Harder than it should have been

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Harder than it should have been


Points are points are points, and there’s no question Chelsea would like some of those right now, to put doubts about Arsenal’s current play into perspective. One certainly could not criticize the team for their ability to create chances yesterday, although there are legitimate concerns about the finishing. I recall a lot of fans still had great faith is Wojciech Szczesny until his saves to shots ratio revealed he was not such a great shotstopper after all.

Yet, the statistics of late would suggest there is no reason to question starting Theo Walcott up front. 11 goals from his last 11 starts is what one would expect from the likes of Thierry Henry. Yet, he still frustrates many with his ability to miss sitters. He should have had a hat-trick yesterday. Olivier Giroud got in on the act by missing his own simple chance before showing Theo how to dispatch a header into the net.

The thing is, however badly Jose Mourinho’s team are playing, the visitors will not enjoy 29 attempts on goal next weekend, so need to be more clinical when opportunities arise.

Still, the early stages of yesterday’s match were a delight to watch if you were not overly concerned about conversions. Some of Arsenal’s play was fantastic, far more aggressive and purposeful than we have seen so far this season.

The team selection was interesting in that Gabriel maintained his place. And with a run of three clean sheets now, what reason to change a defence that seems to be functioning, even if Stoke were given a couple of opportunities that might have changed things on another day. I especially liked Gabriel’s physicality when being challenged roughly by Arnautovic, the thug that put paid to Mathieu Debuchy’s season last time the Potters came visiting. There is an aggressive spirit to the Brazilian’s play which is refreshing to see. There are too many nice guys in Arsenal’s ranks. Perhaps he could give some pointers to Mesut Ozil (unless the club choose to draft in Dennis Bergkamp to do similar).

On the subject of centre backs, I received this text message from Gooner contributor David Oudot after the game: ”Interesting things I noticed today. (1) Mertesacker was present, in full suit, on the seats behind the bench. He has well and truly been dropped (2) The club are advertising for people in HR on the club website. Is that necessary? I didn't think we had anyone coming in!”

Let’s see what happens in Zagreb. Whether the BFG’s organizational abilities will be more important than Gabriel’s greater pace and tenacity is an interesting dilemma for Arsene Wenger.

Stoke haven’t won at Arsenal since 1981, although in fairness they have been out of the top flight for many of the seasons since. A win was expected, and delivered. Jack Butland had a very good game in the Potters’ goal, and on the odd occasion at the new stadium, Arsenal have had such days against inspired keepers and failed to score. The saves I can live with, but some of the efforts that went wide were less pleasant viewing.

Third place is not a bad position after five games, but the points gap to Manchester City does not look so good. For what it’s worth, from the same five fixtures last season, the Gunners gained a maximum 15 points. Arsenal probably need to win at the Bridge next weekend if they are going to credibly mount a title challenge. I think we’d all agree the finishing will need to be better to do that.

* Thanks to Geoffrey Silman for a couple of the stats in this piece.

I am now on Twitter@KevinWhitcher01.

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  1. Mark from Aylesbury

    Sep 15, 2015, 18:07 #75745

    Sticking my neck out to say we will win. If only because the dire trend against Chelsea may be slowly coming to and end. A lot will depend on how much the Chelsea players would like, or at least expect a change of management. This game means more to Mourinho than anyone else. I wonder if he will ask his team to turn brutal

  2. Westlower

    Sep 15, 2015, 14:41 #75741

    @SKG I've been comparing the run up to the Chelsea game in 2004 with present. Feb 3rd 2004 lost 1-2 Middlesboro in LC but with a weakened team: Stack, Cygan, Toure, Keown, Clichy, Gilberto, Edu, Parlour, Kanu, Bentley, Ryan Smith, Owusu Aboyie, Jerome Thomas. We then went on a winning run: Feb 7th beat Wolves(A) 3-1; Feb 10th beat Southampton(H) 2-0; Feb 15th beat Chelsea(H) 2-1 in FA Cup; Feb 21st beat Chelsea(A) 2-1; Feb 24th beat Celta Vigo(A) 3-2; Feb 28th beat Charlton(H) 2-1. History teaches us that nothing changes with regard to a second string team representing us in the LC. @Ron. Chelsea are favourites at 6/4, draw 5/2, AFC 2/1. The bookies don't buy into all the hype surrounding their demise.

  3. Westlower

    Sep 15, 2015, 11:43 #75721

    @EG I did appreciate your tongue in cheek post & your humour was not lost on me. Here's another funny, the horse Youcouldntmakeitup runs at Catterick this afternoon wearing a tongue tie for the first time. Can you imagine Jeff wearing a tongue tie?

  4. Exeter Gunner

    Sep 15, 2015, 11:16 #75719

    Westlower - The last offering was supposed to be mildly humorous, however I'm old and experienced enough to see when someone is deliberately setting the bar low, and the reasons why they do so.

  5. Ron

    Sep 15, 2015, 11:07 #75717

    Which ever way we look at it SKG and Westie, our flat track bullies face a genuine school play ground bully on the week end and the flat trackers will be made favourites. for some daft reason. Do they really have Wengers oft proclaimed and fabled 'mental strengh' and 'dessirrre'. I doubt it. Chelsea will fancy taking them and what a filip for the vainest one, if he still beats Wenger when his team are on the floor. Its all the motivation he ll need and we can be sure the same thought pattern will be on Wengers mind. He must privately dread playing Chelsea as he s clearly done for many years when playing Utd. Wengers a choker and despite that invincible s team, he always has been.They were a top PL side no doubt, but the Gods shone a lot of luck on them in many of those 49 games for sure. Ad libbing by a few of the players got them out of so many holes in that run.

  6. jjetplane

    Sep 15, 2015, 11:02 #75716

    That's official then. The league Cup does not matter according to wESTIE who from his post is off down the lane with a weakened squad LoL! If Arsene is in the top 3 at Xmas I guess the FA Cup will be off the menu and the CL ..... Third will be like winning the PL when you think the team 'is still evolving' into exactly what? You should go to a few games WESTIE - you are now the Sermoniser/Teacher on here and apart from your silly stats your post are hot air mate. SKG runs rings around you ..... Anyway - about Leicester ....

  7. Seven Kings Gooner

    Sep 15, 2015, 10:03 #75714

    Westflower : OK lets concentrate on the Chelsea game - all Gooners default to season 2004 and so we should, it was an outstanding league campaign. However, had Chelsea beaten us twice that season, instead of us taking the spoils both games, Chelsea would have won the league by a point. You have to beat your rivals to win the title, (I know the Mancs have won titles not beating us in a season) but in general it is a no brainer, it's worth 12 points. Hence the fantastic modern achievement by Arsenal - anyway we have only played a few games, surely at the end of this spell we should at least be match fit! I really can't understand the argument - we are short of players to enter 4 competitions so we can only win the FA Cup or the League Cup - end of story!

  8. Westlower

    Sep 15, 2015, 9:58 #75713

    @EG We're both old enough & experienced enough to know it doesn't work like that. One game at a time is the tried and tested rationale. The golden rule is to set realistic & achievable targets. Confidence is built up gradually by successes along the way. 6 games over an 18 day period will force Wenger to prioritise in which games to play his strongest team. We'll probably take a second string team to the Lane as the LC is the least important competition. Of course being beaten by our neighbours will anger many but sometimes in life you have to consider the bigger picture. In terms of winning silverware this year the bookies consider our best chance is winning the PL at 11/2, then the FA Cup at 7/1, LC 10/1 & CL 20/1. To win a trophy is 6/4 (40% likely) and not to win a trophy is 1/2 (66.7% likely). Would I take not being beaten in our next 3 PL games? Damn right I would.

  9. Exeter Gunner

    Sep 15, 2015, 9:17 #75712

    Westlower's motivational speech: "Right lads, I know it's asking a lot, but I'm expecting 5 points from these next 3 games. Yes that's right,1 win and 2 draws! It can be done!! As for the season as a whole - and I'm really setting the bar high here - I'm looking for... 4th place! Yes that's right!! Believe in yourselves, you can do it!!!" The players are on their feet, punching the air, roaring their approval, fire in their eyes and bellies. Wenger sits quietly in the corner, smiling. At last, he has his new Tony Adams.

  10. Westlower

    Sep 15, 2015, 8:51 #75711

    @Ron, One of the perks to being a regular on the Newmarket gallops is occasionally you find yourself in the company of Michael Holding, who is great mates with top trainer Sir Michael Stoute. One can only imagine what it was like being on the receiving end of bouncers from Hall, Griffith, Roberts & Holding. Brian Close was sacked by Arsenal for being a late arrival after problems being released by Yorkshire cricket club. @SKG, Believe it or not my successful career was built on being able to motivate others, it's what I do best. Of course it would be wonderful to win every game but down here on planet earth such moments are rare indeed. You have to be realistic when there are so many variables involved. I can't think of many/any Arsenal teams in our glorious past that would come through the next 3 weeks completely unscathed. A stumble somewhere is more than likely to happen. @Bard, On your trips to Heaven to seek a new CF is there any chance Pearly Gates will come out of retirement as like Adebayor he's just hanging around all day doing sweet FA!

  11. The Reverend Alfonso

    Sep 15, 2015, 8:51 #75710

    Poor old Jose at Chelsea seems to be losing his marbles and going to the flesh in his outbursts. Arsene Wenger as usual like those who support him seems well in control and showing why a cool head keeps everyone happy and you in a job.

  12. Ron

    Sep 14, 2015, 21:48 #75709

    Thats a surprise Westie re Close. He d have been ok in centre midfield!He was a warrior. Recall the tests in 76 when they brought him back in his 40s i think he was and he got battered by the Roberts and Holding artillery and Co. Brave bloke. I d like to see some of these modern footballers stand 22 yrds away and take guard to a fast bowler. They d run a mile. I can reliably inform that its bad enough even in junior cricket!! ha.

  13. Seven Kings Gooner

    Sep 14, 2015, 21:31 #75708

    Westflower : The fixture list is not a surprise that you are presented with at the start of every week, it is given to the clubs well in advance of the start of the season. If you are one of the richest clubs in the world you prepare well in advance, with sufficient playing staff in the key positions. Then when you play a game every 3 days you have enough quality to rotate and compete 100% in every game. However when your squad is not strong enough, as you rightly say, you end up being pleased with 5 points instead of nine. The Arsenal I would like to remember would have gathered around their captain and dared anyone to suggest dropping any points was acceptable but as you think 4th place is success I suppose 5 points from three matches will keep Arsenal above the mid table provincial teams. Westflower, may I suggest that you never get involved with running any motivational courses, it is clearly not your bag!

  14. Westlower

    Sep 14, 2015, 21:03 #75707

    @SKG I love your definition of real progress. Simply win away at Chelsea & Leicester and at home to Man U. But just to make it more of a test play 2 CL games & a visit to the Lane before each of the PL games. Even the most extreme WOB would call that progress. In reality the bookies odds of Arsenal winning all 3 PL games is 12/1 or a 7.7% chance of doing so. Flipping it around the bookies reckon it's 92.3% likely that Arsenal will fail to win all 3 fixtures. I reckon 5 points would be real progress considering they'll be playing 6 games in 18 days.

  15. Seven Kings Gooner

    Sep 14, 2015, 18:56 #75706

    Ron : So right about the Chelsea game - if Arsenal get 7 points from the next three games that would be good, 9 points and I would consider that real progress. However, while we have an adequate squad when all players are fit, the stand out players in key positions are missing and none more so than the striker.

  16. Westlower

    Sep 14, 2015, 18:05 #75705

    @Ron I had no idea that England & Yorkshire cricket captain Brian Close had been on Arsenal's books 1950-52. He was there at the same time as the other great cricketers Arthur Milton & Denis Compton. Sportsman were greater all rounders & made of tougher stuff back then. R.I.P Brian.

  17. Arseneknewbest

    Sep 14, 2015, 17:57 #75704

    Ron - I agree with your earlier post about the chelski game being one of the most crucial matches OGL has faced in recent times. If he cannot beat them under these circumstances, then it is unlikely he will ever do so. Nevertheless, I feel strangely pessimistic about our chances this weekend. It was interesting to hear the grim faced portugeezer say with some assurance post-everton that his team will beat Arsenal. He evidently feels more capable of motivating and preparing his team for our visit to the wastelands of SW london than he probably does other teams. I wonder why that is. OGL has the chance to put the khybosh on maureen's second stint in England, but will he grasp the nettle?

  18. mbg

    Sep 14, 2015, 16:27 #75703

    Bard, immortals you say? they must have one hell (pardon the pun)of a medical department up there, a better one than there is down here under TOF, but I doubt very much even if wally and the carthorse were still living in 400 years time they'd be any better.

  19. mbg

    Sep 14, 2015, 16:03 #75702

    Tony Evans, it doesn't matter if we score, we're creating the chances and looking good, that what matters to/for some, that's good enough for them it makes everything alright.

  20. mbg

    Sep 14, 2015, 15:40 #75701

    And only if we could win trophies and honors on stats, ratios, creativeness, averages, we'd have some haul by now.

  21. rON

    Sep 14, 2015, 15:36 #75700

    Not surprised Westie. Has one man ever spent so much, so often on so many garbage players? It looks like a Club in free fall now. Suspect Klopp might end up there.

  22. Westlower

    Sep 14, 2015, 15:11 #75699

    Brendan Rodgers is the new favourite to be the next manager to lose his job. As short as 6/4 with Paddy Power, 7/4 with Coral & Hills.

  23. Ron

    Sep 14, 2015, 14:46 #75698

    The striker debate is artificial. Wally and Giroud wont lead an attack to the title/CL. Arsenal aren't winning ether the title or the CL anyway so the debate's pointless as well as artificial. Anybody with a modicum of footie knowledge knows this. Dont compare stats. Compare instead the identities of the players whove played as the main striker/s for the respective teams with Wally and Giroud and ask yself if they compare. The answer is a resounding No.

  24. Peter Wain

    Sep 14, 2015, 14:43 #75697

    As we are travelling a long way this week I think it would be a big surprise if we win on Saturday. A draw is the bets we can hope for I think.

  25. Bard

    Sep 14, 2015, 14:42 #75696

    I write to you from on high. I am diligently searching for the striker from heaven that fans so want according to the Boss. Its a tricky business I can tell you. The main problem I am coming across is not a football related one but a transport issue. How do they get back up here at the end of the season ? Its a reasonable question given how good life is up here and how bad the transport system is. I can see exactly why the fans want one of these immortals, they have an uncanny ability to ghost into space unnoticed. I did have a good chat with Peter who told me to a very relevant story about following false gods. He said he had heard of a group at the club called the AKBs who, he said, were very misguided in their beliefs. Im flying back in time for the Euro clash on Wednesday hopefully with a deal for a striker in the bag.

  26. Joe S.

    Sep 14, 2015, 14:32 #75695

    Lets face it,the performance against Stoke was Arsenal's best since the FA Cup final,however it also showed up the pitfalls that might await with having those two as our main striking force. Had Stoke got one back on the counter it would have been bedlam in Arsene Land. Which is a shame really because this competition is there for the taking, regardless of City's perfect start.It also demonstrates that although Ozil may not be Bergkamp,he is the only player at Arsenal who comes close. Nothing wrong with Carzola either.

  27. Westlower

    Sep 14, 2015, 14:15 #75694

    @Reality Cech, The other side of the argument is the number of goals conceded. In the last 10 years the Champions have averaged letting in 30.5 goals & Arsenal much higher at 38. Last seasons total of 36 conceded was the best since 2007/08 when we let in 31.

  28. Tony Evans

    Sep 14, 2015, 13:12 #75693

    DJ - strikers not good but, as you say, the midfield balance is all wrong too and yet Wenger doesn't seem to care as long as he can play all his favourites at once.

  29. Reality Cech

    Sep 14, 2015, 13:10 #75692

    Proving that you can prove any thing with stats; Average goals scored by the Premier League Champions over the past 10 years is 84 goals. Past 10 years; 73 goals, 102, 86, 93, 78, 103, 68, 80, 83, 72. Our 5 in 5 games so far this season, simply not good enough ratio to win the league, Even a ratio of 2 per game would only outscore 3 of the previous 10 champions. Good enough for 3rd or 4th though.

  30. Gaz

    Sep 14, 2015, 13:03 #75691

    Hi Ron. I'm never very confident when we play a side that needs a confidence booster as we're usually the most helpful of sides in such situations!!!...

  31. DJ

    Sep 14, 2015, 12:52 #75690

    All this talk of our lack of strikers the real problem is Wenger trying to shoehorn Ramsey/Ozil/Carzola into two positions. Ramsey is as much a right winger as Jeremy Corbyn (How’s that for satire?) and The Ox should be playing in that position while he stays fit. It’s alright playing all his favourites but to break down better teams than Stoke we need a better shape.

  32. Tony Evans

    Sep 14, 2015, 12:36 #75689

    Do we even practice how to put the ball in to the back of the net in training, or is it 100% focused on tippy tappy and never mind anything else! Granted our strikers are not of the prolific variety but even Wally and Olly should have both bagged a brace on Saturday. OK it didn't matter against the likes of Stoke but against better teams (starting this Saturday) it damn well will and Wenger's lack of investment in the team may start to show big time. Talking of the game at the Bridge it would be a great time to rub Mourinho's nose in the dirt but, as Ron says, I bet we fail to turn up as usual.

  33. Exeter Gunner

    Sep 14, 2015, 12:13 #75688

    colesyboy, that isn't a contradiction to my point, it is a point in addition, i.e. you are now going into possible reasons why competitors are doing worse than before. This CL performance table is interesting though. I had thought there was already a functioning performance indicator in place called 'How far you go in the competition' but now we have one that tells us that a team that hasn't gone beyond the Round of 16 in 5 years is the 5th best team.

  34. Ron

    Sep 14, 2015, 11:47 #75687

    Hi Gaz - but how confident will you be in Wenger and the team going to Stamford Bridge and adding to Chelsea s woes? Its perhaps the most interesting Chelsea v Arse game for years. My feeling is that Chelsea will be well up for it and it could even 'start' their Season. Its a bit like that feeling when we went to OT to play Utd against Moyes team. Wenger and the team wimped out that day against a poor Utd team big style. I expect some thing like the same again to be honest. A scratchy draw at best.

  35. Westlower

    Sep 14, 2015, 11:44 #75686

    Arsenal's next 3 PL games will have a significant bearing on the title race, CFC (A), Leicester (A), Man U (H). Up-dated bookies odds on the PL: Citeh 2-5; AFC 11/2; Man U 14/1; CFC 16/1; L'pool 100/1.

  36. Gaz

    Sep 14, 2015, 11:23 #75685

    Some great football played as usual but boy oh boy are we wasteful in front of goal! Glad to see both our strikers score (and Theo's goal was class) but you can't get away from the fact a better striker would be scoring at least two or three goals in these games and probably well over thirty goals in a season. Anyway these are the kind of games we've regularly won over the last ten years so there's nothing really new to learn from it. This Saturday is totally different of course and I hope we take the chance to add to the pressure Mourinho is under. Hell if we give them a good tonking he could even get the sack so if that's not enough of an incentive I don't know what is!!!...

  37. goonercolesyboy

    Sep 14, 2015, 11:20 #75684

    How about teams are now better equipped to take points of each other so point tallies are higher for the lower teams, as a contradiction to the last point. All depends on your perspective I guess.

  38. Exeter Gunner

    Sep 14, 2015, 11:00 #75683

    Westlower - if you do less well over a season than the season before, i.e. accrue less points from your results, then if follows if you finish higher in the league it's due to others doing worse than before. That's not my 'take', that's just fact.

  39. Westlower

    Sep 14, 2015, 10:41 #75682

    @Arseneknewbest, It's not my cack, as the CL performance tables were published in today's Racing Post. Points awarded on the basis; winner 1 pt, runner up 2 pts, semi-finalists 3.5 pts; quarter finalists 6.5 pts; last 16 12.5 pts. Arsenal have made the last 16 in all the 12 years under review. Does it make you uncomfortable when the media cast Arsenal in a positive way? @EG, Interesting that your take on Arsenal's improved league position is solely down to other teams regression. Should Citeh or Arsenal win the title this season, is it only because Chelsea have regressed under the egotistical Maureen?

  40. Exeter Gunner

    Sep 14, 2015, 10:02 #75681

    Westlower - given AFC accrued less points last year than the year before (though finished a position higher due to the greater decline of teams around them) this goal ratio doesn't seem too reliable an indicator of improvement. Let's not select out stats to try and kid ourselves there is some season on season improvement. The reality is AFC have been bobbing around the same level for the past decade.

  41. Arseneknewbest

    Sep 14, 2015, 9:48 #75680

    Westlower - I see you cannot shake off that predilection for selective/distorted statistics. Perhaps you might also like to add a wee stat about how those positions actually translated into trophies for your false idols at Arsenal PLC. No, thought you wouldn't. Come on mate, raise your game a bit - this cack is too easily seen through.

  42. goonercolesyboy

    Sep 14, 2015, 9:11 #75679

    Clean sheet, comfortable victory against a team we often struggle with even at home, although their record here is awful. Still creating chances which is a positive even if we should have scored more than two. There is something about opposition keepers who play out of their skin here, we could have been six up by half time.

  43. Westlower

    Sep 14, 2015, 8:35 #75678

    The elite clubs average finishing position 2003/04 to 2014/15 in Champions League: 1. Barcelona 4.5; 2. Bayern Munich 6.3; 3. Chelsea 7.4; 4. Real Madrid 8.0; 5. ARSENAL 9.4; 6. Lyon 9.5; 7. Man U 9.8; 8. PSG 11.0; 9. Atletico Madrid 11.4; 10. Juventus 11.9. CL record by Country 2003/04 to 2014/15: 1. ENGLAND 9.9; 2. Spain 10.6; 3. Germany 12.7; 4. Italy 12.7; 5. France 15.1.

  44. mbg

    Sep 13, 2015, 23:41 #75677

    Jimmy Balantyne, that makes it all right then. Bard while your up there if you run into Bob Paisley tell him the scousers are still living in the past and have yet another manager who doesn't know his arse from his elbow.

  45. I like a lot of teams

    Sep 13, 2015, 22:44 #75676

    jj, mate who is the next flavour of the month? Are you sure you're not a kid who supports whoever is doing best at the time apart from Man City?

  46. jjetplane

    Sep 13, 2015, 20:49 #75675

    We need to be more like Leicester. Ranieri talks about 'the speeret' but he sounds convincing with it ....

  47. Let's give Steve Walford a run out for the last 10 minutes....

    Sep 13, 2015, 20:14 #75674

    It's not a sense of entitlement Jimmy (80037). It's the belief that with the resources we have we ought to be doing better. We left Highbury to compete, or so we were told, and we pay the highest ticket prices in world football. Excuses are found for the manager every year by some. First we didn't have the money and now we do apparently there aren't any players to buy. If 3rd or 4th playing tippy tippy keep ball is the limit of your ambition then good luck to you but most of us on here want us to be the best that we can possibly be and don't believe Wenger is the man to deliver. And by the way, if you think the football that the current side play is "out of this world" then I can only conclude that you were unlucky enough to have not seen the 90/91 title winning side. Pace, power, aggression, goals galore and the best defence that English football has ever seen. Truly "out of this world".

  48. Bard

    Sep 13, 2015, 20:08 #75673

    Have watched the game again and it was nothing short of a massacre or at least it would have been if we had a decent striker. I thought we played more long balls than we usually do and it opened the game up. We also played with a better tempo than the usual tippy tappy. Gabriel looks a proper defender and has the pace to match that allows us to push up a little higher than with Per. Roll on Chelsea. Im back on the early morning flight to the Pearly Gates tomorrow. Ive had an email from Nat Lofthouse who is keen to come down and play for us. He said he watched the game on extraterrestrial Tv and reckons he could score 40 goals a season blindfold with the service he would be getting. I would write more but the missus is on the rampage.

  49. Danny

    Sep 13, 2015, 20:01 #75672

    Did anyone see Anthony Martial's goal against Liverpool. Reminisce of a certain Henry type goal. This guy will be a superstar with pace We could have got him earlier in the window with less money!

  50. Jimmy Balantyne

    Sep 13, 2015, 19:49 #75671

    They need to convert more that's obvious but some of the football they play is out of this world. It may not win them the PL or CL but it's fantastic to watch. Not really sure what people find to moan about to be honest. The 30's aside, Arsenal have never dominated English football in the manner that Liverpool or United have. So I'm not sure where this sense of entitlement stems from. Unless, that is, it's people who don't know their arse from their elbow?

  51. Danny

    Sep 13, 2015, 19:06 #75670

    The win looked good against a average Stoke team. However the game against Chelsea will not be easy. The game will be decided by the best tactical coach which is Maureen by a mile. Wenger does not win against the better teams, because he screws it up by his stupid non tactics and most importantly selection. Let see what happens and hopefully bring back majority of the AKB deluded fans back to earth.

  52. Westlower

    Sep 13, 2015, 18:57 #75668

    @EG With the creative talent we've got in the team there's every reason to believe we'll beat our 10 year highest score of 83, which would put us firmly in contention. I would expect a tally of 71 to be the least this team can achieve, with or without a big time Charlie. A more accurate indicator is a goal ratio of goals scored against goals conceded. Any ratio above 2:1 puts a team well in contention to win the title. Chelsea averaged 2.3:1 last year. Citeh averaged 2.7:1 in 13/14. Man U averaged exactly 2:1 in 12/13. Citeh 3.2:1 in 11/12. Arsenal averaged 1.97:1 last year, up from 1.66:1 the year before.

  53. DW Thomas

    Sep 13, 2015, 18:55 #75667

    Walcott is Wengers pet project within his pet projects. He probably should have sold him by now, but he keeps giving him chances to come good. On his day Theo can be a game changer, but it's too infrequent. Ox must start each game. He is more dynamic and intelligent than Theo, and better than Giroud save for headers. Teams are scared of him. Was very disappointed to hear Jack is out again. I take him over Ramsey any day, and I don't mind Aaron. He just doesn't do enough for all his game time. Love to see Jack feeding Ox and/or Theo. Coq and Gabriel must continue starting. Great we now have Debuchey on the bench as a top replacement. Surprised Bellerin keeping his place. Guess speed and results are extending his time in the first team. As far as needing a top scorer, every team competing to win does. The best teams have two top guys. We have two that together would add up to one. Maybe that's why the excitement I used to feel has eroded to apathy and almost indifference. Every year we are just short. But hey, money's in the bank!

  54. Exeter Gunner

    Sep 13, 2015, 17:22 #75666

    It's not either/or between a 'big time Charlie' and sharing around the team. You can have a high scorer and others chipping in. Another AKB false dichotomy. Where have these average goals per season got us on average? 4th. 'Signing up' for more of the same says it all...

  55. mbg

    Sep 13, 2015, 17:17 #75665

    If only it was possible to win honours on chances created alone, as long as the powers that be then wouldn't get together and limit teams to only four chances each to make sure Arsenal don't win it, or as far as wally and the carthorse are concerned they wouldn't have to.

  56. Westlower

    Sep 13, 2015, 17:13 #75664

    The good news about our missing a hat-full of chances so far this season is that over the past 10 years we averaged 71 goals per season. 68, 63, 74, 68, 83, 72, 74, 72, 68, 71. With only 5 goals in the bag we are set fair to score another 66 in 33 games. Even if we don't improve on previous seasons I'll sign up for an average of 2 goals per game for here on in. How will the 71 goals be shared? Giroud 14, Alexis 14, Theo 14, Ramsey 6, Ox 6, Cazorla 4, Ozil 4, Welbeck 2, JW 2, Kos 1, Gabriel 1, Own goals 3. Better to share the goals throughout the team than rely exclusively on a 'big time Charlie.'

  57. The Reverend Alfonso

    Sep 13, 2015, 15:41 #75663

    After watching Kane this afternoon he reminded me of Lee Chapman at Arsenal in the eighties.I think Giroud and Walcott are both effective players and if playing for other teams we would want them at Arsenal.Finsbury Joe are you really a gunners fan....

  58. CT Gooner

    Sep 13, 2015, 15:16 #75662

    Good to see Santi having a great game yesterday, especially with his distribution. Oz il is really winding me up though. Some of the give and goes are great, but I just don't see him creating his own goals, start AOC for me, I don't care how much they cost. As for goals, we just have to hope we give are current forwards enough chances, as neither is what we need. 140k a week for Theo, they're really taking the piss!!!

  59. Wenger Out Now

    Sep 13, 2015, 15:13 #75661

    WestLower-No we are saying an Arsenal CF should be scoring 30 goals a season with the chances we create(30 shots yesterday).Remember RVP got 37 in his last season.Walcott and Giroud will never get that many between them.They are just not ruthless enough.Some of the finishing yesterday was diabolical.

  60. Arseneknewbest

    Sep 13, 2015, 15:08 #75660

    Bard - welcome back - you did the right thing to put life before club in this case if you ask me. If it's any consolation, I have to do my posting surreptitiously between my other half's rantings. But she's a cardiff fan so what does she know? You'll be amazed to hear that you missed nothing of note. Beating Hughes and the wrestlers of stoke is always a pleasure but boy did TW miss some chances...

  61. Alsace

    Sep 13, 2015, 14:22 #75659

    I was both bored and exasperated by this one. Walcott's finish for his goal was Wright like, but the rest of his play was dismal. I'm so pleased that Alan Shearer said what he did. No one could dislike Theo, but he needs to be the recipient of some genuine jeopardy. Wenger's inability to use substitutes on time and correctly remains a thorn in our side. Even if you don't choose to start Giroud, and I would, not starting Chamberlain is bonkers. He is easily our best attacking player. Giving him 8 minutes every game to sort out the usual mess will just drive him away. Some big tests are coming up and although the opposition get worse every season, we never manage to take the task by the scruff of the neck and get business done. Cech is a huge plus as is our new central defender.

  62. Bard

    Sep 13, 2015, 13:38 #75658

    morning gooners and disciples. I have had a compulsory absence imposed on me by the missus. It was presented as 'either me or the gooner'. I decided to take a defensive position. I have taken the opportunity to see if I can find a striker. The boss was on about Strikers dropping from heaven as there arent any in Europe. Anyway I took a midweek flight to the pearly gates to see what gives and had an interesting chat with Ted Drake who was keen to come back down but anxious about his fitness. I tried De Stefano but as you would expect his wages were a stumbling block. I left a note for Eusebio and am waiting for a reply. Enjoyed yesterday and am pleased that our chances to goals ratio came down to 29 chances and 2 goals. It will be interesting to see how many we create against Chelsea.

  63. Arseneknewbest

    Sep 13, 2015, 13:36 #75657

    Oooh Finsbury, I see what you've done there. Hilarious. To continue with your very weak allusion, that means pochettino and levy are like tories, i.e. austerity driven misanthropes who protect their rich friends' investments. Blimey mate that's all sooo funny. Here's hoping that well known Gooner J Defoe puts one over on the lillywhites this afternoon to continue your inspiring start to the season. It's almost reassuring to know there's an even worse run club out there with fewer effective strikers than we have.

  64. Finsbury Joe

    Sep 13, 2015, 13:16 #75656

    why are there so many mad deluded frauds charge of UK institutions? Maybe Wenger and Corbyn should do a job swap, doubt if anyone would notice in terms of performance of the Labour Party or Arsenal FC, though the latter might get more out of Theo and Ozil and the former could implement socialist wage structures thought the land.....on everyone but himself ,in the true style of the socialist elite.

  65. mbg

    Sep 13, 2015, 12:51 #75655

    They're always harder than they should be Ed, everyone and everything is with this old fraud off a manager in charge with his out dated philosophies tactics/lack off. Yes points are points and we have three more on our way to third or fourth against super stoke who like you say haven't won at Arsenal since 81 (if only we could have always played them at home) it's a pity we hadn't the same aggressive spirit as Gabriel then, although i'd expect TOF will soon coach that out of him. Up to third and three points closer to our real goal of fourth place so nothing to get excited about yet,(although that won't stop some)although it helps the chavs are in a mini meltdown although but that could soon end.

  66. jjetplane

    Sep 13, 2015, 12:44 #75654

    Nice lad playing nice Wengerball. People are losing interest in this decade old 'evolving project.' It's a worn out cliche talking of Arsene's teams playing fantastic football. Pretty much summed up when you see Ozil in the area and all he wants to do his pass again. The perfect Wenger storm remains a distant rumble. people are moving on and all eyes are on the likes of Kane and Martial. As Mike Collins was saying there is no anger in the football of Giroud or Theo and even more telling when they score cause it is all selfie mode with little self passion. Sums up the last empty decade. Soft to the last touch.

  67. Westlower

    Sep 13, 2015, 12:11 #75653

    While we all agree Theo should be more ruthless with his finishing let's let's put some perspective on his performances. In season 2013/14 he underwent abdominal surgery at the end of August & didn't play again until late November. He scored 2 goals v Man City & West Ham before rupturing his anterior cruciate ligament in the 2-0 FA Cup victory over Spurs on Jan 4th 2014. He didn't play again until November 2014, starting only 4 games, scoring in 3 of those before scoring the opening goal in the Cup Final. He needs a run of games & his sharpness/finishing will improve further. How many strikers score 11 goals from 11 starts. Are we saying he should have scored 22 or 33 from 11 starts, whoever in the PL achieved that?

  68. jjetplane

    Sep 13, 2015, 11:09 #75652

    And there you have it from the Red Armchair. A team is evolving. Chelsea are hilarious at the moment though JM will be desperate to win that one. A loss will kill the season for them and he will walk before he is kicked out. should be a level playing field psychologically and you would think Chelsea will be at it before the kick off. Gabriel is doing well but why can Wenger not get someone up front and in the middle to compete more tenaciously. Olly, Wally and Ozil are nice enough lads but so far none have proved themselves in a big match. Will they ever or will the complacency lead to a virtual PL (for some people0 if Arsene holds onto 2 0r 3 placing. Stoke I think are going through a mini revolution to try and become a footballing side once again. I wish them all the luck and the Pl is a funny business when a Sunday game featuring the Foxes makes for a general alert. Go Leicester! Not to be naughty here but Arsene's neck is amazingly old. Arsene's inverted apple. Mourinho looked like he has slept out for a week - fantastic! I actually hope Arsene wins next week and as with the Chelsea case, a loser will really look like damaged goods.

  69. Wear Your Colurs

    Sep 13, 2015, 11:00 #75651

    We played very well and looked quite solid. We really do need to become more ruthless in our finishing and not just Theo and Ollie. Both Ozil and Ramsey had fantastic chances they should have put away. Good to get the first home win on the board. COYG!

  70. Mike Collins

    Sep 13, 2015, 10:54 #75650

    Spot on, Kev, as usual. We chiselled a win against the bottom club and made far heavier work of it than necessary. Ozil's passing is sublime but it'd be great to see a touch of Gabriel's or Coquelin's aggression in him. For once I agreed with Alan Shearer on Match of the Day when he said Walcott looks as if he doesn't lose sleep when he misses sitters. You need to care a bit more, as Thierry and Ian did (and Shearer himself come to that). So, three points against the bottom team - I wonder what we can do against the worst one. We'll see on Saturday.

  71. Westlower

    Sep 13, 2015, 10:02 #75649

    Many teams struggle to create goal scoring opportunities but this current Arsenal team do it for fun. It's inconceivable that we won't score a shed load of goals this season. Theo & Giroud are a great contrast, each covering the strengths & weaknesses of the other. Using one or other from the bench seems a good solution. It poses the oppositions defence different questions with Theo's pace v Giroud's hold up play & heading ability. With Ozil playing them in there's no reason why they both can't score plenty of goals this season. Alexis is looking sharper & his efforts wont always hit the woodwork. Coq & Gabriel add bite and a well balanced side is evolving.

  72. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Sep 13, 2015, 9:34 #75648

    Watched game on Snf on sky. Good to see lots of chances but we know about the striker situation anyway. SNF had old misery Trevor Francis cocommentating, he still hates us just because we beat Sheffield weds twice in the cup finals.

  73. Eddie

    Sep 13, 2015, 9:02 #75647

    Those 11 starts are over a two year period not a two month period.Against Newcastle and Stoke Wally missed SIX sitters.Not half chances stonewall Sitters.It will cost us in the long run

  74. Paulo75

    Sep 13, 2015, 8:58 #75646

    Next weekend will be interesting as both teams really need the 3 points after City's late winner yesterday. So many times against Chelsea we concede the first goal then come up against a brick wall. Time for Arsene and the team to show a bit of tactical nous and put what chances come their way in the back of the net. Mourinho and co up against it just now so lets not give them them any encouragement.

  75. Mathew

    Sep 13, 2015, 8:57 #75645

    Gooners, don't be bemused with a win against Stoke, converting 2 from 29 chances wasn't a top quality for me. Dinamo is firing in all cylinders, so wont be an easy away game. A win against Chelsea looks realistically impossible, although their defense is in shambles, but can certainly prove a catalyst towards our title challenges, similar to the Man City win last year.

  76. mikeymike2711

    Sep 13, 2015, 8:47 #75644

    Relatively calm 90mins yesterday. Even though it was just a 1 goal lead, never felt that our win was in real threat. But the 2nd goal was welcome - although not to the bloke next to me. He bet £20 with his mate that Giroud wouldn't score, early in the game, and went to the loo just before that free kick! Good win to start a very trappy month.

  77. Richard

    Sep 13, 2015, 8:41 #75643

    City struggled yesterday and against a strong palace side. We had chances galore against Stoke and were poor in finishing but that will improve. Chelsea will always have a goal threat, yet at the moment defensively they are a shambles and can only improve on that. I would take a point against them but believe if we keep the game tight for first half an hour the bridge will quiet down and we can come away with the three points because at this point this Chelsea team are bereft of one important thing and that is confidence and a draw or loss for them will put them out of title race and make a top four finish hard.

  78. Wobert

    Sep 13, 2015, 8:25 #75642

    Win at the bridge next weekend. LOL