Wenger says isn't there) and improving their squad and competitive advantage. Wenger must go at the end of the contract and NOT be given a new deal.