#FlashbackFriday – Newcastle Away

Part two of a look back at visits to Saturday’s opponents



#FlashbackFriday – Newcastle Away

Koscielny: Vital goal at season’s end in 2013


In the close season of 1988/89, with an increase in TV revenue as well as the income from the sale of Paul Gascoigne, Newcastle significantly invested on the playing side, after raiding FA Cup winners Wimbledon for goalkeeper Dave Beasant and centre half Andy Thorn, as well as Hearts talisman John Robertson. Despite this, a Newcastle side without Paul Gascoigne sunk like a stone, finishing rock bottom of the table. The only bright spot of the season for them came at Anfield when they surprisingly took all three points against reigning champions Liverpool at the start of October, however sacked manager Willie McFaul a week later. By the following January, new boss Jim Smith had sold both Dave Beasant and John Robertson from McFaul’s final batch of signings, with Beasant joining promotion chasing Chelsea in the second tier and Robertson returning to Hearts.

On visiting St James’s Park in November that year, Arsenal walked away with all three points courtesy of a goal from Steve Bould. It would be another four years before Newcastle returned back to the top flight, again Kevin Keegan (inactive in football since retiring eight years prior) would be involved, appointed in February 1992 to replace former Spurs hero Osvaldo Ardiles and saving the Magpies from a drop to the third tier of English Football. With funds provided by Sir John Hall, Keegan built a side which secured promotion back to the top flight at the end of the 1992/93 season.

Arsenal’s first fixture back at St. James’s Park after a five and a half year gap came at the very end of the 1993/94 season just days after Arsenal secured the European Cup Winners Cup. Here, Newcastle United players and the Toon Army give Arsenal the Guard of Honour, though the Magpies would inflict a 0-2 defeat on the Gunners to take third place in the Premiership above Arsenal with goals from Highbury reject Andy Cole and Peter Beardsley, who returned back to St. James’s Park after a spell with both Merseyside clubs. Ten months on, another Peter Beardsley goal would inflict a 0-1 defeat on Arsenal at St. James’s Park.

By the time of Newcastle’s third season in the Premiership, Keegan had built a side ready to challenge for the title. On 2nd January 1996, the Magpies made it three defeats of Arsenal in a row at St. James’s Park with goals from David Ginola and Les Ferdinand, which brought a twelve point lead ahead of Manchester United at the top of the Premiership. However come the following May the Magpies had capitulated, leading to a Manchester United double and Keegan’s famous post-match meltdown on Sky Sports after a hard fought win over Leeds United during their title run in. The following season, an Arsenal side reduced to ten men after Tony Adams’s dismissal finally scored their first win at St. James’s Park during the Premiership era with goals from Lee Dixon and Ian Wright.

The screening of the 1996/97 Newcastle away fixture on the big screens at Highbury was the subject of John Perlman’s ’When Saturday Comes’ article. This screening was obviously a forerunner to the modern day regular away match screenings in the club level and Perlman rather prophetically states: ‘As it is, football tickets – certainly in the Premiership – are unaffordable for many people who used to watch every game they could. Who knows what it will be like in 10 years’ time? Suites and suits and seats for people able to afford ever-soaring ticket prices, big screens for the rest, the package jazzed up with an ersatz match atmosphere to make it more appealing? Lots more money for everyone – but not too much more of mine’. With several pubs in the North London area on a weekly basis, picking up the game just up the road on foreign satellite channels and viewed by a fan base that no longer can afford the steep modern admission prices, the reality is not far off what Perlman predicted.

Five weeks after Arsenal’s victory at St. James’s Park, Kevin Keegan would shock the football world by walking out on the Geordie faithful. Keegan’s replacement was to be Kenny Dalglish, who ironically replaced him on the pitch at Liverpool twenty years earlier. Arsenal would secure a second win at St. James’s in a row at the end of that calendar year, an Ian Wright goal securing all three points. After losing two finals to Newcastle while challenging for a League and Cup double, Arsenal secured this feat for the second time in their history with a 2-0 win over their traditional Wembley bogie side the following May. While unsuccessfully challenging to become the first side to win back to back doubles, Arsenal would drop two points at St. James’s Park in a 1-1 draw with the Magpies, now managed by Ruud Gullit.

Arsenal would suffer their first defeat at St. James’s Park for four years with a 2-4 defeat from a Newcastle side revitalised by Bobby Robson's appointment as manager. Arsenal had already secured the runners up spot and rested several first teamers, three days prior to their ill-fated UEFA Cup Final appearance against Galatasary, which the Turkish side had won on penalties. Among the Arsenal scorers at St. James’s Park that day were Nwankwo Kanu and Stefan Malz. Exactly twelve months on, Arsenal and Newcastle would play out a 0-0 draw with second place already secured and the Arsenal side suffering from the hangover of the FA Cup Final defeat to Liverpool just three days prior.

The 2001/02 season would be a more fruitful endeavour for the Arsenal, who would inflict a 2-0 defeat on Newcastle. Among the goals was as a sublime opener from Dennis Bergkamp, followed by a Sol Campbell header just ahead of half time. A week later Arsenal would meet Newcastle again at St. James’s Park in the FA Cup Quarter Final, a tie which ended in a draw with Arsenal progressing with a win at Highbury in the replay two weeks later. Two draws between Newcastle and Arsenal would following during the next couple of seasons at St. James’s Park, with a 1-1 draw in February 2003 and a 0-0 draw on Easter Sunday of 2004 as Arsenal closed in on the title, which they would secure two weeks later at White Hart Lane.

Arsenal would be back to winning ways at St. James’s Park the following December, in what was their final fixture of that sublime calendar year for the Gunners, with a 1-0 win secured by a Patrick Vieira goal ahead of half time. The 2005/06 season however would see a much less consistent Arsenal side, who succumbed to a late Nobby Solano goal at St James’s Park in early December. In the latter half of the noughties it’s fair to say that Arsenal suffered a relative decline in fortunes, however a harder time was experienced on Tyneside with even Kevin Keegan’s third coming not enough to halt their slump.

Keegan returned for a nine month spell in 2008, though walked out on St. James’s Park for a second time full of condemnation for Newcastle owner Mike Ashley for not providing him with the funds to break into the coveted top four. Newcastle were relegated to the second tier on the last day of the 2008/09 season, on their way down suffering a 3-1 defeat at the hands of Arsenal at St. James’s Park in March with goals from Bendtner, Diaby and Samir Nasri. Newcastle however would return to the Premiership after just one year as Champions of the second tier.

Arsenal’s return to St. James’s Park would come in the fourth round of the League Cup at the end of October 2010, bringing a 4-0 victory with two goals from Theo Walcott, Nic Bendtner and a Tim Krul own goal. A little over three months later it would seem that Arsenal were heading for a repeat score line after racing into a four goal lead at half time with goals from Theo Walcott, Johann Djourou and two for Robin Van Persie. The second half capitulation to a Joey Barton-inspired Newcastle side however would pass into Premiership folklore, as Arsenal’s 2010/11 title challenge would de-rail spectacularly, with Newcastle drawing level and unlucky not to take all three points come full time.

For the opening fixture of the 2011/12 season Arsenal would again return to St. James’s Park, however they would play out an uninspiring goalless draw, the only thing of note being Gervinho’s red card on his debut after an altercation with Joey Barton. Just two weeks on from this, Arsenal would suffer the infamous 2-8 hammering at Old Trafford. Arsenal’s next visit to St. James’s Park however would secure Champions League football on the final day of the 2012/13 season with a 1-0 win with a Laurent Koscielny. Famously, an Alan Sugar tweet would wrongly inform Spurs fans that Newcastle had equalised up at St. James’s Park leading to delirium in the stands at White Hart Lane. The following season, the final game of the calendar year in 2013 saw Arsenal triumph again by the same score line with a second half goal from Olivier Giroud.

It’s been a while since a Newcastle-Arsenal game at St. James’s Park was a top of the table clash, however last season’s Under 21 meeting between the two sides was just that. Arsenal ran out 2-1 winners, with Alex Iwobi and a late header from Austin Lipman. However neither side would take the Under 21’s title, with Arsenal finishing thirteen points behind eventual champions Middlesbrough and Newcastle even further behind in 6th place. A month later, with the first team, Arsenal were to succeed at St. James’s Park by the same score line with two goals from Olivier Giroud taking his total against Newcastle to eight goals in just six games.

This Saturday will be the first Newcastle United v Arsenal fixture of the Steve McClaren era. History however doesn't seem to be on McClaren's side. Aside from Middlesbrough's League Cup Semi Final victory over a second string Arsenal side in 2003/04 in both legs, McClaren has only enjoyed one other victory - a 1-2 defeat for the Gunners at the Riverside in September 2005. There had also been some big victories for Arsenal in that time, beating Boro 4-0 away in McClaren's first game in charge in August 2001, as well as a 7-0 victory for Arsenal at Highbury toward the end of McClaren's reign in 2006. Newcastle have also failed to beat Arsenal at St. James's Park since 2005.

Steve McClaren is of course, also famed for carrying out an interview ahead of a Champions League qualifier against Arsenal back in 2008 in English but with a Dutch accent. The defence of McClaren had been that though he's speaking to a foreign journalist who speaks English, English regional accents are difficult for foreign ears to understand. However, one wonders whether McClaren will adopt a Geordie accent next time he's before Newcastle's local press?

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  1. mbg

    Aug 30, 2015, 14:45 #74957

    jj, yes and to think some wengerites were moaning and complaining about man yoo and chavs doing exactly that to our little technicians, as usual it's alright if our players do it, but woebetide any one does it against their messiah's dwarfs.

  2. jjetplane

    Aug 30, 2015, 11:12 #74938

    You tell 'em Jamerson, the Clockender hailing from an impressive shed in the region of Thaddeus. Do you wear red and white sandals with that Samsung toga?

  3. clockender

    Aug 30, 2015, 8:45 #74920

    The goals will definitely come and when they do the rest had better beware.Do we need another striker?Certainly not.If I was Arsene I wouldn't bow down to these glory trailers who think signings are the only way forward,yet spend most of their time firing their pistols in the air and worshiping managers and players from other teams.I would happily accept winning nothing if it meant these whiners buggered off to Man City or one of the big two Spanish money machines where they can all melt together into their fake portraits.

  4. Edmund

    Aug 30, 2015, 3:22 #74919

    Joel Campbell at least made the bench. If we sign Charlie Austin, I'd start to think AW has calmed down and stopped trying to 'buy the title' as the big spender at the Bridge claims. Haha.

  5. jjetplane

    Aug 30, 2015, 0:11 #74918

    mgb he sure does not sound like someone who is enjoying their 'own goal/bought ref' football for the highest prices in Europe. Wenger is laughing all the way to Grouch Stan's ranch while Olly wonders how could a barn door be so small. Never mind - Theo with his millions is bound to pay back with 25 goals at least .... Even funnier with Le Coq earning a quick rep for play acting - has to be the new fake Arsenal way. Pretty bubbles in the air. Ar three pound to get in with a quid for a prog you much be one rich man Colsey. Ever thought of going to the opera for a bit of Verdi? least you are guaranteed a score for your fifty pound notes .... onwards and over your head ....

  6. mbg

    Aug 29, 2015, 22:54 #74917

    I see Maureen stayed behind and instead of a handshake gave his opposition manager a hug, now can you imagine our sore loser doing that under the same circumstances? he'd have been skulking away down the tunnel with barely more than a tap on the hand.

  7. jjetplane

    Aug 29, 2015, 22:41 #74916

    I'm not the mug wasting money on imitation Arsenal. Shows what a gooner you are ....

  8. jjetplane

    Aug 29, 2015, 21:45 #74915

    Sunny enough I was at a real good game of football today. When was the last tome you ever went to one? Nearest you get to one is coming on here after Arsene's misfiring bunch of soft boys bribe the ref and get another own goal for the 'most watchable team in Europe' If you think Wenger's sides are still playing decentt football you really have forgotten what football is about. Enjoy your armchair - it's all you have ....

  9. A Cornish Gooner

    Aug 29, 2015, 20:30 #74914

    Sorry. I was referring to Arsene Wenger. Obviously.

  10. A Cornish Gooner

    Aug 29, 2015, 20:19 #74913

    JJ. 79143 Yes you're right. It seems the arrogant, stubborn old fool is getting desperate. All a bit sad really.

  11. mbg

    Aug 29, 2015, 20:18 #74912

    Hiccup, your right there, and Trevor Francis will become as hated as Mourinho and Gary Neville.

  12. Hiccup

    Aug 29, 2015, 20:00 #74911

    John, did Gary Neville write that article? It sounds like the work of someone taking the p!ss out of arsenal who has an hidden agenda. Mag, I hope there are no Forest or Villa fans reading this. We'll be booted down to the 6th most successful club to qualify to win nothing if they get involved!

  13. mbg

    Aug 29, 2015, 19:11 #74910

    Hiccup, not Notts Forest though, what ever division their in now.

  14. John Gage

    Aug 29, 2015, 19:11 #74909

    @ Hiccup: I am actually in complete agreement with you. The statement "Arsenal are the most successful team never to win Champions League" (with regard to the number of times it has qualified) is from the Daily Mirror article, it does NOT reflect my personal opinion of "success". I also don't agree with Mr Kroenke's idea of success either. Like you, my idea of success for Arsenal is to win Premiership titles and European Championships. The point I was trying to make is that because Mr Kroenke does not share this view, he is happy to keep Arsene Wenger as Arsenal's coach instead of going for someone more ambitious.

  15. jjetplane

    Aug 29, 2015, 18:42 #74908

    Pardew shows again how much better he is than Wenger. His team are quicker, more direct and better to watch. Same goes for Bournemoth and as for the Hammers - they know how to beat teams who think they are better than they are. Was that really hard man Coq spending the game trying to get players booked. Carries on like that and Chelski will buy next summer. That is the area Wenger is best alert to. May the circus continue and let's not rule out a Citeh implosion to complete the circus. You cannot beat the AKBs for singing from their armchairs - how weird is that?

  16. jeff wright

    Aug 29, 2015, 18:23 #74907

    I never count chickens and all that Westie but I will be surprised if Ladbrokes are not paying out on City come May. Anyway, I'm off out with the wife to a dinner party later and off abroad on Tuesday for a fortnight so no more posts from me for awhile - I leave though for now buoyed by the knowledge that we are the most successful side to never win the European Cup - smashing great great ... the most successful one to win less points against the other top 4 opponents last season ... the most successful side to never win the League in the last ten years or the League Cup under Arsene ever . You couldn't make it up.

  17. Smithy

    Aug 29, 2015, 18:13 #74906

    Oh my god do we need a proper forward!

  18. Hiccup

    Aug 29, 2015, 17:55 #74905

    @john, to be fair, cornish does have a point. If we take away the 3 most successful English CL clubs, then yes, we are the next 'most' successful English club. Or another way of putting it, the 4th 'most' successful English club in CL history. Yes, we do have s superior record to Spurs, Leeds, City and Newcastle who have also flirted in this tournament. I do get your point about how different people view success, and if our goal is to finish 4th for the CL money, then fair enough. I don't have a problem with that. I just don't view that as success from a footballing point of view. There are those on here that think it's one hell of an achievement, and good for them. However, because I and others don't swing from the trees with the same level of euphoria, it is viewed as treachery. A small price to pay though, for living in the real world.

  19. mbg

    Aug 29, 2015, 17:48 #74904

    There you have it then, it's been confirmed, everything's rosey in the garden of arsene again.

  20. It's a results game - ask Jose!

    Aug 29, 2015, 17:34 #74903

    OG is our leading goalscorer so far this season, but who cares? Three points in the bag! Scousers lost at home to the hammers by one more goal than we did! And they lost at home to Bournemouth! Get in!!!

  21. Westlower

    Aug 29, 2015, 17:11 #74902

    Will Gary Neville's analysis confirm if Maureen stayed behind to shake the hand of every Palace player? @Jeff, Your bet is looking good with Citeh now 1/2 with Arsenal & CFC both at 5/1. Liverpool now 50/1.

  22. clockender

    Aug 29, 2015, 17:07 #74901

    Now the Mourinho statue has been tossed in the skip,will the disgruntles now be congregating around while firing AK47's in the air a portrait of Pellegrini?

  23. A Cornish Gooner

    Aug 29, 2015, 17:02 #74900

    Hiccup. I think it's Arsenal are the most successful PL team from North London beginning with the letter 'A' never to have won the CL. JG. Agreed. My definition of success and your understanding of Mr Kroenke's definition of success are different.

  24. Westlower

    Aug 29, 2015, 16:55 #74899

    Sacked in the morning, you'll be sacked in the morning, oh Maureen we luv u. Sacked in the morning, you'll be sacked in the morning, oh Brendan we luv u.........

  25. mbg

    Aug 29, 2015, 16:37 #74898

    jw, didn't see the game mate, BT not working properly (router fine though)not that I was to worried mind, so will have to wait for MOTD for highlights and usual ramblings from all concerned, not surprised to hear about wally though probably trying to think of what he was going to say in his interview after scoring that put him off, glad to hear, and see we kept our nerve.

  26. John Gage

    Aug 29, 2015, 16:28 #74897

    @Hiccup: If I'm not mistaken the article is talking about Premiership Clubs. When it talks about "success" what it actually means is the number of times the club has "SUCCESSFULLY" QUALIFIED for the Champions League. In this context Man Utd has qualified 19 times, the most of any Premiership Club, winning the Champions League twice, and Arsenal had qualified 17 times and has never won it.

  27. Hiccup

    Aug 29, 2015, 16:17 #74896

    To be honest, even this stat that arsenal are the most successful team never to win the CL is incorrect. Valencia have been in two finals, which is better than arsenal's one.

  28. John Gage

    Aug 29, 2015, 16:12 #74895

    @A Cornish Gooner: What I'm trying to argue is that your definition of "success" may not be what Mr Kroenke is after. Your definition of "success" is winning trophies, preferably Championships and European Cups. Mr Abramovich shares the same objective, that is why Chelsea has won 15 trophies. Mr Kroenke's definition of "success" is largely financial, in this case qualifying for the Champions League helps his cause. What you want and what he wants for Arsenal are two completely different things.

  29. clockender

    Aug 29, 2015, 15:59 #74894

    If the definition of Chelsea is to have fun then why do they always play such dour un fun football..

  30. jeff wright

    Aug 29, 2015, 15:58 #74893

    All Wenger,s European Record proves is that he lacks the tactical nous to win the trophies at that level. You don't meet Wigan and Reading in semi finals. There is no such thing as true lies or successful losers either

  31. A Cornish Gooner

    Aug 29, 2015, 15:57 #74892

    John Gage. I understood your point. In the Champions League we are the most successful failures? But so what. What I am suggesting is that a section in any record book showing 'the most successful to not have won something' is not where I want to see Arsenal's name.

  32. Westlower

    Aug 29, 2015, 15:41 #74891

    Time to replace Cazorla with Ramsey in the centre alongside Coq & let Ozil play ahead of them behind the striker. Ox disappointed today but we need to persevere with him. Gabriel & Kos could be our best pairing at CB.

  33. Arseneknewbest

    Aug 29, 2015, 15:07 #74890

    Westlower - your comments say more about the Arsenal's deficiencies than you probably intended there. The truth is that we should mash a team like that, esp. when they're down to ten men. Just heard that oaf McLaren's comments about the red card - he should have used that England umbrella to get rid of one of the STDs that clearly addled his brain all those years ago. Alan Shearer and Biffa Bacon will be most upset....

  34. A Cornish Gooner

    Aug 29, 2015, 15:05 #74889

    John Gage. Thanks very much for that, but where does 'the most successful team to never to have won the Champions League' appear in any record books?

  35. Wear Your Colours

    Aug 29, 2015, 14:55 #74888

    Laboured performance. Great to get three-points. Good start to the week-end. COYG!

  36. Westlower

    Aug 29, 2015, 14:53 #74887

    As comfortable a win as we're likely to get in the PL. McClaren paid the price for sending his players out to get in the faces of the opposition. 6 yellows + 1 red, English coaching at its pub team best. MOTM - Coq.

  37. John Gage

    Aug 29, 2015, 14:52 #74886

    There have been a lot of criticisms of Arsene Wenger on this board but is this entirely fair? Roman Abramovich was asked if buying Chelsea was about making money, he responded: "No, it's not about making money...it's really about having fun, and that means success and TROPHIES" So for Mr Abramovich Chelsea's definition of "success" is winning trophies. Now, I haven't heard a similar statement from Mr Kroenke but if his objective is to make money and to keep Arsenal in the Champions League then arguably Arsene Wenger has achieved enormous success. Arsenal is the second most valuable club in the Premier League boasting a worth of 1 billion pounds and it has qualified for the Champions League for 17 consecutive seasons. If that is Arsenal's criteria of success then why change the coach or invest in new players? The squad you have at the moment is more than capable of qualifying for the Champions League again and in fact Arsenal is the most successful team to never to have won the Champions League.

  38. A Cornish Gooner

    Aug 29, 2015, 14:26 #74885

    Alsace. Yes. o.g.(2) O.G.(1)

  39. Alsace

    Aug 29, 2015, 14:20 #74884

    Are own goals our top scorer this season? I think that they are. Two cheers for Arsene Wenger. The prison sentence that keeps on being extended.

  40. jjetplane

    Aug 29, 2015, 14:20 #74883

    Baddie you are in a army of one like your mate Colsey. Everyone likes RON's posts because they are an education in football matters. Do not see anyone saying the same of any of your posts. I'm afraid you are suffering cyber jealousy and now it's public. Westie needs to keep his distance from you if he is to survive the season. Personally, I love your posts although perhaps not in the way you would wish people did. It's just a little platform CHUM ps Arsenal again with the ref on their side and an own goal to boot. is this a new direction for Arsene in the same way winning the FA Cup has become ..... Truly boring Arsene.

  41. jeff wright

    Aug 29, 2015, 13:43 #74882

    After my talking up Wally mbg to be MOTM he only goes and fluffs his lines with the goal gaping before him .So far a very poor possesion no cutting edge typical Wenger tippy-tappy passing (yawn) display against 10 men .Hopefully things will improve in the second period - they have to !Even then you need to be a super duper optimist to see this side ending up as champs come May. More likely to be chumps judged on their performances so far this term.

  42. mbg

    Aug 29, 2015, 12:58 #74881

    jw, thanks for those gloriously typed words, no need for another rebuke of a half wit now, (and not too hard to know who he is I didn't know he was the jealous type) your right none of us hate wenger but of course those that follow blindly and are so deeply in love with their hero can't see that, such is their devotion. Yes a win today will have them all out of the wood work and everything will be rosy in the garden of arsene again and we'll be ready to go.

  43. mbg

    Aug 29, 2015, 12:11 #74880

    Spot on comment from merse if the Special One would have been manager of Arsenal we'd have won the prem at least twice by now, i'd have said three times myself, and at least once with any other manager.

  44. jeff wright

    Aug 29, 2015, 11:59 #74879

    Hey lover boy I don't hate Wenger dumdums I just think he is deluded and past his time. If anyone has a weird fixation with someone that that is you and the other AKB's regarding your love affair with the odd cold man from Alsace . If Arsene was out on a boating lake rowing away going to nowhere the announcement over the PA system to 'come in your time is up' to him would have been made long ago . Instead Stan,for fear of financial implications, is allowing Arrogant Arsene to keep rowing blithely on and on in his little boat going around and around in ever decreasing circles on a lake of mediocrity . A win today will be greeted again as proof that everything is great under Arsene and those nasty results that keep bobbing up from under the placid waters are just accidents .If Arsene wins the Capital Cup after 20 years of failing to do so will this be progress >? I will avoid mentioning the European one... ( yawn)

  45. Smithy

    Aug 29, 2015, 8:59 #74878

    I hope Walcott and the Ox play today. Also rein Adelaide as a wild card! We need speed today but not a walking statue with gel in its stone hair!3

  46. Westlower

    Aug 29, 2015, 8:42 #74877

    The times they are a changing. The average size of the front four at Citeh is 5ft 7.5in, Man U 5ft 9in & CFC 5ft 9in are smaller than their Arsenal counterparts at 5ft 11in. Speed & technique replacing the battering rams? Now we read Pogba is demanding a 5year wage deal of £82.5m + £72m transfer fee + agent fees £10m? That financial deal to join CFC is double Wengers wage. One is 1/25th of a squad & the other runs most aspects of AFC. Go figure. How long before the first billion pound deal happens? Madness!!!

  47. Danny

    Aug 28, 2015, 23:33 #74876

    Looks like our idiotic coach is making excuses in not buying players When is this guy going to leave?

  48. jeff wright

    Aug 28, 2015, 23:17 #74875

    mg,I'm thinking that Wally will make a belated contribution he has often done well at St James's and with Internationals coming up will want to impress Woy and Gary Neville ! Lightweights,what lightweights... cue another OTT post - match interview with Wally droning on in his own inimitable manner ... City will slip up they have to play us twice... well you know the rest after all we have heard it all before... many times ...

  49. jeff wright T

    Aug 28, 2015, 23:02 #74874

    Tbh, Exeter, I think that Henry was trying to be diplomatic he did not look very convincing when saying it.Henry was caught between a rock and a hard place and was desperately trying to avoid having to agree with Neville's astute assessment of Wenger's short-comings. Now the fact is,facts being of course something that AKB's avoid like Dracula does crosses, that Wenger used to play 4-4-2 with big physical players in his sides .So if he had this 'belief' in Spanish style football there was no sign of it during his time at Highbury . He only 'discovered' tippy tappy after signing Fabregas and set out to build a team playing it around him. Unfortunately the Spaniard decided after it became obvious that Arsene had no real idea of playing tika-taka and should have stuck to 4-4-2 that if he was going to play it then he might as well join the masters of it and went back to join Messi and co at Barca .Why eat corn-beef when you can have steak. Wenger is a copy cat he has always been one he doesn't have some sacred belief in the way the game should be played this is complete tosh .He built a squad of mainly small technical lightweight footballers to play tippy-tappy and now he is stuck with it . Henry and others trying desperately to suggest that it is all down to some sort of belief in the way the game should be played is just more excuse making for Arsene. Well done Gary Nev for telling the truth about Wenger and his inept management.

  50. mbg

    Aug 28, 2015, 22:54 #74873

    jw, yes it's definitely a win tomorrow (even though the same was said against the hammers)i'm going for a 0-2 although if it's 0-4 with fifteen to go lets hope we can hold our nerve. Ron, 79115, yes, You really couldn't make it up.

  51. Exeter Gunner

    Aug 28, 2015, 22:31 #74872

    Interesting to see the term 'hold your nerve' used by an AKB after a week in which we've seen a complete meltdown from them in the face of a bit of public criticism of their man. The other alternative to a man who believes in his team and methods is one who believes in other methods. Henry said "It's belief". Neville replied "It's unfounded belief".

  52. jeff wright

    Aug 28, 2015, 22:20 #74871

    whoops! looks like my post to Problems was deleted (slaps wrist) must reiterate though that calling someone a Dinosaur for their beliefs was not coined by some hack on The Sun the paper that Problems reads and believes did coin it. On then to tomorrow's game with the fog on the tyne Newkie Brown bar-codes as with the Palace one away it should be more suitable for Arsene's tippy-tappy approach to flourish with no parked buses getting in the way . So then I go for us to win or to get a draw .A draw will be like losing though in reality after the two recent home game results. Fingers crossed then for a win. Hopefully if we are 4-0 up we can hang on... to what we got .... Away an' up em !

  53. mbg

    Aug 28, 2015, 21:57 #74869

    Gary, we know you weren't been disrespectful to our old man, i'm sure your mum and dad brought you up to respect the elderly, but you see over here we have fans called AKB's, or wengerites, sometimes called Moonies (although they are getting scarcer by the day) who think wenger can do no wrong, and who stick religiously to their 11th commandment, thou must not critise the/their messiah, and expect everyone else to also even when he's an embarrassment, why even when you and your mates left him and our club the laughing stock of Europe after stuffing us 2-8 they were still singing there's only one arsene, (and there's plenty other examples) although thankfully that has ceased now. The fact is they didn't like it one little bit when you spoke your mind and indeed told the truth especially from someone so successful in the game as yourself (just the same way that successful manager of Chelsea did some time ago, they were up in arms about that too even though he also told the truth) something the majority of us fans have been saying and thinking for years now, (and I expect, even themselves) and they have tried but tried quite miserably since to say it was wrong and use it as a weapon against others and an excuse to defend their hero, so thanks Gary for telling the truth and having the balls to say it like it is and not giving a damm who you offend it's very refreshing indeed, and it's always good to see this arrogant over the hill manager of ours getting his ego blunted, as they say in my part of the country may your giving arm never fail.

  54. Ron

    Aug 28, 2015, 21:13 #74868

    Tough one to figure that de Bruyne thing Westie. It is madness as you say. Hes the image of my Nephew. Have to keep blinking!! Heading for the M5/M42/M1 and upwards for Corbridge in a short while. Just as mad Westie are these early KO s. Theyre really not nice. Hoping bank hol traffic gone. A draw will be a result there tomrw. Chinese area in the toon after game. Nice City the Toon have to say.

  55. Westlower

    Aug 28, 2015, 21:00 #74867

    Can someone tell me why Kevin de Bruyne is worth £55m + £10m a year wages. Have I missed something? Is this the guy who made 3 appearances in 3 years for Chelsea? What's happened since? Yet another £100m package bought on Middle East oil money. Where is it all going to end? Tell me Gary, tell me! Enjoy the match tomorrow Ron.

  56. Ron

    Aug 28, 2015, 20:09 #74866

    Westlower - what worries me is that you genuinely believe that rubbish which youve just posted. If you were posting it after a yr, two yrs into Wengers reign the weakness of yr comments wouldn't so evident, you d have credibility and the reasoning could be applauded. As it is, after a decade of Wengers repeated bad judgment yr comments wreak of being so blindly imbued by Wengerism that youve forgotten what reality is. Your more blinkered by Wenger than anybody is who you accuse of being media blinded. Carry on protecting yr egg, blaming the media for eveything inc the middle east crisis if you want too, but you're truly sounding sillier and more desperate with every passing post. You ought to have grown out of hero worship 60 years ago.

  57. jjetplane

    Aug 28, 2015, 19:55 #74865

    That is 'holding your nerve' for a decade or more as though Arsenal have ever really gone for it during this last decade. They are talking Arsenal on 5 Live and concluded Arsene wants Barca type football but does not have the players of that calibre. Nearest he has is Sanchez who was surplus to requirements at Barca as Ozil was to RM. I guess where things get perverse is Arsene loses the service of RVP (banging the goals in again) and Nasri and even Sagna looking towards potentially great seasons. None of these players were surplus to and therein lies the rub. Arsenal may have a bigger staduim and global ambitions on the scale of a lesser Man Utd but they have not firlded a team yo match such Mediated assertions. we can talk about the media and even Westie's read The Telegraph but when the press are not rewarding half effort on the field they are only doing their job. If you want a sterilised commentary on the stae of the club look no further than the Clubs own TV. That will give you the language you wish to hear but discrediting others for looking further afield smacks of the Naivete Gary Neville touched on. Ps I used to live in Gateshead and there is a confidence that Arsenal will win tomorrow. I doubt Newcastle will but if they can manage a draw at OT and they well hold their own in the morning. Me - I'm off to see Arundel in the FA Cup after a morning's work. Way hay man!

  58. Westlower

    Aug 28, 2015, 19:24 #74864

    Mark from Aylesbury, Winners are invariably over-hyped, such is the nature of the media, especially if it's a team that's universally liked. Sometimes the difference between winners & losers is a cigarette papers width. For better or worse we have a manager who believes in his team & his methods. The alternative to that is a manager you doesn't believe in either. To take criticism from all and sundry but retain your own self believe is the mark of a brave man. Lesser men would park the bus and sign whoever is in vogue to buy an easy ride from the media & disillusioned supporters. The media needs fresh news and new faces, stability & consistency doesn't provide them with the copy they seek. Hold your nerve and let the man get on with managing his own way.

  59. Mark from aylesbury

    Aug 28, 2015, 19:11 #74862

    Sorry had a copy and paste disaster on previous email. Read telegraph for original

  60. 1971 Gooner

    Aug 28, 2015, 16:26 #74859

    My best Arsenal/Newcastle memory, narrowly beating Dennis' goal and of course McLaren's brilliant Durch accent, is the signing of Supermac in 1976. He was 26 years old, at his peak and was our top scorer for the two seasons he wore the red and white of Arsenal. The price was interesting as well - £333,333.33; more than a hint of the Suarez £40,000,000.01 which shows that despite his faults Terry Neill was in some respects ahead of his time. What a pity his career was cut short by injury - him and Frank were a great partnership for the short time it lasted. Finally, can you imagine Giroud running the 100 metres in just over 10 seconds as Supermac did on Superstars? I think not.

  61. Platitude Problem

    Aug 28, 2015, 16:14 #74858

    I don't make a point about Wenger because I'm not actually that interested in the subject personally. I find it tediously boring (bit like you really). And you refer to Corbyn as a dinosaur - couldn't think of your own insult so you borrowed The Sun's again.

  62. jeff wright

    Aug 28, 2015, 14:29 #74856

    Surprise surprise... Problems doesn't have a point about Arsene's problems of not winning titles with tippy - tappy midgets ..no apparently this is just platitudes that are made up in newspapers ... along with Jeremy Corbyn is a dinosdaur ... now who would ever have thought that... you couldn't make it up.

  63. Exeter Gunner

    Aug 28, 2015, 13:49 #74855

    jeff - funny you should mention Corbyn, going to hear him speak here in Exeter this evening. What a breathe of fresh air in British politics he is. Indeed, parallels can be made between the need for change from the stale established order at AFC and in the UK more widely. Sounds like you'd only agree on the former.

  64. Charlie George Orwell

    Aug 28, 2015, 13:48 #74854

    Well done Robert, another terrific job. Watching Bergkamps magnificent goal still makes the hair rise on the back of my neck.

  65. jeff wright

    Aug 28, 2015, 13:43 #74853

    What you say Ron about the club's Stalinist policies toward supporters with views other than the official party line ones doesn't surprise me .It's obvious also that the AGM's are about as popular with the regime at AFC as Jeremy Corbyn becoming PRime-minister is with the British public . Fortunately the public can vote to prevent that whereas the AFC AGM's have to be reluctantly, for Stan and co that is, held . No doubt the usual gerrymandering and spin doctoring will be employed again by Ivan and the current mouthpiece for Stan the Old Etonian Chairman Chips to try and claim that everything is going well .Will Stan get another few million for having provided financial advice >? If so that will look rather odd given what Wenger claimed a few weeks back that the club is losing money . How he arrives at that conclusion however is a matter for debate. The next club accounts should make for interesting reading .

  66. Ron

    Aug 28, 2015, 13:26 #74852

    Westie - yes, if GG hadnt have fallen due to the bung scandal he d have eventually fallen due to his team in time. Ive always had the view that some of the clutch of players you mention were there only as a direct result of his pre occupation with his brown envelopes, so the two facets are inextricably linked aren't they. He was a fool as you say. GG could well have been our Fergie. Pity the others for whom he took the fall for weren't exposed though too. Not high profile enough (at the time) or dead though weren't they. Some are still there, dressed up as good 'successful' coaches, dishing out 'wisdom' on the TV in between jobs after sackings. We know who they are.

  67. jeff wright

    Aug 28, 2015, 13:20 #74851

    Problem Boy,Wenger didn't go unbeaten all season ,he went unbeaten only in the league - we lost games in the LC, FAC and in the European Cup ,or in your deluded little world don't these defeats count- the unbeaten run in the league was for longer than a season anyway dopey - 49 games to be exact . If you are going to make a statement then at least try and make some sense with it .Anyway ,sunbeam Arsene did not go unbeaten for 49 games playing tippy-tappy football with midgets - so just exactly what is your point then >?

  68. Hiccup

    Aug 28, 2015, 13:16 #74850

    So now wenger is refusing to play tomorrow's game, unless BT draft Bob Wilson in as a pundit. You couldn't make this up!

  69. Ron

    Aug 28, 2015, 13:14 #74849

    Jeff - it wont be allowed if the membership/box office have anything to do with it. You mention Maoism in jest, yet speaking as one who for 7 years was administratively involved in 2 of our official supporters Clubs i can tell you with certainty that Stalinism is nearer to the mark at the Club. If you had a spare day or two i could inform you of the way in which AFC stymies and silences its members using the blunt instruments of season ticket suspensions, bans and culls yet the victim is often oblivious and astonished at the allegations they lay at his/her door and there's no fixed appeal system vs the penalties handed down. To use yr oft mentioned quote 'you couldnt make it up', well, you could Jeff and they do ....as they go along! Its a disgrace and those who fall into its abyss walk away more often than not not only with a sense of arbitrarily imposed kangeroo court 'justice' but also an inherent dislike for the Club.

  70. Westlower

    Aug 28, 2015, 13:13 #74848

    @Ron, Was there enough pace out wide to be considered a well balanced team? Looking back through GG's reign away at Newcastle he won the first 3 encounters 2-1, 1-0, 1-0. Newcastle were relegated in 88/89 & we didn't play them again until 93/94 when we lost 0-2. GG had been sacked before we lost 0-1 in 94/95. Hillier, Hellder, Jensen, McGoldrick, Selley & Morrow were fixtures in GG's teams in his final years. For that alone he deserved the sack after having the world at his fingertips a few years earlier.

  71. Platitude Problem

    Aug 28, 2015, 13:04 #74846

    Wally Walnutt - correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Wenger's finest hour was going a whole season unbeaten.

  72. mbg

    Aug 28, 2015, 12:54 #74844

    WABATTD, i'm surprised it wasn't the referee mate, on any other day we'd be told it was and there'd be no need for a post card..

  73. jeff wright

    Aug 28, 2015, 12:44 #74842

    It's only a matter of time before that plane in the sky with ... Arsene Au Revoir Et Bonne Chance...! on it appears over a stadium during a live game... will it be allowed to be seen though on TV - or is that banned as well.. it really is Chairnam Mao and thought police time at AFC under arrogant Arsene's regime now days.

  74. mbg

    Aug 28, 2015, 12:40 #74841

    It has been a long time since this club received a guard of honour and it'll be a long while before it receives another while we have a past it manager at the helm, although we still know what their about having gave plenty of them over the last ten years, and it's good to be reminded on the 4-4 second half capitulation, and of course the 2-8 no word of the bouncing on the pitch as we'd won something though as they did happen.

  75. Westlower

    Aug 28, 2015, 12:36 #74840

    @Ron, The point was raised by Wear Your Colours who stated we had lost at St James three years running, not a one off that you suggest. I highlighted what a strong team we took there in 96. Maybe they'd spent too long in the Bigg Market the night before as they were a boozy team back then?

  76. Ron

    Aug 28, 2015, 12:16 #74837

    Westie - is yr point one that says a team is never supposed to lose a game despite being a balanced team in most respects? Or is it one that says because such a team once lost a game there is absolutely no merit in having such a balanced team? Or, is just a point that because that team had the temerity to actually lose a game that it supports the view that Arsene Wenger is never to be questioned due be being omnipresent and onnicompetent? Or could it be that yr point is a non point and that you just fancied typing a load of old bollox?

  77. WENGER MUST GO ASAP(MARCUS)

    Aug 28, 2015, 12:15 #74836

    This club has become a dictatorship!! What a joke!! I just rang the box office number to ask whether I could bring in a banner reading, it's time to go!! Apparently it's not allowed as it will cause distress lool, I than asked whether a banner praising Wenger would be allowed and he said probably Loool. I then asked whether it would be allowed into away grounds and they said I had to ask them so I did just ring up Newcastle and they role me it won't be allowed and gave me the same reason!! That it would cause infighting and distress and upset some other fans. I told him that we live in a democracy right?? Folks have different opinions!! I then told him how cone Newcastle fans always bring in masks and banners when they are losing etc. He said they have now changed their policy apparently looool. So I asked him when Newcastle are losing as they usually have poor seasons and their fans are calling for Mclaren to be gone would those banners be allowed he said no lool. I said ok I'm recording this call as when Newcastle do have a their usual losing steak and the fans bring the banners and face masks in l, I will ring in and ask you whether you where lying or plain following arsenal policies!! It's like a dictatorship! You can't criticise the man OUR GREAT LEADER!! It's disgusting. We live in the UK last time I checked. I even told the man on the arsenal phone that I know for a fact if you work for arsenal and criticise Wenger you will lose your job!! It's a joke and shows you the power this man has!! Pay the highest ticket prices in Europe to watch giroud and co smh and can't criticise the toad by bringing in a banner!! Gary Neville did a very good job, he went full in on that fool. He has tried to rebut it but it's been comical watching him try and rebut Neville's comments lool. Anyone with sense no wenger has no come back to what Neville said. Henry looked like a fool calling it believe. Neville replied with that it is mistaken belief as it does not work lool. It was tv gold

  78. jeff wright

    Aug 28, 2015, 11:42 #74833

    The point about the tippy-tappy Wenger sides and the more physical ones prior to it is obviously floating over the heads of Badarse and Wesitie .This is due to their usual desperation to defend poor old Arsene from criticism that he has been proven wrong. The point in question is obviously that the physical sides won league titles and the tippy - tappy ones have never even managed to finish second in any campaign let alone first. Of course championship winning sides lose games again though it was the manner of the defeats that the non-winning ones playing tippy-tappy Wenger ball suffered - these as a matter of record are the worst in AFC European and League history .Good old Arsene.

  79. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Aug 28, 2015, 11:27 #74831

    Westlower post 79072: the problem that day wasn't the team, it may have been the manager Bruce Rioch. AFC were just starting a poor run of results - including a 3rd round FAC exit vs Sheffield Utd. Wimbledon were about to stuff us at home in the next game too. I believe there was discontent within the squad, let by that shrinking violet Ian Wright.

  80. Badarse

    Aug 28, 2015, 11:17 #74830

    Hiccup you may scoff, but I think the solution to this is the study of Feng Shui, the toothy footwear magnet from Barnsley. He said that there are eight life aspirations-getting AW ousted, a new DM, a new CB, new striker, returning to Highbury, reducing ticket prices, going back to the old badge, and removing Stan are the eight. Therefore there is no balance or opportunity to address the punditry poser. Feng says we need to eliminate corners, red should be in the south-so Moan U and Liverpool are not activating the sectors correctly. The south west should have KUN, which has nothing to do with Exeter or Cornish. In the south east we have small wood, which is a problem for the ladies, but nonetheless makes Feng joyous. 'The breath of the dragon'-or Savage's espousings, are confusing yin and yang because of his tresses; GN however is totally misconstruing Feng's water concept, by raising the level of his chalice and finding it empty, and therefore avoids straight lines in all he says. Anyway me old china, don't get covered in egg fu yeung.

  81. Westlower

    Aug 28, 2015, 11:12 #74829

    What's interesting about our 96 team who lost at Newcastle is they had everything some experts are screaming for in today's team. A top top GK, Seaman; an uncompromising defence, Dixon, Adams, Bould, Winterburn. A dominant captain in Tony Adams. A DM in Keown; Box to box midfielders in Platt & Parlour. The best number 10 ever in Bergkamp, Top top strikers in Merson & Wright & we lost 0-2. Answers & theories on what went wrong on a postcard or the back of a postage stamp please. Most of those who played that day have have their stint at punditry & I bet they know all the answers.

  82. Hiccup

    Aug 28, 2015, 10:10 #74827

    Looks like tomorrow's game is in jeopardy of going ahead. Northumberland police want the kick off putting back to 11am, as Paul Scholes has now been included in the BT line up. The game will be allowed to start, but one word out of line by any of the pundits, and the referee has been instructed to abandon the game. Let's hope after Monday night's fiasco, these Mancs can keep their gobs shut, and keep the level of upset to a minimum.

  83. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Aug 28, 2015, 9:39 #74824

    That "Highbury reject" Andy Cole didn't too bad for himself in the end did he. WYC: Newcastle under Keegan first time around were Media Darlings; a team who flattered to deceive with attacking football in busloads let down by poor defending. Hmmm that sounds familiar. They were hardly streets ahead of us; between 93 and 96 the league games W2 D0 L4 and we put them out of the League Cup too.

  84. Badarse

    Aug 28, 2015, 9:33 #74822

    Thank you once again Robert. Interesting that the team that day 24601 was a champion-winning side, imagine the stick they would have got for that defeat-sans Arsene. Went to the 7-0 Middlesbro' game. Remember my wife buying an immigrant/asylum seeker(?) lad a cuppa and an all-day brekkie before the game. I usually saved my pennies for the poor Sour who sat on the pavement outside the tube station with his tin cup-think it was Glen Hoddle.

  85. Westlower

    Aug 28, 2015, 9:13 #74820

    Our team in 95/96 that lost 0-2 at Newcastle was: Seaman, Dixon, Winterburn, Keown, Bould, Adams, Platt, Wright, Merson, Bergkamp, Parlour. Dickov & Clarke came on for Parlour & Bould. AFC finished 5th that season with 63 points. Man U were Champions with 82 points.

  86. Wear Your Colours

    Aug 28, 2015, 9:00 #74819

    Interesting to note that in the seasons 93/94; 94/95 and 95/96 Newcastle beat us at their place three times in succession. They were the ones chasing the title each season not Arsenal; they had a bigger stadium capacity than Highbury; they were making record signings and breaking the British transfer record in signing players like Shearer; They strengthened their squad in the transfer window when on top with exciting signings such as Asprilla. They didn't play tippy-tappy football but the much loved British version of pace and power. They were arguably streets ahead of Arsenal at the time. However in 1996, Le Prof arrived on these shores to start weaving his magic and the results between these two great clubs have been transformed. Hoping we get another victory tomorrow. COYG!